I HATE THE THOUGHT OF SACRIFICING HER BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT MAX GOES TO CHLOES FUNERAL AND CHLOE DIED THINKING MAX NEVER CAME BACK FOR HER EVEN THOUGH SHE DID AND MAX HAS TO DEAL WITH THAT FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE AND I CANT DEAL
It's sad but it was still the right choice. The alternative would be to murder/kill/let die hundreds of people, including relatives and good friends. The alternative would be multiple times more unbearable, if the two of them were marginally sane.
Well if you get the ending youre supposed to get where you end up reversing your decision to save chloe to save the town then max probably never fucks around with her powers again. Scared that some crazy shit might happen where she will have to make a gut wrenching decision to either reverse something she did it suffer with the burden knowing something worse happened. She'd live out the rest of her life letting the world around her play out how its meant to play out
Like Max saved Chloe 1-From Nathan in the bathroom 2-From shooting herself in the junkyard 3-From Frank's knife in the junkyard 4-From the train 5-From the car accident in another reality 6-From Frank's gun near his RV 7-From Jefferson in the junkyard 8-From the tornado when she was in San Francisco And you want me to sacrifice her after i saved her 8 times? Please..
It’s destiny even though she couldn’t save everyone she at least could’ve saved her best friend, I think this was gods way of teaching them a lesson for manipulating time and to teach them that some things are just out of our control and we must learn to come to terms with that.
I guess that the "Sacrifice Chloe" Choice is actually the best one because it will be the most "dramatic" and "hopeful" ending. But like you said the second choice is for people who wants to keep the relation with Chloe and Max...
@@Matheusluiz703 there is no third option, even with the dlc. it's only sacrifice chloe or sacrifice arcadia bay. the only thing that changes even without dlc is that max and chloe kiss when max supported chloe in everything chloe does.
@@RowanArk not if you keep taking the optional photos. She literally has just been drugged for about 18 hours and then drives right into an apocalyptic storm and just goes "picture time" If Chloe hadn't been there when they found her, i imagine max just taking a selfie with Rachel Amber's 6 month old corpse.
Two things: 1.) That Tornado was a good distance away from everyone when they first saw it. Why didn't they just...run? 2.) How the hell did Chloe's truck survive the storm?
I guess w/o those nuisances, there would be no drama... or game. Like that time, when past-marine David couldn't fucking destroy Jefferson (who maybe has some training with guns, I dunno) :)
Elemental Guardian Yh i heard that argument from other comments too. I guess i think so? But then again i have also heard comments of the deer actually being max’s spirit animal so i guess its what your interpretation is
The developers confirmed that the doe is actually Rachel, plus if you look at where the doe originated in episode 2 it originated right over the spot where Rachel is buried. It then bows its head and disappears when Max and Chloe discover Rachel's body. Also in before the storm Rachel kicked over some trash she set on fire and screamed causing winds to generate by her scream and cause the fire to spread very quickly. That makes me believe that the storm is actually Rachel's Revenge like Chloe stated in Episode 5. She would be getting revenge for all the injustices that were done to her and Chloe. Max rewinding time and creating tears in reality by manipulating it was probably the opening that Rachel needed to reach out from Beyond the Grave.
I think the butterfly is also Chloe’s spirit to some extent. Shows up for the first time when Chloe gets shot by Nathan, plus the blue wings and her blue hair. Plus it returns in the ending where Max Sacrifices Chloe.
I have replayed this 5 times, every time telling myself id save Arcadia Bay just to see it once. One thing led to another, and Arcadia Bay has been destroyed 5 times by me.
my logic always is that since chloe is always near death during the game, how often post game will max have to save her? chloe is meant to die. if you sacrifice arcadia bay, in that timeline max will tear herself apart using her power trying to save chloe like what was happening towards the end. i always end up choosing to sacrifice chloe for that reason, even tho i wanna choose this ending just to see it once like you lmao
@@thahoule7924 Not really. The comic series is just licensed fan fiction (The original creators from Dontnod didn't have a hand in it and third parties handled the writing).
@@abnkkbsnplakopodcast7120 So? Dontnod isnt involved anymore. The rights of the franchise lie with the publisher, aka Square Enix, so they decide whats canon and whats not. Thats why BTS and now TC are also canon, even tho they were made by Deck Nine instead of Dontnod. Dontnod doesnt decide whats canon. And since you said it yourself, the comics are officially liscenced BY THE COMPANY THAT DECIDES WHATS CANON.
@@thahoule7924 so basically you're saying that sacrificing chloe is not as much canon as the bae ending? As far as I know, Enix didn't even confirm which of the two endings are canon (Oh and player choice is also one of the core aspect of the games so it should be clear now that there's no definite canon). Also, the games and the comics are separate mediums (I'm saying that BOTH GAME ENDINGS ARE CANON of course). The comics exist for the fans who want to scratch that chloe
I hope the comments section realizes that if any of you saved Kate from suicide, then it was for nothing. Saving Chloe means the whole town dies in the end, including Kate regardless of whether or not you might have saved her from the roof.
Kate isn’t doomed like Chloe because you can actually SAVE her whereas the only options regarding Chloe are either sacrificing her or the town. It's completely valid to want to keep your best friend safe but what's the point in saving an innocent angel from suicide if you're going to kill her along with hundreds of other people in the end?
Word of God is that the number of deaths/who dies is up to the player. It's left intentionally ambiguous, and only like 8 or 9 people are actually seen dead on-screen. I'd like to know where you get that literally every single person in Arcadia Bay was killed. The tornado only did EF3 damage at best - realistically you're looking at between 30 and 40 casualties, maybe? The "Chloe is doomed" thing doesn't hold water either. Michel Koch has clarified that the storm/supernatural stuff stops when you save Chloe; so, what, did fate just give up? And Max had her first vision of the storm before Chloe died, anyway. The entire foundation for that argument comes from Warren's unreliable speculation, as it's never even HINTED that Chloe is 'supposed' to die until episode 5 - which is the weakest episode in terms of writing and consistency.
Man she was in a hospital, with the best level of security for natural disasters (for normal construction). There were survivors but the game doesn’t show any. Wtf put the blanket at the corpse?
Another thing. People argue that there's no right ending because it's based on personal play but if you are playing it through Maxs vision, saving Chloe is the real Max choice. If you think Max would choose to sacrifice Chloe, you didn't read her journals. There are numerous instances where Max said her power was always fate to save Chloe. She references a star trek episode about someone going back in time to sacrifice a lover so Nazis don't win the war. Max asks herself what she would do if she were in that position but follows it up with talking about it being fate that she was in the bathroom with Chloe. Another page, max talks about giving up the zeitgeist gallery trip because a storm is still coming and Chloes life was in danger so she had to get back to her to save her. Not to save Warren. Not to save Joyce. Not Kate, not even Arcadia. Chloe only, like she always has. Another page, she talks about how she doesn't care if the world is ending because it felt so good to hold chloe again. So even at this point where max knew this was really about to be something catastrophic, she was focused on holding Chloe, nothing else around. She says this has to be fate and destiny. So even at this end of the world point, max is still thinking and feeling that her entire purpose has been to save Chloe. Max goes onto talk about how they give each other strength and maybe more. Finally, the last page of the journal talks about how Chloe is more than a best friend and obviously in love with Chloe but both had held back all this time. She journaled that she really knew Chloe was more than a friend when she felt physically sick watching Chloe flirt with and kiss other people in her nightmare and throw insults to her like saying she would never love her as much as Rachel. This was her subconscious and meant to show us how she felt. Even if you try to pursue Warren and don't kiss or flirt with Chloe, her last journal page is still questioning her feelings for Chloe, asking herself if its love or friendship but obviously with this option, her journal is less obvious compared to the one where you romanced Chloe the entire game. But it still shows that regardless of your path, Max questions and internally knows she feels more than friendship for Chloe. Max loved Chloe as did she and Maxs intentions always with her powers had one ultimate purpose at the expense of anyone else and gladly because Max says Chloe is all that matters to her. Which she tells us over and over again in her journals which is a big overlooked item in this game. But her journal and Chloe's journal in Before the Storm paint out things below the surface that we never outright saw or heard in the game. People may say killing loads of people for one doesn't make logical sense. And it doesn't. But Max wouldve picked Chloe undoubtedly, even if the game gives you the other option or we are lead to believe there's no canon ending. But max said all through the game out loud and in paper that Chloe was meant to be with her by her side, no matter what and that they have always been intertwined. Max wouldve saved Chloe, always.
@Adolf Snickers Plus the fact that in Before the Storm, there is an option to stand up for Nathan when he's getting bullied, and seeing that makes it so sad that he ends up killing her...
I pick this ending because it shows that Max isn't an "everyday hero". It gives a new sense of realism to her character. And it shows she's just human. I'm sure anyone would sacrifice for the one they love. It also feels more fitting (at least to me) that none of what you did was pointless, that Max and Chloe's fates were always intertwined. It was meant to be. That's just my opinion though.
but choosing this option literally Makes all your choices pointless bc everyone dies so it doesn't matter if you saved frank or Kate or blamed David or did literally anything else bc everyone dies all so ur choices were for nothing
@@jasminakhavan7437 that's the point of the game. It's to show you that no matter how much power you have, there are some things you can't prevent. The choices you make won't matter. This lesson holds true in real life as well. No matter what, a your life will end the same. In death (that got a little dark but it was to prove a point).
@@jasminakhavan7437 Either way none of your choices "matter". Either everybody in the town dies or Max relives the week again so none of the choices she made would have happened. In fact, your choices matter MORE if you sacrifice the town because there are several people who have to deal with the consequences of your actions as opposed to every single one of them being reversed.
i played it and my boyfriend was just watching, it was like a movie for him. next time he will be playing the game and i will watch. look if he makes different choises
""If somehow the lord gave me a second chance at that moment, I would do it all over again" A quote that came long after, but this is what i thought when i made this choice.
Well.... I'd do it if I just wanna see what consequences would lead to it afterwards afterwards 😅 Just to see tho. If I were a 1st timer playing this game, then obviously even I'd know that sacrificing chloe in the end was the most logical thing but then again, I'm unlikely to do so in real life 😅 (well it's just a game who cares?)
Devashri joshi Its not just a game, it shows us real life lessons to appreciate the friends and family who we have in our lives everyday because they won’t always be there with us and the choices we make.
Replayed this game recently, and I noticed how Dontnod likes to put subtle stuff here and there. Look at Chloe's shirt. There's a picture of a snake biting his own tail. That snake is the Uroboros, which is the symbol of eternal return. It's a symbol which represents time as an evolutive cycle: it begins at a moment, it evolves, and at the end it gets back where it began, except you're back here with all the evolution between the beginning and the end of the cycle. Here's a translated extract of a French article I just read about the Uroboros: "While some may think the Uroboros is a creature, he rather is one of the oldest esoteric symbols of the world, representing a dragon or a snake in a circle biting its own tail. Having had his name from Greek and named "Uroborus" in Latin, he is the symbol of eternal cycle of nature, the symbol of time repeating itself endlessly, without a beginning or an end and visible through the seasons, the day & night cycle, etc... He is the beginning and the end, since even though death and destruction interrupts some people or things' destiny, it is not an end since others will continue or begin their life. He is the hope of a permanent rebirth of the world." (Original source here: www.dol-celeb.com/autres/ouroboros/) I think Chloe wearing an Uroboros symbol isn't pure randomness, Dontnod had something in mind with this.
yeah and the necklace with the three bullets most likely insinuating how max must witness chloe die 3 times, with nathan, with the morphine, and with jefferson and goes back in time to undo it. (technically she saw her almost get killed by the train, but the game stops before her death).
I put myself in max's position and tried to make a choice using my best friend as chloe. If i was in that situation, I don't want everyone except 1 person to die but at the same time, I can't bring myself to killing her.
maybe everyone looked at the weather forecast before the storm and was all like woah man a storms comin, gotta blast, and everyone evacuated just in time and took refuge in some holiday inn the next town over and thats where chloe and max are going to rn and when they get there everyones celebrating them coming back with horchata and joyce is making some waffles and chloes playing with pompidou and kate is singing gospel music while samuels playing the piano and my boy warren and max go smash in some room and the other crazy kids are getting toasted off the ganja courtesy of frankie in celebration of not being dead and the best part is somehow jefferson is dead idk how but he is yay great ending love this game whoopwhoop
+Natalie Sanchez (hhnngg) That's pretty much what I thought. I was honestly thinking "What, no one saw this massive ass whirlwind coming toward the bay?" It's the same thing with ME3's Destroy ending. (if you haven't played ME3 or don't know what happens, I'll have a spoiler, so stop reading). When Star Child says that destroying the Reapers will wipe out the Geth, I just perceived that as a lie. What other way than to try to convince me not to destroy them than to lie in the most plausible kind of way? This game was great, and I'm glad that they left the ending as open as they did.
Helljumper425 same, they should've atleast been able to put two and two together to think oh that weather is not normal we should get out of here for our safety, but all in all an open ending leaves room to the imagination which is totally rad
well. some peopke like warren chloes mother and sone other people still were in Arcadia Bay helping the hurted people. Most likely they didnt got away in time.
Even in that case it's a psychopathic choice. She is choosing to murder/let die/kill hundreds of people, including close relatives and good friends in order to save one good friend. Hence in my view it's not about a superficial "selfishness" or a superficial "pride against destiny", it's simply a horrible choice to let all those people die, and even if they did let that happen, the only way they could live with themselves it would be through very horrible grief and regret unless the two of them were total psychopaths.
+Giovana trevizan Yas!!! definatly that's what I was thinking while I was whaching another persons pov I was like " LET EVERBODY DIE!!! CHLOE IS WORTH IT CUZ SHES 'hella' cool!!!!!!!!! lol
I'll always save Chloe. I spent too much time getting to know her character to kill her off. I'm happy with the ambiguity of this ending. I like to think that most of the townspeople got out, we don't know how much time had passed since Max went into her subconscious, people might have had a chance to escape. The tornado was big but wasn't moving that fast. As for the whole "it's Chloe's fate to die, she would die later on anyway", I like to believe that the storm is the end of it. Death wanted somebody, and if it wasn't going to be Chloe then it'd be someone else. The town is full of scumbags to be fair, and Blackwell is pretty high up from the coast so it would have had plenty of warning. Plenty of buses for an evacuation of Blackwell too. The likes of Kate, Dana and the rest might have been able to escape. And David was still at the barn, which looked like it was a ways out of town. Joyce and Warren and the rest in the diner made a break out the back in Frank's RV (he's alive in my playthrough). Everyone's alive and hey-presto, I've made up my perfect ending by desperately clutching at straws and the game's ambiguity. And Max shouldn't feel guilty. She didn't ask for her power and she didn't know how it would affect reality. Even at the end she's still learning. She gets this thrown at her and its completely unfair but who knows. Maybe life will present her a chance to go back and prevent the entire thing while ensuring that Chloe survives, when she understands her power a little bit better. The point is, Chloe Bae over Arcadia Bay.
Even before the tornado plenty of people had died instead of Chloe. The only one who doesn't die because she's alive is Rachel, the rest of the ones who dies in the game would be alive if Chloe is sacrificed. So the theory regarding "death wanted someone" does not ass up in my opinion, unless he demanded multiple people in return. I think that bad shit would continue for her, destiny would call for her death in one way or another. We see that during the gameplay when Max is forced to save her over and over, I see no reason for it to stop.
Also there's no proof that killing chloe would make the tornado not appear since in the timeline where Jefferson shoots Chloe in the junkyard, while he's putting his 'finishing touches' on Max, outside of the bunker, the storm and subsequent tornado is still happening. So there might not be a guaranteed avoidable natural disaster just by killing Chloe, but by not messing with time in the first place. So by that rule, Max wouldn't have been able to save Kate either from being depressed or even killing herself since the bullying would have likely still hapened, and also maybe not have been able to intevene in other people's lives in a positive way, since by my thought process, to avoid the tornado. she should have never altered time in the bathroom in the first place. TLDNR version: The tornado still happens when Chloe dies in the junkyard. I saved her because it's the right thing to do in more ways than one.
D.Va There have been theories that destiny wants a life (respectively Chloe's) and until she dies, the tornado will always happen. Therefore that argument is void by what i said about mr jefferson shooting her and the storm still happening
This isn’t the most logical choice, but it was the one that I felt like I had to make for Max. Chloe is the only person who could ever understand everything that Max went through. Without Chloe, Max would have to live with this by herself for the rest of her life. In this ending at least they have each other
That's why I prefer the hidden good ending in which you tell everyone about the bunker and to go there in case some big disaster occurs, the city is destroyed but everyone is saved, so is chloe, and they get to live happily forever.
Nick but the storm still happens after Chloe has died (before you save her for the last time). This is when you get the photo from Warren in the diner and Jefferson shot Chloe in the junkyard
If you look at 5:34, you see that the diner seem intact. I, who chose to save Chloe, can't help but think that most of the people inside probably survived. As well, the town is almost empty. That should suggest that plenty of people left, or stayed inside. There probably was quite a few that didn't make it though in the end. The more I analyze both endings I feel like this ending is the best one. The biggest reason for that is that Max, after all, had the vision of the tornado before she saves Chloe in episode. That means somehow that the storm was going to happen anyway, unless of course, correct actions were taken to avoid that. Rationally, it is not logical to think that it is right to avoid prevent a death in order to do that. Also, Max gains her power in exactly the moment she can save Chloe. That should suggest something. Regarding the endings, if you allow the storm to happen, you do shift the fates of everyone from being your responsibility to their owns. Max's actions may be more important than theirs, but the other residents in Arcadia Bay can also act and affect the future. With that said, the selfish Arcadia Bay sacrifice is not as selfish as you might think first. But, then again, if you kill off your best friend and live with it, as the main character that you are, of course it may be better. Max is a person like the rest of us and she has her interests much you who are reading this have yours. I don't regret to sacrificing Arcadia Bay and I do think my reasoning is not completely based around rationalizing saving my best friend over the the lives of many others. Final thought: What if you kill the butterfly? What then?
Don't try to justify your selfish decision, Chloe lives but Arcadia Bay is destroyed (without any living human being except Max and Chloe). This is it.
@Matheus Alves Don't try to justify your decision either, nowhere does it confirm that everyone is dead. There's a lot of buildings still standing which means people might have survived. This is it.
Just now finished the game and chose this ending. My first thought was to save the town because that’s more lives at stake... Then I realized I’ve already tried so hard for so long to keep Chloe alive and wasn’t about to throw her away AGAIN. So I chose this!
I chose the town because I already saved her life like eight times. I think she was destined to die. I like to think after they drove into the sunset A train came out of nowhere and hit the side of Chloe’s car and only she died. 😂
5:36 The diner is mostly intact. I don't get where people are getting this "EVERYONE DIED!!!!!11!!eleven!!!" crap from. The choice was "Sacrifice Arcadia Bay", as in the town, not every single person in it.
Alexoxo___ Yes, I understood that, and I don't think responsibility works that way. I didn't create the storm because I didn't ask for these powers. Especially without the hindsight of knowing exactly how things will turn out, I have no good reason to go back and mess with time even more. Changing things apparently makes things worse, so why would going back magically erase everything? Turns out it did, but that doesn't change the morality of the situation. If someone kidnapped my family and said I either let them die or they'll detonate a bomb downtown, I would save my family without any hesitation, and anyone killed by the bomb would NOT be my responsibility, but the bomber's.
+Sam M. Mate, you must've heard of the Trolley thought experiment? Where the only way to save 5 people is to push 1 person and kill them? This is the same situation. As far as Max didn't know she was causing the storm, as soon as she found out she had the opportunity to reverse it, she had a moral obligation to do so. Lethargy is not justifiable in a position where action is possible, and the cost of the action is far less than the profit. Let me put it this way: Suppose you had your arm cut off in an accident. No-one's responsible, it was a complete accident. Now say I have the opportunity, through magic or whatever, to make your arm grow back by cutting off my little finger. Yes, I've done nothing wrong to deserve losing a finger, but you've done nothing wrong to deserve losing an arm. At a basic standstill position, I have choice A, where I lose my little finger, or choice B, where you lose your arm. It makes no difference that one of the choices is 'do nothing', as I still have to pick one between the two, inaction is not the base human position. Ultimately the moral kindness to do is to keep the overall human suffering as low as possible by removing my finger, the moral unkindness is to put myself first, for my finger has more value to me than your arm does. This is why your 'bomber' theory doesn't work. It assumes there is another who will take responsibility. Not only that, but saving your family wouldn't be the moral thing to do, and you would have an obligation to save as many people as possible without discrimination. Say you have 4 family members, and 40 people will be killed by the bomb. The bomber is responsible for the average of possible deaths. So 4+40=44 44/2=22. The bomber is responsible for the deaths of 22 people. Your responsibility is this: Will you save 18 people? Or kill 18 people? Those are the differences in your choice, so while it is emotionally difficult to overcome, which influences your morals, you still have a moral obligation to stop the bomb at the expense of your family. In this situation, morally, the bomber kills 22, you save 18. In the situation you picked, the bomber kills 22 and you kill the remaining 18. Does this make sense?
"I think I'll miss you more than all of Arcadia Bay combined, Chloe." Just stopping by after playing Farewell to say I'm still super glad I saved Chloe in the original ending.
Sure it is. It would be hard for Joyce to be left by her husband then her daughter. Also Max to carry on with those memories. Damn this game gave me anxiety attack 😂
Don't worry, humans r inherently selfish creatures. There is no moral or right option. Both options r cruel and sad. Choose whichever one you want, it doesn't make u right or wrong it only makes u human.
I worry that this will be a less then happy ending in the long run - Chloe really cared deeply for her parents and I just can't see her being able to let go of Max's desciscion to sacrifice her mother (and everyone else) it would ultimately drive a wedge between them until she wouldn't be able to stand the sight of max and they would go their separate ways. That is unfortunately the nature of selfish choices, they lead down a lonely road with only yourself for company.
One thing I like about this ending is that it shows without telling. Chloe immediately realizes what the decision means to mask, and simply reassures her that she'll always be there for max. As Max and Chloe drive out of Arcadia Bay, you can tell that they blame themselves for what happened just by looking at their faces. It's a rather effective way of driving the point home with barely any dialogue.
But at the same time it ends on a positive note as Max and Chloe smile at each other before leaving town. It's not a bad ending, it's bittersweet. (And by the way, a nice detail that both endings have in common is that Max smiles in both.)
I finished the game recently. I went with this choice, here are my reasons. 1) After all Max went through together with Chloe, I decided to sacrifice everything to let that be. 2) No more time travel. 3) It must feel awful to not share this memory with anyone, that is why I kept Chloe alive. 4) I used these powers to keep Chloe alive and for nothing? No, that storm is the true reality.
In the endings I discovered Max's safety: when she saves Chloe, she breaks the photo showing determination to say: "There is no going back, I will stay with the person I love." So when she sacrifices Chloe, why not do the same with the photo if it was her right choice? Rather, she sits on the ground as if feeling defeated.
I think this just goes to show sacrificing Arcadia is the true ending..... Max isn't completely happy she had to take the bay out but atleast she doesn't look defeated and to me this is definitely the canon ending
@@Requiem254 No, man. I say that the most coherent choice in front of Max is to save to Chloe (less painful, more safety), but saving Arcadia is the most morally correct and makes the most sense in the messages of the game,yes, it is evident that the developers wanted the Bay Ending. However, both options are very cruel, neither is completely moral.
you can see it the other way, se break the photo because if not she will be attempted to go back, to the "rigth thing", she needed a no way back. when her go back she don't need to destroy the photo, her just let go the ideia of saving Chloe, she just let the photo be lost.
Darth Cygnus Yeah. If Chloe was my girlfriend and I loved her that much, I don’t know what I would do without her. Just the thought of killing someone I love over some strangers and some people who’ve hurt me makes my heart ache. Not to say the other choice is bad, it’s just not my cup of tea. Edit: Shit I just realised you posted this 2 years ago, I’m late af
Even after all Chloe said and did, I couldn’t choose to not save her, she’s too precious and adorable at the end of the day. She reminds me of a girl I wished I could date with how she acts and such. I can’t accept the other ending, it’s too heartbreaking
@@TheLemoncakee what man in the other ending there's no glimpse of max's future, in this one we get to see the beginning of max's future it could be said that the other ending is about max learning to accept grief and learn to move on and this ending is about choosing the person you love over a place that's hurt her so much and finding the strength to find a future together letting go vs holding on they both take strength, they both are lessons to be learnt; they made both endings valid but for me personally i couldn't let go of the hand of someone i loved who needed me who's been let down by everyone else
@@monkeetoe1657 Well, that depends on how you feel about Chloe. I find the ending with the destruction of the city more heartwarming. Knowing that Chloe is alive, that she loves Max and comforts her and that they have a canonically good life years later. That's all that matters to me.
Both endings tear through my gut and really hit it home// Regardless, this game is amazing. To be honest I think the ambiguity of this ending both works in its favor, and against. Because nothing really is confirmed you don't really know who lived or who didn't, and there's a feeling of no "closure." However, with this also it's up to your imagination to kind of tell what happens to Max and Chloe and Arcadia Bay. But at least in the end, after all that heartbreak, sorrow, and loss, they will finally be able to be together, and I think that's what matters.
@Ben it's still a friend she didn't call or visit in what was a very difficult time for her 'best' friend. she could've text her and she didn't even bother to.
I agree, but for a different reason. Letting Chloe live or die will not in any logic alter the course of the weather. Logically the storm would’ve happened no matter what I did. Letting Chloe die will not change that. Also, if the people of Arcadia Bay don’t know a storm when they see one, and just stand there and watch, as they are ripped to shreds, they are stupid motherf%%ckers
What's the point of obtaining those powers at the very beginning if outcome (Chloe dying) is going to be the same even if you didn't get them? If you sacrifice Chloe in the end, that means that Max would see people die, get dosed and what not, just for Chloe to die at the end anyway. I'm pretty sure she would have been better of not knowing any of that. Chloe wouldn't have any memories of you except those years of childhood and the fact that you left her. So that's why I say fuck it all. Fuck "Sacrifice Chloe" ending. Bae before bay all the way.
When they drive in the truck she doesn't look very happy imo because she knows everybody died because of her selfish behaviour. Chloe already had mental problems before and now max puts even more burden on her because she refuses chloes request to sacrafice her. And as warren said before in the two whales diner the lifes of many go before the life of a single person (or smth like that) , so I think it would have been the right decision to sacrafice chloe instead of the people in arcadia bay. And I like the ending-song of the sad end ways more :^)
Of course it was how I interpret the endings and for me it looked like she changed her look to a kind of happy face to not worry chloe , if u like the ending or thiknk she looked okay it's fine :)
There are many circumstantials that made me thing that , in my opinion she could have PTSD. To not make anyone mad here , again , that's ofc my own opinion.
Max and Chloe both have that sort of sneaky smile going on. Obviously they're both still rattled, but I don't know that Chloe TRULY wanted Max to sacrifice her. She already had abandonment issues from her father, Rachel and Max. She's not going to suddenly forget all that and get over it. What Chloe said, she said to make Max feel better. Because in that moment Max was more important. She wouldn't be mad at her because she decided NOT to abandon her again. And yeah, Sacrifice Arcadia Bay is selfish. But it's OK for Max to be selfish. She's an 18-year-old girl. Not Superman.
Solo WXB OMG finally someone who played Before the storm before the first game too!! I was in shock when I saw Rachel was ‘missing’ and even more so when I learned that she was killed. And now I have to decide on Chloe’s destiny too?? (I’ve got the game on pause lol) Fuck.... I know it’s “just a game” but damn it’s like they’re my friends if not best friends, I care about them so much...shit man, awesome game tho
+GayLaura The shit I had to go through to save Chloe. I would save her again. I have absolutely no regrets and I'd make this choice again and again and again. There's no good or bad ending here. Just a difficult decision that I'll have to live with, and I'll spend every waking moment of it with her. She is my entire world, without her what else can life take away from me? What else do I have left? Life has taken so much away from me. It's time to take something away from life itself. For the first time in my life this is an actual choice that I can make. Life has fucked us all, but not this time. Today I take back what's mine even if it's for a brief moment.
+zetsumeisama No need for regrets anyway. I'd say everyone in that town with a brain just drove to safety when they saw that shit coming their way. Towns way small. Going the speed limit Id be able to make it out of there..
There is a clear pattern that the universe is trying to get rid of Chloe. That tornado is just another thing that is trying to kill her so that just means that Max will have to keep saving her after the game. The whole game is about learning to let go, with accepting the fact that you can't save William and at the end, Chloe.
@@monkeetoe1657 not necessarily, I’ve been reading the LIS comics based on this ending and there hasn’t been any encounters where Chloe has come close to dying. I think Max has defined destiny or fate after this decision and broken the cycle.
@@monkeetoe1657 that same universe gave Max her power... So... Just saying, the universe was kinda asking for it. If they didn't want Max to use it... Um, WHY GIVE HER THE POWER? To save bae, obviously, #baeoverbay
Chloe : Max...It's time Obstacle song begins Max : Not anymore... Max tears the butterfly photo Chloe : I'll always be with you... Max : Forever... Chloe holds max's hand 💖❤💓💔💕💗
You have to ask yourself one simple question: After you made your choice...who is going to be there to cry with you? The loved one you saved or the strangers that have no idea you saved them? Easy choice...
+maxihzb i would have the strangers crying for me that no idea i saved them sacrificing chloe is doing the right thing cause sacrificing a whole town for just 1 person is being selfish and stupid
Well, basically everyone whom you've interacted with during the game will die when Chloe gets saved (except maybe those who you save during the storm). I mean, you can see the houses getting ripped out from the ground, no one who isn't in a bunker survives that shit.
@Mat Wright Yeah, well place yourself in the shoes of those strangers and having some douche bag kid sacrifice YOU, your family, and everyone else and their families as well, all in order to save their douche-bag friend (that pretty much just uses them)... If there is an after life that everyone ends up to after death... Like a limbo, instead of a hell or heaven, I'd be fucking PISSED. lol. But hey, people will be dumb I guess... So yeah, let's sacrifice you and everyone else, and let some drug abusing whore punk shit-talking judgmental brat (that uses people) live instead... In other words, I'm so glad people like you don't have the same power Max has... Like the ability to time travel, because if so... humanity would be FUCKED, lol!
Save Chloe and know you have someone to tell each other about your memories or go back in time and let her get shot, and only live every day knowing only you got to enjoy all those times because the past Chloe wouldn't have experienced the fun of shooting bottles, sneaking in school, and going on that vacation... Chloe > Bay.
aasimali khan What about Chloe’s parents? Chloe literally watched her mom die while the tornado tore up the town. And both Max and Chloe would live with extreme guilt for the rest of their lives. It wouldn’t be all happy.
@@user-cw6vz4nm8y And if Max sacrifices Chloe, neither of them live at all. Before The Storm hints at Maxine's suicide in the case of Chloe sacrificing herself. Call me old fashioned, but for me loyalty and love to my friends always comes first. I would never willingly erase the best week of me and my friend's life after years of being apart only to have them die by way of some unwilling psychopath in a dank bathroom. And that's exactly what happens to Chloe when you sacrifice her. She dies never knowing Max came back to spent the best time of her life with her. Died never knowing David and William both would have died for her. Died never knowing Rachel never abandoned her. She died angry and scared and confused. And Max? Max knows it. Max has lived the other possibility, and will forever have to live with the fact that she willingly chose not to live it through. She erased it, but not the memory of it. I don't think she'll ever get over that. I wouldn't, and I'm a cold bastard. Remember what Joyce said to Max about William? That his gift to them were the great memories of time he spent with them? Yet look at the state of Chloe... Memories don't heal those kinds of wounds, they keep them alive. Max will never be happy if Chloe dies this way, not to mention that Chloe has a heart of gold deep down and just deserves better.
Butterfly Hakuno theres also a bunch of people that Max and Chloe don’t know in the town that she’d be killing for the sake of saving one person. Maybe the people you mentioned aren’t worth sacrificing Chloe, but there’s the entire town after them who would die through no fault of their own. There’s very obviously one morally right choice, and one emotionally right choice. It wouldn’t be morally right to kill a thousand odd people because of the things some of them have done.
Straight White Male I didn’t say anything to the contrary. In fact, you’re right. But she would still feel guilt if she killed everyone, so neither ending is entirely the right choice/the easier choice to make.
This feels like the right option. Max was always coming back for Chloe, not for Arcadia Bay. What I see is the tornado, which is Rachel's revenge on the town that killed her and never let her leave - and the doe is Rachel's way to guide Max to save her beloved Chloe.
I think it is the right end for certain players, if you focus your game time heavily on max and Chloe interaction and mostly ignore the rest of the cast (which is actually quite easily done) then they will seem like a bunch of random NPC's with no personality who are easily cast aside for your best girl and this final scene makes sense. If you do get to know the rest of the charcters you find they are all their own people with lives and dreams and to snuff all that out at a (fairly unlikely) shot of happiness feels like by far the greater of two evils.
I love this comment thread. Everybody is making a point. And yours is such a strong one. If I could replay this awesome game once again, maybe I could now consider sacrificing arcadia bay and will not feel too bad about it. They both deserve each other
Hearing Obstacles made me cry immediately. I really loved it at the end of the 1st episode and when hearing it at the end of the game u just couldn't...
It's morally the wrong choice to make, that's for sure. But screw it! Screw morals! Screw everything I've accomplished! Screw everything I've fought for! Screw everyone and everything! "You're all that matters to me." This line. This line was what made me choose to save Chloe. I do think Max is deeply in love with her. The kiss if you choose the other choice, the first kiss, the nightmare and many more things... That's not even subtext anymore, that's obvious. Max is in love with Chloe and seriously, just think for one second. I think everyone ever really loved someone, if not in the lover's way, then someone of your family or a pet... If you really love this person, could you sacrifice that person? For people you have not such an emotional bond with? I know I couldn't. Yeah, there are also many of my friends there in the town, but... Yeah, it's selfish and cynical and wrong, I don't say it's an easy choice to make... I just chose like almost everyone would who deeply loves someone, who fought so hard to save this person, who got through hell for this person... Love is selfish. R.I.P. People of Arcadia Bay. It was a really hard choice for me, the hardest I ever made in a game, I've legitely spent 10 minutes thinking it over, but I don't regret it.
+GayLaura You gotta think tho hun. How long would it of taken for those fools in Arcadia bay to just get the fuck out? Small town right? 10 mins you're way out of the way. Knew the storm was coming. I don't regret anything. Saw like 2 bodies in the town. Tough luck. They were the few that either couldn't be bothered or were too stubborn to evacuate.
+GayLaura This ending parallels The Last of Us. Both endings resulted from human nature, and humans are selfish, especially when they love someone. I (and many others) relate so much more to this ending than being a "selfless hero."
+GayLaura See, and that's the message behind this game. The illusion of power and the need to accept your choices and your life. In EVERY instance where Max traded one timeline for another, things got worse. How many times did Chloe have to die before you get the hint that she wasn't supposed to live? Morally wrong? What about David and Joyce and Warren? What about all of those people?
The difference in the tone of the two ending songs is stark. Spanish Sahara is a song about trying to push down the pain forget what happened. It's melancholic with a sense of despair. The line "So I walked into the haze" and "I'm the fury in your head" imply (at least in this context) that it's Chloe speaking. She wants Max to forget the horror and focus solely on the happy moments they had together. Then there's Obstacles which is a song about weathering the storm and being together til the end. This song is about the strength of Max and Chloe's relationship. How, despite what happens to them and Arcadia Bay's destruction they have been and always will be best friends And it also feels like it's being sung from Chloe's perspective, affirming that no matter what Max chooses she'll support her and not blame her for the decision.
First of all, this game broke me. Seriously Iv'e come to realize there's a problem with this ending... The universe is really after Chloe that week. She dies in every alternate reality Max creates. First Nathan, then the train, Frank, car crash, Jefferson, and then the storm... It seems like Final Destination plot, no matter how they try Chloe was destined to die that week and it seems like she will, sooner or later, and it will just become harder and harder for Max to protect her, while sacrificing more lives of others in the process. Someone noted you can see the weather hasn't quite cleared up in this ending after the storm, as opposed to the other one. So sooner or later Max would probably have regretted making this choice and ripping that picture.. Though this is the first choice I made at the time, seemed to me no way Max would go back in time just a second after she realized she just messes shit up more and more, going to what can only be described as Hell and almost dying. Seriously, this game broke me.
I feel the same. Chloe's death is a fixed point in time, as evidenced by Max changing the most significant moment in her life, but that action leading to her slow death thanks to the car accident. Its like The Time Machine, where the main character tries to prevent the death of his beloved, but she dies regardless of what he does until he accepts that its something that can't be changed. I feel this morbid sense that choosing Chloe will just lead to further destruction in the future, and yet another death for Chloe. i did however think that there should have been a third option; for Max to sacrifice herself. It would have been a huge risk, but she could have gone back to the first instance of her power and still prevented further time manipulation, by taking a bullet for Chloe. She would have died in the bathroom, thus being unable to continue the time reversing that lead to the towns destruction., Nathan would have still been arrested for murder, Jefferson would have been apprehended,Rachel's body found and laid to rest with respect, but Chloe would have seen Max die for her and no longer feel like the world was abandoning her, thus affecting her future decisions and maybe leading to her altering her life so none of the risks she took that lead to her deaths would happen. like i said, risky, but would have been poetic and beautiful nonetheless. I liked the finality of the end, because it was unexpected, and quite heroic on Chloe's part, but i felt that it took too much choice out of Max's hands to take either option. the ultimate sacrifice ending would have been a noble route to take.
Correlation is not the same as Causation. What if she goes back, lets Chloe die, and soon after the funeral that damn storm hits and wipes out most of Arcadia Bay anyway? Because it wasn't about saving Chloe. It was about the time travel... which still happened even if you let her die. Because she remembers it all. It all happened. The storm is not meant to kill Chloe. It is meant for Max... and will strike no matter what. So. Is saving Chloe the psychopathic choice? No. There is no proof that saving Chloe caused the storm, just supposition by Max. Save Chloe. At least... you can be sure one other person lives. To sacrifice her without knowing for certain that the storm will not hit? That is the true psychopathic choice.
The writers clearly intended a connection to be made. It is canonically true. Obviously when you are making a choice in this videogame they are clearly implying that your very logic is unsound
No, that wasn't how it worked. Every time Max went back in time, it obviously caused a butterfly affect. every time she re-winded time and it had a major outcome on the future, something crazy would happen. like the beached whales, the dead birds, the eclipse, the double moon, etc. the storm was the outcome of all of that, in the end. going back to the first time she used her rewind and letting chloe die rather than saving her would prevent ALL of that from happening, which is why she chose to do so.
@@moonrisehowler1842 No, that wasn't how it worked. Every time Max went back in time, it obviously caused a butterfly affect. every time she re-winded time and it had a major outcome on the future, something crazy would happen. like the beached whales, the dead birds, the eclipse, the double moon, etc. the storm was the outcome of all of that, in the end. going back to the first time she used her rewind and letting chloe die rather than saving her would prevent ALL of that from happening, which is why she chose to do so.
@@xalarix4294 This is further reinforced by the symbolism of the blue butterfly. It appeared for the first time when it all started, when chloe was shot and appeared for the last time when it ended at chloes funeral. It's hinting that max saving chloe started the whole butterfly effect.
@@yido4279 there are 2 official comic lines which follow this ending here. one is called "Life is Strange: Dust" which has 13 issues and ends on a cliffhanger, and then the sequel comic line to that, which is called "Life is Strange: Partners in Time" which is still on-going. Next issue relases July 7th ;)
Its never an easy decision at the end of episode 5. As much as I wish I can save everyone, but sadly like the reality we live in, fortune doesn't always smile upon us. No matter how many times I replay the story,..... I will always choose to save Chloe in the end. It is not just because she is my best friend. But I strongly believe that Arcadia Bay and its people have had their chances in life, while Chloe's life has been nothing but a spiral downwards ever since her father died in the accident. Almost everyone has let her down in life. I just can't be like everyone else and let her down too.... Chloe deserves better and a second chance in life, despite what destiny has in store for her. I know there are good people too in Arcadia Bay, among the bad seeds but I just can't save everyone. Even Superman can't save everyone. Sometimes.... It is not how many people we can save, but who is worth saving. There is only so limited time, energy and resources. Choosing is never easy. And like what Thanos said: "The hardest choice requires the strongest will". Perhaps by choosing to save a few, it will have greater positive impact to the world as compared to saving everyone, including the rotten eggs. Maybe some might disagree with my view, but then again we all have our own perspective. This might be just a simple game, but it is one that touches my soul. Thumbs up to the developer.
I chose to sacrifice Chloe. But after playing LiS BTS and the bonus "Farewell" episode, I got more glimpse of what Chloe have experienced before this moment. And now I regret the ending I chose. How I wish I could be like Max to rewind time and choose this ending for Chloe instead.
The biggest reason I chose to save Chloe was because as we saw when Max had a conversation with the Max from an alternate timeline at the diner, it made me realize that max is basically creating all these other timelines for a version of hers to live in. My point of view was that I'm not chosing to alter reality, I'm just chosing which reality my Max's gonna live in, so I chose Chloe.
I usually hate bittersweet endings, but for this one, I didn't care for the people of Arcadia Bay nearly as much as i did for Chloe. So despite a whole bunch of people dying, this felt like a pretty happy ending to me.
I saved Chloe because 1 Iove her and 2 it would've all been for nothing. The entire game, the suffering, everything would have been for nothing. For me, I did it for Chloe. God this game got me so bad I cried several times lmao
So..... Max didnt have the idea of going back in time, and warning everyone about the storm days in advance? The hidden SAVE EVERYONE option? DEM PLOTHOLESSSSS
+Bandicoot Haven Do you think anyone would believe a story like that and just evacuate the entire town on the word of a high school student who has no substantial evidence?
Patrick Star I do think that there were survivors. I mean, the diner was pretty obviously intact. Anyone in there could've hid behind the counter and been fine. And David survived, because he was in the storm bunker. To be perfectly honest, this ending is much better. Arcadia Bay was destroyed, but not irreparably, and the bulk of the main characters survived.
destroy a village and hundreds of people, but save your best friend, or let your friend die, but everyone else and the village survives. the choice should be obvious, but the game made everyone so emotionally connected to Chloe that ca. 50% chose to save her. brilliant game.
I told myself, “You have too. This is the right decision, one life isn’t worth thousands.” But then I thought, “what if it was me with my best friend?” I’ve known my best friend for so long, we don’t even remember the very first time we met. We were that young. I then decided that I couldn’t sacrifice Chloe.
you all have a golden hearts my friends , i burned arcadia bay aswell , i won't ever sacrifice chloe ,she and max is my girls and my girls will always be together and alive #bae4ever
I think this is a problem multiple choice games are facing. You play your character a certain way and make decisions with consequences, but the final stage just boils down to picking an ending with none of your choices factoring into the ending. Mass Effect 3 had this problem and so did Life Is Strange. Witcher 3 did it right though, where the ending you get depends on the choices you made in the game.
I disagree. I understand the the previous choices doesn't have a DIRECT imapact on the final choice, but if you play through the story getting to know people, saving and caring for people and also avoiding that people dies, you''ll be either more or less conflicted about which choice to make.
DaBroob Well yeah, I was conflicted with which choice to make but thats not what I'm talking about. You said you disagree with me but you agreed with the point I was making which is that previous choices don't have an impact on the ending or the character you are trying to mould is no longer in your control. I'm not just talking about LIS btw. I used witcher 3 as an example because that game has you make decisions throughout the game that can change the ending. Overall, LIS does a pretty good job with handling with choices except for the ending imo.
Games like Witcher 3 are awesome because they make you work for a good ending and there's a lot of variety in them. Life is Strange has a lot of difficult decisions, but in the end none of them matter because you only choose between two endings. I still like the strong relationships between the characters though
ya but at least I don't have any tears to shed.....one because what u said and two because I lost all of my tears when I watched IHasCupquake sacrifice Chloe...
That really depends on the way you look at it, for me seeing the tornado destroy it all while they are holding on to each other, it really sends a deep emotional message. You just look at it differently
I was actually really dissapointed that there was no third ending. Max could've easily went back in time to the butterfly picture and stopped Nathan. I bet the developers knew this tho, but they didn't want another cliche happy ending
"i am glad youre my partner in crime"
"so long youre my partner in time"
Best quote ever :(
Heart Touching....Dammit
"insert groan here"
😭😭
Okay Roswall
How ironic is it that the Black Room is probably the safest place anyone could be during the storm.
Edit: My bad, guys. I meant the dark room.
Ik i wondered about who anyone didnt wait the storm out there
@@mori5271 only Nathan and Mr Jefferson knew the passcode and David when Max eventually tells him.
I was thinking the same :/
Its called the dark room btw, but true! Sorry to be a grammar nazi.
so glad that david and jefferson lived
The three Bullets worn around Chloe's neck represents the 3 times she was supposed to get shot..
really? that's an amazing easter egg
@@margo-gh7bx Yeah It's Pretty Cool Right
Yeah I just realized it when psycho Jefferson shot her.
@@margo-gh7bx Yeah hope true colors will have these types of easter eggs :D
Ohhhhh
The thing about this ending is that Chloe realizes she is loved, and doesn’t die depressed.
Right
At the cost of everyone
@@arnav.w2672 which is worth it
@@Pk-oi8ky nope
Well I mean...wasn't saving her from getting killed multiple times and still staying with her despite her irresponsible antics enough to show that?
So either way the plant dies :< RIP Plant you were the best character 2015-2015. You will be remembered.
rip plant we tried to save you!
+LonelyMarshmallow The plant's name was Lisa. We should remember her. :(
what plant?
Mikael reyes The one in Max's room, under the window.
+Reverie89 I forgot to water it at one point and it died :(...rip.
I HATE THE THOUGHT OF SACRIFICING HER BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT MAX GOES TO CHLOES FUNERAL AND CHLOE DIED THINKING MAX NEVER CAME BACK FOR HER EVEN THOUGH SHE DID AND MAX HAS TO DEAL WITH THAT FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE AND I CANT DEAL
Also never getting any closure about Rachel or knowing David loved her.
I know,you're best friend dying thinking you abandoned them is just too much for me man. DX
Fuck fuck fuck fuck! I didn't even think of this. Great, now I'm gonna cry again!!
It's sad but it was still the right choice. The alternative would be to murder/kill/let die hundreds of people, including relatives and good friends. The alternative would be multiple times more unbearable, if the two of them were marginally sane.
fuck fuck fuck I didn't even realize that. I'm even more sad ( I just finished the sacrifice ending too emotions are still fresh)
We need "life is strange: after the storm".
Isn't there a comic about that, that shows them like going to Seattle to live with Max's parents or something? OR did I just imagine that.
It's called life is strange dust & it's a comic book that tell us what happend after the storm
Tashara Holmes
But there are 2 different stories about after the storm, based on what you chose.
@@oferkrupka yes, but in the comic it chooses bae over bay.
Well if you get the ending youre supposed to get where you end up reversing your decision to save chloe to save the town then max probably never fucks around with her powers again. Scared that some crazy shit might happen where she will have to make a gut wrenching decision to either reverse something she did it suffer with the burden knowing something worse happened. She'd live out the rest of her life letting the world around her play out how its meant to play out
Like Max saved Chloe
1-From Nathan in the bathroom
2-From shooting herself in the junkyard
3-From Frank's knife in the junkyard
4-From the train
5-From the car accident in another reality
6-From Frank's gun near his RV
7-From Jefferson in the junkyard
8-From the tornado when she was in San Francisco
And you want me to sacrifice her after i saved her 8 times?
Please..
I became so tired of saving her that I sacrificed her at the end :-D
@@Stonka7 xd
@@Stonka7 lolllll
It’s destiny even though she couldn’t save everyone she at least could’ve saved her best friend, I think this was gods way of teaching them a lesson for manipulating time and to teach them that some things are just out of our control and we must learn to come to terms with that.
well the game forced me to save chloe and finally when i had the chance to let her die oh boy i sure did
Six years ago today, Max Caulfield faced an impossible choice.
yes
i think you got something wrong lmao its five years ago
Shalinado :D the game takes place in 2013
Magnus the Red 301st like :P
More like five since it was released in 2015.
HOW ABOUT WE GO BACK IN TIME AND ACTUALLY WARN THEM?
Youre right XD
i thougth the same x')
:3
I know XD
Im going to guess that she probably would kill herself as a result of using so much power.
There are 2 choices. One for the logical. One for the hopeless romantic. There is no right or wrong.
I guess that the "Sacrifice Chloe" Choice is actually the best one because it will be the most "dramatic" and "hopeful" ending. But like you said the second choice is for people who wants to keep the relation with Chloe and Max...
@@Aren_OverHeaven to be fair i chose to sacrifice chloe but i was thinking "More time travel is not probably not gonna solve this"
There is also the third option to save both chloe and Arcadia bay, but it is kind of difficult to get this option.
@@justagirlwithanimephoto4655 You've got to buy the DLC for unlock this option
@@Matheusluiz703 there is no third option, even with the dlc. it's only sacrifice chloe or sacrifice arcadia bay. the only thing that changes even without dlc is that max and chloe kiss when max supported chloe in everything chloe does.
Who else realized that Max’s innocence was completely shattered as the week went on--
Yeah makes you wonder if she ever wanted to use her powers again after that.
And how her love of photography must have been shattered
ulbgfunlo
She realises Mr Jefferson is Mr Jeffersh... crap.
@@RowanArk not if you keep taking the optional photos. She literally has just been drugged for about 18 hours and then drives right into an apocalyptic storm and just goes "picture time" If Chloe hadn't been there when they found her, i imagine max just taking a selfie with Rachel Amber's 6 month old corpse.
I picked the Third Choice.
We all took Arcadia Bay and *PUSHED* it somewhere else.
Easy choice.
Is that a spongebob reference?
Yep
@@Cartman4wesome I remember the episode, it was about some monster, I don't remember what it was, but it big, all wiggley and it ate everything!
It was an Alaskan Bull Worm! It’s *BIG* _Scary_ and Pink!
"That idea might be crazy enough... TO GET US ALL KILLED!!"
Two things:
1.) That Tornado was a good distance away from everyone when they first saw it. Why didn't they just...run?
2.) How the hell did Chloe's truck survive the storm?
@I love Chips Yeah. Lol
If they knew the light house was going to be safe.... Why didn't everyone in town go there...?
I guess w/o those nuisances, there would be no drama... or game.
Like that time, when past-marine David couldn't fucking destroy Jefferson (who maybe has some training with guns, I dunno) :)
Exactly but why didn’t she warn everyone about the tornado that was coming she had every moment too but she Max didn’t say anything
Well David ran out of the town
curious, who thinks the deer is Racheal Amber's Spirit?
Elemental Guardian
Yh i heard that argument from other comments too. I guess i think so? But then again i have also heard comments of the deer actually being max’s spirit animal so i guess its what your interpretation is
No its max
The developers confirmed that the doe is actually Rachel, plus if you look at where the doe originated in episode 2 it originated right over the spot where Rachel is buried. It then bows its head and disappears when Max and Chloe discover Rachel's body. Also in before the storm Rachel kicked over some trash she set on fire and screamed causing winds to generate by her scream and cause the fire to spread very quickly. That makes me believe that the storm is actually Rachel's Revenge like Chloe stated in Episode 5. She would be getting revenge for all the injustices that were done to her and Chloe. Max rewinding time and creating tears in reality by manipulating it was probably the opening that Rachel needed to reach out from Beyond the Grave.
I think the butterfly is also Chloe’s spirit to some extent. Shows up for the first time when Chloe gets shot by Nathan, plus the blue wings and her blue hair. Plus it returns in the ending where Max Sacrifices Chloe.
@@JakeKontou And the crow is William watching over Chloe and Max
I have replayed this 5 times, every time telling myself id save Arcadia Bay just to see it once. One thing led to another, and Arcadia Bay has been destroyed 5 times by me.
This maybe the unlogical option but the best
my logic always is that since chloe is always near death during the game, how often post game will max have to save her? chloe is meant to die. if you sacrifice arcadia bay, in that timeline max will tear herself apart using her power trying to save chloe like what was happening towards the end. i always end up choosing to sacrifice chloe for that reason, even tho i wanna choose this ending just to see it once like you lmao
Same
@@disneyfan3117 Nah, i choose Chloe everytime. I don’t give a fuck.
@@JohnnyRaven69 big mood mate. I ship them too hard to sacrifice Chloe
"You're all that matters to me."
fuck everything, this is so canon to me.
it kinda is, considering theres an official, on-going comic book line for what happens after this ending.
Bro, MAX WANTED TO MAKE THAT CHOICE... in the other path, she regrets all the time and lives feeling responsible for Chloe's death:'(
@@thahoule7924 Not really. The comic series is just licensed fan fiction (The original creators from Dontnod didn't have a hand in it and third parties handled the writing).
@@abnkkbsnplakopodcast7120 So? Dontnod isnt involved anymore. The rights of the franchise lie with the publisher, aka Square Enix, so they decide whats canon and whats not. Thats why BTS and now TC are also canon, even tho they were made by Deck Nine instead of Dontnod. Dontnod doesnt decide whats canon. And since you said it yourself, the comics are officially liscenced BY THE COMPANY THAT DECIDES WHATS CANON.
@@thahoule7924 so basically you're saying that sacrificing chloe is not as much canon as the bae ending? As far as I know, Enix didn't even confirm which of the two endings are canon (Oh and player choice is also one of the core aspect of the games so it should be clear now that there's no definite canon). Also, the games and the comics are separate mediums (I'm saying that BOTH GAME ENDINGS ARE CANON of course). The comics exist for the fans who want to scratch that chloe
The deer came back to inspect the destruction....
... that they caused. The deer caused the tornado
That doe was actually Rachel...
Tornadoe
You can even see the bit of deer propaganda at the end (probably one that wanted to run for president)
i think the deer was Rachel
Marksmithwas12 its a doe
I hope the comments section realizes that if any of you saved Kate from suicide, then it was for nothing. Saving Chloe means the whole town dies in the end, including Kate regardless of whether or not you might have saved her from the roof.
Kate isn’t doomed like Chloe because you can actually SAVE her whereas the only options regarding Chloe are either sacrificing her or the town. It's completely valid to want to keep your best friend safe but what's the point in saving an innocent angel from suicide if you're going to kill her along with hundreds of other people in the end?
Word of God is that the number of deaths/who dies is up to the player. It's left intentionally ambiguous, and only like 8 or 9 people are actually seen dead on-screen. I'd like to know where you get that literally every single person in Arcadia Bay was killed. The tornado only did EF3 damage at best - realistically you're looking at between 30 and 40 casualties, maybe?
The "Chloe is doomed" thing doesn't hold water either. Michel Koch has clarified that the storm/supernatural stuff stops when you save Chloe; so, what, did fate just give up? And Max had her first vision of the storm before Chloe died, anyway. The entire foundation for that argument comes from Warren's unreliable speculation, as it's never even HINTED that Chloe is 'supposed' to die until episode 5 - which is the weakest episode in terms of writing and consistency.
what if they all just evacuated? it's basically a different timeline.
yea i'd believe that
Man she was in a hospital, with the best level of security for natural disasters (for normal construction). There were survivors but the game doesn’t show any. Wtf put the blanket at the corpse?
Well, Kate jumped to her death in my game, so I didn't have that problem.
Another thing. People argue that there's no right ending because it's based on personal play but if you are playing it through Maxs vision, saving Chloe is the real Max choice. If you think Max would choose to sacrifice Chloe, you didn't read her journals. There are numerous instances where Max said her power was always fate to save Chloe. She references a star trek episode about someone going back in time to sacrifice a lover so Nazis don't win the war. Max asks herself what she would do if she were in that position but follows it up with talking about it being fate that she was in the bathroom with Chloe.
Another page, max talks about giving up the zeitgeist gallery trip because a storm is still coming and Chloes life was in danger so she had to get back to her to save her. Not to save Warren. Not to save Joyce. Not Kate, not even Arcadia. Chloe only, like she always has.
Another page, she talks about how she doesn't care if the world is ending because it felt so good to hold chloe again. So even at this point where max knew this was really about to be something catastrophic, she was focused on holding Chloe, nothing else around. She says this has to be fate and destiny. So even at this end of the world point, max is still thinking and feeling that her entire purpose has been to save Chloe. Max goes onto talk about how they give each other strength and maybe more.
Finally, the last page of the journal talks about how Chloe is more than a best friend and obviously in love with Chloe but both had held back all this time. She journaled that she really knew Chloe was more than a friend when she felt physically sick watching Chloe flirt with and kiss other people in her nightmare and throw insults to her like saying she would never love her as much as Rachel. This was her subconscious and meant to show us how she felt. Even if you try to pursue Warren and don't kiss or flirt with Chloe, her last journal page is still questioning her feelings for Chloe, asking herself if its love or friendship but obviously with this option, her journal is less obvious compared to the one where you romanced Chloe the entire game. But it still shows that regardless of your path, Max questions and internally knows she feels more than friendship for Chloe.
Max loved Chloe as did she and Maxs intentions always with her powers had one ultimate purpose at the expense of anyone else and gladly because Max says Chloe is all that matters to her. Which she tells us over and over again in her journals which is a big overlooked item in this game. But her journal and Chloe's journal in Before the Storm paint out things below the surface that we never outright saw or heard in the game.
People may say killing loads of people for one doesn't make logical sense. And it doesn't. But Max wouldve picked Chloe undoubtedly, even if the game gives you the other option or we are lead to believe there's no canon ending. But max said all through the game out loud and in paper that Chloe was meant to be with her by her side, no matter what and that they have always been intertwined.
Max wouldve saved Chloe, always.
This max quote: "I'll always have your back, chloe. Always." Supports it too
@@asafsh8366 Yep, thats just icing on the cake!
YES
@@yeet_skeet8715 glad you agree :)
I'm glad to see I'm not alone with thinking that Max values Chloe over everything and everyone
"I'll always be with you. Forever..."
"Oh look it's a huge storm. Should we evacuate?" "Naah we'll be safe"
After beating Before The Storm, I appreciate this ending even more.
because it makes you like chloe?
Thats y I'm here. I finished Before The Storm yesterday and fuck now I'm even more conflicted
@Adolf Snickers Plus the fact that in Before the Storm, there is an option to stand up for Nathan when he's getting bullied, and seeing that makes it so sad that he ends up killing her...
Same
I started with BTS and already decided to save Chloe
i was too emotionally attached to chloe to let her go. even if it meant the town was destroyed
Is- IS THIS GRASS?!?
@@3xpiredm1lk YES
GRASS ?
YOU BEEN TOKING UP AGAIN?!
That’s weird cause I’m ready to let her go
Max knew the light tower spot was safe but she only brought Chloe with her?
RIp Joyce and her eggs and bacy ;-;
Lol rip to the pigs that died just to be sucked out of the pan
Yeah,she could have saved Joyce,Warren,Frank and others. I am sure they would have listened to them especially thrice of them.
Max texted Warren to tell others to evacuate but the messages failed to send ;-;
@@lcstls97 That part hit me hard.
@@lcstls97 how do you know?
I pick this ending because it shows that Max isn't an "everyday hero". It gives a new sense of realism to her character. And it shows she's just human. I'm sure anyone would sacrifice for the one they love. It also feels more fitting (at least to me) that none of what you did was pointless, that Max and Chloe's fates were always intertwined. It was meant to be. That's just my opinion though.
but choosing this option literally Makes all your choices pointless bc everyone dies so it doesn't matter if you saved frank or Kate or blamed David or did literally anything else bc everyone dies all so ur choices were for nothing
@@jasminakhavan7437 that's the point of the game. It's to show you that no matter how much power you have, there are some things you can't prevent. The choices you make won't matter. This lesson holds true in real life as well. No matter what, a your life will end the same. In death (that got a little dark but it was to prove a point).
why everyone thinks arcadia is just full of strangers?
There are warren, kate, parents of both chloe AND max!
Do you still feel the same after playing Before the Storm? Any affection i had for Chloe (not much to begin with) vanished after doing so.
@@jasminakhavan7437 Either way none of your choices "matter". Either everybody in the town dies or Max relives the week again so none of the choices she made would have happened. In fact, your choices matter MORE if you sacrifice the town because there are several people who have to deal with the consequences of your actions as opposed to every single one of them being reversed.
i would so watch this if it was a movie
i played it and my boyfriend was just watching, it was like a movie for him. next time he will be playing the game and i will watch. look if he makes different choises
I think it's being made into a series
And if it was like real life I'd probably ball my eyes out
There is a masterpiece called "Butterfly Effect"
Seriously watch it if you didn't already!!!
""If somehow the lord gave me a second chance at that moment, I would do it all over again"
A quote that came long after, but this is what i thought when i made this choice.
Joel 😢
oh god. oh lord.
*Presses sacrifice Arcadia Bay in under a second*
you made the right choice
😂😂😂
Same, Chloe is special to Max. I would never sacrifice her.
Well.... I'd do it if I just wanna see what consequences would lead to it afterwards afterwards 😅 Just to see tho. If I were a 1st timer playing this game, then obviously even I'd know that sacrificing chloe in the end was the most logical thing but then again, I'm unlikely to do so in real life 😅 (well it's just a game who cares?)
Devashri joshi Its not just a game, it shows us real life lessons to appreciate the friends and family who we have in our lives everyday because they won’t always be there with us and the choices we make.
Replayed this game recently, and I noticed how Dontnod likes to put subtle stuff here and there.
Look at Chloe's shirt. There's a picture of a snake biting his own tail. That snake is the Uroboros, which is the symbol of eternal return.
It's a symbol which represents time as an evolutive cycle: it begins at a moment, it evolves, and at the end it gets back where it began, except you're back here with all the evolution between the beginning and the end of the cycle.
Here's a translated extract of a French article I just read about the Uroboros:
"While some may think the Uroboros is a creature, he rather is one of the oldest esoteric symbols of the world, representing a dragon or a snake in a circle biting its own tail. Having had his name from Greek and named "Uroborus" in Latin, he is the symbol of eternal cycle of nature, the symbol of time repeating itself endlessly, without a beginning or an end and visible through the seasons, the day & night cycle, etc... He is the beginning and the end, since even though death and destruction interrupts some people or things' destiny, it is not an end since others will continue or begin their life. He is the hope of a permanent rebirth of the world."
(Original source here: www.dol-celeb.com/autres/ouroboros/)
I think Chloe wearing an Uroboros symbol isn't pure randomness, Dontnod had something in mind with this.
I know I'm late but this comment is a jewel.
yeah and the necklace with the three bullets most likely insinuating how max must witness chloe die 3 times, with nathan, with the morphine, and with jefferson and goes back in time to undo it. (technically she saw her almost get killed by the train, but the game stops before her death).
So... Somewhat unrelated... but Loki on Disney + came out this year.(2021) What if Chloe is a Loki Variant? lol
@@brinda2553 or maybe she was shot in three different variations;
1.) by nathan
2.) by herself
3.) by jefferson
@@znoxr OHHH ur so right, this makes a ton more sense
I DONT CARE IF THIS IS THE WRONG ENDING
I DONT CARE IF ITS SELFISH ANYMORE
I DONT CARE IF CHLOE DESERVED TO DIE
I WILL NEVER SACRIFICE HER
NEVER
Preach, agree, same, CHLOE PRICE FOREVER
I will never sacrifice Chloe too! Fuch Arcadia Bay
I put myself in max's position and tried to make a choice using my best friend as chloe. If i was in that situation, I don't want everyone except 1 person to die but at the same time, I can't bring myself to killing her.
yes, I feel like you dont have the right to decide to let all those people die, sometimes you just cant be selfish
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We played Hide and Seek in waterfall.
We were younger
We were younger
*I just love this line*
Oh I thought it was “we were young dumb”
@@espoirr9280 Serious or is it a joke?😂
Aryan YT figure it out
@@espoirr9280 Maybe serious?
maybe everyone looked at the weather forecast before the storm and was all like woah man a storms comin, gotta blast, and everyone evacuated just in time and took refuge in some holiday inn the next town over and thats where chloe and max are going to rn and when they get there everyones celebrating them coming back with horchata and joyce is making some waffles and chloes playing with pompidou and kate is singing gospel music while samuels playing the piano and my boy warren and max go smash in some room and the other crazy kids are getting toasted off the ganja courtesy of frankie in celebration of not being dead and the best part is somehow jefferson is dead idk how but he is yay great ending love this game whoopwhoop
+Natalie Sanchez (hhnngg) gr8 idea m8! i r8 8/8
+Natalie Sanchez (hhnngg) That's pretty much what I thought. I was honestly thinking "What, no one saw this massive ass whirlwind coming toward the bay?" It's the same thing with ME3's Destroy ending. (if you haven't played ME3 or don't know what happens, I'll have a spoiler, so stop reading). When Star Child says that destroying the Reapers will wipe out the Geth, I just perceived that as a lie. What other way than to try to convince me not to destroy them than to lie in the most plausible kind of way? This game was great, and I'm glad that they left the ending as open as they did.
Helljumper425 same, they should've atleast been able to put two and two together to think oh that weather is not normal we should get out of here for our safety, but all in all an open ending leaves room to the imagination which is totally rad
well. some peopke like warren chloes mother and sone other people still were in Arcadia Bay helping the hurted people. Most likely they didnt got away in time.
aw smh
5:31 "DI E"
How did I just notice that.
OMG
It also says that when you're going through the town as the storm is happening!
The sign actually says "W DI E" as in "we die" (yes i know i'm captain obvious) when you walk through the town
It’s saying “whale die”
It has been there since the storm scene
This ending was about more than "selfishly choosing Chloe over the town". It was about telling Destiny that I'm not its bitch
Amen. It would also be such a bummer if the tornado were coming no matter Chloe lives or dies. This end would proove the dangers of such thoughts.
True.
Yup, and if you really love one person, you'll do anything just to be with her even if you have to change fate and destiny.
Best comment ever. Fuck destiny indeed.
Even in that case it's a psychopathic choice. She is choosing to murder/let die/kill hundreds of people, including close relatives and good friends in order to save one good friend. Hence in my view it's not about a superficial "selfishness" or a superficial "pride against destiny", it's simply a horrible choice to let all those people die, and even if they did let that happen, the only way they could live with themselves it would be through very horrible grief and regret unless the two of them were total psychopaths.
Definitely one of the greatest stories in games.
This is my favorite game of all time.
@@rydogjkjr3325 same
@@rydogjkjr3325 same
Lol no
@@rydogjkjr3325 same
Forget Arcadia Bay, Chloe Bae is for life.
+Batman yes
+Batman But what about The Warren Romance... I thought atleast he would survive! :(
+Deatroyer51 Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. you have not need a game to let imagination and creativity say he didnt
I KNOW RIGHT... LIKE... FUCK EVERYONE... CHLOE MUST LIVE... AGGGH
+Giovana trevizan Yas!!! definatly that's what I was thinking while I was whaching another persons pov I was like " LET EVERBODY DIE!!! CHLOE IS WORTH IT CUZ SHES 'hella' cool!!!!!!!!! lol
I'll always save Chloe. I spent too much time getting to know her character to kill her off. I'm happy with the ambiguity of this ending. I like to think that most of the townspeople got out, we don't know how much time had passed since Max went into her subconscious, people might have had a chance to escape. The tornado was big but wasn't moving that fast. As for the whole "it's Chloe's fate to die, she would die later on anyway", I like to believe that the storm is the end of it. Death wanted somebody, and if it wasn't going to be Chloe then it'd be someone else. The town is full of scumbags to be fair, and Blackwell is pretty high up from the coast so it would have had plenty of warning. Plenty of buses for an evacuation of Blackwell too. The likes of Kate, Dana and the rest might have been able to escape. And David was still at the barn, which looked like it was a ways out of town. Joyce and Warren and the rest in the diner made a break out the back in Frank's RV (he's alive in my playthrough).
Everyone's alive and hey-presto, I've made up my perfect ending by desperately clutching at straws and the game's ambiguity. And Max shouldn't feel guilty. She didn't ask for her power and she didn't know how it would affect reality. Even at the end she's still learning. She gets this thrown at her and its completely unfair but who knows. Maybe life will present her a chance to go back and prevent the entire thing while ensuring that Chloe survives, when she understands her power a little bit better.
The point is, Chloe Bae over Arcadia Bay.
Even before the tornado plenty of people had died instead of Chloe. The only one who doesn't die because she's alive is Rachel, the rest of the ones who dies in the game would be alive if Chloe is sacrificed. So the theory regarding "death wanted someone" does not ass up in my opinion, unless he demanded multiple people in return. I think that bad shit would continue for her, destiny would call for her death in one way or another. We see that during the gameplay when Max is forced to save her over and over, I see no reason for it to stop.
no there is because she is your best friend but everyone looks in different ways
Also there's no proof that killing chloe would make the tornado not appear since in the timeline where Jefferson shoots Chloe in the junkyard, while he's putting his 'finishing touches' on Max, outside of the bunker, the storm and subsequent tornado is still happening. So there might not be a guaranteed avoidable natural disaster just by killing Chloe, but by not messing with time in the first place. So by that rule, Max wouldn't have been able to save Kate either from being depressed or even killing herself since the bullying would have likely still hapened, and also maybe not have been able to intevene in other people's lives in a positive way, since by my thought process, to avoid the tornado. she should have never altered time in the bathroom in the first place.
TLDNR version: The tornado still happens when Chloe dies in the junkyard. I saved her because it's the right thing to do in more ways than one.
+Robert Petrea The reason the tornado happens is because you fucked with time, not because you saved Chloe
D.Va There have been theories that destiny wants a life (respectively Chloe's) and until she dies, the tornado will always happen. Therefore that argument is void by what i said about mr jefferson shooting her and the storm still happening
Arcadia bay or Arcadia bae?
Arcadia bae
+Goddessgirl _04 Arcadia bay but lol!
Know what?
Nevermind.
Okay.
This isn’t the most logical choice, but it was the one that I felt like I had to make for Max. Chloe is the only person who could ever understand everything that Max went through. Without Chloe, Max would have to live with this by herself for the rest of her life. In this ending at least they have each other
Yup not like the storm was gonna wipe out a city or whole world just Arcadia bay
Not to mention out of all the people who die in this ending, Kate Marsh is the only one whose death I actually regret!
@@ladyalicent705 That's actually very sad since even if saved from the roof, knowing that she'll still die during the storm is actually heartbreaking😪
Both ending make me want to fall over and sob my eyes out
The sacrifice cloie ending had me depressed for like 5 months
been there done that
What do you mean I am sobbing
That's why I prefer the hidden good ending in which you tell everyone about the bunker and to go there in case some big disaster occurs, the city is destroyed but everyone is saved, so is chloe, and they get to live happily forever.
But If You Let Her Die Its Better And Even Max Gets It And Is as "ok" as She can get
Why didn’t Max just press the fire alarm WITHOUT her powers? Chloe would’ve been saved and so would the town.
Yeah that makes sense but after that she couldn’t save her from the train so she would die anyways
Chloe would probably die anyway. Throughout the game there were hints she´s maybe destined to die. But your point is a good one.
My nigga😎😎😎
Nick but the storm still happens after Chloe has died (before you save her for the last time). This is when you get the photo from Warren in the diner and Jefferson shot Chloe in the junkyard
Chloe has to die for the storm to not happen
If you look at 5:34, you see that the diner seem intact. I, who chose to save Chloe, can't help but think that most of the people inside probably survived. As well, the town is almost empty. That should suggest that plenty of people left, or stayed inside. There probably was quite a few that didn't make it though in the end.
The more I analyze both endings I feel like this ending is the best one. The biggest reason for that is that Max, after all, had the vision of the tornado before she saves Chloe in episode. That means somehow that the storm was going to happen anyway, unless of course, correct actions were taken to avoid that. Rationally, it is not logical to think that it is right to avoid prevent a death in order to do that. Also, Max gains her power in exactly the moment she can save Chloe. That should suggest something.
Regarding the endings, if you allow the storm to happen, you do shift the fates of everyone from being your responsibility to their owns. Max's actions may be more important than theirs, but the other residents in Arcadia Bay can also act and affect the future. With that said, the selfish Arcadia Bay sacrifice is not as selfish as you might think first. But, then again, if you kill off your best friend and live with it, as the main character that you are, of course it may be better. Max is a person like the rest of us and she has her interests much you who are reading this have yours.
I don't regret to sacrificing Arcadia Bay and I do think my reasoning is not completely based around rationalizing saving my best friend over the the lives of many others.
Final thought: What if you kill the butterfly? What then?
You put that beautifully. It really killed me choosing to sacrifice Chloe.
Don't try to justify your selfish decision, Chloe lives but Arcadia Bay is destroyed (without any living human being except Max and Chloe). This is it.
@@Matheusluiz703 hopefully that is what sacrificing Arcadia bay means. It is very depressing to see Max loosing her best friend.
@Matheus Alves Don't try to justify your decision either, nowhere does it confirm that everyone is dead. There's a lot of buildings still standing which means people might have survived. This is it.
@@Matheusluiz703
There are things called Bunkers you know.
Just now finished the game and chose this ending.
My first thought was to save the town because that’s more lives at stake...
Then I realized I’ve already tried so hard for so long to keep Chloe alive and wasn’t about to throw her away AGAIN.
So I chose this!
I chose the town because I already saved her life like eight times. I think she was destined to die. I like to think after they drove into the sunset A train came out of nowhere and hit the side of Chloe’s car and only she died. 😂
@@Bonbonbon739 🤣 💀
@@Bonbonbon739:’ D lol ! 🤣😂🤣
Save Chloe or Save Arcadia Bay... I can't decide... I CAN'T DECI-
*Saves Chloe without a moments hesitation
A-freaking-men.
Hahahahahaha
Lol
Brendan Murphy that’s exactly what I did loool
I actually hesitated for a few seconds.
Achievement Unlocked: Genocide
i dont think you understand what genocide means
@@Griswo35 He meant Massacre
5:36 The diner is mostly intact. I don't get where people are getting this "EVERYONE DIED!!!!!11!!eleven!!!" crap from. The choice was "Sacrifice Arcadia Bay", as in the town, not every single person in it.
Still you killed a LOT of people.
Alexoxo___ I didn't kill anyone. Whatever unknown entity gave Max rewind powers did.
i meant to say you kill a lot of people when you make that decision.
Alexoxo___ Yes, I understood that, and I don't think responsibility works that way. I didn't create the storm because I didn't ask for these powers. Especially without the hindsight of knowing exactly how things will turn out, I have no good reason to go back and mess with time even more. Changing things apparently makes things worse, so why would going back magically erase everything? Turns out it did, but that doesn't change the morality of the situation.
If someone kidnapped my family and said I either let them die or they'll detonate a bomb downtown, I would save my family without any hesitation, and anyone killed by the bomb would NOT be my responsibility, but the bomber's.
+Sam M. Mate, you must've heard of the Trolley thought experiment? Where the only way to save 5 people is to push 1 person and kill them? This is the same situation. As far as Max didn't know she was causing the storm, as soon as she found out she had the opportunity to reverse it, she had a moral obligation to do so. Lethargy is not justifiable in a position where action is possible, and the cost of the action is far less than the profit.
Let me put it this way: Suppose you had your arm cut off in an accident. No-one's responsible, it was a complete accident. Now say I have the opportunity, through magic or whatever, to make your arm grow back by cutting off my little finger. Yes, I've done nothing wrong to deserve losing a finger, but you've done nothing wrong to deserve losing an arm. At a basic standstill position, I have choice A, where I lose my little finger, or choice B, where you lose your arm. It makes no difference that one of the choices is 'do nothing', as I still have to pick one between the two, inaction is not the base human position. Ultimately the moral kindness to do is to keep the overall human suffering as low as possible by removing my finger, the moral unkindness is to put myself first, for my finger has more value to me than your arm does.
This is why your 'bomber' theory doesn't work. It assumes there is another who will take responsibility. Not only that, but saving your family wouldn't be the moral thing to do, and you would have an obligation to save as many people as possible without discrimination. Say you have 4 family members, and 40 people will be killed by the bomb. The bomber is responsible for the average of possible deaths. So 4+40=44 44/2=22. The bomber is responsible for the deaths of 22 people. Your responsibility is this: Will you save 18 people? Or kill 18 people? Those are the differences in your choice, so while it is emotionally difficult to overcome, which influences your morals, you still have a moral obligation to stop the bomb at the expense of your family. In this situation, morally, the bomber kills 22, you save 18. In the situation you picked, the bomber kills 22 and you kill the remaining 18.
Does this make sense?
(save chloe)
(save arcadia bay )
EA : both save ( $35 )
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Damn man my balance is now -$35
Sadly I would totally buy.
Lol that was a good one.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
"I think I'll miss you more than all of Arcadia Bay combined, Chloe." Just stopping by after playing Farewell to say I'm still super glad I saved Chloe in the original ending.
Omg is this an actual quote from Farewell?
@@TGranger17 Yep.
Ik there isn’t a “good” ending, but this is the one I’ld choose. Ik it’s selfish but I could never give up Chloe.
Sure it is. It would be hard for Joyce to be left by her husband then her daughter. Also Max to carry on with those memories. Damn this game gave me anxiety attack 😂
Don't worry, humans r inherently selfish creatures. There is no moral or right option. Both options r cruel and sad. Choose whichever one you want, it doesn't make u right or wrong it only makes u human.
I worry that this will be a less then happy ending in the long run - Chloe really cared deeply for her parents and I just can't see her being able to let go of Max's desciscion to sacrifice her mother (and everyone else) it would ultimately drive a wedge between them until she wouldn't be able to stand the sight of max and they would go their separate ways.
That is unfortunately the nature of selfish choices, they lead down a lonely road with only yourself for company.
This is so selfish
@@pranitp.29 thanks for pointing out the obvious
I don't think I could sacrifice Chloe even if my life depended on it.
yess
Shelby S what if everyone else's lives did?
One thing I like about this ending is that it shows without telling. Chloe immediately realizes what the decision means to mask, and simply reassures her that she'll always be there for max. As Max and Chloe drive out of Arcadia Bay, you can tell that they blame themselves for what happened just by looking at their faces. It's a rather effective way of driving the point home with barely any dialogue.
But at the same time it ends on a positive note as Max and Chloe smile at each other before leaving town. It's not a bad ending, it's bittersweet.
(And by the way, a nice detail that both endings have in common is that Max smiles in both.)
I finished the game recently. I went with this choice, here are my reasons.
1) After all Max went through together with Chloe, I decided to sacrifice everything to let that be.
2) No more time travel.
3) It must feel awful to not share this memory with anyone, that is why I kept Chloe alive.
4) I used these powers to keep Chloe alive and for nothing? No, that storm is the true reality.
In the endings I discovered Max's safety: when she saves Chloe, she breaks the photo showing determination to say: "There is no going back, I will stay with the person I love." So when she sacrifices Chloe, why not do the same with the photo if it was her right choice? Rather, she sits on the ground as if feeling defeated.
I think this just goes to show sacrificing Arcadia is the true ending..... Max isn't completely happy she had to take the bay out but atleast she doesn't look defeated and to me this is definitely the canon ending
Max saving Chloe definitely feels Canon, but not as morally right, I suppose lol
@@Requiem254 No, man. I say that the most coherent choice in front of Max is to save to Chloe (less painful, more safety), but saving Arcadia is the most morally correct and makes the most sense in the messages of the game,yes, it is evident that the developers wanted the Bay Ending. However, both options are very cruel, neither is completely moral.
you can see it the other way, se break the photo because if not she will be attempted to go back, to the "rigth thing", she needed a no way back.
when her go back she don't need to destroy the photo, her just let go the ideia of saving Chloe, she just let the photo be lost.
@@frankgg624 who cares what the developers think ?
Finally someone who don't flag this as a "bad ending"! I made the same decision with no regrets.
Darth Cygnus Same!
No, it's a bad ending.
Darth Cygnus good on u dud
Darth Cygnus Yeah. If Chloe was my girlfriend and I loved her that much, I don’t know what I would do without her. Just the thought of killing someone I love over some strangers and some people who’ve hurt me makes my heart ache. Not to say the other choice is bad, it’s just not my cup of tea.
Edit: Shit I just realised you posted this 2 years ago, I’m late af
Darth Cygnus The storm is rachel s revenge.
Even after all Chloe said and did, I couldn’t choose to not save her, she’s too precious and adorable at the end of the day. She reminds me of a girl I wished I could date with how she acts and such. I can’t accept the other ending, it’s too heartbreaking
In my personal opinion, the other ending is a lot more heartwarming than destroying an entire town and driving past all the bodies afterwards
@@monkeetoe1657
Yeah it lowkey ruins the purpose of the game you’re not supposed to hold onto the past
@@TheLemoncakee Agree, but is a hard choice, max and chloe have a good storyline
@@TheLemoncakee what man in the other ending there's no glimpse of max's future, in this one we get to see the beginning of max's future
it could be said that the other ending is about max learning to accept grief and learn to move on
and this ending is about choosing the person you love over a place that's hurt her so much and finding the strength to find a future together
letting go vs holding on
they both take strength, they both are lessons to be learnt; they made both endings valid
but for me personally i couldn't let go of the hand of someone i loved who needed me who's been let down by everyone else
@@monkeetoe1657 Well, that depends on how you feel about Chloe. I find the ending with the destruction of the city more heartwarming. Knowing that Chloe is alive, that she loves Max and comforts her and that they have a canonically good life years later. That's all that matters to me.
Both endings tear through my gut and really hit it home// Regardless, this game is amazing. To be honest I think the ambiguity of this ending both works in its favor, and against. Because nothing really is confirmed you don't really know who lived or who didn't, and there's a feeling of no "closure." However, with this also it's up to your imagination to kind of tell what happens to Max and Chloe and Arcadia Bay. But at least in the end, after all that heartbreak, sorrow, and loss, they will finally be able to be together, and I think that's what matters.
+xysllekscjason
Well, you know for sure that everybody in the Two Whales Diner died if you chose that ending.
CheekiiChaps Jr. how so?
xysllekscjason
Because the Diner explodes.
CheekiiChaps Jr. Ah, right. Perhaps it's different in this reality though.
+xysllekscjason no its no its multiple reality es
Bae over Bay anyday
HELL YEAH
Yep
Nick Hoover lol its true
Nope. It´s wrong, unfair and selfish. Sorry, guys. :D
Wrong
And after 8 years, finally we will see the “life is strange after the storm”
When I got to this I’m like “fuck Arcadia bay”
lmao same
hahaha same like me...i said fuk you town
All of you may die but it's a price I am willing to accept
same here ,fuck the town
For me,it was the fastest choice i got in whole game 😂😂😂
After playing before the storm its safe to say I would definitely save Chloe no matter what no.....selfish of me yes......but I just can't let go
I couldn't do that personally, all the babies and children robbed of a future for some romance is dumb.
@Ben it's still a friend she didn't call or visit in what was a very difficult time for her 'best' friend. she could've text her and she didn't even bother to.
AND IT still doesn't justify killing all the babies, children, innocent lives, kate etc. for one person.
I agree, but for a different reason. Letting Chloe live or die will not in any logic alter the course of the weather. Logically the storm would’ve happened no matter what I did. Letting Chloe die will not change that. Also, if the people of Arcadia Bay don’t know a storm when they see one, and just stand there and watch, as they are ripped to shreds, they are stupid motherf%%ckers
Nivan If you can explain how a person dying changes the weather, then I’ll be very surprised indeed.
What's the point of obtaining those powers at the very beginning if outcome (Chloe dying) is going to be the same even if you didn't get them? If you sacrifice Chloe in the end, that means that Max would see people die, get dosed and what not, just for Chloe to die at the end anyway. I'm pretty sure she would have been better of not knowing any of that. Chloe wouldn't have any memories of you except those years of childhood and the fact that you left her.
So that's why I say fuck it all. Fuck "Sacrifice Chloe" ending. Bae before bay all the way.
Max's face as she watches over the storm. She can tell she made the right decision.
Connor Macfarlane In others words...a good ending.
When they drive in the truck she doesn't look very happy imo because she knows everybody died because of her selfish behaviour. Chloe already had mental problems before and now max puts even more burden on her because she refuses chloes request to sacrafice her. And as warren said before in the two whales diner the lifes of many go before the life of a single person (or smth like that) , so I think it would have been the right decision to sacrafice chloe instead of the people in arcadia bay.
And I like the ending-song of the sad end ways more :^)
Of course it was how I interpret the endings and for me it looked like she changed her look to a kind of happy face to not worry chloe , if u like the ending or thiknk she looked okay it's fine :)
There are many circumstantials that made me thing that , in my opinion she could have PTSD. To not make anyone mad here , again , that's ofc my own opinion.
Max and Chloe both have that sort of sneaky smile going on. Obviously they're both still rattled, but I don't know that Chloe TRULY wanted Max to sacrifice her. She already had abandonment issues from her father, Rachel and Max. She's not going to suddenly forget all that and get over it. What Chloe said, she said to make Max feel better. Because in that moment Max was more important. She wouldn't be mad at her because she decided NOT to abandon her again. And yeah, Sacrifice Arcadia Bay is selfish. But it's OK for Max to be selfish. She's an 18-year-old girl. Not Superman.
God, this ending feels so much better.. I can hardly watch the other one but this one makes me smile.
ah yes, watching and entire town get destroyed and, in the morning, driving past all the bodies is just so much more heartwarming
Same. I made the choice to save Chloe. I would never leave her the fuck again lolololol
I literally could not watch this ending, I hated it, what a selfish choice tbh :/ I’d much rather sacrifice one life to save hundreds of others
Chloe is probably gonna leave her once she finds someone like rachel lol
@@ZephyrHeartz just because it's selfish to you doesn't mean it is to others. It's called subjectiveness.
Chloe may have been destined to die, but love is more beautiful than destiny
Great words!
Exactly
I started crying when Rachel was dead cause I played before the storm before this 😞
@@TheEndOfAnArk2020 I would say that it is a lot better to play BtS before LiS1
Solo WXB OMG finally someone who played Before the storm before the first game too!! I was in shock when I saw Rachel was ‘missing’ and even more so when I learned that she was killed. And now I have to decide on Chloe’s destiny too?? (I’ve got the game on pause lol) Fuck.... I know it’s “just a game” but damn it’s like they’re my friends if not best friends, I care about them so much...shit man, awesome game tho
I love this ending. There's no bad ending, just difficult choices. Also No Fucking Regrets. I'd make this decision again!
Exactly!
+GayLaura
The shit I had to go through to save Chloe. I would save her again. I have absolutely no regrets and I'd make this choice again and again and again. There's no good or bad ending here. Just a difficult decision that I'll have to live with, and I'll spend every waking moment of it with her. She is my entire world, without her what else can life take away from me? What else do I have left? Life has taken so much away from me. It's time to take something away from life itself. For the first time in my life this is an actual choice that I can make. Life has fucked us all, but not this time. Today I take back what's mine even if it's for a brief moment.
+zetsumeisama No need for regrets anyway. I'd say everyone in that town with a brain just drove to safety when they saw that shit coming their way. Towns way small. Going the speed limit Id be able to make it out of there..
lol
+Chef Larom
Yeah, but everybody in the Two Whals Diner died.
I love the look on Chloe's face at 5:03 She's like "Oh Max. What am I going to do with you?"
The true ending. Chloe is Max’s #1 priority. I would never trade an important best friend like Chloe over a fucking town. #baeoverbay
There is a clear pattern that the universe is trying to get rid of Chloe. That tornado is just another thing that is trying to kill her so that just means that Max will have to keep saving her after the game. The whole game is about learning to let go, with accepting the fact that you can't save William and at the end, Chloe.
@@monkeetoe1657 not necessarily, I’ve been reading the LIS comics based on this ending and there hasn’t been any encounters where Chloe has come close to dying. I think Max has defined destiny or fate after this decision and broken the cycle.
@@monkeetoe1657 What I see in the tornado is Rachel's revenge that is meant for the town - same as her being the doe who helps Max save Chloe.
@@monkeetoe1657 that same universe gave Max her power... So... Just saying, the universe was kinda asking for it. If they didn't want Max to use it... Um, WHY GIVE HER THE POWER? To save bae, obviously, #baeoverbay
@@monkeetoe1657 fr thats what i thought too
I didn't go through almost 20 hours of trying to save Chloe just to let her die in the end.
Fuck arcadia bay.
Max and Chloe are made for each other.
+Satose totally
Chloe : Max...It's time
Obstacle song begins
Max : Not anymore...
Max tears the butterfly photo
Chloe : I'll always be with you...
Max : Forever...
Chloe holds max's hand
💖❤💓💔💕💗
Right! Please reply to me!
Kate,joyce,warren,max’s plant and kate’s bunny: Are we a Joke to u?
@@TheFunnyDictator hey!!
@@Bolt_Zon lolllll💀
@@tomclancy6174 Hey, do you like playing video games?
You have to ask yourself one simple question: After you made your choice...who is going to be there to cry with you? The loved one you saved or the strangers that have no idea you saved them? Easy choice...
+maxihzb Exactly. And beside some exceptions, those strangers don't even give a s**t about you
+maxihzb i would have the strangers crying for me that no idea i saved them sacrificing chloe is doing the right thing cause sacrificing a whole town for just 1 person is being selfish and stupid
Well, basically everyone whom you've interacted with during the game will die when Chloe gets saved (except maybe those who you save during the storm). I mean, you can see the houses getting ripped out from the ground, no one who isn't in a bunker survives that shit.
Being Selfish is a good thing actually, You someimes have to worry about yourself, and what you want.
@Mat Wright
Yeah, well place yourself in the shoes of those strangers and having some douche bag kid sacrifice YOU, your family, and everyone else and their families as well, all in order to save their douche-bag friend (that pretty much just uses them)... If there is an after life that everyone ends up to after death... Like a limbo, instead of a hell or heaven, I'd be fucking PISSED. lol. But hey, people will be dumb I guess... So yeah, let's sacrifice you and everyone else, and let some drug abusing whore punk shit-talking judgmental brat (that uses people) live instead... In other words, I'm so glad people like you don't have the same power Max has... Like the ability to time travel, because if so... humanity would be FUCKED, lol!
I spent the WHOLE game saving her. Yeah bye bye Bay.
KISS HER YOU FOOL
Alden Grant ikr
Warren deserves the kiss, not Chloe :D
@@putinniejimmy5795 Ew no who would want to kiss a stalker?
I Like Tea who said he is a stalker??
@@slongiovani2049 I did
Chloe:Max it’s time
Max:not anymore
Chloe:i always be whit you
Max:Forever
I already finish it lol i made same decision
Save Chloe and know you have someone to tell each other about your memories or go back in time and let her get shot, and only live every day knowing only you got to enjoy all those times because the past Chloe wouldn't have experienced the fun of shooting bottles, sneaking in school, and going on that vacation... Chloe > Bay.
Avonladyflo dude Max's parents were not there they were in Seattle
aasimali khan What about Chloe’s parents? Chloe literally watched her mom die while the tornado tore up the town. And both Max and Chloe would live with extreme guilt for the rest of their lives. It wouldn’t be all happy.
@@user-cw6vz4nm8y And if Max sacrifices Chloe, neither of them live at all. Before The Storm hints at Maxine's suicide in the case of Chloe sacrificing herself. Call me old fashioned, but for me loyalty and love to my friends always comes first. I would never willingly erase the best week of me and my friend's life after years of being apart only to have them die by way of some unwilling psychopath in a dank bathroom. And that's exactly what happens to Chloe when you sacrifice her. She dies never knowing Max came back to spent the best time of her life with her. Died never knowing David and William both would have died for her. Died never knowing Rachel never abandoned her. She died angry and scared and confused. And Max? Max knows it. Max has lived the other possibility, and will forever have to live with the fact that she willingly chose not to live it through. She erased it, but not the memory of it.
I don't think she'll ever get over that. I wouldn't, and I'm a cold bastard. Remember what Joyce said to Max about William? That his gift to them were the great memories of time he spent with them? Yet look at the state of Chloe... Memories don't heal those kinds of wounds, they keep them alive. Max will never be happy if Chloe dies this way, not to mention that Chloe has a heart of gold deep down and just deserves better.
Butterfly Hakuno theres also a bunch of people that Max and Chloe don’t know in the town that she’d be killing for the sake of saving one person. Maybe the people you mentioned aren’t worth sacrificing Chloe, but there’s the entire town after them who would die through no fault of their own. There’s very obviously one morally right choice, and one emotionally right choice. It wouldn’t be morally right to kill a thousand odd people because of the things some of them have done.
Straight White Male I didn’t say anything to the contrary. In fact, you’re right. But she would still feel guilt if she killed everyone, so neither ending is entirely the right choice/the easier choice to make.
This feels like the right option. Max was always coming back for Chloe, not for Arcadia Bay. What I see is the tornado, which is Rachel's revenge on the town that killed her and never let her leave - and the doe is Rachel's way to guide Max to save her beloved Chloe.
I think it is the right end for certain players, if you focus your game time heavily on max and Chloe interaction and mostly ignore the rest of the cast (which is actually quite easily done) then they will seem like a bunch of random NPC's with no personality who are easily cast aside for your best girl and this final scene makes sense.
If you do get to know the rest of the charcters you find they are all their own people with lives and dreams and to snuff all that out at a (fairly unlikely) shot of happiness feels like by far the greater of two evils.
@@josephstewart2821 What do you mean?! Please reply to me, Buddy!
The storm IS Rachel's revenge, but i felt that the doe is William's spirit saving his beloved daughter Chloe
I love this comment thread. Everybody is making a point. And yours is such a strong one. If I could replay this awesome game once again, maybe I could now consider sacrificing arcadia bay and will not feel too bad about it. They both deserve each other
oranjezicht agreed.
Bae over Bay
Hearing Obstacles made me cry immediately. I really loved it at the end of the 1st episode and when hearing it at the end of the game u just couldn't...
It's morally the wrong choice to make, that's for sure. But screw it! Screw morals! Screw everything I've accomplished! Screw everything I've fought for! Screw everyone and everything!
"You're all that matters to me."
This line. This line was what made me choose to save Chloe. I do think Max is deeply in love with her. The kiss if you choose the other choice, the first kiss, the nightmare and many more things... That's not even subtext anymore, that's obvious. Max is in love with Chloe and seriously, just think for one second. I think everyone ever really loved someone, if not in the lover's way, then someone of your family or a pet... If you really love this person, could you sacrifice that person? For people you have not such an emotional bond with? I know I couldn't. Yeah, there are also many of my friends there in the town, but... Yeah, it's selfish and cynical and wrong, I don't say it's an easy choice to make... I just chose like almost everyone would who deeply loves someone, who fought so hard to save this person, who got through hell for this person... Love is selfish.
R.I.P. People of Arcadia Bay. It was a really hard choice for me, the hardest I ever made in a game, I've legitely spent 10 minutes thinking it over, but I don't regret it.
its just what i wanted to say!!!
+GayLaura You gotta think tho hun. How long would it of taken for those fools in Arcadia bay to just get the fuck out? Small town right? 10 mins you're way out of the way. Knew the storm was coming. I don't regret anything. Saw like 2 bodies in the town. Tough luck. They were the few that either couldn't be bothered or were too stubborn to evacuate.
+GayLaura This ending parallels The Last of Us. Both endings resulted from human nature, and humans are selfish, especially when they love someone. I (and many others) relate so much more to this ending than being a "selfless hero."
+GayLaura See, and that's the message behind this game. The illusion of power and the need to accept your choices and your life.
In EVERY instance where Max traded one timeline for another, things got worse.
How many times did Chloe have to die before you get the hint that she wasn't supposed to live?
Morally wrong? What about David and Joyce and Warren? What about all of those people?
+Chef Larom
Well everyone in the Two Whales Diner died when you choose the Sacrifice Arcadia Bay ending.
The difference in the tone of the two ending songs is stark. Spanish Sahara is a song about trying to push down the pain forget what happened. It's melancholic with a sense of despair. The line "So I walked into the haze" and "I'm the fury in your head" imply (at least in this context) that it's Chloe speaking. She wants Max to forget the horror and focus solely on the happy moments they had together.
Then there's Obstacles which is a song about weathering the storm and being together til the end. This song is about the strength of Max and Chloe's relationship. How, despite what happens to them and Arcadia Bay's destruction they have been and always will be best friends
And it also feels like it's being sung from Chloe's perspective, affirming that no matter what Max chooses she'll support her and not blame her for the decision.
First of all, this game broke me. Seriously
Iv'e come to realize there's a problem with this ending... The universe is really after Chloe that week. She dies in every alternate reality Max creates. First Nathan, then the train, Frank, car crash, Jefferson, and then the storm... It seems like Final Destination plot, no matter how they try Chloe was destined to die that week and it seems like she will, sooner or later, and it will just become harder and harder for Max to protect her, while sacrificing more lives of others in the process. Someone noted you can see the weather hasn't quite cleared up in this ending after the storm, as opposed to the other one.
So sooner or later Max would probably have regretted making this choice and ripping that picture.. Though this is the first choice I made at the time, seemed to me no way Max would go back in time just a second after she realized she just messes shit up more and more, going to what can only be described as Hell and almost dying.
Seriously, this game broke me.
I feel the same. Chloe's death is a fixed point in time, as evidenced by Max changing the most significant moment in her life, but that action leading to her slow death thanks to the car accident. Its like The Time Machine, where the main character tries to prevent the death of his beloved, but she dies regardless of what he does until he accepts that its something that can't be changed. I feel this morbid sense that choosing Chloe will just lead to further destruction in the future, and yet another death for Chloe.
i did however think that there should have been a third option; for Max to sacrifice herself. It would have been a huge risk, but she could have gone back to the first instance of her power and still prevented further time manipulation, by taking a bullet for Chloe. She would have died in the bathroom, thus being unable to continue the time reversing that lead to the towns destruction., Nathan would have still been arrested for murder, Jefferson would have been apprehended,Rachel's body found and laid to rest with respect, but Chloe would have seen Max die for her and no longer feel like the world was abandoning her, thus affecting her future decisions and maybe leading to her altering her life so none of the risks she took that lead to her deaths would happen. like i said, risky, but would have been poetic and beautiful nonetheless. I liked the finality of the end, because it was unexpected, and quite heroic on Chloe's part, but i felt that it took too much choice out of Max's hands to take either option. the ultimate sacrifice ending would have been a noble route to take.
Correlation is not the same as Causation. What if she goes back, lets Chloe die, and soon after the funeral that damn storm hits and wipes out most of Arcadia Bay anyway? Because it wasn't about saving Chloe. It was about the time travel... which still happened even if you let her die. Because she remembers it all. It all happened. The storm is not meant to kill Chloe. It is meant for Max... and will strike no matter what.
So. Is saving Chloe the psychopathic choice? No. There is no proof that saving Chloe caused the storm, just supposition by Max. Save Chloe. At least... you can be sure one other person lives. To sacrifice her without knowing for certain that the storm will not hit? That is the true psychopathic choice.
The writers clearly intended a connection to be made. It is canonically true. Obviously when you are making a choice in this videogame they are clearly implying that your very logic is unsound
frick this kind of makes a lotta sense
No, that wasn't how it worked. Every time Max went back in time, it obviously caused a butterfly affect. every time she re-winded time and it had a major outcome on the future, something crazy would happen. like the beached whales, the dead birds, the eclipse, the double moon, etc. the storm was the outcome of all of that, in the end. going back to the first time she used her rewind and letting chloe die rather than saving her would prevent ALL of that from happening, which is why she chose to do so.
@@moonrisehowler1842 No, that wasn't how it worked. Every time Max went back in time, it obviously caused a butterfly affect. every time she re-winded time and it had a major outcome on the future, something crazy would happen. like the beached whales, the dead birds, the eclipse, the double moon, etc. the storm was the outcome of all of that, in the end. going back to the first time she used her rewind and letting chloe die rather than saving her would prevent ALL of that from happening, which is why she chose to do so.
@@xalarix4294 This is further reinforced by the symbolism of the blue butterfly. It appeared for the first time when it all started, when chloe was shot and appeared for the last time when it ended at chloes funeral.
It's hinting that max saving chloe started the whole butterfly effect.
LIFE IS STRANGE: AFTER THE STORM! PLEEEEASEEE
Just play LiS 2
@@Negr0z Noo, we wanna see the story continue !
@@yido4279 yeh Sure i right
@@yido4279 there are 2 official comic lines which follow this ending here.
one is called "Life is Strange: Dust" which has 13 issues and ends on a cliffhanger, and then the sequel comic line to that, which is called "Life is Strange: Partners in Time" which is still on-going. Next issue relases July 7th ;)
@@yido4279 read the comic
I love how the song says "Let's say, sunshine for everyone" once they show the tornado again lmao
Its never an easy decision at the end of episode 5.
As much as I wish I can save everyone, but sadly like the reality we live in, fortune doesn't always smile upon us.
No matter how many times I replay the story,.....
I will always choose to save Chloe in the end.
It is not just because she is my best friend. But I strongly believe that Arcadia Bay and its people have had their chances in life, while Chloe's life has been nothing but a spiral downwards ever since her father died in the accident. Almost everyone has let her down in life. I just can't be like everyone else and let her down too....
Chloe deserves better and a second chance in life, despite what destiny has in store for her.
I know there are good people too in Arcadia Bay, among the bad seeds but I just can't save everyone.
Even Superman can't save everyone.
Sometimes....
It is not how many people we can save, but who is worth saving. There is only so limited time, energy and resources.
Choosing is never easy. And like what Thanos said: "The hardest choice requires the strongest will".
Perhaps by choosing to save a few, it will have greater positive impact to the world as compared to saving everyone, including the rotten eggs.
Maybe some might disagree with my view, but then again we all have our own perspective.
This might be just a simple game, but it is one that touches my soul.
Thumbs up to the developer.
BRO THUMBS UP TO YOUR AMAZING COMMENT U JUST GOT MY HEART!
I chose to sacrifice Chloe.
But after playing LiS BTS and the bonus "Farewell" episode, I got more glimpse of what Chloe have experienced before this moment. And now I regret the ending I chose.
How I wish I could be like Max to rewind time and choose this ending for Chloe instead.
I like how you just bring up Thanos
The biggest reason I chose to save Chloe was because as we saw when Max had a conversation with the Max from an alternate timeline at the diner, it made me realize that max is basically creating all these other timelines for a version of hers to live in. My point of view was that I'm not chosing to alter reality, I'm just chosing which reality my Max's gonna live in, so I chose Chloe.
I love you comment bro that heally touch my heart 😍
Still my choice of ending, it's absolutely selfish and not the moral high ground but it's what I chose and I don't regret it.
It's the right choice
So the other ending is obi wan then
Yeah Arcadia Bay is a dump. Filled with terrible people. It needed a fresh start.
But saving Kate was all for nothing because she died anyway.
Chris ruskin PREACH
Bae before Bay. Always. Pricefield for the win
I usually hate bittersweet endings, but for this one, I didn't care for the people of Arcadia Bay nearly as much as i did for Chloe. So despite a whole bunch of people dying, this felt like a pretty happy ending to me.
again i agree. Kate is fine and she's the only one that I care about aside from Max and Chloe
@@3ggPankak3sSame but I also love Warren
Joel from The Last of Us saved Ellie, right?
Really nigga?
Vicente Camporredondo That was similar choice...
really good comparison, is almost the same. here we fucked up just Arcadia, Joel fucked up the world(?) hahahah
Aaaand I'm sad again
holy shit so true joel killed like a bunch of people worldwide since ellie didnt become the cure thingy
I saved Chloe because 1 Iove her and 2 it would've all been for nothing. The entire game, the suffering, everything would have been for nothing. For me, I did it for Chloe. God this game got me so bad I cried several times lmao
5:32 the logo spells out DI E just to make u feel even more guilty about sacrificing Arcadia bay
it is there before actually
The fact that It's October 11 today and it's Friday
So.....
Max didnt have the idea of going back in time, and warning everyone about the storm days in advance?
The hidden SAVE EVERYONE option?
DEM PLOTHOLESSSSS
I was thinking of this since the 1st episode!!!!
+Bandicoot Haven Do you think anyone would believe a story like that and just evacuate the entire town on the word of a high school student who has no substantial evidence?
+ArvelDreth Exactly
Patrick Star
I do think that there were survivors. I mean, the diner was pretty obviously intact. Anyone in there could've hid behind the counter and been fine. And David survived, because he was in the storm bunker. To be perfectly honest, this ending is much better. Arcadia Bay was destroyed, but not irreparably, and the bulk of the main characters survived.
It is explained that all of this mess comes from Max using her powers and also that Chloe was fated to die... in the end is Chloe or reality
destroy a village and hundreds of people, but save your best friend, or let your friend die, but everyone else and the village survives. the choice should be obvious, but the game made everyone so emotionally connected to Chloe that ca. 50% chose to save her. brilliant game.
Sondre I know. I chose to Sacrifice Arcadia Bay thinking I would be in the minority, I was surprised to see it was almost 50/50.
@@ASwegoalong Cool, I liked Chloe along with tons of other people.
I CRIED WHEN I NEEDED TO LET HER GET KILLED. IT WAS SO BAD.
I couldn’t sacrifice chloe i just couldn’t
I know
I told myself, “You have too. This is the right decision, one life isn’t worth thousands.” But then I thought, “what if it was me with my best friend?” I’ve known my best friend for so long, we don’t even remember the very first time we met. We were that young. I then decided that I couldn’t sacrifice Chloe.
you all have a golden hearts my friends , i burned arcadia bay aswell , i won't ever sacrifice chloe ,she and max is my girls and my girls will always be together and alive #bae4ever
@@darkprince6999 yes,i love chloe so much 😟
Chloe was too toxic for me to let her live
6:53 , glad to see max smiling at the end of the game
I WAS EATING THOSE BEANS!
StoneCG rip Frank, teach the angels how to get your beans spilled on the floor when you're eating them
Are you fucking insane I WAS EATING THOSE BEANS
You eat all my beams nigga?!
@@thomasdavidge9813 I WAS EATING THOSE BEANS
I think this is a problem multiple choice games are facing. You play your character a certain way and make decisions with consequences, but the final stage just boils down to picking an ending with none of your choices factoring into the ending. Mass Effect 3 had this problem and so did Life Is Strange. Witcher 3 did it right though, where the ending you get depends on the choices you made in the game.
I disagree. I understand the the previous choices doesn't have a DIRECT imapact on the final choice, but if you play through the story getting to know people, saving and caring for people and also avoiding that people dies, you''ll be either more or less conflicted about which choice to make.
DaBroob Well yeah, I was conflicted with which choice to make but thats not what I'm talking about. You said you disagree with me but you agreed with the point I was making which is that previous choices don't have an impact on the ending or the character you are trying to mould is no longer in your control. I'm not just talking about LIS btw. I used witcher 3 as an example because that game has you make decisions throughout the game that can change the ending. Overall, LIS does a pretty good job with handling with choices except for the ending imo.
they need to make it so that your choices pick the ending, not you.
Add Fallout 3 to the list. One of my favorite games of all time but BOY, DID THE ENDING SUCK BALLS (that is, if you don't have broken steel dlc).
Games like Witcher 3 are awesome because they make you work for a good ending and there's a lot of variety in them. Life is Strange has a lot of difficult decisions, but in the end none of them matter because you only choose between two endings. I still like the strong relationships between the characters though
Wow, they sure sucked the emotional impact out of this ending. Sacrifice Chloe destroyed me and will always stick with me. This was a shitty cop-out.
Agreed, but It's better that they added a choice at least.
ya but at least I don't have any tears to shed.....one because what u said and two because I lost all of my tears when I watched IHasCupquake sacrifice Chloe...
+Atarashi Noto *Thanks for the spoilers moron*
iEnderJayson TDA You are literally on a video showing the ending. Spoilers do not apply.
That really depends on the way you look at it, for me seeing the tornado destroy it all while they are holding on to each other, it really sends a deep emotional message. You just look at it differently
I was actually really dissapointed that there was no third ending. Max could've easily went back in time to the butterfly picture and stopped Nathan. I bet the developers knew this tho, but they didn't want another cliche happy ending
The universe would have killed her another way, and it still may have had more negative consequences
Would be amazing if in this remastered game that will come out they added that.
yeah ,Max could tell Nathan that hes being manipulated
yeah but to stop nathan she'd have to have the knowledge she gained from time travel, thus breaking reality again