Tesla Model Y RWD with BYD Blade battery Geilo test
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I've seen a lot of videos from Bjorn now, and I still can't figure out if he is car-tester or a food critic. Don't matter, I like both tests😎
Great vid, in the uk those conditions would close down the entire country😂😂
I’m a Bulgarian that studied in Glasgow for a few years and it really perplexed me when it snowed like a millimetre veil and everything closed. Compare that to my home country where we would all go to school and work in the literal ice age.
same would happen in Germany. As soon as a snowflakes falls in Germany, German drivers forget how to drive and you have accidents followed by traffic jams and streets locked down.
Ain’t that the truth! I don’t even know if you can buy winter tyres here. We’d no bother anyway.
Hi, I remember the winter of 1962/3. Snow drifts 20 feet deep in places. People used to know how to cope back then. Now, as others have said, two snowflakes and it all grinds to a halt. I still know how to drive in snow, many I see do not these days.
Same as in the Netherlands, they will issue a weather alert!
Nice!
And for all of the people who don't know....a RWD with proper winter tires is way safer and better than a AWD on summer tires....when driving in winter conditions.
Proper winter tires depends on your kind of winter.
And most important, a set of good winter tires is always cheaper than a front bumper and headlights
Even when both the RWD and the AWD has proper winter tires, the RWD is a lot safer in winter condition. There are good statistics on this, It's up to 40% higher chance of crashing in a AWD in bad conditions. The reason is probably that the AWD masks the condition causing the driver to drive too fast for the conditions.
@@PitmairenAWD is safer than RWD in winter, but the statistics dont lie - people take morre chances with AWD. but no matter the car, quality tires are the most important safety feature.
Who drives with summer tires in winter conditions?
@@biggabiggaBritish drivers!
My first real winter experience with the Model Y RWD BYD (Giga Berlin produced). I've had it for ~6 months now.
The RWD is both fun and efficient when driving in snowy winter conditions. You have a slight oversteer which is fun. The traction control system corrects the car immediately, however, so it never feels on the limit. I would have appreciated a winter mode that allowed more oversteer.
In winter time at -5 and up it really takes a toll on the range big times. You barely get 200 km which is not really good if you live up north and going on longer trips. I wonder if the BYD blade batteries are worse in colder conditions compared to the LR Tesla versions. Tesla states a 455 km WLTP for the RWD. If I barely get 200 km in -8 it means more than a 50% drop in range. To hit the 455 WLTP I would need a consumption of ~1,3kWh/10km. But in -10 degrees it consumes around 2,5-3,5kWh which seems a bit high if I compare to friends who drive LR/Performance versions of Model Y. This is my personal gut feeling. Maybe @Björn this is something you could test.
One winter flaw I have noticed is that when you activate the cruise control the software automatically sets the windscreen wipers to Auto mode. That tells me the software devs have never driven a frozen car in real winter conditions. The last thing you want is the windscreen wipers to activate. Either you ruin the wipers since they might be frozen or you ruin the sight as it smears out dirt all over the windshield. But most of the time both. They need to enable the option to NOT automatically enable wiper just because using the cruise control.
Another winter design issue is the area behind the rear window. If you warm the car after a heavy snow fall it will melt the snow which will accumulate on the very rear as there is no natural way for the water to drain off the tailgate. The result is a huge lump of ice causing the tailgate not being able to open by itself because it is too heavy. You have to run out after snowfall to wipe the snow off before turning on the heat to avoid..
But overall I'm still very satisfied with the Model Y 2023 RWD. Every car has it flaws and Model Y still so far has very few
My MIC 2023 MY RWD has an average consumption of 174 wh/km over 6000 winter kms in Toronto Canada. This winter was warmer than usual but it was still averaged -4 C or so.
Bjørn you are doing a great job for EV community , Thank You
With so many RWD and medium range EVs on the road now these tests are so important. Thanks Björn 💪
@Björn: Next to the switch for the heated steering wheel, you can turn on the wiper heating
yeah
I'm pretty sure he is aware of that. I can confirm this is not always helping in bad conditions. They freeze either way but maybe no as bad as without the heating.
Worst weather conditions: Cold, Snow, Night and driviing an area where not many people are driving.
Bjørn: Oh, there's a new Supercharger can we go there? We will get there with 3%. Let's go!
'Women, if you want to marry that guy, do this when you enter the car. Then suddenly, he will propose!' Brilliant!
Huge thanks for all the testing that you do. What i appreciate the most is the driving in dark conditions so you actually get to see how the lights are on the cars. It is an important part (at least for me) of cars as it relates to safety. Almost no other testers ive seen even mentions this feature, other than if it looks good or not. Sure, cool lights are always nice but they need to function properly as well. Who cares about cool lights if you dont see a moose or a reindeer etc untill it is 5 metres in front of the car. I also see some mention RWD vs AWD. AWD is more practical if you often have adverse conditions on the roads you drive on, although RWD EVs are better than normal RWD cars due to more weight on the rear tires. AWD does not mean total control and grip of the car no matter the conditions, it is still up to us as drivers to go at appropriate speeds :)
The odo meter was at 5000km when he got home. Nice round number :)
this is the perfect test i ve been waiting for👌 coz my budget is up to rwd only 🥶
@@FirstLast-rh9jw yup! suitable to my daily needs👍 and during long trips i often stop every 2-3hrs, to stretch a bit or toilet break 😁
@@roadstoridenorwaydriving101Yep, with this speed of charging, provided good cjarging infrastructure, it charges quicker than you pee 😊😊😊
This is an amazing video @Bjørn. Sadly I couldn’t get such detailed video on Blade RW drive for model Y in winter conditions. This would have strongly changed my mind on selecting this one over Long range AWD.
Just get good winter tires and it'll be very uneventful
And.... their Long range 80% is our RWD 100% it prompts always to 100% love that
Hey Björn nice Test! I think the OBD port to connect scan my Tesla position changed. It is now under the middle console where your right foot is placed 😊…
Pulling left to right in Canada is called fish tailing. We try to avoid RWD for that reason. But because of the weight and good snow tires you will be fine!
The CATL LFP battery is bigger and therefore better if you are not supercharging often. My Tesla Y rwd was with CATL LFP and it worked great. I would not want the smaller BYD Blade battery
Thanks Bjorn. Great review. You make me laugh always too 😁 I wonder if Sandy Munro would ever comment on blade batteries? They know the virtues of LFP already I recall 🤔 Lotsa love to all! ❤❤❤
Another great point about charging at home is you can estimate electrical Bill when charging at home I'd like to know that also
I’d like to see a test to see how the Mini Cooper SE does. I’m getting one next week and a little concerned about it compared to my Ioniq Classic in range and consumption. I’ve seen very little videos that can compare to yours for that car. Maybe you can grace us with your EV holiness 😊
I love how entertaining this guy is haha watched the whole vid with a smile!
I love these videos but please be safe out there sir, specially if not on winter tires, we want videos for many many years to come 🫡
You know that it's illegal to drive without winter tires in these conditions in Norway, right?
if he was on summer tires he would never have made it to Geilo :P
i thought i heard you say you were on all seasons, my bad @@bjornnyland
@@bjornnyland The guy probably from UK LOL
@@lplt All season tyres are perfectly adequate for those conditions.
I hope they start providing BYD blade LFP batteries here in Tesla Canada. MY RWD here is still Catl LFP with a range 394KM.
Hey Bjorn. You should get points for my order today 😊 thanks for your hard work pal. Well done 💪🏼
I would love to see a video, Bjorn, on awd versus rwd for hydroplaning in the rain. I've seen TH-cam Tesla owners selling they're rwd to replace it with awd because they've been hydroplaning in the rain. Have you or anyone else heard of this before?
can you please share links?
Perfect wintertest 👍
Thanks for all the educational videos. Lots to learn as I picked up my model y on Friday. Now just have to figure out how to get my usb music to work which has been frustrating so far.
Thank you for your work. Is there any chance to do snow test with MG4?
MG4 RWD Geilo/snow test would be great !!
Hey @Bjørn, at 18:51 all those are not supercharger you need to filter it out. They both Type 2 + superchargers. Just select that 3 thunderbolts only for super chargers
Interesting in BC Canada you must have winter tires by law! October 1 to April 30. 🇨🇦
AWD cars have better traction and get going easier than RWD/FWD... The downside is people in those sometimes get overconfident and might even end up in the ditch more often 😀They simply forget AWD gives you no advantage with turning or braking (only regen behaves nicer, but emergency braking distance is the same).
The problem is the drivers as you are saying. People get scared when the car slips and end up braking and overcorrecting when they should throttle like Bjørn did here. The antispin reduces power to the wheels to find traction, it does not add power.
@@Frygisk Absolutely. When I went for training on a skid plate, not instinctively going for the brakes was a major factor in getting it under control instead of a spin, especially in the shorter wheelbase e-208. However, keeping throttle would not help you in any way in the fully developed skid that the skid plate pushes you into instantly, especially on a RWD car. Even for me with FWD it did nothing useful, the surface was just too slippery for that. When it just starts to develop though, in a real scenario, major reduction in throttle (or even brakes) unload the sliding rear of the car and definitely make things worse 🙂.
The snow would easily be my favourite weather for driving in
Re. “For Belgians, no problem - they don’t have winters like this…”: I once spent a week in Ghent and, it was so cold, the canals froze over enough to allow a cross-country ice-skating marathon race to be held for the first time in years!
Great video, thanks! 241km and 3% left, hmmm... So real battery capacity 56kwh or consumption 231wh/km?
Going to Geilo is all uphill. Driving in the snow and the cold increases consumption. I think Bjorn measured 209 Kwh round trip which is quite impressive
@@philipperapaccioli2868 No I just did a 800km trip in same temperatures with my I4. In temperatures from -7 to 0 eg it averaged 150wh/km. Average speed 77km/h
@@ulyden1947 800 km in the snow and in the mountain?
Great video, and very relevant to me in Canada.
I hope you can do the same test with a new RWD Volvo or Polestar. Maybe next time there is snow in the forecast.
If the LFP battery is so robust, why have they decreased the warranty to 100K miles?
I think standard range was always 100k miles. Bigger battery means fewer cycles for the same amount of miles.
@@mullermeister Yes, but I believe LFP is good fort double or triple the cycles and 100K doers not reflect any confidence that this is true.
@@scotduckrow8524 I think the issue is that they are still selling RWD with different battery packs so it would be a problem to claim one level of warranty depending on the car that was delivered to you. Maybe if/when all RWD are on the LFP across the world they will go to the longer warranty...
Take it easy, drive safely ❤❤
Always hammer it.
There is an off road mode in Model Y that helps in snowy conditions. Also with the SEXY buttons you can lower regen breaking and it turns your phone into a heads up display. But the Teslas are awesome in snow, no need to do anything different except drive slower in snow.
Service mode in winter, only those who live in true winter conditions know it works the best. Had one car with heated windscreen, it kind of works but the wires in the window are not that efficient and use a lot of extra energy , not sure how it's in newer Teslas, but in extreme conditions gravity is your best friend, snow goes down and in service mode the wipers are up so they are much easier to clean as long as you blast warm air on the windshield and the same energy is also used to warm up the cabin so overall more efficient.
What do you mean, disadvantage of Rear Wheel Drive? The opposite, this is the advantage, you can drift through the curves and really enjoy : ) You Norwegians are the experts in snow, going 87 in snow, without winter tires. That is quite skillful.
Damn man, 19 and onwards, the base is pumping deep and buttery smooth!
What kind of winter tire did you use for this test? model Y RWD looks very stable on the snow, it,s great. Thanks for nice video.
Great video as always!! I enjoy so much these Geilo tests. Is is the new Geilo test standard and no more former tests with the rest of winter checks and letting the car sleep for some time? I know you a father now and so many things to do hehe (I really appreciate it how much you do) but maybe 'complete' Geilo tests for some relevant cars would be superb.
Hey Bjørn. Any chance you could make a video about the different batteries available in model 3/Y up to now? Interested in what batteries are best to go for in a used car. What are the strengths/ drawbacks of LFP, Blade, original packs and such?
admire your commitment
Here in winter and spring I have to pretty much not use the auto steer and lane assist as the lines are mostly worn off and the "paths" are only generally following what was marked - so often you get 2 or 3 lanes complete shoulder area, and they effectively become 1 or 2 lanes in the winter and the markings would drive you into a drift or off the road. In the spring the markings are mostly gone, and you have to very careful as that roads get so chewed up by the trucks and SUVs that the assist will just be fighting you too much as you weave around things more - I also get animals crossing (our bypass road has cement between the two directions so if animals come over they are often in a jump, so I stay off the fast lane as it would hit my car over the hood which is bad - I do not know how people have zero issues when they self drive all the time, I always have to be looking ahead and I worry. 3% left is awful tight - even with gas I do the 25% extra for my travel plans; and in winter you need that reserve, granted it is 99% mental anxiety calming - but if you have one scary time, you just never seem to let your guard fully down.
Night driving… my favorite mode in my Model S, with the auto-pilot 👌🏻
There should be another port under the center armrest, next to your right leg while driving, should just be enough to remove the carpet.
So I am mentally preparing myself for my first all-electric road trip in Norway next week, what tips would you give me? Probably doing the road trip on a ID.3 :)
I wish we'd have so many chargers here.
It pulls left when rear wheels slip under accelaration due to road is not flat. Rear goes towards right when slipping.
Proper winter… 🥶 3% let’s go. Nice video, no worries on the weather and range.
This is great test to see winter conditions consumption.
I wonder is very heavy conditions, like for example you are caught out by a snowstorm out of the city. What would happen, what type of consumption for driving and what type of consumption if you decide to camp out in the car until help arrives. How much can you stand with some heat on a battery.
You did some overnight sleep videos in the past. That would be great to be done again.
My guess is 1kw/hr to stay sufficiently warm when stuck in a blizzard. My old model s would use 2-4% percent camping overnight in sub-zero temps, these new model Ys have way less consumption for heating. Just charge up well before a hazardous drive, have a good buffer just in case you get stuck. Teslas are imo the best winter cars out there, Ive driven three different model s over 300.000km in northern Norway and I cant recommend them enough. High quality tires are a must, but that goes for all cars. Never chesp out on tires, especially winter tires.
So, 200 km winter range - not sooo much 🧐 But due to tight fast charging network no problemo
No, the range was 260 km.
It’s always impressive to see Norwegian drivers in the snow. Here in the UK we stay on summer tyres all year and smash into each other as soon as there is a dusting of snow.
Can you try this test with Model 3 Rwd 2023?
Sadly there is no "Snow mode" or low re-gen. Just drive 1800km up north and got to feel this. When the car breaks traction on re-gen it will disable it or severly reduce it a while.
Bjorn was controlling level of regen with how he lifts off the pedal ... if the car is breaking traction then you are lifting off too fast. (I'm not sure why the earlier Model 3 had a low and a standard regen setting yet they now don't do this on the newer 3 or Y.)
@@MrAdopado Now, you don't always have time to control it. Will it get dangerous then? many other brands offer the option to turn it off completely, which makes sense to me in the winter.
my girlfriend is a little worried about buying a RWD that she can't control the rear end when it's slippery, she's not the world's best driver and will probably panic if it throws the rear end when you lifts off the peda to fast
any tests coming up Bjorn on the Tesla 3 Highland RWD or the BYD Seal RWD?
Right now, the Y RWD is even the cheapest Tesla to buy.
It might be a bit big and has quite huge tires. Nevertheless I always end up at Tesla M Y, when searching for my next car I‘ll get as soon as my Ioniq is sold.
the surface where the windshield wiper are placed is heated, just go to your climate setting and than press the windshield whiper symbol there you are
Tell us how fast you are going. That would help us get a feel for what we are seeing.
Ah. Projected. Nice.
Getting from 27 to 9 degrees will take more than 12 hours. For test preparations we have found that to have a battery temperature equal to ambient temperature and a delta of roughly 20 degrees we would need about 6 hours for the first half, and about 18 to 24 for the rest, depending on battery mass. It is a lot of mass you are attempting to cool down. Also, the BYD blade cells will surprise you, knowing that you tested the standard range plus LFP before.
Björn, a Tesla can not regen on the front axle
also not with AWD
Thanx for the video Bjorn, but let me get this straight, 12:45 into the video it seems like the car had only driven 241 km with 3% remaining battery. 241… km… that is a freaking bad if a salesman told you this car has 455 km (WLTP) of range. None of the numbers are wrong, it just shows that REAL LIFE driving can differ up to 50% from the WLTP. Man, EVs still have a long way to go.
Don't forget the uphills to Geilo.
Bear in mind this is the shortest range car that Tesla makes... yet it still does the job. The dual motor cars have a bigger battery pack.
You said for Belgium, no problem. I live in Ardennen where we can get also a lot of snow. I'm at 650 meters above sea level. I would not buy a RWD for here.
Ardennen is a very nice place! You’d be absolutely fine with a RWD there, the correct tires are far more important.
I prefer FWD or 4WD@@Frygisk
@@hanstandt9587 FWD is the worst by BEV, it is complete different from fossil cars.
OK, I learn every day.@@wolf-dieterschulz-engelke8598
Thanks for the info, didn't know that.@@wolf-dieterschulz-engelke8598
I'm kind of surprised it only went 150 miles? What would it be in non-snowy conditions?
Probably not more than 220-222 miles. It only got a 55 kWh battery, meaning if it averages 160 Wh/km it will go just short of 344 km, or 221 miles, on a full single charge
@@sigdor1it’s 60.5 with 58.5 kwh usable.
@@iona3165 That might be so. Since I commented this I’ve seen 55, 57,5 and 58,5 usable kWh, no idea what is correct. However the worst part was my poor math. 344 km is not 221 miles, but just short of 214 miles. But if it’s 58,5 kWh usable, it makes 366 km, or 227 miles, still not good. To be honest, the difference between 55 and 58,5 is not really noticeable anyway. But someone always have to ABC (always be correcting other people)
However, the consumption could be better than I anticipated
does the Fremont US RWD Y's also get the BYD blade battery?
thought there was a heated wiper area in the lower part of the windshield?
Think he don't know about this
Interesting to see battery temp delta at 8c for these batteries
Why didn’t you use the heated wiper setting while charging??
Seems you don't know the wiper defroster function. Look for it in the Climate menue ;) it's in the bottom middle right next to the heatead Steeeing wheel symbol. There are heating elements under the Wipers resting Position under the black Part of the windshield.
wow, that gasprice is insane 22.45 nok/liter !!
240 km range?? That's about 149 miles. Not the range i expected
Uphill and winter.
Bjorn, Great videos! Did you use your all season or winter tires for this test?
I wonder if the F150 Lightning is there for you to test?
I need to be rescued by the sun had me in stitches lol,great video,1000km challenge tonight?
Very atmospheric
Probably it wants to go to the left a bit because of bad wheel alignment
Bjørn, did you ever find the heated wiper function in the climate controls? 😅
Maybe you did and they didn't really make a difference.
Great video Bjorn, you leave all the other EV reviews in the salzschumtzfest.
That last word had me giggle man, echte Deutschqualitätwort! Ich lerne etwas neue jeden Tag.
Come up with even more SUN jokes. - challenge accepted!😂
19:56 Someone stuck in the snow besides the road?
what about a video with a new or old TMX ? Ages since the last one.
Why can’t we have these service illustrations in normal mode??
Funnily enough, “hielo” in Spanish means ice. It’s pronounced almost exactly the same way you pronounce Geilo… Just made me chuckle a bit while you were saying it, since it was quite fitting in this instance 😂.
I’ve heard the RWD cars are fairly decent in the snow, since it’s obviously not a conventional RWD setup with the weight distribution. This was interesting to see a real-world test not on dedicated snow tires or anything. Definitely should give RWD owners some confidence!
He did have winter tyres on. Contrary to what he alluded to in the video, Bjørn commented in the thread that it's illegal to drive in the snow with summer tyres.
I had Nokian Hakkapelitta R5 EV tires on.
I once had to dig out my company's Beemer on summer tyres from a frozen parking lot with a tiny ice scraper after I helped push a colleague in ... you guessed it... a Beemer on summer tires. Next day I had a shovel with me. Luckily, the company rules have changed since then, which do allow winter tires now. 😅
@@bjornnyland Bjorn, this debate about RWD vs. AWD in winter conditions (i.e., below zero C) really needs to be explored and you can do it. Get two cars with Nokia R5 and compare situations. Doesn't need to be 1,000 km. Pls?
Does the Y not have the heated wipers (more like heated wiper park spots) on the windshield that the 3 has?
yes button next to heating on the steering wheel are heating wires in the window.
Is it so MYRW from Berlin not equipped with wiper heater in clima settings?
Driving like a Boss 🐻
Does my TMY RWD from March 2023 (from Beijing) have similar charging speed at SuperChargers? I haven't tried much and never looked at the speed :O
Now, you don't always have time to control it or just lifts off the pedal to fast . Will it then get dangerous? many other brands offer the option to turn it off the regen braking completely, which makes sense to me in the winter.
my girlfriend is a little worried about buying a RWD she thinks she can't control the rear end when it's slippery, she's not the world's best driver and will probably panic if it fish tales.
In the UK, no-one is confident in driving in snow like that because we hardly ever get it. Those conditions would result in stories on the news about Snowmageddon and blocked motorways the length of the country.
Summer tires on snow will do that.
Yeah, these conditions cannot be navigated safely on summer tires. The first day of snow in southern Norway you always get congestion as all the people who haven't changed over to winter tires yet think "I'm special, I can still drive in these conditions" (they can't) and all the busses and foreign semitrucks think "this is what my all season tires are for" (it's not) and end up strewn about the place.
Lets just say that the average Sun rear wheel driver would either be in a ditch or stuck on the 1st slight hill....
rwd ftw!
Why not disable heater? Ecoflow was used in "other" cars? With heater on i am unable to get 144wh/km....
I only use Ecoflow with old cars.
Best test ever, been waiting for it since MY rwd was released 😂😂
But newer teslas do have heated wiper parking? Why service mode then?
Great video. What tyres was it on the car?
Hakkapeliitta R5 EV
So is the rather low mileage you get due to the Aircon/Heatpump running in those low temperatures ? 241km range appears to be low ?
Why did you have the MCU in service mode? Why does the charging port have the CKL letters? At around 21:00 there was a car with blinkers on. Sliding accident? Is energy consumption heating with heat pump better than previous Trsla's? On Munro there was a discussion that cell batteries have their advantages over pouch batteries (=blade batteries). Have you changed your mind if cells battery packs are worse than blade batteries? What if cell batteries contained LFP chemistry, would that change your mind? For Europe I learned in driving school that it is always better to brake on engine in the snow, brake as little as possible, sometimes even in neutral if the situation allows. I have a varied positive experience with this. What is your experience with driving in the snow and slowing down on lower regen or have you even considered slowing down in neutral with an EV?
In an AWD without ESP I often flip the automatic into neutral as soon as I notice fishtailing or even understeer, especially around freezing or with some surface snow.
With understeer you may even gain control with less turn of the wheel than your initial reaction.
Bjørn, what is your personal opinion on selective yellow lights and fog lights? Greetings from Chile.
The new teslas dont have radar???? So it wont be able to see like 2 cars ahead right and stop before only what it sees right??