That bimmer was a 3/4 series with a 3.0 straight six not an m product, stock power around 300hp and 250kmh vmax limited, an actual M5 with M Drivers Package is limited to 305kmh
I have BMW i4 M50. Usually I am a person who drives fast on German autobahn, so when I stayed at max 228kph for longer than 10-15min it started thermal throttling reducing power, slowing me down slowly decreasing vmax. also battery drained sooo much. On my trip 226km I had to charge twice after staring with 80%, charging to 50% and then again 50%. When going 180 constant same route I was able to do entire trip with exactly 80% soc. Thought this might be some cool things to know for you.
Thanks for another great video Bjørn! In fact your original 200km/h hammering video in the Model 3 Performance was part of what convinced me to get one myself, as I was not happy with the apparent Autobahn capability of the OG Model S, but you showed how Model 3 can actually drive fast, and do it for quite some time without having a meltdown!... Now in real life on a 1000km+ family vacation trip, the time over 200km/h is so tiny compared with all the STAU etc, so even when you hammer it there is still enough range, but it's just nice to know that the car CAN move when it needs to! Really look forward to the constant 200km/h test with Plaid, and to see how it differs with it's little brother - Model 3 Performance!
@@wilhelmtell3427 5-10 min, and then you hit traffic or road construction = 80km/h for a while, and then back to 200 etc… you end up having an acceptable range that matches when you need to pee… is my experience
At 37:10 you can clearly see thets an coupe 4 series, with 2 pipes exhauses, that means is just an 6zyl. Turbo charged diesel ore Gasoline engine, m car have 4 pipes
If you don't use track mode the car simply doesn't cool the battery as much as it can because it tries to be efficient, also I think it limit the v max, that's why it stop at 260km/h. You should try with track mode
already done regularly by a German EV channel (Andreas Haehnel). he is much faster on 1000km because he uses a stabdard route of open Autobahnen mainly without any speed limit
It was a 440i (F32 LCI) with that infamous B58 In-line six cylinder engine. It produces 240kw and will be remembered as one of the greatest ICEs. Silky smooth, powerful yet relatively efficient.
A work colleague in management managed to get an i4 M50 as a company car, lucky man! Despite having an EV myself, I was still shocked how fast that thing accelerated.
I have one too. Usually I am a person who drives fast on German autobahn, so when I stayed at max 228kph for longer than 10-15min it started thermal throttling reducing power, slowing me down slowly decreasing vmax. also battery drained sooo much. On my trip 226km I had to charge twice after staring with 80%, charging to 50% and then again 50%. When going 180 constant same route I was able to do entire trip with exactly 80% soc. Thought this might be some cool things to know for you.
I finally convinced my SO to switch our e-Golf '16 with a model Y LR. Just recently got the car and already completed a 3700km round trip from the arctic north of Norway through south Sweden and returning north again. The most pleasant way traveling by road ever imagined by me, just a fabulous vehicle. Such a game changer going from 170 km range to 500+ range, no worries about charging, alas the old e-Golf had reduced our fuel expenditures with at least 90% as we did not travel far by car with small childrens anyways.
2300 amps? that is the real insane part. i make batteries for scooters and stuff and they "only" make 500 amps or so. pro tip: if you enable track mode it also unlocks the higher top speed.
Haha... Bjørn's comments are priceless. A nice video that clearly shows that even the best electric cars are still a little short of the best ordinary cars when it comes to overall performance. When this is mentioned, it is undoubtedly really impressive how fast the development is with the electric cars. I think that within 3-5 years even the BMW M5 will be redundant.
In what way? Not many ICE vehicles can reach such top speeds, and even then they would likely overheat faster if they maintain that for this long. It would require spending many times more on more exotic solutions, at which point we start talking about super EVs like the Rimac Nevera etc. th-cam.com/video/bh6HkIEUTDQ/w-d-xo.html Also keep in mind that Bjorn was not even using track mode, which provides stronger cooling, more regenerative braking options, and a higher top speed.
With track mode you can reduce or eliminate regen fully, and use the brakes like on an ICE car, and then you dont heat up the battery and motors the same way.
I may sound grouchy and boring, but are you sure you want to do these sub-300 km/h runs? You have a family to care for. I don't underestimate your skill but an animal or just debris/trash could mess things up.
I think you are wrong about the battery temperature limiting the power, it might be limiting some times - but most time not. Look at the F stator temperature, it is much more correlating to the limiting power and the cooling Powertrain flow is running at 29-30 lpm all the time, whilst the battery cooling is running lower. If we could have seen the temperature of the inverter and the rear stators, I think we, more clearly, would have seen the cause of limiting power.
Isn't it possible to turn on track mode but also keep the traction control at max? That way you get the best of both worlds in terms of stronger regen/cooling while still having the car behave as usual in terms of active safety?
37:11 to me, it looks more like an BMW f32 or f36 (4er coupé or grancoupé) rather than an M5. There are also only 2 exhaust Pipes (1 on the left, the other on the right), instead of 4, as far as I could see. Nevertheless, the top engines also run 250 km/h. ✌🏼
yeah it's a 440i b58. Also when he pulled away I could immediately hear the sound of the straight six. Tesla people can't even distinguish I6 vs V8 sound or see the difference between a 4 coupé vs a 5 series lol😁 If you think a 440i is an M5 you literally know nothing about cars
@@zdx197 no need for hating anyway. In the end, it doesn‘t matter, as this Video is all about the Plaid. I just remarked it as a footnote. To be honest, a 440i will still not be recognized anymore in a few years 😀
@@zdx197 Bro, don't get me wrong. I have the last naturally aspirated V8 engine in my SL 63 AMG in my garage for sunny days 🫡. But that's a little bit different to a bread and butter 40i Bimmer motor. Anyway, what I want to say is, that Björns Videos are all about EV, so that my prior remarks are just remarks, not more not less. But if you watch björns videos, you should not be the ultra combustion engines freak, otherwise you would be disappointed every time 😄🤙
@@B.O.Z.5 haha, I've driven plenty of AMG's myself, and the n/a 6.2 v8 sounds absolutely amazing. But this bread and butter 40i bimmer motor with just bolt ons and a tune is gonna completely gap your SL63 AMG. Is your SL63 still a cooler car ? Ofcourse. If you go real crazy and go big turbo it's gonna also completely gap a Plaid as if it was standing still. This is the same engine (b58 40i) in a supra (vs a Plaid) th-cam.com/video/rxp_Yrmx8Sg/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=AutoGlory
That beamer was a 435i. I hope Evs can catch up in endurance. That's my main problem, power limit and decimated range. Will miss the glorious sound though, just listen to the beamer!
You keep saying you think the battery is the limitation but when you lose significant amounts of power the stator temps go over 100 degrees. Seems to correlate much more to power loss alongside the SOC than battery temp which was pretty consistent.
Look at the battery when I hammer it. The temperature goes up by whopping 1.5 degrees from just *one* hard acceleration. That's where the biggest losses are. The loss in stator is already measured. Remember that the meter for how much enery is used is measuring what goes out from the battery.
Yep, the only thing i miss in CarScanner dash is rear stator temeratures. For instance, at 24:56 pwrlimit is 232kW. Within 60 seconds, at 25:56 pwrlimit went up to 377kW (1.5+ times), but battery cooled down only by 1deg (top sensor), bottom sensor even raised by 0.5deg.
@@bjornnyland Track mode with regen set to 0, then you will reduce the heat generation significantly (but have to rely on the not so good brakes completely). 👍🏻
Car scanner also gives the GPS speed on my VW Polo. Very strange.. the speedo says 110kph, while the GPS speed is then 103 kph for instance. 83kph on the dash is 80kph on car scanner/GPS... Sounds similar to this! My car computer has not been calibrated but I have original rim size (185/60R15) Polo 6R 1.2TSI
Thanks again for another Video, great to see your enthusiasmus. You have more German attitude than you think 😂. However, you "confuse" people when you flash at them and drive by in a Tesla. Normally they are used to flashing lights only from Audi or BMW 😆. It seems like a cliché, but many Tesla usually drive in the slipstream of trucks on the Autobahn ☺
Interesting. My 2015 P85D does 250kmh on ze Autobahn no problem. About to try a 2017 P100DL, and imagine it's the same 250kmh limit, also. I mainly only drive 150km/h because that's the top speed that Autopilot still works ;)
Bjørn, once you get yet another Tesla Model S with carbon ceramic brakes and you have the chance to go to Germany, will you test it out on the autobahn at 328 kph? Btw, without carbon ceramics it is suppose to do 265 kph in plaid mode and 280 kph in track mode. With carbon ceramics, it will do 322 kph in plaid mode and 328 kph in track mode. You can activate track mode even outside of the track to get higher top speed.
It is totally fine to drive that fast on the Autobahn, even hugging the left lane is not that much of an issue as long as you are fast enough. But you should know that flashing others in your lane just because you want them to get out of your way is actually a crime which can result in either a fine or imprisonment. So your video (7 min 4 sec) is basically evidence. Using the flasher is allowed when you want to warn others before you overtake them BUT this only applies when they are not in your lane already. It is just meant to prevent them to suddenly enter your lane.
If you flash once, you're ok. The law says you can flash to signal you want to overtake, that's all. Even on country roads where you are obviously in the same lane.
Loved this. I just came back from Germany, enjoying 160 kph ( I know, we Americans are a bit squeamish : ) on the Autobahn with a Mercedes GLC 250. I got 9 l/100k. I wish I could try out my Cadillac CTS at these speeds, never mind the 260 kph that you do : )
Oh, I see, Marcus didn‘t lend you the top notch spec‘d TMS Plaid, red calibers unlocked perf?!! 🤔🤷But TB nailed it. Very fun video! Thx TB. You‘re the star!
Taken my Plaid on German Autobahn 4 times thus far. It's the king when above 75% state of charge. At lower states of charge it feels like power output is reduced. I don't think it's bat temp related. I was concerned about brakes, but frankly they work very well. Considering the track pack. But properly only of real value on tracks.
Would love to see face to face comparison of plaid vs taycan turbo s ina stretch of autobahn to compare high speed temps and consumption + the second gear advantage.
On which car do you need to move your hands away from the steering wheel to activate the turn signal or the wipers? You just simply use the forefinger 🤷♂ And moving your thumb to press a button, makes you loose more grip control over the steering wheel than moving the forefinger up and down.
Do I understand correctly. You have driven only 141km and it was almost fully discharged? Is each electric car this crappy? In Germany I drive often 200km/h for almost 3 hour and I have still gasoline left.
Tried the 260+kph once in my Model 3 AWD - just to see if the specs were accurate...yes, they are (and yes, it's scary). Not something I want to try again in a hurry.
Its not a big deal, at least not with a powerful car that gets you quickly to those speeds, but you have to stay alert, and its really the speed difference between the vehicles thats the biggest issue. The first time will get you SHOCKED how quickly you will catch up other cars that moves left to pass a lorry or whatever at 120-130, you will most likely feel that you have plenty of time, start decellerating slowly, regen/engine braking, and then as you approach you will realize you dont have a lot of time and braking harder and harder until you really have to stand on it. Its quite an eyeopener when it happens. 😳
Continous power is disappointing, only 1/6 of the peak power. 131kw (time 38:00) instead of 775kw (time 6:40). That means the cooling ability is the limiting factor. Using peak power is drawing 6 times the current, and therefore generates 36 times more heat. That means that doubling the cooling system capability by a factor of 10 will still be far from allowing continous use of peak power
This is when I do crazy acceleration. I have a video coming out later where I drove at constant 200 km/h. In that more common scenario, we had no overheating and no power limits.
@@bjornnyland that makes sense, because even though it is a heavy car it is very aerodynamic, and probably needs only 75KW to maintain 200 km/h. That is 1/10 of peak power, so only 1/100 of the heat is generated. It is actually less than 1C discharge rate, so not much strain on the battery
Excluding the battery, motors+inverters are rated in the area of 350kW continuous power at an undisclosed speed. But at high speed i expect less, profile is not constant like for the peak power.
Batteriet med lavere intern motstand finnes. Jeg har selv prøvd det ut. Det fungerer og kan ta i mot ladning mye mye raskere og også levere større strømstyrke uten å gå varm. Det er basert på grafen og har en enorm overflate. 1 gram grafen har en overflate lik en fotballbane. Problemet er å få det masseprodusert. Med dette batteriet så blir elbil et reelt alternativ.
If the car is moving sideways drafting right or left or moving constantly right to left first thing you should do is to check wheel 🛞 alignment position. All four wheels should point straight forward in a straight line. And caster and camber toe in should be adjusted accordingly for perfect straight line steering whit no effort needed to hold the car in a straight line on the highway. You should be able to let your hands 🙌 go of the steering wheel and the car should always go in a straight line on a smooth highway surface If it,s not the case your wheels are out of alignment. You can easily se this standing and looking at back wheels angle 📐 from distance compared to front wheels 🛞. I f Wheel alignment is totally out off whack and one back wheels are pointing sideways out of position you even get noise from the back wheel . If the wheels are vibrating much in some speed ratios check tire balancing and if one of the balance weights are missing. Worst case scenario someone is sabotaging the car when you are on toilet adding balance weights to the rim of the wheel and adjusting the wheel alignment to out of position for worst handling possible so you can only drive 100-120 KM/H on Autobhan top speed before the car gets impossible to handle. Motive for sabotage is possibly targeting higher speed driving which in Germany 🇩🇪 Autobahn is legal. That’s said high speed testing is better on closed circuit motor sport arena air field -straights or car testing grounds for better safety.
746 kW, seen at 3:06 min into the video, means that the battery can provide exactly 1000 horse power as you enter the German highway. You max. available power was 775 kW which is 1040 horse power....insane! Great video
I personally have zero belief that Tesla will fit 200kWh of batteries into the Roadster. The wheelbase is shorter than a Model S that can "only" fit in 101kWh. The Roadster they demonstrated was probably 50kWh but with more batteries in parallel to achieve the 2second 0-60 time (wired for power but not range, so maybe with only 150miles of range, not the 600 miles it was advertised as). The original Roadster was only about 45kWh. Tesla sold a $40k upgrade to this that increased it to about 56kWh IIRC. But these were all batteries behind the seat. the car is so low it won't be able to fit 2170 or 3650s below the floor - definitely not vertically. I seriously suspect the reason we've not seen the Roadster is Elon would be called out on his 200kWh lie. That is unless Tesla can aquire some of the supposed 600w/kg batteries being developed by CATL. Tesla's batteries are still in the low-mid 250w/kg range.
That car is a monster but it has it flaws with the overheating. You can check Randy Pobst's Pikes Peak climb from this year with the Plaid. There are stats displayed and you can clearly see the power limit creeping down. People always say that electric cars are better for hill climbs because they don't suffer from the lack of oxygen at higher altitudes like an ICE but they forget that in order to keep that power all the way up, you will need good cooling. Anyways, I always enjoy those autobahn videos, keep it up.
Nope. It can run longer than that and have higher power than that. Maybe you mixed up kW and hp... And for 200 km/h continous run, no power limit and no overheating. Video about it coming soon.
At 35:13 had over 530kw available and after 20sec of full throttle to 240kmh, it was back under 200kw... That's a shame... but that's the weak spot of the electric cars: battery overheating and needs better cooling ...
Looks like AC simply didn't kick in to cool down battery air inlet. It should, even without Race mode. Regular Model Y began hard battery cooling by AC after 90 seconds of this clip: th-cam.com/video/kwtl-U8ZcNI/w-d-xo.html
back in 1996 i was able to take a 911 turbo from Darmstadt to Heidelberg 15 mins 😮 that was some sustained speed the car had more power at 280 kmh but it was enough to fulfill my adrenaline bucket.
As an American, I prefer km/h since 200 km/h sounds a lot cooler than 124 mph
That's exactly why I switched my Tesla display from mph to km/h, lol.
😂
@@wilhelmtell3427 dont ask, dont tell
Then I understand why you're also preferring Fahrenheit over Celsius 😀
That acceleration from 180 km/h to 240km/h is just insane!
More like a super motorcycle than a 2.5 ton vehicle...
Plaid weighs only 2300 kg with 75 kg driver and some camera equipment:
th-cam.com/video/bPFBz4BfbNg/w-d-xo.html
@@bjornnyland For some definition of "only".
@@bjornnyland Yeah, well, close enough ;-p
@@ID.SuperFan-tq8xiM5 Competition is 1970kg curb weight. BTW this car does the moose test better than the best tested Porsche...
Stay safe man! 260 km/h is no joke, even on the Autobahn.
Yoke*
I think that would be way too dangerous. Keeping completely alert at those speeds is extremely stressfull.
@@FIGHTTHECABLE The Yoke's on you!
That bimmer was a 3/4 series with a 3.0 straight six not an m product, stock power around 300hp and 250kmh vmax limited, an actual M5 with M Drivers Package is limited to 305kmh
I have BMW i4 M50. Usually I am a person who drives fast on German autobahn, so when I stayed at max 228kph for longer than 10-15min it started thermal throttling reducing power, slowing me down slowly decreasing vmax. also battery drained sooo much. On my trip 226km I had to charge twice after staring with 80%, charging to 50% and then again 50%. When going 180 constant same route I was able to do entire trip with exactly 80% soc. Thought this might be some cool things to know for you.
How low does vmax cap go? Or how low have you seen?
You happy with the car?
Thanks for another great video Bjørn! In fact your original 200km/h hammering video in the Model 3 Performance was part of what convinced me to get one myself, as I was not happy with the apparent Autobahn capability of the OG Model S, but you showed how Model 3 can actually drive fast, and do it for quite some time without having a meltdown!... Now in real life on a 1000km+ family vacation trip, the time over 200km/h is so tiny compared with all the STAU etc, so even when you hammer it there is still enough range, but it's just nice to know that the car CAN move when it needs to! Really look forward to the constant 200km/h test with Plaid, and to see how it differs with it's little brother - Model 3 Performance!
@@wilhelmtell3427 5-10 min, and then you hit traffic or road construction = 80km/h for a while, and then back to 200 etc… you end up having an acceptable range that matches when you need to pee… is my experience
@@wilhelmtell3427 200 or 250km/h makes a big difference.
200km/h with a Model 3 on 18" lasts ~1hour
At 37:10 you can clearly see thets an coupe 4 series, with 2 pipes exhauses, that means is just an 6zyl. Turbo charged diesel ore Gasoline engine, m car have 4 pipes
If you don't use track mode the car simply doesn't cool the battery as much as it can because it tries to be efficient, also I think it limit the v max, that's why it stop at 260km/h. You should try with track mode
If you put in track mode, it will go 285km/h ! Without TM its 262km/h
You know Bjorn is enjoying the drive when he laughs like that! 🙂
Like an insane nutball?
Bjorn, how about 1000 km challenge with Plaid in Germany always trying to go full send?
Thats a great idea!
already done regularly by a German EV channel (Andreas Haehnel). he is much faster on 1000km because he uses a stabdard route of open Autobahnen mainly without any speed limit
That bmw was a regular 4 series, maybe 430. I think it was heavily tuned due to the sound and speed
I would guess maybe a 440i or a 435i?
That was 440i or 435i based on the tailpipes
It was a 440i (F32 LCI) with that infamous B58 In-line six cylinder engine. It produces 240kw and will be remembered as one of the greatest ICEs. Silky smooth, powerful yet relatively efficient.
A work colleague in management managed to get an i4 M50 as a company car, lucky man! Despite having an EV myself, I was still shocked how fast that thing accelerated.
I have one too. Usually I am a person who drives fast on German autobahn, so when I stayed at max 228kph for longer than 10-15min it started thermal throttling reducing power, slowing me down slowly decreasing vmax. also battery drained sooo much. On my trip 226km I had to charge twice after staring with 80%, charging to 50% and then again 50%. When going 180 constant same route I was able to do entire trip with exactly 80% soc. Thought this might be some cool things to know for you.
And being used to an x5 40d (diesel) I can do same route with 250kph full route, but ofc that also has a 80l tank
@@cyberb_jc1931 interesting, that matches my experiences with the i4 M50's I tested.
I finally convinced my SO to switch our e-Golf '16 with a model Y LR. Just recently got the car and already completed a 3700km round trip from the arctic north of Norway through south Sweden and returning north again. The most pleasant way traveling by road ever imagined by me, just a fabulous vehicle.
Such a game changer going from 170 km range to 500+ range, no worries about charging, alas the old e-Golf had reduced our fuel expenditures with at least 90% as we did not travel far by car with small childrens anyways.
You pulled 2300 amps! Damn
2300 amps? that is the real insane part. i make batteries for scooters and stuff and they "only" make 500 amps or so. pro tip: if you enable track mode it also unlocks the higher top speed.
Bus bars in the Plaid battery are flippin wide
„I used to own renault laguna with 1.9 l dci, it was also pretty fast but I would struggle to hit 200“. 😂😂😂😂 That‘s why we love you, Björn!
Best tesla video on YT up to date ^^
Haha... Bjørn's comments are priceless. A nice video that clearly shows that even the best electric cars are still a little short of the best ordinary cars when it comes to overall performance. When this is mentioned, it is undoubtedly really impressive how fast the development is with the electric cars. I think that within 3-5 years even the BMW M5 will be redundant.
In what way? Not many ICE vehicles can reach such top speeds, and even then they would likely overheat faster if they maintain that for this long.
It would require spending many times more on more exotic solutions, at which point we start talking about super EVs like the Rimac Nevera etc.
th-cam.com/video/bh6HkIEUTDQ/w-d-xo.html
Also keep in mind that Bjorn was not even using track mode, which provides stronger cooling, more regenerative braking options, and a higher top speed.
With track mode you can reduce or eliminate regen fully, and use the brakes like on an ICE car, and then you dont heat up the battery and motors the same way.
Does the BMW M5 have 770kW? I doubt it.
“I measured 100-200 of my Model S Plaid with my “dragy GPS device. Temperature was about 5 degrees Celsius and it was on winter tires.
Time was 4.4s🤪
That's quite good. My time was 4.22 s.
definetely not a M5! at 37:12 you can see its a Coupe --> normal 4 series (not an M4 due to the pipes)
The Plaid bends the laws of physics
I may sound grouchy and boring, but are you sure you want to do these sub-300 km/h runs?
You have a family to care for. I don't underestimate your skill but an animal or just debris/trash could mess things up.
Yolo
What a different animal to the Leaf.....😂
Waiting for Tesla S Plaid Track Pack run on the Channel going up to 328 km/h 😂Björn time to get Hands on one and beat for us the Top Speed
BMW seems like a 4 series. No M version at all, as it only had 1 exhaust on each side. Maximum 340i with 374 HP and 6 cylinder.
The Plaid limp mode: 200kW
Bjorn, will you do a 1000KM Challenge with the Dacia Spring ?
S&M style 😂
I hope not 😂
Even better yet the Citroën Ami.
Spring is not available in Norway , it would still kick the leaf out of the way.
I think you are wrong about the battery temperature limiting the power, it might be limiting some times - but most time not. Look at the F stator temperature, it is much more correlating to the limiting power and the cooling Powertrain flow is running at 29-30 lpm all the time, whilst the battery cooling is running lower. If we could have seen the temperature of the inverter and the rear stators, I think we, more clearly, would have seen the cause of limiting power.
3:10 Very interesting that the battery at 92% SOC is about 51 miliohms ( 118V sag under 2300A) = 0.051ohms at not optimum temperature at 30 celsius.
Did you navigate to the supercharger? Would preconditioning cool the battery in that case?
Could just be the lower voltage at the lower SOC.
Isn't it possible to turn on track mode but also keep the traction control at max?
That way you get the best of both worlds in terms of stronger regen/cooling while still having the car behave as usual in terms of active safety?
37:11 to me, it looks more like an BMW f32 or f36 (4er coupé or grancoupé) rather than an M5. There are also only 2 exhaust Pipes (1 on the left, the other on the right), instead of 4, as far as I could see. Nevertheless, the top engines also run 250 km/h. ✌🏼
yeah it's a 440i b58. Also when he pulled away I could immediately hear the sound of the straight six. Tesla people can't even distinguish I6 vs V8 sound or see the difference between a 4 coupé vs a 5 series lol😁 If you think a 440i is an M5 you literally know nothing about cars
@@zdx197 no need for hating anyway. In the end, it doesn‘t matter, as this Video is all about the Plaid. I just remarked it as a footnote. To be honest, a 440i will still not be recognized anymore in a few years 😀
@@B.O.Z.5 ah you will be very wrong about that , see you back in a few years at this post 😄
@@zdx197 Bro, don't get me wrong. I have the last naturally aspirated V8 engine in my SL 63 AMG in my garage for sunny days 🫡. But that's a little bit different to a bread and butter 40i Bimmer motor. Anyway, what I want to say is, that Björns Videos are all about EV, so that my prior remarks are just remarks, not more not less. But if you watch björns videos, you should not be the ultra combustion engines freak, otherwise you would be disappointed every time 😄🤙
@@B.O.Z.5 haha, I've driven plenty of AMG's myself, and the n/a 6.2 v8 sounds absolutely amazing. But this bread and butter 40i bimmer motor with just bolt ons and a tune is gonna completely gap your SL63 AMG. Is your SL63 still a cooler car ? Ofcourse. If you go real crazy and go big turbo it's gonna also completely gap a Plaid as if it was standing still. This is the same engine (b58 40i) in a supra (vs a Plaid) th-cam.com/video/rxp_Yrmx8Sg/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=AutoGlory
Being used to an x5 40d (diesel) I can do same route with 250kph full route 226km, but ofc that also has a 80l tank
Did you stay in SuC in Varberg? Think that I saw you and the car :)
do you think the Drive Unit is reducing the power permanently like in the older Performance cars after driving vmax for a certain time?
That beamer was a 435i. I hope Evs can catch up in endurance. That's my main problem, power limit and decimated range. Will miss the glorious sound though, just listen to the beamer!
You keep saying you think the battery is the limitation but when you lose significant amounts of power the stator temps go over 100 degrees. Seems to correlate much more to power loss alongside the SOC than battery temp which was pretty consistent.
Look at the battery when I hammer it. The temperature goes up by whopping 1.5 degrees from just *one* hard acceleration. That's where the biggest losses are. The loss in stator is already measured. Remember that the meter for how much enery is used is measuring what goes out from the battery.
@@bjornnyland Sure, but the bms controls the output, can do that based on whatever parameters you like.
Yep, the only thing i miss in CarScanner dash is rear stator temeratures. For instance, at 24:56 pwrlimit is 232kW. Within 60 seconds, at 25:56 pwrlimit went up to 377kW (1.5+ times), but battery cooled down only by 1deg (top sensor), bottom sensor even raised by 0.5deg.
@@bjornnyland Track mode with regen set to 0, then you will reduce the heat generation significantly (but have to rely on the not so good brakes completely). 👍🏻
Car scanner also gives the GPS speed on my VW Polo. Very strange.. the speedo says 110kph, while the GPS speed is then 103 kph for instance. 83kph on the dash is 80kph on car scanner/GPS... Sounds similar to this! My car computer has not been calibrated but I have original rim size (185/60R15) Polo 6R 1.2TSI
Thanks again for another Video, great to see your enthusiasmus. You have more German attitude than you think 😂. However, you "confuse" people when you flash at them and drive by in a Tesla. Normally they are used to flashing lights only from Audi or BMW 😆. It seems like a cliché, but many Tesla usually drive in the slipstream of trucks on the Autobahn ☺
Interesting. My 2015 P85D does 250kmh on ze Autobahn no problem. About to try a 2017 P100DL, and imagine it's the same 250kmh limit, also. I mainly only drive 150km/h because that's the top speed that Autopilot still works ;)
ABC: Auto-Bahn Consumption! Wow, that's a lot of Energy.
140 kW for 240 km/h is very efficient. I calculated the theoretical consumption for the old Golf 1 GTI with 185 kW for 240.
Bjørn on speed
Could you make it pls with model s long range ? How will it be behaviour like this driving style....over 180 or 200 km/h ...plaid is awesome
Bjørn, once you get yet another Tesla Model S with carbon ceramic brakes and you have the chance to go to Germany, will you test it out on the autobahn at 328 kph? Btw, without carbon ceramics it is suppose to do 265 kph in plaid mode and 280 kph in track mode. With carbon ceramics, it will do 322 kph in plaid mode and 328 kph in track mode. You can activate track mode even outside of the track to get higher top speed.
www.tesla.com/support/track-mode
"Track Mode is designed for use on closed-circuit racetracks and autocross courses."
Oooooohhhhhh....
@@bjornnyland Lawyers
@@bjornnylandAutobahn use is similar to track use
@@matteoponzetto6682Bullshit.
Track mode is as safe as normal mode if you set stability control to 100% And much better battery cooling.
www.tesla.com/support/track-mode
"Track Mode is designed for use on closed-circuit racetracks and autocross courses."
@@bjornnyland"designed to" is NOT "intended to use ONLY on..."
looks so fun!
No bugs with OBDLINK MX+ and Plaid
You’re nuts Muriel 😂
It is totally fine to drive that fast on the Autobahn, even hugging the left lane is not that much of an issue as long as you are fast enough. But you should know that flashing others in your lane just because you want them to get out of your way is actually a crime which can result in either a fine or imprisonment. So your video (7 min 4 sec) is basically evidence.
Using the flasher is allowed when you want to warn others before you overtake them BUT this only applies when they are not in your lane already. It is just meant to prevent them to suddenly enter your lane.
If you flash once, you're ok. The law says you can flash to signal you want to overtake, that's all. Even on country roads where you are obviously in the same lane.
Excellent Content
Loved this. I just came back from Germany, enjoying 160 kph ( I know, we Americans are a bit squeamish : ) on the Autobahn with a Mercedes GLC 250. I got 9 l/100k. I wish I could try out my Cadillac CTS at these speeds, never mind the 260 kph that you do : )
I used to commute to work at 160 km/h in my Ford Fusion, the first hour at work I payed off the Gas bill lol
500Wh/km avg consumption 😁, Not sure I can discharge faster than I can charge with my tiny Model3 😲. that's impressive !
That's around 5 l/100 km (12 mpg) - the consumption Diesel SUV/sports car drivers claim...
Tips til hvordan man kan bli en betalt testdriver?
It’s not an M5 @teslabjorn - it’s an M4 F82 (so not the latest one with the big kidneys) and it has 431hp / 550Nm with a 3.0L Biturbo.
Had only two exhaust tips. So prob a 430 or 440i
@@DOFFENfilmsCorrect - also does not have the specific M3/M4 air vent in the front fender, so definitely not an M4
My hands were sweating watching this.
Lå i samme fart nedover med B klassen min. Rekkevidde på 900 kilometer pluss... hadde ikke taklet ladepauser i ei svindyr tralle med shaky wheels
Oh, I see, Marcus didn‘t lend you the top notch spec‘d TMS Plaid, red calibers unlocked perf?!! 🤔🤷But TB nailed it. Very fun video! Thx TB. You‘re the star!
Do you run at max regen level at those speeds?
Taken my Plaid on German Autobahn 4 times thus far. It's the king when above 75% state of charge. At lower states of charge it feels like power output is reduced. I don't think it's bat temp related. I was concerned about brakes, but frankly they work very well. Considering the track pack. But properly only of real value on tracks.
Would love to see face to face comparison of plaid vs taycan turbo s ina stretch of autobahn to compare high speed temps and consumption + the second gear advantage.
There is no second gear advantage.
@@sworksm552I honestly think taycans consumption at autobahn sustained 240-250 speeds with second gear is much lower than Teslas.
@alvfra no, I drove booth. The taycan is also on higher speeds very inefficient.
I bet you future Porsches will be 1 gear only
It was an BMW 440i
On which car do you need to move your hands away from the steering wheel to activate the turn signal or the wipers?
You just simply use the forefinger 🤷♂
And moving your thumb to press a button, makes you loose more grip control over the steering wheel than moving the forefinger up and down.
Do I understand correctly. You have driven only 141km and it was almost fully discharged? Is each electric car this crappy? In Germany I drive often 200km/h for almost 3 hour and I have still gasoline left.
This looks awesome and scary as well. I'm doing "the same", just at 160, in my MY LR… And I'm not sure I'd want to go at 250, ever.
Tried the 260+kph once in my Model 3 AWD - just to see if the specs were accurate...yes, they are (and yes, it's scary). Not something I want to try again in a hurry.
Yesterday I drove 200km/h from Tirschenreuth to Regensburg in my Model 3 LR, easy going, also with strong side winds. Very stable.
@@peterzerfass4609The regular AWD maxes out at 233...
Its not a big deal, at least not with a powerful car that gets you quickly to those speeds, but you have to stay alert, and its really the speed difference between the vehicles thats the biggest issue. The first time will get you SHOCKED how quickly you will catch up other cars that moves left to pass a lorry or whatever at 120-130, you will most likely feel that you have plenty of time, start decellerating slowly, regen/engine braking, and then as you approach you will realize you dont have a lot of time and braking harder and harder until you really have to stand on it. Its quite an eyeopener when it happens. 😳
Crazy how slow it feels/looks in the video.
Speed demon 😎
280 available in track mode only? 💁🏻♂️☺️
Yes
Even my ID.3 Pro Performance feels almost too powerful. I would probably kill myself with the Plaid.
We are just sweating here how casual you are over 200kmph... 😅
Really not that bad when it's empty on the Bahn.
Did you include the regen kw in the calculations?
*kWh
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Nuts!
I like , that you don't have to use flash on German autobahn that often, they automatically move over to middle lane
Wait for part 2...
Continous power is disappointing, only 1/6 of the peak power. 131kw (time 38:00) instead of 775kw (time 6:40). That means the cooling ability is the limiting factor. Using peak power is drawing 6 times the current, and therefore generates 36 times more heat. That means that doubling the cooling system capability by a factor of 10 will still be far from allowing continous use of peak power
This is when I do crazy acceleration. I have a video coming out later where I drove at constant 200 km/h. In that more common scenario, we had no overheating and no power limits.
@@bjornnyland that makes sense, because even though it is a heavy car it is very aerodynamic, and probably needs only 75KW to maintain 200 km/h. That is 1/10 of peak power, so only 1/100 of the heat is generated. It is actually less than 1C discharge rate, so not much strain on the battery
Excluding the battery, motors+inverters are rated in the area of 350kW continuous power at an undisclosed speed. But at high speed i expect less, profile is not constant like for the peak power.
Autobahn 1000km Challenge?
The max regen must be much to low. BMW I4 has 190KW?
You can enable higher regen when you turn on track mode. Maybe Bjorn can test that some other time.
Batteriet med lavere intern motstand finnes. Jeg har selv prøvd det ut. Det fungerer og kan ta i mot ladning mye mye raskere og også levere større strømstyrke uten å gå varm. Det er basert på grafen og har en enorm overflate. 1 gram grafen har en overflate lik en fotballbane. Problemet er å få det masseprodusert. Med dette batteriet så blir elbil et reelt alternativ.
That’s why Germans have different needs in a car😅
If the car is moving sideways drafting right or left or moving constantly right to left first thing you should do is to check wheel 🛞 alignment position.
All four wheels should point straight forward in a straight line. And caster and camber toe in should be adjusted accordingly for perfect straight line steering whit no effort needed to hold the car in a straight line on the highway. You should be able to let your hands 🙌 go of the steering wheel and the car should always go in a straight line on a smooth highway surface If it,s not the case your wheels are out of alignment. You can easily se this standing and looking at back wheels angle 📐 from distance compared to front wheels 🛞.
I f Wheel alignment is totally out off whack and one back wheels are pointing sideways out of position you even get noise from the back wheel . If the wheels are vibrating much in some speed ratios check tire balancing and if one of the balance weights are missing. Worst case scenario someone is sabotaging the car when you are on toilet adding balance weights to the rim of the wheel and adjusting the wheel alignment to out of position for worst handling possible so you can only drive 100-120 KM/H on Autobhan top speed before the car gets impossible to handle. Motive for sabotage is possibly targeting higher speed driving which in Germany 🇩🇪 Autobahn is legal. That’s said high speed testing is better on closed circuit motor sport arena air field -straights or car testing grounds for better safety.
It was due to strong wind, not misalignment.
746 kW, seen at 3:06 min into the video, means that the battery can provide exactly 1000 horse power as you enter the German highway. You max. available power was 775 kW which is 1040 horse power....insane! Great video
I have measured as high as 819 kW (1114 hp) from the battery according to Scan My Tesla.
@@bjornnyland Incredible...!!
I personally have zero belief that Tesla will fit 200kWh of batteries into the Roadster. The wheelbase is shorter than a Model S that can "only" fit in 101kWh. The Roadster they demonstrated was probably 50kWh but with more batteries in parallel to achieve the 2second 0-60 time (wired for power but not range, so maybe with only 150miles of range, not the 600 miles it was advertised as). The original Roadster was only about 45kWh. Tesla sold a $40k upgrade to this that increased it to about 56kWh IIRC. But these were all batteries behind the seat. the car is so low it won't be able to fit 2170 or 3650s below the floor - definitely not vertically.
I seriously suspect the reason we've not seen the Roadster is Elon would be called out on his 200kWh lie.
That is unless Tesla can aquire some of the supposed 600w/kg batteries being developed by CATL. Tesla's batteries are still in the low-mid 250w/kg range.
It was a good fart. Lol.
It’s an carwash 👍🏻
BAUSTELLE STAU,,,,,Germans love it
Code brown
As a German, this was super interesting, and funny haha. ACHTUNG, ICH KOMME SCHNELL!
The Need for Speed.
2000 amps and a 100v drop
That car is a monster but it has it flaws with the overheating. You can check Randy Pobst's Pikes Peak climb from this year with the Plaid. There are stats displayed and you can clearly see the power limit creeping down. People always say that electric cars are better for hill climbs because they don't suffer from the lack of oxygen at higher altitudes like an ICE but they forget that in order to keep that power all the way up, you will need good cooling. Anyways, I always enjoy those autobahn videos, keep it up.
Hmmm...so it's 1k hp car only for 10min of autobahn at high speed...after that welcome to 400hp club...
Nope. It can run longer than that and have higher power than that. Maybe you mixed up kW and hp...
And for 200 km/h continous run, no power limit and no overheating. Video about it coming soon.
At 35:13 had over 530kw available and after 20sec of full throttle to 240kmh, it was back under 200kw... That's a shame... but that's the weak spot of the electric cars: battery overheating and needs better cooling ...
@@mihaicostescuthe cooling was NOT active as you can see from the inlet temperature.
Cooling is active in Track Mode which was NOT used here
This video is hilarious.
Be careful.
Looks like AC simply didn't kick in to cool down battery air inlet. It should, even without Race mode.
Regular Model Y began hard battery cooling by AC after 90 seconds of this clip: th-cam.com/video/kwtl-U8ZcNI/w-d-xo.html
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@@smartwerbung 15.7. ?
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35 min hammering hard to run out of a full charge?
back in 1996 i was able to take a 911 turbo from Darmstadt to Heidelberg 15 mins 😮 that was some sustained speed the car had more power at 280 kmh but it was enough to fulfill my adrenaline bucket.