When to upgrade your BMW RT to the newest R1250RT?
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Link to the BMW R1250RT honest review: • BMW R1250RT HONEST Review
I believe that this video about the lineup of the RTs over the last 20 years is very much needed as there are many of us wondering when the time for a change - or an upgrade - is right. Since I'm quite familiar with all the RT of the previous 20 years and have experience dealing with them, I'd like to help you make up your mind. I hope you find this video useful! My Instagram page: / thevtold
The 2021 R 1250 RT shown in the video belongs to BMW Liberty Motors dealership in Piaseczno (Warsaw), Poland and there you can test ride it: libertymotors.pl/
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I’ve had three RT and a number of other bikes…but the RT is the best bike I’ve owned. I’ve had Goldwing’s, FJR, interceptor, HD Ultra, Triumph Sprint, etc, etc too many bikes to mention. RT is by far the best touring bike. I sold my last 2015 RT, and regretted it big time….moving to a Goldwing. I found another 2015 RT with 4K miles in Colorado, and rode it back from CO to Scottsdale, AZ. Another great ride on this awesome bike
I'm on the Fence with the RT vs the GW. Both bikes fit my needs but I understand there are electronic gremlins plaguing the newest RT. I've never experienced this but have heard others speak on it. Are you familiar with this. or are these as with most new and updated things are "Bugs" of new the new gen.
I would never pick a GoldWing over an RT between the years 2007-2022. They are in no way comparable. THe Wing is for slabbing it 90% of the time. THe RT is for all roads, including my Walmart shopping. Mountain roads are a thrill on the RT. THe super slab is also a solid ride even though the Wing is more comfortable. having owned several RT, ST bikes, i don’t fear the engineering or bugs that you may experience. BMW has been solid in fixing those things when they happen. GoldWings have also had many (electronic and mechanical) issues as well, so don’t base your decision on that factor. THe only safety failure I know of is on the GoldWing and it has been their rear brake seizure failure. That failure has dumped riders on the street and into the hospital. If i were considering a Harley, Indian or R1800 I would add the Wing into the decision but if I were considering the R1200 or 1250 RTs, those other bikes are not in the same class. You need to look into the Sport Touring category for RT competition and in that class the RT is the best touring bike for sure. I currently ride a Multistrada and a 2005 R1200ST and the next bike i want to add is a R1250RT. I really miss my R1200RT i sold two years ago.
@@mybikegarage1040 my friend rides a 2019 Goldwing and had the bike stall on him while climbing a large mountain road here in AZ. The one issue I had with the RT was with the water pump, where it would seep fluid. This issue normally rectifies itself according to the BMW blogs……..as the seal heats up and seats itself I within the pump housing. Unfortunately with my bike it had been stored for a number of years and the seals had dried out on the pump, so I had to be replaced for $700. Other than that the bike has been flawless👍
@@dcmsr5141 not familiar with any gremlins, but BMW is always good about fixing them
@@dcmsr5141I had dreamed for years about the GW. But truth be told, the trigonometry of the heap/knee/heel of GW is much more punishable than the RT. I ride with two told guys (I am 1” taller) and they complain constantly about this ergonomic issue. The fact that RT had offered since day 1 a 3 position adjustable stock seat to meet rider hight variability (for me) is one of its biggest accomplishments. I never have to add a inner tube or an aftermarket cushion to optimize my trigonometry. Germans are wise there. And for a tourer, that is Prime concern!!!
I just got a 2014 RT and I couldn't even imagine getting a different bike. I love it
Had mine for 3 years. Can't imagine ever trading it in, and I've had over 20 bikes in my life.
I've tried the 2005 and 2010 1200s many times, as well as all the K1600's, but it never convinced me to let go of my 1150. Now I've actually got two 1150's, one in Norway and one in South Africa. And I find the 1150 to be the most beautiful to look at as well. The modern ones look like something from a bad Marvel movie imho.
Wow, it seems like you've become really good friends with this model then. Cool!
I agree I like the 1150 the most for the classic look
How do you live in both countries?
I have one RT 2016. For me is the most beautiful version. Mine has only 5k miles. Premium version plus upgrades. I’m very satisfied.
Just got a '09 RT with 57.000km on it. Sooo happy with it! It's great and comfortable.
It's a very solid bike!
I ride a 2010 RT.
Which is the one you show on your video when you talk about “the 2005 first modern RT”; it’s not a a 2005 model, it’s a 2010’s up to 2013.
The motor is different.
Thank you for your honest and no-nonsense report. I ride a 2007 R1200RT with just over 105000 miles, still rides like new and handles great. I see no obvious reason to upgrade to the newest RT. My only worry is the final drive because of the relatively high mileage --- I will most likely get it replaced.
Thanks! Over 100k miles is certainly something - wow! After this much, of course some things will wear off but it clearly served you well and I'm happy to hear such stories. Good job maintaining the bike well as without it, the story might've been different. Cheers!
That is impressive. You here a lot of people complaining about reliability. I've always been curious about bmw in fact any of the EU bikes
You made my mind up..2013 BMW 1200 rt, it is thanks for the upload ,brilliant vlog, and answered every question in my head...
I started with a 1985 K100RT, which I purchased in the spring of 2005. My next purchase was a 3-year-old 2007 R1200RT. I traded it in for a new 2014 R1200RT. 3 years later I traded that one for a fully loaded 2016 R1200RT. In the fall of 2019, I traded for a brand new R1250RT. I have put 600,000 km over that period of time. My favourite of them all is the 2019 R1250RT. It is very quick and nimble. I have the high seat and am very comfortable. I tour 2-up with my wife on big trips. I am not going to make the trade to the 2021 model because I do not need the larger TFT screen or ACC. I map all my tours and use Garmin Basecamp to load the Navigator VI GPS. I won't be able to do this with the new integrated navigation system of the 2021.
Thanks for sharing and it looks to me like you're a proper RT fan! A loyal one too. It's interesting how you had a chance to experience those different generations changing in time. I'm glad that you're having the one that you enjoy the most now. All the best and let's see what new RTs future brings us from BMW.
"I won't be able to do this with the new integrated navigation system of the 2021.": I have a 2021 and you can import gpx tracks to the nav system very easily. This is what I do for trip planning. Not sure if Basecamp can do this, but if so that's a possibility.
Very informative, thanks! Sticking with my 2008!
I just bought a 2024 RT. My first RT. So I got in at the latest model 👍
Probably i already commented. But now I got r1250rt (2023) after r1200rt (2012).
What can I say. After putting 190k km on my 1200rt I got to point when I thought that it's time to change. R1200rt is very smooth and in my opinion handles little better than 1250. Could be because of extra kilos or because I got used to my old one.
What I really love about my 1250 is the horn. When I used for the first time I scared myself even more than that moron who cuted me on the road😂.
1200 is quieter than 1250.
1200 is bit smaller than 1250. You feel the difference when filtering through the traffic.
My comfort speed on 1200rt was between 100 en 150. On 1250 feels more comfortable, but uses little more fuel.
What I really like about 1250 is the adaptive cruisecontrol. It's very fluent and very helpful when you drive in a fog.
5 position of hands and but heating.
Lights are improved.
Would I trade my 1200rt if it had 100k on it? No!
Am I happy with my 1250 rt? Yes!
Thanks for the info on the RT. Mine is a 2015 gray matte with 17k miles and I love it. Waiting for the 1300 engine to update it. I also have a 2023 RS 1250 and a 2016 pure R Nine T. I love the brand. Life is a ride. Take care and ride safely.
That's quite a garage that you've got out there - nice. All the best with the bikes then!
Sold my ‘17 Multistrada 1200S and bought a ‘16 1200RT. The Multi was beautiful and thrilling to ride. I am very pleased that I made the change.
Every new model comes with the promise of smoother, quicker, etc. My R1100 was even "flickable" :) Time to get a new one when the old one doesn't do what it needs to do. I still enjoy the R1100 for it's simplicity, easy maintenance, and low operation costs - something the new bikes don't advertise.
Very nicely said!
I love my 2000 R1100RT, I find it more maneuverable than my 2020RT, don't really need the extra power but like the electronics don't like the more complicated servicing
I would keep an RT1100/1150 and save £20K, only problem being a clutch replacement. If you buy a new RT never let it go out of a warranty coverage or keep £5K in the bank, alternator replacement is not uncommon and the job costs £4500! Other parts subject to expensive failures. BMW win both ways.
I'm thinking to swith my R1250GSA to RT, major reason is only my knees not as power as before, wonder is that my right choice or not, but I love GSA high visibility, can anyone give me some idea between it?
Very useful. Ive had the R1100RT, R1200RT and have just Ordered the R1250RT 2024....................so this was a very logical summary for me. Thank you. I will make a comment. The reliability of these bikes has been phenomenal.
Greetings, thanks for sharing this video. My favorite motorcycles are the Gs and RT. I own a 2007 RT, I am sure the newer RT models are better machines, but the way the 2007 Rt looks, kept me away from the newer designs, it looks just so cool, I love the square shapes. Awesome bike!
I just changed my 1150 to 2010 1200 boy it was so worthwhile so much better in every way, but I don't think I will change for a heavier bike. Good posting
I would love a new RT but it doesn’t mean I want to get rid of my old R1100RT.
My first was the 1100, exactly as the one in the beginning of the video same color then 1150rt, 1200rt, k1200s, 1150gs and now 2012 1200rt. All I purchased used except for the 07 1200rt. I’m very happy with the one I have now, it has the premium package plus the BMW navigation, bmw tank bag and police cooling fan, all which came when I bought it. I can’t see myself buying another one until this one is completely worn out or I get too old to ride. Very happy with it and just can’t justify spending money on something that is perfectly fine and does what I need it to do. In all honesty, I believe the 1150 were the pinnacle of all the engines because you didn’t have to be a brain surgeon to work on it and those motors will run forever.
When you compare 1150gs with 1100rt which one you prefer? I am trying to choose one over other but couldn't make my mind up yet.
@@deepdiver1069 I prefer the rt because it’s much better wind protection but if I was planning on doing a lot of back road cross country riding then definitely the gs with different riding gear.
Just swapped out my 2017 R1200RS for a 2017 R1200RT and couldn't be happier. At 5'6" with a 30" in-seam I can flat foot the RT where the RS felt taller and tge riding position killed my hands and back after 6 hours in the saddle. The heated seats are superb in recent cold 🥶 weather.
After 6 hours of riding, yeah, a lot can be sore but I can imagine the difference between RS and RT in such circumstances. I'm glad you're enjoying the new bike more then!
The other option of course is to keep an older bike and add some upgrades yourself to bring it closer to the performance of a modern iteration…
I have a 1996 R1100RT. They still go well in stock trim if properly set up (throttle body balancing and valve clearances are vital) but add matched R1200 injectors, GS intake tubes and a Gemi chip, you’ll have more torque, peak HP, better economy, no fuelling issues and still have a bike that’s relatively easy to service and maintain yourself…definitely depends on whether you’re into spinning spanners though!
Not long ago I took a test ride on one .. 1998 R1100RT. High miles but seems well cared for. Wondering if it's worth getting into. The wind protection was absolutely unlike anything else I've ridden. Edit: Do you have a page somewhere that lists your upgrades?
I still drive the 98 r1100rt and with 141tkm i enjoy it every time.
Tough one!
I'll stick with my R1150RT. Still running great! The newest ones are too much stuffed with gadgets and electronics, stuff that can all break down and isn't cheap to fix. I ride a motorcycle, not a computer.
I get your point. Some of the additional features can be cool, useful and directly helpful. R1150RT lacks one thing that I now find an extremely important safety feature - that's traction control. If you have a chance and still enjoy your R1150RT, perhaps you'd be interested in trying the first R1200RT. I feel it's quite similar yet better in every dimension. I believe it's significantly more technologically advanced which you may not like, however sometimes certain benefits outweigh the potential risks. All the best with the RTs!
@@VToldsMotoShow Agreed! Moving from an 1150 to the 1200 Camhead is a nice step into the modern era of RT's, without the additional weight and complexity of the water-cooled bikes that followed. Having ridden them all and owned 4, the 2010-2013 Camheads are easily the best! I found a 2011 with low mileage and feel absolutely no need to "upgrade". The best all round RT I have owned!
I have owned a 2007rt and 2011 camhead. Then bought a 2015 r1200r. I am surprised no one mentions the crappy clunky shifting BMWs. I found the water cooled almost impossible to shift smoothly without bumping helmets with my wife. Wet clutch. I much preferred the dry clutch of the 2011. I have rode the water cooled RT and I did not like the way it felt, the camhead felt lighter and more nimble, Less power than the water cooled but overall the camhead was better for me. Butter on the slab.
Thanks for sharing then, I appreciate it as it's helpful to point out at those differences.
I also found my present 2010 camhead RT was more comfy and nimbler and better looking than the water cooled RTs.
I might get a 2020 RT for the newest motor
Interesting.. I'd love to ride the dry clutch model. I too think my '21 is a bit clunky shifting. Old school, still use the clutch to shift nearly every time in spite of gear shift assist.
Just sold my 2002 1150RT due to regulations in my country. Feel so sad and still do as i never been so attached to a bike before. Simple to maintain and its still a head turner.
Do they ban BMW R1150RT out there?
@@VToldsMotoShow no they still do but only till 2028 due emissions regulations. And by 2040, there will be no more internal.combustion engine vehicles here
Mine is 2013 Air cooled R1200RT. Rather than upgrading to the newer model I am going to spend some money on getting YSS custom tuned suspension as I don't feel like the ESA is as comfortable as I would like it to be and can be improved upon.
After 100 bikes i kept my 89 K1 for 23 years. Then switched to the 2015 R 1200 RS that was supposed to be my last bike. Never happy with the asymetrical and poor functional light and instrument , and had to raise the handlebars. When I discovered the 21 R1250RT I was smitten, and totally happy and impressed. The K1 cruising speed was 180 km/hr, the R 1200 RS was 130, and the RT is 160 km/hr and will use less fuel then the 1200. The added gadgeds and comfort and luggage space is a real bonus.
Thanks for sharing - I see there's been some interesting history!
i started with R850RT from 98, than a R1200RT from 09.. and i bought a R1250RT from 21.. love this new bike :)
Thanks for sharing - I'd say that we could consider you a true fan of the model then ;)
Started researching RT's on Monday. Put a deposit on 2021 RT-LE yesterday! Can't wait to get it, coming from 1200GS Rallye. Thanks for the videos!
All the best with your new RT then!
I have 1200 RT 2008. I like it bc it is very well-balanced in every aspect. Mine doesn't have a radio bc it is a little bit too much for me as a rider and the biggest advantage of that is that I have a huge compartment that is close at hand such as documents, money, bottle of water, first aid, lighter, disinfectant and other small handy stuff. The newer versions don't have that or are far more technically advanced, such as K26.
I have a 2000 R1100Rt and a 2013 R1200Rt and they are both great bikes. Each time I take one on a long road trip I get home thinking it is the best bike I've ever ridden.
Sounds like an interesting choice to make before every ride. I guess I'd stick to the new one permanently though.
@@VToldsMotoShow Either way it's a great ride.
I love my '06 RT and will stick to it alap. And I would still say the design aged wel..
Thank you for your comprehensive report. I currently own a 2004 K1200gt (old classic look), and a 2017 RT (CPU reflashed to 137 HP). Very happy with them. I know the 2021 RT is better, but to replace it I have to spend quite a bit of money for more power, nicer Dash, and the Optimus Prime front look (which I also like). Eventually I might.
I guess that indeed 2017 and 2021 are really so close that it might make sense to wait for a yet another refresh and see what BMW comes up with. When a new GS will come, it might have some nice new features that then may land in an RT. That could sound like a good moment to think about a replacement and seeing more differences.
Maybe one time i Will by a Rt 1200 2008/2010 but i Will never sell my Rt 1150 because it’s the best bike I ever have in 30 years rider….
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Hey, if you like your 1150, then maybe try one of the newer ones just for fun. Either you'll fall in love again or just justify staying with your solid 1150. Sometimes it can serve as a fresh start.
I totally agree. I've tried the 1200 many times but it never convinced me to let go of my 1150. Now I've actually got two 1150's, one in Norway and one in South Africa.
2016 R 1200 RT 100 k
Beautiful 😍
3 ride modes Cruise con l ride and lay it harder than my 2016 R nine T 44 k
These two bikes cover ever ride l do 👍
I have a 2008 r1200rt, comfortable bike with only 34000km.
Before that i ride sometimes my fathers r1100rt 1997.
Big improvement when you compare these two, such as in handling en performance.
I also tested the 2014 1200 rt model and the 1250rt Lc, but for me the steering position is not ok.
It looks like's the handlebar is being made smaller en the seat a lot harder. Still i like the model en de engine upgrades til now.
Maybe in the future i buy a new one but for the moment i am verry happy with my 2008 model.
Greetings
I see. Likely you've experienced the biggest difference jumping from the '97 to '08. I also believe that with time seats could get harder. It's not always the case but tends to happen in cars too. Savings on cushioning perhaps? In cars for sure, but in motorcycles I probably wouldn't be able to guess. I'm glad you're happy with your RT!
I ride a 2007 R1200RT and I'll continue so ! She is already 142.000kms now and still healthy. (don't like electronic throttle too much with new models)
Wow, 142.000 km is a lot!
@@VToldsMotoShow I know a 2008 with 616.000kms !
i bought a used 2010. many years ago i rode a R1150RT it think it was and it was a very beautuful and easy to ride moto. I had my wife on the bike at the time and noticed the acceleration was not quite what I was used to having been riding a Yamaha Virago 750 which was quick and a blast to ride. But i did notice that the way the BMW handled was superior to the Yamaha. I could take it down a gravel road and split the crown in the center all the way with perfect control. The Yamaha Virago would have shifted out of the pile of gravel in the center of the road. And it would have been the rear searching for traction. And this is a shaft drive bike similar to the BMW. At that point, I was sold on the BMW suspension built into these bikes. So many advantages to this simple engineering including the Telelever 'A arm' front suspension to the Paralever rear link to hold the rear end level under acceleration or braking. Don't know why 'Harley' or anyone else put this engeneering into their bikes, but it came from auto which BMW did, so did the others but they didn't start with motorad.
Very nice comparison rundown. Thank you
My pleasure. Cheers!
I have a 05 with about 36K miles, purchased used with 2K in 06. Don't do much real touring, but now that I am retired, I am considering some longer trips. Biggest reason for considering the change for me, concerns on reliability. I recently had trouble with the "whizzy" abs brakes, converted to standard non-abs because of the exhorbitant cost and time to get it repaired. Both throttle bodies had cracked and splitting plastic cable cams, did the replacements myself. I purchased a new fuel pump controller as a carry along, since I know they can be an issue. Still on the original fuel level strip, final drive, and the early version ESA is still working, although the rear shock damping is not what it used to be. Maybe I read too much in the forums, but so far I have had issues with many of the things talked about.
Thanks for sharing and I too believe that with time certain things of a machine will start failing. When? No one knows, so better to be prepared at all times. The real difference is having a warranty in a new bike and not having it in an older one. If you feel that you're thinking about "what next will go wrong?", then perhaps it would make a lot of sense to update the bike. Now, if one with no warranty - you're kind of in the same spot again. New or newer with a warranty? If other features and updates are worth the money in your opinion, then you may have the solution. It may make sense to pay for additional stuff instead of for replacing the old stuff.
The water cooled bikes make a terrible sounding gear clash when put into 1st gear. The 2013 and earlier dry clutch bikes are nice and quiet going into 1st gear
I have just changed a ‘17 R1200RT for a ‘23 R1250RT…. So what can I say?… I love’em both and any other bóxer!!
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Hi V-Told,
Can’t really comment on previous iterations of the bike prior to 2021. This is an extraordinary all around bike in asphalt with premium features that I very much appreciate, a bike to do long distances in comfort for two people. The navigation software is a flop in my opinion, just doesn’t stick properly connected to your phone and it’s a pane to settle or pair it in easy terms. Although I find very useful on longer trips the adaptive cruise control if you are riding and you want to see the landscape or talk and comment with your pillion about something you both are appreciating about the views.
When I ride it alone I set the riding mode on dynamic and you can really take pleasure of a more sporty ride. Very useful bike in the winter because it offers a unique whether protection and a safe and sophisticated machine. This is a keeper IMHO.
All the best! Thanks for the history review on the model and there is info on this video that really is nice and important to know, considering for instance that some modifications in time, seem to be corrected and return to some old features, like the weight of the bike. There are comfort features that even the upper touring BMW model doesn’t have that are exclusively present on the RT. That’s very well thought by the Brand, don’t you think?
Be well my friend ✌️✌️
RT is a legend in the touring world. I always say that there's got to be a reason to Police around the world loving to ride these even despite they're still pretty bulky for city riding. I've been riding R1150RT for some time and wind protection on all of these can be great in the legs area. There were even - I believe accessory - "wings" next to the feet area that would help and redirect the wind from there!
This could be one of the most competent touring motorcycle lines ever, if not the #1 thanks to its great balance and so handling at lower speeds. It's kind of like a heavier and shorter GS in terms of that. I personally prefer GS's style but if I were to travel thousands of kilometers on a highway, in different weather conditions, RT wins hands down! And a number of touring accessories - it may just as well be unmatched! Thanks a lot for the input!
@@VToldsMotoShow Yes, these bikes can make a man very happy, for instance, riding a GS more frequently in the spring an summer and an RT for the Autumn and winter seasons. That’s my goal now 😄
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Im happy With my 1150rt 🤓
A loyal owner ;)
Every new model of BMW computer on two wheels must have 50 ccm more.
I'm waiting for R1500RT
Sometimes it's just a name change with only minor growth in displacement. 1500 sounds like the current K1600GT, so well, it actually too makes me think where it's going with the names.
2010-2013 the best as for me!
I’m like my 2010 RT overhead cam bike also. I’m trying to decide if I should go for the newest 136 hp version
I have the 2014 model fully loaded luxury edition with every optional upgrade. I got it second hand from a Honda dealer who didn't realize what they had with all the upgrades so I got it for a steal.
I rode a 2023 F900 hire bike the other day and the gearbox was so smooth especially on the gearshift Pro, I really want that on my RT. And the brakes were so much better too. Not a fan of the keyless system tho. Definitely a turn off for me. Had one before and I hated it.
The 2005 rt has better looks on the body. The new display on the newest addition is pretty nice.
Great video and comparison of all RT models! I looked at it many times and listened carefully. I own a BMW R 1200 RT 2005, with 54,000 km. An excellent motorcycle, created for riding pleasure. I haven't had any problems so far. I service it regularly, according to factory recommendations, and it is always ready to go. But....I had a test drive of the 2024 R 1250 RT, and I am absolutely delighted with the model! I like the new look, the new 1250 engine, the big TFT screen... My only concern is the overly prevalent electronics, as with all modern vehicles, as well as its reliability and duration. I believe that the previous models are made of much better quality and will last a very long time, with adequate maintenance. I found a used R 1250 RT (2021) with very few kilometers, at an acceptable price and one more year of warranty, so I'm interested in your opinion, should I switch to 2021, considering all my dilemmas about quality. No matter what, I don't want to sell my old friend 2005, because we have a lot of nice kilometers behind us.🙂
Hi, I have a 2007 r1200rt and thinking to upgrade to 2023 one, but based on your comments, I think there is no dramatic changes to worth doing that. In fact, I mostly care about the overall driving feeling you get from the new one compared to my 2007. What do you suggest? Thanks
Just a few quick notes as add on to the RT´s and a few tips if you want to select a similar bike.
The bike ist great and runs without trouble. I am riding BMW bikes since 1977, first was a R45, followed by countless R100RS, one R80RT and one R100RT where also owed by my Son. I was using my bikes up to 90.000 km and then exchanged it for the next until the first R1200RT came. Some years I did up to 30.000 km in mostly in the mountains between Austria, Germany Switzerland and Italy. From the R1200RT I had a 2008, 2012 and a 2018 Model.
Two milestones between the early and the 2008 models: The ABS System is modified and the later models got a better modulator. From 2010 on the engine and the instrument panel got as well a modification and some mechanics call it the best air cooled engine ever built. Later the Liquid / Air cooled engine came with 125 hp. From colleagues I heared that the problem with the fuel sensor foil of the early models is now history on the RT. I had with my 2008 once the trouble and the part got exchanged . That is not cheap when you do it at the BMW Service center is around 200 € all together.
Riding the Bike is as a piece of cake when you consider the weight of around 270-290 kg. Change of parts when you are able to do it yourself it is easy to maintain. The only problem is then that the service reminder on the instruments is illuminated permanently as you need the OBD to connect with the laptop to tell the bike it was in service and the next 10.000 km or 12 Months it is good again.
My next bike could be the R1250RT either used or as a demonstrator why? because of the price, the diffrence can be around 8.000 € less then brand new from the factory at Berlin, therefore it has seldom more then 10.000 km / 6.000 mls on the clock.
Only the Navigation unit is the hindering point at the moment to get one now: My Navigator VI. I can plan on my tour on the Website, create a GPX-File and load it to the Navigator. At present that is in question with the integrated system. If it works in the future that would be the last obstacle and I would have almost no excuse to change one more time, maybe the last bike I will buy, time will tell.
It comes with the adaptive cornering head lights and has also, at least here in Europe, a SOS emergency call system that automatically sends a 112 Call, like 911 in the US, and reports your position. It tries to built a voice connection as well but if the rider does not answer the position is located easier. Some riders who slide of the road into the slope on the side where found too late at the next day. If some would be found earlier they would be still alive. A feature my present bike has and the next also must have and I am more then glad if I never need it like the ABS and the ASC until today despite the far over 200 km / hr the bike travels if desired, happy that we are still able to do it now and then if conditions permit.
Ride safe and return home happy, your friends and family deserves this. Best wishes PETER
Thanks for sharing this with us, Peter. I believe your point of view and observations may indeed be very helpful to many of those looking into an RT. All the best!
It's the one I have c- '14. With the crisis raging, I'm lucky to have grabbed it last year, and replaced an '18 V-Strom 1000. But I wouldn't object to the latest model at all. The seat is low (I'm 1.90), true, and I do feel the with while filtering.
The former I wanted: A purely street cycle, because I grew tired of the tall, top-heavy Suzuki. Not to mention that my wife pretty much blackmailed me to get her a bike with more room in the back instead of the cramped perch between the SW-Motech OEM panniers. The heavier RT is actually easier to maneuver due to the lower seat, and around the city I even ride it with the lower seat position. Though, boy, it is as heavy as fate.
The width at the mirrors - seems to me - is largely, but not entirely optical.
I enjoy the engine and the gimmicks - it's pre-keyless, but with everything else onboard. I find it surprisingly agile and, especially since the new rubber went on, amazingly reassuring. And, no, I'm not a street racer, but a 56-year-old enjoying the comfort, the abundant, but somehow reasonable power, and, frankly, how it turns heads parked on the pavement.
Thanks for your vid, it was fun to watch.
Thank you for sharing!
I'm going to stable my 1986 K75c and replace it with a yet to be decided 1150 or one of the gens of 1200. This video is very helpful for making that decision. 👍
I'm glad that I could be of help. If I may, I think that it may really be worth going for a 1200. I don't know how they compare in terms of reliability but in terms of how nice they both are and how much more effortless the 1200 feels in comparison to 1150, to me it would be worth even some additional risks.
@@VToldsMotoShow Thank you for the advice!
Good point. Open the blind buyer eyes 👌
I think that realistically looking at it, it's tiny tweaks here and there in terms of technology and design and that's cool, but the main features remain on a very, very similar level.
R1250RT 2006 my first and I like it
R1250RT from 2006??
Love my 2013 90th anniversary.
It’s about time BMW made a VTEC motor. LOL
I like my 2010 RT overhead cam bike very much. So much in fact that I did not think 2015 water cooled version was enough better to make me buy it. The 2015 did not seem as comfortable due to low seat height and the motor seemed a bit buzzy. I also liked the looks of my 2010 more than the 2015 as the 2010 just looked better integrated … ie the bodywork just had a handsome put together look from the side and back
I’m trying to decide if I should go for the newest 136 hp version
Pre-2010 have lots of problems. An upgrade to the later bikes is a good idea.
Not sure we can strongly and reliably define that.
Missed 2 important add-ons in 1200. Heated sets and central lock for panniers and trunk. Those are considered premium but the truth is, at least in my neck of the woods; no dealer sold the 1200 without premium
If I was considering changing my 2019RT, I would just wait for the upcoming 1300RT. But I am happy with my bike, so no upgrade for me.
I've just come across this video. I currently ride a 2017 triumph Bonneville T120 which I don't want to get rid of because I absolutely love everything about it but my wife recently started wanting to come out on the bike and again the Bonneville copes o.k but neither of us are particularly light weight and the Bonneville is not a big bike (physically) so we have been looking at touring bike options. I don't want to spend a fortune as it will be a second bike and I am only 5'7" (170cm) with a 29" (73.66 cm) inside leg and my wife is very tall at 6'1" (185cm). I have no interest in electronic gadgetry and I actually thing the R1150RT is the best looking RT and that the newer they get the worse they look in my opinion. Weight is obviously a consideration and I understand the R1200RT is lighter but I believe it is also a bit taller than the 1150 which may also be an issue. We have sat on an 1150 together and I found both the height and weight seemed quite comfortable. So my question is should I just find a really nice 1150 or are the benefits of the 1200 so much better that I should go with that ?
I'd recommend that you try and sit on the first 1200 and see how it feels. It should give you an impression of a much easier-to-deal-with motorcycle due to a weight difference first of all. It also has traction control already.
Still at the 1100. And I will stay as long as it goes 😊
After that, who knows
1150 rt is nog zonder alle tirlanteintjes en rijd ook . is dat 1250 rt allemaal nodig om motor te rijden
Great video, I had the 1100, then bought K1200LT but the weight put me off, now I am torn between 2010 vs 2014 price gap is huge here in Australia 🇦🇺...
Between these two perhaps the design could play a major role. The 2014 might look way closer to the current 2021- MY. The question is if that matters to you and if so - how much it's worth.
I think the biggest reason to upgrade is the water cooled engine and increased power.
Many may like the new big screen too. As long as it works since I've heard some stories of its strange behavior.
2010 r1200 for 6000€, 2007 for 4500€, or r1150 for 2500€, which one would you go for? all three have around 80 000km and full service history.
1150 looks much better to me, but newer ones seem much more beginner friendly (i have two years of riding experience on 400cc)
My 07' 1200GS must really be done and finished, then I'll upgrade to an RT, most likely a 14-16 model
Combining old ladies... RT1200 2006, R1100S, KTM 950 adventure (the grey beast), Ducati 748.... The RT is the best motorcycle period. The others are moody girls but very attaching.
Nice video. I want to change my Aprilia Pegaso Strada with something that has a better wind protection. But I can't make up my mind what to buy.
Purpose:
1. Commute to work in a big city with bad traffic: 18km/one way - 40 -60mins by car.
2. Very good wind protection at 130-140kmh.(80-90mph) for head and knees.
3. Mainly on asphalt : 90% on good roads, 8% bad roads, 2% on gravel or very bad roads.
What models caught my eye:
1. R1200RT - 2010 - 2015 depending on price.
2. C650GT
but also R1200GS, F800GS...
My concern: I tested a 2015 R1200RT and loved it, especially that big electric windshield, but it seems a bit big for traffic filtering.
I know that the best solution would be a scooter + a big motorcycle, but the budget doesn't really allow such a thing.
So, guys, what would you choose? if you have other options in mind, let me know ...
Thanks for your answers.
Interesting case but I believe that if you've got 10% od rough roads, it makes sense to get a motorcycle with bigger wheels and a wider handlebar to get proper control. RT can deal with traffic but a 2015 may be annoyingly wide for riding between cars. A scooter won't help you on rough roads either, so one of the GS motorcycles sounds like a reasonable choice to me. On the other hand you already have a similar motorcycle. If you're willing to upgrade, then both of these could make sense. If you get an 800 GS with a taller windshield, it should be nice to ride it in the city too. R1200GS rides great and it's a pleasure to use it in traffic and it will be more enjoyable at higher speeds that you mentioned. I'm curious what you're leaning towards now.
@@VToldsMotoShow Thanks for your time. Luckily it's winter, so I have until summer to decide. I like RT for weather / wind protection at any speed. I know it's a little harder to filter with it, but I think I'll be able to handle it.
Between GS and RT I would go on RT because those bad roads I'm talking about aren't that bad :)). But I will try to test a GS as well. I noticed that people choose GS although most are used as SUVs ...
At the moment, I am leaning towards raising money and test several options. The only downside to my motorcycle is the wind protection and high center of gravity. I drove 790, 890,1290 Adv and they all seemed lighter than mine ...
PS. the 1290 Adv wasn't so intimidating as the 1200/50GS
I’ve just ordered a 23 RT coming from a 21 GSA 🎉
All the best with the new bike then!
I have an early 2020 model. It’s been great for touring. I don’t fancy an upgrade as the tft nav is based only on your phone and you can lose signal etc. Also using that nav on the go is tricky I hear. The 21 model radar thing maybe fun but I don’t tour on motorways if possible so it’s not an attraction. The only bad thing about the RT is the stupid handlebar design so you can’t mount your phone without a whole day of replacing bolts etc. So I am looking at buying Nav 6 for touring but hoping the prices drop when more people buythe 2021 model.
Haha, good point about the handlebar. It's always been "different". It surely looks cool but yeah, some things are a bit harder to achieve with it. Thanks for your input!
Im still on an 04 R1150RT. Dont see any reason to upgrade. Mostly commuting to work and the occasional 2 up ride with my wife.
Sorry mate. I love my 1150rt... and my 1250r. Not swapping either :) i love my old luxury tractor.
Oh, I'm quite familiar with R1150RT as I've been riding one for a few months and we were rather good friends during that time. However, I think that I'd consider its successor as it felt much lighter in about everything that it was doing. Also, not a completely trouble-free successor at the same time with new electronic features etc.
I gotta admit I'm loving my 2016 R1200 and wouldn't mind going to a full package 1250 but don't feel like the big difference in cost is worth the sidegrade.
2005 generation is the best.!! Less computers then new RT’s
I tend to get the point, however I think I like it due to the lighter feel than the newer ones I think.
i agree my friend i had a 2005 the granite grey one 2 years ago i sold it then started to regret it i started looking about a year ago then i saw my old one for sale with 80k on clock and the guy wanted £1000 more for it than he paid i left it then 2 montha ago i spotted one identical 05 granite grey this one has cruise other didnt they are agricultural but i couldnt agree more in my eyes the 05 to 09 rt is the pretiest by far also she does over 60mpg whats not to lime my new one has 42k on her abd shes my baby i intend to keep this one a long time heres to the hexhead rt
I,v had my 2005 RT now for six years,, I do,nt really like the look of the RT from 2014,the new 1250 looks better to my mind,but having just spent money on my bike ,,I think I,ll stick with my old girl...thou I may trade in the Mrs
Hello, I ride GS1100 since 2001 and I think it is a great bike, simple, reliable and easy not expensive to maintenance. I'm looking to RT1200 air oil cooling model 2006 or last 2013 with double shaft. Can you give me your feedback of these two models? Many thanks 😊
Hi everyone, great video!
I'm thinking of buying an RT, with a budget that doesn't allow me to aspire to the 1250. Quality/price which model do you recommend? I was thinking of a 2014 even if with 80/90,000 km..
thanks to those who reply!
I bought a 05 1200 rt in 2018 in mint condition with 36k km on the clock. It's got 59k on now and not1 problem . I do maintenance my self but have sent it in for a major service before I go for a long road trip in November. My problem is that I want to buy a newer bike not necessarily bmw but find it very difficult coming of the rt. I test drive 2 motorcycles a month and can't get my self to sell the rt and move to the new bike. I always compare the rt to the new bike and can't find enough reason to keep the new and sel the rt. I even tried 2015 and 1250 rt. They drive to similar to replace my bike and the financial cost does not justify a upgrade just yet.
Almost exactly my story too. I was coming off of a different bike and there were reasons to replace it but just nothing really was making me impressed. This may be a sign to keep it a while more until there is something that you'll feel will be worth your money. No need to push it I think. Bikes age differently than for example cars and anyway, today's automotive technology/engineering isn't that much different from that from 2007-2010.
Sold my 2016 RT to upgrade to the twin cam engine, but decided to wait for the now rumored 1300cc rt.
I'm not entirely sure if there have been any significant leaks specifically about the RT series being renewed in the nearest future. What we might've seen and heard about was the GS and likely its spy shots, but I'm not sure a new RT should be coming along with it.
came from a K75RT over a R1100RT to a 2012 R1200RT which had a clutch broken. Now a 2016 R1200RT LC which is my favorite (despite changing the headlight is a real pain). Still not looking for the new R1250RT (yet :)
Thanks for sharing and I see a true fan of the RT model in here!
As a taller rider, I find this fascination with appealing to shorter riders at the expense of taller riders is very annoying
Great machines undeniably but even HD is rated as more reliable, less problems.
I see the newer models as significant potential for unfunded mechanicals.
I'll stick with the simicity and low operating costs of my '92 R100 RT and my rice burners.
Seriously, is HD looking better in terms of reliability? I'd find that rather challenging to believe, really.
@@VToldsMotoShow I agree it's very hard to believe (unless you have owned a newer BMW). Data compiled by Consumer Reports.
The Japanese machine ownership experience is much less expensive and frustrating than the European or American experience. Yamaha topped the list for reliability.
Suzuki did well too.
Simicity?
I am waiting for the R1300RT in 2022...
That could be interesting. My guess would be that a major change may take a bit longer, especially in the case of RT (we've seen some spy shots of a GS - of course nothing is confirmed here too). Maybe early 2023 - who knows?
Hi. Sold my GSA and buying the RT. Think it will better suit me
My biggest problem with the 2005 model is that in the US, with all the traffic jams, it overheats (air-cooled).
Seriously?! I suppose that may be a very hot state that you're meaning. Look, even Italian cops ride RT motorcycles and Italy is one of those hotter places. Or perhaps you're riding in a place where lane splitting is not allowed and you're stuck in traffic jams along with cars. Then I suppose any motorcycle would get extremely hot. My personal experiences in super hot days with motorcycles that handle the heat OK, are similar - if you ride it, make it hot and then get stuck and not move for a few minutes, the fans will indeed keep working. Still, here I was never moving like cars do so never has any bike literally overheated.
Interesting video.
You didn’t mention the 2020 RT …was there a reason for that ?
I’ve just changed from R1200 RT LE 2017 had 61000 on clock .
Pick up the replacement bike in couple of weeks .
It’s a 2020 R1250 RT LE non tft ( not my cup of tea) , like the old school clocks .
I'm looking for a 2nd bike, one my wife will go on the back of so we can do some touring. But I'm on a tight budget so ar looking at the 1100 or the 1150 spending max £2k. The low centre of gravity is a deciding factor for me as I have a prosthetic leg
I'm not sure that either 1100 of 1150 would exactly be very helpful with their enormous weight if you've got to be careful with the leg. I'd take a look and try an older GS, however, these used to be heavy too. But sometimes having them taller may surprisingly feel easier to manage.
I just switched from a Kawasaki z1000 SX 2011 (a really great bike) to a RT 1250 2019. Reason : more comfort for riding longer trips. However, it seems you are missing two points in your reasoning. First, the extra cost of buying new vs a recent used machine: almost 10000 EUR. Second, the increased regulations banning bikes not Euro5 from cities.
I guess the resale value depends a lot on a market. But ban on Euro5... I'm not following the topic. It may also very much depend on a country/city.
I Ride R850R. Like it.2001 model.
Oh, gonna be a classic soon.
Just bought a 2015. Coming from a K1100 LT. I feel that the 1996 BMW k1100 is a better bike. Way more down low torque. Once you shift into high gear, you never have to shift again unless coming to a stop. The RT is rather gutless in comparison. It's really a shame BMW stopped making them. I guess I'll get used to the RT and it's subpar transmission and motor.
Maybe it would make some sense to take a look at K 1600 GT/GTL that seems like a more straightforward successor to K 1100 LT?
@@VToldsMotoShow thanks for the reply. I've looked into the K16 but it is too heavy. BMW should get back to making 4 cylinder, shaft drive touring machines that weigh around 600 pounds.
I like the new one!
So a vote for the Transformer!
I sold my kawa z900 afther 22000 km Hi way and everday home d work for a 1200 rt mars red als black … i hope i can get between the cars in trafic jams and Im looking forward to motorbike vacation now
Oh you should do just fine. Cops in Europe and America manage to filter traffic even in the tightest cities. Sometimes you may hesitate but sometimes no bike or a scooter can fit. All the best with your RT!
Great review thank you!
So basically price/performance - reliability, the sweet spot would be a 1200 rt 2013? (If you don’t care about looks )
Absolutely..... The holy grail being a 2013 90 Jahre anniversary edition. (the black one w/ gold calipers in the video)
2006 R1200RT
I hope you see my question from this older video. Do you think they will be coming out with a 2023 R1300 RT to replace the R1250? The same engine that very possibly will be on the new GS Adventure model? Getting the new RT in my part of the United States has been very difficult. When they come in their already spoken for.
What we know for now is that there haven't been any spectacular rumours about a next RT coming in 2023. On the other hand, this may mean nothing just as well and indicate nothing therefore. We've seen some spy shots likely of a new GS coming and it there are any powertrain changes, likely BMW would want to incorporate them in an RT too. Until we see the GS and what new features it brings, it might be hard to speculate about RT. However, RT had its latest redesign after anything significant changes done to a GS, so if we'd take this pattern into consideration, an RT should come later - in whatever form BMW is planning to refresh it (if at all in the nearest feature). I hope this helps you in any way.
How do you compare R1250RT with K1600GT?
RT is totally useful in all sorts of conditions while K1600GT needs space and speed. I could still ride in most places in the city on an RT while on a GT it was a big challenge. But then the engine of the GT is amazing - smooth and extremely powerful and full of torque. It’s for long highway runs while RT is better on slower roads and some other conditions.
I have a 2013 RT, 90th anniversary model, as expected it does the touring thing well, but what surprised me was how good it is on a back road blast.
I have test ridden the older version of the 1250 and I was impressed and I really like the new version, but I can't justify spending the money when mine does what I need so well. I suppose if I was covering serious annual mileage or won the lottery then I might go for it.
There's a reason that police forces around the world use RT motorcycles. Very capable and cooperating in pretty much any conditions. Also, lots of fun as you pointed out yourself!
Someone should make a review of reliability and years to avoid..
Not sure that anything of this sort can be really done. Maybe the most popular issues but 'miracles' happen here sometimes anyway.
@@VToldsMotoShow not that hard..