History Primer 067: Russian S&W No.3 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
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Here's a referenced Russian quote, I don't remember where I got it (it's some historical overview in Russian). It resonates very much with the doctrine of the famous Boris the Blade from the movie Snatch: «In Issue 32 of the Russian Invalid [meaning "veteran"] from 1892, mister Nadarev also comes to the following conclusion: "In summary, the current system of carrying a revolver in a belt holster should be left unchanged, the revolver lanyard phased out; Smith & Wesson revolvers are to be left in service, because, apart from excellent combat qualities as a firearm proper, this revolver in a close melee proves itself equally excellent as a melee weapon owing to its great mass and the destructiveness of blows inflicted by it".»
it's a philosophy that works.
Heavy is good heavy is reliable, then is his next breath he says if it doesn't work you can always hit them with it
That seems to be a running trend with Russian guns. Those early Mosin Nagants were long enough that they would use them as actual spears if I remember right. Not to mention they were in now way light-weight. Those rifles doubled as both spears and clubs.
@@KingusDingus
The cudgel-like shape of the M1891's stock also comes to mind...
In America you hit enemy with revolver's bullets. In Mother Russia, you hit enemy with revolver!...😁
One of the popular revolver in Wild West and Russian Empire. Also S&W No.3 is the one of the popular revolver made by Smith & Wesson company. It can reload very easily, combining strength and simplicity of action, readily taken apart and easily cleaned, having entire exchangeability of parts, with a high order of finish. Commended for durability and actual service than Colt Peacemaker.
I would probably take this gun instead of a Nagant to the frontline. What good is a double action trigger when you need a crowbar to fire it. Plus the S&W is quicker to load and fires a more potent cartridge, while only having one less round in the cylinder.
Axel as far as double action goes on my personal Nagant, its pretty heavy but doable, but my fingers are decently strong and I can see how others could have trouble, if I had to fight with it I'd save DA for close range emergencies. There's no argument from me about reloading, its tedious and slow although with practice you can speed it up, you're still going to be left in the dust by the Russian S&W though. 7.62 Nagant isn't a powerhouse , military ammo is near .38 special in performance, but it is low recoil and not super loud, which might be a small comfort in a enclosed space. There isn't an excuse for the Nagant's reload though, and I'm not sure why they designed it that way.
hammer manipulation is much easier than on this beast so even single action operation would be quicker. it beats the nagant by a thousand miles for reloading. one wonders why the russians didnt carry over that feature.
There's a good chance of that, although the Nagant is much smaller and it too has a knuckle for the webbing of your hand to push against, like it's predecessor. I think the Nagant's cylinder design is one of it's many cost saving measures
Da, it would be a good choice.
I’ll take this revolver of anything else at the time. It beats the Reichsrevolver by a mile.
This is the best military arms channel in the history of human existence. I'm really looking forward to the inter-war years episodes!
This hurts me because I know how good C&R is but I can't step away from Ian and Forgotten Weapons.
Always a real treat to hear your views! You are a good source of information!
The fact that Rollin White managed to wangle a hugely lucrative patent he never should have been granted (I mean, how can that idea _not_ fail the "cannot be obvious" test?), but simultaneously was the greatest rube the 19th century ever saw when negotiating his license of same to S&W, warms my heart every time I think about it. The ultimate patent troll of his era, hoist by his own petard.
I wish you had put out a call for .44 rimfire I have a huge supply of oddball and rare rounds I would have been willing to donate a few rounds to see the old gun shoot.
Thanks for giving firearms history a human face. I also like the string quartet as your opening.
You are right about double action. I have a friend who was in the CB’s in Vietnam driving a Bulldozer building a barracks when he was attacked by NVA his issued M1 carbine and 3 15 round magazines ran out he ended up in a ditch at which time 3 NVA soldiers attacked him up close he puller his personal 357 magnum and dispatched all 3 ending his ordeal. He was not injured during all this attack. He is now 84 and still walking this earth.
You realize most old vets still alive didnt actually see combat and will make up stories right? He probably had a good laugh with his american legion buddies at how naive you are
@@nickuva6508 no not this man I had him as a very good friend. I hate to tell you this but he passed away the day before Christmas of 2022. God rest his soul. Amen.
I just want to say that you guys are doing an amazing job, and that if you would rather stick to WWI firearms then I think that by all means you should. I understand about the collaboration between different youtube channels, but my impression is that there are a lot of people who are fans of this channel who don't actively watch those others that are going into WWII (I'm definitely one of those individuals). So I think if you want to stay in WWI then you should 'stick to your guns' (pun intended) and do so :) I'm also looking forward to when you cover some of the earlier weapons (an episode on the Bavarian Werder would be awesome, my brother owns one). Anyway, keep up the great work!
pazu kitsune I know I’m kinda late, but the Werder would be awesome. Seeing it got some very limited militia, police and training duty. It was arguably the most advanced service rifle of its day, seeing that the Prussians were still using the needle gun and the French had their chassepots. I don’t know if there is another breach loader wich you can fire that quickly. I highly doubt that.
I watched one cowboy shooting. He had just gotten it and hadn't gotten a special holster for it. When he went up to shoot, he holstered it. The sight/latch hit the top of the holster. When he drew it and moved his hand forward, the end of the barrel caught the edge of the holster, tipping the barrel down and popping out all of the cartridges. He had successfully dumped all of his ammo on the ground and just stood there with his mouth open while the rest of us tried to take in what had just happened.
quality quality quality...you guys deliver every time.. love your work.. don't compromise. take the time you deem necessary.. thank you very much for your efforts so far, between you and Ian from forgotten arms I am in historic firearm heaven. Happy New Year from Cheshire, England.
Woah . . . you guys and Indy? This could beat Chocolate and Peanut Butter!
After following The Great War, C&Rsenal, and Forgotten Weapons, I stumbled upon Military History Visualised . . . any collaboration between these personal favorites of mine among content creators is welcome and eagerly anticipated.
Sweet stuff.
I cleaned up one carried by a great relative of mine in Texas. Some period gunsmithing was done and they shortened the barrel and added a new front sight. Gun still shoots true after some good cleaning.
50:20 "Cool doesn't always mean sensible." That reminds me of the Desert Eagle. :-)
Спасибо за видео, комментарий в поддержку
Best explanation of the notorious finger rest issue I have ever seen!
like the shot at the Springfield Armory "grip zone" idiocy....you'll know it when you see it
If I were a Russian officer who was going into combat and I had the option of a nagant and its rather weak cartridge or the S&W in .44 Russian that is a man stopper I'm going for the .44 Russian. Yes, I'd prefer to be able to just pull the trigger but I want the person shot to go down after I pull the trigger. If they don't go down shooting them is pretty much a waste of time.
Even a 9mm would kill anybody, and would be absurdly painful. In terms of lethalness, a bullet its a bullet. Except the Kolibri pistol 2.8mm cartridge, its only useful if you get hit right in the face :/
The problem is that they pretty much never had a choice.
In WWII people like my great grandpa were unarmed.
Russians and USSR never knew how to properly share equipment.
@@Schrodingers_kid к сожалению с 1917 года в России всем кто у власти, насрать на людей:Совок-это чудовище, пожирающее само себя и свой народ!
Я уже почти 5 лет живу в Канаде-и здесь хотя бы можно носить (правда в контейнере с замком-но для меня лично в случае чего хватит одной секунды, чтобы открыть, вытащить,взвести и быть готовым к стрельбе)-то оружие, что имеет антикварный статус-я собственно говоря все время так и делаю!Кстати некоторое время назад я таскал именно этот самый Смит Вессон #3-только он у меня оригинал 1874 года выпуска и со стволом 20СМ,а не 16, как на видео!Снаряжал патроны естественно сам-притом этот револьвер хоть и разработан был задолго до появления бездымного пороха-но на самом деле прекрасно выдерживает современные заряды безо всяких повреждений и прочего!Поэтому с моей навеской,которую я использую в этом калибре, выходит у меня начальная скорость пули 14.9 грамм по хронографу от 300 до 330 м/с, это я специально придерживаюсь таких параметров, чтобы у меня выходила скорость дозвуковой-но при этом как можно ближе к скорости звука: так и мощности до хрена и выше-в данном случае 700-800 джоулей, что весьма некисло, учитывая что у любого современного полицейского пистолета в мире-и у Российского Ярыгина, и у Глока, и у Кольта 1911, и у ЦЗ, и в общем-то у всех 9мм и так же у .45 калибра всего 500 джоулей дульной энергии!А ещё и с отливкой пуль в принципе можно при желании такое состряпать, что самому будет стрёмно! Например вместо свинца с примесью сурьмы, использовать таллий с примесью мышьяка-кстати по механике повреждений и по баллистике ничем не отличается от свинца с сурьмой-и пробитие то же самое-только вот стоит такой пулькой попасть в ногу например-и к обычным эффектам,которыми сопровождается попадание обычной пули,добавится то, что если пройдёт навылет-то просто получится очень тяжёлое,а возможно и смертельное отравление этими двумя элементами,а в если пуля застрянет-то здесь практически гарантирован смертельный исход вне зависимости от того, где пуля застрянет! Более того,в отличие от свинцовой пули, с которой после попадания ничего не происходит до самого извлечения, соответственно получается отследить отпечаток нарезки и сопоставить его с базой данных и впоследствии с оружием, из которого был сделан выстрел-то в случае с таллием с примесью мышьяка-он хоть и не так быстро,как какой-нибудь натрий или калий-но растворяется в воде и соответственно в крови!Я когда для эксперимента оставлял пулю 8мм 6.5 грамм,отлитую из этого жутковатого сплава,в воде 40° температурой-через примерно сутки в этой воде на дне оставалось лишь кучка мышьяка в форме очень мелкого порошка-и немного хлопьев гидроксида таллия, который не смог раствориться! Жуткая вещь!А в России ничерта нельзя из этого!
Id choose neither did what most Russian officers did: get a PPSh. If that wasn't available, two Tokarevs , way more powerful than the Nagant revolver, more penetration than the then black powder loaded .44 Russian and held two more shots. Not that anachronistic. 7.63 Mauser will work in a Tokarev safely, just not 7.62 Tokarev in a 7.62 Mauser gun
@@chrismc410 You are talking about guns that didn't exist during WW I.
Small addition for Mae: Where is S&W #3 Russian 1880 "officer" model, which is Double Action...
Thanks for the late night videos
Once again other interests and games have me wandering back to CnR's fine knowledge base.
I heard somewhere, (I think it was forgotten weapons), that the Russians wanted the trigger guard spur because, at the time, the Russian cavalry carried their pistols in a sash around the waist, and the spur would keep the heavy pistol from falling through.
It might be interesting to research into whether they issued these weapons with holsters or not.
I am not being critical, but I am very curious.
Always enjoy your shows,
Wesley J. Warnke
Othais, I've seen the Grabenfeger (MP-18) on the wall behind you during the Great War Russian Weapons live stream. Can't hide it from us anymore, old chap.
Thanks, Michael!
I usually get confused with the animations but im surprised now simple the internal parts are
Happy New Year Mae and Othias
And happy New Year to you too.
S&W oh I'm playing both sides so I always come out on top.
This Is A Great Video. Thanks For Your Knowledge
Excellent series. I am interested in the mechanics of firearms, particularly semi auto handguns. Your treatment of the issue is ne plus ultra.
Great show!
Mae says I should " use both hands to get a positive pull on it".
Sounds reasonable to me. 🤭
27:48 in Russian: "S&W (with 2 mistakes) weapon factory city of Springfield America"
Correct - "СмИта И Вессона оружейная фабрика г. Спрингфильдъ Америка"
And 2 mistakes in "ИмператорскiЙ тУльскiй оружейный заводъ"
Is this based off image searching the slides or off just reading it?
No one cares commie.
Both - Russian is my native language.
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@PickelJars, really? Understanding cyrillic makes you a commie? Fuck off with your cold war mentality, you've already won, mate.
What ever you say tinkerbell.
From how I always had it explained to me, the aim and shoot explanation is the same reason the model of M4 and M16 that have been standard issue to US military are semi and 3 round burst, as opposed to the models that have full auto. Makes sense to me.
Mae is the epitome of the classic Carolina girl. Her perspective is always welcome and reminds me of my wife.
Watch the Americans in The Mummy (1999) make single action work well in emergency close quarters during the ferry shootout scene. ;)
In relation to the Russians keeping single action after Russo-Turkish War.
You don't need the sights, it's a point shooter! S&W wouldn't have a clue on how to make this awesome revolver today!
GREAT WORK !!! ESPECIALLY (( THE STAR - MAE )) !
The fact that someone managed to patent a hole through a metal tube scares me.
Happy New Year! As usual an excellent, educational video! I do have two questions about this particular S&W design. Over the last five decades I've seen any number of references to a big order from Czarist Russia for these revolvers that A) Due to the Russian Revolution were never paid for which SUPPOSEDLY nearly bankrupted S&W and B)That despite documentation of delivery, NO WWI Russian contract revolvers have ever shown up on the collectors market. I have yet to find a definitive answer to either "A" or "B". How about y'all? I think the design is absolutely classic and beautiful in it's own right and I hope, one day, to own a modern reproduction in a caliber that is correct to the original revolver (and .45 Colt's an't it).
FD Mackey The story I have heard is that the Russians first purchased these revolvers in the 1870's, for gold. This would have been 40 years before the Russian Revolution of 1917. The only time I have heard of Smith and Wesson being in financial difficulties was when the contract rifle for the British in the beginning of WW2 was a piece of junk and they had to substitute revolvers to them instead of fulfilling the contract. There may have been other times, but that is what I recall reading about.
John Dilday, thanks for the kind and timely response! I've seen/read the same reports you have regarding the contract rifle. I often wondered, in pre-internet days especially, why in the wide world of sports the Russian army would order NEW production revolvers, from S&W, that were already obsolete long before the beginning of WWI. References to just such a contract and delivery on same were made in several firearms related magazines in the late 1960s and even well into the 2000s though those references became fewer and further between over the years. I also recall seeing very brief mention of such a contract in a WWI (not specific to any particular firearm but to WWI in general) histories published, again, between the 1960s and early 2000s. But we all know that there are any number of "histories" that exist that conflict with one another to the point of creating mass confusion among readers. Now that I think about it, thanks to your reminder, I wonder if some "historians" managed to get their wires completely crossed up and confused the S&W sales that WERE paid for with the failed WWII rifle sale to the British. It would make perfect sense that a hurried and/or unprofessional researcher (deadlines are not the friends of writers or researchers) managed to "rewrite" history to the extent that OTHER, LATER writers and researchers simply used incorrect data and included it in THEIR historical writings as fact. I know that it's happened in other fields over the decades that I have been around and I'm sure it will continue long after I'm gone. Again, thanks for your response!
What is the song playing during Mae's firing demonstration?
The Russians Were Rushin', the Yanks Started Yankin'
Found it thanks.
It would better, if Lady compares Colt SAA and this one
Fingers crossed for you to do WWII too.😃
Compared to a Nagant though? The Nagant double action trigger is basically single action.
I laughed aloud at the "grip zone" reference.
Also will we be seeing the double action version of the break action smith and wesson?
I have a 1889 Tula made one my grandfather brought back from fighting the Japanese in World War II. from what research I've done I would guess it was captured in the 1905 Russo Japanese war and the trigger guard with the spur was removed and a different smooth trigger guard put on to it possibly to match the Japanese models I wonder if this was done at the Arsenal or if somebody did it themselves. And the only reference I could find to them being used in World War II was that during the occupation of Japan a warehouse was liberated that had a bunch of antique weapons and the Russian 44s were some of those. My grandfather never told me where he got it from but he was there from the Battle of Los negros to the occupation of Japan. Unfortunately Decades of kids playing Cowboys and Indians with it a couple of screws are missing. The top cylinder removal screw and the screw that goes through the hammer. I was wondering where to get a replacement screw for the one that goes through the Hammer and wonder if one from one of the reproductions would fit or what the thread pitch is. I would love to fire it but the mechanism doesn't work without the screw going through the hammer
Try numrich or eBay off the top of my head. Many other sites too. You could also take it to a good gunsmith, it'll cost far less than you think and even if you never fire it it will be good to display for years. I'm sure if it's in good shape you can shoot it though, and you should! Guns are pieces of history that are meant to be shot, just take care of them and they will outlive you and me.
lunarpking I have looked for parts off and on for years and I can't even find out what the thread pitch is, if I could I could just order some screws. I made a little short video that shows it and the other handgun my grandfather brought back. I found a hex screw that sort of fits but I wouldn't trust it to try and fire the gun it would probably mess up the threads on the hammer and it's also missing the spring for the cylinder lock because the Japanese trigger guard had a tendency to try and fall out before I modified it recently. I've left it alone over the years while I built up experience working on other guns because I didn't want to mess it up anymore than it was but now that I have lupus I don't know how much time I have left, last 3 years been hell and so I've got more interested in trying to fix it lately. I've asked my dad why they never fired it back in the day because they used to reload for 44 Magnum and he doesn't have a good answer it was just like a lot of vet bring back stuff given to the kids to play with.
You need to take the unloaded gun to a "Fastenal" shop. They will measure the size and pitch of the threaded holes and most likely have the screws in stock. The problem is they have a minimum order. I Needed 3 replacement screws for a scope mount for a Russian sniper scope mount but I purchased about 350 of them to meet their minimum order price. I was very pleased though to find them and put the rifle back in fire
ing shape.
Every time I see a schofield/smith and wesson model 3 I wish someone made a real AGL Arms .45 Long Colt
Ah, I see you're a Trigun fan as well. Yeah I'd buy that too. Perfect moral self defense weapon, just aim for non lethal hits.
@@kitchenjail3546 and use rubber bullets
this makes me wounder how many old handguns that are going to be digged out for wwll
Whats that rifle in the back just above Mae's head when she's talking about the pistol?
Got an original but in very bad shape, I try to restore it, not easy
Mae with a Thompson 😍
Mas is mad because Mae don't need no tactical stance :)
Sure it's a handsome gat but will it take Glock magazines?
One per chamber, bro. :-D
Glock? You’re on the wrong channel there, bud.
4.2 linear (10.67mm) Smith-Wesson revolver of the Zgo model Russia 1893 How much does it cost in perfect condition?
24:00 Don't piss May off!!
This make me wonder, why did Russian later on replaced this with the less smoother revolver like Nagant revolver later on?
EricPaz double action & modern cartridge, just off the top of my head.
I've shot both, this is a formidable weapon, the nagant is entirely useless. I'd rather have a 3lb rock.
Maciej Pociecha yes, a modern, anemic cartridge.
+ russian goverment wanted to produce it inside russia.
Because the Nagan its a far better weapon, hands down.
Pros on the S&W. The cartridge its a bit more powerfull. But not a lot. The milspec of the Nagant are 6.5 g at 330m/s. Thats 350 J, rougly the same that a 38spc. The S&W it´s 16g at 230m/s, for 420 J. Ratio 6/7
Pros on the Nagant
Double action instead of single
7 shots instead of 6
850g of weight instead of 1350
235 mm of lenght instead of 305mm
2.1 Kg*m/s of recoil instead of 3.6Kg*m/s
80+/- cartridges per kilo of ammo instead of 50
What song are you using during the shooting segment?
Matthew Arenson Darude - Sandstorm
@@D3faulted1 F you
I wonder how many of them are stored in some forgotten warehouse in Russia, as the Russians never seem to scrap anything that goes bang.
please, please. please dont shorten ww1 in favor of ww2. ww1 history has been getting the short straw to ww2 for 75+ years now. if you need to just release videos more slowly. im sure many would agree with me that waiting longer for content is totally worth it for more depth of coverage.
Was Colt SAA used in WW1
guess I'm not sleeping tonight, rly tho thanks for the content you're all the best there is
Who needs sleep when we have C&Rsenal?
I'm a bit miffed with the "i can only shoot 2 guys with this" idea.
It's a FIVE SHOOTER. How many guys do you want to kill with one drum full of bullets? Five? Don't be ridiculous. If you find yourself with just a revolver against five guys that have also guns of their own, the hands go to the sky, damnit.
The dedication to film this on New Year's Eve, and then presumably edit the next day to upload that night, is what sets you guys apart. I am constantly amazed by how hard you work to bring this incredible product to us consistently. I wish I could send you guys a couple extra weeks to take a vacation.
Yep that's commitment with a capital C , but then it is C&R , so not a surprise Really .
Funny part is....
I'm watching this on New Years Eve three years later....
You are correct - №3 saw use in Bulgaria at first as part ot the armament of the unit commanders of the bulgarian volontiers who fight along with the russian army in the war against the ottoman empire 1877-1878 (ofcourse they were supplied by the russian empire ). From veiggly memories I have seen these (in museum collections here in Bulgaria) as part of the weapons used in Bulgarian Serbian war of 1885 and at least the first Balkan war of 1912-13 and the Second Balkan War of 1913, so I presume that at least some of the revolvers use in the Russo-Ottoman war of 1877-1878 were gifted or sold to the newly formed Bulgarian army (after 1878) and is possible that some were purchased from Russia in the years after 1878 at least for use by the commanding officers and cavalry. They always have been described as S&W model №3 Russian.
Keep the good work thru the new year.
One thing that you did not discuss in this video was the Schofield model of the night of the model three Smith & Wesson this gun was adopted and then canceled due to its unique cartridge 45 Schofield versus 45 long colt 52:21
28:11
A few misspellings. I assume you punched them in by eyeing the markings on the gun.
Смита и Вессона оружейная фабрика г. Спрингфилдъ Америка
And ИМПЕРАТОРСКIЙ тульскiй оружейный заводъ 1890 г.
1st is "Smith and Wesson's arms factory, city of Springfield, America"
2nd is "IMPERIAL Tula Arms Plant, y. 1890"
I have an original 1874 S&W Russian Model 3, ( Russian contract) . I'm looking for an enthusiastic collector who can preserve and make use of this great piece of History. Please do let me know if anyone is interested in buying it.
@@antiquelover007 Barking up the wrong tree with me for practical reasons I'm afraid, since I'm not in the US, which I assume is where you are; and don't have a gun license right now otherwise in either case.
Good luck with finding a buyer though!
@@bowmen08 thanks buddy, btw the one i have has the 1st one engraved. Can you please tell me which one better or rare? TIA
@@antiquelover007 Oh, shoot, it's been a while since I've seen this video so I don't remember off the top of my head what Othais said. But, the 1st engraving means it was a revolver made in the US for Russia; the 2nd means it was made in Russia, in the Tula Arms Plant; I'd imagine an S&W made in Russia would probably be more valued as a cool piece.
@@bowmen08 alright thanks alot , please do hook me up with a serious collector/ buyer though. I want it to be preserved, thing is old and itd be a shame to lose it. Cheers
I can confirm the awesomeness of the Uberti replica, go for it Mae! The cylinder removal is a bit of a hybrid between the Russian and new model.
Last time I was this early the Tsar still had power...
The last time you were this early was 101 years ago? Because the last time I was in power was 101 years ago...
Shhhhh. Lenin might hear you.
Last time I was this early, the warp didn’t exist
TokyoExpress - He already killed me a century ago (it'll be 100 years on July 17th). What more could that embalmed commie do to me? He's just as dead as I am.
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I can't wait to go to sleep-
*C&Rsenal has uploaded a new video*
Well nevermind then.
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I'd like to order a large...
Last time I was this early the FIRST battle of the Isonzo was still raging.
Cadorna needs Red Foreman from "That 70's Show" to put a foot up his ass! How many times do you have to fight on the same river and lose without changing your battle plan.
On WWI vs WWII I say finish WWI before moving on. You guys are knee deep head down in it, finish it out. We'll wait.
I've loved every episode and looking forward to buying the book.
Happy New Year!
Real men shoot 308 interleaving both sounds quite good, a lot of small arms have histories that carry on past WWI, in some ways it's bit of an arbitrary cut off, so many episodes can cover both and be a bit longer. Then just intersperse that with WW1/2 specific episodes.
Maciej Pociecha that doesnt make sense to do now.
Alistair Shaw there's a massive WW2 project going on with Great War Forgotten Weapons C&Rsenal and a few others for the 80th Anniversary.
From what I've heard it sounds like an epic idea.
Dylan Asmus i know that. What i ment was the long ww1 and 2 episides just have them seperate
The first time, I saw one of these, I thought it was a Target Pistol. The Hook on the trigger guard and the hump on the backstrap reminded me of 18th Century Dueling Pistols.
Shatner commas!
Turns out women’s pants tiny pockets are ideal for holding cartridges.
I personally find it amusing the rise of double action revolvers. Ive been firing revolvers for some fifty years and for the most part always fire them single action. I personally find the Smith and Wesson top break vastly better than the Colt in actual use.
Once again, a complete story told sensibly without idle chatter. Well done you two!
.44 Russian bullets and, I think, casings were recovered at the Ipatiev House and the Four Brothers mine. So that's one documented use.
As someone who owns a few rollingblocks, I really want that Remington pistol. Logic be damned
I would say that could be arranged for one to be sent from the stockpiles at my Imperial Arsenal at Tula, but I've been dead for pushing 100 years, Mr. President.
I thought you where dead
I can't imagine a squirrel not wanting to cuddle in that beard.
38:50 "like fighting a squirrel that doesn't want to cuddle" :D
S&W No.3 is the one of the popular revolver made by Smith & Wesson company. It can reload very easily, combining strength and simplicity of action, readily taken apart and easily cleaned, having entire exchangeability of parts, with a high order of finish. Commended for durability and actual service than Colt Peacemaker.
I used to own an original 3rd model Russian and did not appreciate the trigger guard spur like you both showed us. If I did, the fact that the hammer spur felt a mile away wouldn’t have happened. I have a New Model 3 Target Model .44 converted to .22 by a railroad blacksmith in the 20s and would love that spur on the trigger. Not that I feel it’s needed on this model, but because it’s just very cool. by the way, that .22 shoots great.
S&W No.3 is one of the popular revolver made by Smith&Wesson company. It’s too bad that this pistol that loose by Colt Peacemaker.
I'm going to sleep, it's back to work early in the morn... NOPE new C&Rsenal video.
I really have to disagree with Mae on this one, as much of a disadvantage as single action may be, it's reliable and a heavy hitter, I would take this hands down any day of the week no takebacksees over a Langenhan, Steyr Piper, Dreyse, or Jager pistol, those where some combination of honestly awfully built, unreliable and all in a weak calibre. plus like you said the No. 3 is big enough that you could club someone to death with if you run out of ammo or get jammed.
Really? New Year's Eve? I am amazed that you two have that kind of dedication. Thank you so much for all you do. That being said, I would not be upset if you were to take a bit of time to enjoy a well deserved break. Thank you for providing so much amazing content, especially to do so freely. It really is the highlight of my week whenever I get to watch your videos.
Девчонка просто невозможно красивая.И болтливая.Прелесть.
Died of something nobody expected, hmmm... Spanish Inquisition maybe?
The spanish inquisition ended in 1834, but was mostly phased out in the 1700's. Also people like to talk like millions were killed during the inquisition, though in reality the numbers are more like 3,000-5,000 executed.
But millions more were tortured, exiled, or forced to convert. It also stalled intellectualism in Iberia
Eli A , I think it is a Monty python reference. He's not actually........
The American Army lucked out on this gun and instead listened to that whiny Colt knob. Sure the Peacemaker was more iconic but the Model 3 was the real king of revolvers during that period.
With the Peacemaker aka Colt SAA, you'll have to load it one round individually thru the loading gate and same goes to ejection and that was a hassle for men on horseback (That was one of the factor that sped up the destruction of Custer's men during the Battle of Little Big Horn) but with the Model 3, it's easy when you just crack the top open, yank the barrel side down and all the rounds would be ejected. Move the gun to your rein hand and start loading it and once loading is complete, just snap it back and continuously fire at the enemies. In fact the Webley proved their worth on how a hasten reload could save lives in both major wars they fought like the 2nd Boer War.
Jun Kitami the one thing you have to remember is that the US Army Schofield didn’t have a spurred trigger guard like the Russian no3. The Schofield would have been far more awkward to manipulate in cocking it as a result. I think the Russian no3 was better then the peacemaker, but the Schofield, would’ve had mediocre ergonomics compared to the peacemaker. So it’s a matter of faster loading vs better ergonomics and faster firing.
S&w handles like shit from horseback, and is weak and fragile? Go "yanking" on one and it'll soon loosen up. Shoot one much and it'll loosen up. The cylinder is too short for .45 colt because .45 colt would rapidly use one up. Colt is slower to unload, but infinitely better in every other way. Top break is awesome, but even today it gives too much in strength.
The weak and fragile argument was made up by Colt and his employees themselves to keep their contract and of course, to kick S&W in the nuts. The .45 Colt can't fit in the Schofield because it was a bit longer to fit in the American Model 3 while the Peacemaker could fit both. Plus the top break rigidity issue was utter crap as both lasts as long as the shooter could fire, even till their deathbed calls for them. Plus if your gate loaders are so useful, it won't be killed off directly after WWII with the Nagant while top breaks are still in use up to the 21st Century with the REX.
Sure having a solid frame is stronger but does that mean it's useless against the Peacemaker and waaay inferior? Fuck no.
Jun Kitami, you don't own one of these, do you, lol.
Btw, Samuel Colt died in 1862.
Didn't say gate loading was the way to go, although as a cavalry arm the saa is easier to load on horseback.
Full house black powder .45 colt, if it would chamber them, would shoot out an original s&w in a couple hundred rounds.
The saa points like an extension of your arm. The schofield, not so much. Hitting your target rapidly, and by point shooting is important with a pistol.
I owned a Model 3 Russian "7 at one point and that thing was a pleasant to fire with it's massively easy reloading procedure that only those side swing revolvers can compete. Sure the sight isn't bad but I had no issues lining it up target and mind you, there's 0 refurbishment done on it till the time I had it in 2008 which I sold it out with my other guns when I migrated back to my home country. I also owned a repro Italy made SAA and I still shot the Model 3 more than the SAA with still 0 works done when I sold both out. Instead, I had to get the plunger spring for the ejector for the SAA after firing just 200 rounds with it.
Aesthetically, I love this revolver and always have. In a beauty contest, Sam Colt can shove his Patersons, Walkers and Peacemakers. Also the operation of it and features remind me of Ja-Ru and Imperial cap guns from the 80s and early 90s. Now that I got that outta my system, onto my original point. One of the things I like to do when I can actually see an historical price for old guns is adjust it for inflation to give me an idea of the gun's value in relative terms. What I found with this was interesting: The first model was still cheaper than the subsequent models even with the thirty-five cent price break. Adjusted for inflation, the first model was $324.51 when you convert 1874 dollars to 2018 dollars. Now, when you convert fifteen 1878 dollars to 2018 dollars, the price per unit comes out to $363.24. I wonder if fluctuation in gold prices or, perhaps, a drop in the American dollar's value didn't have something to do with what would seem a price break in the subsequent models. Either or both is possible as this was before 1971 and we weren't yet using fiat currency.
I know this is old, so no one may ever see it. However there was training on reloading a top-break in combat. The traditional training was to carry the gun cross-draw in the holster. When reloaded in combat, the soldier was trained to break the barrel with the off-hand, hold the gun, by the barrel, in that off-hand (ouch!), while while loading ammunition with the dominate hand since ammo is carried on that side of the belt. Once reloaded, the gun was to taken in the dominant hand by the grip, close, and resume firing in combat.
That’s long, but it was the training method for handgun use by the British Army for its Wesley revolvers. Maybe that could be used somewhere.
Why "ouch!"? They would have worn gloves probably
All of the things that make the Russian nice to shoot are things that handicap thumbing the hammer. The hump on the back strap stabilizes the grip, but obstructs the thumb. The straight angle of the grip makes the gun point naturally, but lengthens the reach to the hammer. The weight and length of the gun aid in the gross function of pointing/aiming, but completely bungle the fine manipulations of cycling the action. The Model 3 was legendary as a target revolver, with no real equal for many years, but as a 20th Century sidearm, it’s just not viable. I guess 30 years of proud, trusted service in the Wild East will have to suffice. Great video, you guys are awesome!
Eu tenho um model 3, single and double action, niquelado, 1880, funcionando perfeitamente. Entretanto não tenho munição!
The ironic part is that Rollin White's original idea was completely idiotic and poorly thought out.But it included it's dumbest feature, the bored through cylinder.
New drinking game. Take a swig whenever you hear the word "purchase".
Why is it that no one ever says, grip or hold when they talk about holding a gun?
"While we are as excited as everyone else..."
Cut to Mae with an MP40. :D
I get that it is not a gun that you would carry to war (WWI)...but what about carrying it in the Old West , say 1880s...
“Nice.” Othais is watching MRE reviews. :)
While Mae shoots: question: what is the tune?
Wang Dang Sweet Poontang
TAOFLEDERMAUS That sounds like another one of OG's band names lol.
thanks
Kinda disappointed that it wasn't a Russian song