Broadhead penetration & arrow flight testing for whitetail deer setups.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2021
- Today we take the next step in arrow penetration testing for whitetail deer setups. We have chosen this years arrow, now we need to test some broadheads. We will test the Magnus Stinger Buzzcut, Dirtnap Alpha, Dirtnap D.R.T., QAD Exodus & Wasp Mortem. With the G5 Outdoors Montec penetrating the least and flying the worst we chose not to include this one in the testing.
While testing the penetration out of the bow, we chose to do our testing at approximately 10-15 yards. This ensures maximum arrow speed, maximum momentum because the further away we are from the animal the more penetration you will lose, specially if you hit bone!
For those doubters out there, momentum is only as good as the strength of the blades on your broadheads and the strength of your arrows when hitting a deers shoulder! For the others who believe momentum is king.... then answer this questions for me.... Why is speed in the formula for momentum TWICE! Lose speed, lose momentum......
Bowsetup:
Mathews V3
27.5 inch Draw Length
70.2 lb draw weight
Carbon Express Maxima Red SD 250's (354 Grains/400 Spine)
100 grain braodheads
Tested Broadheads:
Magnus Stinger Buzzcut
Dirt Nap Alpha and D.R.T.
Wasp Mortem
QAD Exodus
G5 Outdoors Montec (Excluded as performed the worst)
Ballistic Gel Information:
Clear Ballistics 10% gel FBI block - บันเทิง
I watched this whole video because I wanted to see the G5 Montec perform and you didn't even test it. You got me😅
Sorry wasn’t meaning to mislead, but it had preformed so poorly it didn’t make it to the video
Magnus heads will never do you wrong. life time warranty! i use the black hornets. with standard vforce arrows.
This is really a good video. You make some solid points. Practicing, knowing your equipment and taking the correct shots all should make it come together.
You saved me money🤙🏻thanks for the time and effort
Nice test. My personal favorite is the stinger. To your comments about heavier arrows. I have bow hunted for around 30 years. I had always shot arrows similar to yours around 400 grains. In the last 5 to 7 years I have increased my arrow weight to 550 to 600 grains with a higher foc. With the lighter set up, I had mixed results. I lost big deer when hitting the shoulder. Now I wasn’t aiming for the shoulder but deer move. In your video last year where you killed a doe that was slightly quartering to, by the time the arrow got there she was hard quartering to. That shot is the reason I switched to heavier arrows with coc blades. I can say that when I got above 500 grains I have had 100% pass throughs on deer. My arrows fly and tune better also. If you haven’t tried it, you should. I know you don’t need it for shooting through ribs but it’s good to have when you do hit shoulder.
Its hard for some people to change. They don't realize that when they first started, they were shooting all aluminum arrows that weighed around 500 grains with coc heads cause mechanical didnt exist and were getting complete pass throughs. It was when carbon and mechanical came around that wounding deer to death became common place and for some reason acceptable
Sam, we appreciate the view, comment and support. Thanks for the compliment. About three/four years ago, I was using super light arrows (mechanical SMH) all to allow for maximum speed. The doe video you are speaking of, I was using Easton FMJ 5mm with a Rage Trypan. Those arrows were 454 grains. I did notice a big difference moving from 354 grain arrows for about 10 years (Lol), refused to change (stubborn) to the FMJs which were 100 grains heavier. Once I moved to the Easton FMJ's, I was noticing I was very slow and didn't like the speed I had lost because of my 27.5 inch draw weight at 60#s.
This year I have done more experimenting than I have ever done with arrows. It has paid off and I was looking for balance. I will continue to experiment and find that perfect weight for my set-up!
We really appreciate the comments!!!
Thanks for the view, comment and support. This is what our channel is about "Evolving" and we will continue to experiment with our arrows and arrow weight.
Yep, Allot of people never head of Dr. Ashby or the RF.The heavier arrow retains more speed & energy at distance according to lab radar (velocity vs drag). The difference between a 400gr arrow & a 600gr arrow is .1 seconds (Lethal Podcast). Also, I'm changing to 525+ w/21.9% FOC. I like a little more retained energy.Plus, like you, I want a 'Plan B arrow' for when Plan A doesn't work..... Yep, deer can move at the sound of the bow & bones are hard.......One last thing. You can hit bone no mater how tuned your bow is. MW.
Amazing video
Very good information, thank you for saving me some time + money
Need more soapbox rants like that! Ethical shots= success!
Liked the video it gave great points! Taking a shot that is not directly into the vitals is very unethical! I agree with you wait for the shot and get the right shot placement!
Great video guys! Good luck here in Kentucky this year!
Thanks for the view support and comment! We hope this will be our third year in Kentucky. Absolutely love it and just need to connect with a Velvet buck!
@@pappawheels same here. It can be tough but got some good ones on camera and hoping to get my first velvet buck.
I have shot those stingers on big deer in Kansas and had very good results!! I shoot low poundage because of my shoulders but I get shoulder pass through with those stingers and good blood 🩸
Thank you for you honest opinion on the high FOC arrows I agree with you I’m shooing 475 grain arrows and that’s a stock arrow 250 spine and 29 inches @ 60#
Thanks for the view, comment and support. That seems to be the perfect balanced weight!!!
Those 2 blade heads have to be perfect inline with the odd color fleching
I shoot a 300 spine arrow with 100 grain brass insert and 100 grain point total weight 502grains and I’m still getting 280fps
100 percent i like your Video
You are correct more practice the better you can shoot.. however do the research... heavier arrows GREATLY reduces the chances of encountering issues the may reduce penetration..
I switched to the magnus buzz cut this year after shooting rage for so long
Mass makes a big swing in those numbers when figuring your kinetic energy and momentum. Here's 3 at home science experiments everyone can do involving a ping pong ball and a golf ball.
1. Have somebody throw them at you. The golf ball probably wasn't going as fast but is going to hit harder and out to farther distances. (Kinetic energy)
2. Throw both balls at a plate glass window. Which one broke the window and carried through the room? (Momentum)
3. Throw both into a pile of sand. Which one went deeper? (Penetration)
The math won't lie to you.
As a side note, anyone want to take a guess at what surrounds a deers vitals? Hint, it's a rib cage. What's that made out of that a broadhead has to get through? Surely we are not all expert bowhunters that can slip a 1+ inch broadhead through a gap that is going to 1/2 inch at best.
One last thing and I'm done, and no I don't hunt with them, the g5 montec is the best flying broadhead on the market. Every hunter I have ever spoke with has said that and my own personal testing out to 75 yards with them confirmed that they fly like darts. Only reason they never made it to my quiver is because even at 20 yards, they are loud and I have always been told the blood trails aren't the best even on heart shot deer.
450bm works for me happy hunting.
Hahaha absolutely
Exodus puts bigger holes in deer than all the heads you tested
I would have liked to see the results of the Montechs. I've been using them for a few years now with no problems.
Sorry, but they just didn’t perform well at all.
Side note (late but may hv value?) at 40 yds all but one head hit rt of target. May want to try pushing rest ever so slightly to the rt. I mean less than 16th” more like a 32nd to 64th”. Very well could bring impact to center. I am assuming the field pts hit center at 40? Thanks.
Wasn’t tuning them because wanted to see where each hit which goes into the video and why making it. Would show which broadheads fly best right out of the bow. Appreciate the tip and thanks for watching and commenting!
Some of us have no choice but to shoot heavy arrows. My draw length dictates 500 plus grain arrows. 250 spine with 32" uncut length. I never knew light so to me its just normal. Having a 32" draw is a gift and a curse. I shoot a Kudu single bevel head.
My only advice to you is to drop that draw weight by about 10 pounds, you look to struggle with your draw, or at least it is not smooth. Other than that good vid, thanks for the testing.
Thanks for the view, comment and support. Started to struggle with draw after about 25+ arrows prior to vid(practice) lol. Although I did end up dropping the weight.
The difference is draw length. Main point of the video is there is no need for “extreme FOC” or “extreme weight” it’s all about finding a balance between all!
Nice video, only thing id have to say is the exodus on second shot should of used a new head as the first shot the broadhead got duller from being shot into the gel, then stock and caused less penetration.
Thanks for the view, comment and support. That is something I did not even think of, thanks for the input!
Did you paper tune your bow with the lighted nocks or the factory nocks? 99% chance the lighted nocks will tune different since they are heavier and the throat is different.
Lol of course tuned with lighted nocks!
@@pappawheels 🤙I like the Magnus and the Montec the most out of those heads you got there.
Good review but if all arrows were the same length it would be more accurate to measure the back end of the arrow sticking out of the gel block. Also, the block should be strapped or weighted down for all shots.
Thanks for the view, comment and support!
Except all the broadheads aren’t the same length.
I'm confused. Shooting 400 spine, 72lbs, 27.5" draw and yet slaps a 100g broadhead on? According to any chart I read, the 72lbs, draw length and broadhead calls for a 250 spine.
You are reading the chart wrong
@@pappawheels the chart on Goldtip, the calculator on ashby bowhunting and Sirus archery calculator all say the same
I am right on the line with carbon express arrows. Every arrow company has different specs for their spine in arrows based off of what materials they make their arrows out of.
With such a short draw length my arrows are already stiffer than someone with a longer draw length. This allows me to get away with a 400 spine, 100 grain point with higher poundage.
At 69 lbs I can have a 400 spine, at 70-75 lbs carbon express recommends 350 spine. It’s about testing what works for you and your setup.
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Ashby and Sirus are in the business of pushing high weighted arrows along with the ranch fairy and THP. Look at everyone of those guys draw lengths (over 30 inches). I don’t have the ability to gain the speed of someone with large draw lengths and heavy arrows.
I put a 500 grain arrow thru my bow with a 125-200 grain point and I am under 250 FPS with any bow I grab! The “supposed” best speed is 280-295 FPS. Trust us do your own testing.
@@pappawheels I’m lost on all this. I haven’t bow hunted since 2004 and just decided to get back into. I have a ventum pro 30. My draw is 28.5, draw weight 65lbs. I have Goldtip 340 spine that has a 75g brass inserts. Based on all that, the two bow shops in my area (Louisville,ky), both showed me a chart and said that a 100g broadhead would be the most I could shoot on that spine arrow based on those numbers
Wish we could go after velvet bucks here in oklahoma. Our season don't start till oct 1st. Disagree about heavy arrows but who gives a shit lol. Have a great season and lay'em down bud!
We are just traveling to Kentucky for Velvet bucks. We live in Ohio and our season doesn’t start till the end of September (usually 26th or 28th) which they are out of velvet here by then.
@@pappawheels ah I see. Well have fun, and best of luck
I don't feel the re-test of the QAD exodus was fair. Shooting it that first time definitely dulled the blade. Everyone knows that when you shoot a BH it needs to be re-sharpened or the blades replaced before you hunt with it. If you shot the other blades again they'd definitely lose at least a couple inches of penetration.
It is ballistic gel. There is no bone, hide and so on. Let’s be logical and realistic here… how much do you actually think one shot into ballistic gel dulled that blade. Do you really think through ballistic gel with one shot would cause us to lose a “couple of inches” on the second shot? I think there is some misconceptions on this.
@@pappawheels I am being realistic... Take a hair shaving sharp knife and cut into some meat. That knife will no longer shave hair... I shot the exodus through a soft foam target and it needed to be re-sharpened... Obviously a razor thin edge is not going to maintain sharpness after use.
@@Bowfella if you shoot a new broadhead out of the pack into a target one time it actually makes the head sharper by removing the tiny wire edge. This has been proven.
Hey I just want to start by saying I appreciate you making videos for hunters and you seem like a good guy. You shot broadleaf at 10 yards and not once hit the dots you put on the ballistic gel. Did you broadleaf tune or bareshaft tune your arrows first? I agree you do not have to slot super heavy setups for whitetails to be ethical. I killed many a deer with lighter setups with mechanicals and got pass through 99% of the time. I have gone with heavier setups that last few years to see what difference it would make. I think what matters the most is a very well tuned bow and arrow setup so the arrow is flying straight with all the energy being transferred to it. I personally think that many guys have failures with mechanical heads because of unturned set ups. They use mechanical heads because they can't get a fixed head to fly. This video shows your bow isn't properly tuned because every on of those heads at 40 yards should hit the mark. I also think you should drop your draw weight 5lbs. You should be able to stand on 1 foot and comfortably draw your bow smoothly , you see to struggle a bit. Keep up the work and good luck this season.
Thanks for the view comment and support. We really appreciate it. The arrows are for sure tuned. I was trying to save the block as for the broadheads I had that block was way to small to try 5 arrows in different holes. Lol I assure you I am not one of those shooters!!! Hahaha… I am 100 percent hitting bullet holes with paper tuning and have walk back tuned. Yea not 100 percent comfortable with shooting 30 or more arrows with the 70 lbs yet. Before I made video I was shooting my 60 yard 10 arrows so yes it appears struggles was the game. Lesson learned on not practicing heavily before doing video. It does look like I was on the struggle bus! Hahaha…
Looked tuned to me. All broadheads for the most part at 40 were hitting low right. That's a sight adjustment not a tune issue.
Think you might be better off with a 300 spine over a 400
Nope that is over spined and caused tuning issues
Shoot at enough deer and you'll hit bone especially if aiming behind the shoulder....the point is not to shoot heavier arrows to purposely take those shots. It's to still get your deer if you happen to hit bone. What's the problem with wanting to set up your arrow system to handle this task? Why would you not do that?
Idk man. I like a fast flat shooting bow. I also have a 26.5 draw. I also practice year around religiously. I have never not had a pass through with my sub 400 grain arrows. If you hit em in the right spot it’s not necessary.
@@pik2490 Everything doesn’t always go to plan. I’ll agree that the vast majority of time you’ll be fine. It’s just when you hit heavy bone the trouble comes.
Don't you guys know you can't explain anything to a Mathews fan boy!!! He also thinks it's stupid to sharpen his heads because ranch fairy said it🤣🤣🤣 Who is dumb enough to go blah blah blah duhblah I won't sharpen my heads because ranch fairy said so...
@@bigdean4614 you must not have seen very many ranch fairy videos….he says it’s irresponsible to go to the field without sharpening your broad heads. I sharpen all my broad heads to shaving sharp and didnt have a deer go out of sight last season.
I meant that for the TH-camr bud not you!! This was referring to him from other replies but tied into what you were saying... You got to understand his info and experience is from shooting deer with a rage!!! Lol why sure he would say you can't go through a shoulder and it's not ethical... If he knew the proper dynamics of were the shoulder is compared to the vitals he would know what most ppl see as the shoulder is just meat all you have is the leg bone and the scapula up high what he calls the shoulder is just meat.
He hasn't progressed to the understanding of hunting yet!!! Hey is a hype guy hints the Mathews and rage broadheads!!! I bet he doesn't sharpen his knives and has a havalon knife... He still shot rage even though every hunting show and videos shows a arrow penetrating 4 inches and shows a dead deer but I bet it took 2 days to die and tracking dogs!!! He talks crap on ranch fairy but doesn't get he has videos on shit placement and how the vitals truly lie nor does he understand if you would happen to hit leg bone on the opposite side or the scapula with a 350 grain arrow with a rage let's say you will not get a passthrough!!! But if you have a arrow that's heavier with cut on contact with a heavy foc the difference is ten fold. But but you know the Mathews/rage guys they never understand until a monster buck gets hit and the famous well damn the blood trail stopped!!!! When you follow ranch fairy and watch your deer die in 50 60 yards or once 10ft well you get a amazing well damn he was right and your hunting ways change forever...
I agree not about blowing thru bone it's about being accurate and ethical
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I shoot an Easton aftermath arrows and a Bear Legit
while I'm not a fan of the G5 montec... with a PROPERLY SPINED arrow they fly just fine. regardless of your draw length you should probably move up to a 300 spine and move away from twizzlers
You need to go watch Troy (The Ranch Fairy) Fowler... he did a test with a lab scope shooting multiple weight arrows out to 60 yards, charted speed leaving the bow, speed degradation every 10 yards and kinetic energy on impact.. the testing shows and proves that heavier arrows retain more speed and kinetic energy the farther you go... research these things before you give an opinion...
He doesn't care hey owns a Mathews so everything he says is money!!! He calls what ranch fairy says is a band wagon!!! My new arrows I just ordered and will build will be around 456 grains but high foc. I was explaining how important it is to sharpen your broadhead and lmao he says it's a bandwagon... This guy is another TH-camr that doesn't know squat (But thinks he does)😉 lol his heading says learn to evolve but he only goes by his logic 🤣🤣🤣 I take everyone's info and try it out but this guy doesn't get that even though his plaque says learn to evolve lmao
QAD exodus blows them all the way in real world hunting brother. Those magnus will leave the worst blood trails you’ve ever seen.
400 spine arrow? Your shooting a wet noddle
Not for my setup at the time.
Why in the world would you shoot 400s with 70 pounds
Because I have such a short draw length. Arrow spine testing takes place with a 28 inch arrow. I have a 27 1/2 inch draw length. This means I get to subtract 5lbs of draw weight from my spine selection. This puts me on a bubble which means I can either go with a 400 or a 350 spine.
Thanks for the view, comment and support. There are great articles out there about arrow spine selection. If you would like us to forward them to you, let us know.
@@pappawheels I have a 28” draw and I shoot a 300 spine arrow obviously I have high foc tho it’s 17%
@@tylerisbell6916 and the balance between speed and momentum with a 300 spine is suffering. With such a high FOC that is the reason you have to have such a stiff spine. This makes tuning a nightmare and the reason why you have to have such a stiff spine, heavy arrow. This in my opinion is the extreme “fad” of FOC that is going on which makes people suffer with high speed loss.
@@pappawheels my arrow is 500 grains it tuned right up and I shoot 280 FPS. Idk what your talking about fad I just look at science
@@tylerisbell6916 of that’s the numbers you are getting then that is perfect!
Great video! You made a lot of good points. I definitely agree that a 600-700 grain arrow isn't necessary for whitetail out of today's modern compound bows. The people pushing these arrows are likely affiliated with those companies....or they were introduced to that setup...had success and now are fanboys for life. I hunt Indiana whitetail, and a deer's body size here range from just a baby to holy sh... I'm forced to practice to proficiency out to 70 yds due to having open field shots much of the time. Though I seldom want to take a shot that far, I likely would run out of elevation with a 600-700 grain arrow, and wouldn't attempt it due to the terrible trajectory of an arrow like that. As far as penetration? We all know that there are a multitude of factors that play in to that. I shoot an arrow many would scoff at. I shoot a Black Eagle Carnivore, tipped with a 125 Slick Trick Magnum, total arrow weight is a laughable 380 grains...but shoots like a dart, and flies exceptional at all ranges(properly tuned bow). I have never had one of these arrows stay in a deer on a broadside or slightly quartering away shot....ever. Even the few deer harvested past 60 yds have been pass-thrus without a problem. Shot placement is worth 10x..or more than arrow weight. Light and fast doesn't kill....slow and heavy doesn't kill... accuracy kills! There are benefits and disadvantages for every conceivable setup. Pick the tool for your intended job, tune it until it flies exceptional, know your limitations and make ethical shots and most any arrow you pick.. with a quality fixed blade broadheads will blow through the biggest whitetail most of the time.
1. Taking a shot on any animal that you’re not absolutely confident that your set up can handle and in your shot placement wise you definitely have no business taking sed shot
2. Saying something is wrong when you have little to no experience in… is also wrong !!
3. It is also very easily proven with math… that heavier arrows have less speed erosion over distance which means they maintain the speed they have longer than a lighter Arrow would that is moving faster with more resistance from the atmosphere this slowing it down faster
4. Say you do take a nice quartering away shot, what happens when that lighter arrow with less momentum and kinetic energy at the target hits the off side shoulder and doesn’t pass through, now you’ve plugged the hole you were trying to make insted of having a pass through
5. It is a proven fact both mathematically and through countless field tests that arrows that weigh over 500 grains start having significantly more pass-through potential
Jeff, first thanks for the view, comment and support. We appreciate and value everyones input, experience here at Evolved Bowhunting Outdoors. To respond to
#1 goes without saying we all can 100% agree on this.
#2, we will agree to disagree as saying you are aware of my experience level, education level and experience level as an archer based off of your knowledge of my experience. That in turn turns your #2 comment right back to you (lol not being rude or offensive in any way to you).
#3 Lets take into consideration scientific fact.... gravity all over earth is 9.807 m/s2. This means all objects fall to earth at the exact same ratio regardless of weight. This is proven by dropping a bowling ball and a baseball at the same time and they will hit the ground at the same time because of earths gavitational pull. Accounting for this along with speed, momentum and kinetic energy in true archery distances (15-45 yards) we could even stretch it to 50 yards if we really needed to. There are few and far between ELITE archers out there shooting 50+ yards at animals. The faster arrows are not losing as much speed as you would think when speaking of arrows between the 380 to 475 grain weights. Now on the flip side the amount of speed lost with arrows well over 600 grains is tremendous. Accounting for balanced weight and balanced speed is our goal with this video with my set-up. Could we go a little heavier, probably, but the trade off in the loss of speed just does not make sense at archery distances because of such a short draw length.
#4 See last years video titled "How to track a deer with a questionable shot." This was a pass through quartering to shot and went though the rear offside hip. The arrow was an Easton FMJ 5mm weighing 454.8 grains. What people fail to realize in the math of momentum SPEED counts twice..... yes speed is very important in momentum. Sure we could forget about speed and sling arrows weighted over 650 grains, but have to hold a bow at the skyline for any distance out past 15 yards. It is purely about balance and finding out for ourselves through trial and error, not by big archery company marketing to sell more products what works for us.
#5 I ask you, show me the math? I have had a tremendous amount of pass throughs throughout my 30 years of hunting with archery equipment. I think the problem started with mechanical broadheads came into play! For this math to work, the man/woman completing it will have to take 50 years to complete it because to account for shot angles, distance to target, broadhead being used, height of tree stand or ground hunting, bow weight, draw weight, weight of arrows, diameter of arrows and so on... There are to many variables to even attempt this math from person to persons and bow to bow which makes it impossible to complete this mathematical equation.
Thanks for the view, comment and support. We really appreciate the input. Good luck this season and stay safe!
Jeff here is some math for you to backup what we are saying..... which is just to be clear, there is no need for the "extreme heavier arrows" (i.e. 600 grains and above).
Carbon Express Maxima Red SD 434.6 grains
Carbon Express Triad (watch our video on this arrow) 524.6 grains (added 125 grain field point)
At 3 yards through a chronograph (27.5 in draw length/70.2Lb draw weight)
Maxima Red SD 284 FPS
Triad 263 FPS
At 30 yards (Exact Same two arrows)
Maxima Red SD 268 FPS
Triad 250 FPS
The difference is 16 FPS loss with the light arrow and 13 FPS loss with the heavier arrow. This is again at a distance of only 30 yards. No one would notice 3 FPS difference, but the starting speed for closer distances, everyone would notice. Now lets check some momentum statistics... Real math.....
434.6 grains P= 35.50090944 kg m/s (@ 30 yards 268 FPS)
524.6 grains P= 39.97452 kg m/s (@ 30 yards 250 FPS)
As you can see the differences in these arrow weights are so minuscule the significant loss of speed does not equate to the gains in this so called new game of "Momentum" when it comes to extreme heavy arrows.
Thanks.
@@pappawheels my 500 grain arrow is traveling 280 so it has hella momentum
@@pappawheels I will also say that there is a difference between an arrow that’s 500 grains with a standard insert and a 100 grain point and a 500 grain arrow with a 100 grain brass insert and 100grain point
somebody has spent to much time hunting food plots and corn piles. in the thick on public you get the shots you get and your arrow better be able to get to the other side. oh and as far as vitals (location in the body) the quartering too shot is the most lethal shot you can take. assuming your arrow and broadhead is up to the task
We appreciate the view, comment and support. We hunt the Midwest, which is ag fields and open hardwoods. We again understand this setup is not for everyone and respect anyone’s way of hunting. Even our public lands are filled with ag fields and open hardwoods. To build off your comment “Assuming your arrow and broadhead is up to the task” says it all. The setups we use are not meant to crush bone because it is not needed for whitetail deer and we don’t believe in taking shots that have potential to injure and/or fail due to the slightest inch of human error. The animals we hunt deserve a quick clean human kill.
@@pappawheels no you just believe in shooting insufficiently lethal arrows and hoping for the best. You said it yourself “we have had some failures”. Sounds like your arrow wasn’t up to the task even on all those perfect shots you get. Listen you do not have to shoot 740gr like me but I didn’t set out to shoot that much either it’s what tuned the best. And honestly I like it. Just get above 500. Bet a bunch of those failures would have been recoveries apart from gut shots. Bad shots are bad shots. Forward and quartering too shots are great shots if your arrow and broad head are up to the task
Mountain Troll, we would never believe in shooting something less than lethal. Every hunter experiences failure. Yes, we are fortunate to have a farm that is solely used by us. We totally respect everyones input and believe it will help us all learn as we "Evolve." over the last three/four years I have increased my weight on my arrows for sure.
The experimenting I have done because of my super short draw length is showing it is all about balance. Those of us with short draw lengths cannot achieve speeds over 300 FPS anymore with bows in production today unless we use super light arrows (MISTAKE #1). I was shooting arrows that weight 354 grains and a mechanical broached.... to say the least the arrows flew like rockets and tuned amazing for me, but the penetration was not there. Three years ago, I switched to the Easton FMJ 5mm, which brought my weight up to 454 grains, but dropped me to only 260 FPS because of my short draw length (27.5 inches). This type of speed for me, I felt was unacceptable. So I continued to experiment and this year will be moving back to cut on contact ( fixed blades) broadheads, and moving my draw weight up to 70.2lbs with arrows weighing 434.6 grains. I may even try adding 125 grain heads which will give me another 25 grains (FOC) and get me to 459.6. But as of right now I am shooting about 289FPS with the setup I have selected at this moment.
We again appreciate the comment, support and insight! Thanks and please feel free to keep this thread going as we love hearing about others experiences!
@@pappawheels if you can’t play the speed game then why are you trying. Also that there are a ton of variables you cannot control on every shot you take why would you install more by your arrow/head choice.
@@pappawheels 27.5 is not a short draw length it’s in the realm of average
Haha, G5 montecs are one of the deadliest & best penetrating broadheads out there buddy. You never even shot that head at the gel block. Wonder why?? Must be sponsored by someone else 😂
No sponsors here at all! It legit performed the worst out of all the broadheads! We aren’t sponsored by anyone! They were ruled out before testing even started on the video!
You are definitely under spined
Nope not at all from my draw length and weight!!!
So after the second shot with the exodus it went in further than the DRT did but yet you say on the video that the DRT did better. And then you do a one shot group at 40 yards with a bow you're struggling to pull back and make your accuracy statements off that.
Appreciate the effort but cant use any of your data.
Thanks for the view, comment and support! Sir you are mistaken as the QAD was 13-13 1/2 and the DRT was 14. I admit during my 40 yards I was struggling as I had just switched mods to 70lbs not even a week before. The sighting in and confirming sights before shooting wore me out, then shooting and filming the test did too and then longer range did as well.
Not staying with 70lb mods this year as too difficult for me, but the results of the testing were accurate and true.
This guy is just simply wrong in so many ways….. What he doesn’t understand is, a quiet arrow is a deadly arrow! And heavy arrows are quiet. Most bad placement from an experienced hunter comes from a reactive deer. I’m convinced deer react to the sound of arrow flight. That’s not a bad shot, that’s a deer reacting to a fast loud arrow. I can tell you from experience that since I’ve changed to a heavy arrow set up, deer do not move till the arrow passes through. Kinetic energy doesn’t kill deer, momentum does. Too much kinetic energy and not enough momentum often sends deer into a rage of panic and run a long way. A heavy quiet arrow often passes through and the deer doesn’t even know what hit them and it’s a short tracking job. FOC is just undeniable science that there is no argument for. ….so, sure the 400gr arrow with 100gr head set will do the trick but no matter how good you are and how much you practice there is still many variables and the more I can eliminate the more ethical and confident I can be. Sure, you can tow your boat with a 1/2 ton v6 truck, but the 3/4 ton diesel is simply gonna be more efficient and you will certainly be more confident. My arrow set is 523 grains with a total of 225 grain at the head 27 1/2 inch draw at 70 lbs there is no bone that will stop it on a whitetail and it’s deadly quiet. Very rarely have to shoot at a deer past 35 yards but I’m confident up to 60. Have no idea have fast my arrow is going and I truly don’t care. I will say I do use the Magnus stinger 4 blade 125g and have zero desire to change. So sure, do it the way you want, but don’t say it doesn’t matter because that’s nonsense…respectfully…happy hunting!
The great thing about America is we have the freedom to choose how we hunt and what to hunt with. We are each entitled to our own opinions. Thanks for the view, comment and support!
I hope you do change your ways as you say in the beginning of the video.... You are wrong for telling ppl not to shoot through a shoulder... yes a guy using any mechanical like a rage should never shoot a shoulder and to be honest them junky heads should be illegal. I know so many times they bend and don't deploy and etc. If you talk about being ethical you need to take them rage and throw them in the trash...to be ethical you have to sharpen your broadheads none of them are razor sharp out of the pack.
Sharpen them Magnus watch ranch fairy video you can get links to the sharpner and take them hunting and I guarantee you will never look back. For the best grouping and probably the toughest head is a Magnus black hornet ser razor.. it will blow through any shoulder and give the biggest blood trail you have ever seen plus they fly like slick tricks, the black hornets look funny but my god they are incredible. But sharpen them if any hunter doesn't do that they shouldn't hunt period!!!! And look at it this way with a serrated broadhead when was the last time you have had to sharpen a serrated knife compared to a flat edge???? Get a black hornet ser razor and do the same test off camera and test with deer the buzz cut or the ser razor (sharpened) and just wait for the blood trail and watch deer die in 40-60 yards. Also shoot more forward and even aim for the shoulder with them 2 heads and you will make a I was wrong video..
Have fun with your “ranch Fairy” band wagon! We are talking deer!
Boy I sure hope u not shootin at deer at 40yds Jesus Christ
Been shooting at them at 40 yards for almost 27 years! Patience, good shot placement and shot selection!!!! Many a times have had to let deer walk because they didn’t give the broadside shot!
So you're shooting a 70 lb. speed bow with 400 spine arrows your already underspined when screw on broadhead. Telling people what they don't need is pretty close minded. I've been bowhunting a lot of years and remember knocking deer down with heavy aluminum shafts out of a 50 lb Darton. Because heavy arrows absorb all the energy into the arrow which goes through the animal. Momentum kills animals period. I've been on tracking jobs where underspined light arrows hit deer and veered off course in the animal. Not pleasant.
Thanks for the view, comment and support. I too have killed many a deer with an aluminum arrow and a 50lb bow! My point behind the video is “extreme FOC” or “extreme weight” is not needed for Whitetails… Whitetails!