I Bought an ex Police BMW R1200 RT Shaft drive - What’s it like as a used bike buy? (48)
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- BMW R1200RT in this video I do a review of the police version of the 1200RT. Is it good value as a second hand motorcycle bike buy? Is it a 110 hp shaft drive bargain? All of the riding seen in this video is for entertainment purposes only. Feel free to email me with any questions or leave a comment. Thanks for watching.
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Hi everyone,
just a few quick notes as add on to the bike and a few tips if you want to select a similar bike.
The bike ist great and runs without trouble. I am riding BMW bikes since 1977, first was a R45, followed by countless R100RS, I was using them up to 90.000 km and then exchanged it for the next until the first R1200RT came. Some years I did up to 30.000 km in mostly in the mountains between Austria, Germany Switzerland and Italy. From the R1200RT I had a 2008, 2012 and a 2018 Model.
Two milestones between the early and the 2008 models: The ABS System is modified and the later models got a better modulator. From 2010 on the engine and the instrument panel got as well a modification and some mechanics call it the best air cooled engine ever built. Later the Liquid / Air cooled engine came with 125 hp. From colleagues I heared that the problem with the fuel sensor foil of the early models is now history on the LC. I had with my 2008 once the trouble and the part got exchanged . That is not cheap when you do it at the BMW Service center is around 200 € all together.
Riding the Bike is as Steve states a piece of cake when you consider the weight of around 270-290 kg. Change of parts when you are able to do it yourself it is easy to maintain. The only problem is then that the service reminder on the instruments is illuminated permanently as you need the OBD to connect with the laptop to tell the bike it was in service and the next 10.000 km or 12 Months it is good again.
If you want to convert the single seater to a double seater again then look into Ebay, there you are able to locate some used back seat cushion at low price. If you are riding downunder you would not use the heated seat. The wiring is diffrent between the R1200RT and the R1200RT-P = Police version. Another diffrence is also that the frist gear is lower then the civil version to roll as slow as possible without pulling the clutch to find the exact grinding point. This is usefull to reduce the wear and tear. As a civil rider you rarely notice this but it is usefull when you escort during protocol visits in a cohort of 3, 5, 7 or even 15 bikes.
The BMW plant in Berlin has a seperate production line for the -P- version. Some of the wirings are diffrent and also the crash bars left and right, front and back. If the bike is laight on the side it is better protected then the civil version. The shortfall is later the civilian utilisation, the side case does not fit a helmet, the civil version does but you need to change also the case holder left and right, if you cannot locate those parts used then you run quickly in a price range where you could buy a used civil bike with lower mileage / kilometers and have it all standart. Also, at least for me in my free time, it is nice to listen to the local radio station and get some entertainment as well. Nice feature also together with the radio and the Navigator 6 is the live traffic information on the display in front. It warns you of accidents, objects on the road or any other hazard.
So far my add ons to the Steve´s video and comments. My next bike could be the R1250RT why? it comes with the cornering lights and has, at least here in Europe, a SOS emergency call system that automatically sends a 112 Call, like 911 in the US, and reports your position, it tries to built a voice connection as well but if the rider does not answer the position is located easier. Some riders who slide of the road into the slope on the side where found too late at the next day. If some would be found earlier they would be still alive. A feature my present bike has and the next also must have and I am more then glad if I never need it like the ABS and the ASC until today despite the far over 200 km / hr the bike travels if desired, happy that we are still able to do it now and then if conditions permit.
Ride safe and return home happy, your friends and family deserves this. Best wishes PETER
Hello Peter
thanks so much for sharing your thoughts and knowledge that you have gained over so many years of BMW ownership. In Australia BMW motorcycle are becoming more popular, especially the GS & GSA adventure bikes. Unfortunately they are far more expensive than their Japanese competitors and this limits the ability for many riders to buy new, the Police version of the RT generally sells for about half that of a civilian version. Thanks again for your information, I am sure many potential BMW owners will find it helpful, ride safe. Cheers, Steve.
@@standupmoto Hi Steve, not only in Autralia the BMW Bikes getting more and more expensive. In Europe the R1250RT Mod. 2022 starts at 31k AUD, loaded with all options but the ones you should / must have you come close to 38K AUD price tag. Ask the dealer for some discount, at the moment most of them are all "deaf on that ear".
What I suggest is to buy used, most devaluation is the first two or three years when the first license plate is attached, therafter it holds quiete a stable value. Money not spend is the best invest for future rides.
That the GS becomes more popular makes sense when you look at the backroads there and the common climate, warmer then here in central Europe. Today it was dry and we had 6° C, good enough for a short spin.
Best wishes PETER
@@pcm737 Peter ,I am jealous but happy for you ..cheers
@@holeephuk Ho lee, thanks, same here, ride safe, Cheers.
I believe that the RTP uses the GS differential and that is where the lower gearing comes from!
I thought I would have to watch three or four videos to learn about these but you summed it all up in one. Well done! Your work is appreciated
Glad you enjoyed it! thanks👍
I have the fortune to own one from 2006 with ONLY (yes only) 43.000 km, and I think its a FANTASTIC BIKE. Had some thoughts about a GS 1200, but I'm a tarmac guy, so I choose this RT, and I'm not regretted. 😊😊
Greetings from Portugal 🇵🇹
That’s great and very low Kms , they are out there if you can find one. Lovely to hear from Portugal. I met a solo rider from Almada doing a lap of Australia on a BMW GSA not long ago. Cheers.
Great video thanks. You have a great voice which is great to listen to. Bikes and planes one channel a great mix. I ride a GSA so was impressed by you taking that OffRoad! Keep them coming. Your videos are really professional.
Thanks Peter , glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for the kind words. Yes the old RT is a good thing and far more capable than I would have thought, I actually like it very much. Great to hear you ride a GS, I had an older version (1150) and really enjoyed the relationship. I have spent some time on the current version (a friend’s) and it’s an extremely capable comfortable ride, enjoy your bike & ride safe. Almost forgot to mention yes plenty more videos coming in 22 including my next which will be on the Honda NC 750 X , hopefully building the channel to do a lot more so please feel free to share this video with your mate’s. Cheers.
Very informative video! Just for reference, in the U.K. we have four main classifications of road: Motorway, A road, B road and unclassified. We would refer to that type of road you were riding as a small or single carriageway 'A road'. A 'B road' tends to be a narrower road, often without and centre road markings. The kind of road you could imagine pottering along riding a Bantam on a Sunday afternoon.
That was a really good review. THANKS! I think I'm gonna try to get one of those.
Great glad you enjoyed the video, make sure you check it out first and you’ll have a great ride. Cheers
I bought a 2006 1200 RT civilian model with only 28k miles (approx. 45k kms) on it last year. It's in 'as new' condition with a full service history. It is a stunningly nice bike to ride and is every bit as good as you say they are. 👍
Thanks Besty glad you enjoyed the video and the civilian version would be well appointed also, you did well to get one with such low miles . Take care and ride safe, you’ve got a lot of years left in that bike. Cheers.
Wow.... Really enjoyed your review. Thanks. I ride an 06 and it's been a great motorcycle for me. 👍🏍️🙏
Gday Chris, yes they are a good all round bike for sure. I’m tempted to put a set of dual purpose tyres on this one and a couple of other mods. Cheers.
I reckon the best thing about riding an ex-cop bike is that it'd scare the crap out of other traffic, especially on motorways and country roads.
👍 Yes it certainly does.
Yeah but some bikers don't appreciate cops. And the police in Canada isn't doing a great job lately .
That's if you turn on the emergency lights.
I will be purchasing a 2006 R1200RT in just two days on June 22nd, 2022 so I appreciate the walk around and ride footage.
Great stuff, enjoy and ride safe 👍
Just test rode one of these and found it amazing. The indicators will take some getting used to but I don't think it is anything major or overwhelming.
Really enjoyed this video.
That’s great, yes they are a fun ride & far more manageable than they look. Got used to the indicators after a while, they’re actually not bad to use especially when you have winter gloves on. Glad you enjoyed the video 👍
Very Professional !
And local SA !
Looking forward to next show
Tar 👍
Thanks Chris, born & bred. Glad you enjoyed the video, next review is the Honda NC750X soon.
Nice riding and a great review, I’ve been thoroughly entertained cheers
Awesome, thank you! 👍
I currently have a R1200RT SE year 2012.Only just back from the Faroe Islands where I traveled from Ireland. Achieved 209 kmh on the autoban ( GPS ). 5.4km/L for the 4300km trip.Heated seat /grips / cruise control/ electric screen and high level satnav mount made the trip as comfortable as possible.Tempitures from 2° to 24°.
Top stuff, thanks for the stats. Yes they are a very good machine & you can’t complain about that economy either.👍
Really great video!
Glad you liked it!
Really good review mate, I'm getting a civilian one but great to see u put it thro its paces ✊️
Thanks mate glad you enjoyed it & I think you’ll enjoy your new machine also, ride safe. Cheers.
Enjoyed your review , I'm from Australia and own a 2012 rt1200 the last of the air cools , the switch gear for the blinkers have now changed to the left handle bar only , they also have esc and cruise control fitted as standard I know it drives like an old tractor but for me that's fine being an old rider in his 60 tees
I’m with you Brian, but they are a fine old tractor. I actually got used to the indicators but sure would like that cruise, cheers mate & thanks for the info 👍
Great vid and a joy to watch. You where very lucky with your RT-P as many have been to hell and back. Mine was discribe in the auction like a wreck 😬 but turned out to be near perfect 😀.
Thanks mate glad you enjoyed it, yes there’s some really good ones out there. Cheers.
Absolute gem of a video, really enjoyed it!!!
I bought myself a 2008 K26 model identical to yours a few months ago and everything you have stated is all true about the bike, such a marvelous machine they are!!!
Unfortunately I had a slight clunking noise towards the driveshaft area and it exploded on me and destroyed the swing arm aswell which was heart breaking. My advice if you hear any slight noises at all towards the driveshaft/final drive area stop and inspect immediately to prevent further catastrophe.
So far its been a very costly excersise to fix and am just aching to ride her again
Geeeese Dave that’s bad luck, hope you get her back on the road soon. Glad you enjoyed the video.
@@standupmoto Thank you for replying back very kind of you, appreciate it greatly! Definitely devastated by not long to go now with the new parts coming in to go for a long awaited cruise.
I noticed your bike is registered in South Australia, that makes both of us locals. If you don't mind me asking do you know which Police force used your bike? My bike came with all the paperwork stating from new that it was used by Police in rural Victoria
@@dave-8910 Hi Dave, yes SA. Mine still had a whole lot of paperwork in the rear top box, it was used for local policing & escort work. Fortunately it also had a lot of the service documentation also. I found out it liked to eat L/hand headlight bulbs quite regularly, the center stand bolts broke on three occasions & understandably as it did traffic work the front disc rotors were changed several times while in service.
I love those bags. I wish the newer version had those same lids. The clam style side opening just isn’t as practical to me. Nice find. I got a 2018 RT, impressive bike for sure.
I totally agree!
What an helpful review! Cheers! Gonna get an rt soon...
Thanks Mark glad you enjoyed the video, yes they are a very good bike to ride. If you can get one with cruise control, it makes those long rides much easier.
@@standupmoto Got one! 2008, needs some tlc, but nicely kitted out.
@@marktroughton1064 Great stuff Mark, 08 basically the same as mine. A bit of TLC is a good thing, you get to know your way around the bike time you’re done. Love to know what you think of it after a couple of thousand kms/miles, I like this one more & more every time I ride it. Cheers.
Just bought a R1200RT-P 2010 DOHC and it's really refreshing to see a positive (and professionally looking!) video instead of the usual trashed-trouble shooting RT-P videos :P
Thanks Mate glad you enjoyed the video, it’s always better I think to be glass half full. You’ll enjoy RTP, just give her a good service. Oil and filter, check the diff oil and maybe a set of plugs and if your keen a brake & clutch fluid change. A thorough go over all of which is pretty simple on the RT and you’ll get many years of great fun service out of it. Don’t forget to check the brake pads, they’re soft. That’s a good thing though, it gives it terrific stopping ability. Enjoy your new bike & ride safe. Cheers.
Great review! impressive speed and technique on the dirt, I've been looking at R1200 and K1200 as well as a ST1300 etc. for the future, especially when the weather gets cold here in Alberta, Canada, keep up the good videos!
Thanks & glad you enjoyed the video, the RT is a great ride and probably the most weather protection of your 3 here. In saying that having owned an ST1300 it was a great ride, did many trouble free comfortable miles on that one. Lovely to hear from Alberta👍
@@standupmoto When the right deal comes up, either an RT\GT\LT\FJR\ST\Concours, it'll be the right one, well at the time anyways! We don't really have police motorcycles much here, the season is so limited to use them, a sport touring bike with some light ADV tires or Anlas snow tires will be the key I think. When it gets below 10c the wind chill is brutal, I was riding my 87 Ninja 750 at +4c with 3 base layers and a insulated jacket and it still blew through me, real wind protection is needed! look forward to your future content! thanks for the reply.
Just picked up a 2009 R1200RT IN LOVE WOTH IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great stuff Sean, they’re a good bike. Give her an oil change and filter & enjoy. Ride safe 👍
Great bikes, I also live in SA, my bike is a 2009, it was an undercover bike so it’s in a dark charcoal to black in color.
And yes you do get a lot of nice road uses-give way. I was shocked how well they go on dirt considering of the weight.
Best
Dave
Hi Dave, yes they work quite well on the unsealed roads. I think because that short wheelbase & front suspension. I’ll keep an eye out for that black one, that’d look nice. Ride safe. 👍
Love these bags too
Hi. Bought a 2007 (civilian version) 4years ago. 142.000kms on the Clock today and still fresh and smooth. Marvelous Bike !
Great to hear!
Seems like a great bike. Ride and be safe.
Thanks PD , hope you enjoyed the video & will do.
Looks great in white too!
Thank you! Cheers!
Hi, I’ve had 2 of these bikes over the last 4 years and now looking for another. Brilliant all rounder bike.
Couldn't agree more!
Really interesting video, thank you. I didn’t realise the RT was so competent off-road, though I’m guessing the Police often have to venture onto the loose stuff to apprehend/chase criminals. I have a 2021 RT with the fancy 10.25in screen radar cruise, amongst other goodies (except the radio). I didn’t want the radio when I bought mine, so had to buy secondhand to get the radar. (I bought it in November 2022, when the factory shut down and was only selling stock bikes. I’ve got a brand new loan RT at the moment, and it’s has the radio. I wish I’d specced it now because it is a bit like having a pillion on my 230km round-trip, daily commute.
Thanks, glad you liked it. Yes a radio can be helpful when stuck in traffic, you certainly have a large round trip each day. Ride safe 👍.
@@standupmoto Thank you, remarkably, for some unknown reason (perhaps no road closures or accidents on other roads) the M1 Motorway was flowing well. There was only short periods of filtering (lane-splitting) this morning, and very limited on the way home tonight. It was pretty cold though, only 1degC, but the RT’s heated seat, and grips worked well along with the screen.
The RT is a highly capable bike which really does hide its weight well, a bit like Captain Kirk (William Shatner)in his girdle! I do think that when the new 1300 GS Adventure comes out, I may just get one of those. Thevsuspension travel and riding position is ideal for British pot-holed roads. (The motorways are generally in good condition, though).
Steve. Again I loved the review. The static and mobile perspectives intercut was great and well done. Agree with all your experiences; nearly. It’s a bit like the starry about the guy with squeaky leather shoes. Does the squeak persist if he take of the shoes. If it does is he game to go down the rabbit hole and face the frightening question that may be presented if he takes off his socks. Who of us wants to face that questions? Well, ‘is it me?’, was my question when I found the seat on my ‘06 RT ex cop bike. I hated the seat. Less than an hour in the saddle is all I could stand. These bikes in the US support a massive segment of the aftermarket ‘comfort’ seat industry so I figure either, yes, the seat is bad or I have an American arse, or is it ‘ass’ stateside. There is a joke somewhere in there about small donkeys but I don’t think I have the patience to develop it at this time of day. So, hated the seat and sold the bike to a middle age guy who turned up with new gloves, new helmet, new jacket and new boots. I asked if the licence was new and he said no. He rode away and a week later he rang to say that after a few days coming to grips with actions that he had to tell me that he the very next day after purchase he overlooked a left hand bend, crossed the centre line and the opposing lane of traffic flattened both rims mounting the kerb, penetrated a hedge and came to a halt in a front garden of a house. All respect to him for being able to admit it. Aside from the seat I just couldn’t fall in love with the 1200RT as I had years before with the R100RT and then the K100RT. The R version , to me, really fulfilled the BMW advertising slogan of ‘Sheer riding pleasure’. I know that the dogma of bigger better faster that fuels motoring journalism would say I stuck in the past but the two R100 RTs in my garage would say otherwise. Finally this brings me to comment on your demo of loose surface riding. Very good description and video particularly capturing the sound. A guy I bought an R100GS from expressed disappointment and fear while riding on loose surfaces. As you demonstrated I told him to hold the bars with a more relaxed grip, stay loose and use more throttle. Basically to transfer direction control to the rear away from the front. My son who was with just said, ‘Your not riding fast enough.’ For the guy who screwed the ‘English box’ with his newly acquired ‘Teutonic border crosser’, I would probably substitute ‘braking’ for ‘riding’. Another joke in there somewhere. The take home message to all motorcycle riders is that dirt riding gives you the opportunity to become better. Keep up the good work. Stephen Tas’.
Gday Steve, glad you enjoyed it. Apparently the Aus bikes are fitted with “high density polyurethane foam” ordered specifically because us Aussie’s have got sensitive backsides. Because of the vast distances and state sizes the boys spend a lot of time in the saddle, they will often spend 2 to 3 hours each way on the bike just to get to the area they are working on that particular day. As strange as that sounds to put it into perspective Aus is roughly the same geographical size as the US but with only 6 states & 2 territories with the majority of bikes being based in the one capital city within each of those states/territories, the bike mounted cops spend huge time mounted. In saying that I have never ridden it any distance or extended time in jeans, I always wear riding pants. They of course have extra padding or protection pads, I will however have a spoonful of concrete and go for a couple of hours ride in the good old Levi’s to check your theory. After an appropriate recovery time (if needed) I will let you know. There is of course another theory as to why I haven’t noticed it and it goes something like. “no sense no feeling” As far as dirt road riding, I think us older riders that started riding only on dirt in the seventies with bikes that had very poor chassis design compared to today’s bikes had no choice but to learn to steer them in such a way as to not break your neck .Cheers mate. ps (look after those R100’s pretty rare here now)
Brilliant review!
Thanks Bernard glad you enjoyed the video, they are a fun bike. I’ve done quite a few Kms on it now and the more I ride it the more I enjoy it.
@@standupmoto Your review is to the point, accurate, relevant and fun :-) My compliments.
I own a 2006 R1200RT with (now) almost 160.000 km. It's a fine machine. The only real improvement I made was to get its fuelling tuned, which adds 4 measly HP (measured) and - more importantly - makes for a more civilised and smoother ride at low RPM. I also added LED aftermarket bulbs (3x), which make riding in the darkenss a pleasure. This is a huge upgrade to the stock (very decent!) halogen bulbs.
Fuel economy is good, power is decent, certainly more than adequate for a beginner like myself. The only true weaknesses are: an i-ABS system (pre-2007 models, including the GS) that tends to break down sooner rather than later. Cost ~EUR 1800 to fix it by yourself or ~EUR 600-800 in case you forego on the ABS. It seems that if you engage the ABS occassionally and purge the brake fluid every 2 years, the system lasts (much) longer. Another endemic weakness (applies to GS as well) is the fuel level gauge. It is equally prone to breaking down. It can be fixed using a piëzo element, but that fix doesn't last forever either according to sources on the web. Then there's the weight of the machine (as per your review). In the hands of a less skilled or unsuspecting driver this can lead to dropping the bike at low speed. I find the GS (my wife has one) to be lighter to handle at low speeds.
I haven't ridden many bikes, but I do believe that the RT is one of the most comfortable machines than money can buy. It's built for covering long distances on paved surfaces with easy, and for riding in the cold and / or rain. It's an excellent all-weather long-ranger. It's relatively easy to maintain by yourself as well, unlike the K1200/1300/1600.
Thanks for the info Bernard and I’ll definitely do the led headlights update, wildlife here in Aus is definitely a problem. A little extra depth would always be welcome, cheers mate & ride safe.
Owner of a 2012 RT . Absolutely fantastic at everything. I could ride it for hours everyday. The bike handles very well even with two up . I’m stunned there are not more of them on the road !
I agree, a great bike with outstanding range for touring. 👍
I have a 2010 RT and you nailed it, the dash screen is awful. I can never see my speed. Also, nothing irritates me than that gas cover, it is a royal pain in the ass when fueling it up. Thank god it is so good on fuel, my average currently shows 4.7 l/100 k. I can easily get 4.4 during a highway trip. Now, the best thing about it is the electric windshield, I love it. I must say, at 6 ft 1, my legs are a little cramped as well.
Hi glad you enjoyed the video, it’s always great to hear from owners. Yes the things you mention here one can only observe after living with the bike a while before doing the review. Your fuel consumption is excellent, one of the big benefits of these lovely bikes. All the best & ride safe. ps (don’t forget to share the video) cheers.
My first bike was also a used police bike. Arriving in Germany in 1961, I bought from a fellow airman a 1955 Zundapp 600, shaft drive boxer twin, minus the sidecar it had carried when in service with the Polizei. It was pretty well clapped out, but still managed 87 mph, plenty enough for the winding roads of the Eifel region where I was fortunate enough to learn to ride. What a great summer that was.
Hello, thanks so much for sharing your wonderful memories. You were riding your Zundapp in the year I was born, wow 87 mph (140 kph) really is moving for a 1955 2 stroke flat twin. Not to mention the suspension & brakes of the day. We are spoiled today with these features, I’m guessing you were in your early twenties and had no fear as we do at that age. You sound like someone I could sit with for many hours listening to your adventures, thanks again.Cheers from Aus 🦘
@@standupmoto Four stroke, actually, same configuration as a contemporary BMW and not much changed from the WWII Zundapp used by the Wehrmacht. Some German veterans preferred the Zundapps to BMWs. I was 18 in 1961, current bike is an old Beemer K1200S. One of my dreams was to circumnavigate Australia by motorcycle. I have aged out of that, but I have great memories of my visit to Sydney. Cheers.
You'll also find that the oil cooler has a big-a$$ fan on it, something the normal RT misses (at least, here in Europe) I work on police bikes, I'm often impressed with the Government spec bikes well thought out details. An RT-P is often a good secondhand buy. It was interesting to see how good they are off road...
Thanks for the information, that’s something I wasn’t aware of. Cheers
I purchased a 2012 in 2017 and the previous owner had the police cooling fan installed, big difference when stuck in traffic.
I’m a happy owner of a 2009 BMW r1200rt. Bought it three years ago with only 6236 miles on it but now it’s got 32, 000 miles. Awesome bike and I actually bought the repair manual to learn how to do my own maintenance. . Only one issue I wish BMW would change is the seat height. Even at the lowest setting I’ve got to one leg it when stopped. Otherwise I’m glad I own one.
Great stuff, sounds like you have a nice bike there. Yes they are quite tall, good idea to get the manual they can be quite expensive to take to the shop.
I got the same bike 2 years ago with 25000 miles, 09 year gas Guage stopped, shock leaks, noise in the engine, they refused to fix it, a real peace of junk.
I'm bike mad and love any Boxer engine. Seeing you take flight or doing 110kph on dirt was very entertaining!
Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed it. I’m going to do another video on the Police bike shortly and it’s mainly dirt. I also have a love of the Boxer for its predictable power delivery & simplicity. Doing a video currently on the BMW K1600GT 6 cylinder, and as you probably guessed I’ll have it on the dirt also. Cheers,Steve.
@@standupmoto Well I can't wait for that one Steve. Great passion we share and, you are a skilled and gutsy rider! 👌🏻😄
Hi Di thanks, I maybe a bit crazy also. The GT video should be up this week 👍🦘.
By the looks of it all it needs is some 80/20 Shinko 705 and you've got yourself a great adventure bike. Gotta love the shaft drive and the lack of maintenance needed.
Now there’s a thought.👍
Nah, you need to keep an eye on that shaft ,change the fluid and grease the splines occasionally or you could end up with a very big bill...
@@standupmoto Its such a good thought i just did that!
...as well as a skid plate and fender extender of course, to make the full transition to the R1200RTA
@@ads9765 Hey sounds like your going the whole way with that RT, a set crash bars also wouldn’t go astray if she’s not already fitted with them . You’ll probably lay her down a couple of times when doing slow speed turns in heavy ground, not a problem with the bars. Cheers.
@@standupmoto If I was as capable as you in the dirt, Id be a little more adventuress and the need for cash bars would be there but I'm more of a pavement Princess with the occasional gravel road to the campsite. Never say never though.
great review...
Thank you! Cheers!
I had a 2009 Ex police RT. The best bike I've ever had, and that includes bikes like the zzr1400. Love seeing it off road as well. So many people say they can't do off road.....its just a GS in a frock lol, with the police crash bars on the bike its better for off-roading than a GS in my opinion. This video has really made me want another one. Maybe when the warranty runs out on my yamaha tracer7 next year lol
The 09 would be virtually the same I think, they certainly are a capable bike. It’s interesting they just don’t feel like heavy bike to ride but with all the advantages of a heavy bike on the open rd. I actually bought this bike as a bit of a novelty to start with but find myself riding it all the time, it’s just that good to ride. With a set of dual purpose tyres it would be a great light terrain adventure bike (taking in to account not as much ground clearance) but with the advantage of eating up the long distance stuff. It’s also very capable through the tight twisties in the hills. I have ridden many bikes over many years and have to say this bike is a real surprise package, Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for the comment. Cheers.
I own a 2007 R1200RTP and is great to ride. After the K1200GT I wanted back a Boxer. For me it means the real BMW Bike and the legend that makes the spirit of BMW. At all such BMW is more then a bike. In such configuration is perfect to make a journey and to explore the country. Mine owns a navi from Garmin and that makes it perfect for touring.
Hi Jörg yes the RT is a very good bike and easy to own, it’s certainly a lot lighter and more maneuverable than the big K1600. Hard call for me, I have both and love riding both. great to hear your thoughts. Cheers.
@@standupmoto Yes, is a bike that is very good to handle and greatest advantage is that it got a great protection. If it falls down just lift it up, by other bikes is still broken plastik if they fall. I enjoy the riding and to be honest I think even on bad roads it is good to use. I still got a R1200GS and both be able to go via field roads and have a good handling there. For me both are the perfect bikes
Nice film. Get a screen protector cover sheet (like for mobile phones) that breaks reflection and put it on, you will get rid of the irritating reflection.
Great idea, I’ll definitely give that a try👍
Hi Steve, very nice video! So thankful for all the knowledge you're sharing. I'm looking into 2008. Just curious how much was yours and how do you know what price is a steal? Hope you don't mind sharing. Thank you.
Hi Manuel, glad you enjoyed the video. Generally speaking the ex police bikes sell for about half the price of the non police bikes here in Australia . This is based on similar year bikes on the net, however here in Aus the police bike probably won’t have cruise (the civilian bike probably will) and you will have to do the dual seat conversion if you want to take a passenger. At this age they will probably have quite a few kilometers on them which is not a problem for the motor but check things like disk rotor size & rear swing arm bushes in the drive. All the parts are readily available for the BMW but not cheap (certainly in Aus anyway) . Hope this helps, cheers. Steve.
Youll find that the shaft has a P stamped on it. Its a lower ratio specifically for the rt-p
Better for low speed manoeuvring
Great , thanks for the information. Yes it certainly allows for low speed maneuvering without having to slip the clutch beyond where I feel comfortable. Cheers and thanks for the comment.
Great vídeo
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…If you up seat your angle knees go better…
Thanks for the information, I’ll definitely give it a try. Cheers.
Good info! thank you! Did i miss you mentioning what model year the bike is?
Hi Gray, thanks glad you enjoyed it & this one is an 07. cheers.
You could invest in anti glare film to cover the instrument bin with. that could get rid of the glare.
Gday Tom, great idea. Hadn’t thought of that, I’ll give it a try. Cheers
I have a 1993 K75RT. It is in showroom condition. A pleasure to drive, I would ride it cross country with absolute confidence.
I have had a k bike and r bike. Once you have R bike you will not go back to K. The weight is low on R bike plus so nible and no heat off motor
@@jonklein7130 I actually have an R1200GS, too. They are both great in different ways. For longer trips I still prefer the K bike. To me, it’s a more relaxed, more comfortable ride.
I had one identical to that one. Mostly because I am a cop and I used it for duty and of course some fun riding as well.😅
Hi William, no better recommendation than someone that uses one in the job. I was at a Police motorcycle training day some time ago and the instructor was amazing with this bike, he made it sing. Cheers.
Hello Steve !
I now have an Ex-police
2016 R1200 RT
98.000 k first Big Ride Tomorrow 👍
Great stuff Chris you’ll love it, the 16 has got more tech than my old girl also, including cruise (license saver) enjoy your ride mate.
Thanks for sharing. Great host
Thanks Hugh glad you enjoyed the video.
Rt1200 2006 45000 km. Brussels to Athens through the Alps and the Balkans. 4.5 to 5.0 l/100 max. OLast day (sunday) 960 km in one go. The seat is too soft for that though.
That monday she dropped me at work through terrible commuting traffic as if nothing had happened 😅
Just goes to show what an economical versatile machine they are, cheers & thanks for your experiences.
I have the same RT ( the basic model ((cheapest) Mine is a 2005, I,m in the UK and the bike and it has suffered abit of corrosion.Oh and the gearbox failed,,but easy fix (2nd hand box from scappy)all in all a great bike ,thou I do,nt know about taking off road ,, regards
Gday, great to hear you enjoy your old girl also. You mention corrosion, is that because of salt on the roads? Yes it’s definitely a handful off rd especially with road tyres but it’s not meant for that I just can’t help myself. In Aus we have thousands of Kms of dirt roads so when I do my reviews I like to incorporate them. Glad you enjoyed the video, cheers.
You know they get serviced really well as police bikes too. They come up on Pickles in Australia every now and then and always sell super quickly.
Yes Greg agreed, also they can be had at a bargain sometimes. One thing to remember though is they can be hard to move on.
Seriously,one of the best bike reviews 👍.I have the opportunity to buy a 2013 RT ,ex Hamburg Police bike,for only 3000€ with 87tkm.What would be your advice?
Greetings from Germany
Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed it. The 2013 is a beautiful bike with more features than the one In this review including cruise control, if it checks out ok 3k E is a good price. Check for lash in the final drive (a little bit is ok) and check for milky oil (you don’t want that) . Good luck, let me know if you get it. Mach’s gut.
Unfortunately it didn't work out😭.Tried to contact the guy on the phone the whole day,never picked up.This evening the bike was already sold .Looks like i have to ride my good old '96 R1100 RT until the end.Not so fancy but after 139tkm still going strong.Cheers mate🖖
I have the 2013 police version and the glare is horrible. Anybody having a fix for the glare so we can see the important information?
Re: fuel cap. I recon you could loosen the fuel cap bolts and fit it upside down. Would look fine. Also re pillion seat, see my channel for Good value RTP video. There is a very cheap $200? and simple passenger seat diy fix...or you can order $2000? of original parts and do a proper conversion. Good video
Cheers thanks for the info and glad you enjoyed the video.
It's interesting that one old Varadero from 1999 without ABS has the same stoping distance of 39meters. Tested by Austrian driving instructor on his own Varadero which has at the moment 700.000km ...😮
Yes the Vara was a very good bike, didn’t own one but spent some time riding a friend’s. Big brakes and a good operator can bring one to a stop in a very short distance. Cheers.
@@standupmoto I was just wondering, I had before Honda ST1300 but that seat was so low that i had problem with knees at 1.80cm height. BMW seems have a bit higher seat position...did not had a chance to try one and I'm thinking to buy my fist BMW RT 2007 model it has cruise control which I'm not sure if it came with this model year.
@@The_Touring_Jedi Yes the civilian version did have cruise I believe, the RT is super comfortable but being a twin it still gets a little vibie through the bars on long hauls. Having also owned an ST I can say the Honda was much smoother on the full day rides but I also had the knees issues. The Beemer is far better on fuel consumption, the wind/weather protection is excellent. I would try it first before putting your hand in your pocket, I still find the pegs a little high but my knees are pretty secondhand after years of off road riding.
Looks like I`ll be getting a Ex police bike then : Cheers
Well certainly worth a look 👍
Nice finnaly sobody knows how ride !!! Like a man. !!!! With balls
Cheers Bruno.
my god ! here he is riding a RT in the sand like a boss :D it would have be nice to hear what to look for in a second and RT ?
Coming soon!
Hi Steve, nice video! Do you know how to display the speed on the screen?
Hello, thanks glad you enjoyed it. Yes it displays ok , it’s just the reflection that frustrates me. I notice if I lean forward slightly it takes away the problem. Cheers.
@@standupmoto thanks ! I'm sorry my english is so bad. I was wondering how your speed can also appear on your digital screen ? Because, mine only appear on the speedometer.
Hello Steve. You said in the video you had an r1150gs before this bike. Could you compare both and tell us pros and cons of both bikes and if you choose one which one would it be (and why). Thanks.
Hi , both great bikes and both very similar but totally different. Which doesn’t make sense put like that I know but the GS is better off rd with lots of body & engine protection . The RT has far more weather protection for the rider, fuel range is better and as it should be it’s a far better road bike. I guess it comes down to what you’re going to do with it, if staying mainly on the black stuff & doing long distance I’d go with the RT. If you’re more adventuring the GS is probably the way. Remembering the GS is taller if that’s a concern, I’d ride both. Hope this helps. cheers.
Thanks for the response, appreciate it.@@standupmoto
It looks like a police model that was never rigged out as a police bike. no holes for antennas etc.
Hi, yes definitely was a police bike & has all the bracketry. Some has been removed but most of it is still there including the auxiliary battery, abandoned relays & some coaxial cable. But yes your right no holes or brackets mounted to the bodywork. Cheers
This bike seems just what I want. But can you guys tell me if the saddle height is adjustable on the P version as much as it is on the standard model? ( Yes I have short legs ).
Hi yes it is, I have a friend 5’7” and he can ride it no problem. Cheers.
Hi,
How would you rate Super Tenere comparing to this bike?
Which one would you select, if one had to go?
Thanks
Unfair question! Which child should I get rid of? Seriously though I guess it depends on your purpose, personally because of the amount of unsealed roads that I travel on I guess I’d pick the Tenere to keep. The Beemer is a better road bike but the Yam is a better all rounder & it’s got cruise. It’s hard to explain just how good the Super Tenere is, they’ve just got so much manageable grunt. The 19” front wheel is a challenge in the sand but makes up for it when you hit the twisties on the black stuff. There’s also the peace of mind side when you head bush, as in Yamaha reliability.
So after all of that I guess it would be the Beemer that’s up for adoption.😎
How does an RT like to be driven? Low or higher revs? Great riding by the way, almost shat myself on the gravel corners 🤣
Hi Stijn, the boxer seems to have 2 personalities. It will plod around at low revs all day quite happily but when you hit say 4000 and above it grows long finger nails, it’s eye’s turn green and it flies. Fortunately this one hasn’t got traction control or if it has it doesn’t work, that allows for moving the rear wheel out to get it around the corners on the gravel if you’re carrying pace. Cheers
@@standupmoto thank you! So the perfect allrounder! Thanks for the great video! Greetings from Belgium
@@Boterberg My pleasure glad you enjoyed it, I have a small aircraft or should say had a small aircraft that is on display in the Brussels air museum. Hope to get over one day to visit your beautiful country & check out the museum. 👍
@@standupmoto be sure to reach out when you do. You can take one of the motorcycles! 😉
@@Boterberg Thanks mate, zeer gewaardeerd👍
This video is one of the reasons I goy mine!
Top stuff, they’re a lot of fun 👍
This guy was voted, “most unassuming thrasher” in his hs yearbook
Just letting you know that USED (in Australian DOLLARS) the parts for a pillion conversion cost about $2500, IF you can find them!!
Woah , yeah not cheap. I guess if you’re looking to dual seat one trying to find a wreck would be the go to source parts. Thanks for the info 👍
I like the style of your videos. I need a sport touring bike to go about 140 miles round trip and be able to do without straining at 70-100 mph. I’m looking at. a 2008 k1200lt 19,000 milesand a 2012 r1200rt 31,000 miles and both priced the same. I also considered a Honda st1300 but the repeated reports of heat rising up and cooking you turned me off them especially in my hot climate. I hear the k bike is too heavy and too difficult to ride in stop and go traffic. The Rt is suppose to have too much buzz on the grips. So which would you go with? The ST is a couple of thousand cheaper than the bmws. PS stop riding on the wrong side of the road, it’s unnerving. 😉
Hard decision indeed but having owned all in your choice selection here I would mmmmm probably go with the ST, that V4 is just so sweet. Super smooth, definitely no vibes. You can do your own servicing without having to plug in computers etc, they’re just an easy bike to own. Don’t get me wrong the Beemer is great and well featured with good economy, electric screen, seats & probably cruise depending on the year but it does get that buzz through the grips.
As far as riding on the wrong side of the road, I do that deliberately to keep the viewers on their toes. The hard bit is getting all the other drivers to do the same while I’m filming! 😇
Thank you for your thoughts. They have two st1300. 1. 2007 silver 41,500 miles top box and two side boxes. 2. 2005 candy red 43,000 two side boxes and a luggage
rack. Both are the same price. Both in good condition. Which would you choose? Also what about the reviews I’ve seen where several have complained about engine heat coming from the sides and under the seat. I’m in Texas and extra heat is not welcome for 7 months out of the year. Are people over embellishing it or is it acceptable?
One more thing, I’ve read about a speed wobble that has thrown people off. Is this fact or fiction? Worth worrying about?
@@saxtx09 Mmmmm I hav to say I never suffered any form of speed wobble issues with mine, I did and still do run Bridgestone tyres on my tourers. Heat was not an issue to me but in saying that I didn’t use my ST’s (an 1100 & a 1300) in the city much at all, in my part of Aus we can regularly as with you for 6 months of the year get up around that 100f + but when your moving it all gets pushed out. Several years ago I did a run from the west coast to central Aus in 105deg f for 1800 miles at an around 110 to 120 mph through the desert rd (sealed) . Apart from fuel stops we only stopped for one night along the way, the ST was the only bike in the group that could handle the speed with the heat. Even the 1100 is a great motorcycle but unless you can fluke a one owner low mileage bike they are getting a bit old now. Look I love both the ST & the Beemer (I’ve got a K1600 as well) but I have to say for comfort & convenience my 07 Goldwing trumps them all. It is however heavy and has a small gas tank but I live with that, and the comfort level for the passenger is unparalleled. If you can try to get an hour or so on both the ST & the RT, the right one will speak to you. It’s hard but it’s a big investment and you want to get it right first up preferably.
Sehr gut👍🇨🇭
Danke, freut mich, dass es dir gefallen hat.
I’m getting 2011 RTP 11k miles but so worry about the clutch and fuel/gauge problem. Do you experience any of those problems yet?
Hello, no I have had no issues at all, I think these problems are with the early versions of this bike. A 2011 should be pretty sorted by now I would think, 11k is very low miles for an RTP . Good luck with your purchase, cheers.
@@standupmoto yes sir. It’s been in service for Utah trooper for 3 years and ended up in training facility the rest of the time. It’s my first BMW and have never been riding one. So excited about this bike. I also had an amazing deal. Will have it by Tuesday next week.
@@DungNguyen-fj2wp Congratulations, you’ll love it. I should think it would have been well serviced and any problems taken care of by now, the clutch should be fine if you don’t get into the habit of slipping it to much. Ride safe please.
Love the video. I have owned 2 RT's, one dry, one wet. I will never own a P version of any bike. Simple fact. Do you want to own a bike that has been abused on a daily basis? Going from a dead stop to over 100mph to "catch" somebody in less than 5 miles, shut the engine off...is abuse. Now multiply it by 40x/day. These bikes don't do long low engine stress miles and miles type of rides. They also don't disclose any history, ie damage, engine swap, recalls, maint. I think you even mentioned...it sounds better when the oil starts to flow on the engine. Just buy a really well maintained RT by an anal retentive private party.
Hi Mat glad you enjoyed the video, you make some good points here but I think a bike that is so expensive new should be able to handle hard riding, I’m not sure I’d call it abuse. I’ve actually been around these bikes for many years without stating my history and am yet to see one doing wheelies or burnouts. yes at times they are ridden hard but the electronics won’t allow them to be over revved , the brakes including the rotors are always kept within legal limits. In Aus (we’ll certainly with this one) the maintenance release from new is supplied with the bike at auction after its police life. I think it’s more cold starts with short runs that will induce higher wear and tear on motorcycle engines, 100 mph is a walk in the park for these big bikes as you would know. Since owning this one I have met several private RT owners that all say they sound the same when they cold start with the oil. I think it all comes down to have a good look at the bike before you buy it, check all the vitals, listen to the motor, check the brake rotor width, rock it in gear to check for too such slack in the rear end, feel the clutch (not that it’s hard to do a clutch replacement on these) For people that are not mechanically inclined take someone that is with you before you buy , I think yes buy a civilian version if you can because the history will (or should) be well documented and it will probably be better appointed (cruise etc) . But the whole thing here is the price you can get an ex-police bike for, here in Aus, they are half or under half the cost of the private versions of the same year. For those on a budget it’s a great entry level into the big touring bikes, thanks again for your thoughts & feedback. It’s always good information for those new into bikes. Cheers Steve.
ps ( if the bike Cops did 40 speeding fines here in a day @ 20 min per stop (the recommended write up time) it would be a 13 hour day, they would have a hissy fit)
Dry clutch bike, BMW= you have to strip the rear frame back , 80% of the bike needs to be striped back, from late 2013 its a simple wet clutch at the front, dry clutch models had a few problems with burning out
Hi thanks for the information, yes it certainly pays not to slip these dry clutches too much when that much work is involved in repairing.👍
Maybe I should have spent a bit more, I ended up with an r1100rt. It's still great for all day riding, but this bike have a lot of updates.
How do you ride a bike like this on gravel, it seems like it's skating and since it's not a light dirt bike its unnerving.
Hi Aaron, the old police bikes are great value here in Australia. They do have a lot of features for the era but are only a single seat which won’t suit everyone, for the size and weight they are surprisingly nimble on the gravel, but if that was going to be a regular thing I think more appropriate tyres would be an improvement. A friend of mine now owns this bike, he lives in the country with mainly gravel roads and loves it.
Cheers.
My 08 RT gets 56mpg constantly n with 7.7 gal tank means i can ride 400 miles on a tank full, now thats a touring setup. I roll bout 15k a yr. I do lov this bike. Is it perfect no, but its close enough to make life wonderful.
Hi John not a lot of bikes that give that sort of mileage with the comfort of the RT, you clock a lot of distance a year so that would be a good recommendation for anyone considering the RT for touring. cheers mate & thanks for the feedback.
I’m picking up an ex police bike, 2006 model tomorrow 🤣
Enjoy, they’re a lot of fun. Ride safe.
@@standupmoto what a ride ❤️
my 2004 GS with 20L will do 350km, so your 27L will do much more ;)
Hi, yes it gets about 460 riding nicely. Great range for a big bike 👍
I’m gonna tint the display and can you turn the petrol cap around 🤔
Good idea👍
A replacement brake servo is about £3000
Hi , yes new parts are expensive. luckily due to the age there are plenty of bike wreckers with used parts.
I have a 2010 model. Do they all have brake servos ? How do I tell?
If the UK police had your skills, they wouldn't need a separate fleet of dirt bikes to chase the bad guys off-road. 👍
Thanks David but I’ve seen a couple of your SEG UK Pol riders show their talents in a video and they steer them pretty well when the public eye isn’t on them , glad you liked the video. Cheers.
Just remember ALL police vehicles don't need to be MOT'd, therefore there is no record of the mileage with DVLA and any dealer buying one from an auction can quite easily (and do) clock them and you wouldn't know any different.
Yes same here in Aus, you need to have a good look & listen during your inspection. If you’re not mechanically inclined take someone that is.
Where I live in Australia (Victoria) NO private vehicles are required to have yearly inspections , only when transferred between owners so you have to look carefully at all vehicles. Clocking used to be a thing but you would be hard pressed to find one now, it’s pretty easy to tell how many kms a vehicle has done anyway.
Do you know any auction sites for this bike?
Hi Richard, Pickles auctions here in SA were doing the Police vehicle auctions. That’s if you’re in Aus of course but they are national and you can bid online, I would personally however like to be able to inspect the bike before I bought it. Google their website, they may have outside mechanics that can help with inspections. Cheers.
I bought an RT1200P. Where can I get a manual? I'm lost!
Hi Keith, you can download one in PDF and print it from this site www.manualslib.com , cheers.
WOW! Thanks so very much!@@standupmoto
Hi mate, what year is this plz ? Thx
Gday this one is an 07, I was led to believe that earlier models had a problem with the ABS unit and it’s quite an expensive part to replace. A quick search on Google will show the exact year to avoid, this one is still going strong but no cruise if that is important to you . They really are a fine machine to ride, both in the country and city. cheers.
that bike can take the orginals panniers??seems that that bars destroy de connections
Hi Raul, I haven’t had a civilian version of this model to try if the original panniers would fit. I would think it should if the frame mounts underneath came with them. Yes you would definitely have to remove the bar work, even to fit rear foot pegs. Cheers.
@@standupmoto thanks!!!Is hard to BMW response...i have one like yours!!
I really like it but I’m between fjr 1300 2013 and this BMW🤔
Yes hard choice, both are great bikes. I’ve had both, I love the tech & fuel range of the BMW but it can get a little buzzy through the bars after long rides (3 hours +) The FJ is silky smooth with lots of power & cheaper to service but it does feel heavy. Try to spend some time on both (easier said than done) , then you’ll know. Good luck, if you still can’t make up your mind toss a coin, they’re both lovely motorcycles.Cheers.
How much did it cost you ?
This one was 3,500 AUD👍
@@standupmoto
That's cheap
I'm looking at a couple of them now
A 2006 for 7000
And a 2009 for 7700
Both have around 100000 km
Is that a bit expensive or did you get yours at a bargain price ?
@@andrewroberthook3310 Andrew I think I got it pretty right but they are an old bike now & being a single seater don’t fit everyone’s needs. 100k is no drama for one of these, you do need to pop it on the center stand & check there’s not too much backlash in the diff. In general though they are great value and a great ride, I’ve moved mine on now to a mate but really enjoy the time I had with it. I certainly wouldn’t say no to another if one came up at the right price.
How do you pop a wheelie I’ve never done and I wanna try
Hi Brandon, probably not the bike to learn on. I started on trail bikes off rd, best to try to find someone at an off rd track to teach you. Cheers.
What is the only bike I know so when I learned how to ride on the only one I’ve ever ridden I consider myself to be pretty adept with it you know I could do all my clutchless shifts up and down through every gear and I can control it I’ve had the back tire spin out pretty good for the ABS kicks in so I’m fairly comfortable confident I’m used to the torque and weight and the weight
What is the only bike I know so when I learned how to ride on the only one I’ve ever ridden I consider myself to be pretty adept with it you know I could do all my clutchless shifts up and down through every gear and I can control it I’ve had the back tire spin out pretty good for the ABS kicks in so I’m fairly comfortable confident I’m used to the torque and weight and the weight
What is the only bike I know so when I learned how to ride on the only one I’ve ever ridden I consider myself to be pretty adept with it you know I could do all my clutchless shifts up and down through every gear and I can control it I’ve had the back tire spin out pretty good for the ABS kicks in so I’m fairly comfortable confident I’m used to the torque and weight and the weight
What is the only bike I know so when I learned how to ride on the only one I’ve ever ridden I consider myself to be pretty adept with it you know I could do all my clutchless shifts up and down through every gear and I can control it I’ve had the back tire spin out pretty good for the ABS kicks in so I’m fairly comfortable confident I’m used to the torque and weight and the weight
I just buy one it's 4000km
I bought it 3000$ it's 2009
Great stuff and you got it for a good price, enjoy and ride safe.
Are you a pilot? I noticed the "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" tag on your key.
Hi, yes. If you look at some of my earlier posts I’ve got about 12 flying videos, daily Inspection, radio operations, short field landings, etc. But please note the flying videos are demonstrations only, not instructions.
cheers.