How lethal is Fallout's Laser Rifle?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Don't bring bullets to a laser fight. One of the most iconic weapons in the entire Fallout franchise is the laser rifle.
While the classic games touted the Wattz laser rifle, the newer games have brought upon the wasteland's most common, the AER9 Laser Rifle. But how much damage can weaponized heat and light dish out? Let's find out. Vapourization from an AER9 Laser Rifle is one of the worst ways to go.
I feel like I should note that there's not a ton of in-game explanations for the mechanics of the laser weapons, so I did my best to marry what is in the game(terminal entries, infrequent vapourization, etc) with some real life science(req'd energy to vapourize something, nervous system speed, etc).
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Honestly I'd rather die from vaporization than from any other type of weapon. It's instant, it's painless, and you won't even realize that it happened. I think it's better to go like that than dying in pain and fear.
Honestly. Instant death or infection from a .38 out of a pipe gun and a wasteland doctor who doesn’t know that germs come from his nasty hands.
Bruh every cell in your body is being burned and disintegrated that's gotta feel pretty bad
@@dwagin6315 a grenade kills you before you know your pierced by hundreds of super hot fragmentations of metal, so vaporize is almost guaranteed to be quicker than that.
@@dwagin6315 yes but you would be dead before pain reactors even reach your brain to single you are in pain. You feel it but at sametime not feel it
@Homer lol what
As others already commented. If your brain isnt able to process the pain of receiving a blast from a laser rifle pistol or rifle it would be more humane way to go. That is if vaporization was the result of every shot. In game that doesnt happen all the time. So if you´re still alive my guess is it would be really painful, like a burning sensation unless the blast also burns your nerve endings.
My headcanon for laser rifles is that they are not really laser, but rather high energy particles (the kind that do have mass) blast. It solves all the problems with in-game representation. Mass means recoil and non light speed travel speed of the projectile. High energy means potential for chain reactions and igniting effect. Particles means they could emit light as they travel (real high powered laser would be invisible unless it hit your eye, which would be blinded almost immediately anyway). And even this kind of thing would utilize lenses and such, so all the light related technobabble within the lore would still apply!
Beta radiation? Electrons have mass(although very little)
I think it’s a case of what we see in game isn’t canon
In canon the laser weapons are one shot kills or atleast one shot mutilations if the target lacks protective armour that is
If we could simply disintegrate any enemy we see in one shot the game would cease to be fun and it goes both ways if I’m level 100 a level 3 raider shouldn’t be able to kill me in one hit
It’s kinda like how you don’t have to remove bullets or can’t bleed out after getting shot once
its one of the many rpg lore things that get nerfed because they would ruin the game experience
I know that in fallout 4 your character can be crippled if they are hit in the right spots. It makes you slower than normal.
@@Brvmley I tried to make it like fallout 1 and 2 lol. I managed to replace some of weapons with classic ones like 10mm with 6250, Laser rifle with Waltz laser rifle and stuff.
In fallout 1 and 2, the lazers worked differently. On a crit, the person would have an electric shock effect, then disintegrate.
Kinda like what the combine energy balls do to every organic thing that is in their path
Actually, they cut you in half. The effect you're talking about was used for the Alien Blaster and Pulse Rifle.
It does seem like all soft-tissue is the first to vaporize, with bones being a little bit after. So you would probably feel nothing... I do wonder how it feels to survive one blast though, that has to be pretty painful.
It does seem to be one of the better ways to go actually, if you had to choose one way to die. It would probably be a lot worse to die from radiation poisoning or a disease.
Could be rather sanitary too. If it gets burnet the blood vessels are closed off and no bacteria gets in. but it would hurt as much as getting your hand in a laser cutter
@@frohenleid In lore, the lasers from the olive green U.S. Army protectrons that patrol the wastes can split you in half. Horizontally.
And they carry small energy cells, which is what the laser _pistol_ uses.
@@humanity_moment. Sure however I was talking about the pain. There is no kenetic force transfered to you however they burn through you. So I would say the pain of having a laser cut through you is about the same to a laser cutting through you. And that we have evidence for in the real world
Agreed but being shot once in like the leg or something would probably hurt a lot like imagine trying to survive with a hole in your leg in the wastes
@@frohenleid If you want to use 40k lore on how lasers work, then assume that being hit by a non-disintegrating beam would cause the area it hits to boil and explode, leaving behind a large meat crater.
Shoddycast also did a theory on how vaporizations work with lasers, he compared the standard damage of a 10mm, converted it to joules and scaled it with in-game damage against a laser pistol.
My personal hypothesis is that most of the energy in a laser passes through a target, like armor piercing bullets through soft flesh. During a critical shot, however, the energy scatters through an object instead of moving through them in a directed path. This kicks off a chain of events that culminates in a phenomenon akin to spontaneous combustion, in which the potential energy of a person's entire being is used at once to vaporize itself. It's also possible that the amount of energy needed isn't all that high, as vaporized tissue may act as a catalyst that causes water to evaporate with less energy input.
the only problem is, how these weapons have recoil?
Lasers produce momentum. That's kinda the entire idea behind laser sail drives on space craft. = )
That said, it would be negligible. My guess is there is a gyroscopic effect internally from moving parts.
Because Bethesda
Light does admit energy into things which can be released from movement Eddie negligible there could be internal moving parts that causes the recoil on the laser rifles in Fallout
@@mercyveritas1125more like because fallout, not everything is Bethesda’s fault
@@mercyveritas1125 definitely wasn’t obsidian / interplay / black isle that introduced laser weapons to fallout
The Vault 87 FEV experiments could be worth a look. The failed subjects are one of the most horrific-looking things in the entire franchise, and the "successful" subjects lose all sense of former self, in addition to some form of mental disorders and what seems to be constant pain.
If it's anything like Star Wars, a direct hit from a laser weapon would literally fry your insides
And in real life, a direct hit means you're blind and on fire
Star wars is plasma rifles that dont even do damage on you,but on everyone near
Love this vid. Count me in for an in depth conversation about the lethality of Fallout 4 weaponry.
I own a Raygun for home defense just like how the founding fathers intended, when all of a sudden, three rapscallions break into my house, I quickly switch on my Raygun and absolutely blast the first guy and he disintegrates and turns into ashes. He’s dead. The Raygun blows up in my hand due to the overwhelming amount of radiation from the materials powering it but not before I accidentally blow up my living room trying to kill the first guy. The last two guys are absolutely terrified when I pull up my Wunderwaffe DG-2 that I stole from the Nazi German research facility, their heads get blown up when I use my Wunderwaffe to electrocute them to death with it. Own a Raygun for home defense, just like how the founding fathers intended.
Go outside and get some fresh air like the founding fathers intended huh.
@@Scatt2k7 "No fun allowed!"
@@davedoessomestuff8176 not saying that but if you have time to write essays like that he needs some fresh air and sunshine 🤦🏻♂️.
@@Scatt2k7 bro it's literally a copypasta that's been around for years with a few things changed. Not like it takes days to write out a paragraph either.
@@davedoessomestuff8176 yessir
I love this idea! Laser rifles are 99% of the reason I play fallout. Piggy backing off this video idea, maybe the plasma weapons would be an interesting next thought? Not sure if they are different enough or not though
This is honestly one of the best ways to go, utterly painless. One moment you're oblivious, the next you're at the pearly gates and quite confused
Thanks for a great vid!!! my suggestion would be either scorched plague, cazadors or crucifixion
I *love* the look of the AER-9 laser rifle in it's standard configuration. I think laser weapons are the most satisfying to use in Fallout 4; the sound is awesome.
I always figured it would be like the disruptor rifle that the mandalorian uses, where vaporization looks instant to others but for the victim time is somehow slowed and they experience the pain that to them seems like hours
4:52 I wouldn't say it could never happen. Perhaps our great great great grandchildren would have one in their gun cabinet someday.
God I love your vids man, fallout is absolutely my favorite thing and your videos give me so much more info I never knew and your voiceover and editing is so relaxing and really catches my attention, always watch beginning to end.
Could be the radiation exposure, given how weird radiation is in Fallout. Or some sort of side-effect of dormant FEV.
Heck, it's Fallout. For all we know, the eldritch abominations, ghosts and/or aliens find lasers extra amusing, so they use evil~ magics~ to make 'em go ZORT extra hard.
Good seeing your videos man keep it up 👍
Im playing FO76 and this video got me wondering on another way to go out…
How about getting blasted by a Radium Rifle? Or even a Gamma Pistol?
You'd get cancer and die if you didn't have the resistances of a post great war person. Or your skin would slough off and decay while you were alive. It'd be an immeasurably painful experience. Your teeth would fall out. You'd likely go blind. It'd suck lol. Luckily, you seem to instantly die if hit with enough radiation irl and in fallout. Oh, and you wouldn't be able to defend against it or see someone firing it at you.
You would melt
"No disintegrations"
~ Darth Vader
This is something that i really enjoyed the energy weapons of fallout are something that really matters to me, since there wasn't much cannon or any actual scientific evidence behind it.
The Wattz 2000 laser rifle was in FALLOUT 1&2, it has an appearance of a Remington Model 8 or a Browning Auto 5, and a heat sheild (perhaps) on the barrel.
I'm writing a book and wrote the entire energy weapons function, and didn't half-ass it, more grounded into a reality.
We as a community need that book
@@gbrls I'm no where near finishing the first draft of my book, syfy is a very good thing, especially when it revolves around an old subject that people had forgotten
The thing is with fallout is that laser, weapons and plasma weapons are some of the rarest things to find in the wasteland or at least they’re supposed to be.
In fallout 2 a gang getting their hands on a bunch of laser pistols was pretty much more than enough to take over their entire town
The "stopping power" seems to be just a little less than normal rifles like the service rifle from New vegas. The laser pistol has similar damage to the 10mm. So in real life, they would probably just as deadly as regular firearms. Not much more, not much less deadly anyway of course deadlyness varies a lot.
Thanks! Keep up the awesome content.
Imagine the power of just 1 laser weapon, now make it 100x worse when you put it on a highly mobile robot that prioritizes in melee combat with a laser on it's head, that's the assultron my favorite fallout robot besides liberty prime
"Laser weapons require regular maintenance [...]"
Laser weapons from FO4: "The F are you talking about?"
Sure the weapon hitting you is bad, but just think how scary the implications of actually being fired at by an energy weapon: more often than not i'll be a high tech & trained faction that has a specific reason they want you dead, like the Enclave or getting in the way of the BoS. Scarier than a doped up raider with a varmint imo
"Instant Extinction" ... makes sense that the Brotherhood uses these weapons on mass
Operative*
Something is still operative if it functions. Tumors are operable or inoperable. Meaning they can or can. It be operated ON.
Not your fault, I know, star trek screwed up the language for everyone.
2:07 the fans makeing these mags and stuff real and readable would be awsome to read an idea of what that sniper story must have been.
Death from the AER9 is painless and instantaneous? That is the best way to go out, no other common death is so merciful.
Kinda sounds like the way to go, just instantly you are gone. Would much prefer that over sitting and putting pressure on a 556 round wound until I die.
A good colloquial description of vaporization is being broken down into enough pieces that it cannot be repaired again
I like my Saturday morning routine of telling my kids thirty more minutes, getting up, making coffee, drinking said coffee, and watching some fallout lore.
A great workaround for the Lazer guns vaporization problem would be to just insert a game mechanic that deplets the currant fusion cell and or possibly breaks the gun.
With firearms you also don hear shots unless the attacker missed. Bullet travels faster than sound.
cant wait to binge
Here's one I've never seen, but how strong is power armour?
It can survive falls from hundreds of feet in the air and the heat of albeit old rocket engine up close with the occupant surviving.
Oh I have one that I think is interesting. Is being a intelligent ghoul better than being feral? (Essentially dead) with the lines that leo pretrov repeats, I start to wonder is that really the best outcome? I mean he is clearly missing his familly and unless he risks or takes his own life he is not going to die of natural causes so he has the rest of whatever time he has to be sad and regretful and that does not sound like a good life and it sure its going to be long, so maybe a video on that side of the "ghoulification" could be interesting mostly cuz I dont investigate this has i said is based on the dialogs of leo pretrov from fallout76 where he regrets not having taken more vacation days and in how he sadly mentions his family in some dialogs. idk maybe it can be a good video, love your videos bro keep it up!! Love from Mexico!! 👏👏👏
Next I want to see plasma. I’m pretty sure I know a mainly liquid body being hit with superheated plasma would be literally explosive. Not an actual BOOM but literally just exploding into gas.
Halo did a good job at that, but fallout reduced you to goo.
Yeah humans are mostly confined liquid. The heat from the laser blast will flash it into steam, causing a detonation. Literally a BOOM
The only thing I would’ve added was armor that could possibly deflect and or stop it
In Battletech the laser pistol when used in a tight beam and it burns a hole into the skull on entry and blows out the back of the skull due to turing the water in the skull into a vapor so fast that is why it blew out the back of the skull.
But never could it turn an entire person into ash.
When it comes to fo laser weapons I always felt it should have put holes in the target at best.
So you have it backwards then. If its instantaneous vaporization, you feel no pain. Nothing. You go straight to the inky blackness. In a scenario with not instantly ashing the ground, you're left with severe burns. Honestly living it would be worse than the instant sweet, sweet death that those crits deliver.
"Inky"?
I love laser rifles. I got an auto one and a sniper one. The slower shooting ones sound cooler. That noise they make is divine 😍
Plasma weapons are also a horrible way to go with the chance of liquidification
Wonder how it'll be portrayed in the show.
I once installed a mod that let you change the effects of weapons. I gave laser rifles the same explosive effect as mininukes.
Not quite as destructive as it would be, but much more realistic for a weapon that vaporizes things. ...Including the extreme danger to the user if you fire it point blank.
If we had laser weapons like these in our real world id totally not want to be taken out by one of those
Styropyro made a 100W laser pistol back in 2020. Look up his channel
I think it would be more accurate to say Instant Cremation.
I'll always pretend some targets vaporize because of "something-something chemical reaction"
Certified laser moment
I think it would be cool if Bethesda made laser weapons a little more realistic, not in their damage or effect, but in how they work, because the strongest lasers in the real world are not powered by electricity, but instead from very powerful chemical reactions. If the ammo were to be switched to being the chemicals necessary for these reaction to occur, that would be cool.
I don’t think vaporization is lore accurate. I have personally found no canonical anything where a target incinerates. In the iron works factory termektanls you can read they cut peoples limbs off and I think there is a dialog in fallout 2 from a slaver about them cutting someone in half. But no terminals on incineration unlike plasma goooification
the best equivalent to a real world laser rifle would ZKZM-500 which is a rifle that rifles an invisible beam that lights stuff on fire developed by China.
What always makes me laugh is just how efficient the weapon would have to be. If the 3 billion Joules thing is what it would take to vaporize someone, the gun has to be basically perfectly efficient. If even 1/10 of 1% of that energy was absorbed by the gun, it would melt itself down and kill the guy pulling the trigger. Oh and anyone within about a meter or so would also instantly catch on fire as well. Hysterical stuff.
Laser weapons in fallout don’t actually vaporise people, they turn them to ash which is something we do all the time, we call it cremation, it takes 100MJ to cremate a human body
i love how it turns everyone into dust
So canonically, this explains why the brotherhood held helios one with so few people while the NCR sent swarms of men. The laser weapons they used were so terrifyingly powerful, they blasted their opponents out of existence? I almost feel sorry for the NCR grunts who had to charge across open fields against that, imagine just seeing dozens of the men infront of you being turned to trails and piles of ash in an instant...and worse still, from so far away that you couldn't even see the enemy. And even if you did, your service rifle barely even tickles them since they are clad in T-51B PA. No wonder they lost such a horrifically high amount of men fighting what was apparently just 15-20 brotherhood guys when the NCR had Tens of Thousands. Also proves that its the NCR Rangers that carry the entire republic, since only they managed to actually do anything to the BoS.
Your firing lighting bolts at each other
Real world, we will not likely see small arms laser weapons such as laser pistols, rifles, or laser gatling as current technology would produce a self cauterizing wound with potentially less damage than being shot by a .22. There are a couple real world options for energy weapons that could produce lethal damage if developed further including particle projectors (think nuclear collider experiments, though in truth an old CRT TV was also a particle projector which is why we were told not to sit too close to them) though these would take some leaps in technology to weaponize on a man portable level, or microwave weapons (currently classed as illegal for use in warfare under international law), making microwave weapons is frighteningly easy if you know what you are doing, and they can be built on a scale not unlike a SAW and backpack.
Theoretical developments inspired by scifi that people ARE working on developing include klingon like disruptor, though it is presently (to the best of my knowledge) purely theoretical papers for physicists who love scifi, should it be developed, it is the best probability for an energy weapon able to produce massive rapid trauma to a human body outside of a particle projector (which to the best of my knowledge is only able to get scaled to something the size of a tank at present.
That said for fallout, my favorite weapon is a maxed out laser sniper rifle, though a more realistic laser rifle would likely be both silent and invisible as light does not make much of a sound humans can detect (though one could argue that weapon cooling systems would likely make a degree of noise) and using IR lighting there would be no visible beam to trace... further even if a visible light color is used, the beam should only be seen in dust particles anyway (of course cogsworth will be glad to point out how dusty most of the commonwealth is) speaking of those dust particles, they would cause beam scatter which would lower the efficiency of the laser weapon as well as lowering the effective range, but the range of firearms in most video games is seriously screwed up in the first place.
Sure... one could easily argue that most people are not going to hit quarter MOA with iron sights, but many of the scopes are in "good condition" and are displayed in game as only being somewhat dirty at worst. A 308 that can not kill out to 300 yards with iron sights has a serious problem. but that is a rant for another day :)
Dont forget the MARAUDER torroidol plasma railgun weapon system developed in the late 90's, I realy wonder what became of that tbh
Okay here my theory on why the energy weapons have recoil:
I this it is just for balancing reasons but in universe there is little to no recoil
I got a question but I don't know if it's something you could answer, what game series had the most misfortune deaths of NPCs, elder scrolls or fallout ?
HOLY SHIT! The aftermath of that thermonuclear bomb is terrifying. Imagine if the U.S. had use these during WWII.
The Wattz laser rifle mod is very powerful but balanced with a slow reload speed.
Ah yes my favorite weapon in the series
What about being grazed. It sitting a blast..
They done laser weapons dirty in fallout 4 and 76 fallout 3 and Nv laser weapons were so much better
Ive used laser rifles and found them to be average at best but then some high level Supermutant hits me with a few bursts and wrecks half my health bar?
Same as the Gatling laser, I had a Penetrating legendary one and it was junk but if the BOS fire them at me they absolutely destroy me 🤷
What if it's like the disruptor rifle from Star Wars and they feel immense pain! It would definitely not be the most humane. They were banned in SW galaxy for being so brutal
I don't understand how that's anywhere close to the "worst way to go". Isn't "immediate extinction" better than "getting gutshot and bleeding out over three days" or "being tortured by raider children for a week". Frankly, instantly dying sounds preferable to prolonged agony, but that's just me.
I think a video on ghoulification might be interesting
so the vaporization of a human body would be the same as a 2000-lb bomb
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Can you do how deadly are plasma weapons?
Energy equivelent to over 700kg of TNT but still half the damage of a normal .44 revolver in game lol.
How is it the worst if it's absolutely painless?
And what about plasma turning living objects into goo?
I kinda disagree - it's the best way to go - poof and you are gone - no pain, no trauma, no ripped limbs, spilled guts - no agony from bloodloss. If anything that is the most humane way to go.
Dude is the new matpat😂
Light based weapons making audible noise is baffling to me
Hope Plasma is next.
Should get away from the "PG-13" gag btw.
I disagree with it being one of the worst ways to go, sounds to me like instant vaporization with no time to process it sounds almost like mercy.
I honestly think plasma might be a worse way to go
In my opinion, a Chinese pisto will probably be a really bad way for anyone to day. due to how fucking weak it's your enemy will need to empty multiple mags on you, so by the time you're dead, your body will be the equivalent of a swiss cheese.
My question is...... How easy or difficult would it be..... To kill everyone andean everyone besides yourself in Fallout 4?
I think what you're thinking about is Incineration, or Atomization.
Yeah Idk.. Think I would rather get instantly vaporized than say, bleed out from gut shot. If we are talking about non lethal hits, I would take a bullet any day though
in my head canon the laser beam has a chance to cause a hydrogen and oxygen reaction.
Shuttle exhaust is blue, though.
@@iami3rian394 ok?
@@kevincornell1439 so it wouldn't be red.
@@iami3rian394 well fallout 4 isn't based in reality lol. its just the closest thing i can compare to when playing make belief.
@@kevincornell1439 that's fine, but why not go with something that's actually red, though?
Hehe funni laser gun
I loooooove me a good gauss rifle
Shame fo4 doesn't have weapon/ armour degradation
If the laser is intense enough to cause severe harm in a split second of contact, it is also hot enough to cause a cellular steam explosion wherever you hit a biological target. So, lets say one gets lasered in the gut, that individual is now dealing with a large hole from which their cooked intestines are trying to escape.
Fallout physics is about as bad as the in-game physics engine it's mostly there but it's mostly winging it 😅
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I'm sure using an energy weapon on Chinese occupied territory can be a problem. Its a new technology that the chinese can steal and exploit, and the rifles also run on microfusion cells and thats exactly what China wanted
It seems that laser weapons were common enough before the bombs dropped that the Fallout world US government regulated them in the same vein as conventional firearms. One of the terminal entries in the BADTFL office in FO4 references a guy arrested for having an unlicensed laser weapon. I'd say that China most likely was just having trouble reverse-engineering them, the same way the US had trouble reverse-engineering stealth technology.