I have an RT and I get asked the same question in reverse. I chose the RT over the GS because the RT has better wind protection. Ultimately you can’t ignore the reason there is an RT and a GS. The RT was built for more touring comfort even though the GS is also a perfectly capable tourer. Each to their own. I would not trade my RT on a GS.
I have had my RT since 2015 and the only time I have not appreciated all the bells and whistles was when I found myself on a loose gravel road - 11 kms in and 11kms out to the tar road. The big beast (in rain mode) behaved well and I took it slow and survived to tell the tale. The screen - as long as it is kept clean just disappears after a while - I don't notice it anymore. A wiper at slow speeds in the rain would help. As for being ugly - the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I find those road bikes with a weird shaped headlight stuck out the front to be ugly (the new KTM is one). I have it on good authority that the sight of an RT filling the rearview mirror is an awesome sight. I don't think I could go back to sports or cruiser bikes. You are right - there is bike envy involved when people see you on any BMW - some say it's an old mans bike - but if being comfortable - mile after mile, on a reliable machine makes me an old man - so be it. As the Penguin says "Smile and wave boys" and I will just keep smiling all the way.
I've just got off back to back testing of these two bikes, & bought the GSA 1250. My wife & I tested them 7 times, the GS 1250 exclusive, the GSA 1250 Rallye, the RT 1250 & a brand new GSA 1200. It wasn't hard at all to separate these bikes at all. My wife only has pillion experience & was gob smacked at how different all bikes felt. When it comes to comparing the GS to anything, you really have to separate the GSA from the GS. It is amazingly better the GSA over the GS. When we got off the GSA 1250, we jumped onto the RT & after 10mins our legs were sore. The RT has your knees bent more, & the GSA was so much more comfortable having your legs more "Stretched" out. The handling on the RT was better around a corner. It was almost effortless, where as the GSA it felt like every corner you were almost hanging off. Thats because its taller, & the RT's centre of gravity is lower so turning in & hanging is quicker & easier. I dont find the "Cocoon" feeling of no wind on the RT a good thing at all. The essence of motorbiking is "the wind in your hair" so to speak. I live in Sydney AUS, & its been a hot summer so far, I've almost cooked myself at lights on the 3 week old GSA. When i start moving its only slightly better. My Ducati monster is a delight for summer, all wind ! Do you get what I mean gents? The RT is a great bike, & like i've said before, if it wasn't for the GSA, I probably would've bought an RT. I need multiple bikes, & the GSA nails it for a majority of rides. I've noticed RT owners are usually vertically challenged people. I've never seen a tall RT rider. I now know why after the cramped ride compared to the GSA. I hated the GSA with a passion a few months ago. I wanted the GS, but after riding the GS 4 times on test rides, I never got a wow factor from a GS. Its just a plodder. It does the job. I didnt want to stop riding it, but never had that wow factor. Then, I jumped on what I thought was one of the most ugliest bikes in the world, the scaffolding king of them all, the GSA! Gentlemen, I cannot tell you at how good this bike is. Its a WOW bike!!!!! If you ever have the chance to ride a GSA, I'll give you one massive tip. Put the bike in Dynamic mode for the power, & the suspension in road mode. It is the "Rolls-Royce" of motorbike suspension. The RT's suspension felt exactly the same as the big GSA, but with a more cramped seating position. The big GSA is 20kg heavier than a GS, but just pour 20 litres instead of 30, & you wont feel the extra 10 anyway. The tank is the only thing bigger compared to the GS, but the handlebars are still the same. It is intimidating when you look at a GSA if you haven't ridden one. I thought I could never ride one, how wrong I was. I really like the automatic screen on the RT, & I'm a little lost why the top-of-the-line GSA doesnt get it!!! Now if you plod along on your test ride, these two bikes are going to be very difficult to separate, bar the seating position with your legs. Yo need to ride them a little quicker, a bit like you've just stolen it! Ride them like your on your S1000RR, R1, Panigale, & pretend your on a sports bike. Then, & only then, will you distinguish the difference between bikes. I was once a "track Junkie" & bought a van to go to race tracks regularly. I was a one eyed, blinker wearing sports bike nut. Until I rode the GSA.............amen gents. Cheers groovers ;-)
I can't agree more!😉going for a test ride means testing it thoroughly...explore everything the bike has to offer and try riding it on a regular favorite ride so one can compare against own bikes ridden on same route. your comment deserves a highlight...🤔😎🏍
You've hit the nail on the head there. I've had 2 RTs followed by a GS and 2 GSAs and one of the major differences between the RT and the GS/GSA is that the RT has a more cramped riding position and if youre long in the leg with dodgy knees like me, the RT is painful to ride after a few hours in the saddle. If it wasnt for that, I would still be riding an RT because the wind protection is superior and you get the luxuries like the electric screen and heated seat. I'm guessing the reason why BMW dont offer those as options on the GS/GSA is, as TMF says, they would lose RT sales and possibly make the model unviable to manufacture. There is one other difference in my book. At high autobahn speeds I just dont feel that the GS/GSA is as planted as the RT. The GS/GSA just feels a little light at the front at these speeds and if I was doing a lot of autobahn/high speed miles, I'd definitely have the RT rather than the GS/GSA even with the more cramped riding position
@Moto Groover, Great Data, I have had all the bikes I really wanted. 996,998, BMW RT, Wing, all the GSXR's, Aprilia RSV 1000 R, then I bought a Super Tenere left over new for $12K . I liked them all but still needed a ZX10R 2015 to satisfy my need for a light high performance bike. Then only difference now is I trailer it long distance for some rides. The Super Ten I do long distance on and some off road. The GSA still eludes me due to cost.
@@Belindaxtz660 Yeah the missus got a bit tired in the end after 3 different bikes on the same bit of road. So I dropped her off back at the dealership for a coffee break whilst I tore the rear tyres off the bikes! I had the GSA 1250 up at 148kmh through twisties & had that feeling I was on a very tall sports bike. When I slowed down to about 98kmh, It then dawned upon me that I was on brand new rubber & had to scrub them in! Strewth!!! All 3 bikes had no more than 40 km total on them!! I loved all of them, but that suspension took the cake on the GSA. What a difference it made once I turned the wick up on them. The truth came out in spades. Cheers groover ;-)
@@mickfinn2596 Yeah I haven't experienced the very high speeds yet. Just picked her up from the first service, so the lights are finally green!!! Nudge, nudge, wink, wink! But I'd have to agree with you, as when I'm on the motorway doing between 110kmh to 140kmh, you can tell clearly the wind factor begins to dictate the posture of the whole bike. I actually questioned that point in my mind whilst riding, wondering what it would be like at 200+. I was truly gobsmacked at how well the RT handled. That huge front contraption you have when riding doesn't make you feel like its going to handle at all. In fact straight line riding is more the feeling you get at first. But once you dip her into the turn, I could've swore I was on a 600cc bike! & that was with the missus on the back!!! Strewth!!! And I'm comparing this type of handling with my ex '14 RSV4, ex '16 S1000RR, & all my lovely 90's GSXR's I tracked regularly. That is a big statement to make for a bike. Hats off to the RT. Cheers groover ;-)
Another factor you might want to consider when you’re pondering this question. How old are you? If you’re higher mileage in age, the RT has comfort and convenience features that will have a strong calling and appeal to you. Your body will keep thanking you for the heated seats and grips, the push button windshield, the central locking system, side storage cases and that “ugly” (form follows function) fairing every time you mount the bike and go for a ride. I wrestled with this same question awhile ago (GSA or RT?) and the RT was my choice. So you probably guessed that I am a youth challenged person riding an Old Mans Bike. Right. And proud of it. The bike that is. If you’re younger or middle aged now and prefer the GSA, you might have a change of heart when you start knocking on the doors of the Golden Years of your life. If you’re younger or middle aged and prefer the RT, you’ve planned well for the future. So put me down for the RT - from a happy Old Guy on an Old Mans Bike. 🙃
I'm also fast approaching my bus pass, and am more than happy with the RT. I have two other friends of similar age, both of whom chose the RT. In all cases our better halves preferred being a passenger on the RT. So it looks like it really does suit us old fellas better. Also, my good lady isn't keen on me growing a beard, so I can't really embrace the Charlie Boorman image. ;-)
Sooty Beemer “Bus Pass” - LOL 😆. Luv it. 👍 I tried growing a mustache and/or beard several times but my better half gave me a tongue lashing every time so here I sit with no facial hair whatsoever. But having the RT puts me back in good standing all the time as she loves the pillion on it. OLD FARTS FOREVER!!!
33 years old and bought a 2019 R1250RT. Sold the Harley. When it comes to safety and comfort it was a no brainer. Not trying to fit in with any kind of motorcycle riders. Just love riding. 🤙🏻
STOPsign Age is just a number. Take a look at many of these top BMW Adventure schools and these guys are up there. Many of the men are well into their 50’s and 60’s. Rawhyde for one here in Texas in the States.
Last 10 years I've gone thru 3 RTs (2 of the 1200 and one 1250) and 4 GSAs(3 1200 and one 1250)... After all that I am back on 2021 R1250RT currently. Even though I love GSA in many ways somehow RT has its own seductive appeal on me that lands one of them in my garage again. GSA is like a Jeep while RT feels like a two door sports car to me. Seriously though even I love GSA's versatility it makes me feel like I am not a 100% rider. Everytime I come to a stop on my GSA it feels like I get a little wobblier just before the full stop.. Yet, I can come to full stop on my RT and I could still balance the bike at full stop for a second or two before I put my feet down. RT is so well balanced that it makes you feel like you're an expert level rider. Your U turns becomes tighter and less wobblier or coming to full stop, slow parking speed maneuvers all become more stabilized compare to the ones you perform on a GSA. If I could afford more than one bike I'd still have a GSA in my garage in addition to my RT. But if only one bike I am kind of 50/50 or maybe 51/49 RT/GSA ratio... My '21 RT now has AM/FM?Sirius-XM installed too. Even though Motorrad Connected needs a lot of upgrades and improvements, 10.25" TFT looks good.
2012 RT rider here. The front fairing on mine doesn't seem to look as bulbous as the new one but it wouldn't put me off riding the new one. All that being said, I'll keep my 2012. It suits me perfectly. Enjoyed your reviews.
Very thought provoking TMF , I,m actually picking up my new RT tomorrow after 4 yrs of GS ownership. Comfort and weather protection are the deciding factors, although I have grown to like the look of the RT over recent months. As you say, both great bikes.
I am an RT man through and through.The GS and GSA are excellent bikes built for a multi purpose roll.The RT is a pure road bike that out handles any GS or GSA on the road.The reason the RT handles so well is of course a 17" front wheel as opposed to a 19" on the GS. If you own a GS or GSA with wire wheels,the difference in handling is even more pronounce.The wire wheels are built for off road use,they are strong and flexible.The flexibility of the wire wheels is the main reason the GS's loose out on the road,to the RT with cast wheels, which have no flexibility so they provide a more precise,pin sharp handling. The RT is smoother to ride because it has a heavier flywheel. Choosing between the GS or the RT,is like asking fellow bikers which is the best oil or which is the best tyre.You pays your money,you takes your choice,they are both brilliant.
If you’re tall, I’m 6’2”, no contest! GSA every day. I have a 2018 GSA1200, my 3rd GS. It’s been to 20 countries and done 32000 miles. Last week I ordered my 4th, a Triple Black GSA 1250 - with a heated seat 😊
They both look great but I like being up high and upright position along with the long travel suspension that adventure bikes have, just soaks up anything and everything on the road.
The GSA isn't really less weight than the RT. I just measured the weight of my saddlebags (2014 R1200RT) and they weigh 13.5 lbs apiece. Subtract that from the stated weight of the 1250 GSA and you end up within 8 lbs of the 1250 RT; that is the weight of the extra gallon of fuel the GSA carries. If you ride your RT without bags (like a bone stock GSA) there is no real difference.
Good question and well answered Mr Flyer. Being able to remove boxes and the ability to attach things to the general scaffolding is by far more practical for the non touring days
Easy to see what Police forces and Ambulance services prefer. RT is an ideal bike for them, does everything. See the way they throw them around, even at low speeds. If I could afford one, I'd have one.
I have watched most of you videos and I would say that based on how and where you ride the RT would seem to be the logical choice for you. The GS just seems to be the easy choice for too many riders. Many of them seem to be more in love with the bike lifestyle they infer, just like an HD does, than the riding itself. I used to teach photography and I see many similarities. It was often look at the camera I have rather than look at the photos I have taken.
Sorry Andrew but I have to disagree with you, you go anywhere in Europe during riding season and what do you see most of? BMW GS/GSA They are probably the most expensive option too, so why would people pay all that money, that's not exactly the easy thing to do is it? They are popular for a reason, I have owned 6 fireblades in the past 20 years and never ever thought I would ride a BMW adventure bike, been on one now for 5 years and I can honestly say it is the best 5 years of my biking life, it's taken me all over Europe, with more luggage than I ever needed, in absolute comfort, 300 plus miles on a tank of fuel, cruise control, etc. etc. Have you ever spent any time or done any distance on a GS? Try it then maybe like me you might just get it! I'm quite careful with my money but have just ordered a new GSA 1250, tried all the cheaper options 1st, but in my opinion nothing compares
@@firebladedan1 Yep you're right. Most are bought cos their mate has one. And their mate. And theirs. Baaaaaaaa! A lot is the Long Way Round effect and the fact that half the motorcycle media are owned by a German company so they daren't criticise it. Sure, they're great bikes, but most owners ignore their faults cos as you say, when you've paid that much money for a bike, it's had to admit to yourself it has any faults! SO they pretend it hasn't.
@DannyB: horses for courses of course and having owned and extensively toured on both a GSA LC and my current RT LC over the past 5 years (and with 3 vfrs - my previous favourite bike type- on SORN that will likely never be used again, I would partially disagree and say the RT is the better bike for serious touring. Its marginally stiffer and tracks better on good spanish, french and Swiss N roads and is more protective. The GSA is smoother and more comfortable on bad roads, is more comfortable if you are 6’5 or taller and gives a pseudo-confidence that on it you can go anywhere (of course 99% of all owners abilities incl mine are nowhere near to take that heavy monster anywhere but the smoothest gravel at 10mph- which the RT can do equally on those terms). And it has 50miles more range than the rt which again is irrelevant as very few people tour alone and fuel stops are defined by the least range in the group, so you stop anyway. And noone goes touring In Transiberian terms.
I have tried all the new R1250s but the RT. However, few years back I got to ride a R1200RT AC for a day whilst my R1200R AC was in service. I was surprised how quickly the RT turns, I filtered quicker on the RT than my R. I think it was due to the rake angle. The new RT also has steeper rake than R. What's more was that I felt like Cpt Picard commanding the USS Enterprise! RT over GS any day!
This vid is a great testimony of the great efforts the guys at GoPro have made in order to make their cameras aerodynamic. It's truly a remarkable job.
Another great review TMF and one that will split your subscribers for sure in a healthy way though. Having tested both myself I went for the RT, here's why for what it's worth. The GSA is compromised on the road with the offroad large front wheel which I felt lacks the feel of conventional road size wheels especially if you're in a hurry. The RT has a wider choice of tyres. The GS is much more difficult to keep clean especially the spoke wheel versions. I often ride two up so the larger seat and adjustable screen helps. The RT comes with colour matched panniers so no need to fork out more on them. I happen to like the sound system available for the RT. Finally I didn't need to change my wardrobe, helmet or boots for the RT either ;)
Paul Harris totallyagree Paul. For me when I have ridden both bikes, the 17" inch front wheel on the RT makes a world of difference in improved handling versus the 19" wheel size on the GS/A's which feels a bit sluggish. For taller riders, I can see how the ergonomics could be better on the GS.
I am on my 2nd RT now and i think the handling is the best of any bike ive ever ridden. My lass who really does not like going on the bike but does just to be with me some times says it feels safe and secure and that makes her feel comfortable while being nervous at the same time. It suits my riding style and makes me smile being on it, Music on riding along totally relaxed. Your right though it was 21k with the inner bags and comfort screen so bloody pricey for a bike and its only now im mortgage free i can have a new one. Off round Europe for two weeks in June so real touring comfort will be tested then. My 1st RT was the 2010 Twin cam and that was a really good bike but the LC version is a step up so i bet the new 1250 will be better again.
Great review again Mr TMF! I love both bikes. In the event that a BMW ended up living in my garage I would go with the GSA. I agree that 95% of my riding would be on tarmac. I like the ergonomics of the GSA better especially the seat to peg dimension. My second factor is that with the GSA when you are on tour and hit road construction or a truly crap road surface you have the ability to stand up and ride (also nice for just stretching old legs and back). Final consideration is looks. I LOVE the GSA’s looks. Especially in the Exclusiv spec with the Kalamata Metallic paint scheme. Thanks for the thought provoking video! Peace!
I worked in Ducati Glasgow for nearly two years selling bikes and have pushed almost every bike you can think of and the GS was the most surprisingly light and easy to manouvre given its size!
I tend to not wave or nod to GS riders any more because I never get said nod or wave returned. It's them not us with the problem. You are an exception though TMF. You're alright you are lol
Once again, nice video. And some good points. From my side, I owned the Honda ST1300 and loved it. I went everywhere on it, mostly camping. Then a couple of years ago I changed and got the BMW R1200 GSA. Again I love it and will keep it. But I still love the ST 1300 but my reason for changing was that with the GSA I can now throw on my tent and a load of other thing and tie them down. I could not do that really on the ST without wandering if I was going to scratch the plastic or not. The added bonus of having the crash bars on the GSA takes away that worrying feeling of what if I ever dropped the ST and have to fork out a ton of money for new plastic. I have been off road and I will again. But I mostly ride on road and over here in Sweden, bikers don't care what bike you have. I am touring Europe in September and again that added feeling that if I drop the GSA on the tour doesn't worry me. If I did it on the ST I´m sure it would. Plus I like that you can upgrade the GSA and make it your own with the help of companies like Touratech.
The RT might be ugly, but the GS is close behind. Of course the ultimate reason I had to have the RT is the length of my legs. With the low seat and thick soled boots, the RT is still a hair too higher than I like, so the GS is out of the question. With that said, I am a touring rider and like my comforts and weather protection, the RT does that best. For long cold rides it is important to keep your legs out of the wind, and I was surprised how well the RT does that, as it doesn't look like it will do that as well as it does. The fairing and windshield do a great job too, it is more like driving a convertible than a motorcycle. I like it ! If I wanted to ride the dirt, I would get a real dirt bike, I have no desire to pull a 600 lbs. bike out of the mud and no need to just look like I would. Actually, I have taken my RT on dirt roads and find I can stand on the pegs quite comfortably. Would I buy a GS if my legs were longer? Nope, the RT is what I want in a bike, and when I was crossing South Dakota , I enjoyed listening to Jazz on the satellite radio too.
I own a GSA but hired an RT for a 2 week 2 up trip though the European Alps last year. I agree with your conclusion however another interesting difference was the gearing ratio. I found the RT 1st and 2nd gear range (incl. quick shift down to first gear) really useful through the twisties.
Firstly I must declare that I own a GS Rallye and I love it and I prefer the looks and the colour scheme. With regard to that waving thing - I used to be a waver (or nodder) but now with the amount of traffic here in the South East I am usually to busy trying to stay safe to let a moments distraction creep into my riding. So to all the other riders I might pass down here in the SE I apologise. I'm not being off but I am just too busy hanging on and avoiding all the other road users.......🙌👍
I have done a fair few miles on both the standard GS and the RT models from 2008 through to the twin cam (pre-water cooled models). Both bikes handle much better than you would believe looking at them and both are very well put together, however the GS is the clear winner for me. The GS is lighter and feels much more nimble and is the better handling bike of the two. I know exactly what you mean about the pressure on your back when the screen on the RT is raised which I don’t like, and the GS doesn’t have that problem. I’ve owned two GS’s and they truly are jacks of all trades, I have done everything from touring to track days with ease. For me personally I question the RT’s possible advantages: 1. bigger fairing - I don’t find the GS fairing an issue, and there’s less likely to be expensive broken plastic if it gets dropped or goes down the road. 2. electric screen - I don’t need an electric screen and find the GS one stays in the bolt upright position, and works fine without adjustment. 3 two equal large panniers - The standard GS has the advantage of vario panniers that keep the bike slimmer until you need the extra space. 4. a stereo - Nowadays you can listen to an IPod or listen to music stored on the satnav with a Bluetooth or wired headset. 5. Heated seat - I’ve never found it was something that bothered me, but I could get an aftermarket option if it did. 6. The larger 25L tank on the RT over the standard GS 20L tank is nice, but as I get older I like to have a brief stop every few hours anyway. At the end of the day you pay your money and you make your choice, both are great bikes.
Curious why no one ever mentions the different rear drive gear ratios between the RT and GS. When I had my 2010 RT, commuting speeds of around 80 mph, it spun around 800 - 1000 rpm lower and felt much smoother than the GS. I would typically get around 50 mpg or better and my friend on a GS would only get low 40's mpg at 80 mph. I guess with the new water cooled and now shift cam engines maybe much smoother at higher rpm's. Just looked at the parts fiche and still is different PN's for the rear drive between the 2 with different ratios listed...not sure is the same 800 to 1000 rpm or so difference at same speed / top gear...
Great review. A long time motorcycle rider dating back to 1982 when I first was licensed to ride on the streets in the USA. Currently working as a Police Officer in Southern California (San Diego County) since retiring from the military (USMC) in 2004. Presently assigned as a Police Motorcycle Officer since 2010 and have ridden several iterations of the BMW RTP with my current work bike being a 2018 BMW R1200RTP. In 2016 I transitioned from a 2013 Harley Davidson Road Glide CVO to a 2016 BMW R1200RT after being issued a 2015 R1200RTP at work. I really liked the water cooled RTP over my air cooled 2012 RTP work bike. So much that I transitioned from my HD CVO Road Glide to the 16 RT. In 2018 the itch was there to try a GS or GSA and after numerous test rides I went with the low suspension GSA Rallye and I sold my 2016 RT. So after 3 years of GSA ownerships I am considering going back to the new 2021 R1250RT. I spend more seat time on the RTP because it is my job so you can say I am biased towards the RT / RTP over the GSA. Both are great bikes and I believe you can not go wrong with either one. One of the main reasons I bought the GSA was to do some off-road riding, nothing overly aggressive, no single track but gravel roads to do some exploring. I already owned a 2015 KTM 690 Enduro R when I purchased the 18 GSA. Having already ridden the KTM off-road it was like riding a mountain bike with a engine strapped to it. Light weight compared to the GSA and easier for me to handle over the GSA when I wanted to have some fun sliding the rear wheel around the dirt road corners. The GSA quickly became a street bike only for me. I like the larger screen of the RT for weather protection over the GSA. The RT comes with side panniers. I purchased the side BMW panniers and top case for my GSA at over 2K.
The RT is a beautiful bike, it has a Suzuki VStrom look, and it is a handsome bike! I'll have to look at a RT but it might be out of my price range. But wow both bikes are very beautiful, and they're BMW's. Nice review friend! Good job.
I have an R1200GSA LC, my wife an R1200R LC and I have good friends with R1200RTs and R1200RSs (all LC) so I have been lucky enough to compare the different versions quite often. I would assume that the characteristics between the various models transfers to the 1250 as well..... My comments comparing the Adventure to the RT are: 1. First up, I never cease to be impressed by how BMW have used the same driveline to create versions that are so completely different to each other, each with their various pros and cons as well as character. 2. On that note, the "feel" of the two is completely different. The RT is quiet, smooth and refined. My Adventure, however, pops and farts and most definitely has a louder (standard) exhaust. The R1200R and RS are somewhere in between. 3. I'm a touch over six foot and have lanky legs, so straight off, the Adventure is way more comfortable for me (I can flat foot it with the seat on the highest setting). The RT feels very cramped by comparison and becomes uncomfortable (for me) very quickly. I dare say that shorter riders would have a different opinion between the two on this matter! 4. There is no doubt that winter protection on the RT is superior but the Adventure performs better than most fully faired bikes (once aftermarket hand guard extensions are fitted) so isn't far behind at all. However, when summer comes around, the RT loses out, as it is just so hard to get decent airflow. Then again, it does have better bodywork under the rider's backside on the RHS to deflect engine heat away. On the Adventure (and my wife's R), scorchingly hot air is pumped out in this spot, all but frying the underside of one's right thigh. On days over 40 degrees this becomes just crazy. In rain, this airflow means water is instead pushed out this area, soaking one's right leg very quickly indeed (we have made our own plastic deflectors/sidecovers which help solve this). 5. The great advantage of a good adventure bike like the GS is that it still performs flawlessly on below par roads. English roads are beautifully surfaced, smooth and generally well maintained. Other countries are not so lucky. To be pushing a GS swiftly on a nice winding road only to have a well hidden bump or pothole suddenly appear on line barely affects it. The RT, whilst still very good isn't as good in this regard. 6. If you ever ride on dirt roads, well it's a no brainer (although I agree with the MF that a high proportion of GS riders don't even know what unsealed road looks like.....) That's my take. I don't say the Adventure is a better bike than the RT, it just suits me and my riding better. Both are wonderful bikes and mile-munchers supreme, yet so very different to each other.
There are some major differences between these two bikes which can be significant for some. If you are tall, I'm 6' 4", you will find the rider triangle cramped on the RT compared to the GS, where due to the extra ground clearance the pegs are lower, relative to the seat and where there is also plenty of room to use lowered pegs without any danger of scraping them or hitting your feet on the ground. The second big thing for me is the suspension, I have an R1200gs Rallye with the sports suspension, 20mm taller and stiffer sprung, I believe that's the adventure suspension essentially. With the ever deteriorating road surfaces I seem to encounter, 10" of suspension travel with the self adjusting preload and damping of the ESA makes such a difference to the ride comfort, much easier on the spine and rear end with no hard jolts. I have a road orientated older BMW and the bike is fantastic and my newer GS in many ways is only marginally improved, but for my size and use the GS riding position and suspension are huge winners. Where I live the weather is also hot and dry in the summer and so less, is more, in terms of weather protection, so the GS screen and less bodywork is in part why I didn't get a GSA and would also go against an RT for me, I need all the airflow I can get, but like enough of a screen to just keep the air pressure off my head and torso for relaxed high speed cruising.
I'd happily own either of these bikes, but bearing in mind the costs involved I might also be considering the R1250RS, which sits nicely between the out and out tourer (RT) and the more off road biased GS. After 40 years of riding and more than twenty different bikes, my experience is that logical choices play a relatively small part of choosing a bike. We ride bikes because we love doing it and the bikes we choose are the ones that stir the soul rather than tick all the boxes. I use my bike to ride to work and for a few long journeys and traded in my eminently suitable Africa Twin for a CB1100RS, hardly a rational choice! For that matter, everytime I visit my nearby Indian dealership and look at the Indian Chief Dark Horse in the show room, I want to own one more than any other bike, despite knowing it would be entirely unsuitable for my needs. But that's what motorbiking is all about passion not logic!
As usual, thank you for posting. Great video. If you don't mind, I would like to add two points to your video. First, is the climate where the rider lives. From the UK, having the RT would be a benefit (as you mentioned) due to the cooler climate, but also one must consider riding in hot weather. I have ridden my GS in temperatures as low as 15F (-9C) and at above 100F (38C) in relative comfort. The RT might protect too well at the higher temperatures (I could be wrong). Second is the possibility of passengers. I think it would be fair to say (at least where I live), that you are most likely see passengers in an RT than in a GS. I enjoyed this video very much. Thanks for listening.
Hey Kid! Great new vid. Am a K1600GT owner, but still think the R1250RT is absolutely beautiful!! I know, i know, matter of opinion... :-) Keep them great vids coming!! Love it! Would also like to see an indepth side by side comparison by you on GT vs RT!
Thanks for sharing this. I think I would have to go with the RT. I am strictly a road rider and I would prefer the better weather protection and the heated seat.
Both Beemers are great kit if used for what they are made and marketed for. The GS gives you an off road option so it has to get the vote over the RT. Then you are in Multistrada and KTM territory. 1st world probelms hey gents. Can I just say on the off road question. Granted you will get people who will sneer at you for not taking the GS off road. Whatever the reason you enjoy the bike that's all that matters. And that's your business. If you owned a Ferrari Testarossa and drove it across the Sahara instead of up n down the Cote D'Azur thats okay too. The bulk of sportsbike owners are not gonna enter the TT or NW500 but its ok for them to enjoy just popping the shops on. Why should adventure bike owners get flak for doing the same. Lets all nod to each other based on the brotherhood of motorcycling not brand.
A few years ago I was in the market for a new bike the GS Adventure was what I wanted but on borrowing a friend's one , I found that I could barely reach the ground on it, even though it was fitted with the low saddle, but if I had to stop on an incline or uneven part of the road I was in trouble, so I bought the RT the older air-cooled version a bike I now love and still have, I'm not a fan of the nose on the new RT's still great bikes though, as for the stigma yes you get it with the RT too a lot of riders don't salute back, strangely enough a lot of traffic cops do though , great videos mate really enjoy them
Given the choice I think I'd go for the R1250RS, as I prefer the sporty looks. I'm not particularly bothered about having acres of wind protection but just enough to make a journey less tiring, afterall it's a motorbike and feeling the breeze is what it's all about.
Would love to see a review of the new R1250RS and the comparison between RS, RT and GS. I am a GS owner but have always like the look of the RS, but having never ridden one I have no idea if I would like it as much as my GS. There never seems to be any demo bikes to try where I live. TMF over to you - 1250 RS review please!
Bunter1815 pity, as I was really looking forward the the new bike. That said I loved the looks of the 1200 RS. Marmit I know with the squint eye thing, but by far the best looking bike out of the RT, GS and RS
Spot on and I 100% agree. The GSA also has LED headlights and the legroom is much improved over the RT for taller riders. I now own both a GSA and a GS Rallye and love each one individually, but make no mistake, as much as they are similar they are also vastly different. The GSA’s bit of extra weight and weather protection makes it more comfortable on long journeys, especially when faced with crosswinds and/or rain. The GS is more enjoyable in the twisties, but for lane splitting the slightly narrower handlebars offers almost no benefit other than what you may perceive. I am incredibly glad I don’t have to choose between them.
After riding my GSA for 5 years with the last 2 years never going off road. I looked at the RT and K1600GT, as a replacement. Loved my GSA and a lovely riding bike. She did everything I ever needed her to do. After riding the RT and the GT, I went with the GT. Great weather protection, which was lacking on the GSA. Riding long distances and commuting to work daily, just loved the GT. She is a heavy girl, with wide hips. But, one of the most comfortable bikes I tested. With this all said. There are times I do miss the GSA with that massive fuel tank :) And the newer GSA is coming with more gadgets like the RT and GT/GTL. So, it just comes down to the rider and preferences. Important thing is you are riding and enjoy the riding.
There's no doubt that BMW have built a superb tourer, and if I could borrow one for 2 weeks every year to do a 2000+ mile euro-tour, that'd be great (can I, please BMW UK??). However, I think the bike-buying public make their purchases more with their hearts, or certainly how we feel about bikes plays a big part in what we buy. For me, while I respect the hell out of BMW for building this bike, I'm not sure I'd ever buy one because it's missing that element that makes me want to jump on and head for the twisties...even though I bet it'd be great! Liked the video by the way...Cheers!
I think all your followers expected to hear exactly what you said, but we have all been wanting this video for the pleasure of hearing it from you. Enjoyed it! I have ridden both and am in the dilemma myself. Thinking of going for the GSA bc of the tank, not worrying if I drop it, and not feeling restricted to tarmac. I do think the RT engine is tuned better tho.
Yeah I think you may be right Daniel - this time around on the RT I was surprised how tucked up my legs were compared to the GS - the GS would defo be comfier on long days in the saddle I reckon.
I moved from the RT to an XR last year. Mainly because I was commuting into central Bristol and I got so annoyed by how much harder it was to filter on the RT - although you wouldn’t believe the stick I got from the RT owners club I got for saying that!! The only reason I didn’t get a GS is because I wanted to try some different bikes before the eventual migration to what is probably the most practical all rounder bike available (I.e. the GS). I know the GS is probably the best, but everybody seems to have one and my Mrs won’t let me have more than one bike at a time!! I want to try a Thunderbird first.
I've currently got both an XR and an RT and the RT has been my go to bike. There is nothing the XR can do that the RT can't (in the real world), which has led me to the decision now of getting rid of my XR as for me the RT is the better bike.
Had a Gs , great bike but sold to build and reliability issues, maybe I was unlucky, now have a v strom 650 new £7500 with all the bits and luggage, I do the same things as I did on the gs, it’s lighter, cheaper and I think bulletproof and in the real world all the power you need and more in my opinion. Had choice b the GS and I nod to every biker Great video missenden again !!!
My mate has christened my RT 'Dark Helmet'. Check out the film Spaceballs and you will get it 😁. Great bike though - I've done over 30000 miles, two up touring, solo touring, commuting & everything else on the 1200LC version. I've had the GS as a long term loaner, but for me the RT is a better bike. Nice vid as always 👍🏻
A great comparison video and beyond the 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' thing, it's I suppose horses for courses. However not mentioned is a key difference that 'short-arse' people might wish to consider namely the far lower seat option on the RT compared with the GS/GS Adventure. For the GS you have: 800mm - Extra Low / Low Suspension 820mm - Low Seat 850mm - Standard Seat 870mm - High / Comfort 890 mm - Extra High / Rallye Seat For the GS Adventure you have: 820 / 840mm (790 / 810mm (Accessory Low Seat)) - Extra Low / Low Suspension 870 / 890mm - Low Seat 890 / 910mm - Standard Seat 880mm - Low Rallye Seat 900mm - High Rallye Seat But for the RT you have: 760/780mm - Low Seat 805/825mm - Standard Seat 830/850 - High Seat / Comfort Seat Wunderlich also do a simple wheel accessory that brings the seat down to 750mm. This could be a deal breaker for some!
As has also been mentioned, going for the low suspension on the GS/GSA will result in less suspension travel - thus negating some of the alluded to earlier magic carpet ride of a GSA. I don't think one needs to always be able to flat foot a bike with both feet on the ground; one foot flat on the ground plus the other on a peg is usually enough, but i wouldn't feel safe on such a tall bike with both feet only on tippy toes - it would have to the balls of both feet as a safety minimum for such a weighty machine.
Thanks for doing this review. This is the exact decision I've been agonizing over for the last month. I finally made the decision to go with the GSA upon a visit to the dealer this week. I'm 5'8" with a 30" inseam and with the standard seat I'd look like a circus balancing act when stopped. The dealer put on the low seat with standard suspension and I'm actually flat-footed in my boots. I should take delivery next month. Thanks again. Love your videos.
In the States it's more BMW that has A BIT of a rep... the GS is just the most visible Beemer. Having said that... it's the HD guys who don't wave at anyone else (anyone who doesn't have an HD). As for the RT looks... IMO the bike looks "unbalanced" without a rider on it, the huge fairing makes the bike look like somewhat like a tadpole. Put a rider on one however (especially a bigger guy) and the bike starts to look quite good.
🙋🏻♂️ HD rider who obnoxiously waves at EVERYONE. Scooter riders wearing proper PPE included... Much to the chagrin of the Beemer guys in their KLIM suits.
The wind protection of the RT might be a problem when you ride with warm weather. Here in Italy, riding an RT in July or August with 38 degrees can become a nightmare (particularly if you use leather jacket)!
Interestingly I've read some articles on this, given that I live in Australia where summer temps can climb into the 40ºC's and it would appear that once the temperature goes above 33.5ºC, the effect of a hot wind blast on your body is to heat you up by convective heating, rather than by evaporative cooling. The hottest I've ridden on a bike was 32ºC - and on a naked bike. Even then it was unbearable - time for a car and A/C methinks. Of course if one is on a tour, you have no choice, but in theory at least, a vented suit behind the screen of an RT should keep you more comfortable in extreme heat than a similar suit behind the less wind protected screen of a GS/GSA.
If you don't use a GS off road then the RT is a far better choice for touring, including it has a much lower seat hight. Personally I'd want the K 1600 GT.
Appreciate I'm a bit late on this one and in agreement with your point on how the bike is used. One point I'd throw in, I toured Spain on an RT. Late April around 30 deg C. I was melting regardless of opening all my suit vents and having the screen at the lowest setting. If I were riding in summer heat - GS simply for ventilation and heat comfort particularly at lower speeds. For cold, wet and mainly motorway - RT. I can choose when and where to ride which means avoiding bad weather. So for country roads and thermal comfort the GS wins and I'll turn my heated jacket on if it gets a little too cool!
Great you brought this up. It was a Dillema for me for some time...Same engine, same gearbox, same shaft drive, same frame ? 19" front wheel on GS and off road styling. 17" front wheel on RT and tourer styling. RT gets panniers as standard GS you have to pay for panniers...why ? Performance is pretty much identical but better aerodynamics on the RT give better efficiency at speed. Longer travel suspension on GS soaks up bumps better but feels a bit light at the front when pushing along. Conclusion: GS is the SUV version of the RT and Bmw have nailed the image. The RT is the ubiquitous international police / paramedic and Tour de France bike. So they are both the same bike but they are not. The argument will never cease. The naked version of both of these, the R1250R, is the original Dna... I just love my recently acquired 2017 RT. I would also love a Munch Mammoth ( remember that bike in Top Trumps, awsome ! ) but simply could not afford one... Please review the 1250R
As usual an excellent video, I had a BMW R100RS, K100RS and now a GS1200, all three were super to ride each covering different aspects of Motorcycling, the GS I feel is more a complete package as the allrounder, as they say the choice is yours but we would miss you on your GS trademark. Ride safe.
I recalled being called “sir” at a local burger joint when I happened upon the establishment on my newly acquired GS, that confirmed the old geezers bike reputation in the US.
GSA all day every day. No question. After wonderful GL1500 and GL1800 Gold Wings, I decided to change things up a bit. I have to say this amazing 20 GSA HO is one sweet motorcycle on numerous levels. Go anywhere and look good doing it. Ride safe and ride often. Peace.
Sir Chop, have you ridden the RT at all ? I totally understand where you're coming from, as I was like that only months ago. The RT has handling like its a 600cc. I cant handle the cocoon feeling on this type of bike, as I believe riding should be "wind in your hair". Maybe in another 20 years aye? Luv ya vids! Cheers groover ;-)
2014 rt absolutely love it great touring machine, when I feel like getting of the tarmac I take the tiger 800xrt much lighter and nimble for my riding style and lots of fun on road too.
I have owned two different RTs and am now looking for a GS. The only downside I found to the RT were the side cases were easy to scratch and expensive to repair. I take excellent care of my bikes, however scratches still happened in close parking or everyday riding.
Assuming you're not interested in venturing off the tarmac both bikes are as near as dammit identical in terms of their ability to tour. The differentiator is image. The GS is "dad jeans" and the RT is "dad jeans" but with an elasticated waist. Also if you want a conventional tourer the Kwak Z1000SX Tourer makes the RT look so overpriced!
I changed from a GSA to RT last year, I have always ridden adventure style bikes and I must admit i do miss my GSA. However, my wife prefers the RT as a pillion and has started coming away with me more on the bike. I also find the RT an easier bike to get on and off, it probably inspires a bit more confidence especially with a pillion as you can get your feet down flat on the floor. Another thing I find better on the RT apart from the obvious wind protection, is it's a quieter bike to ride. I always found the GSA to have a noisy front end. The biggest downside of the RT, I find at 6'2" the leg position is a little cramped. They are both brilliant bikes, but I think I will return to an Adventure style bike one day, I don't think it will be a GS or GSA due to the high cost.
@@TheMissendenFlyer In which case, GS all the way! Although not my cup of tea to ride, I do think that the GS looks genuinely good, whilst the RT has one of those faces only a mother could love!
Neither one. You should consider a FJR since you've never had a ride on one. The seat height is more suited to your size, only 805mm. Feet flat on the ground. Handles superbly with prodigious power output. Tracks like it is on rails. Has EVERY comfort and convenience amenity. Cost less to buy and service. Reliability is legend. Does not sound like the GS tractor engine. Keep the older GS. It's still good.
Or...or...just maybe..."the RS"!? Have I missed it or will you be doing a R 1250 RS review? I can't helping thinking that that would be a serious contender. (I did search for "rs" but it throws up 1001 "wrong" hits...)
Ride a RT because I don’t do dirt, no option, however I ride it standing up, seated and handles beautifully, the difference in these bikes is the plastic, weather protection and on the GS higher suspension but that’s it< same engine etc
I have been on the fence over these same 2 bikes. However recently have been leaning more and more towards the GSA. I will break the stigma of ownership as I wave at all makes and models and pretty much love to talk to people soooooo... Thanks for the great comparo on these 2 fabulous machines but that 1250 GSA Exclusive really has me thinking.
Just bought the 1200 version of this 2017 model having been a GS rider for 19 years. Neither bike is ugly but that is always in the eye of the beholder. I absolutely love this bike, I carry a pillion rugularly and the comfort on the RT is superb for her. there was always an issue particularly for the pillion getting on and off the bike. The equipment on the LE is fantastic to and as you say the RT definately has the edge on weather protection. I'm sure you couldn't hear the radio on a GS if you had one, who knew that would be a thing lol. All in all a brilliant bike.
As a previous owner of K1200s, K1600gt & R1200r classic and presently a RS I'd say the RS cuts the middle ground of them all and is my favourite. As an everyday bike it's fantastic. It may not be as fast as the K12 but it's still plenty fast (hoping the 1250 brings out the beast more). It may not be as long distance a mile muncher as the K16 but will happily do a day's touring with almost as much luggage space. If you fancy a bit of corner carving the RS is well up for it, giving great confidence, and feels like the sport tourer it truly is. If you only have the space for one bike in your life the RS ought to be on your short list if you need an all rounder which will tour, commute and do some sport stuff.
I dont have so much money so I orderd the Suzuki 1000 XT and I like those gold rims like on GS. I like the style of adventure bikes. Father in law was responsible when he bought a new old 1200 GS few months ago for me to come back on a bike after 5 years. Grettings from Slovenia.
How about the cost of servicing? From my experience with GoldWings and BMW K100RT and also two GS BMW’s, found that the extra cost of removing and refitting the fairings at service time made the service costs significantly over the more naked bikes. Much choice may come down to personal height and ease of getting a leg over the saddle and luggage.
Mark,that's not the case.I currently own a 2018 rt,which I have had from new.6000 miles service at my local BMW dealer cost me just £225.My 2014 GS for the same service at the same dealership cost £215. I can remove all the tupperware from my RT,in just over 35 minutes.I wouldn't Call £10 extra,significant.
Great review. I am getting ready to buy the GSA. Only because I also have a Harley Ultra for touring also and two up riding. If I didn't have the Harley I would go with RT. I love them both. Thanks again. Nashville Tennessee USA!
Trouble is that Honda /Yamaha etc dealers are very reluctant to give anything like a reasonable price for a BMW on a trade in so if you buy one you are pretty well tied to the brand. Just too much cost/loss involved for me as a really good bike can be had for half the money, or even two!
Just have both. And have an enclosed trailer and a mobil home come with it. And always have the wintertime off. Head to spanish sierra nevada from end of oktober until may. Drive as much as you like, money wouldnt be a problem, life is cheap.
The GS/Harley thing is the same as range rover or Apple. It's the go to model for people who have the money but not so much the passion of say someone on a 2k bike held together with luck and love. People that skim over the culture which all of us have involved ourselves in a culture that requires a fair sense of community. So it doesn't go well when someone actively sneers at you (sadly has happened to me) for simply extending a nod. Like all things it's the little minority that create a stereotype for all. Everyone on two wheels wouldn't turn down a GS they're the end goal for a lot of us. I'd have the GS over the RT I'd buy the RT if the misses wanted me to get a car 😁
It's defo a minority ... and id say it's the traditional die hard beemer riders of old.... the demographics of BMW as a brand has changed massively over the last decade. I've been riding since I was 6 years old, had track bikes, a plethora of litre sportsbikes...lived the dream in my 20's ... I'm almost 39 now but I've had a GS since 2012 ! Just got fed up of chasing revs and going flat out everywhere .. always toured Europe so the GS was the natural progression ... after I'd flirted with a Tiger 1050 ... Now, there's no bike id rather be on 👍🏼
Hi TMF. Just done a bit of research on the BMW website. A fully spec'd RT is 19515, a fully spec'd K1600 (with reverse gear and adaptive headlight as extra) is 20555. The GSA fully spec'd (without panniers) is 18270. For me the only reason to go for the GSA would be the larger tank but I don't go far enough to warrant it Personally when it comes to my once in a life time bike as a treat for getting my dream job on the railways (guard for now but will be much easier to become a train driver in a few years) I think I'll be getting the K1600GT fully spec'd. What a blood bike. May see if I can sweet talk my local dealer to getting an authority model of the K1600 (minus blue lights etc) as I know the dutch police use them and a few others as well, make it even more ideal for blood biking, which is a lot of bang on the speed limit riding (would have to see if I can get the speedo calibrated by IRS Nottingham) and getting to the speed limit very quickly (I can out pace an ambulance on blue lights in shropshire by accelerating hard over 12 miles from Shrewsbury to Telford whilst staying within the speed limit)
The stigma thing ... too many folk think that a GS is a pure "off road" bike ... when in fact, it's every bit the road bike as the RT is .. I prefer the riding position and high up view of the road ahead that the GS gives you ...
I have never previously owned a motorcycle which gives me so much pleasure whether on a long trip or commuting in traffic. Its not the badge, not the GS logo, its the total ownership thing which is just so superior to any other bike I have owned. Easy to compare price, specs, warranty, looks etc, but the Feel-good factor of riding my GS places it in a league apart. Those that own a GS know. Those that don't, don't. interesting though, that RT owners are not so passionate and are potentially also Goldwing or HD owners. Why is this I wonder? Consider this you non-GS critisers, how come the GS is the world's best selling motorcycle? RT sales don't get anywhere near. If only I had been a motoraad salesman.
interesting point. i've had an RT for 9 years years. love it on long trips. but something was missing. the feel good factor. i'm in the market for new. cant' decide between a GS or new RT, this helps
Having owned both tourer and GSA, i was prone to damaging the big plastic bike when passing it by in the garage. Replaced pannier cover, top box cover, aerial plus scratched fairing lowers, all while it was standing still. Owned GS 1100 since 1996, a couple of GSA's, none sustained damage while static in same way. If your of a simular nature, the GS range is the one to go for.
Gs a bike spoilt by a minority of people who look down their noses at other riders why I do not know....the no waving no chatting to other riders is purely a individual thing ...gs's' by and large are everywhere so again that may put people off...cheers from dave...
I’d have to agree with you there mate. I have a S1000XR here in Australia and recently met up with some GS riders the other day. Yep, ignored by all of them 😂
Great read and great comments. Needed something that chewed up the miles the best and chose the K1600GT. It's an uber comfortable cruise Missile in BMW livery and a head turner at every light and not being an offroad guy, it made the choice very easy indeed! 😎👍
I couldn’t agree more TMF, I’ve owned three RT’s and I’m on my fourth GSA over a period of approximately 13 years, always alternating between the two RT, GSA then back to RT. If I’d have just kept the first RT I would probably have one of each now and both paid for at that! So, the last RT was a 2017, loved it, took it on a four day ride to the Texas HIll Country and could not fault it in any way, it was fantastic. Then, during its twelve month service, I saw a 2018 GSA Rallye and just couldn’t stop looking at it. Long story short, it was heavily discounted because the 1250’s had just come out and so I basically ended up with a new bike with the same payments and terms as the 1 year old bike. I’ve thought long and hard about the two bikes and the best way I can put it, is that the only problem with the RT is that it’s not a GS! Make sense?
I have an RT and I get asked the same question in reverse. I chose the RT over the GS because the RT has better wind protection. Ultimately you can’t ignore the reason there is an RT and a GS. The RT was built for more touring comfort even though the GS is also a perfectly capable tourer. Each to their own. I would not trade my RT on a GS.
I have had my RT since 2015 and the only time I have not appreciated all the bells and whistles was when I found myself on a loose gravel road - 11 kms in and 11kms out to the tar road. The big beast (in rain mode) behaved well and I took it slow and survived to tell the tale. The screen - as long as it is kept clean just disappears after a while - I don't notice it anymore. A wiper at slow speeds in the rain would help. As for being ugly - the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I find those road bikes with a weird shaped headlight stuck out the front to be ugly (the new KTM is one). I have it on good authority that the sight of an RT filling the rearview mirror is an awesome sight. I don't think I could go back to sports or cruiser bikes. You are right - there is bike envy involved when people see you on any BMW - some say it's an old mans bike - but if being comfortable - mile after mile, on a reliable machine makes me an old man - so be it. As the Penguin says "Smile and wave boys" and I will just keep smiling all the way.
I've just got off back to back testing of these two bikes, & bought the GSA 1250. My wife & I tested them 7 times, the GS 1250 exclusive, the GSA 1250 Rallye, the RT 1250 & a brand new GSA 1200. It wasn't hard at all to separate these bikes at all. My wife only has pillion experience & was gob smacked at how different all bikes felt. When it comes to comparing the GS to anything, you really have to separate the GSA from the GS. It is amazingly better the GSA over the GS. When we got off the GSA 1250, we jumped onto the RT & after 10mins our legs were sore. The RT has your knees bent more, & the GSA was so much more comfortable having your legs more "Stretched" out. The handling on the RT was better around a corner. It was almost effortless, where as the GSA it felt like every corner you were almost hanging off. Thats because its taller, & the RT's centre of gravity is lower so turning in & hanging is quicker & easier. I dont find the "Cocoon" feeling of no wind on the RT a good thing at all. The essence of motorbiking is "the wind in your hair" so to speak. I live in Sydney AUS, & its been a hot summer so far, I've almost cooked myself at lights on the 3 week old GSA. When i start moving its only slightly better. My Ducati monster is a delight for summer, all wind ! Do you get what I mean gents? The RT is a great bike, & like i've said before, if it wasn't for the GSA, I probably would've bought an RT. I need multiple bikes, & the GSA nails it for a majority of rides. I've noticed RT owners are usually vertically challenged people. I've never seen a tall RT rider. I now know why after the cramped ride compared to the GSA. I hated the GSA with a passion a few months ago. I wanted the GS, but after riding the GS 4 times on test rides, I never got a wow factor from a GS. Its just a plodder. It does the job. I didnt want to stop riding it, but never had that wow factor. Then, I jumped on what I thought was one of the most ugliest bikes in the world, the scaffolding king of them all, the GSA! Gentlemen, I cannot tell you at how good this bike is. Its a WOW bike!!!!! If you ever have the chance to ride a GSA, I'll give you one massive tip. Put the bike in Dynamic mode for the power, & the suspension in road mode. It is the "Rolls-Royce" of motorbike suspension. The RT's suspension felt exactly the same as the big GSA, but with a more cramped seating position. The big GSA is 20kg heavier than a GS, but just pour 20 litres instead of 30, & you wont feel the extra 10 anyway. The tank is the only thing bigger compared to the GS, but the handlebars are still the same. It is intimidating when you look at a GSA if you haven't ridden one. I thought I could never ride one, how wrong I was. I really like the automatic screen on the RT, & I'm a little lost why the top-of-the-line GSA doesnt get it!!! Now if you plod along on your test ride, these two bikes are going to be very difficult to separate, bar the seating position with your legs. Yo need to ride them a little quicker, a bit like you've just stolen it! Ride them like your on your S1000RR, R1, Panigale, & pretend your on a sports bike. Then, & only then, will you distinguish the difference between bikes. I was once a "track Junkie" & bought a van to go to race tracks regularly. I was a one eyed, blinker wearing sports bike nut. Until I rode the GSA.............amen gents. Cheers groovers ;-)
I can't agree more!😉going for a test ride means testing it thoroughly...explore everything the bike has to offer and try riding it on a regular favorite ride so one can compare against own bikes ridden on same route. your comment deserves a highlight...🤔😎🏍
You've hit the nail on the head there. I've had 2 RTs followed by a GS and 2 GSAs and one of the major differences between the RT and the GS/GSA is that the RT has a more cramped riding position and if youre long in the leg with dodgy knees like me, the RT is painful to ride after a few hours in the saddle. If it wasnt for that, I would still be riding an RT because the wind protection is superior and you get the luxuries like the electric screen and heated seat. I'm guessing the reason why BMW dont offer those as options on the GS/GSA is, as TMF says, they would lose RT sales and possibly make the model unviable to manufacture. There is one other difference in my book. At high autobahn speeds I just dont feel that the GS/GSA is as planted as the RT. The GS/GSA just feels a little light at the front at these speeds and if I was doing a lot of autobahn/high speed miles, I'd definitely have the RT rather than the GS/GSA even with the more cramped riding position
@Moto Groover, Great Data, I have had all the bikes I really wanted. 996,998, BMW RT, Wing, all the GSXR's, Aprilia RSV 1000 R, then I bought a Super Tenere left over new for $12K . I liked them all but still needed a ZX10R 2015 to satisfy my need for a light high performance bike. Then only difference now is I trailer it long distance for some rides. The Super Ten I do long distance on and some off road. The GSA still eludes me due to cost.
@@Belindaxtz660 Yeah the missus got a bit tired in the end after 3 different bikes on the same bit of road. So I dropped her off back at the dealership for a coffee break whilst I tore the rear tyres off the bikes! I had the GSA 1250 up at 148kmh through twisties & had that feeling I was on a very tall sports bike. When I slowed down to about 98kmh, It then dawned upon me that I was on brand new rubber & had to scrub them in! Strewth!!! All 3 bikes had no more than 40 km total on them!! I loved all of them, but that suspension took the cake on the GSA. What a difference it made once I turned the wick up on them. The truth came out in spades. Cheers groover ;-)
@@mickfinn2596 Yeah I haven't experienced the very high speeds yet. Just picked her up from the first service, so the lights are finally green!!! Nudge, nudge, wink, wink! But I'd have to agree with you, as when I'm on the motorway doing between 110kmh to 140kmh, you can tell clearly the wind factor begins to dictate the posture of the whole bike. I actually questioned that point in my mind whilst riding, wondering what it would be like at 200+. I was truly gobsmacked at how well the RT handled. That huge front contraption you have when riding doesn't make you feel like its going to handle at all. In fact straight line riding is more the feeling you get at first. But once you dip her into the turn, I could've swore I was on a 600cc bike! & that was with the missus on the back!!! Strewth!!! And I'm comparing this type of handling with my ex '14 RSV4, ex '16 S1000RR, & all my lovely 90's GSXR's I tracked regularly. That is a big statement to make for a bike. Hats off to the RT. Cheers groover ;-)
Another factor you might want to consider when you’re pondering this question. How old are you? If you’re higher mileage in age, the RT has comfort and convenience features that will have a strong calling and appeal to you. Your body will keep thanking you for the heated seats and grips, the push button windshield, the central locking system, side storage cases and that “ugly” (form follows function) fairing every time you mount the bike and go for a ride.
I wrestled with this same question awhile ago (GSA or RT?) and the RT was my choice. So you probably guessed that I am a youth challenged person riding an Old Mans Bike. Right. And proud of it. The bike that is.
If you’re younger or middle aged now and prefer the GSA, you might have a change of heart when you start knocking on the doors of the Golden Years of your life. If you’re younger or middle aged and prefer the RT, you’ve planned well for the future. So put me down for the RT - from a happy Old Guy on an Old Mans Bike. 🙃
I'm also fast approaching my bus pass, and am more than happy with the RT. I have two other friends of similar age, both of whom chose the RT. In all cases our better halves preferred being a passenger on the RT. So it looks like it really does suit us old fellas better. Also, my good lady isn't keen on me growing a beard, so I can't really embrace the Charlie Boorman image. ;-)
Sooty Beemer “Bus Pass” - LOL 😆. Luv it. 👍 I tried growing a mustache and/or beard several times but my better half gave me a tongue lashing every time so here I sit with no facial hair whatsoever. But having the RT puts me back in good standing all the time as she loves the pillion on it. OLD FARTS FOREVER!!!
33 years old and bought a 2019 R1250RT. Sold the Harley. When it comes to safety and comfort it was a no brainer. Not trying to fit in with any kind of motorcycle riders. Just love riding. 🤙🏻
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Same here mate.My wife said she doesn’t like beards.I said, then don’t grow one!😂
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Age is just a number. Take a look at many of these top BMW Adventure schools and these guys are up there. Many of the men are well into their 50’s and 60’s. Rawhyde for one here in Texas in the States.
Learnt many years ago, for high mileage all weather use, a bike's only as good as its fairing.
Last 10 years I've gone thru 3 RTs (2 of the 1200 and one 1250) and 4 GSAs(3 1200 and one 1250)... After all that I am back on 2021 R1250RT currently. Even though I love GSA in many ways somehow RT has its own seductive appeal on me that lands one of them in my garage again. GSA is like a Jeep while RT feels like a two door sports car to me. Seriously though even I love GSA's versatility it makes me feel like I am not a 100% rider. Everytime I come to a stop on my GSA it feels like I get a little wobblier just before the full stop.. Yet, I can come to full stop on my RT and I could still balance the bike at full stop for a second or two before I put my feet down. RT is so well balanced that it makes you feel like you're an expert level rider. Your U turns becomes tighter and less wobblier or coming to full stop, slow parking speed maneuvers all become more stabilized compare to the ones you perform on a GSA. If I could afford more than one bike I'd still have a GSA in my garage in addition to my RT. But if only one bike I am kind of 50/50 or maybe 51/49 RT/GSA ratio... My '21 RT now has AM/FM?Sirius-XM installed too. Even though Motorrad Connected needs a lot of upgrades and improvements, 10.25" TFT looks good.
Personally, i`d buy a used one for around 10K and enjoy the rest of the cash on touring!
2012 RT rider here. The front fairing on mine doesn't seem to look as bulbous as the new one but it wouldn't put me off riding the new one. All that being said, I'll keep my 2012. It suits me perfectly. Enjoyed your reviews.
Very thought provoking TMF , I,m actually picking up my new RT tomorrow after 4 yrs of GS ownership. Comfort and weather protection are the deciding factors, although I have grown to like the look of the RT over recent months. As you say, both great bikes.
I am an RT man through and through.The GS and GSA are excellent bikes built for a multi purpose roll.The RT is a pure road bike that out handles any GS or GSA on the road.The reason the RT handles so well is of course a 17" front wheel as opposed to a 19" on the GS.
If you own a GS or GSA with wire wheels,the difference in handling is even more pronounce.The wire wheels are built for off road use,they are strong and flexible.The flexibility of the wire wheels is the main reason the GS's loose out on the road,to the RT with cast wheels, which have no flexibility so they provide a more precise,pin sharp handling.
The RT is smoother to ride because it has a heavier flywheel.
Choosing between the GS or the RT,is like asking fellow bikers which is the best oil or which is the best tyre.You pays your money,you takes your choice,they are both brilliant.
I think the RT is much nicer looking than the exoskeleton look of the GS. In my opinion it's very beautiful and handsome.
love it too
The gs looks more dystopian than the RT, and I use the dystopian or utopian design to judge which design I like more. I like the utopian RT.
@@galavanter every person has their own preference. Ultimately, choice is a great thing.
If you’re tall, I’m 6’2”, no contest! GSA every day. I have a 2018 GSA1200, my 3rd GS. It’s been to 20 countries and done 32000 miles. Last week I ordered my 4th, a Triple Black GSA 1250 - with a heated seat 😊
They both look great but I like being up high and upright position along with the long travel suspension that adventure bikes have, just soaks up anything and everything on the road.
Good video. If I was touring on my own, I would chose the GS. For two up, the RT is hard to beat.
The GSA isn't really less weight than the RT. I just measured the weight of my saddlebags (2014 R1200RT) and they weigh 13.5 lbs apiece. Subtract that from the stated weight of the 1250 GSA and you end up within 8 lbs of the 1250 RT; that is the weight of the extra gallon of fuel the GSA carries. If you ride your RT without bags (like a bone stock GSA) there is no real difference.
Good question and well answered Mr Flyer. Being able to remove boxes and the ability to attach things to the general scaffolding is by far more practical for the non touring days
Easy to see what Police forces and Ambulance services prefer. RT is an ideal bike for them, does everything. See the way they throw them around, even at low speeds. If I could afford one, I'd have one.
I have watched most of you videos and I would say that based on how and where you ride the RT would seem to be the logical choice for you. The GS just seems to be the easy choice for too many riders. Many of them seem to be more in love with the bike lifestyle they infer, just like an HD does, than the riding itself. I used to teach photography and I see many similarities. It was often look at the camera I have rather than look at the photos I have taken.
Sorry Andrew but I have to disagree with you, you go anywhere in Europe during riding season and what do you see most of?
BMW GS/GSA They are probably the most expensive option too, so why would people pay all that money, that's not exactly the easy thing to do is it?
They are popular for a reason, I have owned 6 fireblades in the past 20 years and never ever thought I would ride a BMW adventure bike, been on one now for 5 years and I can honestly say it is the best 5 years of my biking life, it's taken me all over Europe, with more luggage than I ever needed, in absolute comfort, 300 plus miles on a tank of fuel, cruise control, etc. etc.
Have you ever spent any time or done any distance on a GS? Try it then maybe like me you might just get it!
I'm quite careful with my money but have just ordered a new GSA 1250, tried all the cheaper options 1st, but in my opinion nothing compares
@@firebladedan1 Yep you're right. Most are bought cos their mate has one. And their mate. And theirs. Baaaaaaaa! A lot is the Long Way Round effect and the fact that half the motorcycle media are owned by a German company so they daren't criticise it. Sure, they're great bikes, but most owners ignore their faults cos as you say, when you've paid that much money for a bike, it's had to admit to yourself it has any faults! SO they pretend it hasn't.
@DannyB: horses for courses of course and having owned and extensively toured on both a GSA LC and my current RT LC over the past 5 years (and with 3 vfrs - my previous favourite bike type- on SORN that will likely never be used again, I would partially disagree and say the RT is the better bike for serious touring. Its marginally stiffer and tracks better on good spanish, french and Swiss N roads and is more protective. The GSA is smoother and more comfortable on bad roads, is more comfortable if you are 6’5 or taller and gives a pseudo-confidence that on it you can go anywhere (of course 99% of all owners abilities incl mine are nowhere near to take that heavy monster anywhere but the smoothest gravel at 10mph- which the RT can do equally on those terms). And it has 50miles more range than the rt which again is irrelevant as very few people tour alone and fuel stops are defined by the least range in the group, so you stop anyway. And noone goes touring In Transiberian terms.
I have tried all the new R1250s but the RT. However, few years back I got to ride a R1200RT AC for a day whilst my R1200R AC was in service. I was surprised how quickly the RT turns, I filtered quicker on the RT than my R. I think it was due to the rake angle. The new RT also has steeper rake than R. What's more was that I felt like Cpt Picard commanding the USS Enterprise! RT over GS any day!
This vid is a great testimony of the great efforts the guys at GoPro have made in order to make their cameras aerodynamic.
It's truly a remarkable job.
Another great review TMF and one that will split your subscribers for sure in a healthy way though. Having tested both myself I went for the RT, here's why for what it's worth. The GSA is compromised on the road with the offroad large front wheel which I felt lacks the feel of conventional road size wheels especially if you're in a hurry. The RT has a wider choice of tyres. The GS is much more difficult to keep clean especially the spoke wheel versions. I often ride two up so the larger seat and adjustable screen helps. The RT comes with colour matched panniers so no need to fork out more on them. I happen to like the sound system available for the RT. Finally I didn't need to change my wardrobe, helmet or boots for the RT either ;)
Paul Harris totallyagree Paul. For me when I have ridden both bikes, the 17" inch front wheel on the RT makes a world of difference in improved handling versus the 19" wheel size on the GS/A's which feels a bit sluggish. For taller riders, I can see how the ergonomics could be better on the GS.
I am on my 2nd RT now and i think the handling is the best of any bike ive ever ridden. My lass who really does not like going on the bike but does just to be with me some times says it feels safe and secure and that makes her feel comfortable while being nervous at the same time. It suits my riding style and makes me smile being on it, Music on riding along totally relaxed. Your right though it was 21k with the inner bags and comfort screen so bloody pricey for a bike and its only now im mortgage free i can have a new one. Off round Europe for two weeks in June so real touring comfort will be tested then. My 1st RT was the 2010 Twin cam and that was a really good bike but the LC version is a step up so i bet the new 1250 will be better again.
Great review again Mr TMF! I love both bikes. In the event that a BMW ended up living in my garage I would go with the GSA. I agree that 95% of my riding would be on tarmac. I like the ergonomics of the GSA better especially the seat to peg dimension. My second factor is that with the GSA when you are on tour and hit road construction or a truly crap road surface you have the ability to stand up and ride (also nice for just stretching old legs and back). Final consideration is looks. I LOVE the GSA’s looks. Especially in the Exclusiv spec with the Kalamata Metallic paint scheme. Thanks for the thought provoking video!
Peace!
I worked in Ducati Glasgow for nearly two years selling bikes and have pushed almost every bike you can think of and the GS was the most surprisingly light and easy to manouvre given its size!
I tend to not wave or nod to GS riders any more because I never get said nod or wave returned. It's them not us with the problem.
You are an exception though TMF. You're alright you are lol
Once again, nice video. And some good points. From my side, I owned the Honda ST1300 and loved it. I went everywhere on it, mostly camping. Then a couple of years ago I changed and got the BMW R1200 GSA. Again I love it and will keep it. But I still love the ST 1300 but my reason for changing was that with the GSA I can now throw on my tent and a load of other thing and tie them down. I could not do that really on the ST without wandering if I was going to scratch the plastic or not. The added bonus of having the crash bars on the GSA takes away that worrying feeling of what if I ever dropped the ST and have to fork out a ton of money for new plastic. I have been off road and I will again. But I mostly ride on road and over here in Sweden, bikers don't care what bike you have. I am touring Europe in September and again that added feeling that if I drop the GSA on the tour doesn't worry me. If I did it on the ST I´m sure it would. Plus I like that you can upgrade the GSA and make it your own with the help of companies like Touratech.
The RT might be ugly, but the GS is close behind. Of course the ultimate reason I had to have the RT is the length of my legs. With the low seat and thick soled boots, the RT is still a hair too higher than I like, so the GS is out of the question. With that said, I am a touring rider and like my comforts and weather protection, the RT does that best. For long cold rides it is important to keep your legs out of the wind, and I was surprised how well the RT does that, as it doesn't look like it will do that as well as it does. The fairing and windshield do a great job too, it is more like driving a convertible than a motorcycle. I like it !
If I wanted to ride the dirt, I would get a real dirt bike, I have no desire to pull a 600 lbs. bike out of the mud and no need to just look like I would. Actually, I have taken my RT on dirt roads and find I can stand on the pegs quite comfortably. Would I buy a GS if my legs were longer? Nope, the RT is what I want in a bike, and when I was crossing South Dakota , I enjoyed listening to Jazz on the satellite radio too.
I own a GSA but hired an RT for a 2 week 2 up trip though the European Alps last year. I agree with your conclusion however another interesting difference was the gearing ratio. I found the RT 1st and 2nd gear range (incl. quick shift down to first gear) really useful through the twisties.
Firstly I must declare that I own a GS Rallye and I love it and I prefer the looks and the colour scheme. With regard to that waving thing - I used to be a waver (or nodder) but now with the amount of traffic here in the South East I am usually to busy trying to stay safe to let a moments distraction creep into my riding. So to all the other riders I might pass down here in the SE I apologise. I'm not being off but I am just too busy hanging on and avoiding all the other road users.......🙌👍
Thank you for the time taken and effort in making this video …. With the accompanying comments, it’s very informative!
Think the RT wins it for me.
I have done a fair few miles on both the standard GS and the RT models from 2008 through to the twin cam (pre-water cooled models). Both bikes handle much better than you would believe looking at them and both are very well put together, however the GS is the clear winner for me.
The GS is lighter and feels much more nimble and is the better handling bike of the two. I know exactly what you mean about the pressure on your back when the screen on the RT is raised which I don’t like, and the GS doesn’t have that problem. I’ve owned two GS’s and they truly are jacks of all trades, I have done everything from touring to track days with ease. For me personally I question the RT’s possible advantages:
1. bigger fairing - I don’t find the GS fairing an issue, and there’s less likely to be expensive broken plastic if it gets dropped or goes down the road.
2. electric screen - I don’t need an electric screen and find the GS one stays in the bolt upright position, and works fine without adjustment.
3 two equal large panniers - The standard GS has the advantage of vario panniers that keep the bike slimmer until you need the extra space.
4. a stereo - Nowadays you can listen to an IPod or listen to music stored on the satnav with a Bluetooth or wired headset.
5. Heated seat - I’ve never found it was something that bothered me, but I could get an aftermarket option if it did.
6. The larger 25L tank on the RT over the standard GS 20L tank is nice, but as I get older I like to have a brief stop every few hours anyway.
At the end of the day you pay your money and you make your choice, both are great bikes.
Curious why no one ever mentions the different rear drive gear ratios between the RT and GS. When I had my 2010 RT, commuting speeds of around 80 mph, it spun around 800 - 1000 rpm lower and felt much smoother than the GS. I would typically get around 50 mpg or better and my friend on a GS would only get low 40's mpg at 80 mph. I guess with the new water cooled and now shift cam engines maybe much smoother at higher rpm's. Just looked at the parts fiche and still is different PN's for the rear drive between the 2 with different ratios listed...not sure is the same 800 to 1000 rpm or so difference at same speed / top gear...
Coz no one cares!
Great review. A long time motorcycle rider dating back to 1982 when I first was licensed to ride on the streets in the USA. Currently working as a Police Officer in Southern California (San Diego County) since retiring from the military (USMC) in 2004. Presently assigned as a Police Motorcycle Officer since 2010 and have ridden several iterations of the BMW RTP with my current work bike being a 2018 BMW R1200RTP. In 2016 I transitioned from a 2013 Harley Davidson Road Glide CVO to a 2016 BMW R1200RT after being issued a 2015 R1200RTP at work. I really liked the water cooled RTP over my air cooled 2012 RTP work bike. So much that I transitioned from my HD CVO Road Glide to the 16 RT. In 2018 the itch was there to try a GS or GSA and after numerous test rides I went with the low suspension GSA Rallye and I sold my 2016 RT. So after 3 years of GSA ownerships I am considering going back to the new 2021 R1250RT. I spend more seat time on the RTP because it is my job so you can say I am biased towards the RT / RTP over the GSA. Both are great bikes and I believe you can not go wrong with either one. One of the main reasons I bought the GSA was to do some off-road riding, nothing overly aggressive, no single track but gravel roads to do some exploring. I already owned a 2015 KTM 690 Enduro R when I purchased the 18 GSA. Having already ridden the KTM off-road it was like riding a mountain bike with a engine strapped to it. Light weight compared to the GSA and easier for me to handle over the GSA when I wanted to have some fun sliding the rear wheel around the dirt road corners. The GSA quickly became a street bike only for me. I like the larger screen of the RT for weather protection over the GSA. The RT comes with side panniers. I purchased the side BMW panniers and top case for my GSA at over 2K.
Thanks for stopping by Gene...
The RT is a beautiful bike, it has a Suzuki VStrom look, and it is a handsome bike! I'll have to look at a RT but it might be out of my price range. But wow both bikes are very beautiful, and they're BMW's. Nice review friend! Good job.
I have an R1200GSA LC, my wife an R1200R LC and I have good friends with R1200RTs and R1200RSs (all LC) so I have been lucky enough to compare the different versions quite often. I would assume that the characteristics between the various models transfers to the 1250 as well.....
My comments comparing the Adventure to the RT are:
1. First up, I never cease to be impressed by how BMW have used the same driveline to create versions that are so completely different to each other, each with their various pros and cons as well as character.
2. On that note, the "feel" of the two is completely different. The RT is quiet, smooth and refined. My Adventure, however, pops and farts and most definitely has a louder (standard) exhaust. The R1200R and RS are somewhere in between.
3. I'm a touch over six foot and have lanky legs, so straight off, the Adventure is way more comfortable for me (I can flat foot it with the seat on the highest setting). The RT feels very cramped by comparison and becomes uncomfortable (for me) very quickly. I dare say that shorter riders would have a different opinion between the two on this matter!
4. There is no doubt that winter protection on the RT is superior but the Adventure performs better than most fully faired bikes (once aftermarket hand guard extensions are fitted) so isn't far behind at all. However, when summer comes around, the RT loses out, as it is just so hard to get decent airflow. Then again, it does have better bodywork under the rider's backside on the RHS to deflect engine heat away. On the Adventure (and my wife's R), scorchingly hot air is pumped out in this spot, all but frying the underside of one's right thigh. On days over 40 degrees this becomes just crazy. In rain, this airflow means water is instead pushed out this area, soaking one's right leg very quickly indeed (we have made our own plastic deflectors/sidecovers which help solve this).
5. The great advantage of a good adventure bike like the GS is that it still performs flawlessly on below par roads. English roads are beautifully surfaced, smooth and generally well maintained. Other countries are not so lucky. To be pushing a GS swiftly on a nice winding road only to have a well hidden bump or pothole suddenly appear on line barely affects it. The RT, whilst still very good isn't as good in this regard.
6. If you ever ride on dirt roads, well it's a no brainer (although I agree with the MF that a high proportion of GS riders don't even know what unsealed road looks like.....)
That's my take. I don't say the Adventure is a better bike than the RT, it just suits me and my riding better. Both are wonderful bikes and mile-munchers supreme, yet so very different to each other.
Wow - great feedback, thanks!
Great vid TMF. Now enjoying the 1250rt after 3 GSA’s I thought I needed a change 😀
Both are great bikes 👍
There are some major differences between these two bikes which can be significant for some. If you are tall, I'm 6' 4", you will find the rider triangle cramped on the RT compared to the GS, where due to the extra ground clearance the pegs are lower, relative to the seat and where there is also plenty of room to use lowered pegs without any danger of scraping them or hitting your feet on the ground. The second big thing for me is the suspension, I have an R1200gs Rallye with the sports suspension, 20mm taller and stiffer sprung, I believe that's the adventure suspension essentially. With the ever deteriorating road surfaces I seem to encounter, 10" of suspension travel with the self adjusting preload and damping of the ESA makes such a difference to the ride comfort, much easier on the spine and rear end with no hard jolts.
I have a road orientated older BMW and the bike is fantastic and my newer GS in many ways is only marginally improved, but for my size and use the GS riding position and suspension are huge winners. Where I live the weather is also hot and dry in the summer and so less, is more, in terms of weather protection, so the GS screen and less bodywork is in part why I didn't get a GSA and would also go against an RT for me, I need all the airflow I can get, but like enough of a screen to just keep the air pressure off my head and torso for relaxed high speed cruising.
I'd happily own either of these bikes, but bearing in mind the costs involved I might also be considering the R1250RS, which sits nicely between the out and out tourer (RT) and the more off road biased GS.
After 40 years of riding and more than twenty different bikes, my experience is that logical choices play a relatively small part of choosing a bike. We ride bikes because we love doing it and the bikes we choose are the ones that stir the soul rather than tick all the boxes. I use my bike to ride to work and for a few long journeys and traded in my eminently suitable Africa Twin for a CB1100RS, hardly a rational choice! For that matter, everytime I visit my nearby Indian dealership and look at the Indian Chief Dark Horse in the show room, I want to own one more than any other bike, despite knowing it would be entirely unsuitable for my needs. But that's what motorbiking is all about passion not logic!
I completely agree - it's a heart game this not always head!
As usual, thank you for posting. Great video. If you don't mind, I would like to add two points to your video. First, is the climate where the rider lives. From the UK, having the RT would be a benefit (as you mentioned) due to the cooler climate, but also one must consider riding in hot weather. I have ridden my GS in temperatures as low as 15F (-9C) and at above 100F (38C) in relative comfort. The RT might protect too well at the higher temperatures (I could be wrong). Second is the possibility of passengers. I think it would be fair to say (at least where I live), that you are most likely see passengers in an RT than in a GS. I enjoyed this video very much. Thanks for listening.
Yes both great points! Thanks for watching and for stopping by - TMF
Hey Kid! Great new vid. Am a K1600GT owner, but still think the R1250RT is absolutely beautiful!! I know, i know, matter of opinion... :-)
Keep them great vids coming!! Love it! Would also like to see an indepth side by side comparison by you on GT vs RT!
Thanks for sharing this. I think I would have to go with the RT. I am strictly a road rider and I would prefer the better weather protection and the heated seat.
Both Beemers are great kit if used for what they are made and marketed for.
The GS gives you an off road option so it has to get the vote over the RT.
Then you are in Multistrada and KTM territory. 1st world probelms hey gents.
Can I just say on the off road question.
Granted you will get people who will sneer at you for not taking the GS off road. Whatever the reason you enjoy the bike that's all that matters. And that's your business.
If you owned a Ferrari Testarossa and drove it across the Sahara instead of up n down the Cote D'Azur thats okay too. The bulk of sportsbike owners are not gonna enter the TT or NW500 but its ok for them to enjoy just popping the shops on. Why should adventure bike owners get flak for doing the same.
Lets all nod to each other based on the brotherhood of motorcycling not brand.
A few years ago I was in the market for a new bike the GS Adventure was what I wanted but on borrowing a friend's one , I found that I could barely reach the ground on it, even though it was fitted with the low saddle, but if I had to stop on an incline or uneven part of the road I was in trouble, so I bought the RT the older air-cooled version a bike I now love and still have, I'm not a fan of the nose on the new RT's still great bikes though, as for the stigma yes you get it with the RT too a lot of riders don't salute back, strangely enough a lot of traffic cops do though , great videos mate really enjoy them
Thanks Martin...
Given the choice I think I'd go for the R1250RS, as I prefer the sporty looks. I'm not particularly bothered about having acres of wind protection but just enough to make a journey less tiring, afterall it's a motorbike and feeling the breeze is what it's all about.
Great alternative! Especially if you can replace the clipons for a slightly more upright position.
Would love to see a review of the new R1250RS and the comparison between RS, RT and GS. I am a GS owner but have always like the look of the RS, but having never ridden one I have no idea if I would like it as much as my GS. There never seems to be any demo bikes to try where I live. TMF over to you - 1250 RS review please!
Sadly the 1250RS is delayed until September launch I believe (1200RS owner here and very happy with it)
Bunter1815 pity, as I was really looking forward the the new bike. That said I loved the looks of the 1200 RS. Marmit I know with the squint eye thing, but by far the best looking bike out of the RT, GS and RS
Clipons?? You must be joking. They are quite high enough.@@vriendelijkegroet
Spot on and I 100% agree. The GSA also has LED headlights and the legroom is much improved over the RT for taller riders. I now own both a GSA and a GS Rallye and love each one individually, but make no mistake, as much as they are similar they are also vastly different. The GSA’s bit of extra weight and weather protection makes it more comfortable on long journeys, especially when faced with crosswinds and/or rain. The GS is more enjoyable in the twisties, but for lane splitting the slightly narrower handlebars offers almost no benefit other than what you may perceive. I am incredibly glad I don’t have to choose between them.
Sod image ride what you like.
Agreed!
After riding my GSA for 5 years with the last 2 years never going off road. I looked at the RT and K1600GT, as a replacement. Loved my GSA and a lovely riding bike. She did everything I ever needed her to do. After riding the RT and the GT, I went with the GT. Great weather protection, which was lacking on the GSA. Riding long distances and commuting to work daily, just loved the GT. She is a heavy girl, with wide hips. But, one of the most comfortable bikes I tested.
With this all said. There are times I do miss the GSA with that massive fuel tank :) And the newer GSA is coming with more gadgets like the RT and GT/GTL. So, it just comes down to the rider and preferences. Important thing is you are riding and enjoy the riding.
There's no doubt that BMW have built a superb tourer, and if I could borrow one for 2 weeks every year to do a 2000+ mile euro-tour, that'd be great (can I, please BMW UK??). However, I think the bike-buying public make their purchases more with their hearts, or certainly how we feel about bikes plays a big part in what we buy. For me, while I respect the hell out of BMW for building this bike, I'm not sure I'd ever buy one because it's missing that element that makes me want to jump on and head for the twisties...even though I bet it'd be great!
Liked the video by the way...Cheers!
I think all your followers expected to hear exactly what you said, but we have all been wanting this video for the pleasure of hearing it from you. Enjoyed it! I have ridden both and am in the dilemma myself. Thinking of going for the GSA bc of the tank, not worrying if I drop it, and not feeling restricted to tarmac. I do think the RT engine is tuned better tho.
Yeah I think you may be right Daniel - this time around on the RT I was surprised how tucked up my legs were compared to the GS - the GS would defo be comfier on long days in the saddle I reckon.
I moved from the RT to an XR last year. Mainly because I was commuting into central Bristol and I got so annoyed by how much harder it was to filter on the RT - although you wouldn’t believe the stick I got from the RT owners club I got for saying that!! The only reason I didn’t get a GS is because I wanted to try some different bikes before the eventual migration to what is probably the most practical all rounder bike available (I.e. the GS). I know the GS is probably the best, but everybody seems to have one and my Mrs won’t let me have more than one bike at a time!! I want to try a Thunderbird first.
You’ll love the Thunderbird - obv not as practical as a GS but a lovely bit of kit nonetheless....thanks for watching!
I've currently got both an XR and an RT and the RT has been my go to bike. There is nothing the XR can do that the RT can't (in the real world), which has led me to the decision now of getting rid of my XR as for me the RT is the better bike.
Had a Gs , great bike but sold to build and reliability issues, maybe I was unlucky, now have a v strom 650 new £7500 with all the bits and luggage, I do the same things as I did on the gs, it’s lighter, cheaper and I think bulletproof and in the real world all the power you need and more in my opinion.
Had choice b the GS and I nod to every biker
Great video missenden again !!!
My mate has christened my RT 'Dark Helmet'. Check out the film Spaceballs and you will get it 😁. Great bike though - I've done over 30000 miles, two up touring, solo touring, commuting & everything else on the 1200LC version. I've had the GS as a long term loaner, but for me the RT is a better bike. Nice vid as always 👍🏻
A great comparison video and beyond the 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' thing, it's I suppose horses for courses.
However not mentioned is a key difference that 'short-arse' people might wish to consider namely the far lower seat option on the RT compared with the GS/GS Adventure.
For the GS you have:
800mm - Extra Low / Low Suspension
820mm - Low Seat
850mm - Standard Seat
870mm - High / Comfort
890 mm - Extra High / Rallye Seat
For the GS Adventure you have:
820 / 840mm (790 / 810mm (Accessory Low Seat)) - Extra Low / Low Suspension
870 / 890mm - Low Seat
890 / 910mm - Standard Seat
880mm - Low Rallye Seat
900mm - High Rallye Seat
But for the RT you have:
760/780mm - Low Seat
805/825mm - Standard Seat
830/850 - High Seat / Comfort Seat
Wunderlich also do a simple wheel accessory that brings the seat down to 750mm.
This could be a deal breaker for some!
Good point!
As has also been mentioned, going for the low suspension on the GS/GSA will result in less suspension travel - thus negating some of the alluded to earlier magic carpet ride of a GSA. I don't think one needs to always be able to flat foot a bike with both feet on the ground; one foot flat on the ground plus the other on a peg is usually enough, but i wouldn't feel safe on such a tall bike with both feet only on tippy toes - it would have to the balls of both feet as a safety minimum for such a weighty machine.
It's an easy choice............buy both!
I like the way you think Jon! Although Mrs Flyer....not so much....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Is it a case of you've got your wife just where she wants you!!!!! ;-)
I can see it now... for sale 1250gsa:- apparently do whatever the feck you want doesn't exactly mean that you can do what you like!!!
Thanks for doing this review. This is the exact decision I've been agonizing over for the last month. I finally made the decision to go with the GSA upon a visit to the dealer this week. I'm 5'8" with a 30" inseam and with the standard seat I'd look like a circus balancing act when stopped. The dealer put on the low seat with standard suspension and I'm actually flat-footed in my boots. I should take delivery next month. Thanks again. Love your videos.
You're welcome Ben - glad you like 'em!
I’m waiting for a review on a ‘white van’.
Here's one.......Ignorent Nobs !! :-)
tojjer29 😂👍🇦🇺
tojjer29 or even ignorant nobs!
@@garya3056 Never could speell 😱
tojjer29 you knobs!
I am with you, if I had the money there would be a R1250GS sitting in my garage. Thanks for another great video, stay safe.
In the States it's more BMW that has A BIT of a rep... the GS is just the most visible Beemer. Having said that... it's the HD guys who don't wave at anyone else (anyone who doesn't have an HD). As for the RT looks... IMO the bike looks "unbalanced" without a rider on it, the huge fairing makes the bike look like somewhat like a tadpole. Put a rider on one however (especially a bigger guy) and the bike starts to look quite good.
🙋🏻♂️ HD rider who obnoxiously waves at EVERYONE. Scooter riders wearing proper PPE included... Much to the chagrin of the Beemer guys in their KLIM suits.
The wind protection of the RT might be a problem when you ride with warm weather. Here in Italy, riding an RT in July or August with 38 degrees can become a nightmare (particularly if you use leather jacket)!
Interestingly I've read some articles on this, given that I live in Australia where summer temps can climb into the 40ºC's and it would appear that once the temperature goes above 33.5ºC, the effect of a hot wind blast on your body is to heat you up by convective heating, rather than by evaporative cooling. The hottest I've ridden on a bike was 32ºC - and on a naked bike. Even then it was unbearable - time for a car and A/C methinks. Of course if one is on a tour, you have no choice, but in theory at least, a vented suit behind the screen of an RT should keep you more comfortable in extreme heat than a similar suit behind the less wind protected screen of a GS/GSA.
If you don't use a GS off road then the RT is a far better choice for touring, including it has a much lower seat hight. Personally I'd want the K 1600 GT.
Appreciate I'm a bit late on this one and in agreement with your point on how the bike is used. One point I'd throw in, I toured Spain on an RT. Late April around 30 deg C. I was melting regardless of opening all my suit vents and having the screen at the lowest setting. If I were riding in summer heat - GS simply for ventilation and heat comfort particularly at lower speeds. For cold, wet and mainly motorway - RT. I can choose when and where to ride which means avoiding bad weather. So for country roads and thermal comfort the GS wins and I'll turn my heated jacket on if it gets a little too cool!
Cool! Pun intended 🤓
Perhaps if someone wants to be really mean on RT will give a point to GS for having the TFT
Great you brought this up. It was a Dillema for me for some time...Same engine, same gearbox, same shaft drive, same frame ? 19" front wheel on GS and off road styling. 17" front wheel on RT and tourer styling.
RT gets panniers as standard GS you have to pay for panniers...why ?
Performance is pretty much identical but better aerodynamics on the RT give better efficiency at speed. Longer travel suspension on GS soaks up bumps better but feels a bit light at the front when pushing along.
Conclusion: GS is the SUV version of the RT and Bmw have nailed the image. The RT is the ubiquitous international police / paramedic and Tour de France bike.
So they are both the same bike but they are not. The argument will never cease. The naked version of both of these, the R1250R, is the original Dna...
I just love my recently acquired 2017 RT. I would also love a Munch Mammoth ( remember that bike in Top Trumps, awsome ! ) but simply could not afford one...
Please review the 1250R
I will as soon as one is available to me Branko!
Well stated. Great summary.
There's just many damn GS's on the road. Going around Scotland, over half the bikes I saw were GS and most of the owners did not wave or nod back.
As usual an excellent video, I had a BMW R100RS, K100RS and now a GS1200, all three were super to ride each covering different aspects of Motorcycling, the GS I feel is more a complete package as the allrounder, as they say the choice is yours but we would miss you on your GS trademark.
Ride safe.
I’ve no plans to sell - she’s a keeper!
I recalled being called “sir” at a local burger joint when I happened upon the establishment on my newly acquired GS, that confirmed the old geezers bike reputation in the US.
GSA all day every day. No question. After wonderful GL1500 and GL1800 Gold Wings, I decided to change things up a bit. I have to say this amazing 20 GSA HO is one sweet motorcycle on numerous levels. Go anywhere and look good doing it. Ride safe and ride often. Peace.
I'm no GS fanboy but don't mind the look of the HP GS... but the RT, no thank you sir!
..."don't mind the look"..."I'm no fan boy"....yeah right, admit it, you're hooked!!
Sir Chop, have you ridden the RT at all ? I totally understand where you're coming from, as I was like that only months ago. The RT has handling like its a 600cc. I cant handle the cocoon feeling on this type of bike, as I believe riding should be "wind in your hair". Maybe in another 20 years aye? Luv ya vids! Cheers groover ;-)
2014 rt absolutely love it great touring machine, when I feel like getting of the tarmac I take the tiger 800xrt much lighter and nimble for my riding style and lots of fun on road too.
If one has a pillion, maybe the RT would a more “ democratic” option....
I have owned two different RTs and am now looking for a GS. The only downside I found to the RT were the side cases were easy to scratch and expensive to repair. I take excellent care of my bikes, however scratches still happened in close parking or everyday riding.
Assuming you're not interested in venturing off the tarmac both bikes are as near as dammit identical in terms of their ability to tour. The differentiator is image. The GS is "dad jeans" and the RT is "dad jeans" but with an elasticated waist. Also if you want a conventional tourer the Kwak Z1000SX Tourer makes the RT look so overpriced!
I own a z1000sx!on a 17plate!(miss my 13plate rt so much!😢)but can't afford a newer rt!so your right!the sx makes more sense!! Rt better bike tho!
I changed from a GSA to RT last year, I have always ridden adventure style bikes and I must admit i do miss my GSA. However, my wife prefers the RT as a pillion and has started coming away with me more on the bike. I also find the RT an easier bike to get on and off, it probably inspires a bit more confidence especially with a pillion as you can get your feet down flat on the floor. Another thing I find better on the RT apart from the obvious wind protection, is it's a quieter bike to ride. I always found the GSA to have a noisy front end. The biggest downside of the RT, I find at 6'2" the leg position is a little cramped. They are both brilliant bikes, but I think I will return to an Adventure style bike one day, I don't think it will be a GS or GSA due to the high cost.
Aren't they basically the same bike with different fairings and ride height?
Pretty much....
@@TheMissendenFlyer In which case, GS all the way! Although not my cup of tea to ride, I do think that the GS looks genuinely good, whilst the RT has one of those faces only a mother could love!
Jme Be I agree. My LT is the last truly good looking touring bike that BMW made. The S1000RR is pretty nice looking, but not really a touring bike.
Neither one. You should consider a FJR since you've never had a ride on one. The seat height is more suited to your size, only 805mm. Feet flat on the ground. Handles superbly with prodigious power output. Tracks like it is on rails. Has EVERY comfort and convenience amenity. Cost less to buy and service. Reliability is legend. Does not sound like the GS tractor engine. Keep the older GS. It's still good.
Yes I'd love a go on one of those - always liked the look of the FJR I must say....
Hello UK friends. Any riders or dealers in London willing to let the TMF test ride the Gen3 FJR1300ES?
Or...or...just maybe..."the RS"!?
Have I missed it or will you be doing a R 1250 RS review?
I can't helping thinking that that would be a serious contender.
(I did search for "rs" but it throws up 1001 "wrong" hits...)
Of the whole R range, the R and the RS are the two that I find somewhat good looking. The GSA and the RT just seem like an utter waste here in Europe.
1000% agree with this. My RS is amazing
Agreed. Should have read your comment before replying.
RS1250 not coming until September
Was just thinking about that one, the new R1250RS looks gorgeous!
Ride a RT because I don’t do dirt, no option, however I ride it standing up, seated and handles beautifully, the difference in these bikes is the plastic, weather protection and on the GS higher suspension but that’s it< same engine etc
I have been on the fence over these same 2 bikes. However recently have been leaning more and more towards the GSA. I will break the stigma of ownership as I wave at all makes and models and pretty much love to talk to people soooooo... Thanks for the great comparo on these 2 fabulous machines but that 1250 GSA Exclusive really has me thinking.
Rt all the way!!!👍
Just bought the 1200 version of this 2017 model having been a GS rider for 19 years. Neither bike is ugly but that is always in the eye of the beholder. I absolutely love this bike, I carry a pillion rugularly and the comfort on the RT is superb for her. there was always an issue particularly for the pillion getting on and off the bike. The equipment on the LE is fantastic to and as you say the RT definately has the edge on weather protection. I'm sure you couldn't hear the radio on a GS if you had one, who knew that would be a thing lol. All in all a brilliant bike.
Thanks for the real world feedback Paul!
what about an RS then?
As a previous owner of K1200s, K1600gt & R1200r classic and presently a RS I'd say the RS cuts the middle ground of them all and is my favourite. As an everyday bike it's fantastic. It may not be as fast as the K12 but it's still plenty fast (hoping the 1250 brings out the beast more). It may not be as long distance a mile muncher as the K16 but will happily do a day's touring with almost as much luggage space. If you fancy a bit of corner carving the RS is well up for it, giving great confidence, and feels like the sport tourer it truly is. If you only have the space for one bike in your life the RS ought to be on your short list if you need an all rounder which will tour, commute and do some sport stuff.
I dont have so much money so I orderd the Suzuki 1000 XT and I like those gold rims like on GS. I like the style of adventure bikes. Father in law was responsible when he bought a new old 1200 GS few months ago for me to come back on a bike after 5 years. Grettings from Slovenia.
I wouldn’t buy either, I’m only 61, maybe when I get older 😂😂😂
Age has nothing to do with it. I am 34 and love my GS.
Motoprof it was a joke!
OldManTony ha ha ha ...
Ha ha very funny. I guess that means you've never owned or ridden one of these bikes
Mick Finn I just can’t bring myself to try one, mind you I’ve never tried a cardigan, smoked a pipe, or worn a flat cap either hahahahah!
How about the cost of servicing? From my experience with GoldWings and BMW K100RT and also two GS BMW’s, found that the extra cost of removing and refitting the fairings at service time made the service costs significantly over the more naked bikes. Much choice may come down to personal height and ease of getting a leg over the saddle and luggage.
Good point Mark!
Mark,that's not the case.I currently own a 2018 rt,which I have had from new.6000 miles service at my local BMW dealer cost me just £225.My 2014 GS for the same service at the same dealership cost £215.
I can remove all the tupperware from my RT,in just over 35 minutes.I wouldn't Call £10 extra,significant.
The RT isn't ugly. It's HIDEOUS!!
Great review. I am getting ready to buy the GSA. Only because I also have a Harley Ultra for touring also and two up riding. If I didn't have the Harley I would go with RT. I love them both. Thanks again. Nashville Tennessee USA!
Good choice David - I reckon you'll love it!
Trouble is that Honda /Yamaha etc dealers are very reluctant to give anything like a reasonable price for a BMW on a trade in so if you buy one you are pretty well tied to the brand.
Just too much cost/loss involved for me as a really good bike can be had for half the money, or even two!
Just have both. And have an enclosed trailer and a mobil home come with it. And always have the wintertime off. Head to spanish sierra nevada from end of oktober until may. Drive as much as you like, money wouldnt be a problem, life is cheap.
The GS/Harley thing is the same as range rover or Apple.
It's the go to model for people who have the money but not so much the passion of say someone on a 2k bike held together with luck and love.
People that skim over the culture which all of us have involved ourselves in a culture that requires a fair sense of community. So it doesn't go well when someone actively sneers at you (sadly has happened to me) for simply extending a nod.
Like all things it's the little minority that create a stereotype for all. Everyone on two wheels wouldn't turn down a GS they're the end goal for a lot of us.
I'd have the GS over the RT I'd buy the RT if the misses wanted me to get a car 😁
It's defo a minority ... and id say it's the traditional die hard beemer riders of old.... the demographics of BMW as a brand has changed massively over the last decade. I've been riding since I was 6 years old, had track bikes, a plethora of litre sportsbikes...lived the dream in my 20's ... I'm almost 39 now but I've had a GS since 2012 ! Just got fed up of chasing revs and going flat out everywhere .. always toured Europe so the GS was the natural progression ... after I'd flirted with a Tiger 1050 ... Now, there's no bike id rather be on 👍🏼
Hi TMF. Just done a bit of research on the BMW website. A fully spec'd RT is 19515, a fully spec'd K1600 (with reverse gear and adaptive headlight as extra) is 20555. The GSA fully spec'd (without panniers) is 18270. For me the only reason to go for the GSA would be the larger tank but I don't go far enough to warrant it
Personally when it comes to my once in a life time bike as a treat for getting my dream job on the railways (guard for now but will be much easier to become a train driver in a few years) I think I'll be getting the K1600GT fully spec'd. What a blood bike. May see if I can sweet talk my local dealer to getting an authority model of the K1600 (minus blue lights etc) as I know the dutch police use them and a few others as well, make it even more ideal for blood biking, which is a lot of bang on the speed limit riding (would have to see if I can get the speedo calibrated by IRS Nottingham) and getting to the speed limit very quickly (I can out pace an ambulance on blue lights in shropshire by accelerating hard over 12 miles from Shrewsbury to Telford whilst staying within the speed limit)
The RT is so bulbous it makes a Suzuki Hayabusa look svelte.
The stigma thing ... too many folk think that a GS is a pure "off road" bike ... when in fact, it's every bit the road bike as the RT is ..
I prefer the riding position and high up view of the road ahead that the GS gives you ...
I have never previously owned a motorcycle which gives me so much pleasure whether on a long trip or commuting in traffic. Its not the badge, not the GS logo, its the total ownership thing which is just so superior to any other bike I have owned. Easy to compare price, specs, warranty, looks etc, but the Feel-good factor of riding my GS places it in a league apart. Those that own a GS know. Those that don't, don't. interesting though, that RT owners are not so passionate and are potentially also Goldwing or HD owners. Why is this I wonder? Consider this you non-GS critisers, how come the GS is the world's best selling motorcycle? RT sales don't get anywhere near.
If only I had been a motoraad salesman.
interesting point. i've had an RT for 9 years years. love it on long trips. but something was missing. the feel good factor. i'm in the market for new. cant' decide between a GS or new RT, this helps
TMF
Good video as always, i had the same problem deciding so I brought both! haven't picked them up yet, my dealer loves me!
...other brands are available...😙
Having owned both tourer and GSA, i was prone to damaging the big plastic bike when passing it by in the garage.
Replaced pannier cover, top box cover, aerial plus scratched fairing lowers, all while it was standing still.
Owned GS 1100 since 1996, a couple of GSA's, none sustained damage while static in same way.
If your of a simular nature, the GS range is the one to go for.
You had to replace, you can't buff out?
Not much of a difference really, they both fit in the Starbucks car park equally well.... LOL
I'm not a Starbucks fan either..
Which one is better for the starbucks drive-thru though ;-)
The GSA will get there in the rain though...if it's light rain
brilliant review. hit the nail on the head about the low centre of gravity it's amazing with the boxer engine.
Gs a bike spoilt by a minority of people who look down their noses at other riders why I do not know....the no waving no chatting to other riders is purely a individual thing ...gs's' by and large are everywhere so again that may put people off...cheers from dave...
I’d have to agree with you there mate. I have a S1000XR here in Australia and recently met up with some GS riders the other day. Yep, ignored by all of them 😂
They really believe they're on the best bike in the world and can't understand you may prefer the bike you're riding.
Great read and great comments. Needed something that chewed up the miles the best and chose the K1600GT. It's an uber comfortable cruise Missile in BMW livery and a head turner at every light and not being an offroad guy, it made the choice very easy indeed! 😎👍
Nice!
None flyer there both to expensive lol.
I couldn’t agree more TMF, I’ve owned three RT’s and I’m on my fourth GSA over a period of approximately 13 years, always alternating between the two RT, GSA then back to RT. If I’d have just kept the first RT I would probably have one of each now and both paid for at that! So, the last RT was a 2017, loved it, took it on a four day ride to the Texas HIll Country and could not fault it in any way, it was fantastic. Then, during its twelve month service, I saw a 2018 GSA Rallye and just couldn’t stop looking at it. Long story short, it was heavily discounted because the 1250’s had just come out and so I basically ended up with a new bike with the same payments and terms as the 1 year old bike. I’ve thought long and hard about the two bikes and the best way I can put it, is that the only problem with the RT is that it’s not a GS! Make sense?