One of the reasons I've always enjoyed the Spanish and Basque Gun Makers was their ability to build some really nice guns without modern equipment or tooling in the midst of some hard situations (like the Spanish Civil War and local internal conflicts). That's why I always get a chuckle out of Gun Controllers trying to stop "Homemade" guns. The US has more amateur machine shops (and modern CNC tooling/3D Printing) than most countries on the planet. Much better than anything the Spanish or Pakistanis (or even the Viet Cong) ever had to build guns. Americans build all kinds of homemade stuff from furniture to car parts. Many years ago one of my friends was fascinated by reading about the Pakistani gun makers, who made everything from handguns to AK 47's with scrap metal. So he started building homemade guns using stuff from scrapyards and hardware stores. His only training was High School Shop Class and some books he read. Over the years he's built semi-autos (handguns, rifles, and shotguns), revolvers, and double barrel rifles and shotguns. The more he builds, the better his technique. Years ago, I helped test fire several of those guns. I was always very careful and used graduated loads (as well as a remote firing system and safety shield) to test the guns. A few early ones didn't work so well. Yea, a couple of them cracked badly (one blew up). But eventually he got the heat treating and other techniques down pat. Now they just as good as any factory produced gun and much prettier. I also got to handle and fire a Pakistani Enfield built back in the 60's at one of those infamous back alley gun shops. It's actually well made, has good metallurgy (we had it Magnaflux tested), and it fairly accurate. Homemade guns can be interesting, though I am careful when handling them.
I'm fascinated by these pistols that are "better than nothing" by far, as a soldier I'm sure I'd be happy to have a pistol at all. George Orwell's Homage to Catolonia has an interesting passage where he talks about desperately seeking out ANY type of pistol during the Spanish Civil War and being thrilled to find what he describes as a sad sad revolver
@@camberweller the descriptions of the rifles is also super interesting, Orwell was so pissed the only good bore on the rifles they got was given to the guy who just fired randomly
I got a Ruby years ago for next to nothing because it didn't have a magazine and, according to the seller, finding one that would work would be near impossible. I assumed that I would have to find a mag and then go to work on it with a file or something but, since then I have collected 3 magazines, all from different manufactures, that have worked with zero modifications. On a side note. The 3 mags together cost me more than the pistol
I was given a 1903 pocket hammerless by a cousin that couldn't find a magazine for it. I finally found a place that had an original and a reproduction. I became ill when I heard the price of the original. I was still uneasy when given the repro's price - but still bought it. Thankfully, it runs fine when I can find .32 auto ammo...
Are the magazines from the same maker of the pistol or mixed? That would be very interesting if the magazine incompatibility was an overblown safety measure.
Going back and rewatching this, it's near that I actually own a copy of that Colt clone at 4:00 (it's a Garate copy). When I bought it, it was listed as a commercial S&W clone in .38 Special and I'd forgotten about these, but in retrospect it's cool that I actually have a French service handgun (and likely an actual French gun-some of the postwar .32-20 guns have nicer finishes, but mine has a brown finish much more akin to a wartime gun than a commercial one). Also got myself a Ruby, so now all I need is a French rifle to go with them.
C'mon, you know that there's at least one prepper who's got a Ruby in his backup-to-the-backup-to-the-backup stock who's giggling hysterically right now...
@Harold Smith There is/was plenty of Rubys/M1910 in backroom drawers here in countryside. Perfect guns for farmer to slaughter pig, or end mercifully the days of his loved hunting companion (dog) if time came. Some are still out there, licenced or not. Finns bought boatload of Rubys to arm army in 1919. In wars 1939-1945 many end up in the rucksacks and coming home with reservist unofficially.
My dad actually used a Ruby as his gun he carried while out on our property in the national forest in case of coyotes or feral dogs or that sort of thing. That did change once he got an S&W 57, however....
I have one of those K-frame clones; in fact, your video about them helped me identify it. The people I bought it from thought it was a Chinese Mystery Revolver, because the stampings on it are so wonky as to be almost unintelligible unless you already know what they say. The manufacturers of this particular one spelled their own name wrong on the gun, which tells you something about the diligence of both their QC and the French acceptance process. :)
Just to add on the magazine interchangeability of the Ruby, Chappy has a video showing that in many cases they are interchangeable. So, while not guaranteed to work the limitation is likely a bit overstated.
Yes, that was quite a funny video. Bloke dressed up in a hooped jersey frantically looking for guns hidden under the furniture. Then he is surprised by Chap. "¿Hombre?"
For sure, but Chap was using clean guns and not being scientific, so there are limits to what he is proving. He didn't put every magazine into every other Rubie on the table and shoot a full magazine of ammunition through them. He ultimately showed that the tolerances were not so bad that magazines wouldn't "fit" in any other guns, but how well the magazines fit and if they would reliably work to French military standards, especially if dirty, were matters not rigorously tested by him. What we know is the French Army saw a problem, enough to write about it, create the inspection stamp requirement, and after that requirement went into effect, complaints about Rubies declined notably. Given the respectable level of praise for Rubies you find by the French Military, I don't think the French were making up problems that weren't there.
I suspect it might be a “this factory’s guns can work with magazines from the same factory and these factories who based their measurements on the same magazines or whatever” type deal
Man you are so lucky to have access to so many interesting and somewhat obscure handguns. The major producers of quality wartime firearms did an amazing job of arming all the world's armies/navies, but those second and third tier arms producers really hold my interest. They did so much with old worn out tooling, and inferior materials, and yet made some pretty good guns in a hurry. They did a lot, with what they had to work with.
and some of them skirt genius its not easy to take a proper design made with high quality steel then copy it to use iron that's a lot of dimensions that need to be changed with not a ton of space to do it frankly say what you want about the quality of the guns but the ability to use iron/low quality steel in a gun is a genuine advantage that make supplying men significantly easier (plus the gun you do have always beats the gun you don't)
02:28 The ONÁ was one of 4 Spanish copies of the Smith & Wesson .44 1st Model Double Action used in WW1 British service. The contract was for 30,000 pieces and Orbea subcontracted to three other firms to meet the demand. The parts were not interchangeable because there was no communication or quality control standards between the four firms. *Orbea Hermanos* (Eibar, contractor 1915-1916) = 11mm M1884 ONÁ or "S&W Model 7". ( _Ona_ is Basque for "good"). It was a copy of the Smith & Wesson Double Action in .44 Russian used by the Spanish Army. The British contract was rechambered for .455 Webley and was designated Pistol, Old Pattern, No.3 Mk.I [10,000 made]. The medallion on the grip had an interlaced OH instead of S&W. *Garate, Anitua y Cia* (Eibar, subcontractor 1916) = Pistol, Revolver, Old Pattern, No. 1 Mk. 1. A copy of the ONA. *Trocaola, Aranzabal y Cia* (Eibar, subcontractor1916) = Pistol, Revolver, Old Pattern, No. 2 Mk. 1. A copy of the ONA. *Rexach & Urgoite* (subcontractor 1916) = Made 500 pistols, all of which were rejected for poor quality. The received pistols were given to the Royal Ulster Constabulary after the war. They later passed them off to the New South Wales Police Force, who cut them down and used them for holdout or backup pistols.
La vieja y querida España y su industria armera. En todos los rincones del mundo, conocían el nombre "Eibar Spain" la localidad de dónde procedían el 95 por ciento de todas esas armas.
Y uno de esos fabricantes eran nada más y nada menos que Orbea, ahora son la marca de bicicletas más vendida en España. Me resulta gracioso, no se por qué. Historias curiosas
.32 French Long was his highly sought after obscure French cartridge for a while so I wouldn't be surprised if he either already has a bunch of French ordnance rounds, or is seeking them out lol
Spanish mystery pistols. During the same time period random hacksmiths from China and Spain were simultaneously producing horrendously crude knockoff pistols. At least the Spaniards understood sights.
time is not on my side these days and I still have not been able to watch the last luger episode but I am very grateful that you guys are putting out so much content. I am happy others agree with me and funded you all for the next years. well done Othias and Mae my fav youtubers by far
“They won’t make it into World War 3, at least not officially.” Is that a challenge? Because when I establish the independent People’s Democratic Republic of Freedonia, I will make as many of these as is practical the standard issue side arms of the Citizens Libertarian Self Defense Force
I have a ruby that my grandfather bought used from a pawnshop for $2.50 around 1925 and I still shoot it today. the weird thing about it is if I shoot it from a rest I can just about put every bullet through the same hole at ten feet.
Thank you for this. I have owned one of the S&W copy made in Spain in 8mm French Ordance for about 25 years. Need to order a box of bullets and actually shoot it one of these days lol. Keep up the good work.
I have an old Spanish Eibar revolver made in 1924. It uses .38 special cartridges but it's rated for black powder, not modern smokeless cartridges. o_O Its nickel plated but I retired it since I was having light primer strikes so alas its no longer reliable. It's timing is still good though.
.38 Special started out as a black powder cartridge from 1899, hence why the case is so big, to fit all of the black powder (which requires more powder than smokeless for the same effect). But it wasn't long before it was offered as smokeless powder round commercially in the early 1900s/1910's. Also, you could still easily find and buy black powder cartridges sold along side smokeless cartridges of the same calibers in the 20's, up to I think the 40s or so, as the amount of older black powder only cartridge guns were still being used and more prevalent. Every revolver I own is either a modern black powder only replica of a Colt cap and ball revolver, or a pre 1899 antique top break or solid frame double action revolver. The latter ones use cartridges and are apparently supposed to use only black powder rounds, but seeing as they're harder to find unless you load them yourself, and the 'Cowboy' loads that use smokeless powder are usually less powerful than the original round in black powder, they'd be unlikely to damage these guns. But something out of Eibar with that known to be soft Spanish steel I personally would feel differently about using the modern underloaded smokeless rounds, and would buy like a cheap Lee Loader to load BP rounds, or buy them from the few companies that will occasionally make modern black powder loaded .38 Special rounds. I'm really sorry to hear about you having to retire it. Perhaps if you found a replacement mainspring from another make of revolver that looks similar enough or could be slightly resized to fit in yours, it would fix the light strike issues? I know eBay and some other sites have a good selection of antique gun parts. But I'd imagine it might not be as simple, as unless your gun is a copy of a more well known gun, and uses essentially the exact same style of parts, it might not be possible unless you made your own part or had a machinist make a duplicate part for your unique gun. Either way, I just wanted to comment because I thought that was very unique, to hear of a revolver made new in the 1920s that's only proofed for Black Powder cartridges lol. Not surprising with the soft steel or iron that was used in their construction, but the 20s is well into the smokeless cartridge era (well like at least 10 or 15 years in to it being sold commercially in most places) so it just struck me as very unique lol. Have a nice day!
@@brian8152 no problem. When I did use it though, I would only shoot lead roundnosed bullets since they were loaded way less hot than .38 special FMJ. I found a few blackpowder 38 special but it was extremely rare. I had thought about finding spare parts but it will be nearly impossible so I'll probably have to find a machinist like you mentioned to fabricate a part. All hope is not lost, I've since replaced my old .38 special with a brand, spanking new Rock Island armory revolver. 🔫
I read Robert Leckie's book about serving in the Pacific in ww2. A pistol was prized beyond absolutely anything, as the Japanese liked to sneak up on a Marine's foxhole at night and try to kill them silently. A rifle wasn't that great for killing up close. I'm betting that it was the same in WW1 after years of trench warfare.
I'm not sure if the Romanian one really counts as a gun or as a gun-like object... But to be fair I think by that point Romania was about ready to issue officers with weapons-grade harsh language for self-defence.
Headstamp Publishing probably has "History and Development of the Ruby Pistol Through WWIII" by Ian McCollum IV in documentation gathering stage right now.
Thank you for the info. I still own one like the 1st example. Needs a good cleaning internally. I fired .44 Russian with black powder thru it. I cleaned it between uses. Not used a lot. Just a few times. I always felt there was a story to go with it. Now I know.
Germany was also using copies. For example, I have a German copy of the Schofield revolver in 44 Russian. It has Berlin proof marks and the good old safety lever on the right side. The great war brought about strange weapons, lol.
The Spanish patent thing has always perplexed me somewhat, though I'm sure there are obvious reasons for it, obvious to those who know lol - why did the larger manufacturers not just contract or simply buy one of the local gunsmiths to produce the patent (even under license) and thus have it made in the country/protect the patent?
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography Ok yeah, I think I was missing the part where the Spanish could only work the softer metals and couldn't be supplied materials by the original factory. Although I appreciate the quality was lower - there must be some part of that which is down to not having the drawings, supplies or tooling, which I was presuming the manufacturer would provide to some extent. As in - the parts that could be made with softer metals being made locally and the guns being assembled there but say for instance; barrels, springs and receivers being provided by the original manufacturer. In essence the small Spanish gunsmith would (on paper) contract the original factory to supply some receivers and barrels etc. which the Spanish would then use to produce the guns - adding their own grips, sights and decoration before fulfilling a contract with the manufacturer to supply x amount of the guns or selling them exclusively to markets where the Patent holder wasn't [welcome]. I suppose there would be an amount of pride in their work from the Spaniards perspective which may make them feel like they'd become "finishers" more than Gunsmiths but surely the financial benefits would soon temper that. All too complicated 150 years ago to maintain, too much taken for granted on my part.
@@rickybuhl3176 an that is false the lama , navarria and basconia plants used steel and good steel at that. the ting was that it was not a big problem at that time most spanish copies where present in spain and france not a big market for american companies
@@anuvisraa5786 ..well that's what I first thought (manufacturers/steel) but assumed I must have been wrong (the part I was missing) because I just don't know much on the subject of handguns.. Didn't Llama have a number of factories almost from the start!?
Regarding allegedly not interchangeable magazines I like to point you to a video by Pascal The Chap: th-cam.com/video/bN7_fkpK80U/w-d-xo.html Mark Tawin would say that the lack of interchangeability is greatly exaggerated.
Good afternoon I just recently inherited a Dan Wesson 357 Magnum and I can't find out zero about it and I was wondering if you could possibly lead me to a way other than where I've been
As a matter of fact I have I have called CZ-USA who owns what used to be Dan Wesson's and went on many of the sites and the serial number doesn't even show up so no one knows anything
There is a great video of The Chap checking the interchangeability of the magazines. Do you disdain the information in the video out of prejudice or arrogance and haughtiness...? 🤔
If they needed rifles they gave them to rear line troops. It's not uncommon to see berthiers in pictures of German soldiers in ww2. In ww1 it was mostly allies using everything possible.
@@terrybailey9621 So wrong Germany and we're in more dire for weopons, has hole units armed with missing, Germany captured the obselete rides being sold by the low countries and issued them
"Which wasn't consider an ideal offensive weapon anyway" I can imagine the cowboys smacking down those Generals for suggesting that. A good cowboy always kept a revolver ready in case the repeating rifle or shotgun couldn't get the job done. Oh yeah, Americans brought over the old shotgun with them, and when it worked, boy howdy did those Germans cry war crime!
One of the reasons I've always enjoyed the Spanish and Basque Gun Makers was their ability to build some really nice guns without modern equipment or tooling in the midst of some hard situations (like the Spanish Civil War and local internal conflicts). That's why I always get a chuckle out of Gun Controllers trying to stop "Homemade" guns. The US has more amateur machine shops (and modern CNC tooling/3D Printing) than most countries on the planet. Much better than anything the Spanish or Pakistanis (or even the Viet Cong) ever had to build guns. Americans build all kinds of homemade stuff from furniture to car parts. Many years ago one of my friends was fascinated by reading about the Pakistani gun makers, who made everything from handguns to AK 47's with scrap metal. So he started building homemade guns using stuff from scrapyards and hardware stores. His only training was High School Shop Class and some books he read. Over the years he's built semi-autos (handguns, rifles, and shotguns), revolvers, and double barrel rifles and shotguns. The more he builds, the better his technique. Years ago, I helped test fire several of those guns. I was always very careful and used graduated loads (as well as a remote firing system and safety shield) to test the guns. A few early ones didn't work so well. Yea, a couple of them cracked badly (one blew up). But eventually he got the heat treating and other techniques down pat. Now they just as good as any factory produced gun and much prettier. I also got to handle and fire a Pakistani Enfield built back in the 60's at one of those infamous back alley gun shops. It's actually well made, has good metallurgy (we had it Magnaflux tested), and it fairly accurate. Homemade guns can be interesting, though I am careful when handling them.
I'm fascinated by these pistols that are "better than nothing" by far, as a soldier I'm sure I'd be happy to have a pistol at all. George Orwell's Homage to Catolonia has an interesting passage where he talks about desperately seeking out ANY type of pistol during the Spanish Civil War and being thrilled to find what he describes as a sad sad revolver
Amazing book.
@@camberweller the descriptions of the rifles is also super interesting, Orwell was so pissed the only good bore on the rifles they got was given to the guy who just fired randomly
thanks for the book title!
Gun is gun. Until it's bomb 😂
@@vladimirmihnev9702
Until is ignorant.
I got a Ruby years ago for next to nothing because it didn't have a magazine and, according to the seller, finding one that would work would be near impossible. I assumed that I would have to find a mag and then go to work on it with a file or something but, since then I have collected 3 magazines, all from different manufactures, that have worked with zero modifications. On a side note. The 3 mags together cost me more than the pistol
I was given a 1903 pocket hammerless by a cousin that couldn't find a magazine for it. I finally found a place that had an original and a reproduction. I became ill when I heard the price of the original. I was still uneasy when given the repro's price - but still bought it. Thankfully, it runs fine when I can find .32 auto ammo...
Are the magazines from the same maker of the pistol or mixed? That would be very interesting if the magazine incompatibility was an overblown safety measure.
Going back and rewatching this, it's near that I actually own a copy of that Colt clone at 4:00 (it's a Garate copy). When I bought it, it was listed as a commercial S&W clone in .38 Special and I'd forgotten about these, but in retrospect it's cool that I actually have a French service handgun (and likely an actual French gun-some of the postwar .32-20 guns have nicer finishes, but mine has a brown finish much more akin to a wartime gun than a commercial one).
Also got myself a Ruby, so now all I need is a French rifle to go with them.
C'mon, you know that there's at least one prepper who's got a Ruby in his backup-to-the-backup-to-the-backup stock who's giggling hysterically right now...
@Harold Smith There is/was plenty of Rubys/M1910 in backroom drawers here in countryside. Perfect guns for farmer to slaughter pig, or end mercifully the days of his loved hunting companion (dog) if time came.
Some are still out there, licenced or not.
Finns bought boatload of Rubys to arm army in 1919. In wars 1939-1945 many end up in the rucksacks and coming home with reservist unofficially.
That will be used in ww4
Ian.
My dad actually used a Ruby as his gun he carried while out on our property in the national forest in case of coyotes or feral dogs or that sort of thing. That did change once he got an S&W 57, however....
I get the impression that preppers giggle hysterically all the time anyway.
I have one of those K-frame clones; in fact, your video about them helped me identify it. The people I bought it from thought it was a Chinese Mystery Revolver, because the stampings on it are so wonky as to be almost unintelligible unless you already know what they say. The manufacturers of this particular one spelled their own name wrong on the gun, which tells you something about the diligence of both their QC and the French acceptance process. :)
Just to add on the magazine interchangeability of the Ruby, Chappy has a video showing that in many cases they are interchangeable. So, while not guaranteed to work the limitation is likely a bit overstated.
Yes, that was quite a funny video.
Bloke dressed up in a hooped jersey frantically looking for guns hidden under the furniture.
Then he is surprised by Chap.
"¿Hombre?"
For sure, but Chap was using clean guns and not being scientific, so there are limits to what he is proving. He didn't put every magazine into every other Rubie on the table and shoot a full magazine of ammunition through them. He ultimately showed that the tolerances were not so bad that magazines wouldn't "fit" in any other guns, but how well the magazines fit and if they would reliably work to French military standards, especially if dirty, were matters not rigorously tested by him.
What we know is the French Army saw a problem, enough to write about it, create the inspection stamp requirement, and after that requirement went into effect, complaints about Rubies declined notably. Given the respectable level of praise for Rubies you find by the French Military, I don't think the French were making up problems that weren't there.
I suspect it might be a “this factory’s guns can work with magazines from the same factory and these factories who based their measurements on the same magazines or whatever” type deal
@@genericpersonx333 Oh, I am not saying it wasn't an issue or even a serious one. But the way it is typically presented these days is overstated.
@@genericpersonx333 A full mag of ammunition is expensive. Several full magazines are even more extensive. The prices are crazy
Man you are so lucky to have access to so many interesting and somewhat obscure handguns. The major producers of quality wartime firearms did an amazing job of arming all the world's armies/navies, but those second and third tier arms producers really hold my interest. They did so much with old worn out tooling, and inferior materials, and yet made some pretty good guns in a hurry. They did a lot, with what they had to work with.
and some of them skirt genius its not easy to take a proper design made with high quality steel then copy it to use iron that's a lot of dimensions that need to be changed with not a ton of space to do it
frankly say what you want about the quality of the guns but the ability to use iron/low quality steel in a gun is a genuine advantage that make supplying men significantly easier (plus the gun you do have always beats the gun you don't)
02:28 The ONÁ was one of 4 Spanish copies of the Smith & Wesson .44 1st Model Double Action used in WW1 British service. The contract was for 30,000 pieces and Orbea subcontracted to three other firms to meet the demand. The parts were not interchangeable because there was no communication or quality control standards between the four firms.
*Orbea Hermanos* (Eibar, contractor 1915-1916) = 11mm M1884 ONÁ or "S&W Model 7". ( _Ona_ is Basque for "good"). It was a copy of the Smith & Wesson Double Action in .44 Russian used by the Spanish Army. The British contract was rechambered for .455 Webley and was designated Pistol, Old Pattern, No.3 Mk.I [10,000 made]. The medallion on the grip had an interlaced OH instead of S&W.
*Garate, Anitua y Cia* (Eibar, subcontractor 1916) = Pistol, Revolver, Old Pattern, No. 1 Mk. 1. A copy of the ONA.
*Trocaola, Aranzabal y Cia* (Eibar, subcontractor1916) = Pistol, Revolver, Old Pattern, No. 2 Mk. 1. A copy of the ONA.
*Rexach & Urgoite* (subcontractor 1916) = Made 500 pistols, all of which were rejected for poor quality.
The received pistols were given to the Royal Ulster Constabulary after the war. They later passed them off to the New South Wales Police Force, who cut them down and used them for holdout or backup pistols.
Interesting
You are a wealth of knowledge
Sounds like you would enjoy the full episode on the Ona.
Orbea now makes bicycles
I got one of those .455 Webly revolvers at an auction, in great shape and is a blast to shoot.
Fascinating! The clips series is a great way to get people interested in the full episodes.
Interesting. Heres the key notes now over there is the good stuff.
They are also great for when you want just a few minutes of entertaining education.
This kind of Overview Episode is an *excellent* companion to the regular series focused on a single gun!
La vieja y querida España y su industria armera. En todos los rincones del mundo, conocían el nombre "Eibar Spain" la localidad de dónde procedían el 95 por ciento de todas esas armas.
Y uno de esos fabricantes eran nada más y nada menos que Orbea, ahora son la marca de bicicletas más vendida en España. Me resulta gracioso, no se por qué. Historias curiosas
Whenever you say "French ordnance" I imagine Ian's head poking in.
.32 French Long was his highly sought after obscure French cartridge for a while so I wouldn't be surprised if he either already has a bunch of French ordnance rounds, or is seeking them out lol
Spanish mystery pistols. During the same time period random hacksmiths from China and Spain were simultaneously producing horrendously crude knockoff pistols. At least the Spaniards understood sights.
To bad they were WW1 era sights.
Love this Clips series! Keep up the great work
Green carpet on the table would help visibility for the details on black weapons. Current black on black is a bit too blend.
ive colected a lot of old spanish revolvers, some of those were pretty well made nothing to envy to a original colt, s&w or webley
Love the clips series. Got me wanting rewatch the episodes for all those guns yet again.
Dang it Othias! Now I want a Bodeo even more!
These short clips are just great!
time is not on my side these days and I still have not been able to watch the last luger episode but I am very grateful that you guys are putting out so much content. I am happy others agree with me and funded you all for the next years. well done Othias and Mae my fav youtubers by far
“They won’t make it into World War 3, at least not officially.”
Is that a challenge? Because when I establish the independent People’s Democratic Republic of Freedonia, I will make as many of these as is practical the standard issue side arms of the Citizens Libertarian Self Defense Force
War... war never changes.
You do realise that you won't stand a chance against the Elbonian Army? They've been training to do their best with the worst for a long time.
@@Dogbertious that’s why we will ally with them; where do you think we plan on hiring our advisers from
Interesting! Most of these, I was not familiar with. Thanks for getting back to the regular content!
I have a ruby that my grandfather bought used from a pawnshop for $2.50 around 1925 and I still shoot it today. the weird thing about it is if I shoot it from a rest I can just about put every bullet through the same hole at ten feet.
I heard, "this gum, is so bubble gun soft..."
And I laughed.
Thank you, Othias!
Always enlightening . Keep em coming Thanks
Thank you for this. I have owned one of the S&W copy made in Spain in 8mm French Ordance for about 25 years. Need to order a box of bullets and actually shoot it one of these days lol. Keep up the good work.
I have an old Spanish Eibar revolver made in 1924. It uses .38 special cartridges but it's rated for black powder, not modern smokeless cartridges. o_O Its nickel plated but I retired it since I was having light primer strikes so alas its no longer reliable. It's timing is still good though.
.38 Special started out as a black powder cartridge from 1899, hence why the case is so big, to fit all of the black powder (which requires more powder than smokeless for the same effect). But it wasn't long before it was offered as smokeless powder round commercially in the early 1900s/1910's. Also, you could still easily find and buy black powder cartridges sold along side smokeless cartridges of the same calibers in the 20's, up to I think the 40s or so, as the amount of older black powder only cartridge guns were still being used and more prevalent.
Every revolver I own is either a modern black powder only replica of a Colt cap and ball revolver, or a pre 1899 antique top break or solid frame double action revolver. The latter ones use cartridges and are apparently supposed to use only black powder rounds, but seeing as they're harder to find unless you load them yourself, and the 'Cowboy' loads that use smokeless powder are usually less powerful than the original round in black powder, they'd be unlikely to damage these guns. But something out of Eibar with that known to be soft Spanish steel I personally would feel differently about using the modern underloaded smokeless rounds, and would buy like a cheap Lee Loader to load BP rounds, or buy them from the few companies that will occasionally make modern black powder loaded .38 Special rounds.
I'm really sorry to hear about you having to retire it. Perhaps if you found a replacement mainspring from another make of revolver that looks similar enough or could be slightly resized to fit in yours, it would fix the light strike issues? I know eBay and some other sites have a good selection of antique gun parts. But I'd imagine it might not be as simple, as unless your gun is a copy of a more well known gun, and uses essentially the exact same style of parts, it might not be possible unless you made your own part or had a machinist make a duplicate part for your unique gun.
Either way, I just wanted to comment because I thought that was very unique, to hear of a revolver made new in the 1920s that's only proofed for Black Powder cartridges lol. Not surprising with the soft steel or iron that was used in their construction, but the 20s is well into the smokeless cartridge era (well like at least 10 or 15 years in to it being sold commercially in most places) so it just struck me as very unique lol. Have a nice day!
@@brian8152 no problem. When I did use it though, I would only shoot lead roundnosed bullets since they were loaded way less hot than .38 special FMJ. I found a few blackpowder 38 special but it was extremely rare. I had thought about finding spare parts but it will be nearly impossible so I'll probably have to find a machinist like you mentioned to fabricate a part. All hope is not lost, I've since replaced my old .38 special with a brand, spanking new Rock Island armory revolver. 🔫
@@ragingjaguarknight86 I'm glad to hear you got a new Rock Island revolver, I hope it serves you very well and doesn't have problems!
Really interesting info. I didnt know this. Love these clips.
God bless all here
I read Robert Leckie's book about serving in the Pacific in ww2. A pistol was prized beyond absolutely anything, as the Japanese liked to sneak up on a Marine's foxhole at night and try to kill them silently. A rifle wasn't that great for killing up close. I'm betting that it was the same in WW1 after years of trench warfare.
I'm not sure if the Romanian one really counts as a gun or as a gun-like object... But to be fair I think by that point Romania was about ready to issue officers with weapons-grade harsh language for self-defence.
Headstamp Publishing probably has "History and Development of the Ruby Pistol Through WWIII" by Ian McCollum IV in documentation gathering stage right now.
In the 1960s Hunters Lodge sold Ruby pistols for cheap. Mail order gun sales then was common.
My brain hurts thinking about all the obscure ammo you have on hand, I would just tape the box to the gun so I don’t mix them up 😂
is there a video on the subject of picking up ammo and arms of the dead to recondition them back into service
nice summary of the range of weapons produced in Spain for the war
A whole series on Spanish home guns? I'm excited and saddened for my wallet.
Guy on the left @ 1:13 says 'How's that'. And dude in the black says 'That'll do fine'
Love u C&Rsenal and team.
Can you make a Playlist for the clip series?
Thank you for the info. I still own one like the 1st example. Needs a good cleaning internally. I fired .44 Russian with black powder thru it. I cleaned it between uses. Not used a lot. Just a few times. I always felt there was a story to go with it. Now I know.
Germany was also using copies. For example, I have a German copy of the Schofield revolver in 44 Russian. It has Berlin proof marks and the good old safety lever on the right side. The great war brought about strange weapons, lol.
What a gorgeous firearm
When you take a moment to choose between one of these guns and a sword before entering a battle.
Their 1911 copies are some of the best out there... at least before the civil war.
Talented masters.
Ironically, because of how common 1911's are in the Philippines, it might actually see use in WW3
The Cebu special
spain made a lot of money making guns for the western allies in ww1 after the war it caused a depression which contributed to the spanish civil war.
The best part of Clips is the higher frequency of Ian realizing he can't Othais.
The Spanish patent thing has always perplexed me somewhat, though I'm sure there are obvious reasons for it, obvious to those who know lol - why did the larger manufacturers not just contract or simply buy one of the local gunsmiths to produce the patent (even under license) and thus have it made in the country/protect the patent?
Because those Spanish copies were generally lower quality and would threaten to under cut the sales of proper models.
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography Ok yeah, I think I was missing the part where the Spanish could only work the softer metals and couldn't be supplied materials by the original factory. Although I appreciate the quality was lower - there must be some part of that which is down to not having the drawings, supplies or tooling, which I was presuming the manufacturer would provide to some extent. As in - the parts that could be made with softer metals being made locally and the guns being assembled there but say for instance; barrels, springs and receivers being provided by the original manufacturer. In essence the small Spanish gunsmith would (on paper) contract the original factory to supply some receivers and barrels etc. which the Spanish would then use to produce the guns - adding their own grips, sights and decoration before fulfilling a contract with the manufacturer to supply x amount of the guns or selling them exclusively to markets where the Patent holder wasn't [welcome]. I suppose there would be an amount of pride in their work from the Spaniards perspective which may make them feel like they'd become "finishers" more than Gunsmiths but surely the financial benefits would soon temper that. All too complicated 150 years ago to maintain, too much taken for granted on my part.
@@rickybuhl3176 an that is false the lama , navarria and basconia plants used steel and good steel at that. the ting was that it was not a big problem at that time
most spanish copies where present in spain and france not a big market for american companies
Also, it wasn't a big enough market for most of the larger foreign manufacturers to care that much.
@@anuvisraa5786 ..well that's what I first thought (manufacturers/steel) but assumed I must have been wrong (the part I was missing) because I just don't know much on the subject of handguns.. Didn't Llama have a number of factories almost from the start!?
Tengo un 38 long ctg ''arrillaga y compañía'' de Eibar. Alguien tiene info de la casa que los fabricó?
I’m jealous of your background
WWIII confirmed? I must volunteer on the condition I get to use a WWI era vintage Spanish handgun just to disprove you!
Excellent
Like I’m always telling my boss, siestas improve productivity!
Love it!
Llama gabilondo y cía founded in 1904
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making your own gun at home is one of the most based things you can do.
WW3? Is there something you know that I don’t? Hmmmm?
Regarding allegedly not interchangeable magazines I like to point you to a video by Pascal The Chap: th-cam.com/video/bN7_fkpK80U/w-d-xo.html
Mark Tawin would say that the lack of interchangeability is greatly exaggerated.
0:01 IT'S MAGAZINE !! REEEEEEEEEE XD
Have you herd of bolco 32 stg
Good afternoon I just recently inherited a Dan Wesson 357 Magnum and I can't find out zero about it and I was wondering if you could possibly lead me to a way other than where I've been
There’s lots of information about Dan Wesson’s out the, if you can’t find any information, you are simply not locking hard enough.
As a matter of fact I have I have called CZ-USA who owns what used to be Dan Wesson's and went on many of the sites and the serial number doesn't even show up so no one knows anything
Plenty of forums, not looking too hard
Facebook sites
Just the mere mentioning of Facebook lets me know you know Jack about s*** y'all need to get a life
if world war three breaks out and someone whips out a bodello on me i'll die thinking: cool.
You can have it fast, cheap, or well made. Pick two.
Brrrr that ominous reference to ww3 tho :(
There is a great video of The Chap checking the interchangeability of the magazines. Do you disdain the information in the video out of prejudice or arrogance and haughtiness...? 🤔
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I can forgive a lot of things, but mentioning "Ruby" in the same sentence as "Model 1917 Rifle?" Them's fightin' words.
During WW3 some of these spanish pistols were seen in the hands of the C&Rsenal Freikorps
I love clips. The Algorithm probably doesn't, but the Algorithm can go Hötzendorf itself!
Cmon we all know the ruby will see action in wwIII
I have a Smith & Wesson Double Action caliber.44 Russian, it's 140 years old & it still shoots.
Yea yea yea gun, war, etc, etc but where are the Guinea Pigs !!!!
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"Not officially"
Did othias just quote nine inch nails?
Beggars can't be choosers.
"Won't make it into WW3"
The middle east/africa:Wanna bet?
Those pistols are robust. I don't understand why you say the quality is not as good as the ones made by the allies.
The llama gabilondo 1911
Pistolas para manos, por manos.
I would better be:
Pistolas de mano hechas a mano
Or:
Pistolas hechas a mano
@@enalche2 Well, I was going for "handguns for hands, by hands".
Over the course of the war, all nations must have captured vast numbers of enemy rifles and ammunition. What did they do with them?
If they needed rifles they gave them to rear line troops. It's not uncommon to see berthiers in pictures of German soldiers in ww2. In ww1 it was mostly allies using everything possible.
Passed to the farest rear troops, police, navy ECT.
@@terrybailey9621 So wrong Germany and we're in more dire for weopons, has hole units armed with missing, Germany captured the obselete rides being sold by the low countries and issued them
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spain was the brazil of its time.
"Which wasn't consider an ideal offensive weapon anyway" I can imagine the cowboys smacking down those Generals for suggesting that. A good cowboy always kept a revolver ready in case the repeating rifle or shotgun couldn't get the job done. Oh yeah, Americans brought over the old shotgun with them, and when it worked, boy howdy did those Germans cry war crime!
They have an episode about that
None are still in service at least to my knowledge lol
Pakistan tribal know how to copy all guns from 1700s Muskets to M16 even more solid 6-8% heavier. We sold one In Singapore they said 200 years old.🤣
Spain, the OG knock-off kings
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Ww3...
What do you expect from a gun named "bordelo", hu? French swearing "que bourdel"!
Bodeo,not bordelo
Superior Hispanic manufacture
No one's ever lorded Spanish engineering.
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Hispanic engineering is superior and the English seethe
@@oolooo name any of it ?
@@snowflakemelter1172 the Campo Giro 😄
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botijo
Since ancient days , baby
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