@@impersonal6650 seriously? her behaviour? Tyrion killed his father not because of his sister, but because he found out the girl he loved was in bed with Tywin. Back to Cersei Everything pointed at Tyrion being guilty of murdering Joffrey, who pointed in his direction as he died. Tyrion's actions towards Cersei before all this, weren't helping either, she came to believe he hated her, first he sold Myrcella and later he threatened her. Joffrey's murder only reinforced her idea that it was him. Also after Tyrion killed their father, Jaime did not blame Cersei but his little brother and even said he would split him in two given the chance.
In the books: In addition to the awful smell, after several days his lips began to recede which made his corpse look like he was smiling; this made Jamie and Cersei especially uncomfortable as they knew how seldom he smiled in life due to his mistrust of laughter
Tywin didn’t love Jaime. He loved the idea of Jaime: his heir, strong, handsome, not a dwarf. So obsessed with image he couldn’t see who his best child was.
Jaime was his best child, remarkably high achieving and he even ended up being reasonably clever. No one would have taken Tyrion seriously, he was a liability to the family.
I mean Jaime was the ideal Knight handsome strong charismatic a warrior and leader of men. In Tywins view if Jaime wasnt so rebellious and do what he was Bid House Lannister would be in perfect hands
And he was hypocritical. He married out of love and when his wife died, he never remarried even if it would've strengthened his legacy and gained him more followers, yet pressured his children to do the same.
He didnt need to. Tywins father wasn’t gonna pressure him into marrying anyone. He didnt need to remarry because they were already the most powerful house, and he had multiple children.
@@user-pf1fr2zg1e This is true. However Tywin knew just how dysfunctional his family would become he immediately marry any noble lady to get better kids. 😂
No. Tywin was on the opposite extreme of the spectrum from Ned. GRRM would have intended for the best ruler to be somewhere in the middle (Tyrion? Robb?). Ned was honorable, but too naive - Tywin was smart and controlled, but too ruthless and cruel. When you never show mercy, you create a lot of unnecessary bad blood that can come back to bite you. Oberyn Martell was one example, as the Mountain was Tywin's responsibility. Tysha was another, contributing to Tyrion's wrath.
@@user-pf1fr2zg1emultiple, out of which: -The first born (and beloved) son would PERFECT to further the family legacy but is a Kings guard, not allowed to marry/have children -The second son is a dwarf, in his eyes not worthy of the honour of having the Casterly Rock -The daughter who thinks highly of her intelligence but is in fact, an idiot - and "just a woman".. If Tywin was truly smart, he would have remarried, even just for the sake of having another, healthy male heir.
Ned didn't understood rules of game. Died in unjust execution. And yet his legacy of honor lives on even after his death. Tywin understood rules of game perfectly. He died in craphouse by the very son he hated. No one even came to his funeral due to stench of his shit stained corpse, and no one ever remembered him ever after. Ironic,cruel, karmic
@@loominizer31 he's referencing the books In the books, after Tywin died, it was said that his body had a horrible stench to the point where it stunk so much that no amount of incense was able to cloud the disgusting smell that his corpse. I guess it's a way to show how much of a vile and disgusting man Tywin was and just another way to bring further shame to him even after death
Tywin Lannister knew 99% of the Rules but he forgot the 1% that Ned Stark excelled at: Inspiring Loyalty. His high-handed measures made his subjects and allies very wary of him, while Ned Stark enjoyed the near-unconditional loyalty of the North. Tywin had exceptional children but they held no real affection for him- he was killed by Tyrion let's not forget. Ned Stark's children were average by comparison, but they loved and cherished his memory and fought for his cause even as their hold on the North fell apart. Ned's influence even rubbed-off on Theon Greyjoy, a man who tried his best to be a better man than the rest of the Greyjoys. Tywin's legacy ended when Jaime and Cersei died, leaving an unwilling and spiteful Tyrion to take up the mantle.
Something I wish they kept from the books is that Tywin's body stank so horribly that Tommen was crying during the funeral, and Cersei had to force him not to run away. Thematically, Tywin is associated with shit. His horse shits in the throne room, he dies on the shitter, and the foul stench of his corpse are all GRRM's way of telling us that his legacy is full of shit.
No , he didn't do the right thing. This is a small but important change to the books. Here Tyrion has no reason to go to the tower of the Hand. In the Books Jamie tells him about his first wife. That she really loved him and his father made her into a whore. Also when he went to the tower he found Shae who begged for her life , but he killed her , then went after his father. Fueled by anger , grief and bitterness. The "Book Tyrion" is a villain. The "Series Tyrion" is an Anti-Hero. But make no mistake , even here it was a mistake killing Tywin. By killing him , his daughter was off the leash. Chaos spread even faster because the lack of a strong hand. If Tywin lived many attrocities wouldn't have happened.
Facts. Had they not made his life miserable and actually treated him as family im sure he wouldn't have had the inclination to take out a member of said family.
The scene where Tyrion confronts Tywin in the privy. After trying to manipulate Tyrion into putting down that crossbow and failing, he angrily says "you are no son of mine!". But Tyrion was. He didn't fall for the trick because he knew his father. He fully intended to get Tyrion executed from the start. "You are no son of mine!", said with a bolt on his chest confirmed all of Tyrion's suspicions. But he could have walked away. Tywin probably wouldn't pursue him. Seeing Shae in his bed probably sealed the deal.
Tyrion frakked the number 1 Paramount House of the continent. The dwarf is a traitor & low life. No matter what, Tywin did not try to kill or injure or beat the dwarf in his lifetime. Despite he could have made the dwarf disappear in a blink of an eye from birth to that toilet moment. But he did not. So there was no self defense there. That was an assasination. The dwarf bitch, as a punishment, should have been slaughtered.
In life he had so much dignity. In death.......... well, the corpse stank so much that Tommen fled the sept to vomit and several of the mourners fainted.
@@EvilSapphireRthere's a theory that Oberyn had already poisoned Tywin, which is why he had to go to the privy in the middle of the night (he was already suffering from the effects) and why he stank even as Tyrion killed him
@@brokenspacebar9628damn that’s actually great. I’m choosing to believe that because it makes me feel slightly better about Oberyn’s death. His plan was successful since he in essence got both targets, so as far as revenge plots go that’s up there as one of the most successful. Plus he helped make Tywin’s last moments as shameful and humbling as possible. Who knows if Tyrion would’ve even got him if he hadn’t been caught with his pants down
@@wesspectMakes it worse.Its way more poetic that the only reason why Tywin died is because of Tyrion not his enemies not Dorne not daenerys. He died from the man he despised the most and never thought was capable to doing something like this. Him being all obsessed with Legacy yet his sole legacy being that he died by his ugly son while he was taking a shit is just incredibly good writing.
Had Tyrion merely escaped, there would have been a good chance that either Tywin himself, or most certainly Cersei would send Assasins after him. Cersei had already tried to get Tyrion killed during the Battle of Blackwater Bay, with a corrupted Kingsguard, who was speared in the head by Podrick...the wound that Tyrion suffered in the 'Defense of the Capitol'... somethint Tywin completely, or purposely ignored?
Who cares? While they may have "loved" Joffrey in a parental sense, they both knew he was a monster and definitely didn't "like" him or the person he was. You can easily have love for someone while simultaneously not liking them at all.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849I mean the show decided to turn that scene into an even more disgusting act than it already was. Jaime and Cersei were both having immensely different feelings during their copulation. Jaime was starved for her but also knew after Joffery's death Cersei would be a wreck and looking for some comfort. On the flip side Cersei to her credit did mourn the death of her son. But also had the fear of the prophecy coming even closer to fruition with the death of her first born and Margery being the next queen.
Cersei ignoring her own part in her Father's death. If Tyrion killed Tywin, she alone pushed for Tyrion to be executed for Joeffrey's death knowing full well he likely didn't do it.
Cersei truly believed he did it. All because Joffrey pointed an accusing finger at Tyrion while he was dying and also because of her biased hatred towards him her whole life which ultimately leads to her family's downfall
Yes, Lord Tywin was the best villian by far. His only rival in that area was possibly Ramsey Bolton while Euron Greyjoy was a silly and over the top villain. Tywin was a classic ' interesting bad guy' in that he was at least 5 chess moves ahead of his rivals. You could hate him but you also had to respect him too and his powerful presence was so we'll acted by Charles Dance. I would love another GOTr prequel about Robert's Rebellion. Not sure who could play the younger Tywin but Jude Law comes to mind.
@@Kakarot803 Agreed. Roose Bolton actually thought like Tywin but he was not on the same level. His only real match was Lady Olenna I think. Tywin was a multi level chess player.
@@arhaan8170In the books Tywin is political evil, Ramsey is a psychotic/inhuman evil, and Euron is an ethereal/lovecraftian evil from what I understand. I could have sworn I remember reading from GRRM that book Euron was the most evil of these three characters
Here lies Tywin Lannister, alongside his wife Joanna, and alongside them both, the soul of HBO's world-wide critically acclaimed tv series Game of Thrones.
Tywin was great at matters of politics.his patients in roberts rebellion was brilliant..let them destroy each other..ill come in at the end and help the winning side..understanding robb stark was too young and would make mistakes..but as good as he was in politics..he was a terrible father ..he viewed his kids as political pawn...not human beings..the man spend to much time thinking of the future and not what he had in front of him..I don't believe tywin was evil..but when when you win as much as he won...he really thought nothing could get ahead of him ..
Why wouldn't she? They both hated Tyrion. Jaime loved Tyrion as his brother, and that's why he probably didn't fully love Tywin because he didn't approve how his father treated his brother
Even if the worst happens people like Cersei never understand that they are the problem ... who they were as people created enemies everywhere even in their own family ....
It still stands out to me that "Tyrion may be a monster but at least he killed our father on purpose" is one of the harshest things Cersei ever said, because she had to find a way to sorta-kinda compliment one of the figures in her life that she loathes the most just to put someone else down.
Cersei isn't evil. Everything she does is for her family, at least in her eyes. She constantly though tried to over compensate for the fact she was a woman which was her main downfall. She never considered her limits. Male or female you can go to far or be too fast in acting. Cersei isn't a clear cut villain. She deeply loved her kids and she loved both Tywin and Jaimie. Even her hatred for Tyrion isn't self created, it was imprinted onto her by her father who told her over and over since she was a child that Tyrion is the reason her mother died.
@@shanehughes3511she’s still a narcissist in her mind she does it for her family but she’s still uses her family for her own selfish purposes. She’s never had a deep personal relationship with anyone because she wants to be in control and she always doted on Joffrey since he was the eldest and looked like her.
@@shanehughes3511 -having "good intentions" in your own mind doesn't mean you're not a villain though. Every evil villain thinks their actions are justified.
If you want to be really abstract about it, Cersei killed her father the moment she called for Tyrion's arrest. If you want to be literal, Tywin killed himself. Tyrion did warn him... in fact, the only one not involved with any demise was Jaime. The 3 eyed raven wouldn't have existed if not for him.
I love the connection of Cersei calling Tyrion a monster to Jaime and later on, how Tyrion tells Jaime that he was the only one who didn’t think he was a monster.
I hated how basically Jaime admitted to Cersei he released Tyrion its something hes only possibly told Ser Illyn Payne and the only reason being he is mute and cant read or write. Its a deed that weights extremely heavy on him.
@yigit-nh2vn yara sailing to the dreadfort (around an entire continent and 100s of kms inland) Jaime raping Cersei (complete retarded scene) Brienne naming her sword instead of Jaime naming it for her, Jaime arriving while Sansa was still in Kings Landing (breaks his oath....) Shae backstabbing Tyrion and the whiteashing of Tyrion (he kills her in self defense in the show but in the books straight up murders her even tho she was forced to betray him) and the Tysha confession scene from Jaime to Tyrion before he kills Tywin which ruined Tyrions arc and therefore every character around him for the rest of the series. Another stupid scene was Brienne fighing the Hound and winning. It was forced and terrible writing, didnt happen in the books. Also nobody bats an eye at Sandor Clegane telling a shit ton of Knights of the Vale that hes with Arya Stark which should be a huge deal because shes been missing for months and they would definitely spread word of it. The deeper you look the more you see the cracks. It is still a great season and one of the best on TV but it really laid the foundations for the shows failure
Tywin was a full-blown narcissist scum bag. As the story progressed, Jamie became increasingly distant from his family because he finally started to see them for what they were and rightfully rejected them for it.
Imagine a different storyline where Tyrion mobilized his army and defeats Stannis from taking Kings Landing, then Stannis regrouped and with most Lanister forces out at Kings landing, he goes on takes Castley Rock. Tyrion hears of this is embarrassed and mobilzes his forces to retake his home and in an epic battle meets Stanis face to face and is killed like a warrior. Then after some episodes Jammie regroups and defats Stanis and kills him in battle thus revenging his father What a cool way for the two big characters to go off, not the stupid story we saw...
Thats actually the brilliance of the writing: If you look at the stories from the character's perspective, there are but a féw "actual" villains... Tywin was consolodating his House's position as thé most Powerful House in Westeros...and after Roberts failed rulership, bring peace and prosperity back to Westeros.. Knowing the history; Tywin's véry succesful years as Hand to Mad Aerys, Tywin wás the bést man for that job! Yet Tywin's ambitions blinded him from the truth: Had he looked closer at his Twins, he would have known, and impred FAR more discretion to Jaime and Cersei...which COULD have prevented Brann catching them, and being pushed from the Tower ..for thát put the Starks on Edge already! Similarly, Tywin was far to little involved with keeping Robert's 'heir', Goffrey in check... had he been closer to thát, Goffrey wouldnt have executed Ned Stark, giving Tywin/the Lannisters a valuable hostage to keep the North in check!! No if Tywin's endgame was to seize the Throne for House Lannister, he should have been wáy more involved in Court! That was Tywin's biggest mistake..
Tywin, Cercei, Tyrion, and Joffrey were all different but all of them failed to use what could have been their greatest strength: family unity. Tywin treated his children like skilled servants. He only listened to them if it was convenient but otherwise controlled them through emotional blackmail and sometimes just regular blackmail. If he had listened to Cersei when she said she didn’t want to remarry instead of trying to force her to marry Ser Loras he would have prevented Tommen’s eventual death. If he had listened to Tyrion and not forced him to marry Sansa he himself wouldn’t have died. Cersei and Tyrion’s rivalry for Tywin’s approval arguably caused most every important death in Westeros. Joffrey only listened when forced, but if he had listened to Cersei’s warnings about Margaery, Lady Ollenna wouldn’t have killed him (I’m sure someone would have killed him eventually anyway but maybe not Ollena). They never acted like a proper family unless Jamie was directly involved because they all loved Jamie (except maybe Joffrey bc I’m pretty sure he wasn’t capable of love) or at the very least trusted Jamie enough to defend them and keep their secrets. If they all listened to each other the way they listened to Jamie they would have remained undefeated and won the game of thrones. Obviously Tywin is to blame for this because he played his children against each other all the time and created this antagonistic familial atmosphere. He was a very strong and strategic character but he would have benefited from simply loving his children as people instead of just viewing them as his “legacy.”
Cersei just casually ignoring the fact that they were going to kill Tyrion first, and when he escapes and kills her dad, suddenly it’s awful and disgusting! Oh how I love the double standards.
Sounds like some jealousy on her part (“He loved you more than anyone in the world”). And she has to get her shot in at him (It’s your fault this happened).
I love how cersei blames jaime but in reality her actions of accusing tyrion of joffreys murder is the thing that set this in stone
That's the point of narcissistic behavior
@@impersonal6650 seriously? her behaviour? Tyrion killed his father not because of his sister, but because he found out the girl he loved was in bed with Tywin. Back to Cersei Everything pointed at Tyrion being guilty of murdering Joffrey, who pointed in his direction as he died.
Tyrion's actions towards Cersei before all this, weren't helping either, she came to believe he hated her, first he sold Myrcella and later he threatened her. Joffrey's murder only reinforced her idea that it was him.
Also after Tyrion killed their father, Jaime did not blame Cersei but his little brother and even said he would split him in two given the chance.
@@Aldebaran71-d9vNot reading allat, it's messy and I bet it's just another shit opinion from a shit game of thrones fan
@@Aldebaran71-d9vyou’re so wrong on every major point. Read the books.
@@Aldebaran71-d9v are u seriously defending cersei and tywin 💀💀
A Lannister funeral without at least some incestuous sex is considered a dull affair.....
Wasn’t that at Joffrey’s funeral ? Or both perhaps ? 🤔
Viserys approves
Jaime: Let's use him as a bed.
Illyrio Mopatis
Still the funniest joke in the show
In the books: In addition to the awful smell, after several days his lips began to recede which made his corpse look like he was smiling; this made Jamie and Cersei especially uncomfortable as they knew how seldom he smiled in life due to his mistrust of laughter
thats creepy
The reason it happened was because of a small act of vengeance from two of the sisters of silence.
oh god. i actually wanted to write that the makeup artists did a great job. he looks convincingly dead it’s actually uncomfortable
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And on top of that Jaime never tells Cersei he released Tyrion
“You’re a man of action are you? Never mind the consequences”
Look who’s talking lmao
Seriously, this is exactly what I thought. You're one to talk, Cersei. Every choice she makes screws over the whole family.
Perfectly describes Tywin's opinion of Cersei; She's not as smart as she thinks she is...
@@thegreenreaper6660yeah but she atleast makes calculated movies unlike Jaime
@@udhay7920 But damn...she's bad at math, isn't she?
@@udhay7920 that makes her incompetence worse, not better
Tywin didn’t love Jaime. He loved the idea of Jaime: his heir, strong, handsome, not a dwarf. So obsessed with image he couldn’t see who his best child was.
Let's say he loved both. The son and the image
That’s great observation! I agree 🙏🏽
Jaime was his best child, remarkably high achieving and he even ended up being reasonably clever. No one would have taken Tyrion seriously, he was a liability to the family.
Nah Tywin loved Jamie. Remember when Tywin admitted Jamie had dyslexia so he sat down with him and taught him how to read through it
I mean Jaime was the ideal Knight handsome strong charismatic a warrior and leader of men. In Tywins view if Jaime wasnt so rebellious and do what he was Bid House Lannister would be in perfect hands
By far the best ruler of the show. His only mistakes were treating his children as pawns and despising Tyrion, and paid the ultimate price for it.
And he was hypocritical. He married out of love and when his wife died, he never remarried even if it would've strengthened his legacy and gained him more followers, yet pressured his children to do the same.
He didnt need to. Tywins father wasn’t gonna pressure him into marrying anyone. He didnt need to remarry because they were already the most powerful house, and he had multiple children.
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This is true. However Tywin knew just how dysfunctional his family would become he immediately marry any noble lady to get better kids. 😂
No. Tywin was on the opposite extreme of the spectrum from Ned. GRRM would have intended for the best ruler to be somewhere in the middle (Tyrion? Robb?).
Ned was honorable, but too naive - Tywin was smart and controlled, but too ruthless and cruel. When you never show mercy, you create a lot of unnecessary bad blood that can come back to bite you. Oberyn Martell was one example, as the Mountain was Tywin's responsibility. Tysha was another, contributing to Tyrion's wrath.
@@user-pf1fr2zg1emultiple, out of which:
-The first born (and beloved) son would PERFECT to further the family legacy but is a Kings guard, not allowed to marry/have children
-The second son is a dwarf, in his eyes not worthy of the honour of having the Casterly Rock
-The daughter who thinks highly of her intelligence but is in fact, an idiot - and "just a woman"..
If Tywin was truly smart, he would have remarried, even just for the sake of having another, healthy male heir.
Ned didn't understood rules of game. Died in unjust execution. And yet his legacy of honor lives on even after his death.
Tywin understood rules of game perfectly. He died in craphouse by the very son he hated. No one even came to his funeral due to stench of his shit stained corpse, and no one ever remembered him ever after.
Ironic,cruel, karmic
@@loominizer31 he's referencing the books
In the books, after Tywin died, it was said that his body had a horrible stench to the point where it stunk so much that no amount of incense was able to cloud the disgusting smell that his corpse.
I guess it's a way to show how much of a vile and disgusting man Tywin was and just another way to bring further shame to him even after death
Tywin Lannister knew 99% of the Rules but he forgot the 1% that Ned Stark excelled at: Inspiring Loyalty. His high-handed measures made his subjects and allies very wary of him, while Ned Stark enjoyed the near-unconditional loyalty of the North. Tywin had exceptional children but they held no real affection for him- he was killed by Tyrion let's not forget. Ned Stark's children were average by comparison, but they loved and cherished his memory and fought for his cause even as their hold on the North fell apart. Ned's influence even rubbed-off on Theon Greyjoy, a man who tried his best to be a better man than the rest of the Greyjoys. Tywin's legacy ended when Jaime and Cersei died, leaving an unwilling and spiteful Tyrion to take up the mantle.
@@dannyrodriguez2365 a cunning and ruthless man like Tywin might outlive a good man like Ned, but a good man doesn't die unmourned.
@@MarvinT0606lmao Ned ended on a pyke, disrespected and unmourned
@miaomiiao mocked and disrespected by King's Landing, but the whole North rose up in revolt to avenge him
Something I wish they kept from the books is that Tywin's body stank so horribly that Tommen was crying during the funeral, and Cersei had to force him not to run away. Thematically, Tywin is associated with shit. His horse shits in the throne room, he dies on the shitter, and the foul stench of his corpse are all GRRM's way of telling us that his legacy is full of shit.
Tywin goated
They also said he shits gold
@@Hewkllin fact, Tywin's shit was not made of gold.
Rip to the best villain of the whole series
Easily
There are no villians, only the game of thrones
Character* nevermind villain.
In the books it's Euron in the show maybe Tywin but there is much worse
tech he was on the side of the law the entire time.
"bla bla bla consequences"
*arms the Spanish Inquisition but worse "
After the death of Tywin Lannister the show story started to decline .
As the saying goes, “Game of Thrones Died with Tywin.”
@@not4e1 He took all good writing with him as last fuck you to Tyrion.
For me it was Ramsey's
@@not4e1 not because tywin made the show--as good as his character was--but because that's when GRRM left and dumb&dumber took over.
@@youseff500 They were always in control.
after tywin death Lannister never felt much threat, i wished Tywin could have been till last season. Really great character
Cersei and Tywin made Tyrion into a “monster” that would kill his own father. Tyrion did the right thing
No , he didn't do the right thing.
This is a small but important change to the books. Here Tyrion has no reason to go to the tower of the Hand.
In the Books Jamie tells him about his first wife. That she really loved him and his father made her into a whore.
Also when he went to the tower he found Shae who begged for her life , but he killed her , then went after his father.
Fueled by anger , grief and bitterness.
The "Book Tyrion" is a villain. The "Series Tyrion" is an Anti-Hero.
But make no mistake , even here it was a mistake killing Tywin.
By killing him , his daughter was off the leash. Chaos spread even faster because the lack of a strong hand.
If Tywin lived many attrocities wouldn't have happened.
Facts. Had they not made his life miserable and actually treated him as family im sure he wouldn't have had the inclination to take out a member of said family.
Tyrion was never a monster they rest of them where monsters
The scene where Tyrion confronts Tywin in the privy.
After trying to manipulate Tyrion into putting down that crossbow and failing, he angrily says "you are no son of mine!".
But Tyrion was. He didn't fall for the trick because he knew his father. He fully intended to get Tyrion executed from the start.
"You are no son of mine!", said with a bolt on his chest confirmed all of Tyrion's suspicions.
But he could have walked away. Tywin probably wouldn't pursue him. Seeing Shae in his bed probably sealed the deal.
Tyrion frakked the number 1 Paramount House
of the continent.
The dwarf is a traitor & low life.
No matter what,
Tywin did not try to kill or injure
or beat the dwarf in his lifetime.
Despite he could have made the dwarf disappear in a blink of an eye
from birth to that toilet moment.
But he did not.
So there was no self defense there.
That was an assasination.
The dwarf bitch, as a punishment,
should have been slaughtered.
In life he had so much dignity. In death.......... well, the corpse stank so much that Tommen fled the sept to vomit and several of the mourners fainted.
Why didn't they clean it?
@@EvilSapphireR Tywin wasn't a popular man so the Silent Sisters may have........neglected to fully prepare the body.
@@EvilSapphireRthere's a theory that Oberyn had already poisoned Tywin, which is why he had to go to the privy in the middle of the night (he was already suffering from the effects) and why he stank even as Tyrion killed him
@@brokenspacebar9628damn that’s actually great. I’m choosing to believe that because it makes me feel slightly better about Oberyn’s death. His plan was successful since he in essence got both targets, so as far as revenge plots go that’s up there as one of the most successful. Plus he helped make Tywin’s last moments as shameful and humbling as possible. Who knows if Tyrion would’ve even got him if he hadn’t been caught with his pants down
@@wesspectMakes it worse.Its way more poetic that the only reason why Tywin died is because of Tyrion not his enemies not Dorne not daenerys. He died from the man he despised the most and never thought was capable to doing something like this. Him being all obsessed with Legacy yet his sole legacy being that he died by his ugly son while he was taking a shit is just incredibly good writing.
2:00 - 2:20
I’ll bet Cersei never imagined in all her life that she would defend Tyrion against Jaime
wouldnt really call that defending
@@awepossum1059 more of a little bit of respect
that was not her defending him, that was her giving him (i believe) a backhanded compliment
She wasn't defending Tyrion; she was insulting Jaime.
Part of me isn’t happy about this but I don’t blame Tyrion.
Had Tyrion merely escaped, there would have been a good chance that either Tywin himself, or most certainly Cersei would send Assasins after him.
Cersei had already tried to get Tyrion killed during the Battle of Blackwater Bay, with a corrupted Kingsguard, who was speared in the head by Podrick...the wound that Tyrion suffered in the 'Defense of the Capitol'... somethint Tywin completely, or purposely ignored?
@@thegreenreaper6660 Good point.
Tywin was an absolute monster to Tyrion. He literally had his first love get gang raped and made Tyrion watch.
00:01 literally looks like a monster coming out of a cupboard... oh wait, it is!
I couldn't stop thinking how these two could do what they did at Joffrey's funeral.
How Jaime raped Cersei how lovely…
Even they didn't dare
Who cares? While they may have "loved" Joffrey in a parental sense, they both knew he was a monster and definitely didn't "like" him or the person he was. You can easily have love for someone while simultaneously not liking them at all.
@@whoknows4379 Sure, all of this is VERY obvioust to most - yet that's not what they were talking about lmao.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849I mean the show decided to turn that scene into an even more disgusting act than it already was. Jaime and Cersei were both having immensely different feelings during their copulation. Jaime was starved for her but also knew after Joffery's death Cersei would be a wreck and looking for some comfort. On the flip side Cersei to her credit did mourn the death of her son. But also had the fear of the prophecy coming even closer to fruition with the death of her first born and Margery being the next queen.
Cersei ignoring her own part in her Father's death. If Tyrion killed Tywin, she alone pushed for Tyrion to be executed for Joeffrey's death knowing full well he likely didn't do it.
Cersei truly believed he did it. All because Joffrey pointed an accusing finger at Tyrion while he was dying and also because of her biased hatred towards him her whole life which ultimately leads to her family's downfall
Yes, Lord Tywin was the best villian by far. His only rival in that area was possibly Ramsey Bolton while Euron Greyjoy was a silly and over the top villain. Tywin was a classic ' interesting bad guy' in that he was at least 5 chess moves ahead of his rivals. You could hate him but you also had to respect him too and his powerful presence was so we'll acted by Charles Dance. I would love another GOTr prequel about Robert's Rebellion. Not sure who could play the younger Tywin but Jude Law comes to mind.
Book euron is not some silly villian he is literally evil
Bro not even Ramsey is close to Tywin lol
Tywin is on another level
@@Kakarot803 Agreed. Roose Bolton actually thought like Tywin but he was not on the same level. His only real match was Lady Olenna I think. Tywin was a multi level chess player.
@@arhaan8170In the books Tywin is political evil, Ramsey is a psychotic/inhuman evil, and Euron is an ethereal/lovecraftian evil from what I understand. I could have sworn I remember reading from GRRM that book Euron was the most evil of these three characters
Reminds me of Admiral Thrawn for SWR. So smart and calculated. Everything he says and does has a purpose.
Here lies Tywin Lannister, alongside his wife Joanna, and alongside them both, the soul of HBO's world-wide critically acclaimed tv series Game of Thrones.
Cersei is blinded enough that she still believes Tywin would have loved anything except his legacy.
With Tywin the show died too.
No, it is one of the reasons why the show was so good.
Later it became trash
At least Tywin's funeral was a lot nicer than Joffrey's.
No rape
Considering the books, not really
So sad how abused people so often continue to love their abuser.
Tywin resurrected the Lannister name. However, it also died with him.
Tywin was great at matters of politics.his patients in roberts rebellion was brilliant..let them destroy each other..ill come in at the end and help the winning side..understanding robb stark was too young and would make mistakes..but as good as he was in politics..he was a terrible father ..he viewed his kids as political pawn...not human beings..the man spend to much time thinking of the future and not what he had in front of him..I don't believe tywin was evil..but when when you win as much as he won...he really thought nothing could get ahead of him ..
I love the Tywin memes of him shouting at his own children but being nice to Arya.
Cersei actually loved Tywin the most
Why wouldn't she? They both hated Tyrion.
Jaime loved Tyrion as his brother, and that's why he probably didn't fully love Tywin because he didn't approve how his father treated his brother
Well, he forced her to marry Robert and Loras Tyrell
Even if the worst happens people like Cersei never understand that they are the problem ... who they were as people created enemies everywhere even in their own family ....
In actual life, Peter Dinklage is good friends with Lena Headley and recommended her for the Cersei role.
The stones with the eyeballs on them look really creepy on the person.
It’s funny how Cersei looks exactly like she did at Joffrey’s wedding
It still stands out to me that "Tyrion may be a monster but at least he killed our father on purpose" is one of the harshest things Cersei ever said, because she had to find a way to sorta-kinda compliment one of the figures in her life that she loathes the most just to put someone else down.
So peter destroyed the show by killing charles dance’s character…now i blame peter for the show falling apart. 😂😂😂😂
Margerys smug smile
2:43 was the sweetest gesture. Even from someone like Cercei
Cersei isn't evil. Everything she does is for her family, at least in her eyes. She constantly though tried to over compensate for the fact she was a woman which was her main downfall. She never considered her limits. Male or female you can go to far or be too fast in acting.
Cersei isn't a clear cut villain.
She deeply loved her kids and she loved both Tywin and Jaimie. Even her hatred for Tyrion isn't self created, it was imprinted onto her by her father who told her over and over since she was a child that Tyrion is the reason her mother died.
@@shanehughes3511she’s still a narcissist in her mind she does it for her family but she’s still uses her family for her own selfish purposes. She’s never had a deep personal relationship with anyone because she wants to be in control and she always doted on Joffrey since he was the eldest and looked like her.
@@shanehughes3511 Cersei does love her kids, but she's still a clear cut villain.
@@carastone3473 She does show love to one of her brothers and her first cousin as well.😉
@@shanehughes3511 -having "good intentions" in your own mind doesn't mean you're not a villain though. Every evil villain thinks their actions are justified.
Really? Is Cersei really going to lecture Jaime about consequences of your own stupidity?? Pretty sure that's what this whole season is for her😂😂
If you want to be really abstract about it, Cersei killed her father the moment she called for Tyrion's arrest. If you want to be literal, Tywin killed himself. Tyrion did warn him... in fact, the only one not involved with any demise was Jaime. The 3 eyed raven wouldn't have existed if not for him.
Cersei kills Tommen by mistake later lmao the irony
“They will wait” always gets me 😅❤
Garbage scene. Tywin doesn’t even have any lines.
He’s dead duh
Better soundtrack
In Books jaimie is more clever than cersei
I love the connection of Cersei calling Tyrion a monster to Jaime and later on, how Tyrion tells Jaime that he was the only one who didn’t think he was a monster.
Next time can you upload the video in 144 pp?, I still can se some pixels in this one.
I hated how basically Jaime admitted to Cersei he released Tyrion its something hes only possibly told Ser Illyn Payne and the only reason being he is mute and cant read or write. Its a deed that weights extremely heavy on him.
Joanna be slapping Tywin in the afterlife for how their kids turned out though
That look from Margaery, she hates her
I wish they had leaned in to how the book described his corpse, as rotting away before their eyes and stinking horribly
After Tywin died the series started to decline.
A common saying but the foundations of the shows death were already there before he died. Season 4 had some garbage scenes
Yes but is not of that
Is because the book has like 20 plots and Characters
And this idiots start killing Selmy or the Sand Snakes 😂😂😂 you know
@yigit-nh2vn yara sailing to the dreadfort (around an entire continent and 100s of kms inland) Jaime raping Cersei (complete retarded scene) Brienne naming her sword instead of Jaime naming it for her, Jaime arriving while Sansa was still in Kings Landing (breaks his oath....) Shae backstabbing Tyrion and the whiteashing of Tyrion (he kills her in self defense in the show but in the books straight up murders her even tho she was forced to betray him) and the Tysha confession scene from Jaime to Tyrion before he kills Tywin which ruined Tyrions arc and therefore every character around him for the rest of the series. Another stupid scene was Brienne fighing the Hound and winning. It was forced and terrible writing, didnt happen in the books. Also nobody bats an eye at Sandor Clegane telling a shit ton of Knights of the Vale that hes with Arya Stark which should be a huge deal because shes been missing for months and they would definitely spread word of it. The deeper you look the more you see the cracks. It is still a great season and one of the best on TV but it really laid the foundations for the shows failure
Potato cam has no place in the 21st century.
Tywin was a full-blown narcissist scum bag. As the story progressed, Jamie became increasingly distant from his family because he finally started to see them for what they were and rightfully rejected them for it.
Imagine a different storyline where Tyrion mobilized his army and defeats Stannis from taking Kings Landing, then Stannis regrouped and with most Lanister forces out at Kings landing, he goes on takes Castley Rock. Tyrion hears of this is embarrassed and mobilzes his forces to retake his home and in an epic battle meets Stanis face to face and is killed like a warrior. Then after some episodes Jammie regroups and defats Stanis and kills him in battle thus revenging his father
What a cool way for the two big characters to go off, not the stupid story we saw...
Tywin didn’t think he was a villain he just wanted power 😊
Thats actually the brilliance of the writing: If you look at the stories from the character's perspective, there are but a féw "actual" villains... Tywin was consolodating his House's position as thé most Powerful House in Westeros...and after Roberts failed rulership, bring peace and prosperity back to Westeros.. Knowing the history; Tywin's véry succesful years as Hand to Mad Aerys, Tywin wás the bést man for that job!
Yet Tywin's ambitions blinded him from the truth: Had he looked closer at his Twins, he would have known, and impred FAR more discretion to Jaime and Cersei...which COULD have prevented Brann catching them, and being pushed from the Tower ..for thát put the Starks on Edge already!
Similarly, Tywin was far to little involved with keeping Robert's 'heir', Goffrey in check... had he been closer to thát, Goffrey wouldnt have executed Ned Stark, giving Tywin/the Lannisters a valuable hostage to keep the North in check!!
No if Tywin's endgame was to seize the Throne for House Lannister, he should have been wáy more involved in Court!
That was Tywin's biggest mistake..
I'm pissed asfff we never not once got a scene of tywin, cersei, and jamie together !
And now let the gradual downfall of the show begin......
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"They will wait!" - Cersei.
"To make sure that the madafaka really IS dead." - Narrative.
Wats up with the fake eyes. Look like the ones you win at peter piper pizza 😂
I don't think he loved anybofy. Not even his children.
Perfect music for such a great scene
Музыкальная тема Серсеи - мощь, угроза и печаль
And now the rains weep ore HIS halls.
Tywin, Cercei, Tyrion, and Joffrey were all different but all of them failed to use what could have been their greatest strength: family unity. Tywin treated his children like skilled servants. He only listened to them if it was convenient but otherwise controlled them through emotional blackmail and sometimes just regular blackmail. If he had listened to Cersei when she said she didn’t want to remarry instead of trying to force her to marry Ser Loras he would have prevented Tommen’s eventual death. If he had listened to Tyrion and not forced him to marry Sansa he himself wouldn’t have died. Cersei and Tyrion’s rivalry for Tywin’s approval arguably caused most every important death in Westeros. Joffrey only listened when forced, but if he had listened to Cersei’s warnings about Margaery, Lady Ollenna wouldn’t have killed him (I’m sure someone would have killed him eventually anyway but maybe not Ollena). They never acted like a proper family unless Jamie was directly involved because they all loved Jamie (except maybe Joffrey bc I’m pretty sure he wasn’t capable of love) or at the very least trusted Jamie enough to defend them and keep their secrets. If they all listened to each other the way they listened to Jamie they would have remained undefeated and won the game of thrones. Obviously Tywin is to blame for this because he played his children against each other all the time and created this antagonistic familial atmosphere. He was a very strong and strategic character but he would have benefited from simply loving his children as people instead of just viewing them as his “legacy.”
Jaime still protects tyrion true brother
lower quality pliz
When Tywin died it felt unreal to me. I thought this guy was immortal.
Cersei just casually ignoring the fact that they were going to kill Tyrion first, and when he escapes and kills her dad, suddenly it’s awful and disgusting! Oh how I love the double standards.
Well done tyrion
Sounds like some jealousy on her part (“He loved you more than anyone in the world”). And she has to get her shot in at him (It’s your fault this happened).
I always wonder for these scenes, did they make a lifelike dummy or did Charles Dance actually have the Iie there for this scene
Funny thing is that the later empire was regularly split between several co-emperors for logistical reasons.
Might as well have a funeral for the show while we're at it.
lmao he looks like he's got googly eyes on/is tripping balls
When does Jaime say he’d kill Tyrion?
If only he loved Jaime as much as he hated Tyrion
That was a rude thing to say, as though she wouldn't need a moment alone.
Cersei is THE villain
Like it or not
At least Jaime didn’t rape her at this funeral
Good another lannister dead, may they and the Freys, Boltons, all die
Talk about having stupid children. The disappointment would be heart wrenching
Cersei lecturing Jaime about acting on impulses without thought for the consequences is some next level hypocrisy.