2023, one year later and that has not happened! In fact they are doing better than ever with an AMD for pre order and a 16in laptop with a modular gpu and deck on the way.
@@michaelscott5284 calling it just gpu slot is kind ofu nderselling that part, i personally plan on getting the 16in once my current one dies and cassualy swaping between the gpu and battery module depending on the current need, the fact the battery packs are supposed to be hotswappable would be another bonus
@@najlitarvan921 honeslty the 16 inch is just too good to be true, hopefully they keep on continuing to build stuff like this and won't die like other modular laptop companies
@@marcdave9521 ya, i really hope they do, i wonder if oled will come in the future and touch screen for those who like those another thing i personally hope they make is a black touchpad for the 16in
@@miscl_anon Not really; humans exaggerated for centuries.... Framework is just so good that being honest is works Framework is working at an angle that nobody else is...
@@TheDeathmail i mean that framework is only "good" bc they provide a product that has demanded for a while. if everybody offered easily repairable technology, framework wouldn't be any special in that regard. it's only bc everyone else is anti-consumer, that someone who's pro-consumer stands out
Yeah! That's so important for me. I refuse to get a laptop with a cringy logo, like the newer Lenovo Legion's "Y" logo and the Razers "whatever the F that is" logo
@@iau I don't know if that's sarcasm or not, but you'd be surprised how many people buy stuff for the logo. Why do you think people buy Apple? For the components? Maybe some, but most buy it because it's Apple, and with its simple and instantly recognizable logo, they can carry it like a bling.
And one year later, we have the preorder option for 12th gen and even AMD Ryzen 7x40. On top of that they plan for cases for old mainboards so you can turn your upgrade into an upgrade with an optional small form factor pc on the side. A 16" laptop with switchable gpu-options is coming too. Framework should get an 11/10 at this point, these guys ROCK!
I agree. I want a discrete GPU and and AMD cpu. Problem is the chassis will probably need to be bigger and then they'll need a way better cooler than they have now. Then they need more SKUs and everything gets complicated. Still, the idea is great. If we could get to the point where you really could DIY your own laptop I'd be very interested.
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I suspect that a larger laptop will be their second product, assuming enough people buy this first product for the company to reach that point. Laptops aren't one size fits all; that would be a good extension of the line. It would be nice if the GPU could be put on a separate card so that you could upgrade the CPU and the GPU separately, and so people who don't need the dedicated GPU could buy a configuration without it. Getting enough cooling for a discrete GPU is going to require a bigger system; the current chassis just isn't built for it. I would also like to see Alder Lake and Ryzen 6000 motherboard options for the original Framework. Ryzen will likely have to wait for Ryzen 6000 because previous generations don't have Thunderbolt support, which means that the video output modules might not work fully. Those new motherboards would be suitable for a 2022 product refresh.
@@diddymies it clearly shows that it was never the intention to creat better hardware but hardware that must be replaced to make more money sooner. I have a surface book. It's a genuinely genius peace of hardware but it's glued shut from all sides. No chance of replacing anything.
I think the soldered on USB C ports is ok because the blocks have to plug in straight because they have a guide and they lock. This means there is no wobble to tugging to damage the ports and if they do loosen the locks will make them stay in.
Lois Rossmann also first was picking about the soldered ports but also came to the conclusion that the sliding of the modules shouldnt put to much stress on them.
@@hansmaulwurf8027 esp since they look like there's a small track, so most of the force would get taken up by the chassis of the laptop, which Linus has said is super durable for such a small aluminum frame
@@hansmaulwurf8027 I think framework replied in the comments of his video saying the modules are sacrificial. If there's a hard yank, the module could be damaged but the USB should avoid damage.
@@anonymousidea9119 you mean the cpu cooler probably, the cpu is just to place in a socket :) Wiring is a nightmare though, just to keep it neat, not even in a pedantic way
Framework has mentioned that the charging circuitry for that got too expensive (the laptop charges through one of the USB C modules). However, there are already third parties designing exactly what you're looking for.
Thats the great thing about this: their designs are not patented meaning any company can step in and make more addin cards for this thing! I personally would love an rj45 addin card when and if i get mine.
As much as I love the potential of a device like this, "imagine" and future potential make me uncomfortable. I don't want to invest in a hardware platform for it's potential. If I buy it, it will be for what it offers *today*.
@@GreenFox1505 Yep, but it already looks like a decent laptop. Worst case; you have to chuck it when it dies, like you do for all the other models on the market.
@@dxm6580 that's PCMCIA, the older (non compatible variant), could be wrong but that was PCI based. Express Card was a PCIe x1 + USB 2.0 hot-swappable slot, with 2 size options (bigger slot compatible with smaller cards as well).
This aged so well. Dedicated GPU models on preorder, and not one but two generational updates to the 13" mainboard (plus an AMD option). Thrilled. I have a 2nd hand original 13" i7 board in their Cooler Master desktop case as my media center PC and it's incredible power for money (got it for like $250 with ssd and memory included), low power draw, and small footprint - incredible despite being 2 generations old, it still outperforms my old full size desktop in every aspect.
@@tezcanaslan2877 The only reason would be them not making more than a couple. Any GPU they can buy should be able to be used, and if they use the same connector Alienware does the gpu options will be pretty good to begin with.
@@tezcanaslan2877 Actually if AMD/Nvidia continue making MXM cards, then it would support those as well. MXM isn't anything special, it's just PCIe, I've even seen people with franken-laptops that have an MXM to PCIe adapters.
@@---jj9lf You need a discreet GPU if you want to be able to play any type of modern game. Most laptops at the $900 will have some kind of GPU. So if they made a model with a card that can be sold separately, then it would fix that issue for people who want a cheaper laptop but don't game and for those who do.
@@D.E._Sarcarean on the contrary, most laptops you under $900 don't have a dGPU, and if they do they're usually barely better than the Xe integrated graphics like the MX450 or cheap gaming laptops that can't hold a candle in build quality to this laptop.
Finally some company thought of replacable ports... On a PC you can usually get a PCIe card for extra HDMI, USB, Ethernet and so on while on pretty much all laptops you're stuck with what the manufacturer wanted..
HP ProBook and elite book have modular parts within each iteration or so you would think, I have 20 HP laptop and the ram and hard drives are easy to get to, no screws no glue and socketed CPu
I'm just wondering (with no electronics knowledge) if they can make the USB-C extension module host two ports instead of one, even if the two share the bandwidth of the one port it's connected to on the motherboard. There seems to be enough space to place them side by side on the module, though I don't know if there's enough space for internal electronics or other constraints.
I am kinda disappointed that I don't need a laptop rite now because I want to support this thing with $$$. The only reason it might not deserve a 10/10 is if the company isn't able to keep replacement parts in stock. If there is a way, in the future, to upgrade the CPU, and go beyond 32 GB of RAM it deserves a 15/10
@Xavier likes Technology yes, you have to replace the whole motherboard, which isn't the best solution, but still better than replacing the whole laptop
What I don’t understand is why if you built the DIY Edition laptop with the same specs as the prebuilt $999 option, it’s $107 more expensive. There’s some secret charge in the back to keep that $749 starting price when it should be $642 based on their own prices.
I never understood why people want to repair their own stuff so bad before. Watching some framework videos, I fully understand now. Being able to replace the battery when you want, or a worn our keyboard, update the CPU/motherboard when yours becomes obsolete is very important, and way cheaper! I would love to finally have a laptop that I can keep forever and just update certain parts of it when required and not have to buy a whole new computer. I hope this company is legit and keeps going for years to come. I have high hopes and this laptop will for sure be my next windows laptop. Good job Framework!
It deserves 100 out of 10, I'm Engineer and I love that this is the start of a remarkable type of laptop that fastest to disassemble and assemble... Thanks, Bro. to let us know what it is... Thanks also to Framework Laptop, I hope that they created a removable CPU - because base on every repair technician encounter is the processor being damage by any circumstances...
Processor is soldered unfortunately. In my opinion the motherboard replaceability offsets this shortcoming though (depending on how much the part is of course)
I think they were just trying to find something to be critical about this thing because it sounds and looks amazing. Would like to see benchmarks on the performance though
@@Taudris I most definitely don't agree with you, the XPS 15 9500, which this is often compared with, for example in Linus review of this things, thst thing is a $2000 + dollars laptop (!) and it has a 56 wh battery in it. And it's not even thinner. Laptops in the price range of this thing, $1000, 750 if you build it yourself, pretty much always sit in the 40-55 wh range for their laptops. For example the HP Envy X360 15.6 inch laptop I've been looking at buying, which is more expensive then this one only has a 51 wh battery. The battery inside this thing is definitely above average for laptops in this price class, there is definitely ones with bigger batteries, but it's definitely a very good size as well.
Heck if I had my way I’d get rid of the internal speakers just for a little bit more battery. Probably wouldn’t make much of a difference at the end of the day though.
Most Thinkpads offer 60+ wh in this size class with more ports, a better keyboard, and all while being just as easy to repair. This thing is a magnet-filled gimmick.
Unfortunately is about money. If all laptop are customisable, then the chineses gonna make their own third party modules way cheaper and those official manufacturers won’t get enough profit or worse, none from it
The fact that it is a DIY laptop and doesn't come with a bad Windows 10 Custom ISO makes me happy. Nice to see a change in the computer industry.
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Even if you buy a prebuilt you get a bog-standard installation of Windows 10, exactly like what you would get if you ran the Media Creation Tool and installed from it. The only customization is that Framework has pre-installed its driver package, the same one you can download from their site; without that, a few things like the fingerprint reader won't work. ZERO bloatware; they don't even change the wallpaper!
its funny that apple use to do some things the framework laptop does, like the magnetic bezel of old imacs, replaceable batteries in old macbooks, swap-able ram and storage etc
Exactly! And even 2000s and early 2010s Apple Still have some very repair friendly setup, like memory bay in battery bay, color coded screw in iMac G5, magnetic held screen and open memory bay door in iMac Unibody.
That's the only reason I haven't switched from my current laptop. the old bastard isn't fast by any metric imaginable and it is a chunky boi but it has a socketed CPU, an MXM (swap-able) graphics card, a detachable battery, a thunderbolt 2 port, 2 2.5 inch bays, one MSata port and an m.2 port with four DDR3 ram slots.
Now imagine this in a 15 or 17 inch form factor with an AM5 socket. Assuming AMD maintains the same level of socket compatibility they did with AM4, that'd be pretty impressive.
It wont use any socketable CPUs, just doesnt make sense in laptops that arent 30 pounds heavy and cost 5000usd. They designed the motherboard as simple as possible on purpose, so that swapping the entire motherboard is barely more expensive then the CPU itself.
@@_--_--_ and more wastefull and still more expensive than just being able to swap the CPU. I get that socketable CPUs these days don't make sense in laptops as the low power versions often don't come in a socket format, but still, I would love to see a return.
@@Hans-gb4mv Yes it is more wasteful, but unfortunately it isnt really doable any other way right now. Desktop socketable CPUs arent an option. The only thing that could enable this is if Intel/AMD reindroduced sockets for mobile platforms, which where discontinued a long time ago, then it could actually be practical again. But the chances of that happening are almost non existant.
@@Hans-gb4mv Neither Intel, AMD, or VIA do not make mobile CPUs in any other package than BGA. The only way around this would be an expensive adapter that could convert FCBGA to a slot loading package. Likely impossible however because of electrical and routing constraints. Maybe a socket the QUIP found on the canceled iAPX 432. Or the "cards" seen on the early mobile pentiums.
My uncle is going to be in need of a new laptop soon. Im going to recommend he gets this and try to sell him on it. I just really hope this product is successful.
This is very interesting. It goes to show you can make something very thin and still make it serviceable. My only concern it that the company will be around long enough to supply the replacement parts when needed even though some are standard parts.
At worst, you get a decent laptop that you can find used parts for online. At best, it's one of the most upgradeable laptops that will last you for years
I’ll take the slightest possibility of partly upgrading or repairing a laptop over buying a completely new one any day. Even if Framework goes out of business within a few years, the situation won’t be worse than with any other laptop that needs to be exchanged with a new one once the time us right.
Even if Framework goes out of business the day after mine ships to me, as disastrous as that'd be, it's still not just "no worse", but quite substantially better, than any other laptop currently on the market, because there's still some room for me to find a guy with a 3d printer to keep me supplied with replacement 1" USB-C extensions, most of the parts inside are still following standards that other companies make stuff in (M.2, SODIMM, etc), so most things will still be repairable for quite a while.
If they go out of business the only upgradibility lost will be with the motherboard/cpu and battery maybe. Ram, and storage are thrid party and as far as I am aware that keyboard and screen are of normal sizes meaning fitting replacements can be found. There are usbc adapters that may not fit flush but will keep that functionality. I am pretty sure the webcam could be swapped with that of other devices, albeit not as easily. So as long as you don't bank on changing that motherboard down the line the rest is probably going to hold. The hope of a used market with upgrades helps too.
I feel like many laptops are already super easy to repair. The biggest things are when they open from the top, palmrest/keyboard replacements are much simpler because you don't need to transfer the motherboard and everything else over. Also a keyboard that isn't plastic-welded on is nice to see.
Ok this is how all laptops should be to a certain extent. The RAM, SSD, Battery and WI-Fi card at a bare minimum. If they make 15.6 inch version with a RTX 3050 card, I’m all in. Quick question though, how did it perform?
I’m just betting on what I heard in the video but I suppose it performs just as well as you’d expect a modern laptop without dedicated graphics would perform, if they had gone with a ryzen system however then maybe it would’ve been game capable but in this case, I wouldn’t keep my hopes up
Unfortunately (to no fault of Framework's) the i7-1185G7 (and the i5-1135G7 and i7-1165G7) perform... just okay. An 8-core Ryzen 5700U will comfortably beat the 4-core 1185G7 in multi-core (at an even lower power budget) while maintaining solid (although not as good) single core performance. And AMD's previous-gen 4900HS matches the single core performance of the i7-1165G7 and also has double the cores (8 compared to 4). AMD's integrated graphics also perform better, So better hope that Intel pulls through for 12th gen and Framework can hit shelves with those mainboard upgrades. Otherwise might want to switch to team red.
@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart Yep I’m with you there. And Framework couldn’t have known AMD was going to widen their performance lead with mobile 5000 series to the degree they did. The framework model is still a decent buy subjectively, at least IMO.
Only for a few more years, sadly. Unless the brilliant minds in the community manage to keep x86 compatibility after Apple kills it for Apple Silicon, Hackintoshes probably have less than 10 years before they're too far behind on updates to keep being used.
@@shiriajin I think it would cost total of 30% + postage here in Finland. Plus I'd want to have nordic keyboard layout which has one button more in the keyboard and slightly different layout around enter.
@@MikkoRantalainen 30%. Wow, that’s a lot. And I thought the UK was expensive. I might ask a friend in the states to buy it then ship it to me as a gift.
As soon as I can order one of these in the UK I am in. This is exactly what I want in my products. I do need a new laptop but I am going to hold out for this.
I´ve just bought a second hand thinkpad from a few years back, and even though it´s not as repairable as this, it comes close. We´re actually going back to where we´ve started.
I think this is just their first attempt, and if they get enough funding, they could design a new drop-in replacement AMD-based mainboard. I do dream of them adding a whole list of features I want, too.
Even those of us who aren't "beginners" can appreciate it. You may be able to get a machine working again after you pry apart adhesives, clean all the goop, bypass the tamperproof traps, remove and tap out a ton of rivets, and deal with a hundred hidden screws (plus their dozen obscure tool bits). But that doesn't mean you would want to.
but please something like steam deck's apu. I want APU's with RDNA2 instead of the long dead vega graphics that every pc processor gets (while PS5/xbox/steam deck get the much better RDNA2 architecture for the gpu part) Then again thats on AMD to actually produce them, and yes such an APU in the framework laptop will be AWESOME
Just purchased a new Ryzen Framework 13 (hope to get it soon.....) to replace a Macbook pro with burned ssd and out of warranty (need to replace the entire motherboard....) It's one of the best engineered products I've seen so far.
This is an amazing product in my eyes. Truly deserving of that 10/10 score. I just really hope they are able to have a dedicated gpu in a future version.
Going to hold off to see if upgrade parts/integrated graphics are a thing for the next version, but the concept is amazing and even the practical benefit of swapping ports would be super useful. Top of the list for my next laptop for sure
You know that peace of mind you have with your desktop computer knowing that if any part failed it will be easy swap thanks to it modularity this laptop bring the same feeling. only minor improvement if they can make a socketed CPU & GPU (future upgradability) , also if in the same way you connected an extra port, you can connect an eGPU with a decent bandwidth it will be amazing.
I heard another creator stating why socketed cpu is bad. 1. It's an extra failure point. If soldered properly, CPU will outlast almost any other component in a x86 computer 2. People rarely upgrade their CPU I'd say too that the soldered CPU is an upgrade. Sadly intel doesn't make socketed laptop cpu anymore so there goes that "improvement" option
@@houghwhite411 the cpu will keep functioning, but it might become too slow... on the other hand, you could put in a new, faster one and not have to buy a whole device
@@emperorsgoldenboy3735 it's not the cpu is slow, it's the program made sloppily and web page bogged with junk scripts. CPU above 2018 should be able to last at least another 10 years for general computing
Well if they made it so even if the sad version happens and you cant get the best processor next year, I think making it so you can install next models motherboard and processor in this years body would be a win. If they could capitalize on making it so you don't have to keep buying a new laptop for the upgrades, you can literally just install the upgraded parts, that would be awesome. And then just occasionally change the body, but the body could also be a part that could be upgraded. They'd potentially grandfather their customers in for a long time.
if i had money, i would buy it first of all to support them for this awesome setup, swappable modules, swapable components, cover for camera and hardware switch for microphone, big trackpad, these things hint to me they really tought about their customers, and how to give it something they deserve as tech user, second one because they announced arduino module, with which i thinker a lot, third for the probable posibillity of making your own modules... awesome, i really hope they grow big...
Wouldn't say its a must buy, like none of us here wants to be an early adopter of something that is more likely to fail although what it offers is definitely very promising. Better to wait a while (maybe a year or two) and see more developments cause this repairable laptop is still in beta version in my opinion.
@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart what do you mean with microscopic? Just on reddit the r/mechanicalkeyboards sub is shy of 1M users. Not saying it's mainstream but I don't think you're fully realizing the size of the community and especially how passionate they are and how much money spent on mechs
@@aromaticsnail it's still quite niche when you compare it to the rest of the market of casual users (1million isn't a lot imho) otherwise prices would be lower and limited Group Buys wouldn't still be a thing. If demand was substantial the switch and keycap prices would slowly decrease and there would be increased availability but that won't happen anytime soon because it is still a niche hobby. Heck even getting Krytox 205g0 was an issue for *months* when I decided to try to lube the linear switches. But I can see third party retailers offering something for Frameworks with a bit more keytravel. Thats the best thing about this laptop - it kinda opens up the options to explore what modularity could offer.
Oh and when I mentioned the 'casual' market I don't mean your average non-techie consumer, cause they will obviously not care for Framework anyway. I meant the users with a more casual keyboard preferences - cause there are tons of technology enthusiasts that don't really engage with the mechanical keyboard community
I'm concerned about Framework's longevity as a company. I want them to live long enough for the things they do to get standardized but I'm skeptical about it.
I could see this as an alternative for companies that refresh their laptops every couple of years, instead of buying new ones, just upgrade the existing ones. Granted they would need to be able to keep up with demand and also last for long, in terms of build quality
Imagine being able to upgrade your CPU/GPU on a laptop, without changing out the screen, ports the mouse pad and etc, just the one most important part...
the only thing to keep in mind is that they promise that you can put a different mainboard into this thing later down the road with different gen cpus. which means that the port situation will stay for a while. the negative part about is that until know only single port adapters were shown (i dont know if they will release an adaptre with two usb c or two usb a ports). if there is a reason why they didnt release one yet (like not enough space) then sadly it wont be changed in future generations either, so you will only have those 4 ports which i found to be on the little side.
To me the only weird thing are these usb c ports, why not put two on the adapter, and why not have at least one permanent port, as you need it for charging? Other that that it is a dream that came true, cant wait for versions with AMD, ARM and RISC. 10/10
But what side do you want the charging port? Do you use your laptop on a desk with the plug on the left or the right... Etc. I see why they didn't make a steadfast charge port location.
@@brycetorian fine, what about the 3.5mm jack? with the usb-c ports at least, with one permanent port, you could still use a module to charge it on the other side. Anyway, its infinitely better than any other laptop on the market.
They cited two problems as for why they didn't do a 2xC module: power, and video. Getting two USB-C ports and the USB hub chip into a module is a tight fit, but it's doable, barely. But fitting that and the DisplayPort controller and the USB-PD controller in there is impossible. There are already people on their forums working on a simple barebones hub module that will get you 2xC, but you won't be able to do any video or power (in either direction) beyond half of what a standard non-PD USB-C port can deliver. But that's still useful, so people are working on it.
@@guspaz Nice, thanks for the info! about the 3.5 mm jack, was just to point out that it is permanent on one side, which would be a similar case for a permanent usb-c port
Well, you "could" have a socketed CPU, but then you'd be stuck with what your chipset supports anyways and since it would probably be a non-mobile CPU, it'd have to have its voltage/clock heavily tuned for power consumption...
@@ChuckNORRlS a lot thicker (like nearly double IMO) and it would produce more heat, for a laptop it’s just non-sense to include a swappable cpu, desktop sockets are just too think to be in a thin and (reasonably) light package.
@@Alex-hv3ir Correct XMG Desktop replacement are thicc af, If framework decide to go down that route in the future probably we will see a desktop CPU inside it. But to be honest the repairability on this laptop is amazing and needs to be benchmark to other products (they can't play the it gonna be chunky if it's repairable card anymore) .
It's a 10. I'm happy to see this. I'll probably get the base model for my wife's next laptop as I can repair it (she breaks things). As for me and my usage, I want a laptop like this *but* I'll wait to see if there's a Ryzen 6xxx mobile CPU with thunderbolt for an egpu. If there is, and framework adopts, I'll pay whatever. I usually buy laptops that will not be replaced for many years ... longer than my desktop ... and so can wait.
Another thing, All screws are either color coded by length or captive, and at the top of the board they have 3 replacement screws, one for each length/color. Linus from Linus Tech Tips bought his own laptop on the spot and also invested over $250,000 to the company. I would keep an eye on this company!
I bought one of these and am on it right now. I love this thing! Putting the DIY kit together was easy and I loved the process. Every component on it works great. Not one complaint to make of it yet
@@Jacoblikesyoutube I ordered a 16, with no OS, and will install Linux. Maybe run Win if I ever needed it, in a VM. But I have been running Linux for 20 months and have no need for Windows.
Making a laptop motherboard with a CPU socket won't be that easy, although a replacable dedicated GPU is very possible given that framework could simply add a PCIe slot, say on the side for ex., basically a Flow x13 but with the connector on the inside of the laptop
@@mrmarker98 You can find the odd chunky windows 98 with a CPU socket in it but I think the problems associated with that are obvious. Although, thinking about it, you could in theory have a CPU that runs off of a PCI slot?
9.999999999999.../10 just because it's not available worldwide (yet). I really hope framework to become a huge company with dedicated stores worldwide without changing their approach to repairability and modularity, they are literally breathing a new life into laptop industry. I can't wait to get one.
I have a MSI modern 14 It's thin as heck, got all the reasonable ports, upgradable dual channel memory, easy to take apart, no glue on the battery pack, built out of sturdy metal and the display is easy to get at with the clip on bezzel And I still envy this thing because getting parts for this one is so much easier
Holy crap this looks amazing! I've been thinking about getting a new laptop for when Win 11 comes out (since it's not compatible with my current device) and this looks an amazing option! The idea that you could just buy updates to parts rather than junking a whole machine is just :chef's kiss: . Time to go watch a bunch of reviews on how it functions as an actual machine!
@@kwlkid85 I remember hearing earlier that you need at least a certain version of a certain security chip in hardware for Win11 to be compatible. Maybe things have changed since then, but I've already received an email from Microsoft saying my laptop will not be compatible with the new update.
@@Respectable_Username Microsoft wants every Windows 11 pc to have a TPM 2.0 chip but after a lot of backlash but has said they won't stop people manually installing it on PCs without the chip.
So hyped for this! Some laptops that are already available are kind of repairable but disassembling is a huge pain in the ass if you don't have a lot of experience fiddling with all the different connectors, ribbon cables and screws. The frameworks laptop changes that.
I love this concept. I'm hesitant for 2 main reasons: the total amount of IO isn't really enough for me (4 ports plus trrs). I'm also hoping they make a version with dedicated graphics in the future. I hope they make USB modules with 2 USB ports instead of one, perhaps a type c and a or 2 type c in one module. I still might consider one for my next laptop, but it's a tough sell even though I'm enthusiastic about it.
thankfully - there is now a large community of people who make open source IO modules. if you have a 3D printer and a bit of patience, you could potentially create your own or use someones design for a dual-IO module - just bear in mind the risks they may pose to the internal hardware. additionally, i have no doubts that the laptops will eventually have a dGPU within another year or so, sure its a long time but its not the end of the world if you consider the advancements of iGPUs so far either. optionally, you can use an eGPU as a temp solution, though they cost a lot in efficiency due to the limited bandwidth of the USB ports. you could also maybe even get a motherboard replacement that does have a dGPU combo but considering the size of the laptop, i feel like a 15" chassis is necessary for the capability of such things for thermal concerns and for the repair-ability. hopefully they do remedy these things soon though, i currently bought one for myself, since i dont require to run games or do anything graphically intense besides web-development and software development or casual work. it is pretty handy and the expand-ability of the hardware is more than enough for me to take the chance on its future.
Just saying, but 2h ago they announced a 16" version with **modular** (hard to believe, I know) discrete graphics, 6 modular IO ports instead of 4 (though no headphone jack by default, it'll come as a module instead), and even more-er modular keyboard and touchpad and optional numpad 🤯
The only thing stopping me from getting it right now is that they don't have a trackpad with a buttons yet that you can add when they add that I'll definitely go for it over the Lenovos I use and recommend now and I will mention the framework to people who are indifferent with trackpad differences.
What i would like to see in the future, keep the same base frame, and just update the motherboards and sell them as an upgrade kit with a partial discount after sending in the old one. And since it is all usb-c based perhaps having an external GPU wouldnt be so bad, later tests come to mind. Im excited for this.
A couple of other things I like is that they have spare screws inside the chassis in case you lose one and they provide schematics to make a case to use your old motherboard as a pc if you upgrade!
Right, not sure why they didn't go Ryzen this time with it's better performance and better power efficiency. Maybe they couldn't source enough AMD chips
please dont let this company die, we're currently sitting at a crossroads that could potentially flip the laptop market on its head.
2023, one year later and that has not happened! In fact they are doing better than ever with an AMD for pre order and a 16in laptop with a modular gpu and deck on the way.
@@michaelscott5284 yeah, I watched the key-note too.
@@michaelscott5284 calling it just gpu slot is kind ofu nderselling that part, i personally plan on getting the 16in once my current one dies and cassualy swaping between the gpu and battery module depending on the current need, the fact the battery packs are supposed to be hotswappable would be another bonus
@@najlitarvan921 honeslty the 16 inch is just too good to be true, hopefully they keep on continuing to build stuff like this and won't die like other modular laptop companies
@@marcdave9521 ya, i really hope they do, i wonder if oled will come in the future and touch screen for those who like those another thing i personally hope they make is a black touchpad for the 16in
The fact that just being honest about a product works as advertisement tells you how good the product is...
that and/or how low the bar is set
@@miscl_anon Not really; humans exaggerated for centuries....
Framework is just so good that being honest is works
Framework is working at an angle that nobody else is...
@@TheDeathmail i mean that framework is only "good" bc they provide a product that has demanded for a while. if everybody offered easily repairable technology, framework wouldn't be any special in that regard. it's only bc everyone else is anti-consumer, that someone who's pro-consumer stands out
One of the most important parts about this is that they have a good logo.
Yeah! That's so important for me. I refuse to get a laptop with a cringy logo, like the newer Lenovo Legion's "Y" logo and the Razers "whatever the F that is" logo
@@iau well, Razer is tri-headed snake fanlike logo
@@iau I don't know if that's sarcasm or not, but you'd be surprised how many people buy stuff for the logo. Why do you think people buy Apple? For the components? Maybe some, but most buy it because it's Apple, and with its simple and instantly recognizable logo, they can carry it like a bling.
@@Miestwin I’m not going to say that’s wrong, but people buy apple for the software, as well as design
@@hunterreeves6525 Zorin and Elementary: uh
And one year later, we have the preorder option for 12th gen and even AMD Ryzen 7x40.
On top of that they plan for cases for old mainboards so you can turn your upgrade into an upgrade with an optional small form factor pc on the side.
A 16" laptop with switchable gpu-options is coming too.
Framework should get an 11/10 at this point, these guys ROCK!
And all of those became real!
Another year and we have RISC-V on the horizon! Will be a while for the average consumer but...
As soon as they come out with a model that includes a dedicated GPU, I'm in.
Edit: Framework, you SOB, I'm in!
Dedicated gpu and more cpu options
I agree. I want a discrete GPU and and AMD cpu. Problem is the chassis will probably need to be bigger and then they'll need a way better cooler than they have now. Then they need more SKUs and everything gets complicated.
Still, the idea is great. If we could get to the point where you really could DIY your own laptop I'd be very interested.
I suspect that a larger laptop will be their second product, assuming enough people buy this first product for the company to reach that point. Laptops aren't one size fits all; that would be a good extension of the line. It would be nice if the GPU could be put on a separate card so that you could upgrade the CPU and the GPU separately, and so people who don't need the dedicated GPU could buy a configuration without it. Getting enough cooling for a discrete GPU is going to require a bigger system; the current chassis just isn't built for it.
I would also like to see Alder Lake and Ryzen 6000 motherboard options for the original Framework. Ryzen will likely have to wait for Ryzen 6000 because previous generations don't have Thunderbolt support, which means that the video output modules might not work fully. Those new motherboards would be suitable for a 2022 product refresh.
Yep...if they make a gaming version of this (even if significantly bulkier), it would be my next gaming laptop.
Or just buy an egpu
It's so nice to see a laptop being so easy to repair!
Yeah manufacturer always claim it's not possible because it takes to much room. What a lie
@@savejeff15 yup billion dollar company cant do it but a start up execute almost perfectly.
@@diddymies it clearly shows that it was never the intention to creat better hardware but hardware that must be replaced to make more money sooner.
I have a surface book. It's a genuinely genius peace of hardware but it's glued shut from all sides. No chance of replacing anything.
The Dell XPS line is also surprisingly easy to repair and upgrade. But this is on a whole other level.
@@savejeff15 “why let the customer repair their device for $100 when we can sell them an entirely new one for $800”
I think the soldered on USB C ports is ok because the blocks have to plug in straight because they have a guide and they lock. This means there is no wobble to tugging to damage the ports and if they do loosen the locks will make them stay in.
Lois Rossmann also first was picking about the soldered ports but also came to the conclusion that the sliding of the modules shouldnt put to much stress on them.
@@hansmaulwurf8027 esp since they look like there's a small track, so most of the force would get taken up by the chassis of the laptop, which Linus has said is super durable for such a small aluminum frame
@@hansmaulwurf8027 They even confirmed this fact
@@hansmaulwurf8027 I think framework replied in the comments of his video saying the modules are sacrificial. If there's a hard yank, the module could be damaged but the USB should avoid damage.
About as opposite to a MacBook as you could ever get.
nah, it still has good build quality
@@maxx1o1 op probably means in terms of repairability
@@banned0404 I know, I was just poking fun them.
That's why I own one :)
The assembly/disassembly looks precisely as easy as a DIY desktop PC. I want to see this more!
Probably even easier since you don't have to worry about the power supply.
@@sebastianjost I mean isn't the battery an equivilant.
@@heroninja1125 Not really, because you don't have to route all the PSU cables in an awkward way
I’d say personally the hardest part is cpu installation, power supply is easy if you don’t care about neat wiring :>
@@anonymousidea9119 you mean the cpu cooler probably, the cpu is just to place in a socket :)
Wiring is a nightmare though, just to keep it neat, not even in a pedantic way
This is exactly what I imagined when thinking of DIY laptop like DIY-PC. Highly customizable, build it yourself, install whatever you want.
The USB-C modules could host two USB-C ports on the outside, just to be a bit picky 😁
Yeah the "pass through" modules could be a bit more than literally a 1" extension.
Framework has mentioned that the charging circuitry for that got too expensive (the laptop charges through one of the USB C modules). However, there are already third parties designing exactly what you're looking for.
@@imadogg5612 yea, the CAD files developers need for that are even open source i believe so in theory anyone could make something for it
Thats the great thing about this: their designs are not patented meaning any company can step in and make more addin cards for this thing! I personally would love an rj45 addin card when and if i get mine.
Agreed but definitely picky
Pretty cool just imagine being able to replace a LCD screen with an oled
Would hope they start offering different levels IE OLED and high quality colour correct for graphics work ETC
As far as I know they have plans to do that
Linus Tech Tips said the motherboard supports touch even though the screen is not, so they definetaly planned for multiple screen options.
As much as I love the potential of a device like this, "imagine" and future potential make me uncomfortable. I don't want to invest in a hardware platform for it's potential. If I buy it, it will be for what it offers *today*.
@@GreenFox1505 Yep, but it already looks like a decent laptop.
Worst case; you have to chuck it when it dies, like you do for all the other models on the market.
So, 20 years of development and we're back at where we started with the ExpressCard slot..
yep, i wonder if someone makes a 10gig express card for my black and white compac c120(i think it was this, i havent seen it in 4 years)
ExpressCard, now in USB-C form!
Thunderbolt is the new expresscard, which was just PCI-E for laptops
'built in dongle'
@@dxm6580 that's PCMCIA, the older (non compatible variant), could be wrong but that was PCI based.
Express Card was a PCIe x1 + USB 2.0 hot-swappable slot, with 2 size options (bigger slot compatible with smaller cards as well).
I absolutely love the "dongles" - such a fantastic concept
Yeah man, like one day you might need an extra USB C or a card reader, when you're at home the HDMI, displayport or Ethernet matters more. Love it
This aged so well. Dedicated GPU models on preorder, and not one but two generational updates to the 13" mainboard (plus an AMD option). Thrilled.
I have a 2nd hand original 13" i7 board in their Cooler Master desktop case as my media center PC and it's incredible power for money (got it for like $250 with ssd and memory included), low power draw, and small footprint - incredible despite being 2 generations old, it still outperforms my old full size desktop in every aspect.
Impressive engineering. Would love to see what they can do with a 15" or 17" laptop.
Put removable graphic card in it.
@@gamingwithxan1430 It would probably support a select few cards
@@tezcanaslan2877 The only reason would be them not making more than a couple. Any GPU they can buy should be able to be used, and if they use the same connector Alienware does the gpu options will be pretty good to begin with.
@@tezcanaslan2877 Actually if AMD/Nvidia continue making MXM cards, then it would support those as well. MXM isn't anything special, it's just PCIe, I've even seen people with franken-laptops that have an MXM to PCIe adapters.
And a cube PC. Simple to make more versions using the same parts.
A 17" model with screen options, GPU card, and 6 I/O ports would be dope.
dude how do ppl work with 17" laptops they're HUUUGGGEEE or maybe i'm just small
this laptop doesn't have GPU? not that many laptops need one, but it's better. Very expensive for a $750 laptop.
@@---jj9lf You need a discreet GPU if you want to be able to play any type of modern game. Most laptops at the $900 will have some kind of GPU. So if they made a model with a card that can be sold separately, then it would fix that issue for people who want a cheaper laptop but don't game and for those who do.
@@D.E._Sarcarean i have a pc lol
@@D.E._Sarcarean on the contrary, most laptops you under $900 don't have a dGPU, and if they do they're usually barely better than the Xe integrated graphics like the MX450 or cheap gaming laptops that can't hold a candle in build quality to this laptop.
Finally some company thought of replacable ports... On a PC you can usually get a PCIe card for extra HDMI, USB, Ethernet and so on while on pretty much all laptops you're stuck with what the manufacturer wanted..
HP ProBook and elite book have modular parts within each iteration or so you would think, I have 20 HP laptop and the ram and hard drives are easy to get to, no screws no glue and socketed CPu
@@Heathmcdonald Wooooow the RAM and storage are easy to get to! Amazing!!!!
...like in pretty much every older laptop...
Dispute apple adding multiple usb c ports on their laptops, I feel like this should inspire them to add module ports too
I'm just wondering (with no electronics knowledge) if they can make the USB-C extension module host two ports instead of one, even if the two share the bandwidth of the one port it's connected to on the motherboard. There seems to be enough space to place them side by side on the module, though I don't know if there's enough space for internal electronics or other constraints.
Not launching it with an Ethernet option is just ridiculous.
I’m rooting for framework, I hope it succeeds!
This is the revolutionary I always wanted a laptop like this! I appreciate the massive effort for The Right to Repair Movement.
I am kinda disappointed that I don't need a laptop rite now because I want to support this thing with $$$.
The only reason it might not deserve a 10/10 is if the company isn't able to keep replacement parts in stock. If there is a way, in the future, to upgrade the CPU, and go beyond 32 GB of RAM it deserves a 15/10
I think the laptop actually supports up to 64 GB of ram.
Or if they can’t make retrofit kits to swap motherboards when cpu manufacturers change the sockets.
Pretty sure those SO-DIMMs will support 2x32GB sticks if you really wanted, pretty sure the processor supports it
@@RadDadisRad there aren’t any sockets in laptops. The CPU is soldered right in to the board, and there isn’t any cpu that has a socket.
@Xavier likes Technology yes, you have to replace the whole motherboard, which isn't the best solution, but still better than replacing the whole laptop
I like that you can choose to exclude paying for the OS, storage, or even RAM if I had SODIMM's laying around
Yup, as a Linux user I don't want to pay the Microsoft tax, but avoiding it so far has been near impossible where I live
You can. If you select a build-your own, you have multiple options for each of the components, including not buying one so you can add your own.
What I don’t understand is why if you built the DIY Edition laptop with the same specs as the prebuilt $999 option, it’s $107 more expensive. There’s some secret charge in the back to keep that $749 starting price when it should be $642 based on their own prices.
@@kittone5250 i saw that too, probably a discount if you buy the prebuilt one + shipping less package.
You could conceivably buy a broken laptop, get the RAM and storage out and use it for this.
I so hope this thing succeeds. I frickin’ love this idea!
I really hope this company takes off. It would be a win for consumers
I never understood why people want to repair their own stuff so bad before. Watching some framework videos, I fully understand now. Being able to replace the battery when you want, or a worn our keyboard, update the CPU/motherboard when yours becomes obsolete is very important, and way cheaper! I would love to finally have a laptop that I can keep forever and just update certain parts of it when required and not have to buy a whole new computer. I hope this company is legit and keeps going for years to come. I have high hopes and this laptop will for sure be my next windows laptop. Good job Framework!
It deserves 100 out of 10, I'm Engineer and I love that this is the start of a remarkable type of laptop that fastest to disassemble and assemble... Thanks, Bro. to let us know what it is... Thanks also to Framework Laptop, I hope that they created a removable CPU - because base on every repair technician encounter is the processor being damage by any circumstances...
Processor is soldered unfortunately. In my opinion the motherboard replaceability offsets this shortcoming though (depending on how much the part is of course)
@@_lod that ain't happening. Not enough market to target
It’s soldered, but none of the other main components are soldered to the motherboard, so upgrading the mobo wouldn’t be insanely expensive
@@_lod ever heard of the Intel Compute Element?
@@DGao-zz5vq I forgot about those but it would be hard to incorporate them into a laptop
The battery isn't even small, 55 watt hours when most laptops of that size have batteries with 40-50 watt hous
I think they were just trying to find something to be critical about this thing because it sounds and looks amazing. Would like to see benchmarks on the performance though
Nah, 55Wh really isn't that great. The C940 has a 67.5Wh battery in a 2-in-1 form factor, for example.
@@Taudris I most definitely don't agree with you, the XPS 15 9500, which this is often compared with, for example in Linus review of this things, thst thing is a $2000 + dollars laptop (!) and it has a 56 wh battery in it. And it's not even thinner. Laptops in the price range of this thing, $1000, 750 if you build it yourself, pretty much always sit in the 40-55 wh range for their laptops. For example the HP Envy X360 15.6 inch laptop I've been looking at buying, which is more expensive then this one only has a 51 wh battery. The battery inside this thing is definitely above average for laptops in this price class, there is definitely ones with bigger batteries, but it's definitely a very good size as well.
Heck if I had my way I’d get rid of the internal speakers just for a little bit more battery. Probably wouldn’t make much of a difference at the end of the day though.
Most Thinkpads offer 60+ wh in this size class with more ports, a better keyboard, and all while being just as easy to repair. This thing is a magnet-filled gimmick.
I wish other manufacturers would actually care about the environment and their customers this much...
Brilliant product!
However though, companies like this are usually first to go out unless we educate enough people about repairability.
Unfortunately is about money. If all laptop are customisable, then the chineses gonna make their own third party modules way cheaper and those official manufacturers won’t get enough profit or worse, none from it
But they'll lose billions of dollars if they do that, so they won't.
That's the thing ! If they are very successful, others will copy it
@@MrGamelover23 yes but if Framework get very popular, they will also lose market shares
And 12th gen is out! Here’s to another year of repairability!
The fact that it is a DIY laptop and doesn't come with a bad Windows 10 Custom ISO makes me happy. Nice to see a change in the computer industry.
Even if you buy a prebuilt you get a bog-standard installation of Windows 10, exactly like what you would get if you ran the Media Creation Tool and installed from it. The only customization is that Framework has pre-installed its driver package, the same one you can download from their site; without that, a few things like the fingerprint reader won't work. ZERO bloatware; they don't even change the wallpaper!
its funny that apple use to do some things the framework laptop does, like the magnetic bezel of old imacs, replaceable batteries in old macbooks, swap-able ram and storage etc
I mean, every laptop used to do the last three things you mention. There are people still buying old Thinkpads to repair, tinker with and use.
I still use my old laptop for this very reason. - everything is easily replace able.
Exactly! And even 2000s and early 2010s Apple Still have some very repair friendly setup, like memory bay in battery bay, color coded screw in iMac G5, magnetic held screen and open memory bay door in iMac Unibody.
Most midrange laptops and almost all gaming laptops still have removabale wifi cards, ram, storage and batteries.
That's the only reason I haven't switched from my current laptop. the old bastard isn't fast by any metric imaginable and it is a chunky boi but it has a socketed CPU, an MXM (swap-able) graphics card, a detachable battery, a thunderbolt 2 port, 2 2.5 inch bays, one MSata port and an m.2 port with four DDR3 ram slots.
Now imagine this in a 15 or 17 inch form factor with an AM5 socket. Assuming AMD maintains the same level of socket compatibility they did with AM4, that'd be pretty impressive.
It wont use any socketable CPUs, just doesnt make sense in laptops that arent 30 pounds heavy and cost 5000usd.
They designed the motherboard as simple as possible on purpose, so that swapping the entire motherboard is barely more expensive then the CPU itself.
@@_--_--_ and more wastefull and still more expensive than just being able to swap the CPU. I get that socketable CPUs these days don't make sense in laptops as the low power versions often don't come in a socket format, but still, I would love to see a return.
@@Hans-gb4mv Yes it is more wasteful, but unfortunately it isnt really doable any other way right now.
Desktop socketable CPUs arent an option.
The only thing that could enable this is if Intel/AMD reindroduced sockets for mobile platforms, which where discontinued a long time ago, then it could actually be practical again. But the chances of that happening are almost non existant.
Intel only becuase of the design platform.
@@Hans-gb4mv Neither Intel, AMD, or VIA do not make mobile CPUs in any other package than BGA. The only way around this would be an expensive adapter that could convert FCBGA to a slot loading package. Likely impossible however because of electrical and routing constraints. Maybe a socket the QUIP found on the canceled iAPX 432. Or the "cards" seen on the early mobile pentiums.
My uncle is going to be in need of a new laptop soon. Im going to recommend he gets this and try to sell him on it. I just really hope this product is successful.
With you on that bro
This is very interesting. It goes to show you can make something very thin and still make it serviceable. My only concern it that the company will be around long enough to supply the replacement parts when needed even though some are standard parts.
At worst, you get a decent laptop that you can find used parts for online. At best, it's one of the most upgradeable laptops that will last you for years
@@Ghi102 whats great is at worst its an standard, affordable laptop, and at its best laptop for upgradability as of now
So far still around and already offering upgrades to accommodate latest gen processors. I have been very happy with mine
@@satcomjimmy dont forget the marketplace where you can buy and sell used parts
@@RashidTak I have my eye on the 16inch version.
I’ll take the slightest possibility of partly upgrading or repairing a laptop over buying a completely new one any day. Even if Framework goes out of business within a few years, the situation won’t be worse than with any other laptop that needs to be exchanged with a new one once the time us right.
Even if Framework goes out of business the day after mine ships to me, as disastrous as that'd be, it's still not just "no worse", but quite substantially better, than any other laptop currently on the market, because there's still some room for me to find a guy with a 3d printer to keep me supplied with replacement 1" USB-C extensions, most of the parts inside are still following standards that other companies make stuff in (M.2, SODIMM, etc), so most things will still be repairable for quite a while.
@@JohnDoe-nq4du as well as framework having cad drawings of the chassis available somewhere i heard.
If they go out of business the only upgradibility lost will be with the motherboard/cpu and battery maybe. Ram, and storage are thrid party and as far as I am aware that keyboard and screen are of normal sizes meaning fitting replacements can be found. There are usbc adapters that may not fit flush but will keep that functionality. I am pretty sure the webcam could be swapped with that of other devices, albeit not as easily. So as long as you don't bank on changing that motherboard down the line the rest is probably going to hold. The hope of a used market with upgrades helps too.
@@teresar6348 And that's assuming the company that is producing their motherboards doesn't start selling them to the general public.
The biggest tech youtuber, Linus Tech Tips has backed this project and invested in the company.
I think it should be safe atleast in the early term
What was the last 10/10 repairability score?
Maybe the Fairphone 3...
For laptops it was both the Dell Latitude and HP EliteBook.
For smartphones it was the Fairphone 3.
Okay, I want framework to make a 15” version and add a Ryzen CPU option
15" with MXM GPU would be awesome. AMD/Ryzen would be even better.
@@christophertstone say it louder
Same.
16", is that close enough?
Oh I hope they continue.. I hope they grow.. I hope they keep improving and they become the new standard for laptops.. 👍👌
I feel like many laptops are already super easy to repair. The biggest things are when they open from the top, palmrest/keyboard replacements are much simpler because you don't need to transfer the motherboard and everything else over. Also a keyboard that isn't plastic-welded on is nice to see.
2:40 that port module was like: Yeet
Ok this is how all laptops should be to a certain extent. The RAM, SSD, Battery and WI-Fi card at a bare minimum. If they make 15.6 inch version with a RTX 3050 card, I’m all in. Quick question though, how did it perform?
I’m just betting on what I heard in the video but I suppose it performs just as well as you’d expect a modern laptop without dedicated graphics would perform, if they had gone with a ryzen system however then maybe it would’ve been game capable but in this case, I wouldn’t keep my hopes up
Unfortunately (to no fault of Framework's) the i7-1185G7 (and the i5-1135G7 and i7-1165G7) perform... just okay. An 8-core Ryzen 5700U will comfortably beat the 4-core 1185G7 in multi-core (at an even lower power budget) while maintaining solid (although not as good) single core performance. And AMD's previous-gen 4900HS matches the single core performance of the i7-1165G7 and also has double the cores (8 compared to 4). AMD's integrated graphics also perform better, So better hope that Intel pulls through for 12th gen and Framework can hit shelves with those mainboard upgrades. Otherwise might want to switch to team red.
@@jompkins My guess is that AMD APU's were in short supply, while Intel had chips to spare.
@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart Yep I’m with you there. And Framework couldn’t have known AMD was going to widen their performance lead with mobile 5000 series to the degree they did. The framework model is still a decent buy subjectively, at least IMO.
@@jompkins AMD Laptop CPUs are slower than Intel’s 11th gen Laptop CPUs in gaming
IMO This seems like it would be a great Hackintosh.
Only for a few more years, sadly. Unless the brilliant minds in the community manage to keep x86 compatibility after Apple kills it for Apple Silicon, Hackintoshes probably have less than 10 years before they're too far behind on updates to keep being used.
Apart from the mac software....
@@myriadtechrepair1191 unless all windows pcs more to arm and you just hackintosh the arm version of mac os
@@PanosPitsi There are many flavors of Arm, nothing says they have to be compatible after that
@@myriadtechrepair1191 Framework has said that they might consider releasing ARM based motherboards. That might be exciting.
Can't wait for them to start shipping from Europe! (To avoid customs when shipping from the US)
How much would that cost usually?
@@shiriajin I think it would cost total of 30% + postage here in Finland. Plus I'd want to have nordic keyboard layout which has one button more in the keyboard and slightly different layout around enter.
@@MikkoRantalainen 30%. Wow, that’s a lot. And I thought the UK was expensive. I might ask a friend in the states to buy it then ship it to me as a gift.
As soon as I can order one of these in the UK I am in. This is exactly what I want in my products. I do need a new laptop but I am going to hold out for this.
I´ve just bought a second hand thinkpad from a few years back, and even though it´s not as repairable as this, it comes close. We´re actually going back to where we´ve started.
I’m just really sad there is no AMD version of it.
It’s not that big of a deal
I think this is just their first attempt, and if they get enough funding, they could design a new drop-in replacement AMD-based mainboard. I do dream of them adding a whole list of features I want, too.
@@Alpha-fc3bo it is amd cpus are more energy efficient which in a laptop is very important
@@Alpha-fc3bo for you it might not be. For me it's the single thing that has this product completely off my list of contenders.
Is there anything like Thunderbolt for AMD?
This looks like it’s going to be an amazing learning tool for beginners, that’s awesome
Even those of us who aren't "beginners" can appreciate it. You may be able to get a machine working again after you pry apart adhesives, clean all the goop, bypass the tamperproof traps, remove and tap out a ton of rivets, and deal with a hundred hidden screws (plus their dozen obscure tool bits). But that doesn't mean you would want to.
Just imagine an AMD Apu version of this...
but please something like steam deck's apu.
I want APU's with RDNA2 instead of the long dead vega graphics that every pc processor gets (while PS5/xbox/steam deck get the much better RDNA2 architecture for the gpu part)
Then again thats on AMD to actually produce them, and yes such an APU in the framework laptop will be AWESOME
@@yannick2n49 sad but true.
Then again AMD itself could move its butt and bring out rdna 2 based apu's for laptop / desktop
I was gonna wait for Ryzen options, but this'd be hella better.
@@fenn_fren AMD is Ryzen what are you on about
@@xX_MC_OvU_PvP_YT_Xx But Ryzen processors and AMD's new APU are not the same thing.
I don't need a laptop right now but I want to support this. I need to support this.
Just purchased a new Ryzen Framework 13 (hope to get it soon.....) to replace a Macbook pro with burned ssd and out of warranty (need to replace the entire motherboard....)
It's one of the best engineered products I've seen so far.
This is an amazing product in my eyes. Truly deserving of that 10/10 score. I just really hope they are able to have a dedicated gpu in a future version.
Going to hold off to see if upgrade parts/integrated graphics are a thing for the next version, but the concept is amazing and even the practical benefit of swapping ports would be super useful. Top of the list for my next laptop for sure
Most laptops have the CPU and the RAM soldered onto the motherboard. So to do a CPU upgrade, you basically have to replace the entire motherboard.
@@farishanafiah8461
Which is to be expected of some laptops for the last 8 or so years.
@@farishanafiah8461Which, especially for x86, is way cheaper than the whole computer!
You know that peace of mind you have with your desktop computer knowing that if any part failed it will be easy swap thanks to it modularity this laptop bring the same feeling.
only minor improvement if they can make a socketed CPU & GPU (future upgradability) , also if in the same way you connected an extra port, you can connect an eGPU with a decent bandwidth it will be amazing.
I heard another creator stating why socketed cpu is bad.
1. It's an extra failure point. If soldered properly, CPU will outlast almost any other component in a x86 computer
2. People rarely upgrade their CPU
I'd say too that the soldered CPU is an upgrade. Sadly intel doesn't make socketed laptop cpu anymore so there goes that "improvement" option
@@houghwhite411 Also it would add to the thickness I guess
@@houghwhite411 the cpu will keep functioning, but it might become too slow... on the other hand, you could put in a new, faster one and not have to buy a whole device
@@emperorsgoldenboy3735 it's not the cpu is slow, it's the program made sloppily and web page bogged with junk scripts. CPU above 2018 should be able to last at least another 10 years for general computing
moden mobile cpu's don't come with the hardware required for it to be socket-friendly, so upgradable cpu's and gpu's is impossible unfortunately
Well if they made it so even if the sad version happens and you cant get the best processor next year, I think making it so you can install next models motherboard and processor in this years body would be a win. If they could capitalize on making it so you don't have to keep buying a new laptop for the upgrades, you can literally just install the upgraded parts, that would be awesome. And then just occasionally change the body, but the body could also be a part that could be upgraded. They'd potentially grandfather their customers in for a long time.
if i had money, i would buy it first of all to support them for this awesome setup, swappable modules, swapable components, cover for camera and hardware switch for microphone, big trackpad, these things hint to me they really tought about their customers, and how to give it something they deserve as tech user, second one because they announced arduino module, with which i thinker a lot, third for the probable posibillity of making your own modules... awesome, i really hope they grow big...
ingenious! Just ingenious, hands down. This will be my next laptop. 👍
This is the best thing I've seen this year.
Buy it then
@@hsvr I wish I could, but beiing 16 does have its downsides
Wouldn't say its a must buy, like none of us here wants to be an early adopter of something that is more likely to fail although what it offers is definitely very promising. Better to wait a while (maybe a year or two) and see more developments cause this repairable laptop is still in beta version in my opinion.
This is cool!! Crazy idea for the creators....a low profile mech keyboard switches option
They don't have enough resources to cater to a microscopic minority. They need to succeed with the general public or they will die.
@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart what do you mean with microscopic? Just on reddit the r/mechanicalkeyboards sub is shy of 1M users. Not saying it's mainstream but I don't think you're fully realizing the size of the community and especially how passionate they are and how much money spent on mechs
@@aromaticsnail it's still quite niche when you compare it to the rest of the market of casual users (1million isn't a lot imho) otherwise prices would be lower and limited Group Buys wouldn't still be a thing. If demand was substantial the switch and keycap prices would slowly decrease and there would be increased availability but that won't happen anytime soon because it is still a niche hobby. Heck even getting Krytox 205g0 was an issue for *months* when I decided to try to lube the linear switches. But I can see third party retailers offering something for Frameworks with a bit more keytravel. Thats the best thing about this laptop - it kinda opens up the options to explore what modularity could offer.
Oh and when I mentioned the 'casual' market I don't mean your average non-techie consumer, cause they will obviously not care for Framework anyway. I meant the users with a more casual keyboard preferences - cause there are tons of technology enthusiasts that don't really engage with the mechanical keyboard community
Just became a part of batch 5! Super excited! Love this idea!
I'm concerned about Framework's longevity as a company. I want them to live long enough for the things they do to get standardized but I'm skeptical about it.
I could see this as an alternative for companies that refresh their laptops every couple of years, instead of buying new ones, just upgrade the existing ones.
Granted they would need to be able to keep up with demand and also last for long, in terms of build quality
Imagine being able to upgrade your CPU/GPU on a laptop, without changing out the screen, ports the mouse pad and etc, just the one most important part...
Companies won't strike deals with a start-up, tho. Companies need to be extremely conservative to survive.
Well now, I may have found my next work laptop.
4:04 great news, they did just that. You can upgrade your laptop to a 12th gen processor by swapping the motherboard.
the only thing to keep in mind is that they promise that you can put a different mainboard into this thing later down the road with different gen cpus. which means that the port situation will stay for a while. the negative part about is that until know only single port adapters were shown (i dont know if they will release an adaptre with two usb c or two usb a ports). if there is a reason why they didnt release one yet (like not enough space) then sadly it wont be changed in future generations either, so you will only have those 4 ports which i found to be on the little side.
I will have to download the files for the IO module and see if I can get the old MagSafe connector into one of those modules, that would be amazing!
This was worth the wait 👌
You mean, you got one?
This actually made my day! so nice to see even a small pendulum swing in the opposite direction of glued together proprietary parts.
To me the only weird thing are these usb c ports, why not put two on the adapter, and why not have at least one permanent port, as you need it for charging? Other that that it is a dream that came true, cant wait for versions with AMD, ARM and RISC. 10/10
But what side do you want the charging port? Do you use your laptop on a desk with the plug on the left or the right... Etc. I see why they didn't make a steadfast charge port location.
@@brycetorian fine, what about the 3.5mm jack? with the usb-c ports at least, with one permanent port, you could still use a module to charge it on the other side. Anyway, its infinitely better than any other laptop on the market.
They cited two problems as for why they didn't do a 2xC module: power, and video. Getting two USB-C ports and the USB hub chip into a module is a tight fit, but it's doable, barely. But fitting that and the DisplayPort controller and the USB-PD controller in there is impossible. There are already people on their forums working on a simple barebones hub module that will get you 2xC, but you won't be able to do any video or power (in either direction) beyond half of what a standard non-PD USB-C port can deliver. But that's still useful, so people are working on it.
@@FinFET It already has a 3.5mm jack, and high quality DAC modules are in the works.
@@guspaz Nice, thanks for the info! about the 3.5 mm jack, was just to point out that it is permanent on one side, which would be a similar case for a permanent usb-c port
I need to see them continue to support this laptop and if they do that I will without a doubt buy one
Love the screen aspect ratio!
A magnetic bezel is such a cool idea
I’m interested how their pricing stacks up against non-modular laptops with the same specs.
Its more expensive. If you ONLY care about price/performance get a dell.
@@mutsukiaz Dell has better specs for the price, Lenovo has better build quality for the price. imho.
The CPU could be modular like older cpus but in the current day and age it’s impossible
Yeah, is this even an option for mobile from either of the big 2 anymore?
They can use desktop CPU, like the XMG but it will probably be thicker.
Well, you "could" have a socketed CPU, but then you'd be stuck with what your chipset supports anyways and since it would probably be a non-mobile CPU, it'd have to have its voltage/clock heavily tuned for power consumption...
@@ChuckNORRlS a lot thicker (like nearly double IMO) and it would produce more heat, for a laptop it’s just non-sense to include a swappable cpu, desktop sockets are just too think to be in a thin and (reasonably) light package.
@@Alex-hv3ir Correct XMG Desktop replacement are thicc af, If framework decide to go down that route in the future probably we will see a desktop CPU inside it.
But to be honest the repairability on this laptop is amazing and needs to be benchmark to other products (they can't play the it gonna be chunky if it's repairable card anymore) .
This video proves that ifixit has invested in Framework company. Good luck to this Great company. Hope this will come to india soon.
It's a 10. I'm happy to see this. I'll probably get the base model for my wife's next laptop as I can repair it (she breaks things). As for me and my usage, I want a laptop like this *but* I'll wait to see if there's a Ryzen 6xxx mobile CPU with thunderbolt for an egpu. If there is, and framework adopts, I'll pay whatever. I usually buy laptops that will not be replaced for many years ... longer than my desktop ... and so can wait.
They should never give up and should be consistent . Making the parts available all time
certainly need a new laptop rn and I'd definitely buy this if they had a dedicated gpu, will wait for few months though!
Hope this become mainstream. I don’t want this idea/product to die. Very well made. A perfect model for ultimate customisation.
Another thing, All screws are either color coded by length or captive, and at the top of the board they have 3 replacement screws, one for each length/color. Linus from Linus Tech Tips bought his own laptop on the spot and also invested over $250,000 to the company. I would keep an eye on this company!
All it needs is graphics and AMD board options and I'm sold.
I bought one of these and am on it right now. I love this thing! Putting the DIY kit together was easy and I loved the process. Every component on it works great. Not one complaint to make of it yet
I've pre-ordered the 16. Any updates from you one year later?
@mitchib1440 it's been trouble free this whole time. I use it daily. The only issues I've ever had with it have really been with running windows
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I ordered a 16, with no OS, and will install Linux. Maybe run Win if I ever needed it, in a VM.
But I have been running Linux for 20 months and have no need for Windows.
Can't wait to see the future of this company, it's hard to expect modular CPUs and GPUs, but these guys seem promising
Making a laptop motherboard with a CPU socket won't be that easy, although a replacable dedicated GPU is very possible given that framework could simply add a PCIe slot, say on the side for ex., basically a Flow x13 but with the connector on the inside of the laptop
@@mrmarker98 You can find the odd chunky windows 98 with a CPU socket in it but I think the problems associated with that are obvious. Although, thinking about it, you could in theory have a CPU that runs off of a PCI slot?
My friend, modular GPUs are here on the new 16 inch model
9.999999999999.../10 just because it's not available worldwide (yet). I really hope framework to become a huge company with dedicated stores worldwide without changing their approach to repairability and modularity, they are literally breathing a new life into laptop industry. I can't wait to get one.
I really want it to upgrade my workstation and it will be fun switching things around
I have a MSI modern 14
It's thin as heck, got all the reasonable ports, upgradable dual channel memory, easy to take apart, no glue on the battery pack, built out of sturdy metal and the display is easy to get at with the clip on bezzel
And I still envy this thing because getting parts for this one is so much easier
Holy crap this looks amazing! I've been thinking about getting a new laptop for when Win 11 comes out (since it's not compatible with my current device) and this looks an amazing option! The idea that you could just buy updates to parts rather than junking a whole machine is just :chef's kiss: . Time to go watch a bunch of reviews on how it functions as an actual machine!
Microsoft confirmed Windows 11 is compatible with any PC you just have to do a fresh install.
@@kwlkid85 I remember hearing earlier that you need at least a certain version of a certain security chip in hardware for Win11 to be compatible. Maybe things have changed since then, but I've already received an email from Microsoft saying my laptop will not be compatible with the new update.
@@Respectable_Username Microsoft wants every Windows 11 pc to have a TPM 2.0 chip but after a lot of backlash but has said they won't stop people manually installing it on PCs without the chip.
So hyped for this!
Some laptops that are already available are kind of repairable but disassembling is a huge pain in the ass if you don't have a lot of experience fiddling with all the different connectors, ribbon cables and screws.
The frameworks laptop changes that.
I love this concept. I'm hesitant for 2 main reasons: the total amount of IO isn't really enough for me (4 ports plus trrs). I'm also hoping they make a version with dedicated graphics in the future. I hope they make USB modules with 2 USB ports instead of one, perhaps a type c and a or 2 type c in one module. I still might consider one for my next laptop, but it's a tough sell even though I'm enthusiastic about it.
thankfully - there is now a large community of people who make open source IO modules.
if you have a 3D printer and a bit of patience, you could potentially create your own or use someones design for a dual-IO module - just bear in mind the risks they may pose to the internal hardware.
additionally, i have no doubts that the laptops will eventually have a dGPU within another year or so, sure its a long time but its not the end of the world if you consider the advancements of iGPUs so far either.
optionally, you can use an eGPU as a temp solution, though they cost a lot in efficiency due to the limited bandwidth of the USB ports.
you could also maybe even get a motherboard replacement that does have a dGPU combo but considering the size of the laptop, i feel like a 15" chassis is necessary for the capability of such things for thermal concerns and for the repair-ability.
hopefully they do remedy these things soon though, i currently bought one for myself, since i dont require to run games or do anything graphically intense besides web-development and software development or casual work. it is pretty handy and the expand-ability of the hardware is more than enough for me to take the chance on its future.
Just saying, but 2h ago they announced a 16" version with **modular** (hard to believe, I know) discrete graphics, 6 modular IO ports instead of 4 (though no headphone jack by default, it'll come as a module instead), and even more-er modular keyboard and touchpad and optional numpad 🤯
My current laptop is significantly more powerful than this, but I pre-ordered one on principle. Definitely wanna support this kind of initiative.
The only thing stopping me from getting it right now is that they don't have a trackpad with a buttons yet that you can add when they add that I'll definitely go for it over the Lenovos I use and recommend now and I will mention the framework to people who are indifferent with trackpad differences.
Why would anyone put Windows on this beautiful machine!
What i would like to see in the future, keep the same base frame, and just update the motherboards and sell them as an upgrade kit with a partial discount after sending in the old one. And since it is all usb-c based perhaps having an external GPU wouldnt be so bad, later tests come to mind. Im excited for this.
This is the laptop of Louis Rossman's DREAMS
Hahaha this dude that nonstop ranting against Apple!
no it's not, it would put him out of business! hahah j/k. this is one awesome laptop.
@@vasiovasio have you even watched any of his videos?
Has anyone told him about it?
@@ZambonieDude yeah he's seen it, he loves it
2:41 the port went YEET
A couple of other things I like is that they have spare screws inside the chassis in case you lose one and they provide schematics to make a case to use your old motherboard as a pc if you upgrade!
It has a 3:2 display as well. If I needed a laptop, I would buy this instantly.
I will absolutely buy one of these in the future if they put a good touchscreen with pen support and GPU in it! Really hoping that's their next step.
Amazing piece of kit, hoping for a ryzen version of this laptop and availability in more countries around the world!
Right, not sure why they didn't go Ryzen this time with it's better performance and better power efficiency. Maybe they couldn't source enough AMD chips
@@CallMeRabbitzUSVI Was prob in development for a few years, can’t just randomly change plans on a Laptop this ambitious so close to deadline.
@@CallMeRabbitzUSVI AMD only recently added onboard GPUs on their CPUs. So wouldn't have been possible to use them until very recently
Hope framework goes big, and please include gaming laptops and amd cpus please.
That is so nice, I'm keeping my 2011 gaming laptop for as long as it survives, but I'd consider this if I wanted to upgrade