How To Joint A Patio Using Easy Joint From Azpects With Johnyboy!
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How to Use Easy Joint the brush in grout from Azpects. These are the same guys that have brought us the Easy Seal and deck magic products.
In our hands on review we discuss the pros of using the brush in formula over conventional jointing and grout methods.
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Did not know that's why I did a 6x1 mix when doing my path 👏👊
Good video matey, I'm a traditional man my self and have used mortar toner to alter the colour before, but there no doubt easy joint is a good product and look great with certain types of slabs and reall is so much quicker than being on your hands and knees.
Daryl Stafford I totally agree on getting older
Top work lads good information Jonny 👍👍
Green green grass uk thanks appreciate it
Really helpful I enjoy watching your videos always learn something nee
Meant to say learn something new
Thank you just doing my best to help
Great video and great tip about the 6:1 mix ratio. One question I do have is soon I'll be laying a new patio on top of an old one and I'm a bit worried about the drainage reqd, again going back to why you say you use that mix ratio. Do you think this will cause a problem for EJ?
just allow for an escape route once the water gets through water needs to keep moving
Great info john.
cheers bud
Johnnyboy, I'm tring to work out whats best to use for my parents patio regrouting job. My dad tells me the base is concrete on clay. So sand and cement mix (with or without lime?), EASY JOINT or Sika fast fix. It's the concern with the permeability of the easy joint and Sika that water will penetrate down to base of the grout, have nowhere to go and freeze when temps drop; leading to cracks. Tha, as well as when doing the grouting, will the deeper areas 50mm dry out well enough from having them really wet from the amount of water needed when installing the EasyJoint. Any advice will be very welcome!
Looks like a great job on the patio laying..should u think after laying any should be loose..if any we're loose what do u think that issue would be after laying with dry mix..exact same slabs 4 sizes
hi there not sure i understand your question
What colour did you use for this?
Hey! Watched a few of your videos now and appreciate all the info. Have a question.. I have the easy point and also a wet look patio treatment. What's the best order to apply these? TIA
Cheers Bud, to be honest a question to the manufacturer would be better
Hi johny I have just fitted easy joint a couple of days ago I sealed my sandstone flags before I used easyjoint would you seal again in a few weeks once fully set and seal over easy joint or not to keep it permeable. Thanks
Hi Lee, thats a good question, Im not quite sure on that to be honest. Maybe we should put that to Azpects themselves, can I syggest dropping them an email and mark it for the attention of Jeff Carter he is the Techi guy there. hope this helps , stay safe mate.
I've just finished laying a 20m2 smooth Indian Sandstone patio (DIY job). I'm going to grout using Easy Joint. Is this something I could do shortly after laying the patio?
Also, I'm looking for some advice on sealing/ protecting the patio. Is it necessary? and if so, how long should I wait and what product would you recommend?
Any advice would be very much appreciated.
Many thanks
Thom Park the best advice I could give you would be to speak to Jeff Carter at easy joint. You can find him on our Facebook group Landscaping Survival.
He Knows all the ins and outs and will give you what you need to know
really interesting point re mix strength. I've used a few sweep in products and have wondered about water dispersal before. I've traditionally laid on a 4:1 mix for patio and mostly point with sand and cement as I prefer the look of it but again the points you make are totally valid. (I'm currently enjoying an afternoon off laying a patio due to the rain today!)
Andy Langridge cheers Andy
GreentopLandscapes Do your way
Weve been using easy joint for over a year now what Ive found is the lighter shades tend green up over time so you end up with green jointing also the tubs are small at only 12.5 kg compares to joint it 20kg for the same money but these products do have a place but not on every job depends on the weather & what the customer wants to pay for. personally i prefer JB,s way of cement pointing
Tranquillity Landscaping cheers buddy
Hi, iv layed an autumn brown Indian sandstone over the summer but managed to mess up the pointing, is their a way of fixing this or will I have to just take it all out and redo using that stuff your using in this video?
Thanks
Hi David there are lots of other products since this video, more than happy to talk. Johnyboy
My builder used something similar to this. Don’t know if he did something wrong or if it was the weather but it’s all cracked and lifted. I can pick it off in long chunks now. Of course he will not come back to take look.
Hey. Good job. What is the brand name for the pavers? They look great! Thank you!
Kandala Grey Marcin
Hi Johnny, that looks like the Stone Grey shade, is the real dried shade of the Stone Grey Easy Joint a fair representation of the colour of its lid. I'm looking for a contrasting colour to an Anthracite coloured Porcelain and I'm not keen on using the spreading grout. The colour sticker on the tub is a fair different shade to the lid
Yes Alix, you can never say the colour is going to be as close as it looks on the Lid
FYI, it's actually written on the lid in the video as "Basalt", which actually has more black and less beige compared to the "Stone Grey" colour.
I've got some Indian sandstone paving to do this week never done this type of paving before but I'll be ok as lots of paving work in the past.
Always been a traditional pointer sand and cement, I've seen that stuff you have used to grout the paving but never actually used it.
Does it have to be a dry day to use it or doesn't it matter?
Also what mix did you use to lay the paving please 4/1?
Thanks for your thoughts
Andy to be honest it’s only the last few years I have tried different products
Hi Johny what colour groud you use on the kandala grey many thanks
Hi Roland thanks for watching, Basalt is great for Kandula grey as a brush in grout but they do have a two part mix now and its good, always happy to talk, be safe mate.
Whats this like compared to regular pointing please? Does it last as long as pointing if its applied properly? Cheers 👍
Its good but needs to be done correctly
Great advice 😎👍
NIPP in garden Service cheers bud
NIPP in garden Service thank you
Hello John if you don’t mind me asking did you use a jointing iron to strike it after sweeping in?
Hi bud yes we did to ensure good compaction.
Looks great what colour did you use?
Basalt Wayne
Hi john, I’ve just laid 22sqm of sandstone at 3 sharp 1 soft and 1 cement, I’ve just bought a few tubs of mushroom easy joint but now I’m worried that the bed mix is too strong and the water won’t disperse. You said on the vid it needs to be at least 6 / 1. Cheers
Lee mate give me a call and we can discuss options.
Looks like a cross joint in the middle there johnnyboy 😂
@@darrenwilliams213 theres always one!!!!!!
Did you seal/impermeable the slabs before hand? I have a similar slab and wondering if I need to or not
no mate I did not seal on this occasion
Do you have a photo of the job once the stone and easyjoint were dry? Really struggling to find true images of the product
Hi Jo, not on this one at the moment but I will take a look , stay safe
Marshalls instructions for their Weatherpoint product say to form drainage holes in the bedding mortar along the joints at 200mm centres. Any thoughts on this as an alternative to 6 to 1 mix? Personally I can’t see the porosity being that much better between 6 and 4 to 1, particularly over time.
Making holes to allow the water to run trough in a concentrated form seems mad to me in my opinion.
Greentop Landscapes & Design Thanks for the reply and good videos. Does this stuff bond OK to plastic channels such as brick slot?
Having had so many problems with traditional pointing, as you said with the weather and low temperatures, I'm always using easyjoint now. Pointing's not so much of a bitch anymore, it's a shame you can't finish it as smooth though.
I'm putting flagstone over an existing slab (walkway). Can this product be used in that case?
Not Really Jim Sorry, be safe
Can we mix jointing sand with dry cement to fill the gaps then wet it after?
Second question: I've seen builders mix cement and jointing sand and spread it all over the flat bed of sharp sand, put the slabs down, then wet the slabs for a few minutes. What do you reckon? Is it a good idea?
Thats what they done years ago with a small joint but its not recommended
I have laid a limestone patio on a 4.1 mix. What's the best method of pointing? As they is 110m2 of it. I was hoping to use the brush in easy joint. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
if your using Easy joint check the can, a happy to talk
Unfortunately they all need a weak mortor mix to accept the easy point. If I was to go about it the old fashioned way of sand and cement what ratio is best. I have watched your other video and you have done an A1 job of the pointing.
Jonny, are you still using this for pointing? And do you use it as per instructions (6 to 1)?
I have done if the client wants it and to be honest its perfect for some areas, and yes 6-1, be safe
Which colour did you use there?
Any recommendations on who do decent indian sandstone?
Ty Cheshire Sandsanstone mate they are in Warrington, stay safe
Just interested I’d that’s the pattern you’ve been supplied to lay the patio as there seems to be a lot off cross joins.
One cross joint, and they are not a British Standard and if there are more a I can live with that
It's not in any store .how can I buy this ez joint ?
Used this product about 8 months ago on a patio but the buff and have just received photos of it all gone green and black obviously something I'm going to need to rectifi but why has it done this I haven't seen it go like this before any advice cheers
Hi Jesse, it is a porous grout so you have to use a porous bed but the way this country is with the wet it will go green, just try and pack it in tighter like the little sample blocks they do.
@@GreentopLandscapes yea this was a very wet garden with a lot of trees an stuff maybe traditional pointing will be better for this one
If the bed is too strong say a 4:1 would you consider drilling small holes every few hundred mm to help water escape during the curing process just a thought I was going to try the patio itself does have a good fall on it so never holds water just didn't go off underneath cheers for reply
Hi brilliant job what colour compound is it please
Basalt I think
Excellent thanks
@@deanyates1308 my pleasure. hope it goes well
Also putty good for end joints
Hi, great info here! I'm a homeowner doing my own patio and have already laid the pavers over 6+ inches of crushed concrete and a final 1 inch layer of 100% sand. I know the crushed concrete is permeable but is the 1 inch layer of sand permeable enough for Easyjoint? Thanks
Not sure Naaman need to see it
Nice job,is that a cross joint I can see?
Cheers bud, sorry your right it was
I've just finished laying my 20mm Porcelain patio (only 8sqm) greatly assisted by your videos. I used a 4:1 Sand cement mix and the suppliers have provided Joint Tec Superfine Jointing compound. I was going to nip out and apply it tonight but it says it shouldn't be used on anything stronger than a 6:1 mix. What do you suggest I use to joint porcelain on a 4:1 mix bed?
You have got a cross joint in your patio... Come on now lad
Does it ever set hard 24h nearly and still you can rub it out with fingers ?
Hi Peter 24th what mate
Using the joint compound looks alot easier but sounds expensive if you used 7 tubs as looked them up and £30 a tub is it because joints are wider? U use more tubs?
you do Phil
Have you ever used easy joint on porcelain paving?
couple of times but they have a porcelain grout
John if the patio is jointed already or pointed the Easy Joint would not work if the old pointing is not removed am I right , the patio has 25 to 35 mil joints between the slabs already and has been badly pointed , the builder who has put easy joint in the joints on top of old pointing and not jointed with pointing iron , I’m a retired Stonemason Bricklayer the existing pointing was not removed a bad job done
Hi Mark mate, many thanks for watching, and yes I agree with you 100%, I bet you know more than many. Be safe mate
Hi Johnny, what colour easyjoint is this? thanks
Hi Rachel that was Basalt if I am correct
Hello. Can i do the jointing using easy joint select on natural stone? or do i need to change it for the classic one? :) Thanks
You could mate, but I would go for another now personally
@GreentopLandscapes thanks for the reply , another one like what? :) Another brand or different type of jointing?
Another brand mate
@GreentopLandscapes oh i see ! :) Thanks for your help, Good luck with your TH-cam Channel and all your garden projects in the future! Really helpful your channel 👍😊
Thank you that’s very kindly if you, if you ever need to talk just ask.
What happened to joint it ?
Can i lay this stuff on a 4:1 mortar bed?
no mate
You talk about laying paving correctly though there's cross joints everywhere in your pattern?
Only two and it’s not. British standard, come on I can be forgiven, you can forgive me can’t you?
7 tubs , seams a lot , staining issues is my problem , 2 of the top names stained patios I've done , nice work tho John boy !
cheers Gav
7 tubs?! I used 1 for 14m2
Seeing a few cross joints there, do you guys not bother about them?
Dan Moore well Dan it's not a big issue for me but I take your point
I'm not criticising by the way, you guys do some fantastic work and I too don't care if the odd one goes in there with my own work 😊
I always try and avoid them but that's just me.. on the pattern guides that are occasionally supplied with the slabs, they have cross joints all over the place... just going to try easy joint but I laid on a 4:1. Doh. Back on my hands and knees for this one.
How do you grout vertically?
Well I would not with this now
I notice you have a couple of cross joints there Johnny boy! What’s gone wrong?
that was a while back Pat mate
manufacturing issues with (jet Black) it was not curing...
is it not?
Love your work, shame about the cross joint in this one!
Sorry I did take my eye off
thought crossroad joints was a no no when laying that type of paving
seems to be, though its not a British Standard
Just laid Raj blend Indian sand stone. Jointed it with easy joint and now the whole lot is i feel ruined. Loads of water on application but the residue has spoilt the look of the project. Have tried easy joint cleaner to try and remove it but no good. Really gutted as project looks rubbish now. Months of work
That’s a shame Katie, contact Easjoint direct AZPECTS in Ipswich
Looks nice shame about the cross joint in the middle though bud !
Tell me about it
Greentop Landscapes & Design your work is unreal though mate love the videos !!
All good points, one comment to add 7 tubs for 20 something square meters holy hell!!!!!!! Should be more like 3-4 tubs, when you do your beds are you leaving big gaps in the joints?
We pack it in hard and not just brush it in
@@GreentopLandscapes so do I, but don't use that much. I'd be interested to see a before and after. I definitely agree with your comments that it is more versatile than traditional pointing. (North West England so we get alot of rain)
Anna
You have got a straight line right in the middle 4 slabs wide. You should of broke the joint after 3. Stands out like a sore thumb
Roger Cask I agree
Your comment sticks out like a sore asshole
Aaarrrggghhhhh the cross joints hurt my eyes!!!!
Me to I’m so sorry
How you have used 7 tubs on 20 square meter; they reckon you can get 7-12 square meter per tub, so if you went in the middle of 10 square meter should of tool 2-3 tubs ur joins must be deep
yes i agree
7 tubs £210
TROZJAN how much area is covered per tube, based on 25x25 gaps?
7 tubs for 28m of paving
20 mate
7 tubs for 20sqm, no chance. So your saying 1 tub does 2.8 sqm. 4 tubs at most would do 20sqm
Get bent liam
I’ve always found to much water can cause the easy joint can float in the joint so I think you can have to much water in the joints 👍
Tut tut lots of cross lines there 😮
Two and it’s not a British standard, Tut tut
Really expensive product especially for eg Indian sandstone as riven edges will eat up grout and once you start you have to go on. I purchased 3 buckets for job and ended up using just under 7 and never wasted an ounce.
Thanks Charlie
Yes, very expensive! They say only 25mm depth is required. I'm wondering if it wouldn't be better to partially fill the joints with regular sand and leave just the 25mm needed for the Easyjoint. The pavers I'm laying is 70mm thick. If I fill the joints with 40mm of sand, that will save me over half on grouting materials.
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Love your work , but that's a bad laying pattern mate straight lines everywhere , and that 2asy hi
Cheers Buddy On reflection I tend to agree with you thanks for watching mate
This isn't a how-to video - it's a talk-about-it-afterwards video. Why on earth didn't you film the actual process?
I know your so right I will get it right for you next time.
Stop putting in cross joints Johnny
Lol you say that but I was once a Marshalls installer and no one ever taught me about cross joints ever at no stage it may be no defence but its not even a British standard, I have seen guys slaughtered by Keyboard Warriors by the odd cross joint and what for? just because some says it does not look good, then we all can not be perfect but its not bad in the grand scale of the work, look at the positives if you can find. them not the negatives. be safe
Greentop Landscapes & Design I know you know my rep Liam we were talking about you a couple of months ago all good 👍
I must admit nobody taught me about x joints just something I picked up in chats with other installers on Twitter
All good I’m still a subscriber
Keep safe 🍻
When we reach the point in life when were slating good, tidy work for the odd cross joint . I think we need to ask ourselves, perhaps I need something else in my life besides work.
Great vids BTW.
That was pretty useless as you didn't show us how you used the product, just spoke about it!
Thank you
Talking through what you do isnt good, showing how to use it is much better a?
Ok
You did even show how to apply the stuff ffs! BS title!
Sorry meet there are others on there
Too much talk waist of time
I know I agree your spot on
Jesus didn't even show us it in operation plus £35 a pop x 7 is a lot of doe
Your spot on