Rated or Slated? Top 10 Submariner Homages $50-$350
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- NUMBER 10 - INVICTA PRO DIVER
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NUMBER 9 - LOREO
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NUMBER 8 - HEIMDALLR
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NUMBER 7 - PAGANI 1661
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NUMBER 6 - SAN MARTIN
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NUMBER 5 - GUANQIN (It Seems The Cheronometer Still Exists! But For $90)
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NUMBER 4 - PHOIBOS 007
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NUMBER 3 - CRONOS PT5000
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NUMBER 2 - TISELL
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NUMBER 1 - CRONOS SW200
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Phew! Another 20 minute whopper. But this time, I rank these 10 in order, with a few gold stars give out for the cream of the crop. This style of watch is popular for a reason, they are great all rounders and don't break the bank. There are literally hundreds to choose from, but a few really stand out from the rest. Cheers, Jody
I've had an Invicta pro diver for over 10 years and still enjoy it. I'm not out to impress anyone, I like the look, and it still tells time accurately. I watched this video out of curiosity, and I honestly don't see any reason to go out and spend more money; on the other hand, I'm not knocking anyone who has the money and wants to go high end. Whatever makes each person happy is the big thing.
There are literally thousands of Submariner homages out there. Your Invicta made the top 10. Great investment!
Because the invicta is more expensive than it was 10 years ago, so might as well get another one with sapphire and ceramic and a better bracelet.
INVICTA Pro Diver all the way!! Mine with the NH35A movement is running 3.5 seconds slow per day after some patient adjustment. Impressive. I just got it a few days ago. Cost me €120.00 including shipping to Europe. I'm very happy with it.
“The ministry of silly walks”
Great T-shirt Jody!
... And now for something completely different 😁👍🏼
Why are we here ? We like you, Jody.
I'll watch any of your reviews.
You're bang on about the San Martin, for mine I spent 1 hour buffing out the sharp edges of the bezel with green compound for stainless steel, and went over the case edges at the lugs and clasp with a file. The Loreo will die due to movement failure at 10 months or less, as the makers said to me - and I quote " you got enough use of the watch, no warranty"
Oh boy! I think that customer service should be one of the most important criteria of a purchase like this. If you are going to copy an original, you'd better stand out at customer service!
Homages are a great way to start, also a great way to realize if you like certain style or not.
Exactly Alberto!
I’m surprised Steeldive sd1953 isn’t in here, that’s the best you can get at $100 mark. Sapphire crystal, great lume, 316L steel, 30 bar, great ceramic bezel with no back play.
yep !
I moved up the ranks of a few of these and stopped at a Steinhart Ocean 39 with explorer dial. very nice.
Thanks for remembering Tisell. I have two of the non-vintage versions (one black, one green-no date) and I absolutely love them. The glide lock clasp is an definite game changer and makes it hard to wear anything else. The Tisells tick all the boxes.
I'll be honest Jody I don't really like the Submariner look and its homages but I'm here because I just enjoy listening to you talking about watches, not matter what kind they are
I owned the 43mm Pagani Sub. Besides being too big I just found the design somewhat boring. I do really love the Pagani 'Yachtmaster' (grey sunburst dial, silver bezel) though which borrows quite a bit from the Sub.
Same!
yeah, boring look at some other watches, who cares about 10 watches that are more or less the same!
Yup same here. Dont care for sub homages, but just love watching him
@Sleve McDichael didn't infer that it was sleve, simply expressing my own opinion, sub homages boring 10 x even worse, each to their own though, but not for me.
Thanks again Jody for another informative video that really helps break down these homages! I really like the top 10 videos! I can't imagine how much work and research goes into these knowing how many of these things you see! Hope there's a Genta inspired version - maybe just a top 5 under $500 in the pipeline! Cheers!
I'm surprised the Steeldive didn't make the list yet the Pagani and the Guanqin did. The only weak point on the Steeldive is the bracelet. It's by far the best Sub homage at $100 or lower. Not to mention its lume is leagues better than anything else below $100.
I'm surprised as well. They've upgraded the bracelet as of 11/2022 to a milled clasp.
I'd like to add to one of my comments on a previous video; thanks to this channel I have Steeldive 1970, a Casio Duro, an Invicta 8926ob and now have a Vostok Amphibia on its way to me!
Nice selection mate!
14:05 Can confirm. I have a sterile version of the Cronos and I absolutely LOVE the thing. I was actually complimented on it by a gentleman wearing a subbie who sold Rolex for a living. He guessed I paid 5 or 600 for it rather than the 230ish I paid. I felt pretty good
The Cronos SW200 does indeed now come with a Glide Clasp so they're obviously paying attention Jody. Full Lume version is $419 so well worth a punt. Great Video as always.
I had the same Tissel and Loved it. Only Slight issue I had was a Gritty clicking bezel.
Been wearing a Cheronometer (NH35 version) since last November. No problems at all. Comfortable to wear. The lume on mine is actually pretty good. I still smile everytime I see the typos!
Gotta say, I bought the Pagani 1661 a little while ago and I love it. I wear it confidently knowing that it’s easily replaced, as it serves as my vacation watch. I bought the one with the James Cameron deep sea dial, and it looks far more expensive than it is. Awesome video, as always.
Wow! Thank you for a great list Jody. I need to try out that Chronos. 😊👍
awesome preemptive shot on this being a video on submariner homages, took the ‘haters’ out of the mix…!
great video btw…
I see it so often. Click on video, complain about subject. Madness! 🤣
brilliant countdown. thanks for the up
Jody! Fantastic video! 😉 On an Dutch forum I made an video about this topic and my search for an good diver. I finally found the Invicta 9937…
The Tisell has a brushed ceramic bezel, not aluminium. A cracking watch.
Their 39mm Explorer 214270 clone is a ᴄʀᴀᴄᴋᴇʀ of a watch too.
It's close to perfect on my wrist.
@@anthonysmith2982 I have that one too, but I have to be honest I find it a bit meh, wish it was 36/38 mm TBH. I also hate the male end links on both Tisell bracelets....horrible.
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I have a bit of a tree trunk of a wrist, ~8“ so the 39mm is ᴘᴇʀғᴇᴄᴛ for me, would understand why someone with smaller wrists would like the smaller diameter - it's all dial so (as you know!) wears big.
I don't mind the male end-link personally - but the way the bracelet is attached to the end-link is messy; I get what you're saying. A mate of mine with a 7" wrist has the same complaints!
Still... something about it for me. I reach over subjectively better watches all the time to put it on. Have done since I first got it! Love it!
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@@anthonysmith2982 also....the spring bar holes in the lugs are soooo close to the body, meaning you need to use curved spring bags to put a Nato on, and impossible to find any other bracelet to fit.
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That I knew was a problem before I bought it. A few old YT reviews I saw mentioned it. I actually bought some curved spring bars for the watch. But I've never taken it off the bracelet.
Love it as it is!
Sucks that other bracelets won't fit though if the the OEM one really bothers you.
I wear my Alpinist on a jubliee and it's easy to find other bracelets that will fit it. Explorers look great on Jubilees too.
What about straight end link bracelets? Or are the springbar holes to close to the case?
Fun and informative as always, thanks 😊
Very entertaining video, I missed the new San Martin 41mm though, maybe a separate video one day?
I own an Invicta Pro-Diver in black/gold. I love it. It only cost me $59.95 when I bought it on sale at Amazon a couple years ago.
I will say that Pagani Design seem to improve on their QC issues continuously: The PD1661 I bought for a friend two months ago has San Martin level of bezel action (literally no backplay whatsoever) and the fold over clasp is much easier to operate than on my slightly older PD1662 GMT-Master homage.
I got the 007 Seamaster homage a month ago and the bezel is pretty awful. Bracelet not great either even though they had apparently improved it after initial complaints.
@@Kydos37 I do think Phylida really got the 007 NTTD homage down.
@@Nothingtoya what do you mean? Is it a bad watch?
@@alexprendido2023 No, its really good. Probably the best on Aliexpress.
@@Nothingtoya thanks 😊 I'll check it
JOMW has become a staple in my morning routine when new videos drops
Great show Jody very helpful as I'm looking for something in the dive watch I really like the cronas
I enjoy these videos but I'm also suffering from submariner fatigue! Great job as usual J. JWMW is definitely comfort food for the soul.
I picked up the Pagani pd 1651 because of your videos. Thanks for the recommendation I love it.
Excellent video and one I was waiting for, thanks again Jody!
I have the Tisell Vintage Sub and it's great. It's definitely not an aluminum bezel insert though, it's brushed ceramic. Highly recommend their Explorer homage too. It's fantastic.
Hi Jody. I have the Cronos full brushed Submariner with the SW200 movement and the removed date frame and my my. I absolutely love this watch. Stunning timepiece and keeps great time. Its an eye turner for sure. Love your videos. Greetings from Thurso 🏴😊
I just wanted to say that I recently purchased the 2021 PG Design version and the Bezel action is 100% improved no wobble and the click sound is very refined. I bought it from the most reliable store on aliexpress they delivered in 10 days to the US.
The tisell has a brushed ceramic bezel. I know because I have one.
Great video as usual Jody. Love the homage show downs.
Many thanks for this very interesting video. I've just received my order of an Invicta pro diver. What a marvelous watch regarding to the price ! I am really happy with its design and the mixed brushed/ polished aspect of the bracelet. Thank you again for letting us discover your top10 of all these brands / models ! I could offer myself number10 and i really appreciate, so i guess that other models are fantatisc too !
I got the Phoibos PY007 a little over a year ago based on your prior review. It was a little tough to find and had to pay a slight premium above the $299 US and I love it. I usually wear a nicer watch to work, perhaps an Omega or Tudor, but almost always switch to this when I get home!
Wearing mine (black version) as we speak.... Worn it on leather, nato, back to steel now, anything goes, strap monster. Them subbie hommages are the shit (would never spend 10K on a watch), a diversified collection needs one. And I think we got the best ;-)
I just got the Invicta and I'm very happy with it.
This was great, thank you! The sequel to this should be the top-10 homages to the Seamaster! (AKA the “Ice Cold Rolex Killer”)
Jody, please review the new Citizen 0200 movement Really love the 70s look and feel.
I'm glad you pointed out San Martin's sharp finishing. That's been one of my problems with them. The bracelet link edges, clasps and crown are too sharp.
The sharp edges and generic clasp are my only marks against the San Martin. I like how short the end links are. And honestly, I found my Tisell Marine Diver a bit disappointing in comparison. The end links protruded a bit too much, and the bezel was hard to grip at times. That said, I'd get the Cronos if they upgrade to a true glide lock mechanism and shorten their end links.
I"m happy with the San Martin, very well made case, dial and bracelet. The bezel action is by far the best I had on a watch of this price. No QC issues. Yes the edges are a bit sharp but it's not an issue on wrist.
Couldn't agree more JRG, nothing about the San Martin feels rough to me when wearing the watch. I find the green gorgeous and the bracelet/clasp are excellent in my opinion.
My San Martin has the sharp edges; however, I love how it feels on wrist. I was able to trade another watch that I found too large, which I received at the end of a trade. So, it's all positive for me.
Loving the “Ministry of Silly Walks” tshirt Jody!!!
I don't like Submariner Homages, I'm here for the T-Shirt! 😆
Ministry of Silly Walks!
MPFC 😜
Here for the "helloooooooo..."
You didn't win it though right?!
@@SuccessShared nope! 😀
This is the video I've been waiting for. Been on the lookout for an Invicta but might revise that now :-) Cheers
Three years ago I bought a Revue Thommen Diver, stainless steel, black dial, black bezel, sapphire, screw down crown, 300M, SW200 movement, clasp with 4 micro adjustments and a divers extension, all for US$300 new. It's my daily wear and is fantastic.
They are. The movements were often high grade. The brand marketing was almost nonexistent, so...
Cronos are a great brand. Fantastic quality and a company that seems to want to keep on improving the quality of their watches. However my favourite one is the Tisell. Love the vintage look.
Jody - I hope you're well. Great video! I have that exact Tissell and I do agree with you. The design and wearability is fantastic. I would highly recommend that watch if you don't want to wear something that isn't exactly like a Rolex subby. Keep up the great work!
Jeff
The Tisel looks incredible. It wins because of omitting of the date.
I have got this picture in my head that there must be a warehouse somewhere with pallet racking stacked to the hilt with nh35 movements and a machine pumping thousands a day out and the obvious high reach fork lift truck? If in fact I hear nh 35 mentioned again I might start walking like John Cleese in that ministry on your t shirt!
You can never make this video enough. Love it.
A video covering how to buy and sell a watch. What are the options - where do people buy 2nd hand etc
I wish you had a addies / steel dive in your test. Thank you for another great comparison video. Cheers
I took a punt on the Loreo day/date after watching one of Jody's videos and the value for money is mental. I love this little watch the sizing weight look brilliant little thing. The date wheel has become jammed unfortunately but I still wear it most days. I'll buy another eventually.
The ministry T-shirt! Epic. Great video thank you
Pagani homage with NH35 is the cheapest way to get into modding since most parts are compatible with Seiko aftermarket
I needed this, thinking i was thinking of doing that with the san martin.
I went Invicta for my first mods, off Amazon for like $78
I think you are right as Pagani being the best choice, would have gotten one instead.
Get the Cronos with the Swiss movement - I have one and it’s spot on as a beater watch
"....giant carbuncles of designs....." Thank you very much for the laugh Mr. Jody.
San Martin has released an updated subby Hommage with high beat movements. Would have been interesting to have it in the mix. And the teal coloured bezel insert on the Guanqin doesn't match the green dial at all. Looks awful!
When did they release new version?
@@leonardodavinci6625 Judging from the first reviews on Ali, they released it in May.
I love my Invictas. Even the logo on the case. Cool.
very nice. you covered them all!
Great video, well done. Lots covered.
Love that Tisell, that sweet spot of price, quality and a little bit of a change from the usual. Very nice round up!
I really enjoy these types of videos!
Hi Jody! Do you happen to have the newer version of the #1 Cronos? I just bought the newer version that has the Swiss movement (STP1 11) and I'm so excited! It was thanks to this video that I finally pulled the trigger during 11.11!
Hey, rly love your vids
Could you add a timer, when u do loom tests?
The comparison is nice, but the „how long“ is what i rly want
Greetings!
I'm sad that they fixed the cheronomoter. I was hoping to get a watch with 8500 years of horology
You still can. Plenty of them left on Ali Express. I’m not sure that Jody is even right about it being a 3rd iteration. It’s GIV branded, not Guanqin. He said the branding was different. The 8500 is not there, nor cheronometer, but I’m not convinced it’s the same family.
Edit - since the rel of the video, he has changed the link. The cheronometer rules! He must have been in errror.
You can still get them on Amazon as well.
GIV is a more of downgrade since it uses a non branded generic flimsy bracelet. Get a real Guanqin, it is worth it.
Are they that much better than the Pagani design PD1661?
@@michaeldasilva5079 no, not in my opinion
Great info, thorough diquisition on the homage totality. In the same ballpark are you getting the new Squale gmt in? Getting some buzz about it anyway....
Reviews you did, Watch Yoda 😉 From those previous reviews I now have a number #9, #2 and #1. Hard to split the Cronos and Tisell for value for money. Both are very nicely manufactured but the SW200 in the Cronos just edges out the Tisell. I'm sure viewers would be extremely happy with either.👍
If I had to get a Sub homage, I'd get a Steinhart. I've had two and they were well-made watches for the price.
They have a mixed reputation among watch fans because of their homages, but they're good value and you get a decent Swiss movement inside it.
Agreed, and they have actual customer service, swiss made certifications and a somehow more original design. Tho buyers beware the caseback is slightly too bulky, and the finishing of the watch head is akin to squale, but seems to be off the standard of the chronos
I also love that they have both a 42mm and a 39mm size for those who want a bigger or smaller sub. In addition it tends to also be thinner than most homages due to the ETA/Sallita movement being thinner than the NH36 and Miyota movements that most homages use.
I've owned 7 Steinies all in all and am currently down to 5 (4x 39mm O1s plus the Paul Newman Panda homage). And I couldn't agree more. Can't compare it to the Cronos (never held one), but I find Steinhart's finish and build quality excellent.
Plus it's Swiss Made (FWIW), very well regulated (all of mine run close to or within COSC) and the customer service is indeed pretty excellent.
One word of advice for those with average to small-ish wrists: The 39mm variants look and wear way better (IMO) - especially the vintage models.
Agreed. Myself not a fan of hommages, but Steinharts are great watches on their own for sheer bang for the buck. Sellitas élaborés in a sub 1k swiss watch is nice in any case, and their 39s are wonderfully wearable.
The cronos at number 1 has a Swiss movement too
Hi Jody, your link to the revised cheronometer is to a “GIV” branded watch. Is this the 3rd iteration of the wonderful aforementioned watch after all? I see in Ali Express, the original watch from 8500 years ago is still available. Do you have inside info that Guanqin have switched to GIV for some reason?
The Cronos SW200 is C$ 438.46. Jomashop has the Swiss Made MATHEY-TISSOT Automatic Black Dial Men's Watch H9010ATN for C$ 360.01. The movement is reported an STP 1-11 which is a clone like the Sw200 of the ETA 2824-2.
I have a Tisell and I love it. That Cronos does look very good though!
I picked up a Loreo based on one of your earlier reviews and it's one of the most comfortable watches I have. Not the best diver I have, but I still like it!
Looking really tight with the new haircut!
Cheers for another entertaining video.
Another great resourceful video 👍
Always enjoy your commentary.
I love the comparison Jody and I just worked out what the t shirt is. It is of course John Cleese from Monty Python and his skit, ""The Minster for Funny walks ""
Invicta is the best looking one in my opinion. Invicta wings on seconds hand and applied logo on the beautiful glossy dial makes the watch for me. It looks good even under the macro lens. And option with scalp bezel looks better then coin edge because scalp one is wider and does not look like a straight up Rolex copy. Love my Invicta. I wear PD1661 mostly because of its robustness (sapphire + ceramic), but Invicta is always on the display under my monitor :)
Awesome roundup as always Jody.
I have one of those first gen 43mm Pagani Sub homages. I wish it was 40mm but otherwise it’s a really solid watch for the money.
If I was looking to upgrade to a nicer Sub homage I’d go with Tisell based on my experience with their Explorer homage which has the same bracelet as their Sub homage. The glide lock style clasp comes in so handy.
Another thumbs up for the pagani. Ive had mine for 18 months and its superb for the money. The only negative is that it's 43mm (a bit bulky for my skinny wrists)
Hello friend, I'm planning to get Pagani 1639 44 mm version. Hulk green. How's it's overall quality, look, feel and finish, movements? I like bigger dial watches like 43 mm and 44 mm otherwise I would have got a San Martin or Cronos. Do u know know any better quality HULK Submarine homage brands who has a 43 or 44mm dial ? Please lemme know. Thank you 😊
@@AshakJoice Hi! I don’t personally know of any 43 or 44mm Submariner homages other than the Pagani. Most brands seem to stick to 39, 40 and 41mm. The Pagani is a great watch for the money. Being picky mine has got some sharp edges on the clasp and the handset is slightly too short (it looks like they were for a 40mm diameter watch) but mine is an old model so they may have changed it. It’s got a Seiko Nh35 in it so a solid and reliable movement. For the money I’m more than happy with my Pagani 👍
You should do something similar for 62MAS homages
I’d love to see that comparison
“Plenty of it!” Thought I was watching James May for a minute….well done
I got the PT5000 Cronos (black on blue) after watching one of your videos, and the watch was so good I went and ordered the SW200 ( proper blue on black) version as well!!! You're right, they're off-the-charts fantastic. The PT5000 is a daily wearer for me and it's amazing. While I have more one or two more expensive watches than these, none are better overall. I had no doubt the SW200 would be #1.
I agree with you regarding the sharpness of the San Martin.....I feel this way with mine....
I love the top ten sub homage videos. Its amazing how good they are. Last year I bought the San Martin Version 2 and I were it almost every day. I love the watch so much that I sold my Sarb 033, because I thougt it ist a waist to have it as the second best watch.
great video jody ,i have the San Martin V3 and i completely agree with you , it is not comfortable to wear. Can you also advise the best 5 digit rolex sub homage , trust they will wear light and comfy!!!
I have no idea whether your watch channel is the best. But it's the one I like the best!
I have the cronos sw200, the Invicta and I have the Squale 1545. I’ve had this since 2015 and runs +2sec year ETA 2824-2
Thank you. Another one of your best!
I have a Submariner (no date); it's my favorite watch. Recently I bought an Invicta Pro Diver in black & gold. Great watch; I love it !
How is the bezel action on the Guanny? Neither of your videos show it! I just ordered one for a beater and want to know what I'm in for!
I don't own any Sub homages, but I am constantly tempted. Love the viseo !
I have a Invicta pro diver that was a gift. the stem is broken and it seems impossible to find out what size the replacement stem should be. The problem is the stem itself if broken so I dont know how long it needs to be. I watched plenty of videos on youtube to learn how to take apart and remove, but cannot find ANYWHERE what the stem size would be for a invicta model # 23671. Any help on finding a correct size would be truly appreciated!!
Awesome video! I was wondering if you could please recommend a clasp?
Why are you here, why did you click on the video 🤣🤣 laughed out loud at that!
Thanks for your research mate. Can you suggest upgrade glide-lock clasp for the Nr.1 Cronos. Just to take it to next level...
Have the San Martin Blue Water Ghost the bronze one. Really good watch and the bronze just looks so different.
My favorite Submariner homage far and away is the Casio Duro
I agree. Also if interested I bought the bracelet off the Pagani Design Aquaracer homage, it is an excellent bracelet & fits the watch real well, makes it feel really nice to wear.
It’s a great way to showcase these homages and I’d like to see you make a video on this way for Casio digital watches or Casio in general.
Check out this video mate.... th-cam.com/video/ql1LEr8_8iU/w-d-xo.html
@@JustOneMoreWatch Jodie your videos are outstanding , I often find myself revisiting them for information.
Great video, Jody! Next time you're in the mood to talk subbies, do a video of the best low/hi-price homages for each generation of Rolex sub.