The Darksiders series is not only unique in its concept, but for its potential to become legendary. Imagine if different studios worked on the different horsemens’ combat? If only they had a larger budget allocated towards MOCAP, coop implementation, fleshed out stories! I hope publishers don’t abandon this, because after all, Strife still needs his game .
I honestly believe we will not be seeing Strife get his own game. Darksiders 4 just sets the series up too perfectly to make a game with all 4 of the horsemen in it.
@@MayorHairBear A proper 4 player coop would still be amazing. The big question would be what style of game: A L4D style, a twin stick "Darksiders Genesis", or an RTS XCOM type. Let's just hope any publisher out there is ready to take the risk to produce one!
@@magnanimae5408 Genesis was a spinoff, we should be getting a main game with strife, then another game with all 4 especially because 3 was profitable.
@@nbonasoro Genesis definitely struck me as an easy way to excuse not giving Strife a full fledged game because it introduced his character and gave him enough dialogue for the team to essentially go “alright, you guys know who he is, now we can make the real game”
Every Darksider starter pack: 1. Hack n slash combat 2. Important Intro Boss with good storytelling 3. Well thought Puzzles 4. The Problem always involves the Council 5. Ya boi Vulgrim with amazing deals 6. You play as a Horseman. 7. You ride a horse sometime in the game. Darksiders 3 doesn't have #7.
Yeah Fury is a one of the 4 horseman, riders of the Apocalypse. Horses are cool. In fact they could have killed off the horse and Fury would find a new one or something. But yeah this game was disappointing, especially with the whole choice of things for Lord of Hollows and Abraxis. Because how would that translate into future games that take place after these events if any are made.
People were upset that the game was different. Then there were the people who simply cannot accept any strong female characters, no matter how written. Me? I was just happy for a 3rd. I enjoyed it, but I know why others did not
@@dwrdwlsn5 Jesse faden from control Sonya blade and she was a strong female character even in the 80s when mk was still new besides who can hate her after she goes all protective mom figure for the humans?
@@moreauclement9702 its a really sad state of affair. It would be very ironic to end the franchise before the big finale but expect everything. I never was one to ride the hype so im still very cautious but a part of me always expects to see DARKSIDERS 4 trailer pop up at any moment.
I think it's about art direction and generally how the game feels and looks. They've changed engine from their homebrew to UE4 and Joe Madureira also wasn't working on it. Hence it just doesn't *feel* the same.
I do like how the combat of each game emphasizes how differently each Horseman fights. War is a massive juggernaut with 11 health bars. He can block, parry, or just armor through enemy attacks. He smashes enemy defenses through the sheer force of his attacks. He cleaves through hordes of enemies with ease. Death is a whirling dervish of blades. While much squishier than War, he's by far the fastest of the bunch. He excels in keeping the pressure on with constant attacks and never letting up. He has various magical abilities and great mobility that let him deal with crowds easier. Fury is a precise duelist. Being slower than Death, she relies on more precise dodges rather than dashing half-way across the arena. She specializes at creating openings and counterattacking, picking apart her enemies' weaknesses. She struggles against larger groups, mostly relying on Wrath attacks to clean out the fodder so she can keep her focus on the more dangerous enemies. I do wonder how they'll characterize Strife's combat in Darksiders 4. Sure there's Genesis, but the overhead isometric camera skews it a bit, and he shares the gameplay seat with War.
Your spot on mate and it is refreshing and helps distinguish the Horsemen really well. I'm with you though, Strife is a whole heap of unique from the others and I don't know exactly how he'd play if they were to go 3d with him
Genesis is a good showcase for Strife. War plays almost the same as he did in the first game so Strifes attacks are what you’d expect in his own game. Him being mostly invested in his long range weapons(pistols) and his smaller blades being there mostly to keep smaller enemies off him so he can stay at long range. He also has swifter dodges much like Death’s.
If 8 out of 10 humans find a turd and don't want to keep it in their house there is always two that will keep it stinking up the house. Those two will have insane reasons to keep a smelly turd in their house. And the other 8 will look at them like they are insane, in the end of the day those two people will be happy and that's all that matters. Hopefully they will make better games to keep the majority of the fan base happy, there is way more money in doing so.
@zachboardman736 I'd say it means you are in the minority of fans liking the game. It was a failure for a reason, and you're the reason the industry is in the gutter right now. They are making games for a target audience that's happy to have a controller in their hand instead of a dumbell, set of tits, lawnmower, and hammer.
@@brentmichael4770Well, most of the steam reviews on the game are positive, so i doubt that the majority is disliking this game. It's just those long-term fans that don't like that it is a souls-like.
Idk i think darksiders(war) fans had a bit of an adjustment period for the change to D2(death) and it was a long wait for 3 but this soulslike change..... Eh love this game tho
Well, the thing with Fury is, when you first see her, you understand right away that she's not like her brothers. But perhaps it's more accurate to say that her brothers weren't like HER. After all, War, Strife and Death were unique among the Nephilim, in that they had no interest in marauding around the known worlds, killing everything they saw just for the sake of killing. That's why they agreed to the New Pact, so they could put a stop to the slaughter. Fury, on the other hand, was EXACTLY like the other Nephilim. She only agreed to the New Pact because she had sense enough to see the writing on the wall...and she knew that if SHE didn't sign on, somebody else WOULD...and she decided she'd rather make a deal than be dead. But then, as Darksiders III draws to a close, you see Fury graduate from being a Nephilim to being a HORSEMAN, probably for the first time ever. Unfortunately, this metamorphosis is kind of one of the main plot holes of which you speak. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love where Fury ends up, too. And I understand how the whole point of the story is for her to see herself in the Seven Deadly Sins, as she takes each one of them on, and ultimately come to the realization that she just doesn't want to be that way anymore. But you don't actually see her EXPERIENCE anything in-game that calls for that level of introspection. She just changes and grows, primarily, because the game SAYS she does. Meanwhile, we're sitting there going, "Uh...I'm sorry? I was there with you the whole time. When did YOU allegedly learn these lessons?" At least, that's just MY thinking on it.
We definitely see her change. Lust exposed it more than any of them. ''Lust showed me what I could become. It's not who I want to be.'' Fury does still have a soft spot for her brothers. She only realizes it once she sees them bastardized and on their knees. That's where he introspection begins.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Well, I'll grant you that scene revealed a soft spot for her brothers that she never truly acknowledged before. But as far as actually seeing her WANTING to improve, that was kind of the beginning and ending of it. She only really overcomes the temptations of Sloth and Gluttony because the whole idea of her just sitting around, doing nothing and growing fat is just completely counter-intuitive to her essential nature as a Nephilim. Sure, the story has her acknowledging that not working on her failings was, in itself, its own type of laziness. But it wasn't out of her gaining any altruistic desire to become a better person, over the course of the game's events. It was just her feeling sorry for herself in the final chapter after she realized Envy had been setting her up the whole time and she never saw it coming. We don't see her experience anything in-game that would encourage her to work on her anger issues and quit being such a hothead by the time she goes into Round 2 with Wrath. The fight starts and somehow she just acquires this abundance of self-control. And it's never exactly revealed just what wisdom the Lord of Hollows was trying to impart to her, throughout the entire ordeal. Evidently, Fury at least appears to understand, but we, the players, aren't really let in on it. I'm just saying, you know? It would have made Fury's metamorphosis from Nephilim to Horseman feel a lot more organic if those points had been added.
@@TheStraightestWhitest She also learns that War was truly innocent and that the Council's will is not as absolute as the Balance is portrayed to be. The Council, after being tricked by Lucifer through Abaddon, were desperate to take control of a situation that presented itself through the conspiracy and one-by one they're matriculating courses of events in a desperate hope to maintain their place of power. But all parties are starting to learn, humanity was being taken out of the equation.
I understand why the player base is divided on Darksiders 3 but I really did enjoy it the second time around, I think many fans need to give it another go!
I've played out 4 times for various reasons. It doesn't deserve anything from the fans. A lot of people didn't like the look, story, character, or gameplay- either all combined or separately in a vacuum. I certainly didn't. They're entitled to that, it's generally a downgrade from the previous two games.
I find each game to be fitting to their respective horseman. War is straightforward and no nonsense so he gets a straight to the point no sidequests game. Death is considered the strongest and in game you can get absurdly powerful with some gear combos. Fury was considered the weakest so she got a game that would whoop ass the most. It works out real nice.
I played darksiders 3 last year when it came to games with gold and i loved the game. I never played the 1st 2 darksiders but i hear they are better so i gotta check them out.
Darksiders TWO was the BEST. I really liked the RPG elements like stats, skill points and the several special attacks you had. DS 3 is a step down, i mean DS 3 offers no skill tree, no special attacks all you do i ONE fury attack at a time instead of several like in DS 1 and 2 and ohya DS 3 has nog gear like DS 2 had.
Goes without saying but another fantastic video! Darksiders 3 was a strange one for me, the difficulty I was not expecting and if I’m honest I’d rather they went back to something akin Darksiders 2. That being said, I ended up really enjoying DS3, I think your point about Fury’s character arc is spot on as well!
Man, I hated this game first play through. On my 2nd and 3rd play through, I still think this is the worst Darksiders game out of the franchise so far lol. Thought Fury was a terrible protagonist and her character development was predictable af. I agree with you greatly that War and Death were not incarnations of their namesake. War was stoic and duty bound, getting the job done even though he knew he was being played for a fool. Death was sarcastic, talked way more, and fiercely loyal, when he said he would storm the white city to rescue War, you believe it. IMO, no thought was put into Fury at all, they chose the obvious/safest route and she was dull for it. Again, my opinion, but a better route would easily be a play on "Hell hath no Fury like a woman scorned" would have put her more inside the world the first 2 games built up. The retconning was pretty bad too, and they did my boy Ulthane dirty! They removed his rough attitude and made him hella passive and "supportive." Ulthane from Darksiders 1 wouldn't have put up with any of Fury's shit, and would've gotten right up in her face and dared her to make the first move. I will say, I did like seeing all 4 Horsemen together and that Vulgrim got his personality back. Overall I thought this story was pretty lackluster and just thrown together because a plot was needed. Outside the story, I agree that the overall gameplay feels like it's missing something and doesn't feel like a Darksiders game. While I get why the devs went with a Souls-Like gameplay, Soulsborne popularity was high af at the time, but I feel like gameplay similar to Devil May Cry would have been better for this one. Keep the attack combos, like from the first two games, but add the ability to chain them together, awesome looking, and add a combo rank system. I'm always shocked to hear people that like the first 2 games liked this game as well, but to each their own. I ranted a lot in this comment but thank you for the video! I love this franchise and this reignites my passion for the games :)
Didn't watch the video yet, but gotta say, I believe they should've stuck to the formula of the first game, which is a god of war clone with the diffirent flavour, and improved and built up from that, instead of changing the formula each game (a slasher, an action RPG with leveled items, and a souls-like). Maybe instead of dedicating each game to each horseman, they could establish some basis for all 4 characters and then tweak it for each of the characters to suit their style and put them as diffirent episodes in one game, so we could see some chemistry among them. I also just hate, that the cliffhanger of the first game was left unresolved for 3!!!! Games!
Fun Fact, the original gameplay concept for the first Darksiders was for you to be able to choose 1 of the 4 Horsemen and play cooperatively with your friends through the game. It was back in 2010 and I think it was Joe Mad(?) that said they just didn't have the tech to do it and make the game fun. So they instead went with 1 Horsemen per game to keep the game play engaging and fun. Personally, I want Strife to have his own game.
Hell Yeah! more Darksiders from the man who makes the best retrospectives. Darksiders 3 was different but as someone who fellin love with the Souls games in between Darksiders 2 & 3 I absolutely loved the combat chnage and the challenge. The game hands down has the best AI and most well designed world. I loved having no mini map and great landmarks. The puzzles and platforming is even more natural plus I love the metroidvania style. In case people say they just jumped on the souls cline train that's not true actually the lead game director was a huge souls fan and decided he would like that to be the direction they went in. Darksiders 3 probably alsobha some of the best boss design in the series honestly. Most bosses in DS2 were easy and DS1 was all gimmicks. The Darksiders series has always been a drastically different game with each entry. Obviously the game is different and how you feel about 85 as a Darksiders game is entirely your individual opinion but for mebit took the puzzles, combat, and exploration of every game and brought it to a new level for better or worse in some ways.
Darksiders 3 maybe weak in gameplay department, but it makes it up in story and lore department. Fury is the only horseman who shows clear character development while playing the game . She began as furious, incapable of remorse , cocky but ended up being a great protagonist .
The game literally breaks lore. First we are told that Death sacrifices himself to restore humanity, and then they change their minds, make Death's sacrifice pointless and tell us that Fury and Ulthane saved humanity. And what is a "maker tree"? Why haven't we seen any in the Forge Lands? You know, where the makers literally come from? Oh and we learn from the Archon that the Charred Council forbade travel to Earth in order to protect humanity, even burned Earth's Tree of Life. And Darksiders 3 retcons that too and tells us that the Charred Council plotted to exterminate humanity, because reasons. Darksiders 3 is weak in everything, except the art direction.
@@Hynotama maybe u haven't paid attention, fury saves the last surviving humans meanwhile death save humanity as a whole and gave the species another chance and darksiders 3 takes place before darksider 2 so it doesn't break the consistency.
Fun fact: Last time, "it requires all four" horsemen to defeat a weaker Seven. Shows how powerful Fury really becomes. According to the official summary, "proves" herself even as "the most powerful of the horsemen".
Death still claps her in seconds. But yeah, she becomes very powerful. Death is on another level though. He singlehandedly killed a force that was literally ending universes in Corruption. A concept so strong it was erasing other concepts, even Death. That's insane. And Death did that without his full powers or even his own weapon.
Catching up on this, was sad to hear you didn't enjoy Darksiders 3 the first time, it's definitely an acquired taste I think, even if you do like Souls likes. You already know previously I really enjoyed this game. BUT I am also pissed by it because I was aiming for 100% completion, and I played at a time some of the trophies were bugged. And so I played on the hardest difficulty and BEAT IT on it too... But the trophy never popped, not even retroactively, not even if I try to go back to the checkpoint. So I need to do the WHOLE GAME AGAIN to get it. Maybe I will, I don't know. I love the game, but I don't know if I love it enough to do hard mode again 😩
Oh the trophy and achievement bugs are why I gave up on hunting long ago. That sounds like an absolute pain and I don't blame you for not wanting to rush back into the game 😂But yeah I enjoyed this game a lot more than I remembered, good game!
You actually get 8 weapons if you do the dlc and a few of them for me personally are way better then the main game ones. I mostly had a mix of dlc and main game weapons when I played.
Combat was so fun, dark souls feelings and one whole world full of explores, zelda perks and new side weapons. This game is so underrated. Today they do stupid lazy games and after you see what Darksiders 3 did. We dont have games like these any more. Be humble ppl. If u dont see a product's real value, u will only get more assasins creed games. Cuz publisher will understand actually you dont understand a real value in the end.
I literally started playing it some days ago, and I started from the 1st on Apocalypse difficult, 2nd too and now this. Aaaand... This crap is literally Dark Souls Even Harder Than Normal difficult 😓
I actually loved Darksiders 3. I think this is a perfect example of how a darksiders game turned soulslike is done right, when taken that new road. They took a risk and I think it paid off when comparing the other soulslike games out there. Another reason I enjoyed Darksiders 3 is it seemed to have much more emphasis on it's fun combat system and way less on the puzzles, unlike the first 2 Darksiders games, which also had fun combat as well aside from the many puzzles they're known for.
I really like this game. 100 percented it on Steam. I really don't understand why it got so much hate. Maybe because of the initial performance issues and that some fans can't deal with or don't like the souls like gameplay. Well performance issues are mostly fixed and the gameplay is really good if you judge it on its own terms. I don't think that the game deserves as much negativity as it got. In my opinion it lives up to the other two games. I actually like Darksiders 1 & 3 more than Darksiders 2, since DS 2's quest design was pretty stale and the frequency of climbing around and solving puzzles was to high for me or maybe i just perceived it in this way, since i didn't enjoy going into dungeon after dungeon which didn't feel substantially different or really unique, like it is the case in Darksiders 1.
Very enjoyable, underrated game. If I had to make 3 critiques: 1) The absence of the Horse (for virtually the whole game) greatly diminishes its "Darksiders feel" and curtails exploration. 2) Ditching the amazing loot system of the second game (or even a variation of it) felt like a massive let down. 3) They should have better implemented the Jump as a second defensive mechanic in combat - or had some other rock-paper-scissors mechanic to add variety and depth. Hopefully we get to see Darksiders IV at some point, maybe they will even do a Kickstarter for it.
I can understand when people say it is not a Darksiders game. Personally I see this very differently because every game so far massively changed some aspects of the previous one so it is hard to even pinpoint what a darksiders game is. The original purpose was a more mature Zelda with Hack ´n slash elements. Then Darksiders 2 rolled along and brought in a lot of rpg systems and bigger maps already skaling down the Zelda aspect somewhat. Lastly 3 brings in Metroidvania style gameplay and changes the rpg mechanics to be more soulslike to acomodate the metroidvania style. Now which of these would qualify as THE Darksiders experience? I would say none of them since all of them offer very different gameplay experiences. It is truly up to personal taste. My favourite is definitely 3. While Death is my favourite horsemen in pretty much every category his game itself has a lot of flaws I just can´t get past every time I try to play through the game again. Meanwhile Darksiders 3 pretty much gives me everything I like: A more character driven story instead of plot driven, Metroidvania style gameplay and a more deliberate and methodical combat system. Now slap Death into that gameplay system and it would be the perfect Darksiders game for me. That is not to say it does everything perfectly. Oh it absolutely does not. It just caters more to my tastes than the others and that is why it is my favourite of the trilogy.
Another excellent review, and I'm glad you were able to appreciate the game on a second playthrough. Changing up the gameplay mechanics in a franchise is always a risky move, but I guess the devs felt like the Darksiders 2 style was outdated and they needed to go with what's currently more popular. Speaking of franchises that changed their style, it would be interesting to see you cover the Castlevania Metroidvania-era games. Those were actually the games that got back into gaming (I was a gamer as a kid, gave up video games entirely in high school, and then became a gamer again in my 20's after discovering the Metroidvania games.)
Thank you my friend, as always I appreciate your support! In regards to Castlevania, I've never actually played any of them aside from the Lords of Shadow games (which I was going to revisit but it was... not my favourite game to put it gently) I am very interested in playing games like Symphony of the Night though and I think that could very well be a "So I Finally Played..." in the near future.
I get what your saying my man, a lot of peoples expectation for Darksiders 3 was disappointing, at first I was frustrated because the game kept loading at first and it took forever to progress into the game, after a while, I gave it a second chance and I was a little pleased with the game but you are right though, it doesn’t stack up to Darksiders 2 and the fact that Michael Wincott voiced death. If any of you who don’t know who that is, he’s the main space pirate in Alien Resurrection with the deep voice
I tried to play darksiders three for a little while and could never get into it tbh. Loved both other darksiders games tho! I even bought a book expanding the lore of the universe as well!
@@ShadowKamehameha32 it’s called Darksiders: The Abomination Vault. It takes places ages before the events of the game in the middle of the horseman’s primes and it primarily follows death as he gets into cool conflicts with the other characters
Fury really took me out of the game early. The way she is towards War at the beginning made me so upset. All I could hear was Death saying...."My brother War....I would protect him above all". It seemed like she didn't give a damn about her brothers and just wanted to rule over them.
Thats her whole character in the first place. She doesn’t care unless she gets to lead them. But changes her mind when she realises that she is just a massive dick.
Her personal growth is the whole point of the game. The sins she defeats are also within herself, reflecting her inner journey. War and Death were already mostly developed and, instead of finding themselves, they explored outward, revealing mysteries while holding on to their purpose.
The souls like style almost made me quit the game, because I couln't defeat the first boss. (I hate souls like games) I was so happy to have the game at release date and than that happened. I played it just because I had spend so much money on it. Too much bugs, unlikable main character, so often got lost in the game, to summit up, too much frustration. I will give the game a try again, but like you said, it feels too alien.
As a combat junkie, DS3 was my favorite of the 3 right away. I thought 1 and 2 were extremely different already so I never thought this didn't feel like Darksiders.
as a fellow combat junkie, i wanna know your thoughts on the first darksiders game, i constantly see it getting flamed on unfairly imo, how do you like its combat ? also, have u played "Kingdoms of Amalur : reckoning" , that game honestly has one of my fav melee combat ever in gaming in general. i did a whole longsword only run and it was amazing. the enemy variety is insane and the variety is meaningfully implemented, and the game is huuge. has tons of combo moves, perfect blocks, dodges but without i-frames or stamina, satisfying hit feedback and impact effects etc. i give my solid recommendations for that game dont let the first hour of the game fool you. the game is absolutely underrated. - a fellow combat wh^0re
@@btchiaintkidding7837 I played Amalur long ago but I remember breezing through that game, I guess the combat was good enough for me to beat it but I don't remember much tbh... As for Darksiders 1, it had solid combat, nothing special but it was enjoyable, great game feel at the very least.
Darksiders 3 isn't a bad game. Those that say it was, never played it and/or were too stuck on the DS1 gameplay. In the age of the 'soulsbourne' games, DS3 should get more attention and recognition.
Yeah.. on release I could not wait to get my hands on this, I really, really like Darksiders, Darksiders 2 is on my top 5 games of all time and, so, when I booted this up for the first time, I played couple of hours, quit the game and was thinking "why? why did they do this like this? why?" It took a few years before I gave it a second chance and I'm super glad I did.. I ended up really liking this and have now beaten it multiple times and can now say that I'm glad they did the way they did 😄 Also, I'm pretty sure Lust is a dude..
I greatly enjoy DS3. I dislike the vast emptiness of of DS2. DS3 is tight packed and challegingly fun, even though it deviate from the formula and rough around the edge. I prefer the story progression of DS3 over DS2 as well. In DS2, corruption felt like it just jumped out of the blue. Death doesn't felt developed through out his journey as he rarely show his soft side.
Game holds a special place in my heart unfortunately the last present my brother got me before he past unexpectedly , shit i played for alot of hours i put it on the hardest mode too
Darksiders 3 with classic combat is really fun and i keep comboing enemies to death. The new hollow alternatr weapons are even better. They need to increase the full gsme speed by just 15% and it would be really good.
@@MayorHairBearHaha, in my opinion Darksiders 2 is the weakest of the three. I don't know, i just feel like the game was too big, and had to much quantity, lowering the density of quality content. The dungeons just didn't do it for me, maybe because it was just too much or maybe because i didn't feel like the dungeons where substantially different from each other. Maybe both factors play a role. If Darksiders 2 would have been more compact i think i would have enjoyed it more. I think that the empty and non-engaging overworld hurt my experience, because just going from dungeon to dungeon felt so formulaic.
It's one of those games that I absolutely hated on release, yet found to be really good upon returning in several years. The addition of classic combat mode, NG+, different armors and, above all, Keepers of the Void with its focus on puzzles made the game feel so, SO much better for me. GG to devs. Now if only those lazy hacks would finish patching Darksiders 2.
I hated puzzles but D3 was the easiest for me regarding puzzles, and thats a good thing. I like the game. I wanted to love the first 2 games but the puzzles over combat ruined it for me.
Tldr.... It's a good game... It's a good souls like alternative game... I found that the hard way... Souls farming for upgrades... Limited healing items... Healing items cost more the more you buy apparently.... You have a flask like item that DOESN'T refill on a check point. The lack of a linear path... I'm fucking lost in a darksiders game apparently.... The stat upgrades hardly do anything... The minimal attack combinations and the lack of SKILLS... The precise dodge mechanic... Yeah... This game isn't darksiders it's darksiders with darksouls as a base... I quit playing once I found myself running around in a cricle unable to progress further and have found every possible path that I can take. I may pick it up again just to finish the main quest but damn... Among the 3 games so far... Fury's power seemed weaker than her brothers.
I always appreciate when people get past the original hate hype on Darksiders 3 release and can find love and enjoyment in the game. As a fan of the franchise, I was sooo bummed out by all the negativity when the game released that I didn't even bother to pick it up. At least, not till about a year later. I got it on discount and booted it up with very low expectations. It took a little bit to get going, but man, I didn't realize that the game was tailor-made for me. That's what it felt like. It hit the spot so perfect. It really quickly became my favorite in the franchise, which I know is super unpopular. Darksiders 3, up until very recently, was my favorite non-FromSoft soulslike (just being beaten out by Lies of P, and maybe Lords of the Fallen reboot, and Black Myth: Wukong on the way)
I was shocked that this game came out. Ultimately, I think the first one is still my favorite. But I immediately was in love with the return to earth and the Book of Revelations feel that I missed from the majority of the second game. The design of the sins was also top notch. I really liked this game. It only added to my love of the series.
I thought I was crazy because I always liked Darksiders 3 it was fun it felt more like a hack n slash game than a Zelda clone so I could see why fans might’ve been disappointed
I get what you mean when you say 3 feels darksiders adjacent certainly the Zelda inspired level design present in the previous games were replaced by the more metroidvania style while combat changed a little by being more methodical and souls like, as you said in the video Darksiders 2 changes fairly drastically from 1 in some areas making it hard to define the darksiders experience. When I look at the whole series though and see how differently they all play to each other I feel like the darksiders identity is defined by change at this point. While some might blame that on it being developed by a different team by the 3rd entry or more cynically believe each entry is just lazily ripping off of the latest gaming trends, I see it as a series that has never been afraid to mix up the formula to provide a fun experience while proudly wearing their inspirations on their sleeves. I think it also adds to just how different the horsemen are and how they fight to see it reflected in the overall gameplay experience across the series.
@@MayorHairBear it was weird. I'm not a huge fan of soulslikes but I think I liked the graphical style and her hair which kept me playing and of course the story was great like you said
I think they missed the mark with this one.In my opinion the combat should be like Castlevania LOS style rather than soulslike.In the previous games you felt the power of the horsemen but in 3 you were soo fragile.Also i really missed the dungeons and the exporation was kinda lame because of the rewards.Anyway great video i cant wait for Genesis.Dont let the top down camera fool you it is a truly a darksiders game you will be suprised.
I just played through this for the first time recently. I loved the first 2 games and was expecting something similar but was kind of disappointed when the game didn't feel like them. The combat just felt too different and the story didn't feel as strong as the others. Dont get me wrong, I enjoyed the game and thought it was a good game. I just expected more/something different from it based on having played the first 2. Plus i hated how her horse was killed off without us ever having gotten to ride it. I fully expected to either resurrect Rampage or someone get a new horse at some point (like needing it to out run the tornado...). Hopefully we get a Darksiders 4 that wraps up the whole story.
Just binge played all 3, all 3 have fun gameplay. Even though they are fairly different experiences, and I love that they are. No 2 characters feel the same. I started out hating fury as a character but I gotta say, one thing this game has on the other two is character development. Fell in love with her towards the end.
installed, played it, did not like it, uninstalled it.... re-installed the next day, give it another shot, end up having a tons of fun, more than I would have ever expected.... just needed to understand i was not playing god of war darksiders but more of souls darksaider, which is fine
Darksiders were/are action adventure games with some RPG elements. Gunfire decided to use souls combat without understanding how souls combat should work. They water down the Darksiders experience and made a bootleg souls game. At least for me Darksiders 3 is disappointing gameplay wise, nothing new and what it does its done poorly and comes off as cashing in on a trend without understanding why souls are fun.
I feel like the game need combo or animation canceling something on the line of the dmc reboot where you start a combo with one weapon and finish with another also when I picked this game my hope that it would have been something similar to DS2 that look system was needed
I just got done with playing the first three in a row and for me, three is the best. It's the only one I got super invested in and nabbed all the achievements. It was so much fun!
2:02 Just watching you pumping in combo after combo and dishing out some numbers, yet the enemies are not taking the proper amount of damage. That is cheap design. Also that the developers thought it was coll to make the game kinda like Dark Souls sucks. Because it only kinda is like Dark Souls. They took the same stiff and inflexible upgrade system from previous games while an actual Dark Souls like game needs more flexibility in terms of character development. That is why Dark Souls works. You can build your character to suit your style and it is an "modern style" rpg which grants that handling of statistics. Darksiders doesn't have any of that and yet it is supposed to be played as if it was so. No thanks. Sometimes it remains true that water and oil don't mix. I keep playing my Darksiders games and my Dark Souls titles. But not this abomination.
Damn shame what they did to this entry. I loved 1 and 2 and will likely never beat 3 because every game needs to be a souls like these days for whatever reason. Souls mechanics have been shoved into so many of my favorite genres at this point and it’s so depressing to be one of the few people who just doesn’t vibe with that style.
At first I also wasn't a huge fan of DS3. IN general I don't like Soulslike games and playing it on apocalyptic didnt do me any favors, but after the gameplay-related frustrations wore off, Fury is my fav Horseman thus far (going from uncaring bitch to self-proclaimed protector of humanity warms my heart) and after re-playing DS1 and DS2 on apocalyptic, I can actually appreciate the challenge that is DS3 combat, because the first two games are actually pretty easy. I really liked the Hollows system (although the unique/legendary weapons of DS2 with unique passives etc. was also very cool) and the story development, but I really hated trying to find adamantine ngl
I think darksiders 3 was good but the remnant games were a huge improvement for the studio. If they use the horseman with the guns(dont remember the name) for a remnant like darksiders Im all for it.
And as a side not. It never made sense the way they put up the four horsemen. They are meant to be the horsemen of the apocalypse. And those are: War, Death, Hunger and Pest. Not Fury or else. But that is a rather small nitpick.
For the narrative I think they kind of missed a good landing but for the franchise, I enjoyed it none the less. I really want a Strife game that plays like Dante's Gunslinger style.
I played all three games recently (Did all the achievements in 1 and 2, now I just need to finish NG+ and The Crucible in 3 to 100% it as well) and I ADORE Darksiders 3. It's hands down the BEST game of the three. I love Fury's character and how much she changes with the story. I really like how condensed the world is, just like in Dark Souls 1, compared to the first and second game, which worlds were stretched out like in Dark Souls 2 (yuck) I loved the last bossfight (Darksiders 1 and 2 seemed kinda bland on this part) I love the foreshadowing that was shown throughout the game (although I only realized it after finishing the game once 😅) The combat was great - Darksiders 3 on Reckoning was an actual challenge, unlike Darksiders 1 and 2 on Apocalyptic. The leveling system is nice, better than in Darksiders 2 The one thing I did not like was how squishy I was throughout the game. It's because of the Reckoning difficulty level, but I was being one-shot by mere mobs most of the time, despite putting points into health lol. It was kinda annoying, but it made me fight most of the enemies and bosses hitless, so I guess it's okay. Overall, best game I played in 2023, can't wait for Darksiders 4, will probably preorder it
While Darksiders 2 is my favorite in the series, I've played Darksiders 3 the most as a guilty pleasure. Darksiders 3 doesn't really have any puzzles, so your pretty much just battling enemies then moving to the next area and battling more enemies until you reach the final boss.
Who thought it was bad and why..? The last opinion I want about games... is ironically the opinions of mainstream gamers. Gamers like to shit on gaming journalists, who have their own issues, admittedly. But did you see the fan backlash over MGS2? Only for them to come around a decade later? There's nothing as fickle or as chronically subjective as a gamer's opinion.
This is by far my favourite of the three. I get why people thought it was disappointing but for me it was a pleasant surprise as someone who could never fully get into the first two games. The difficulty and gameplay was a lot more engaging and the looping design of the world was great
I loved the world building they did to be honest, I enjoyed that aspect and the difficulty curve of a Soul-Lite gameplay style, was a nice addition. My only real complain was the lack of variety in abilities, it was only X-Y or hold either for a strong attack. Death and War both had combos akin to God of War, and while Fury's Skorn could do some nifty things - it was only tied to a strong or light attacks.
How the game handles difficulty is awful. It still only changes numbers. You do less damage, while they do more damage and takes more. It just makes them last way too long. Even on balanced mode, enemies are so spongey. Especially with the Wrath boss fight. That first phase is so horribly design, it's boring. He gains health with each enemy he kills, so you'll spend minutes whittling him. Not to mention he just spends most of the time killing other enemies and paying very little attention to you
To be fair, it's not gunfire games fault that Fury ended up being the douche she was early game. I remembered DS3 having a leaked or something like that and the story of DS3 ended up being the same as those cutscenes and how she was in those cutscenes were exactly how she was in DS3 proper. So I think they just took what was already there and just worked it into the game.
Much better than Darksiders 2 with it's lame excuse of an underworld story and far too lenghty dungeons that doesn't feel rewarding nor pushing story forward, just make you want to quit and rush through skipping optional stuff compared to 1 and 3 where you go out of your way to uncover everything.
I don't see me ever changing my opinion that it's the worst Darksiders, and really don't like that it really doesn't feel like a Darksiders at its core. Now I haven't played Genesis yet, but I really hate how different 3 is from the first two, and personally DON'T like the Souls-like gameplay very much. I started out on the default gameplay style, and changed it later on, and was much happier with it then.
I have 300+ hours on DS 1 and 2 and both are great games 2 is my favorite but DS 3 suuuuuuucks, on every single aspect. If anyone wants my advice just skip to darksiders Genesis, you're welcome.
I'm sorry but you need to go back and play DS3 again because your retrospective missed a lot that sets it apart from previous titles. One of them being the Atraxis or Lord of Hollow choice you mentioned. There is also the Lust fight where you can kill Lust before Usiel and then save Usiel. This game has replay value because there are things you can't do to change the outcome. Also, I don't quite remember but you can encounter Pride much earlier in the game before you fight her that changes some things. Going back to Atraxis choice really has huge implications for the world of DS and is one of the coolest "secrets" of the game and you kinda just glossed over it.
It's a personal opinion but Darksiders 3 is a good game on its own yet not a good Darksiders game, the dramatic change in the style of the game made it underwhelming in comparison to 2 by making it similar to souls like, I would the 4th game (If ever going to be one) with Strife to be Hack N slash and the world being similar to Darksiders 2 in terms of exploration, puzzles and parkour because it suits Strife to be able traverse since he's agile even in Genesis, I really don't know what they are waiting for at this point....
The Darksiders series is not only unique in its concept, but for its potential to become legendary. Imagine if different studios worked on the different horsemens’ combat? If only they had a larger budget allocated towards MOCAP, coop implementation, fleshed out stories! I hope publishers don’t abandon this, because after all, Strife still needs his game .
I honestly believe we will not be seeing Strife get his own game. Darksiders 4 just sets the series up too perfectly to make a game with all 4 of the horsemen in it.
@@MayorHairBear A proper 4 player coop would still be amazing. The big question would be what style of game: A L4D style, a twin stick "Darksiders Genesis", or an RTS XCOM type. Let's just hope any publisher out there is ready to take the risk to produce one!
They already gave strife his game with their dungeon shooter that they made. So we’re probably not gonna get another one.
@@magnanimae5408 Genesis was a spinoff, we should be getting a main game with strife, then another game with all 4 especially because 3 was profitable.
@@nbonasoro Genesis definitely struck me as an easy way to excuse not giving Strife a full fledged game because it introduced his character and gave him enough dialogue for the team to essentially go “alright, you guys know who he is, now we can make the real game”
Every Darksider starter pack:
1. Hack n slash combat
2. Important Intro Boss with good storytelling
3. Well thought Puzzles
4. The Problem always involves the Council
5. Ya boi Vulgrim with amazing deals
6. You play as a Horseman.
7. You ride a horse sometime in the game.
Darksiders 3 doesn't have #7.
Yeah Fury is a one of the 4 horseman, riders of the Apocalypse. Horses are cool. In fact they could have killed off the horse and Fury would find a new one or something. But yeah this game was disappointing, especially with the whole choice of things for Lord of Hollows and Abraxis. Because how would that translate into future games that take place after these events if any are made.
People were upset that the game was different. Then there were the people who simply cannot accept any strong female characters, no matter how written.
Me? I was just happy for a 3rd. I enjoyed it, but I know why others did not
@@dwrdwlsn5fr? Is that really what they were upset about? that's literally alot of modern game protagonists these days exam Jill from re
@@dwrdwlsn5 Jesse faden from control Sonya blade and she was a strong female character even in the 80s when mk was still new besides who can hate her after she goes all protective mom figure for the humans?
@@shadowslayer2929 they say so. If so? I have nothing but pity
I still can't believe a Darksiders 3 actually came out.
Right! 😂
@@MayorHairBear I personally don't mind the story but it definitely isn't the best.
Enjoyed all three , still hoping for Strife to get his own game.
It'd be awesome to see but I just don't see it happening unfortunately.
@@MayorHairBear have faith. This series is literally unkillable. It always rises from the ashes
@@SIGNOR-G Well, almost a year later, there is still nothing. Not even a confirmation that the game is in production, less even close to coming out
@@moreauclement9702 its a really sad state of affair. It would be very ironic to end the franchise before the big finale but expect everything. I never was one to ride the hype so im still very cautious but a part of me always expects to see DARKSIDERS 4 trailer pop up at any moment.
Do people not consider Genesis as Strife's game?
It was a fun game, and the top down combat felt like it fit Strife better than the usual stuff
Darksiders 3 felt like Dark Souls and Castlevania had a baby and I’ve always loved it for that
That's a great way of putting it actually!
And zelda
I think it's about art direction and generally how the game feels and looks.
They've changed engine from their homebrew to UE4 and Joe Madureira also wasn't working on it. Hence it just doesn't *feel* the same.
I think you're right, their's nothing wrong with the art but it doesn't feel right
There are tons of Joe Mad copycats..
I do like how the combat of each game emphasizes how differently each Horseman fights.
War is a massive juggernaut with 11 health bars. He can block, parry, or just armor through enemy attacks. He smashes enemy defenses through the sheer force of his attacks. He cleaves through hordes of enemies with ease.
Death is a whirling dervish of blades. While much squishier than War, he's by far the fastest of the bunch. He excels in keeping the pressure on with constant attacks and never letting up. He has various magical abilities and great mobility that let him deal with crowds easier.
Fury is a precise duelist. Being slower than Death, she relies on more precise dodges rather than dashing half-way across the arena. She specializes at creating openings and counterattacking, picking apart her enemies' weaknesses. She struggles against larger groups, mostly relying on Wrath attacks to clean out the fodder so she can keep her focus on the more dangerous enemies.
I do wonder how they'll characterize Strife's combat in Darksiders 4. Sure there's Genesis, but the overhead isometric camera skews it a bit, and he shares the gameplay seat with War.
Your spot on mate and it is refreshing and helps distinguish the Horsemen really well. I'm with you though, Strife is a whole heap of unique from the others and I don't know exactly how he'd play if they were to go 3d with him
Death isn't squishy. He literally took War's Chaoseater through the chest and didn't even flinch.
@@Hynotama Yeah, though in this case his gameplay squishiness motivates the player to fall into his combat style of constant movement.
is DS4 in development now?
Genesis is a good showcase for Strife. War plays almost the same as he did in the first game so Strifes attacks are what you’d expect in his own game. Him being mostly invested in his long range weapons(pistols) and his smaller blades being there mostly to keep smaller enemies off him so he can stay at long range. He also has swifter dodges much like Death’s.
4th game needs devil may cry combat
I feel this one gets hated on far too much, I really enjoyed getting 100% on this game
If 8 out of 10 humans find a turd and don't want to keep it in their house there is always two that will keep it stinking up the house. Those two will have insane reasons to keep a smelly turd in their house. And the other 8 will look at them like they are insane, in the end of the day those two people will be happy and that's all that matters. Hopefully they will make better games to keep the majority of the fan base happy, there is way more money in doing so.
@@brentmichael4770 What on earth are you talking about? I legit don't get your comment or what it has to do with mine 😂🤦
@zachboardman736 I'd say it means you are in the minority of fans liking the game. It was a failure for a reason, and you're the reason the industry is in the gutter right now. They are making games for a target audience that's happy to have a controller in their hand instead of a dumbell, set of tits, lawnmower, and hammer.
@@brentmichael4770Well, most of the steam reviews on the game are positive, so i doubt that the majority is disliking this game. It's just those long-term fans that don't like that it is a souls-like.
@@coredeadman5980 these people are insane I wouldn't give them much time and effort
So... the Lord of Hollows is wearing the Ark of the Covenant on his back, right?
I believe so, yes
This took a second playthrough before I fell in love with it. I liked Fury's character arc. They have all been solid games. I want... I need more...
Idk i think darksiders(war) fans had a bit of an adjustment period for the change to D2(death) and it was a long wait for 3 but this soulslike change..... Eh love this game tho
Yeah it's a series that keeps it's fans on their toes isn't it 😂
Well, the thing with Fury is, when you first see her, you understand right away that she's not like her brothers. But perhaps it's more accurate to say that her brothers weren't like HER. After all, War, Strife and Death were unique among the Nephilim, in that they had no interest in marauding around the known worlds, killing everything they saw just for the sake of killing. That's why they agreed to the New Pact, so they could put a stop to the slaughter. Fury, on the other hand, was EXACTLY like the other Nephilim. She only agreed to the New Pact because she had sense enough to see the writing on the wall...and she knew that if SHE didn't sign on, somebody else WOULD...and she decided she'd rather make a deal than be dead.
But then, as Darksiders III draws to a close, you see Fury graduate from being a Nephilim to being a HORSEMAN, probably for the first time ever. Unfortunately, this metamorphosis is kind of one of the main plot holes of which you speak. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love where Fury ends up, too. And I understand how the whole point of the story is for her to see herself in the Seven Deadly Sins, as she takes each one of them on, and ultimately come to the realization that she just doesn't want to be that way anymore. But you don't actually see her EXPERIENCE anything in-game that calls for that level of introspection. She just changes and grows, primarily, because the game SAYS she does. Meanwhile, we're sitting there going, "Uh...I'm sorry? I was there with you the whole time. When did YOU allegedly learn these lessons?"
At least, that's just MY thinking on it.
That's actually a very valid argument and not something I'd considered but makes a whole lot of sense!
I assume you're referring to Fury's motivation for becoming one of the Horsemen.
We definitely see her change. Lust exposed it more than any of them. ''Lust showed me what I could become. It's not who I want to be.'' Fury does still have a soft spot for her brothers. She only realizes it once she sees them bastardized and on their knees. That's where he introspection begins.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Well, I'll grant you that scene revealed a soft spot for her brothers that she never truly acknowledged before. But as far as actually seeing her WANTING to improve, that was kind of the beginning and ending of it. She only really overcomes the temptations of Sloth and Gluttony because the whole idea of her just sitting around, doing nothing and growing fat is just completely counter-intuitive to her essential nature as a Nephilim. Sure, the story has her acknowledging that not working on her failings was, in itself, its own type of laziness. But it wasn't out of her gaining any altruistic desire to become a better person, over the course of the game's events. It was just her feeling sorry for herself in the final chapter after she realized Envy had been setting her up the whole time and she never saw it coming.
We don't see her experience anything in-game that would encourage her to work on her anger issues and quit being such a hothead by the time she goes into Round 2 with Wrath. The fight starts and somehow she just acquires this abundance of self-control. And it's never exactly revealed just what wisdom the Lord of Hollows was trying to impart to her, throughout the entire ordeal. Evidently, Fury at least appears to understand, but we, the players, aren't really let in on it.
I'm just saying, you know? It would have made Fury's metamorphosis from Nephilim to Horseman feel a lot more organic if those points had been added.
@@TheStraightestWhitest She also learns that War was truly innocent and that the Council's will is not as absolute as the Balance is portrayed to be. The Council, after being tricked by Lucifer through Abaddon, were desperate to take control of a situation that presented itself through the conspiracy and one-by one they're matriculating courses of events in a desperate hope to maintain their place of power. But all parties are starting to learn, humanity was being taken out of the equation.
I really enjoyed Darksiders 3!
It deserves more love from fans.
I understand why the player base is divided on Darksiders 3 but I really did enjoy it the second time around, I think many fans need to give it another go!
I've played out 4 times for various reasons. It doesn't deserve anything from the fans. A lot of people didn't like the look, story, character, or gameplay- either all combined or separately in a vacuum. I certainly didn't. They're entitled to that, it's generally a downgrade from the previous two games.
I find each game to be fitting to their respective horseman. War is straightforward and no nonsense so he gets a straight to the point no sidequests game. Death is considered the strongest and in game you can get absurdly powerful with some gear combos. Fury was considered the weakest so she got a game that would whoop ass the most. It works out real nice.
That's a great way of summing the series up and describing the changes from game to game and it makes sense with the change in Genesis as well!
Yeah, while War is the youngest - Fury came across as the most clueless where as Strife and Death were first to start learning about a conspiracy.
I wasn't going to give darksiders 3 a chance but thanks to this great video... yeap I'm picking it up 😁
Hell yeah mate, enjoy yourself!
I played darksiders 3 last year when it came to games with gold and i loved the game. I never played the 1st 2 darksiders but i hear they are better so i gotta check them out.
I would recommend checking out the rest of the series for sure but Darksiders 3 is still a good time
Darksiders TWO was the BEST. I really liked the RPG elements like stats, skill points and the several special attacks you had. DS 3 is a step down, i mean DS 3 offers no skill tree, no special attacks all you do i ONE fury attack at a time instead of several like in DS 1 and 2 and ohya DS 3 has nog gear like DS 2 had.
Goes without saying but another fantastic video! Darksiders 3 was a strange one for me, the difficulty I was not expecting and if I’m honest I’d rather they went back to something akin Darksiders 2. That being said, I ended up really enjoying DS3, I think your point about Fury’s character arc is spot on as well!
Glad you enjoyed the video mate, thank you for your support! Yeah I'd definitely be keen on a return to DS2 but DS3 is still a great time to play
Darksiders 3 was good tho
Man, I hated this game first play through. On my 2nd and 3rd play through, I still think this is the worst Darksiders game out of the franchise so far lol. Thought Fury was a terrible protagonist and her character development was predictable af. I agree with you greatly that War and Death were not incarnations of their namesake. War was stoic and duty bound, getting the job done even though he knew he was being played for a fool. Death was sarcastic, talked way more, and fiercely loyal, when he said he would storm the white city to rescue War, you believe it. IMO, no thought was put into Fury at all, they chose the obvious/safest route and she was dull for it. Again, my opinion, but a better route would easily be a play on "Hell hath no Fury like a woman scorned" would have put her more inside the world the first 2 games built up. The retconning was pretty bad too, and they did my boy Ulthane dirty! They removed his rough attitude and made him hella passive and "supportive." Ulthane from Darksiders 1 wouldn't have put up with any of Fury's shit, and would've gotten right up in her face and dared her to make the first move.
I will say, I did like seeing all 4 Horsemen together and that Vulgrim got his personality back. Overall I thought this story was pretty lackluster and just thrown together because a plot was needed.
Outside the story, I agree that the overall gameplay feels like it's missing something and doesn't feel like a Darksiders game. While I get why the devs went with a Souls-Like gameplay, Soulsborne popularity was high af at the time, but I feel like gameplay similar to Devil May Cry would have been better for this one. Keep the attack combos, like from the first two games, but add the ability to chain them together, awesome looking, and add a combo rank system.
I'm always shocked to hear people that like the first 2 games liked this game as well, but to each their own. I ranted a lot in this comment but thank you for the video! I love this franchise and this reignites my passion for the games :)
Didn't watch the video yet, but gotta say, I believe they should've stuck to the formula of the first game, which is a god of war clone with the diffirent flavour, and improved and built up from that, instead of changing the formula each game (a slasher, an action RPG with leveled items, and a souls-like). Maybe instead of dedicating each game to each horseman, they could establish some basis for all 4 characters and then tweak it for each of the characters to suit their style and put them as diffirent episodes in one game, so we could see some chemistry among them. I also just hate, that the cliffhanger of the first game was left unresolved for 3!!!! Games!
Fun Fact, the original gameplay concept for the first Darksiders was for you to be able to choose 1 of the 4 Horsemen and play cooperatively with your friends through the game. It was back in 2010 and I think it was Joe Mad(?) that said they just didn't have the tech to do it and make the game fun. So they instead went with 1 Horsemen per game to keep the game play engaging and fun. Personally, I want Strife to have his own game.
Hell Yeah! more Darksiders from the man who makes the best retrospectives. Darksiders 3 was different but as someone who fellin love with the Souls games in between Darksiders 2 & 3 I absolutely loved the combat chnage and the challenge. The game hands down has the best AI and most well designed world. I loved having no mini map and great landmarks. The puzzles and platforming is even more natural plus I love the metroidvania style. In case people say they just jumped on the souls cline train that's not true actually the lead game director was a huge souls fan and decided he would like that to be the direction they went in. Darksiders 3 probably alsobha some of the best boss design in the series honestly. Most bosses in DS2 were easy and DS1 was all gimmicks. The Darksiders series has always been a drastically different game with each entry. Obviously the game is different and how you feel about 85 as a Darksiders game is entirely your individual opinion but for mebit took the puzzles, combat, and exploration of every game and brought it to a new level for better or worse in some ways.
Darksiders 3 maybe weak in gameplay department, but it makes it up in story and lore department.
Fury is the only horseman who shows clear character development while playing the game . She began as furious, incapable of remorse , cocky but ended up being a great protagonist .
That is a good point, she definitely evolves the most character wise as opposed to War and Death. I really did love the story here
The game literally breaks lore. First we are told that Death sacrifices himself to restore humanity, and then they change their minds, make Death's sacrifice pointless and tell us that Fury and Ulthane saved humanity. And what is a "maker tree"? Why haven't we seen any in the Forge Lands? You know, where the makers literally come from?
Oh and we learn from the Archon that the Charred Council forbade travel to Earth in order to protect humanity, even burned Earth's Tree of Life. And Darksiders 3 retcons that too and tells us that the Charred Council plotted to exterminate humanity, because reasons.
Darksiders 3 is weak in everything, except the art direction.
@@Hynotama maybe u haven't paid attention, fury saves the last surviving humans meanwhile death save humanity as a whole and gave the species another chance and darksiders 3 takes place before darksider 2 so it doesn't break the consistency.
@@adityaverma6754 sure it doesn't. Even if played devil's advocate with that one, there's still a lot of things that Darksiders 3 screws up.
@@Hynotama probably its because DS3 Had completely different devs and had a budget worth pennies compared to DS2 Which was AAA blockbuster.
Fun fact: Last time, "it requires all four" horsemen to defeat a weaker Seven.
Shows how powerful Fury really becomes. According to the official summary, "proves" herself even as "the most powerful of the horsemen".
Death still claps her in seconds. But yeah, she becomes very powerful. Death is on another level though. He singlehandedly killed a force that was literally ending universes in Corruption. A concept so strong it was erasing other concepts, even Death. That's insane. And Death did that without his full powers or even his own weapon.
I really liked this game. It was a fun ride, despite some misplaced loading "screens" on my base ps4
That was something I did forget to mention in this retrospective, even on PS5 the loading screens are still everywhere!
@@MayorHairBear pretty jarring, but otherwise, the performance was fine
I only cared for the first one. I'd love to see a modern soul reaver legacy of kain tho. 💪
Catching up on this, was sad to hear you didn't enjoy Darksiders 3 the first time, it's definitely an acquired taste I think, even if you do like Souls likes. You already know previously I really enjoyed this game. BUT I am also pissed by it because I was aiming for 100% completion, and I played at a time some of the trophies were bugged. And so I played on the hardest difficulty and BEAT IT on it too... But the trophy never popped, not even retroactively, not even if I try to go back to the checkpoint. So I need to do the WHOLE GAME AGAIN to get it. Maybe I will, I don't know. I love the game, but I don't know if I love it enough to do hard mode again 😩
Oh the trophy and achievement bugs are why I gave up on hunting long ago. That sounds like an absolute pain and I don't blame you for not wanting to rush back into the game 😂But yeah I enjoyed this game a lot more than I remembered, good game!
You actually get 8 weapons if you do the dlc and a few of them for me personally are way better then the main game ones. I mostly had a mix of dlc and main game weapons when I played.
Fully upgraded whipnis always my favorite
Combat was so fun, dark souls feelings and one whole world full of explores, zelda perks and new side weapons. This game is so underrated. Today they do stupid lazy games and after you see what Darksiders 3 did. We dont have games like these any more. Be humble ppl. If u dont see a product's real value, u will only get more assasins creed games. Cuz publisher will understand actually you dont understand a real value in the end.
I literally started playing it some days ago, and I started from the 1st on Apocalypse difficult, 2nd too and now this. Aaaand... This crap is literally Dark Souls Even Harder Than Normal difficult 😓
You are one brave soul 😂
I actually loved Darksiders 3. I think this is a perfect example of how a darksiders game turned soulslike is done right, when taken that new road. They took a risk and I think it paid off when comparing the other soulslike games out there. Another reason I enjoyed Darksiders 3 is it seemed to have much more emphasis on it's fun combat system and way less on the puzzles, unlike the first 2 Darksiders games, which also had fun combat as well aside from the many puzzles they're known for.
I really like this game. 100 percented it on Steam. I really don't understand why it got so much hate. Maybe because of the initial performance issues and that some fans can't deal with or don't like the souls like gameplay. Well performance issues are mostly fixed and the gameplay is really good if you judge it on its own terms. I don't think that the game deserves as much negativity as it got. In my opinion it lives up to the other two games. I actually like Darksiders 1 & 3 more than Darksiders 2, since DS 2's quest design was pretty stale and the frequency of climbing around and solving puzzles was to high for me or maybe i just perceived it in this way, since i didn't enjoy going into dungeon after dungeon which didn't feel substantially different or really unique, like it is the case in Darksiders 1.
Very enjoyable, underrated game. If I had to make 3 critiques:
1) The absence of the Horse (for virtually the whole game) greatly diminishes its "Darksiders feel" and curtails exploration.
2) Ditching the amazing loot system of the second game (or even a variation of it) felt like a massive let down.
3) They should have better implemented the Jump as a second defensive mechanic in combat - or had some other rock-paper-scissors mechanic to add variety and depth.
Hopefully we get to see Darksiders IV at some point, maybe they will even do a Kickstarter for it.
I can understand when people say it is not a Darksiders game. Personally I see this very differently because every game so far massively changed some aspects of the previous one so it is hard to even pinpoint what a darksiders game is. The original purpose was a more mature Zelda with Hack ´n slash elements. Then Darksiders 2 rolled along and brought in a lot of rpg systems and bigger maps already skaling down the Zelda aspect somewhat. Lastly 3 brings in Metroidvania style gameplay and changes the rpg mechanics to be more soulslike to acomodate the metroidvania style. Now which of these would qualify as THE Darksiders experience? I would say none of them since all of them offer very different gameplay experiences. It is truly up to personal taste.
My favourite is definitely 3. While Death is my favourite horsemen in pretty much every category his game itself has a lot of flaws I just can´t get past every time I try to play through the game again. Meanwhile Darksiders 3 pretty much gives me everything I like: A more character driven story instead of plot driven, Metroidvania style gameplay and a more deliberate and methodical combat system. Now slap Death into that gameplay system and it would be the perfect Darksiders game for me. That is not to say it does everything perfectly. Oh it absolutely does not. It just caters more to my tastes than the others and that is why it is my favourite of the trilogy.
I really like the video fornat, because I can skip the story section
Hell yeah mate, that's why the chapters and timecodes are there. So everyone can enjoy how they want 🙌
Another excellent review, and I'm glad you were able to appreciate the game on a second playthrough. Changing up the gameplay mechanics in a franchise is always a risky move, but I guess the devs felt like the Darksiders 2 style was outdated and they needed to go with what's currently more popular.
Speaking of franchises that changed their style, it would be interesting to see you cover the Castlevania Metroidvania-era games. Those were actually the games that got back into gaming (I was a gamer as a kid, gave up video games entirely in high school, and then became a gamer again in my 20's after discovering the Metroidvania games.)
Thank you my friend, as always I appreciate your support! In regards to Castlevania, I've never actually played any of them aside from the Lords of Shadow games (which I was going to revisit but it was... not my favourite game to put it gently) I am very interested in playing games like Symphony of the Night though and I think that could very well be a "So I Finally Played..." in the near future.
Darksiders are one of the most squizofrenic franchises ever, they dont know what to do with it
I get what your saying my man, a lot of peoples expectation for Darksiders 3 was disappointing, at first I was frustrated because the game kept loading at first and it took forever to progress into the game, after a while, I gave it a second chance and I was a little pleased with the game but you are right though, it doesn’t stack up to Darksiders 2 and the fact that Michael Wincott voiced death. If any of you who don’t know who that is, he’s the main space pirate in Alien Resurrection with the deep voice
I tried to play darksiders three for a little while and could never get into it tbh. Loved both other darksiders games tho! I even bought a book expanding the lore of the universe as well!
Yeah I totally get that, it definitely isn't everyone's cup of tea
What's the name of the book?
@@ShadowKamehameha32 it’s called Darksiders: The Abomination Vault. It takes places ages before the events of the game in the middle of the horseman’s primes and it primarily follows death as he gets into cool conflicts with the other characters
@@PungentTowelWasTaken Thank you kindly! 😁😁
@@ShadowKamehameha32 Ofc my man!
I consider the DS2 the worst in the series, boring as hell
Fury really took me out of the game early. The way she is towards War at the beginning made me so upset. All I could hear was Death saying...."My brother War....I would protect him above all". It seemed like she didn't give a damn about her brothers and just wanted to rule over them.
I totally get where you're coming from mate, she just isn't very likeable in the beginning but does evolve really well if you can put up with it
I mean, she is named Fury after all
Thats her whole character in the first place. She doesn’t care unless she gets to lead them. But changes her mind when she realises that she is just a massive dick.
Her personal growth is the whole point of the game. The sins she defeats are also within herself, reflecting her inner journey.
War and Death were already mostly developed and, instead of finding themselves, they explored outward, revealing mysteries while holding on to their purpose.
The souls like style almost made me quit the game, because I couln't defeat the first boss. (I hate souls like games) I was so happy to have the game at release date and than that happened. I played it just because I had spend so much money on it. Too much bugs, unlikable main character, so often got lost in the game, to summit up, too much frustration. I will give the game a try again, but like you said, it feels too alien.
Too much diversity in this game.
As a combat junkie, DS3 was my favorite of the 3 right away. I thought 1 and 2 were extremely different already so I never thought this didn't feel like Darksiders.
as a fellow combat junkie, i wanna know your thoughts on the first darksiders game, i constantly see it getting flamed on unfairly imo, how do you like its combat ?
also, have u played
"Kingdoms of Amalur : reckoning" ,
that game honestly has one of my fav melee combat ever in gaming in general. i did a whole longsword only run and it was amazing. the enemy variety is insane and the variety is meaningfully implemented, and the game is huuge. has tons of combo moves, perfect blocks, dodges but without i-frames or stamina, satisfying hit feedback and impact effects etc. i give my solid recommendations for that game dont let the first hour of the game fool you. the game is absolutely underrated.
- a fellow combat wh^0re
@@btchiaintkidding7837 I played Amalur long ago but I remember breezing through that game, I guess the combat was good enough for me to beat it but I don't remember much tbh...
As for Darksiders 1, it had solid combat, nothing special but it was enjoyable, great game feel at the very least.
Darksiders 3 isn't a bad game. Those that say it was, never played it and/or were too stuck on the DS1 gameplay. In the age of the 'soulsbourne' games, DS3 should get more attention and recognition.
I beat this game in Apocalyptic difficulty, it was harder than any Soul-Borne because the mechanics were straight up broken.
Yeah.. on release I could not wait to get my hands on this, I really, really like Darksiders, Darksiders 2 is on my top 5 games of all time and, so, when I booted this up for the first time, I played couple of hours, quit the game and was thinking "why? why did they do this like this? why?" It took a few years before I gave it a second chance and I'm super glad I did.. I ended up really liking this and have now beaten it multiple times and can now say that I'm glad they did the way they did 😄
Also, I'm pretty sure Lust is a dude..
Hey its the same with me. While I have uninstalled it and havent gone back, I might do it now.
I greatly enjoy DS3. I dislike the vast emptiness of of DS2.
DS3 is tight packed and challegingly fun, even though it deviate from the formula and rough around the edge.
I prefer the story progression of DS3 over DS2 as well. In DS2, corruption felt like it just jumped out of the blue. Death doesn't felt developed through out his journey as he rarely show his soft side.
Yup i feel the same. DS2 is just dungeon to dungeon with just an empty world connecting the dungeoons.
No horse and no finishers, at least to me, are what makes this not feel like a Darksiders game, especially combat-wise.
No horse traversal was a major L for me
Game holds a special place in my heart unfortunately the last present my brother got me before he past unexpectedly , shit i played for alot of hours i put it on the hardest mode too
I'm sorry to hear that mate, that sort of game would hold a special place in anyone's heart
Darksiders 3 with classic combat is really fun and i keep comboing enemies to death. The new hollow alternatr weapons are even better.
They need to increase the full gsme speed by just 15% and it would be really good.
Been waiting for this for a long time, personally I liked the game but didn’t think it was great and definitely thought it was a bit weaker than 2
Oh 2 is by far the best but 3 isn't bad. It's good not great
@@MayorHairBearHaha, in my opinion Darksiders 2 is the weakest of the three. I don't know, i just feel like the game was too big, and had to much quantity, lowering the density of quality content. The dungeons just didn't do it for me, maybe because it was just too much or maybe because i didn't feel like the dungeons where substantially different from each other. Maybe both factors play a role. If Darksiders 2 would have been more compact i think i would have enjoyed it more. I think that the empty and non-engaging overworld hurt my experience, because just going from dungeon to dungeon felt so formulaic.
I just think it lost some of the expansiveness and epic adventure vibe
I think you're right mate, a little too linear in terms of the adventure
It's one of those games that I absolutely hated on release, yet found to be really good upon returning in several years. The addition of classic combat mode, NG+, different armors and, above all, Keepers of the Void with its focus on puzzles made the game feel so, SO much better for me. GG to devs. Now if only those lazy hacks would finish patching Darksiders 2.
i really wish to hear about starting 5th franchise of these legendary games
There needs to be more Darksiders!
I hated puzzles but D3 was the easiest for me regarding puzzles, and thats a good thing. I like the game. I wanted to love the first 2 games but the puzzles over combat ruined it for me.
Tldr.... It's a good game... It's a good souls like alternative game... I found that the hard way... Souls farming for upgrades... Limited healing items... Healing items cost more the more you buy apparently.... You have a flask like item that DOESN'T refill on a check point. The lack of a linear path... I'm fucking lost in a darksiders game apparently.... The stat upgrades hardly do anything... The minimal attack combinations and the lack of SKILLS... The precise dodge mechanic... Yeah... This game isn't darksiders it's darksiders with darksouls as a base... I quit playing once I found myself running around in a cricle unable to progress further and have found every possible path that I can take. I may pick it up again just to finish the main quest but damn... Among the 3 games so far... Fury's power seemed weaker than her brothers.
I always appreciate when people get past the original hate hype on Darksiders 3 release and can find love and enjoyment in the game.
As a fan of the franchise, I was sooo bummed out by all the negativity when the game released that I didn't even bother to pick it up. At least, not till about a year later. I got it on discount and booted it up with very low expectations. It took a little bit to get going, but man, I didn't realize that the game was tailor-made for me. That's what it felt like. It hit the spot so perfect. It really quickly became my favorite in the franchise, which I know is super unpopular.
Darksiders 3, up until very recently, was my favorite non-FromSoft soulslike (just being beaten out by Lies of P, and maybe Lords of the Fallen reboot, and Black Myth: Wukong on the way)
I was shocked that this game came out. Ultimately, I think the first one is still my favorite. But I immediately was in love with the return to earth and the Book of Revelations feel that I missed from the majority of the second game. The design of the sins was also top notch. I really liked this game. It only added to my love of the series.
Love the video. The game is very enjoyable
Thank you mate, I'm glad you're enjoying the videos!
I've always been of the opinion that Darksiders 3 is super underrated... it just ran like booty cheeks.
I thought I was crazy because I always liked Darksiders 3 it was fun it felt more like a hack n slash game than a Zelda clone so I could see why fans might’ve been disappointed
I get what you mean when you say 3 feels darksiders adjacent certainly the Zelda inspired level design present in the previous games were replaced by the more metroidvania style while combat changed a little by being more methodical and souls like, as you said in the video Darksiders 2 changes fairly drastically from 1 in some areas making it hard to define the darksiders experience. When I look at the whole series though and see how differently they all play to each other I feel like the darksiders identity is defined by change at this point. While some might blame that on it being developed by a different team by the 3rd entry or more cynically believe each entry is just lazily ripping off of the latest gaming trends, I see it as a series that has never been afraid to mix up the formula to provide a fun experience while proudly wearing their inspirations on their sleeves. I think it also adds to just how different the horsemen are and how they fight to see it reflected in the overall gameplay experience across the series.
I had always heard about Darksiders and tried out 3 as my first and loved it
It's a good game, glad you enjoyed it mate!
@@MayorHairBear it was weird. I'm not a huge fan of soulslikes but I think I liked the graphical style and her hair which kept me playing and of course the story was great like you said
I think they missed the mark with this one.In my opinion the combat should be like Castlevania LOS style rather than soulslike.In the previous games you felt the power of the horsemen but in 3 you were soo fragile.Also i really missed the dungeons and the exporation was kinda lame because of the rewards.Anyway great video i cant wait for Genesis.Dont let the top down camera fool you it is a truly a darksiders game you will be suprised.
Played all three, and they are still fun playing them once in a while. Just shows how good they are crafted.
I completely agree, very well made series that's a tonne of fun to play today
I just played through this for the first time recently. I loved the first 2 games and was expecting something similar but was kind of disappointed when the game didn't feel like them. The combat just felt too different and the story didn't feel as strong as the others. Dont get me wrong, I enjoyed the game and thought it was a good game. I just expected more/something different from it based on having played the first 2. Plus i hated how her horse was killed off without us ever having gotten to ride it. I fully expected to either resurrect Rampage or someone get a new horse at some point (like needing it to out run the tornado...). Hopefully we get a Darksiders 4 that wraps up the whole story.
Good script writing bro, great video all around
Thank you so much mate, glad you enjoyed it!
Just binge played all 3, all 3 have fun gameplay. Even though they are fairly different experiences, and I love that they are. No 2 characters feel the same. I started out hating fury as a character but I gotta say, one thing this game has on the other two is character development. Fell in love with her towards the end.
installed, played it, did not like it, uninstalled it....
re-installed the next day, give it another shot, end up having a tons of fun, more than I would have ever expected.... just needed to understand i was not playing god of war darksiders but more of souls darksaider, which is fine
Darksiders were/are action adventure games with some RPG elements.
Gunfire decided to use souls combat without understanding how souls combat should work. They water down the Darksiders experience and made a bootleg souls game. At least for me Darksiders 3 is disappointing gameplay wise, nothing new and what it does its done poorly and comes off as cashing in on a trend without understanding why souls are fun.
I feel like the game need combo or animation canceling something on the line of the dmc reboot where you start a combo with one weapon and finish with another also when I picked this game my hope that it would have been something similar to DS2 that look system was needed
I just got done with playing the first three in a row and for me, three is the best. It's the only one I got super invested in and nabbed all the achievements. It was so much fun!
2:02 Just watching you pumping in combo after combo and dishing out some numbers, yet the enemies are not taking the proper amount of damage. That is cheap design. Also that the developers thought it was coll to make the game kinda like Dark Souls sucks. Because it only kinda is like Dark Souls. They took the same stiff and inflexible upgrade system from previous games while an actual Dark Souls like game needs more flexibility in terms of character development. That is why Dark Souls works. You can build your character to suit your style and it is an "modern style" rpg which grants that handling of statistics. Darksiders doesn't have any of that and yet it is supposed to be played as if it was so. No thanks. Sometimes it remains true that water and oil don't mix. I keep playing my Darksiders games and my Dark Souls titles. But not this abomination.
Damn shame what they did to this entry. I loved 1 and 2 and will likely never beat 3 because every game needs to be a souls like these days for whatever reason. Souls mechanics have been shoved into so many of my favorite genres at this point and it’s so depressing to be one of the few people who just doesn’t vibe with that style.
I like souls games but I'm not a fan of the souls like combat being used for every action game. I prefer the flashy dmc like combat 2 had.
At first I also wasn't a huge fan of DS3. IN general I don't like Soulslike games and playing it on apocalyptic didnt do me any favors, but after the gameplay-related frustrations wore off, Fury is my fav Horseman thus far (going from uncaring bitch to self-proclaimed protector of humanity warms my heart) and after re-playing DS1 and DS2 on apocalyptic, I can actually appreciate the challenge that is DS3 combat, because the first two games are actually pretty easy. I really liked the Hollows system (although the unique/legendary weapons of DS2 with unique passives etc. was also very cool) and the story development, but I really hated trying to find adamantine ngl
I think darksiders 3 was good but the remnant games were a huge improvement for the studio. If they use the horseman with the guns(dont remember the name) for a remnant like darksiders Im all for it.
And as a side not. It never made sense the way they put up the four horsemen. They are meant to be the horsemen of the apocalypse. And those are: War, Death, Hunger and Pest. Not Fury or else. But that is a rather small nitpick.
I enjoyed 3 but 2 was better.
I agree 🤙
I love Darksiders 3
All 3 main games feel very different and that was the point
Only complaint I have is they killed the horse
The reason DS3 failed imo. Is the fact they focused to much on Fury as a character instead of the plot. Which DS is all about.
For the narrative I think they kind of missed a good landing but for the franchise, I enjoyed it none the less. I really want a Strife game that plays like Dante's Gunslinger style.
I played all three games recently (Did all the achievements in 1 and 2, now I just need to finish NG+ and The Crucible in 3 to 100% it as well) and I ADORE Darksiders 3. It's hands down the BEST game of the three.
I love Fury's character and how much she changes with the story.
I really like how condensed the world is, just like in Dark Souls 1, compared to the first and second game, which worlds were stretched out like in Dark Souls 2 (yuck)
I loved the last bossfight (Darksiders 1 and 2 seemed kinda bland on this part)
I love the foreshadowing that was shown throughout the game (although I only realized it after finishing the game once 😅)
The combat was great - Darksiders 3 on Reckoning was an actual challenge, unlike Darksiders 1 and 2 on Apocalyptic.
The leveling system is nice, better than in Darksiders 2
The one thing I did not like was how squishy I was throughout the game. It's because of the Reckoning difficulty level, but I was being one-shot by mere mobs most of the time, despite putting points into health lol. It was kinda annoying, but it made me fight most of the enemies and bosses hitless, so I guess it's okay.
Overall, best game I played in 2023, can't wait for Darksiders 4, will probably preorder it
While Darksiders 2 is my favorite in the series, I've played Darksiders 3 the most as a guilty pleasure. Darksiders 3 doesn't really have any puzzles, so your pretty much just battling enemies then moving to the next area and battling more enemies until you reach the final boss.
Who thought it was bad and why..? The last opinion I want about games... is ironically the opinions of mainstream gamers. Gamers like to shit on gaming journalists, who have their own issues, admittedly. But did you see the fan backlash over MGS2? Only for them to come around a decade later? There's nothing as fickle or as chronically subjective as a gamer's opinion.
For Darksiders 4, I want it to be a hybrid between Red Dead Redemption 2 & Bulletstorm with just a splish-splash of Skyrim.
@$&+ Yeah.
This is by far my favourite of the three. I get why people thought it was disappointing but for me it was a pleasant surprise as someone who could never fully get into the first two games. The difficulty and gameplay was a lot more engaging and the looping design of the world was great
I loved the world building they did to be honest, I enjoyed that aspect and the difficulty curve of a Soul-Lite gameplay style, was a nice addition. My only real complain was the lack of variety in abilities, it was only X-Y or hold either for a strong attack. Death and War both had combos akin to God of War, and while Fury's Skorn could do some nifty things - it was only tied to a strong or light attacks.
How the game handles difficulty is awful. It still only changes numbers. You do less damage, while they do more damage and takes more. It just makes them last way too long. Even on balanced mode, enemies are so spongey.
Especially with the Wrath boss fight. That first phase is so horribly design, it's boring. He gains health with each enemy he kills, so you'll spend minutes whittling him. Not to mention he just spends most of the time killing other enemies and paying very little attention to you
To be fair, it's not gunfire games fault that Fury ended up being the douche she was early game. I remembered DS3 having a leaked or something like that and the story of DS3 ended up being the same as those cutscenes and how she was in those cutscenes were exactly how she was in DS3 proper. So I think they just took what was already there and just worked it into the game.
Much better than Darksiders 2 with it's lame excuse of an underworld story and far too lenghty dungeons that doesn't feel rewarding nor pushing story forward, just make you want to quit and rush through skipping optional stuff compared to 1 and 3 where you go out of your way to uncover everything.
I don't see me ever changing my opinion that it's the worst Darksiders, and really don't like that it really doesn't feel like a Darksiders at its core. Now I haven't played Genesis yet, but I really hate how different 3 is from the first two, and personally DON'T like the Souls-like gameplay very much. I started out on the default gameplay style, and changed it later on, and was much happier with it then.
I have 300+ hours on DS 1 and 2 and both are great games 2 is my favorite but DS 3 suuuuuuucks, on every single aspect. If anyone wants my advice just skip to darksiders Genesis, you're welcome.
I loved the first two to pieces, but third one was kinda meh for me. Lack of puzzles killed it for me.
The lack of puzzles in 3 is definitely disappointing
I lpayed all 3 on PC & I honestly prefer Darksiders 3 than Darksiders 2 *Deathinitive Edition*, that port is sooooo horrible on PC.
Compared to today slop Darksiders 3 is a masterpiece
I'm sorry but you need to go back and play DS3 again because your retrospective missed a lot that sets it apart from previous titles. One of them being the Atraxis or Lord of Hollow choice you mentioned. There is also the Lust fight where you can kill Lust before Usiel and then save Usiel. This game has replay value because there are things you can't do to change the outcome. Also, I don't quite remember but you can encounter Pride much earlier in the game before you fight her that changes some things. Going back to Atraxis choice really has huge implications for the world of DS and is one of the coolest "secrets" of the game and you kinda just glossed over it.
It's a personal opinion but Darksiders 3 is a good game on its own yet not a good Darksiders game, the dramatic change in the style of the game made it underwhelming in comparison to 2 by making it similar to souls like,
I would the 4th game (If ever going to be one) with Strife to be Hack N slash and the world being similar to Darksiders 2 in terms of exploration, puzzles and parkour because it suits Strife to be able traverse since he's agile even in Genesis, I really don't know what they are waiting for at this point....