Moana Theory: Why Didn’t The Ocean Return The Heart | Discovering Disney
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Isaac uncovers the thought process of the ocean in Moana.
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The ocean was the first entity to roam the earth. When the world's first island emerged as a goddess known as Te Fiti, countless new islands were created with the ocean serving as the force that connected them all. The ocean has a mind of its own and can form its water particles into a tentacle-like appendage to grab objects and these water arms can be used to mimic human traits such as head-nodding or high-fiving to communicate with Moana and her friends. The ocean is playful, fun and should be treated with respect for it feels and thinks like the rest of us and holds great power. But if this body of water is so grand, why when the world was plunged into darkness after the demi god Maui removed the heart of Te Fiti, did the ocean not just return the heart itself?
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I don't think the ocean COULD have returned the heart..after all, Te ka would perish or get very hurt when she was touched by water. The water would have had to touch her heart..most likely killing her. and THAT wasn't an option.
Expanding on this point, perhaps the heart had to be replaced with love. The water couldn't do it because it would just be forcing it back in which could make the goddess into a greater monster than before. The heart also had to be accepted by her as well which goes back to forcing the heart in. You can't just wedge yourself into someones life.
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That makes sense
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This makes a lot of sense but it's a heart right and maybe if it was forced in when she was still in evil mode it just would have made her more powerful and moana calmed her down and remained her of who she was and she was doing something wrong and she then allowed the heart bring the real her back and if the ocean tried to put it in Maybe te ka would just have grabbed it
Well if Te Ka took back the heart maybe she would still transform back into Te Fiti but like Mighty Toaster and Myth Spirit said the evil version and she might even try destroy the world!That sound's like it would be an interesting part of the twisted tales series.
I also like to believe the ocean couldn't return the heart because Te Kā couldn't touch the water and if the ocean return the heart perhaps it would kill her before she turned back into Te Fiti. Also, a human needed to return the heart so they could relearn how to sail again. With the help of Maui, like you said, could protect Moana from the monsters but also teach Moana how to sail so she could in turn teach her village. Just a thought! Great video!!
yeah... how do you touch someone who dies at your touch? *YOU GET SOMEONE ELSE TO.*
jumpergirls I think it's because the heart needed to be placed deep in a cave, and the ocean seems to have set boundaries. We never see the ocean travel more than a few feet to grab or touch something, it's unreasonable to believe it could climb off the floor and crawl or stretch to the cavern wall where the heart belonged.
jumpergirls GG
these were my exact thoughts
I think Maui needed to be there or at least help the journey so that Te Fiti could truly be healed, but your theory makes lots of sense too.
Also while Teka/Tifiti is immortal and cannot be killed by man the Ocean who I believe is NAMAKAOKAHAI could have killed her by accident because according to Hawaiian mythology the gods can kill each other so NAMAKAOKAHAI would need a prophet (servant of god) to work with Maui and restore the heart
What do you think?
i think i got none of that....
XD
WolfDragon and BritishBanana why though their GODS plus the ocean goddess is the goddess of the ocean not marine life so this death curse doesn’t affect her so why is she even helping!
what what what what what
On top of your great points I think the ocean really couldn't return the heart. First of all in the 'final battle' scene its shown that even the slightest contact with water causes Te Ka to scream in agony. So I'm sure the Ocean wouldn't want to hurt Te Ka knowing who she really was. Second, when Moana is singing to Te Ka she says "This is not who you are. You know who you are." This line (and song) always made me think that when Maui took the heart it made Te Fiti forget who she was. I don't think if the heart just washed up on the shore Te Ka would know what to do with it. She just knows that she needs it. (Third kinda) Even when we first see Te Ka the spiral on her chest is completely covered. Its only when Maui attacks Te Ka breaking his fish hook that you can even see it. So ya. Lemme know what you think ^w^
Makes way more sense
I have a theory. That turtle grows up and becomes Crush the turtle from Finding Nemo
Prime The Great I think this is way too much in the past.
Turtles can live far older than humans
Moana takes place before Jesus. (or little bit after).
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I think it was also important that someone reminded Te Ka who she really was, that meant someone with an actual voice needed to recognize her. The ocean has no voice, just returning the heart wasn't enough to restore Te Fiti.
can you do a full story about grandma tala
Letrell Disney i would like to see that
Letrell Disney I agree I want to learn more about grandma tala.
Letrell Disney Yeah, I was always wondering about the hippie grandma. Jokes aside, how did Tala know the future? How did she know Moana's purpose?
Harry Potter Emoji yes, yes! i agree so much!
Well, based on the deleted scene, her husband died while trying to restore the heart. She probably believed the story her whole life and after the one she loved was chosen by the ocean but then later failed, she was heartbroken and stayed determined to restore the heart and when Moana was born she started to believe again.
why does tefiti look like moana
now that i think about it, you're right!
Symbolism.
A lot of Polynesians have quite a similar look to each other most of the time. I guess that is what a Polynesian godess would like where as you know a Greek godess would look very European.
Great question... I thought that as well. Thanks for watching!
Redbandit your right....
Huh. My thought process with that was a lot simpler. T'kaa (not sure how to spell it, I think I got it right but not sure) couldn't touch water. The ocean did everything with water. The ocean couldn't touch T'kaa to return the heart and make T'kaa into T'fiti again.
Tamar Adelsohn my thoughts exactly
Te fiti te ká
why not have the ocean put the heart on a rock and have T'kaa pick it up from the rock
that's what I said
That what I was thinking
mulan's grandma is my spirit animal
I kinda figured that out. If the ocean touched the villain, Te Fiti could have died with Te Ka. That’s why a human is destined to return the heart to Te Fiti. That way, she could have returned to normal with no injuries.
your theory about the ocean makes senses
If The Ocean restored the heart itself, we wouldn’t have an awesome movie!
:D
True, but the real reason is that humanity must be the ones to make redemption for past errors when they stole away her heart. The ocean can give it to her by tossing it over dry land but Tifiti won't have the heart to forgive humanity.
Great theory! Aside from balance needing to be restored I think a human was also necessary because the ocean wasn't able to restore the heart. The ocean might have killed TaFiti if it tried or made things worse. So it chose a human to save Maui, Ta Fiti as well as mankind because it was necessary but also to make the world right again.
Ya know, I just realized this would be a great world for a kingdom hearts game, due to...ya know, the whole heartless' thing being taking peoples hearts and turning them into heartless
I would be so excited if Moana made Kingdom Hearts. If the third game takes long enough, maybe we will see it. Thanks for watching!
Wotso Videos yay
Yes
Maui clearly explains it in the move....
"The ocean is straight up Cooke-Dooks"
*seeing the title question, before watching vid*
Meh: BCUZ THE WATER IS L-L-L-LAAAAAAZY!!!
0:18 IS THAT DORY I SEE 😲😲😲
I think the ocean wanted to return everything to how it should be, as you said, also Maui said something similar in the movie. He said the ocean loved it when he pulled islands out of the sea so that Moana's ancestors would sail the seas and find them. All the new islands were connected by the water so the ocean may have wanted that to start again.
My belief is that the Ocean tried restore the stolen heart, but the insane Tafiti (sorry about the spelling) lashed out at any and all who approached her, including the ocean, which may have been the cause of the storms that put an end to the travels of Moana's people. The ocean eventually realized that whoever restore Tafiti's heart would first have to calm her down, and that would require a special person who would have to go on a journey of self discovery, a journey that would involve at least trying to get Mowie's help. (Once again, I'm sorry about the spelling.) Moana's grandmother had most of the qualities, but lacked in instincts of a way finder which would be essential since while the ocean could help, it could not hold the chosen one's hand to whole time. Moana showed that she had all that was needed when she protected the baby turtle so it could make it to the ocean, but not carry it since she knew that while she could help, the turtle would have to make the journey under its own power.
Hi Wotso, how are you? I love this video and I'm glad everything got fixed. I feel bad for Moana's dad and his people, they must have felt conflicted. Maui is a very naughty demigod and I feel he wouldn't have returned the heart of Tefiti if Moana hadn't escorted him and helped him get his hook back, so the ocean, Tefiti, Maui and her people needed her. Thank you so much for another amazing video. Hope you are having a magical day too.
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This makes sense, but the ocean also can't return the heart, even if it tried. Teka is lava, it can't touch water, so the ocean, being water, couldn't return the heart
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Goodie more Moana theory. Lol there's a short comic answering this theory already: its water, she's fire. Te Ka/Fire goes "ouchies" when water touches her. I mean I know the answer is water wanted to get the people to revive voyaging, moana needed to be the main character and all that jazz, And "the people of MotoNui is excited about being chosen by the ocean"?? What? They were excited with moana becoming the next chief, but I don't doubt that the people were excited on the thought about being the ocean's chosen one, but not all of them, of course or Moana that was the only one chosen, or the only chosen that succeeded.
I thought the flashback scene where Matai Vasa (moana's ancestor) voyaging took place before Maui stealing the heart, because somewhere after he stole it they all decided that it's too dangerous to voyage also knowing Maui isn't around anymore. I don't think the song We Know The Way is fitting for that scene then. But I like the theory that Moana's past family and other people was chosen, but none of them ever succeeded on reaching maui's island, let alone crossing the reef. I really like this theory, gotta say I think you expanded this for me a bit.
I have to say Wotso, I love how you made this theory in particular without overreaching or leaning away from the film's canon. Even though I think you were just stating the film in general, but there were so many viewers who didn't get this when watching the movie.
Edit: did you happen to notice that one of the sails in the cave had maui drawn on it? I read somehwhere that just having something on their sail just means good luck, but I couldn't help but feel like they made that one in particular to fetch maui on his island, but again personally I'm not sold with the theory that someone before moana met maui on his rocky island. If that's the case then he wouldn't still be on his deserted island or they'd be corpse around his island....dark.
I agree with you that the ocean needed Moana to find Maui in order to restore the heart and heal her people's fear of way-finding. And in the end, it wasn't even Maui, but Moana herself who had to find the courage to accept who she was...once she realized the truth (about herself and Te Fiti,) she was able to restore the heart and heal the islands, Maui, and her own troubled heart. But I don't agree that the ocean could have restored the heart of Te Fiti on its own. Perhaps it could have had Te Fiti maintained her original form, but she didn't....she became Te Ka...the Volcano Goddess. We see several times throughout the movie that the water caused Te Ka pain when it touched her....its water and she is fire and the two can't be entwined or she would die. That is also why when Moana learned the truth, she said "Let her come to me". She realized that Te Ka couldn't touch the water, so she needed the water to part in order to join Te Ka and restore the heart herself. If the ocean had tried to restore the heart to Te Ka, it would have only destroyed her.
I take it as the ocean didn't return the heart because it couldn't, the heart was in the middle of the island, so it needed help from man to be able to return the heart. also, the water and the lava monster (I forget the name, sorry) can't touch each other. or, the ocean just couldn't work by itself and needed someone to help control it. maybe only when the chosen one is present can the ocean act on its own, or by the command of its master.
Because of me thinking this I think there should only be two stones on the mountain:moana’s grandfather ‘s and her dad’s
Then why didn't they ocean just stop killing everyone and let someone return it? And why did it have to be someone from moana's village? Why not anyone else in the world?
Aislee Love Greenwood yeah that makes enough sense. I'll buy that. I guess since the matinuitans or whatever didn't HAVE the heart, part of the quest was finding it. the ocean could have just given the heart to anyone, but what makes a person worthy I wonder? saving a turtle? or some indomitable spirit you're born with?
Aislee Love Greenwood I'm one of those scorers, but you're really opening my eyes. I was thinking she couldn't be the only selfless or brave human in over 1k years, but the fact that she isn't a warrior or sailor could believably mean she was the first to empathize with tafiti instead of viewing it (her) as a monster to be defeated
I don't think the ocean was necessarily responsible for the deaths of the people from the village. With Ta Fiti's heart gone chaos was everywhere. Monsters, demons, storms, maybe even other gods after the heart were likely responsible. Maybe the ocean couldn't stop them.
Here's what I think the ocean gives people test and if they don't pass it they will never make the ocean is not good or bad it is what it is and it is ocean
Great theory man!! I believe Moana is my favorite Disney film!! Next to things like soul and frozen along with cars!!!
If the Ocean give back the heart to Tifiti, she still won't have the heart to forgive humanity. Forgiveness is not something easily received from someone who has a grudge from being robbed of something precious because of you.
i like to think the ocean was like " mmmm that is not my job" is the most sassy way
moui summed it up in one sentence the ocean doesn't help you you help yourself. man took the heart it was man's job to return it if that was your explanation that would have been a short video
This is a good video, but you've misinterpreted what that scene meant. Polynesian history is strange, in real life the Polynesians mapped islands all across the Pacific, and then for no reason stopped their massive naval exploration for 1000 years. That scene was in reference to what caused the Polynesian culture to end their naval expeditions, which was the heart being stolen. This scene was more than likely the final expedition that disappeared, causing the Polynesians to end their naval exploration until Moana was chosen and returned the heart.
This was very well done and now it makes more sense that how the ocean restored human's knowledge on sailing and redeeming Maui. = ) Could you do a video on Nala and Mheetu, Nala's lost brother? He was cut from the original Lion King movie, but what role would he have played in the story had his character been included? How would his presence alter character choices?
I think its because the ocean (and frankly no one else in the ENTIRE MOVIE) recognized te ka as te fiti, so the ocean didn't want to give te ka the heart because it thought that giving te ka the heart would be bad.
Moana is my favorite Disney princess cause she travels around the world like her ancestors and I love the ocean 🌊🌺
I love the way you make this so clear, and it is easy to understand!!
I always do my best to fully explain my ideas. I'm glad you are having an easy time following them! Thanks for watching!
Can you do Moana's dad full story! I am in love with your channel, Keep up the awesome work😀
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You have put this in such way that I'm now respecting this film more.
Understanding it more.
Thank you. :)
The real reason the Ocean couldn't restore Te Fiti's Heart was because as Te Ka she lashed out at everyone and everything that approached her. The video at th-cam.com/video/sHToFOt6OKc/w-d-xo.html shows her crawling towards Moana bent on destruction. Moana had to calm her down before restoring her heart, and to be able to do that Moana had to go on a journey of self discovery, an important part of which was convincing Maui to help. The Ocean would have realized this and been able to communicate it to someone who knew how to listen, such as Moana's grandmother, the Village Crazy Lady who, in addition to teaching the oral history to the children, would have had a hand in every tapestry made on the Island, including the one at the head of her death bed.
I hope someday you can connect all your theories together. But for now thanks for this puzzle piece :) ♥
Did anyone else hear "dat boi" instead of that boy
Theirs also the point that water couldnt touch taka without hurting and enraging it
I don't know if it was my ears messing with me but it sounded like you called the island Moana was in mata nui
if the monsters were released from the darkness then where was the darkness ?
I think that the ocean knew tiffiti was missing but didn’t know where to find her but also could not put it back even if the ocean knew that tiffiti was te ka as teka can not touch water and would likely hurt tiffiti
The creatures that are swimming in the water look like the creatures in ice age the meltdown
Maybe the ocean just wanted to teach maui friendship and teamwork
If the ocean returned the heart then that would be a high risk of plants dieing even more and if ocean returned the heart then that would result in the fate of land and the death of te ka
I think Moana could be a descendant of Poseidon. That's why she can summon the heart of Tefiti
The people of Motonui were voyagers long before Maui stole the heart of Te Fiti. Grandma Tala says that they stopped because of the darkness that spread after the theft. Also, the ocean GAVE Moana the heart of Te Fiti near the beginning of the movie so... how could her ancestors attempt the journey if they didn't have the heart?
LeeAnn Castle The ocean Could have taken the heart back and given it to the next Canidate after each attempt failed. It would pass it on to the next Canidate like it did to Moana. This scene could have played itself over and over again.
personally, I agree with many other people that the Ocean was incapable of returning the heart to Te Fiti. First because in her enraged Te Ká state the Ocean could not touch her without harming her. and Second, even if the ocean was willing to harm Te Fiti/Te Ká for the greater good [the greater good- SHUT IT!] I don't think the ocean was, how do I put it, 'ambidextrous' enough to put the heart back in it's crevice.
that's true power the ocean is friend with the girl
I think the first chief's son found a new island and started his own civilization there and the first chief and his people thought they died what do you guys think?
Story about Grandma Tala & the previous chieves!!
If the grandma has a spirt animal what about Moana? Or when she dies she will became one with the ocean? Well that would...COOL! anyways great video!
Great video. i think that moana wasnt the first his father and ancestor did it before but failed and moana is the only one that had success
Not even kidding, just yesterday when I rewatched the movie I thought about why the ocean didn't just put it back itself. Creepy but cool 👽
Well that worked out really well! Thanks for watching!
I bet the entity in the ocean was the ghost of Moana father friend.
Maybe It’s because the ocean is water and Te-Fiti turned to a lava monster.. plus if the water brought it back touching Te-Fiti she would get hurt and possibly DIE! And then what’s the point of bring the heart back if she is dead... But good theory anyway!!
Also (for real though) the ocean is made of water Te Kā couldn't touch water so if the ocean tried it could kill Te Kā (Te Fiti) in the process
does all of the people in moana's island turn into sea creatures by their tatoo? u know cause moana's grandma turn into a masta ray.
Hello I am tafiti now GO FIND MY HEART!!!!!!! - Tafiti 2017
Maybe when Te-Fiti's heart was removed the Ocean's powers dimmed, so much so that it couldn't actually return the heart.
and then after actually watching the video, I come the conclusion that this is entirely possible.
Fact: Unlike Te-ka and Te Fiti, the ocean doesn't have a human-like appearance. -So.... what if the ocean couldn't change into its human-like form because it was weakened. Water 'powers' everything. Even humans are made of- what- 80 percent of water. So, the loss of Te Fiti, the loss of life, wouldn't that weaken the ocean.
And then we go off of what Wotso said about Moana's family having been trying to return the heart throughout the generations. In another theory, Moana was chosen after going through a few trials, her boat crashing the first time around, saving the sea turtle, etc.
And then there is the necklace, the same necklace that is just about the perfect size to carry the heart of Te Fiti. So, when Moana's ancestors failed, the heart and necklace were returned to the sea, only for the sea to return the necklace yet again to the village, so the village could choose a new champion.
Then again, this was totally a thought, and I am very likely to be wrong.
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No. The world needed her to fix what Muaui did,etc.
My theory: they needed it more dramatic and longer XD
um guysss... im not a hater, but lets just make it quick. hes taking to long to explain.why didnt the ocean return the heart itself to Te Fiti? bcoz Te Ka is actually Te fiti. and, Te ka is a LAVA MONSTER. water could beat a fire or lava. but this time, the water couldnt bcoz however, Te Ka can restore the heat on her body.. just like when maui cut her hand and it grows back :) but Te Ka is afraid of water to tho. im not rlly sure.. but thats my opinion
pls dont hate. its just my opinion
Theory on Ursula’s necklace and the heart of Te Fiti symbol, it looks so similar
Your analogy is the best one that I've seen so far it's incorrect of course but most of it is true you are better than the other guy's channel he's got lame excuses on why the ocean did not return the heart. You were a lot more accurate
Because Ocean-kun is a Phantom Thief. I bet..... you never saw it COOOOOOOOOOOMMINNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!
Ocean=Chaotic Good/Chaotic Neutral
The ocean can't return the heart because we see that the lava monster I forget her name can't touch the water therefor a human needs to replace the heart so that the lava monster can take the heart back cuz as we know the lava monster is tefiti
I do enjoy a good theory, but often your theories have holes that just don't add up. If the ones that wore the necklace that was passed down through generations didn't make it, then how did it continue to get passed on?
Could you rephrase the question. I don't really know what you mean. The necklace was created by the voyagers to hold the heart. Eventually it was passed down to Grandmother Tala, but since Moana's father hated the idea of voyaging she kept it for herself. Thanks for watching!
No problem! Sorry, for poorly describing. Ok So the necklace gets passed down right? It goes from chief to chief generally. It goes to one that sails out, and does not return. The people stay on the island and get further and further from their history as travelers. Grandma magically has the passed down necklace that was supposedly lost to sea when voyagers seeking the heart never returned.. How does it get passed on if it is lost?
Could you do another theory on Star Wars?
What are you thinking for it? I have trouble coming up with ideas I could explain in such a vast universe. Thanks for watching!
Hey, can you do Brave, The Sword in the stone, or Alice in Wonderland, or Oz
Just posted a Brave theory! Here it is: th-cam.com/users/edit?o=U&video_id=cnkrIQaGfFU Thanks for watching!
Tafiti is part of Fantasia 2000, she battles with the volcano
Why are we just going to ignore that the rock just basically tricked some 16 year old or something and trapped her in a cave where he didn't even expect her to get out of and just took her only means of transportation to anywhere.
Does nobody else think that Moana and her dad's necklace forged together would make the necklace the ancient chief has? Just me? Okay then
Why does taffiti look like moana
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The ocean can't return the heart because the water can't touch Te Ka without hurting her.
No here's why it the ocean returned the heart the world would be saved but voyging would still be gone and Maui would have never got his book and become a better person and it only stop taka
Why didn't the ocean return the heart it's self
CAUSE EVERY FREAKING TIME THE OCEAN TOCHES TE KA/TE WHITI IT HURTS HER
I don't think that's why it😎💧
Why didn't the Ocean return Te Fiti's heart? Why did it drown Tui's friend? Because it's the ocean; humans die when submerged in her, not because she is evil or even bad, but simply because she is the ocean. Likewise, water does not carry rocks, but sometimes it may make some certain rocks wash up on a shore. Human logic and morality can seldom, if ever, be fully applied to forces of nature.
Yes please do a full story on grandma tala. Latrell Disney, great idea. And jumpergirls great comment.
the ocean wasnt able to even touch taka cause she was lava and it would hurt and w/out the haert ofcourse she wouldnt tuyn back into tajiti
Who knew head-nodding and high-fiving were traits? I thought they were actions.
Teka hates the water, so the ocean couldn't restore it. Boom.
I think The Ocean need man to help return the heart. Ta ka is a Lava Demon. and ocean is water. as shown in the movie there was no way ocean could interact without hurting Ta Ka which is Tahit's other form. and we are told the ocean is kind and mischivious it knew it couldn't do anything
The ocean couldn’t return the heart of Te fiti because it hurted Te ka when it touches her, as simple as that
Something I don't get is how Te fiti is te ka. At the beginning of the of the movie, the Grandma explains it like they are 2 different people. can someone explain please?
Jean-Luc Abito When Tafiti lost her heart she essentially was destroyed. Since the gods can not die, she continued to exist but was transformed into the heartless demon Takal. When she was restored her demon identity was destroyed.
if the ocean restored the heart of tifiti then there would be no movie
I think it's because the ocean would have harmed the lava monster if it tried to restore the heart. When the monster get water on her it harms her
Guys I noticed the necklace and moui's necklace if u put them together it turns in to the chief necklace
could you explain Te Fiti and Te Ka and Maui's fishhook?
Could Wotso Videos do how moana's grandma got the heart
do an origin story on Maui
He's already got one, the New Zealand natives the Maori's have their version in detail, there is a video on You Tube explaining it I'm sure. Maui is told through out the Polynesian islands including Hawaii and others but Maui is a well known demi god in the Polynesian culture
Jayde Kinkaid What about Moana's father?
Cool vid Isaac!
Thank you! I'm happy you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
But when you said it was the ansester’s chief who found the island it got me thinking
U r totally true if the ocean did it it would have been pointless they needed to do it themselves to move on and grow as people and as a leader for her.