Really showcases Tywin's "a man who has to say 'I am the king' is no true king". She may be pulling ranks on people around her but she well understands that her "I am the queen" has no standing against Tywin.
I mean her kingdom was burning the entire time she claimed to be a queen, and she kept basically not caring what happens outside the walls of the Red Keep. She wanted to kick the peasants out of the capital because they stink and are overcrowding it, yet the peasants are hiding in the capital because outside is chaos ever since her husband died. She keeps running away from actual issues and keep playing her petty game of sick politics in the chambers of the keep. In terms of being a Monarch she's so ineffective. The most she's good at is torture. The moment I saw that crown on her head I was like "Yep city's doomed".
@@Kasiarzynka That's the point though, it should have a standing because the Hand is below the queen. In the books this scene is from Tyrion's POV and when Cersei asks Tywin if she has his leave to go (in the show Tywin leaves first)Tyrion is shocked. He thinks "you're the queen, HE should be asking your leave, not the other way around". She is so intimidated that she forgets she is the damn queen.
@@ΚατερίναΤσιτσιμπίκου I mean, yeah, if you're looking at ranks, she outranks him. But it proves the point that is repeated throughout the series (for the record, I haven't read the books*) that at least politically, power is power only because people believe it is. "Power resides where men believe it resides. It's a trick. A shadow on the wall. And a very small man can cast a very large shadow." "Any man who must say "I am the king" is no true king." It challenges Cersei's little show she pulls in season 1(?) to intimidate Littlefinger(?) in the courtyard, where she states "POWER is power".
@@Kasiarzynka reflects the realities of feudal Europe, being the higher noble rank, even the king, can be a tenuous position and in the later Middle Ages many dukes had the money and power within the realm in reality. Especially in scenarios like this where the king is a child and his claim is let’s say tenuous.
“A shame you didn’t say a prayer for the butcher’s son.” This is why Ned was such a great character. I remember being so angry and appalled by how that innocent kid was executed after doing nothing wrong. Yet hardly any character in the show seemed to care - except Ned and Arya. Hearing Ned express anger over what happened was cathartic.
@@-_-ligma she was a kid when he killed the butcher boy so she grew up with a deep grudge, and unlike his brother we all know the hound cares about his companions. It is because she left him to die that she is so dead... I simply hate her and loath every moment they try to convince me that she is beautiful.
@@Shawn-st2lx which is why in the books Varys has him killed. He's a capable administrator, has a sense of right and wrong and cares about the smallfolk in his way. So they take him out. Just before he dies, Varys apologizes for the cold, then he leaves the room and his "little birds" come out of secret passages in the walls and stab him.
In the book, when they were discussing how to assasinate Daenerys, Varys said 'If I tell you what dothraki do to a man who killed their queen, you would not send any hired blade, we can use poison, tears of Lys is an excellent thing'. Robert did not like that, complained that poison is a woman's weapon. And Ned snapped 'You are talking about murdering a child and her unborn babe, yet you still complain about having honor in this?' He also said 'When the Battle of Trident was won, Ser Barristan Selmy here was heavily wounded. Roose Bolton urged Robert to slit his throat. But he had none of it. He said that he would not punish a man neither for being loyal, nor for fighting well. And sent his own maesters to tend for him. Would that man be here this day, with us'
And that's why he died. Varys: We're all praying for Joffrey. Me: *This*, this is how you survive a viper's den. Listen and learn, Ned. Ned Blows off Varys. Me: Jesus fuck, Ned. Peytr says he got gutted like a fish. Ned blames him for it. Me: What the fuck man. Pycel reminds Ned of being young. Ned reminds Pycel he served the mad king. Me: Oh God, you're a moron.
@@majacovic5141 Yet strangly it's the starks with the most surviving house members in late seasons. Guess he succeeded in raising survivors even if he was not one.
"Shame you didn't say a prayer for the butchers son.." That must've strucked Varys through the heart in a good way. Proves that Ned cared for the common people like Varys does.
The show doesn't really touch on it but the whole"i serve the realm" schtick from varys is mostly bs. His real ultimate goal is to get a blackfyre on the throne. Or well atleast in the books lol. In the show he just isn't as smart as was at first
I love how after his initial surprise, at 0:40 you can see a small smile on Varys’ face as he turns to keep facing Ned, and probably thinking “by The Seven, a Hand of the King who actually cares about the realm and who isn’t a megalomaniacal douchebag!”
Oberyn was a badass character. What an actor. Only around for a few episodes but he became likable instantly. Fuck the Mountain. The Hound better sort out his brother in season 8.
@@starjunky30043 You didn't get what I said. He greets them with respect. And then he loses said respect. That is why hebehaves quite differently the second time.
Tywin's first Small Council is great. Little Finger jumps at the chance to sit as close to Tywin and power as he can, Vary's follows a bit more cautiously afterwards, Pycelle picks the middle seat to be easily forgotten, Cercei moves her chair by her fathers side to create the illusion of importance while Tyrion, of course, puts himself in opposition by slowly dragging his chair.
its ironic. Petyr respected Tywin but got him indirectly killed (though one could argue if petyrs never born, tywin's screwed either way). tywin never really respected Petyr and saw him as just another lord. he never saw his cunning mind for himself.
Tywin may have been the greatest Lannister to ever live, personally. But as a role model, he set a horrible example for all of his descendants. Worse than his father, I'd argue. Say what you will about Tytos, but he at least loved his children and didn't just use Tywin as a pawn for his own machinations. Just goes to show however bad he was as a ruler, it doesn't make the polar opposite of him any better. Tyrion was the best of both, he had the intelligence of his father but also the compassion of his grandfather.
@@radjadawamindra697 Exactly and everything Tywin did was supposed to be for the gain of the Lannister family yet he couldn’t even recognize Tyrion as the most capable of the 3 (obviously excluding Jaime’s capabilities on the battlefield)
Technically he didnt say the Mad king, he killed the prince and took the crown. Taken the crown was more symbolic, but I doubt Joffrey meant that. I'm sure Robert told him many stories about killing everyone by himself, in a single day. 2 Targayans in a single day....Gods what a day that was....
More like his legacy than his pride, dude would berate his own children for disobeying him and controlled them like he was the mafia when he should have raised them like his wife would have
He was not nearly as smart as he thought he was. His dwarf son saved his ass before he came and ruined everything again. People say Tyrion was mostly like Tywin. But i think its the twins that take after him. Vain, arrogant, shortsighted and cruel. All he plans ends up biting him in the ass just like it does for Cersei and Jaime.
@@easygrin1127 honestly, if you look at his history he was definitely an intelligent man who knew how to work people. But as you said. His inability to accept Tyrion and willful ignorance of his other children’s relationship was what ultimately ruined him.
@@TheRandomMuffinMan that and not allying with Varys. Whom revealed to Tyrion the secret passage that led to the Tower of the Hand......If he wasn't as dismissive of Varys he might have lived longer.
@@barksdalebell000 he did nothing.... just did his part in spreading that stupid rumor which was actively denied by boththe actors.... boring people just want drama
hurdy gurdy no, these are actually functioning politics that have a sense of their situation. Today, politics are destroying the planet, one country at a time.
Sandor Clegane - "funcitoning politics that have a sense of their situation" - where every political meeting is ~5 minutes long, half the stuff they talk about doesn't end up happening, half the meetings are tied up with personal attacks and petty power plays, and there's a new council member every session to replace the one that got murdered since last time?
I would love a show that's simply about the small council intrigues during Roberts rule. Well during the Targaryen rule would probably be pretty good too, Bloodraven was awesome imho.
Am I the only one that loves Mace Tyrell? He's hilarious with his terrible dad jokes and how people treat him like a fool without him realising. He actually shows he loves his children a lot. He brings an army to save Margery and tries to intervene when the faith carves Loras head and even supports Renly because of his children. He's one of the few truly good people on the council even if he is an idiot. Plus he had a badass feather hat and gives unconvincing speeches. What's not to love?
ThatCrazy Drunk olenna probably taught him all her tricks if hes not using it to grab power for himself hes most likely spying for olenna so she can turn the info to blackmail
ThatCrazy Drunk no hes dead as hell and yes it is all specualtion as to what could go on but its game of throned anyone can be used for court intrigue and whoever put those theories about little finger being alive is a moron he had his throat slit deep. Now unless hes somehow rhollorian or had a super convincing double he dead
When Lord Tyrell laid siege to Stannis at Storm's End during Robert's rebellion, he took his sweet time about it not being at all aggressive like trying to storm the castle but was content to starve Stannis out. In fact Lady Ollena once said the only thing he ever besieged was the banquet table. Most people see this as weakness but it was actually really clever. Like Lord Stanley in the real world, he was waiting to see who would win the war. If Prince Raegar defeated Robert, he would commence the siege with real effort and zeal to establish his loyalty to the crown. If Robert won, he would easily be forgiven because he did no real damage to the rebel cause. Thus Lord Tyrell feasted all year long outside Storm's End waiting for the war to be decided while Stannis Baratheon starved within. After the Battle of the Trident was decided, Lord Stark showed up with an army to relieve the castle and Mace Tyrell promptly bent the knee and was as promptly forgiven. If you look at the history of House Tyrell you'll see that being cautious, laying low and only making power moves only when opportunities arise is their MO.
Idk why but I love how friendly Ned and Renly are within the first small council meeting, one of many scenes that make you realize how things could have gone very, very differently
What I do not understand is why Stannis did not return from dragonstone when Ned got there. I knew he might be spitefull because robert did not choose him as hand of the king. But he and ned somewhat have the same principles. And with stannis's men he could have easily overthrown the lannisters, even renly would not have tried to stage his own coup.
@@RM-wf4mw This is explained in the books. It was actually Stannis who discovered that Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen were not Robert's children. He brought his concerns to Jon Arryn, so he and Jon visited all of Robert's bastards. When Arryn died, Stannis assumed the Lannisters killed him and fled to Dragonstone. He wasn't resentful that Robert didn't make him Hand (at least not in the books), he was resentful that Robert gave him Dragonstone and handed Renly Storm's End, since Storm's End was Stannis's birthright and he spent the entire war holding it under Robert's orders, even as he starved to death under siege.
A real shame, that. He wasn't made for such a hostile environment. Doesn't mean he wasn't a good ruler, most of his lords loved him or at least respected him. But crown tier politics, well...
Yeah the show give off those vibes but its the North isn't exactly a local town. He had to deal with Boltons, Umbers, Karstarks, Greyjoy rebellions and all sorts of nasty stuff as lord of Winterfell. It was just the location and people that he wasn't used to.
@@undrielgrenger53 Slavery built the worlds during medeival kingdoms. Don't care if you think it's justified or not but the economy rested on their backs and would fall never to rise again if some Lincoln comes around
I love the look of surprise on Vary’s face when Ned offers his own personal guard to keep the peace. I think it was surprise and respect as very few others would offer their own personal guard to keep the peace for peasants to put it bluntly.
Watch the first minutes. Varys has such a great actor. He looks so surprised an amazed at how decent Ned was with all his answers. Also a bit sad maybe, thinking he wouldnt last.
@@majormononoke8958 it was also the beginning of Ned stripping away all of his own protection. First he helped the city watch, then sent his men to help Beric find The Mountain, Jaime killed a few in the street fight, so in the final showdown it was just a squad of guys.
I enjoyed those first season meetings. You can tell that Ned doesn't belong in a room with that much corruption and heartlessness and he's well aware of it. It makes for great tension in otherwise tensionless scenes
Plus, it also shows Ned as a poor politician putting honor above pragmatism and political benefits. Something that was used against him by people more cunning, manipulative, and have been in this dirty game for years.
@@Prodigi50 I agree with you he is loved and feared but that was in the North. An in the North Honor and loyalty is placed above personal gain. But he is still a poor politician, for starters him not putting people he can trust in positions of power in Kings landing like replacing the captain City Watch. Not agreeing on Assassinating Daenerys despite the fact the potential threat she is for the realm at the time. He publicly denounced Tywin despite Tywin being justified in his raids in in the Riverlands do to Tyrion being abducted by Neds wife. Granted this was Cats own doing something Ned did not foresee. However, antagonizing Tywin one of the most powerful lords in the south whos own people and supporters are in Kings Landing and in positions of power by the way is foolish. Meaning Ned is making no friends and no allies. An his biggest mistake was revealing to Cersei he knows of her affair with Jaime and her 3 kids true parentage. This was huge even Varys criticized him. As he is accusing the Queen of something slanderous. That he should have told Robert regardless even in his deathbed of what he found. Ned would still have his head if he had made the right decisions. These mistakes have major political ramifications that would in turn bring bad things that will happen to Westeros moving forward. I agree with you he is not in the right environment and he might be good in politics up north, but his actions speak for themselves in the south. Hence why in season 2 we see the opposite in Tyrion and how he adapted quick in Kings Landing. Despite never being given any real power before except being given the position of Janitor by his dad in Casterly rock. An Tyrion never had any years of real political experience unlike Ned.
I always find it funny how Jofrey says his father won the real war, but he doesn't understand just how true that is. Jaime was the one who killed the king finishing it.
Still kind of true of his idea of Robert as well. Joffrey is truly convinced Robert is his father. Robert led the rebellion, killed Rhaegar the crowned prince in battle. Tywin was honestly a coward for the most part. In fact the Lannister's were supporting the Targaryens at first. Jaimie killed the Mad King and Tywin took the opportunity to switch sides, sack Kings Landing and murder the remaining Targaryens and Martells. Tywin always acted kind of sneaky and unconventionally including his back deal with the Frey's and Bolton's.
Robert won the war, with ned and arryn of course but they won. They did most of the strategizing, their house made up the bulk of their forces. The casus beli was neds family getting fucked, and Roberts wife getting kidnapped, all three raised their banners. The battle of the Trident was the deciding battle in the war and Robert killed rhaegar, who was the commander and heir to the throne. All Jaime did really was steal the kill, even after aerys was dead, the war was still on months after he died. But yeah, Robert was the clear victor, he killed rhaegar, and he commanded most of the battles, even winning 3 battles, beating every army in turn. He was the first one to enter the battlefield and the first to climb the walls in a siege, he was charismatic, turning enemies into loyal allies. He was the face of the rebellion really. So I don't think that Jaime won the war, thats pretty goofy, he was inactive until the moment he killed aerys, while Robert was kicking everyone's ass from the beginning, cutting his way to kings landing.
@@kyleenglot9184because tywin isn't a commander, or at least a commander like ned and Robert are. Ned and Robert lead armies at the vanguard, tywin leads from the back, this shows you how good Ned and Robert are when leading men into battle.They grew up with soldiers, they know the battlefield and understand logistics.I mean, Neds son is a military genius, who never lost a battle, he outsmarted tywin and Jaime. Fr, this is why Tywin sacked the city, he was not gonna risk having a pitched battle with Ned. He also didn't like aerys. Tywin chooses and picks his battles wisely, he said he "never lost a war", and this is why. ACoK exemplifies this, he loses militarily to robb stark, battle after battle, but one political blunder on Robb's part, and tywin ends the war like that.
@@Sb22-ru2tkit's strongly implied that Robb isn't winning battles due to military genius, but rather following Blackfish's advice and using his warg abilities to scout around. Still has a good enough judgement (especially for his age) to heed the expertise of an experienced commander, but that's different from genius.
@@threenumbnuts nah, that's dumb. And you don't understand either. Winning battles and wars is a team effort, and ultimately it all fell upon Robb stark to still execute his plans, and put them to work, and rule on top of that. Yes he listened to his advisors, so did every other conqueror in history, the best conquerors have great advisors. But, getting the tactics and logistics right, and everything that comes with it. The main leader is the foundation of it all so that victory is granted. Effectively utilizing battlefield strategies, such as double envelopes and pincer maneuvers, having loyal soldiers and subjects, a big empire, drawing plans, leading men into battle, managing all that shit. Winning ambushes and pitched battles, knowing how to manage/lead the lines, the wings, the center of the army, leading them effectively while also giving commands, having an army that can achieve all this efficiently. Simply listening to someone else won't give you that. That's fucking stupid. And Robb stark did all those at a young age too. So yeah, he's genius,
I love how Cersei was eating it up when Tyrion was told he was going to marry Sansa, she was being snarky as usual, then Tywin hit her with the “he will do as he is told, as will you. You’ll marry Ser Loras” that changed her expression so fast 😂
That part about Ned not wanting to assassinate Daenerys... It's not just his sense of honor holding him back. He doesn't want to kill Jon's aunt and cousin. I see that now.
What worst is that ALL ALONG, Ned knows that Jon is the true heir to the Iron Throne, the secret that Ned had been keeping for himself from his King Baratheon. His code of honor and loyalty really conflict each other.
@SilkyLew drogo would have still died one way or another, khals dont live that long you know, and im pretty certain she would have tried something with those dragon eggs one way or another, same way one of her targ ancestors burnt himself to death over rhe obsession over hatching some eggs he had
King's Landing dialogues truly shine when Oberyn, Tyrion and Olenna were there. They managed to make even dialogues with fools interesting and entertaining, and dialogues with other witty characters (like Tywin and Varys) even more satisfying.
" Joffrey didn't die on his watch" I'm glad Twyin call out Cersei's awful decision to remove and dismiss Ser Barristan. I'm glad he work for the targaryen, it shows how the decision was not only dumb and make weaker the Lannister.
24:00 “the king is tired” is by far one of my favorite moments in the entire show. The essence of Tywin is on full display and the build up throughout the scene is just immaculate
You mean: Joffrey: what's up over the Narrow sea? And what will we do with that? Tywin: the last dragons were like cats so it won't be a problem to care about.
Joffrey even tried to look tough in front of Tywin. Even Cersei knows that if the situation escalates, things will not end well. Cersei knows his father too well.
@@tycrane2539Tywin always knew Joffrey was a little shit that would need to be brought into line sooner or later. He may dislike Tyrion, but he knows that he's right in this instance.
Man, I fucking LOVE when Joffrey mouths off to Tywin and the room goes STONE COLD. Even his mother is like "I love you but you're on your own if you keep this up." I shed two tears everytime I watch GoT scenes before Season 6. One for how good things are - and one for how I know it was all for nothing in the end. DX
Cersei: We are to discuss the uprising in Dorne Kevan: You have no place on the Small Council Cersei: And seeing as you can’t make me leave we might as well get on with it Kevan: No, but you can’t make us stay. Not unless you’re going to have that thing murder us all Ser Kevan holds his brother’s badassery and deserved more screen time, openly insults Cersei and The Mountain without giving a shit
@@MrJordwalk I mean, think about it for a second. Kevan grew up with *Tywin*. You think his second-rate faux-cunning daughter who tries to emulate Tywin yet fails almost every time is any sort of effort for the guy?
@@im_flat People thought Kevan was a weak follower type, but the best leaders know you can't always be at the top of the pyramid. You have to set aside your ego and be the second in command sometimes.
I really wish they had placed Joffrey at the end of the Small Council scene where Robert yells that he will put Ned's head on a spike himself. I think it would have tied in well with when he called for Ned's head rather well. Say what you like about Joffrey, he looked up to Robert and would do anything to please him.
@@SakariWolf13that would make a lot of sense since in the books, it was implied it was Joffrey who sent the assassin to kill Bran when he was still in a coma because he heard Robert said something along the lines of death would be a lot merciful than living as a cripple. Joffrey's a little sociopath all right but just imagine the what could have been if Robert actually bothered to raise him. Not even Cersei could have stopped him.
@@PRubin-rh4srHis "honour" caused more violence and suffering than was necessary. Real life is about compromise and consensus, not standing on some principle and ignoring the consequences of doing so. Martin said that he deliberately used Ned as an example of how fantasy ideals have no place in politics. Same with his son Robb, whose sense of "honour" in the books led him to breaking his marriage pledges and alienating his allies. If you're a leader, it's not all about YOU.
@@zippymufo9765 He didnt ignore the consequences, he chose a decision knowing full well the consequences. Why do you think "honorable" men are rare if not in irl, in the series? Because humans are designed to take the easiest path, that's evolution. We humans can also CHOOSE to ignore our natural tendencies, Ned, the character is characterized by that. And who decides what suffering and violence is necessary? You?
@@PRubin-rh4sr Most sane humans want to minimize death and suffering, and are willing to bend for the sake of peace 😂😂😂 They're not narcissists so obsessed with their "honour" that they're willing to start wars that kill off innocent people. That's why people like Ned don't live for long "irl", others see that they're a liability and remove them for the sake of peace. The three most morally despicable characters in the series were Ned, Catelyn, and Robb, because they were willing to sacrifice other people lives for their own selfish "honour". What did Catelyn accomplish by kidnapping Tyrion, except to get people killed and start a war over a false accusation she couldn't even prove? What did Ned accomplish by stupidly telling Cersei he knew her children were the product of incest and he was going to tell Robert? His "honour" required him to telegraph all his moves in advance and give his enemies extra time to counter them 😂😂😂 What did Robb accomplish by executing Karstark? He lost a huge chunk of his allies at a time when he needed them most. And considering that Danerys ultimately went insane and began mass murdering everyone, it was a good idea all the way back at the beginning for the Small Council to want her to be assassinated. "Honour" is narcissism and selfish pride disguised as virtue.
@@miracleyang3048 They had source material, some people are great making adaptation, that doesn't make them competent writing their own content. I _mostly_ give GRRM the credit.
@@HBMHD Oh then you can't blame their incompetence on the later season, it's the fault of the one who didn't provide them with source material you can't have it both ways
These scenes were always the best because you can't chuck a CGI dragon in, or a massive battle. You have to be able to write intelligent, well though-out engaging dialogue. Which would explain why the best council meetings were based on George's books.
I wanna see your tears when GRRM will finish his stories with basically the same dragon/zombie/battle porn xD Because it's not like the stories within the books lead to something like this, right...? :)
Well I think if you read the books you'd agree that although the battles and dragons are present, it's all backed up with solid rational, and realistic political intrigue.
Oh yeah, because everyone wants to see a dragon discussing politics, or how much coin the white walkers are using in their schemes......Theres a time for politics, and a time for magic!
It'd be interesting to see what Drogon's campaign promises are though, and I'm curious if the Night King has been filing his taxes correctly and whether or not he will Make Westeros Dead Again
You'd think Jaime, Cersei, and Tyrion could all sympathize with each other in their mutual misery of having a father like Tywin. "You will wed her, bed her, and breed her." lol I loved it how Cersei arrogantly thought she could gloat over Tyrion having to wed Sansa-until Tywin dropped the bomb on her. Her face was priceless.
Tywin was a man of vision. He was the true King from his debut till his death. He Won the most battles. (Not just physically but mentally) he had everyone in line even Joeffrey. And he’s the man who kept the Lannisters safe and alive. They were a bunch of ungrateful pricks. Sansa and Theon were literally being torture beyond the point of death. And they were whining about marrying absolutely Gorgeous Highgarden royalty.
@@popshenroin5797 he's also a jerk and has a lot of flaws.... Congratulations you fell into his charm... He's overusing his ruthlessness and then he's dead on the loo
I love the clip at 13:30. Without a line of dialogue it reveals each characters personality. Tywin sits at the head of the table, asserting his rule. Littlefinger quickly sits closest to the person in charge, the best place to influence. Varys, annoyed, takes the next closest seat. Wanting to be close, but no suck up. Pycell takes the third seat, no longer willing to really fight politically. He’s alright just keeping on. Cersei, who would like to think she thought outside of the box, moves a chair to sit at the right hand of the person in charge. And Tyrion, who actually thinks outside of the box and is a rebel sits on the other side, in opposition of the person in charge. Masterful.
Accurate except Pycell is sinister political operator hiding behind the act of a frail old man, he walks slowly and sheepishly to the third seat putting on his act in front of others to appear foolish.
@@chaeriplease it's not a bad analysis. You have to admit at least Tyrion places his seat directly across of his father because he demands his respect and considers himself on the same level as Tywin
4:57. I really love how much depth and meaning went into every line of dialogue. In the third meeting, when Robert asks everyone to convince to Ned, they all have their own unique way of doing so in their own unique personalities. Varys takes the ethical approach claiming it's the right thing to do. Pycelle, a maester, speaks logically in terms of comparing the number of lives lost. Renly thinks very similarly to his brother, very aggressively, and by stating that "We should have had them both killed years ago" shows that this he's wanted to do this before and that there no question about it. Littlefinger speaks in a metaphor, slyly but not uncouthly
Not to mention the way Ned lets them each make their case, before ignoring them and addressing Robert directly. He respects the small council enough in principle to hear them out, but he also knows they're amoral yes-men who'll do whatever Robert tells them to.
Slight correction on Varys. He wasn't proclaiming it's the right thing to do. He even specifically says it's a terrible and vile thing. But he was also saying it was essentially the 'lesser of two evils' choice because it would result in less bloodshed.
Can we just talk a second about how amazing both the lighting and scenery are in these clips? The way every room appears open and cathedral-like, with beams of light pouring down, just add so much to the medieval atmosphere of Game of Thrones. Really enjoyed watching this through and just admiring the scenery and visual world-building.
Some of these early small council scenes are the best in the series. Dialogue in the latest seasons is almost straight exposition and could be delivered by any character. But here we have great interactions with characters revealing their motivations also with what they don’t say: their reactions, when they change the subject, HOW they speak and choose their words. This is what was great about GoT
what confused me was that robert didnt want a war. he was a warmonger and womanizer. im slightly surprised he didnt welcome a war with the dothraki. he definitely enjoyed the war against the ironborn and his ursurper conquest
I think Robert was against the war with the Dothraki because he knew how dangerous they were and just hated the Targ's and didn't want them to get any power so he was fine with just killing them.
i love Robert Baratheon yelling at Ned to "GET OUT" when he had already quit and was already leaving, and then yelling a bunch of empty threats about beheading him. what a shmuck.
@@willbeard4835 If I recall correctly, after Viserys was killed, Daenerys lost interest in conquering Westeros and only regained it after the assassination attempt ordered by Robert himself. In that case, Robert's prediction comes across more as a self-fulfilling prophecy which does not mean much.
@@markcobuzzi826 that's true. Drogo was on the war path after that and had no interest in crossing the narrow sea. Daenerys was still trying to convince Drogo to cross before that tho. The only thing the assassination changed was Drogo mobilizing the khalasar for war
About killing Daenerys: Varys: “Sometimes hard things must be done” Pycelle: “Think about the safety of the realm” Renlly: “We should have killed them years ago” Littlefinger: “When you find yourself in bed with an ugly woman best close your eyes and be done with it” Varys: (mind facepalm)
@@Christhegreatbro It didn't work because Jorah turned traitor. Robert's command was carried out. Daenerys was to be poisoned by the wine seller but Jorah stepped in. If Robert was not so bloodthirsty for Targeryan blood he wouldn't have caused a ripple between him and Ned which then led to his death.
This was what made the show so great, not overblown CGI battles or cheerworthy moments for the masses. But simply scenes of people talking to eachother. It's crazy how a subdued scene with good writing is far more entertaining than an epic one with bad writing.
The only thing I liked about the 6th season was Ramsey Bolton because he was an intimidating and vile antagonist. But otherwise season 6 had many flaws. Season 5 is where the cracks started to show, it wasn't bad per say but the quality of the dialogue went south.
The guy pretty much quit acting after his character died. That's the problem with having such an iconic asshole character - that's what people will always see him as, even if the actor himself is actually a pretty cool guy.
I fucking love Mace Tyrell. That dumb big smile on his face every time he gets asked to do literally anything, even if completely menial . He's just happy to be here.
@@zm1786It is a little too bad that Mace didn't get time to shine. Book accounts mention that he is very much a smart and cunning lord, and takes after Olenna in the latter's respect while hiding the former. Instead the show just puts him as a doddering idiot that everyone knows is useless.
@@TheUndyingCrystal him seigeing storms end was the biggest brain move of the rebellion. Pretending to be doing something , but not really doing anything. So if the targs won he could say he was seiging the rebel capital, if the baratheons won, he could just say he was obeying his king and he didn't kill any Baretheon men
Best solution is to use house greyjoy and stannis to bring their ships to cover the narrow sea. Assassination even attempted was the reason why drogo wanted to attack.
"Only a fool would meet the Dothraki in a nopen field". /speaks in Jaime and Bron marching past the Blackwater Rush: 'Aah, naah, what could go wrong? Its a beautiful summer day and...."
*"Are you telling me the Crown is 3 millions in debt?"* *"I'm telling you the Crown is **_6_** millions in debt."* *"How could you let this happen?"* It's Ned's shocked face and tone that get me XD
It was truth and also a tragedy. Joffrey loved Robert as his magnanimous father and Robert loved Joffrey as his first born son. A wretched affair this Cersei Lannister subjected Robert and her sons to.
Actually Robert didn’t like Joffrey, he suspected quite early that he had sort of a sadistic side (something to do with Joffrey torturing a cat for example if I remember correctly)
Those two were the only ones on the council who couldn't or shouldn't have been replaced as their expertise wasn't granted to them by education, status or wealth but instead by contacts that only they have. You can't just appoint a new master of whispers and hope he'll have all the connections that the spider had.
Its insane how everytime you rewatch after gaining an understanding of what actually happened ned stark shines more and more as one of the best characters to ever exist in the show
These scenes had the best actors and just like in the show, they each tried to out-do each other. Tywin was my favorite character. Savage and intelligent. Demanded respect and gave it to those who earned it. Charles Dance was a great choice if not perfect
Most people are quick to judge Ned as stupid and too honorable, etc. The truth is that Ned's way was just as potent as Tywin's, but fate favored the Lannisters in Season 1. There was never a guarantee that Robert would die on his hunting trip, especially since Ser Barriston was with him. In that respect, Cersei got lucky that her plan worked. If he survived, Ned would have told Robert everything and then the game would have been over for Cersei. Ned also had a major handicap against him, in that his wife stupidly kidnapped Tyrion. She is the one that really messed things up for him, because he took all the blame for it. Beyond his death, the name Eddard Stark carried more weight than most names in Westeros and still does in Season 8. People are still talking about him. Is it because he was some great fighter? Sure he was strong, but not renowned as better than the likes of Arthur Dayne. Is it because he was rich and powerful? He didn't have nearly as much influence as Tywin, and yet no one talks about him anymore. Is it because he played the Game of Thrones? He said fuck the game. It's because he had a code of honor and stuck to it. He made a name for himself as Warden of the North as honorable and just. Stannis takes Jon's recommendation to take Mance prisoner in Season 5 in honor of Eddard Stark. Stannis used Ned's declaration that he should be king as a rallying cry. Cersei asked Jon to stay neutral in Season 7, stating that the son of Ned Stark would keep his word. Sansa survived King's Landing because she was Ned Stark's daughter. That was the only reason she was betrothed to Joffrey in the first place. Olenna helped Sansa out because she admired Ned Stark. Robb called all of his bannermen in Season 1, and they answered. They were willing to fight the crown for Ned. The point is that Eddard had a presence in Westeros that no one else had and could have just as easily won against the Lannisters had one thing been different. But obviously, that wasn't the story Martin wanted to tell, so things went in the direction they went.
For real tho, the North couldve even won if fucking Lysa wasnt being controlled by Littlefinger considering the Knights of the Vale wanted to join the North in Ned’s aid.
Marco yes with someone like bronze yohn Royce leading the vale forces. I don’t think Tywin would have been able to leave to save kings landing from stannis
Small Council meetings seemed to bring out some of the finest acting moments the series has seen ... I LOVED the dark atmosphere contained with the scenes and subtle use of the hot summer sunlight we knew was outside. Seeing the characters discuss things that were happening across the GOT world was always a thrill, and made the universe feel large but connected. I miss the dialogue from the old days, and the simmering pace of the early seasons.
@@jimeno726 Frankly he didn't have a choice. Cersei has proven time and time again to be a complete idiot who thinks herself a genius and has driven everything she's touched straight into the ground. Kevan was absolutely justified in going against her.
@@jimeno726 in the books he was killed by Varys because he was doing too good of a job. It was justified going against cersei considering she was the person that cause all of that.
can you really blame them? like you said, the source material ran out and all they had was a loose outline and an ending... and three seasons of screen time to fill for something that isn't their vision.
Stephen Grigg Well I'm pretty sure they would be allowed to extend the show to 9 seasons or even 10 if the actors agreed to it. And they did have a lot of material to use, they disregarded most of A Feast For Crows and A Dance With Dragons to make their up their own stories. The reason it feels different isn't because they ran out of source material, it's because George R. R. Martin stopped working on the show so he isn't helping them with the writing. HBO left the show entirely in Dan and Dave's hands, and apparently they don't even want to keep working on the show because they've grown bored with it, which is why next season is only 6 episodes long.
Love the subtle definitions of power. The lords just do whatever under Ned and Tyrion. But under Tywin they don't even budge until he directs them to. Also while Tyrion is active hand - he doesn't dismiss the meeting but when Cersei leaves they all get up and follow.
If I remember correctly. Shortly after that scene Varys approaches Neds chambers and tells his truth that the king is a fool and he didn't trust Ned until now. My take is by offering 20 of his own men to the city watch, Varys finally came to realise that Ned wasn't the same as those around him. He was decent enough to help those as best he could and that this was a man worth trusting.
@Mark-qu1gj A man worth trusting, but sadly a man too out of his depth to help or be helped. I imagine Ned's death would be one of Varys' bigger regrets, realm besides. Good men are hard to find.
You know it's really funny how Robert's assassination attempt on Dany led to Drogo declaring war and her meeting that witch lady which ultimately led to her dragons being born. In his attempt to stop the Targaryens from regaining power, Robert only started Dany's journey to power
@@cerovk6000 if you actually watched the show, you'd know that they did send an assassin and it was too late to call him off, even though Robert finally agreed to call it off as he lay dying in his bed. He was the wine seller, the assassin. And he had specific poisoned wine, once he found out who she was, Dany, he threw away the other unpoisoned wine he'd been trying to sell to her and took out the poisoned wine instead, claiming it to be far higher quality. Jorah Mormont knew that the assassin was coming, though, but he decided to side with Dany instead of going back to Westeros to accept his royal pardon. So he stopped her from drinking the poisoned wine. Then that assassin wine seller was tortured to death, slowly, by being dragged behind one of the horses of the dothraki. Actually go watch the show, instead of just TH-cam clips, and then you'd know all of this stuff.
I understand it’s a different shows but these dialogues and small council scenes are the charm of game of thrones that house of the dragon doesn’t have, and it’s the charm that made got a great show
20:40 was soooo satisfying to watch, seeing Cersei’s smug smirk drop from her face when she’s told she’ll marry Loras is fantastic. One the reasons I loved Olenna and Tywin is how easily they could put Cersei in her place with their clever words because of course ‘she isn’t as smart as she thinks she is.’
Cersei thought she was smart because she was born in that family it had nothing to do with actually using brains ,even tywin knew she would not last not that he was misogynist or has hatred towards his daughter,he just knew she crossed the lines way too many times without spitting it all the time from his mouth
Olenna was so much fun on screen. She wasn't the only one, of course there was Tywin and Tyrion, and the scenes with Tywin and Arya. But Olenna had own way. I felt my heart stop when that stupid young man told her when the cheese would be served. Fortunately for him, she kept the vicious beatings verbal.
Have anyone told Danerys that Ned Stark was against her assasination ? someone should’ve told her probably Varys she need to know that Ned was honorable man unlike many
It doesnt really matter. If people care about the deeds of one's parents then she has no claim for the throne. What matters is that she trusts Jon. And Im honestly not sure Varys is on her side. Dont forget he was slimy enough to stay alive even being the one who said dont let Tywin in. He knows how to make present rulers think they can trust him. And he definitely has an agenda.
He can't sack Littlefinger without the king's approval. Besides, it's just as Littlefinger said: the king tells him to get the money and he does it. It's the king's responsibility to keep finances in mind when making decisions, as well as to listen to his advisors. Robert did neither.
@@wusscake 1. It was impossible for the crown to get in so much debt mathematically. It would require a Hand's Tourney level expense every 3 months, so 100% Littlefinger's fault. 2. Robert wouldn't give a shit if Ned wanted to fire Littlefinger
"Oh, I'm a monster? Perhaps you should speak to me more softly, then. Monsters are dangerous, and just now, Kings are dying like flies." Ah, this is why I got hooked on the show back then. More weight and gravitas in a single quote than the entirety of S7 and S8
I don't think it had to (only) do with being close to Tywin, but rather as a power play. Tywin seated himself first, so the others had to adjust. Baelish immediately sat at his left side, the closest chair to Tywin, the others had to deal with the missed opportunity. Cersei made actually a smart move, taking the chair and placing it where she wants it to be. The only place left for Tyrion was at the chair the farthest away, with least significance; he could also take the chair similar like Cersei to her side, but that would show that he were inferior, as he only sits to her side instead of Tywins. So he instead places it to the opposite of Tywin. That actually shows a lot about their personalities. Baelish just takes the best opportunity there is to get closer to power and more powerful himself, Varys and Pycelle react to the events, trying to still make the best out of their possibilities. Both Cersei and Tyrion are clever enough to think outside of the box and to create and seize their own opportunities.
@@Magrat_Knoblauch Yes only, Varys has the advantage, pycelle is old and slow, and weak to the other players. And Tyrion not only thinks out of the box but waits for everyone to make their move analyses the situation before making his own, and he also shows that he's a powerful opponent but doesn't what to make enemies right away.
But it was something in it - there were Jeffrey happiest moments in life I guess :D. He has seemed at that very moment most happy than in all his life :) :) :) which says a lot how sad person he was and his life.
@@Inaresco it's not about that, it's about how uninteresting are the dialogues in the last season. The difference to the first ones is quite remarkable
You've got to imagine that Ned probably hadn't seen Renly for a long time. Renly was probably still a boy or the age of one of Ned's sons upon their last meeting. Considering the last time Ned saw Rob, in the show, Rob hadn't even gotten fat.
@@Priyo866 It's undeniable there is a drop in quality of story and dialogue since the books dropped off. It can be most season in the most recent season. It's not that we complain that the books are better, i've never read them. However even as just a casual viewer, there is just a clear decay of quality.
Never read the books either and it's clear the quality of the show has declined. If that's the reason then shame...shame...shame...shame...shame...shame....
@@SivikTF Season 5 had some great dialog besides dorn. So did 6. And a couple episodes of 7. The 1st episode. The 3rd. The one with Jamie and ollena. It's not all shit and it didn't all go downhill. I will say that s7e2 has the worst dialog I've ever seen in GOT. When the red woman meets denarys, Jesus christ. All the characters. So bad.
One thing I think people miss when Joffrey says "my father won the real war, he killed rheagar, he took the crown, while you hid under casterly rock" is that he was actually right, tywin didn't declare for either side even when he already decided to side with Robert, sure he was mad that joffrey openly insulted him in front of others, but also I suspect he was also mad that joffrey was technically right
No he was pissed off because without him Joffrey's head would be on a spike. Stannis would have won the battle of Kings Landing. Also consider that Tywin has spent his entire life building up house Lannister from rich clowns to the most powerful house and eventually paved a way for Lannnisters to sit on Iron throne. His cruelty and saddism was never done for his own pleasure but to elevate his house higher, crush rebellions, bring other houses into fold. Which makes him terrifying and brilliant. While Jeoffrey is everything Tywin despises in people he is weak, stupid, coward and a sadist with no achievements, nothing but Lannister name to support him. Without his mother and grandfather he is nothing. Everybody who was sitting on that council knew that except for Jeoffrey.
Nah it was the right tactical move. Tywin wasn’t hiding, he was waiting for the right moment. Then sending Joffrey to bed wasn’t due to anger but to show everyone who is in control of the kingdoms
26:50 i like how everyone in the series recognize Barristan Selmy as an total badass, and one of the greatest warriors, even Tywin here acknowledges that it was stupid to dismiss such a amazing-legendary warrior from Kings Guard...shame they killed him off, so early in the series, probably cause Dumb and Dumber didnt know what to do with character like that...I never read the books, but after watching couple videos who analyse the books, he is alive and well, even the actor himself was confused that his character was killed of so early.....
In the books he is currently leading a sally out against the slavers that are besieging Mereen, he is hand of the queen and commander of Daenerys' armies. But we don't know yet if he survives the battle since it's about to begin.
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By watching this video, you've probably attended more Small Council meetings that King Robert ever did.
LOL
I can safely say that I attended more small council meetings than anyone in the seven kingdoms ever did
*than
@@O.G.H. huh?
boared
"The Robert I grew up with didn't tremble at the shadow of an unborn child". Incredible writing.
If it was written by Rings of power writers, Robert would have replied - 'You haven't seen what I have seen'🤭🤭
All before season 8
Was viserys death at this point in time
@@raiku6518 he was, but Robert did not know yet due to the length of time it takes for messages to reach kings landing from the Dothraki Sea.
The show I grew up with, did not tremble in the shadow of bad writing
They did really well capturing the summer heat in King's Landing when Ned was alive. Poor northman was sweating like Niagara.
I keep forgetting that. I thought it was just stress from having to clean up everybody else's messes.
Haha
i wonder if jon will also be sweating like a ballsack in this season when he heads South
@@Bigmesh98 I doubt it with his bloodline he will take the heat better than most.
And winter has come, so i doubt he’s going to sweat much.
The way cersei goes from "Im queen" to "Daddy please dont make me do this" is so epically glorifying for tywin
Really showcases Tywin's "a man who has to say 'I am the king' is no true king". She may be pulling ranks on people around her but she well understands that her "I am the queen" has no standing against Tywin.
I mean her kingdom was burning the entire time she claimed to be a queen, and she kept basically not caring what happens outside the walls of the Red Keep. She wanted to kick the peasants out of the capital because they stink and are overcrowding it, yet the peasants are hiding in the capital because outside is chaos ever since her husband died. She keeps running away from actual issues and keep playing her petty game of sick politics in the chambers of the keep. In terms of being a Monarch she's so ineffective. The most she's good at is torture.
The moment I saw that crown on her head I was like "Yep city's doomed".
@@Kasiarzynka That's the point though, it should have a standing because the Hand is below the queen. In the books this scene is from Tyrion's POV and when Cersei asks Tywin if she has his leave to go (in the show Tywin leaves first)Tyrion is shocked. He thinks "you're the queen, HE should be asking your leave, not the other way around". She is so intimidated that she forgets she is the damn queen.
@@ΚατερίναΤσιτσιμπίκου I mean, yeah, if you're looking at ranks, she outranks him. But it proves the point that is repeated throughout the series (for the record, I haven't read the books*) that at least politically, power is power only because people believe it is.
"Power resides where men believe it resides. It's a trick. A shadow on the wall. And a very small man can cast a very large shadow."
"Any man who must say "I am the king" is no true king."
It challenges Cersei's little show she pulls in season 1(?) to intimidate Littlefinger(?) in the courtyard, where she states "POWER is power".
@@Kasiarzynka reflects the realities of feudal Europe, being the higher noble rank, even the king, can be a tenuous position and in the later Middle Ages many dukes had the money and power within the realm in reality. Especially in scenarios like this where the king is a child and his claim is let’s say tenuous.
“A shame you didn’t say a prayer for the butcher’s son.”
This is why Ned was such a great character. I remember being so angry and appalled by how that innocent kid was executed after doing nothing wrong. Yet hardly any character in the show seemed to care - except Ned and Arya. Hearing Ned express anger over what happened was cathartic.
Yes it shows the brutal side of the feduel system
Arya cared ? she is the most dead-inside woman of all, not even cersei can match.
@@jupiterloverful she literally tried to kill the hound multiple times and even left him to die after he saved all because he killed the butchers boy
@@-_-ligma she was a kid when he killed the butcher boy so she grew up with a deep grudge, and unlike his brother we all know the hound cares about his companions.
It is because she left him to die that she is so dead... I simply hate her and loath every moment they try to convince me that she is beautiful.
I like to think that Varys respected Ned for that answer, after all, Varys keeps saying that he cares about "the people of the realm"
Rewatching Ned’s council scenes makes me appreciate what a breath of moral fresh air he was
his honor was pretty infuriating sometimes
but unfortunately that was the very reason he lost his head.
He was the only morally non-ambiguous character in the show for a while
@@bumba5897It just went to show that the world of game of thrones is cruel and honor is a weakness that most people don't share.
Ned making friends on day 1 🤣
Charles Dance dominates every scene he’s in, his portrayal of Tywin just commands respect. Such a talented actor.
@ Leg. Yes he was also great in his role as Dracula.
@@HuHWhat-yi8cpyou mean Dracula untold? Because he wasn’t Dracula in that
@@Galvatronover Never saw that one - could have been the one with Keno Reeves ?
I loved him in Alien 3. He's fantastic in every role he plays.
You should see him in the two-part BBC show at 10 little Indians
You gotta hand it to Kevan. Dude might not have been the most influantial player in the game, but the dude saw straight through cerseis bs lol
Yeah, guy seemed to have some measure of morality about him.
@@Shawn-st2lx which is why in the books Varys has him killed. He's a capable administrator, has a sense of right and wrong and cares about the smallfolk in his way. So they take him out. Just before he dies, Varys apologizes for the cold, then he leaves the room and his "little birds" come out of secret passages in the walls and stab him.
Kevan's Tywin's brother, he knows how to see through bullshit :)
he was the only one really keeping the kingdom or atleast the iron throne to the lannister
and thats why varys killed him since he was so good that he would undo the dissent caused by varys to put a Targaryen on the throne
I almost forgot how savage Ned was, he roasted everyone
Yes, not one to subtly communicate his points.
In the book, when they were discussing how to assasinate Daenerys, Varys said 'If I tell you what dothraki do to a man who killed their queen, you would not send any hired blade, we can use poison, tears of Lys is an excellent thing'. Robert did not like that, complained that poison is a woman's weapon.
And Ned snapped 'You are talking about murdering a child and her unborn babe, yet you still complain about having honor in this?'
He also said 'When the Battle of Trident was won, Ser Barristan Selmy here was heavily wounded. Roose Bolton urged Robert to slit his throat. But he had none of it. He said that he would not punish a man neither for being loyal, nor for fighting well. And sent his own maesters to tend for him. Would that man be here this day, with us'
@@subutaynoyan5372 i love the books
And that's why he died.
Varys: We're all praying for Joffrey.
Me: *This*, this is how you survive a viper's den. Listen and learn, Ned.
Ned Blows off Varys.
Me: Jesus fuck, Ned.
Peytr says he got gutted like a fish. Ned blames him for it.
Me: What the fuck man.
Pycel reminds Ned of being young. Ned reminds Pycel he served the mad king.
Me: Oh God, you're a moron.
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Yet strangly it's the starks with the most surviving house members in late seasons. Guess he succeeded in raising survivors even if he was not one.
"Shame you didn't say a prayer for the butchers son.."
That must've strucked Varys through the heart in a good way.
Proves that Ned cared for the common people like Varys does.
The show doesn't really touch on it but the whole"i serve the realm" schtick from varys is mostly bs. His real ultimate goal is to get a blackfyre on the throne. Or well atleast in the books lol. In the show he just isn't as smart as was at first
@@olofacosta3192 books are show are different though. I think in the show we are to believe he cared and wanted what was best for the realm
@@olofacosta3192 different universes.
I love how after his initial surprise, at 0:40 you can see a small smile on Varys’ face as he turns to keep facing Ned, and probably thinking “by The Seven, a Hand of the King who actually cares about the realm and who isn’t a megalomaniacal douchebag!”
@@Jaxymann Jon Arryn was good too, just caved in too much.
oberyn's like the one dude in your group project that just makes jokes the entire time but does no work
Still had more practical sense then the other sycophants. And he wasn't prudish either.
robert is the oldest guy in the group who probably had a job and a family and only works when bored
But no one dares confront him over it, because he'll kick everyone's ass
Oberyn was a badass character. What an actor. Only around for a few episodes but he became likable instantly. Fuck the Mountain. The Hound better sort out his brother in season 8.
hahahahaha I’ve had groupmates of such likes in my college days.
I love how on the first meeting, Ned greets everyone with respect and on the second he already hates them all. Except for Renly maybe
You see he handshake only to Renly, the rest he walked past or avoided like the snakes they are 😂😅
Respect? Pff, he was throwing shade at each of them. "Shame you didn't say a prayer for the butcher's boy.", "And you served another King."
@@starjunky30043 You didn't get what I said. He greets them with respect. And then he loses said respect. That is why hebehaves quite differently the second time.
@@distinguishedallureproduct879He kinda shook handa with Varys too.
Ned Stark confirmed Renly Ally 🤪lol
Tywin's first Small Council is great. Little Finger jumps at the chance to sit as close to Tywin and power as he can, Vary's follows a bit more cautiously afterwards, Pycelle picks the middle seat to be easily forgotten, Cercei moves her chair by her fathers side to create the illusion of importance while Tyrion, of course, puts himself in opposition by slowly dragging his chair.
its ironic. Petyr respected Tywin but got him indirectly killed (though one could argue if petyrs never born, tywin's screwed either way).
tywin never really respected Petyr and saw him as just another lord. he never saw his cunning mind for himself.
Loveeee how you noticed this too🌚
Maybe opposition, but moreso forcing Tywin to have to look straight at him. What a boss.
@@jordanjoestar-turniptruck Not opposition as 'we are enemies', more like 'I'm going to be a stubborn little thorn and annoy the hell out of you'
also littlefinger sticking his arm out to block varys, very deliberate
Imagine how unstoppable the Lannisters would have been if they all just liked each other lmao
Or just managed their relations better at least. If they all liked each other they never have been powerful.
@@cerovk6000 yeah I mean, Tywin didn't have to like Tyrion, but he should have enough common sense to appoint his dwarf son as his heir.
Had Joanna lived, the Lannisters would be unstoppable.
Tywin may have been the greatest Lannister to ever live, personally. But as a role model, he set a horrible example for all of his descendants. Worse than his father, I'd argue. Say what you will about Tytos, but he at least loved his children and didn't just use Tywin as a pawn for his own machinations. Just goes to show however bad he was as a ruler, it doesn't make the polar opposite of him any better. Tyrion was the best of both, he had the intelligence of his father but also the compassion of his grandfather.
@@radjadawamindra697 Exactly and everything Tywin did was supposed to be for the gain of the Lannister family yet he couldn’t even recognize Tyrion as the most capable of the 3 (obviously excluding Jaime’s capabilities on the battlefield)
After all these years I just noticed that when Joffrey says his father killed the mad king, he is actually 100% correct
Technically he didnt say the Mad king, he killed the prince and took the crown. Taken the crown was more symbolic, but I doubt Joffrey meant that. I'm sure Robert told him many stories about killing everyone by himself, in a single day. 2 Targayans in a single day....Gods what a day that was....
@@StruggaBuggaJoffrey’s real father is Jaime Lannister. So his “real “ father did kill the mad king
@jpmanning2966 Oh I knew that already, I just worded wrong.
I was more commenting how they say it out loud yet not exact. If that makes sense.
@@jpmanning2966 yes, but Joffrey didn't say his father killed the Mad King, he said he killed the Prince. Those are two different people.
He didn't say his father killed the mad king. He said his "father" killed the Prince.
Tywin was as obsessed with his pride as Ned was obsessed with his honor.
And it did both men in
i don't know how Charles told Lena to breed without laughing
Double meaning to pride there!
honor is better than pride
More like his legacy than his pride, dude would berate his own children for disobeying him and controlled them like he was the mafia when he should have raised them like his wife would have
I love Tywin’s no nonsense meetings. Man had absolute control of that room when he was present
He was not nearly as smart as he thought he was. His dwarf son saved his ass before he came and ruined everything again. People say Tyrion was mostly like Tywin. But i think its the twins that take after him. Vain, arrogant, shortsighted and cruel. All he plans ends up biting him in the ass just like it does for Cersei and Jaime.
@@easygrin1127 All his kids have elements of Tywin.
@@easygrin1127 honestly, if you look at his history he was definitely an intelligent man who knew how to work people. But as you said. His inability to accept Tyrion and willful ignorance of his other children’s relationship was what ultimately ruined him.
@@TheRandomMuffinMan And ultimately killed him.
@@TheRandomMuffinMan that and not allying with Varys. Whom revealed to Tyrion the secret passage that led to the Tower of the Hand......If he wasn't as dismissive of Varys he might have lived longer.
Cersei: smug look when talking about Tyrion’s marriage
Tywin: I’m about to end this woman’s whole career
Tywin: "Bippity boop."
Cersei: "I won't."
Tywin:
Cersei: "NO! I'M THE QUEEN!"
Tywin: "...Pow."
What? Make her date Bron?
@@bilbortboxing1313 i see what you did there
"I'm going to give Tyrion an absolute dime. You? You will be forced to try and bed someone who has no interest in you, again"
@@barksdalebell000 he did nothing.... just did his part in spreading that stupid rumor which was actively denied by boththe actors.... boring people just want drama
I just watched 40 minutes of make believe politics.
No regrets
hurdy gurdy no, these are actually functioning politics that have a sense of their situation. Today, politics are destroying the planet, one country at a time.
No ragrets, you know what i mean?
Sandor Clegane - "funcitoning politics that have a sense of their situation" - where every political meeting is ~5 minutes long, half the stuff they talk about doesn't end up happening, half the meetings are tied up with personal attacks and petty power plays, and there's a new council member every session to replace the one that got murdered since last time?
"Real" politics is make believe as well
I would love a show that's simply about the small council intrigues during Roberts rule. Well during the Targaryen rule would probably be pretty good too, Bloodraven was awesome imho.
“I do not recognize your authority to dictate what is and is not my concern” what a bar
A chocolate bar?
Am I the only one that loves Mace Tyrell? He's hilarious with his terrible dad jokes and how people treat him like a fool without him realising. He actually shows he loves his children a lot. He brings an army to save Margery and tries to intervene when the faith carves Loras head and even supports Renly because of his children. He's one of the few truly good people on the council even if he is an idiot. Plus he had a badass feather hat and gives unconvincing speeches. What's not to love?
James Walsh its been said that mace is actually more cunning than he lets on the idiocy is an act supposedly
ThatCrazy Drunk well pycelle pulled it off why not mace
ThatCrazy Drunk olenna probably taught him all her tricks if hes not using it to grab power for himself hes most likely spying for olenna so she can turn the info to blackmail
ThatCrazy Drunk no hes dead as hell and yes it is all specualtion as to what could go on but its game of throned anyone can be used for court intrigue and whoever put those theories about little finger being alive is a moron he had his throat slit deep. Now unless hes somehow rhollorian or had a super convincing double he dead
When Lord Tyrell laid siege to Stannis at Storm's End during Robert's rebellion, he took his sweet time about it not being at all aggressive like trying to storm the castle but was content to starve Stannis out. In fact Lady Ollena once said the only thing he ever besieged was the banquet table.
Most people see this as weakness but it was actually really clever. Like Lord Stanley in the real world, he was waiting to see who would win the war. If Prince Raegar defeated Robert, he would commence the siege with real effort and zeal to establish his loyalty to the crown. If Robert won, he would easily be forgiven because he did no real damage to the rebel cause.
Thus Lord Tyrell feasted all year long outside Storm's End waiting for the war to be decided while Stannis Baratheon starved within. After the Battle of the Trident was decided, Lord Stark showed up with an army to relieve the castle and Mace Tyrell promptly bent the knee and was as promptly forgiven.
If you look at the history of House Tyrell you'll see that being cautious, laying low and only making power moves only when opportunities arise is their MO.
Hard to believe it was Pycelle who was there the longest.
He was old af
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In the books Varys actually kills him.
@@ankhmahor7211 Why the salt?
Yes he was there even before Mad King Areyas was king.
@@octoberboiy he think he is the small council since aegon V
Idk why but I love how friendly Ned and Renly are within the first small council meeting, one of many scenes that make you realize how things could have gone very, very differently
Well it's his homies lil bro. I wonder what would have happened had he listened to him.
He should’ve taken Renly’s advice and follow with his plan
What I do not understand is why Stannis did not return from dragonstone when Ned got there. I knew he might be spitefull because robert did not choose him as hand of the king. But he and ned somewhat have the same principles. And with stannis's men he could have easily overthrown the lannisters, even renly would not have tried to stage his own coup.
@@RM-wf4mw This is explained in the books. It was actually Stannis who discovered that Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen were not Robert's children. He brought his concerns to Jon Arryn, so he and Jon visited all of Robert's bastards. When Arryn died, Stannis assumed the Lannisters killed him and fled to Dragonstone. He wasn't resentful that Robert didn't make him Hand (at least not in the books), he was resentful that Robert gave him Dragonstone and handed Renly Storm's End, since Storm's End was Stannis's birthright and he spent the entire war holding it under Robert's orders, even as he starved to death under siege.
Ned really felt like the competent and highly-respected local town leader being promoted to handle gross big city politics
A real shame, that. He wasn't made for such a hostile environment. Doesn't mean he wasn't a good ruler, most of his lords loved him or at least respected him. But crown tier politics, well...
Mr. Smith goes to Washington type beat
Yeah the show give off those vibes but its the North isn't exactly a local town. He had to deal with Boltons, Umbers, Karstarks, Greyjoy rebellions and all sorts of nasty stuff as lord of Winterfell. It was just the location and people that he wasn't used to.
"Mormont is a slaver, not a traitor. I know, a small difference to an honorable man." - Great scene
It funny because he kind of yells when he says it. Like dude calm down
It also showed how callous littlefinger was about Slavery....but Ned was having None of it.
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Slavery built the worlds during medeival kingdoms.
Don't care if you think it's justified or not but the economy rested on their backs and would fall never to rise again if some Lincoln comes around
I love the look of surprise on Vary’s face when Ned offers his own personal guard to keep the peace. I think it was surprise and respect as very few others would offer their own personal guard to keep the peace for peasants to put it bluntly.
3:49
No, i think that was the moment everyone realized, that they couldnt work with him.
Watch the first minutes. Varys has such a great actor. He looks so surprised an amazed at how decent Ned was with all his answers. Also a bit sad maybe, thinking he wouldnt last.
he would have got a chub
if only
@@majormononoke8958 it was also the beginning of Ned stripping away all of his own protection. First he helped the city watch, then sent his men to help Beric find The Mountain, Jaime killed a few in the street fight, so in the final showdown it was just a squad of guys.
Varys has the best expressions in these meetings
yeah, and he is never, not once scared or intimidated by no one.
His expression at 10:37 is my favorite.
The way he looks at Ned in admiration when he says we should pray for the Butchers boy. He's like could he be a good hand? Maybe.
Young_Latch his expression at 23.43 when joffrey shouts I AM THE KING was priceless
@@ShingenNolaanThe only exception I can think of is when Littlefinger tells him he found out about Ros
I enjoyed those first season meetings. You can tell that Ned doesn't belong in a room with that much corruption and heartlessness and he's well aware of it. It makes for great tension in otherwise tensionless scenes
Plus, it also shows Ned as a poor politician putting honor above pragmatism and political benefits. Something that was used against him by people more cunning, manipulative, and have been in this dirty game for years.
@@silentecho92able politicians are naturally honorless
Ned was absolutely wrong when it came to Dany though, his honor clouds his ability to weigh the practical pros and cons of a decision
@@silentecho92able The man was a well loved and feared Lord of the North. Ned wasn’t a poor politician, he just didn’t belong in Kings Landing.
@@Prodigi50 I agree with you he is loved and feared but that was in the North. An in the North Honor and loyalty is placed above personal gain.
But he is still a poor politician, for starters him not putting people he can trust in positions of power in Kings landing like replacing the captain City Watch. Not agreeing on Assassinating Daenerys despite the fact the potential threat she is for the realm at the time.
He publicly denounced Tywin despite Tywin being justified in his raids in in the Riverlands do to Tyrion being abducted by Neds wife. Granted this was Cats own doing something Ned did not foresee. However, antagonizing Tywin one of the most powerful lords in the south whos own people and supporters are in Kings Landing and in positions of power by the way is foolish. Meaning Ned is making no friends and no allies.
An his biggest mistake was revealing to Cersei he knows of her affair with Jaime and her 3 kids true parentage. This was huge even Varys criticized him. As he is accusing the Queen of something slanderous. That he should have told Robert regardless even in his deathbed of what he found. Ned would still have his head if he had made the right decisions.
These mistakes have major political ramifications that would in turn bring bad things that will happen to Westeros moving forward.
I agree with you he is not in the right environment and he might be good in politics up north, but his actions speak for themselves in the south. Hence why in season 2 we see the opposite in Tyrion and how he adapted quick in Kings Landing. Despite never being given any real power before except being given the position of Janitor by his dad in Casterly rock. An Tyrion never had any years of real political experience unlike Ned.
I always find it funny how Jofrey says his father won the real war, but he doesn't understand just how true that is. Jaime was the one who killed the king finishing it.
Still kind of true of his idea of Robert as well. Joffrey is truly convinced Robert is his father. Robert led the rebellion, killed Rhaegar the crowned prince in battle. Tywin was honestly a coward for the most part. In fact the Lannister's were supporting the Targaryens at first. Jaimie killed the Mad King and Tywin took the opportunity to switch sides, sack Kings Landing and murder the remaining Targaryens and Martells. Tywin always acted kind of sneaky and unconventionally including his back deal with the Frey's and Bolton's.
Robert won the war, with ned and arryn of course but they won. They did most of the strategizing, their house made up the bulk of their forces. The casus beli was neds family getting fucked, and Roberts wife getting kidnapped, all three raised their banners. The battle of the Trident was the deciding battle in the war and Robert killed rhaegar, who was the commander and heir to the throne. All Jaime did really was steal the kill, even after aerys was dead, the war was still on months after he died. But yeah, Robert was the clear victor, he killed rhaegar, and he commanded most of the battles, even winning 3 battles, beating every army in turn. He was the first one to enter the battlefield and the first to climb the walls in a siege, he was charismatic, turning enemies into loyal allies. He was the face of the rebellion really. So I don't think that Jaime won the war, thats pretty goofy, he was inactive until the moment he killed aerys, while Robert was kicking everyone's ass from the beginning, cutting his way to kings landing.
@@kyleenglot9184because tywin isn't a commander, or at least a commander like ned and Robert are. Ned and Robert lead armies at the vanguard, tywin leads from the back, this shows you how good Ned and Robert are when leading men into battle.They grew up with soldiers, they know the battlefield and understand logistics.I mean, Neds son is a military genius, who never lost a battle, he outsmarted tywin and Jaime. Fr, this is why Tywin sacked the city, he was not gonna risk having a pitched battle with Ned. He also didn't like aerys. Tywin chooses and picks his battles wisely, he said he "never lost a war", and this is why. ACoK exemplifies this, he loses militarily to robb stark, battle after battle, but one political blunder on Robb's part, and tywin ends the war like that.
@@Sb22-ru2tkit's strongly implied that Robb isn't winning battles due to military genius, but rather following Blackfish's advice and using his warg abilities to scout around. Still has a good enough judgement (especially for his age) to heed the expertise of an experienced commander, but that's different from genius.
@@threenumbnuts nah, that's dumb. And you don't understand either. Winning battles and wars is a team effort, and ultimately it all fell upon Robb stark to still execute his plans, and put them to work, and rule on top of that. Yes he listened to his advisors, so did every other conqueror in history, the best conquerors have great advisors. But, getting the tactics and logistics right, and everything that comes with it. The main leader is the foundation of it all so that victory is granted. Effectively utilizing battlefield strategies, such as double envelopes and pincer maneuvers, having loyal soldiers and subjects, a big empire, drawing plans, leading men into battle, managing all that shit. Winning ambushes and pitched battles, knowing how to manage/lead the lines, the wings, the center of the army, leading them effectively while also giving commands, having an army that can achieve all this efficiently. Simply listening to someone else won't give you that. That's fucking stupid. And Robb stark did all those at a young age too. So yeah, he's genius,
while i do enjoy the epic battle scenes and action spectacles, these subtle power plays in the small councils were the best
Nicholas C. This was the reason why I got hooked up with GoT. So sad about the travesty that is season 8.
"The peasants say a long summer means an even longer winter"
Nah it'll just be like 24 hours don't worry about it
woah thats crazy.... i finally started scrolling through comments and came across this one JUST as Varys said it in the video
What are you talking about ? 24 hours really ? It barely lasted two hours lmao
In the end it never was an ominous omen, it was just some wacky peasant superstition all along!
If that
more like an unpleasant evening
I love how Cersei was eating it up when Tyrion was told he was going to marry Sansa, she was being snarky as usual, then Tywin hit her with the “he will do as he is told, as will you. You’ll marry Ser Loras” that changed her expression so fast 😂
The Small Council grows smaller and smaller
not small enough
And the plots dumber and dumber.
and the traveltime shorter and shorter
It eventually completely disappeared...
Isn't the Hand of the King(Queen) part of the small council?
That part about Ned not wanting to assassinate Daenerys... It's not just his sense of honor holding him back. He doesn't want to kill Jon's aunt and cousin. I see that now.
What worst is that ALL ALONG, Ned knows that Jon is the true heir to the Iron Throne, the secret that Ned had been keeping for himself from his King Baratheon. His code of honor and loyalty really conflict each other.
In the show... sure.
In the books, he doesn't want to kill Dany because she's his niece and he swore to Lyanna to protect her.
what?
Langdon Aldger You're saying Dany is the daughter of Rhaegar and Lyanna?
In the books, yes.
In the show, Jon is their son.. and also Rhaegar's second son called aegon.
"Do nothing till the enemies are at our shores" that aged like fine wine
To be honest, it was his own doing that set off everything. If he never sent an assassin, Drago would have no reason to war with the King Landing.
@SilkyLew drogo would have still died one way or another, khals dont live that long you know, and im pretty certain she would have tried something with those dragon eggs one way or another, same way one of her targ ancestors burnt himself to death over rhe obsession over hatching some eggs he had
This comment may also apply to our real lives right now.
@@danielmcgillis270 LETS GO BRANDON!
@@mkultra2456Joe Biden is under your bed
Kevan is so underrated. He really is Tywin's brother. Head and shoulders smarter above everyone else in the room.
It really sucks that Oberyn was only in the story for such a short time. Every scene he’s in is gold
King's Landing dialogues truly shine when Oberyn, Tyrion and Olenna were there. They managed to make even dialogues with fools interesting and entertaining, and dialogues with other witty characters (like Tywin and Varys) even more satisfying.
@@Libellulairehow could you not mention Tywin? He was the best one.
" Joffrey didn't die on his watch"
I'm glad Twyin call out Cersei's awful decision to remove and dismiss Ser Barristan. I'm glad he work for the targaryen, it shows how the decision was not only dumb and make weaker the Lannister.
24:00 “the king is tired” is by far one of my favorite moments in the entire show. The essence of Tywin is on full display and the build up throughout the scene is just immaculate
You mean: Joffrey: what's up over the Narrow sea? And what will we do with that? Tywin: the last dragons were like cats so it won't be a problem to care about.
Joffrey even tried to look tough in front of Tywin. Even Cersei knows that if the situation escalates, things will not end well. Cersei knows his father too well.
It felt like Tywin heard Tyrions quip and was like, “Oh are we doin this, are we needling the boy finally?” and piled on.
I love how tywin tilts his head
@@tycrane2539Tywin always knew Joffrey was a little shit that would need to be brought into line sooner or later. He may dislike Tyrion, but he knows that he's right in this instance.
Man, I fucking LOVE when Joffrey mouths off to Tywin and the room goes STONE COLD. Even his mother is like "I love you but you're on your own if you keep this up."
I shed two tears everytime I watch GoT scenes before Season 6. One for how good things are - and one for how I know it was all for nothing in the end. DX
Cersei: We are to discuss the uprising in Dorne
Kevan: You have no place on the Small Council
Cersei: And seeing as you can’t make me leave we might as well get on with it
Kevan: No, but you can’t make us stay. Not unless you’re going to have that thing murder us all
Ser Kevan holds his brother’s badassery and deserved more screen time, openly insults Cersei and The Mountain without giving a shit
I always loved how he saw through her bullshit. She tried to emulate Tywin when it came to ruling through Tommen, but fell utterly short.
''Not unless you’re going to have that thing murder us all'' - well in fact, she did almost exactly that 🧪
@@MrJordwalk I mean, think about it for a second.
Kevan grew up with *Tywin*. You think his second-rate faux-cunning daughter who tries to emulate Tywin yet fails almost every time is any sort of effort for the guy?
@@im_flat People thought Kevan was a weak follower type, but the best leaders know you can't always be at the top of the pyramid. You have to set aside your ego and be the second in command sometimes.
That scene should have been the end of Cersei’s power… it’s a travesty the shoehorned her getting the power back in…
I love how Jeoffrey genuinely believed Robert was his dad when everybody else knew the truth.
I really wish they had placed Joffrey at the end of the Small Council scene where Robert yells that he will put Ned's head on a spike himself. I think it would have tied in well with when he called for Ned's head rather well. Say what you like about Joffrey, he looked up to Robert and would do anything to please him.
Everyone but Tywin
@@SakariWolf13you would have written season 8
@@bonganishiba5703Tywin absolutely knows he just tries to delude himself when it comes to it.
@@SakariWolf13that would make a lot of sense since in the books, it was implied it was Joffrey who sent the assassin to kill Bran when he was still in a coma because he heard Robert said something along the lines of death would be a lot merciful than living as a cripple. Joffrey's a little sociopath all right but just imagine the what could have been if Robert actually bothered to raise him. Not even Cersei could have stopped him.
Ned stark is the best example of “choose between what is right and what is easy”.
He is so honourable
that's what killed him tho,
@@krebs9505so? We all die sometime. It's how we live our lives is what matters.
@@PRubin-rh4srHis "honour" caused more violence and suffering than was necessary. Real life is about compromise and consensus, not standing on some principle and ignoring the consequences of doing so. Martin said that he deliberately used Ned as an example of how fantasy ideals have no place in politics. Same with his son Robb, whose sense of "honour" in the books led him to breaking his marriage pledges and alienating his allies. If you're a leader, it's not all about YOU.
@@zippymufo9765 He didnt ignore the consequences, he chose a decision knowing full well the consequences. Why do you think "honorable" men are rare if not in irl, in the series? Because humans are designed to take the easiest path, that's evolution. We humans can also CHOOSE to ignore our natural tendencies, Ned, the character is characterized by that.
And who decides what suffering and violence is necessary? You?
@@PRubin-rh4sr Most sane humans want to minimize death and suffering, and are willing to bend for the sake of peace 😂😂😂 They're not narcissists so obsessed with their "honour" that they're willing to start wars that kill off innocent people. That's why people like Ned don't live for long "irl", others see that they're a liability and remove them for the sake of peace. The three most morally despicable characters in the series were Ned, Catelyn, and Robb, because they were willing to sacrifice other people lives for their own selfish "honour". What did Catelyn accomplish by kidnapping Tyrion, except to get people killed and start a war over a false accusation she couldn't even prove? What did Ned accomplish by stupidly telling Cersei he knew her children were the product of incest and he was going to tell Robert? His "honour" required him to telegraph all his moves in advance and give his enemies extra time to counter them 😂😂😂 What did Robb accomplish by executing Karstark? He lost a huge chunk of his allies at a time when he needed them most. And considering that Danerys ultimately went insane and began mass murdering everyone, it was a good idea all the way back at the beginning for the Small Council to want her to be assassinated. "Honour" is narcissism and selfish pride disguised as virtue.
love that scene with Tyrion dragging the chair as obnoxiously as possible, always gets me
From strategic moves to mindless battles; from GRRM's brilliance to D&D's incompetence.
Not even incompetence. They practically did it on purpose. They could've let someone take over when they no longer felt like doing it.
@@Wyzai yeah, whatever the fuck Season 7-8 are, they shouldn't exist.
The first seasons were D&D work as well you can't just give all the credit to GRRM
@@miracleyang3048 They had source material, some people are great making adaptation, that doesn't make them competent writing their own content.
I _mostly_ give GRRM the credit.
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Oh then you can't blame their incompetence on the later season, it's the fault of the one who didn't provide them with source material you can't have it both ways
These scenes were always the best because you can't chuck a CGI dragon in, or a massive battle. You have to be able to write intelligent, well though-out engaging dialogue. Which would explain why the best council meetings were based on George's books.
I wanna see your tears when GRRM will finish his stories with basically the same dragon/zombie/battle porn xD Because it's not like the stories within the books lead to something like this, right...? :)
Well I think if you read the books you'd agree that although the battles and dragons are present, it's all backed up with solid rational, and realistic political intrigue.
Oh yeah, because everyone wants to see a dragon discussing politics, or how much coin the white walkers are using in their schemes......Theres a time for politics, and a time for magic!
It'd be interesting to see what Drogon's campaign promises are though, and I'm curious if the Night King has been filing his taxes correctly and whether or not he will Make Westeros Dead Again
NicoBoi LOL!
“She should die now, so that tens on thousands might live”.
Maester Pycelle was our hero all along, if only we knew at the time.
she dies, Night King takes the seven kingdoms, millions die, hindsight is a good thing isn't it
@@Cafetero_ Arya kills NK anyway, plot armour is stronger than "good writing".
@@Cafetero_ If she dies the night king doesn't get a dragon. Also Arya and her massive plot armor kill the NK anyway
Even arya said that without her dragons we wouldn't win
It will play out differently when the books finally come out. The ending in the show was a dumpster fire!
Love how Tyrion and Tywin momentarily teamed up against Joffrey to send him to bed lolll
You'd think Jaime, Cersei, and Tyrion could all sympathize with each other in their mutual misery of having a father like Tywin. "You will wed her, bed her, and breed her." lol I loved it how Cersei arrogantly thought she could gloat over Tyrion having to wed Sansa-until Tywin dropped the bomb on her. Her face was priceless.
My thoughts exactly
Tywin was a man of vision.
He was the true King from his debut till his death. He Won the most battles. (Not just physically but mentally) he had everyone in line even Joeffrey. And he’s the man who kept the Lannisters safe and alive. They were a bunch of ungrateful pricks. Sansa and Theon were literally being torture beyond the point of death. And they were whining about marrying absolutely Gorgeous Highgarden royalty.
@@popshenroin5797 he's also a jerk and has a lot of flaws.... Congratulations you fell into his charm... He's overusing his ruthlessness and then he's dead on the loo
@@seliamila1005 Flaws! Elaborate.
@@seliamila1005 he's was the smartest person in the entire show
I love the clip at 13:30.
Without a line of dialogue it reveals each characters personality.
Tywin sits at the head of the table, asserting his rule.
Littlefinger quickly sits closest to the person in charge, the best place to influence.
Varys, annoyed, takes the next closest seat. Wanting to be close, but no suck up.
Pycell takes the third seat, no longer willing to really fight politically. He’s alright just keeping on.
Cersei, who would like to think she thought outside of the box, moves a chair to sit at the right hand of the person in charge.
And Tyrion, who actually thinks outside of the box and is a rebel sits on the other side, in opposition of the person in charge.
Masterful.
Accurate except Pycell is sinister political operator hiding behind the act of a frail old man, he walks slowly and sheepishly to the third seat putting on his act in front of others to appear foolish.
r/iamverysmart
@@chaeriplease it's not a bad analysis. You have to admit at least Tyrion places his seat directly across of his father because he demands his respect and considers himself on the same level as Tywin
Sweet Soul Brother Never said it's bad, what I'm saying is it's way too obvious. I don't think anyone needed it explained to them.
@@chaeriplease ridiculous
4:57. I really love how much depth and meaning went into every line of dialogue. In the third meeting, when Robert asks everyone to convince to Ned, they all have their own unique way of doing so in their own unique personalities. Varys takes the ethical approach claiming it's the right thing to do. Pycelle, a maester, speaks logically in terms of comparing the number of lives lost. Renly thinks very similarly to his brother, very aggressively, and by stating that "We should have had them both killed years ago" shows that this he's wanted to do this before and that there no question about it. Littlefinger speaks in a metaphor, slyly but not uncouthly
Not to mention the way Ned lets them each make their case, before ignoring them and addressing Robert directly. He respects the small council enough in principle to hear them out, but he also knows they're amoral yes-men who'll do whatever Robert tells them to.
Slight correction on Varys. He wasn't proclaiming it's the right thing to do. He even specifically says it's a terrible and vile thing. But he was also saying it was essentially the 'lesser of two evils' choice because it would result in less bloodshed.
Can we just talk a second about how amazing both the lighting and scenery are in these clips? The way every room appears open and cathedral-like, with beams of light pouring down, just add so much to the medieval atmosphere of Game of Thrones. Really enjoyed watching this through and just admiring the scenery and visual world-building.
Some of these early small council scenes are the best in the series. Dialogue in the latest seasons is almost straight exposition and could be delivered by any character. But here we have great interactions with characters revealing their motivations also with what they don’t say: their reactions, when they change the subject, HOW they speak and choose their words. This is what was great about GoT
was, sadly
These scenes are what “the game of thrones” is all about.
what confused me was that robert didnt want a war. he was a warmonger and womanizer. im slightly surprised he didnt welcome a war with the dothraki. he definitely enjoyed the war against the ironborn and his ursurper conquest
Yes you just need to watch a few of the earlier seasons to realize how far downhill GoT has gone.
I think Robert was against the war with the Dothraki because he knew how dangerous they were and just hated the Targ's and didn't want them to get any power so he was fine with just killing them.
i love Robert Baratheon yelling at Ned to "GET OUT" when he had already quit and was already leaving, and then yelling a bunch of empty threats about beheading him. what a shmuck.
Only Ned could walk out of there like that without a care for the any of threats, really shows the bond those two had for each other.
Robert ended up being right tho? Daenerys was an existential threat that needed to be eliminated.
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If I recall correctly, after Viserys was killed, Daenerys lost interest in conquering Westeros and only regained it after the assassination attempt ordered by Robert himself. In that case, Robert's prediction comes across more as a self-fulfilling prophecy which does not mean much.
@@markcobuzzi826 that's true. Drogo was on the war path after that and had no interest in crossing the narrow sea. Daenerys was still trying to convince Drogo to cross before that tho. The only thing the assassination changed was Drogo mobilizing the khalasar for war
@@willbeard4835
Ah, I see. I knew it was something similar to that, but my memory at the moment was a bit murky.
About killing Daenerys:
Varys: “Sometimes hard things must be done”
Pycelle: “Think about the safety of the realm”
Renlly: “We should have killed them years ago”
Littlefinger: “When you find yourself in bed with an ugly woman best close your eyes and be done with it”
Varys: (mind facepalm)
They were right. Look how it ended , Robert would have saved millions
@@Christhegreatbro It didn't work because Jorah turned traitor. Robert's command was carried out. Daenerys was to be poisoned by the wine seller but Jorah stepped in. If Robert was not so bloodthirsty for Targeryan blood he wouldn't have caused a ripple between him and Ned which then led to his death.
Yep. Close your eyes or just say you prefer her sister 😂
@@mariuszmiroslaw2290 Depending on the woman, you'd either be slapped, killed or unharmed. But then again, anything's possible.
Pretty sure Littlefinger did that on purpose
This was what made the show so great, not overblown CGI battles or cheerworthy moments for the masses. But simply scenes of people talking to eachother. It's crazy how a subdued scene with good writing is far more entertaining than an epic one with bad writing.
What a fantastic show, all six seasons were wonderful. If only we’d gotten to see what happened after Dany left Essos.
😂 I see what you did there
Once Cersei was Queen, there was no small council, she micro-managed every aspect of governance herself.
You mean 4 seasons 😅
The only thing I liked about the 6th season was Ramsey Bolton because he was an intimidating and vile antagonist. But otherwise season 6 had many flaws. Season 5 is where the cracks started to show, it wasn't bad per say but the quality of the dialogue went south.
You mean 4 (maybe 5) . Seasons. There is no rest
And the final small council scene is about Repairing Brothels.
what are you on about the last council meeting was very well written
@@razvan2632 No offense but I don't think you know the meaning of what "Well Written" is if you think that was what it was.
I’m still trying to wake from a coma that hit me when I first saw bronn as lord of highgarden and master of coin like wtf was that ??!
what??? I thought tyrion fixing chairs was oscar worthy!
To be fair the brothels would make a pretty decent source of income.
Look at Varys face after the butchers son comment by Ned. He's so relieved Ned actually cares for a commoner.
Rob yelling at Ned saying he'll have his head on a spike was such a subtle foreshadow now that you come to think of it...
"I am NOT tired" LOL one of the best lines delivered perfectly
The guy pretty much quit acting after his character died. That's the problem with having such an iconic asshole character - that's what people will always see him as, even if the actor himself is actually a pretty cool guy.
Sadly that is true. People are retarded.
Any man who must say “I’m not tired” is truly tired.
@@0mnicide Haha :).
@@0mnicide yeah lol like i am not drunk
I fucking love Mace Tyrell. That dumb big smile on his face every time he gets asked to do literally anything, even if completely menial . He's just happy to be here.
hes the smartest character in the show. the lord smart enough to not get involved in politics.
@@zm1786It is a little too bad that Mace didn't get time to shine. Book accounts mention that he is very much a smart and cunning lord, and takes after Olenna in the latter's respect while hiding the former.
Instead the show just puts him as a doddering idiot that everyone knows is useless.
@@TheUndyingCrystal him seigeing storms end was the biggest brain move of the rebellion.
Pretending to be doing something , but not really doing anything. So if the targs won he could say he was seiging the rebel capital, if the baratheons won, he could just say he was obeying his king and he didn't kill any Baretheon men
"A Targaryen at the head of a Dothraki army!"
He's right, you know.
Best solution is to use house greyjoy and stannis to bring their ships to cover the narrow sea. Assassination even attempted was the reason why drogo wanted to attack.
True but his actions were self-fullfilling
"Only a fool would meet the Dothraki in a nopen field". /speaks in Jaime and Bron marching past the Blackwater Rush: 'Aah, naah, what could go wrong? Its a beautiful summer day and...."
no longer
LMAO and my boy Bobby was right yet again. BITCH BURNED KL.
*"Are you telling me the Crown is 3 millions in debt?"*
*"I'm telling you the Crown is **_6_** millions in debt."*
*"How could you let this happen?"*
It's Ned's shocked face and tone that get me XD
"...while you hid under Casterly Rock!" The looks after that are between shock, fear, "this could get interesting" and "are you stupid?" :D
It was truth and also a tragedy. Joffrey loved Robert as his magnanimous father and Robert loved Joffrey as his first born son. A wretched affair this Cersei Lannister subjected Robert and her sons to.
Actually Robert didn’t like Joffrey, he suspected quite early that he had sort of a sadistic side (something to do with Joffrey torturing a cat for example if I remember correctly)
Also the height of ironic hypocrisy, since he hid under the Red Keep during Battle of Blackwater and broke morale among his soldiers.
@@anondelirius3255 he caught jofferey killing a cat and slapped a tooth out his mouth. He knew something was wrong with him.
Honestly tywin just looked bored like Joffrey was just another shit stain to clean up
Littlefinger and Varys were competent at what they did. They earned their place on the small council rather than being chosen for political reasons.
Renyl was great too, comes with age I suppose
I know little finger was master of coin, what did Varys do on the council?
@@pewdipiekjelberg7938 Master of secret. Brought a lot of info
Those two were the only ones on the council who couldn't or shouldn't have been replaced as their expertise wasn't granted to them by education, status or wealth but instead by contacts that only they have.
You can't just appoint a new master of whispers and hope he'll have all the connections that the spider had.
@@pewdipiekjelberg7938hes like a good intentioned Herbert Hoover
Tywin was so open to "having talks" with anyone, even Mance Rayder, to suit his political whims, you really have to respect it.
When did Tywin speak to Mance Rayder?
@@timothywright567 he didn't, but he talked about doing it.
It was a joke. Talking to a king legitimizes him.
@@PRubin-rh4sr Tywin hated humor, he wouldn't joke
@@RealHorsenIn the books. Show Tywin had a bit of a lighthearted side when dealing with his kids and Arya, probably just to humanise him.
Its insane how everytime you rewatch after gaining an understanding of what actually happened ned stark shines more and more as one of the best characters to ever exist in the show
These scenes had the best actors and just like in the show, they each tried to out-do each other. Tywin was my favorite character. Savage and intelligent. Demanded respect and gave it to those who earned it. Charles Dance was a great choice if not perfect
Baelish and Varys did a lot of heavy lifting too
The dude who played King Edward I would have played it well too. A bit old these days perhaps. Tywin was modeled on Longshanks after all.
Charles Dance was "the best" casting choice in the long cast list of the Game of Thrones. Period.
yes he did some stellar acting right there!
Tywin seemed like the final boss that can’t be beaten
Most people are quick to judge Ned as stupid and too honorable, etc. The truth is that Ned's way was just as potent as Tywin's, but fate favored the Lannisters in Season 1. There was never a guarantee that Robert would die on his hunting trip, especially since Ser Barriston was with him. In that respect, Cersei got lucky that her plan worked. If he survived, Ned would have told Robert everything and then the game would have been over for Cersei. Ned also had a major handicap against him, in that his wife stupidly kidnapped Tyrion. She is the one that really messed things up for him, because he took all the blame for it.
Beyond his death, the name Eddard Stark carried more weight than most names in Westeros and still does in Season 8. People are still talking about him. Is it because he was some great fighter? Sure he was strong, but not renowned as better than the likes of Arthur Dayne. Is it because he was rich and powerful? He didn't have nearly as much influence as Tywin, and yet no one talks about him anymore. Is it because he played the Game of Thrones? He said fuck the game.
It's because he had a code of honor and stuck to it. He made a name for himself as Warden of the North as honorable and just. Stannis takes Jon's recommendation to take Mance prisoner in Season 5 in honor of Eddard Stark. Stannis used Ned's declaration that he should be king as a rallying cry. Cersei asked Jon to stay neutral in Season 7, stating that the son of Ned Stark would keep his word. Sansa survived King's Landing because she was Ned Stark's daughter. That was the only reason she was betrothed to Joffrey in the first place. Olenna helped Sansa out because she admired Ned Stark. Robb called all of his bannermen in Season 1, and they answered. They were willing to fight the crown for Ned.
The point is that Eddard had a presence in Westeros that no one else had and could have just as easily won against the Lannisters had one thing been different. But obviously, that wasn't the story Martin wanted to tell, so things went in the direction they went.
True!
Yes and after book 1, we see how everything Cersei does back fires in her face. It was a miracle that killing Robert worked and she got joff on throne
For real tho, the North couldve even won if fucking Lysa wasnt being controlled by Littlefinger considering the Knights of the Vale wanted to join the North in Ned’s aid.
Marco yes with someone like bronze yohn Royce leading the vale forces. I don’t think Tywin would have been able to leave to save kings landing from stannis
Cat was stupid and did a both his husband and son dirty
Small Council meetings seemed to bring out some of the finest acting moments the series has seen ... I LOVED the dark atmosphere contained with the scenes and subtle use of the hot summer sunlight we knew was outside. Seeing the characters discuss things that were happening across the GOT world was always a thrill, and made the universe feel large but connected. I miss the dialogue from the old days, and the simmering pace of the early seasons.
the scene where tyrion moves his chair away and varays looks at him and smiles is just pure gold
Yeah!
Hahaha I just noticed what Varys showed to Tyrion after Littlefinger said about "positively predisposed" 😂😂
kevan had the most sense of anyone on the small council lol
Tyrion though.
Kevan is an idiot that divided his family. He might be smart but not wise enough to know that a divided house can not stand
@@jimeno726 Frankly he didn't have a choice. Cersei has proven time and time again to be a complete idiot who thinks herself a genius and has driven everything she's touched straight into the ground. Kevan was absolutely justified in going against her.
Kevan was what I called “diet Tywin”. Sure he was Tywin’s brother but he wasn’t as strong and intimidating as Tywin.
@@jimeno726 in the books he was killed by Varys because he was doing too good of a job. It was justified going against cersei considering she was the person that cause all of that.
These were the brightest moments in Game of Thrones. Not the dragon roasting spectacle and dumb plans of season 7.
Completely agree, Season 7 played out like a Tumblr fanfiction.
Král Václav I. See how much it got worse when they stopped following martin's story.
can you really blame them? like you said, the source material ran out and all they had was a loose outline and an ending... and three seasons of screen time to fill for something that isn't their vision.
It's almost like all these seasons weren't leading up to that or something...
Stephen Grigg Well I'm pretty sure they would be allowed to extend the show to 9 seasons or even 10 if the actors agreed to it.
And they did have a lot of material to use, they disregarded most of A Feast For Crows and A Dance With Dragons to make their up their own stories. The reason it feels different isn't because they ran out of source material, it's because George R. R. Martin stopped working on the show so he isn't helping them with the writing. HBO left the show entirely in Dan and Dave's hands, and apparently they don't even want to keep working on the show because they've grown bored with it, which is why next season is only 6 episodes long.
Charles Dance was just absolutely fantastic in every episode. Made Tywin such an incredibly strong character everyone feared.
He is teh lord of the dance.
Love the subtle definitions of power. The lords just do whatever under Ned and Tyrion. But under Tywin they don't even budge until he directs them to. Also while Tyrion is active hand - he doesn't dismiss the meeting but when Cersei leaves they all get up and follow.
Man Varys is just sitting there dumbfounded by how foolish Ned is offering 20 of his own men to the city watch
He cares much of the realm than of his own.
If I remember correctly. Shortly after that scene Varys approaches Neds chambers and tells his truth that the king is a fool and he didn't trust Ned until now. My take is by offering 20 of his own men to the city watch, Varys finally came to realise that Ned wasn't the same as those around him. He was decent enough to help those as best he could and that this was a man worth trusting.
@Mark-qu1gj A man worth trusting, but sadly a man too out of his depth to help or be helped.
I imagine Ned's death would be one of Varys' bigger regrets, realm besides. Good men are hard to find.
Season 1-4 are so well done it’s unbelievable!
exactly, show dropped in quality in season 5 & 6 and went to shit after.
You know it's really funny how Robert's assassination attempt on Dany led to Drogo declaring war and her meeting that witch lady which ultimately led to her dragons being born. In his attempt to stop the Targaryens from regaining power, Robert only started Dany's journey to power
What now? Didn’t you see in this video he didn’t send them?
@@cerovk6000 The wine seller was sent and he failed
@@cerovk6000 if you actually watched the show, you'd know that they did send an assassin and it was too late to call him off, even though Robert finally agreed to call it off as he lay dying in his bed. He was the wine seller, the assassin. And he had specific poisoned wine, once he found out who she was, Dany, he threw away the other unpoisoned wine he'd been trying to sell to her and took out the poisoned wine instead, claiming it to be far higher quality. Jorah Mormont knew that the assassin was coming, though, but he decided to side with Dany instead of going back to Westeros to accept his royal pardon. So he stopped her from drinking the poisoned wine.
Then that assassin wine seller was tortured to death, slowly, by being dragged behind one of the horses of the dothraki.
Actually go watch the show, instead of just TH-cam clips, and then you'd know all of this stuff.
@@duffman18 haha thanks for replying to a comment half a year ago. I did watch the show actually.
Renly had it right tbh. They should've had them killed years ago. I'm guessing Jon Arryn didn't want to do that, and made excuses.
I understand it’s a different shows but these dialogues and small council scenes are the charm of game of thrones that house of the dragon doesn’t have, and it’s the charm that made got a great show
20:40 was soooo satisfying to watch, seeing Cersei’s smug smirk drop from her face when she’s told she’ll marry Loras is fantastic. One the reasons I loved Olenna and Tywin is how easily they could put Cersei in her place with their clever words because of course ‘she isn’t as smart as she thinks she is.’
Cersei thought she was smart because she was born in that family it had nothing to do with actually using brains ,even tywin knew she would not last not that he was misogynist or has hatred towards his daughter,he just knew she crossed the lines way too many times without spitting it all the time from his mouth
Olenna was so much fun on screen. She wasn't the only one, of course there was Tywin and Tyrion, and the scenes with Tywin and Arya. But Olenna had own way. I felt my heart stop when that stupid young man told her when the cheese would be served. Fortunately for him, she kept the vicious beatings verbal.
@@steffidas4785Oh he's absolutely misogynistic, he just also has eyes and can see how bad at decision making she actually is
Any man who must say “I’m not tired” is truly tired.
Fuck, this is too true.
Have anyone told Danerys that Ned Stark was against her assasination ? someone should’ve told her probably Varys she need to know that Ned was honorable man unlike many
House Stark no one, but season 7 was rushed they left many details out
It doesnt really matter. If people care about the deeds of one's parents then she has no claim for the throne. What matters is that she trusts Jon. And Im honestly not sure Varys is on her side. Dont forget he was slimy enough to stay alive even being the one who said dont let Tywin in. He knows how to make present rulers think they can trust him. And he definitely has an agenda.
i think she dose know or she dose not know that he had anything to do with it
but then it could come out that they were for her assassination.
Jack J No dany's not aware, as when she met Jon she asked if he knew if Ned's best friend tried to "assassinate a baby girl in her crib."
ned should have sacked littlefinger when he heard the crown was 6 mil in debt
He can't sack Littlefinger without the king's approval. Besides, it's just as Littlefinger said: the king tells him to get the money and he does it. It's the king's responsibility to keep finances in mind when making decisions, as well as to listen to his advisors. Robert did neither.
@@wusscake
1. It was impossible for the crown to get in so much debt mathematically. It would require a Hand's Tourney level expense every 3 months, so 100% Littlefinger's fault.
2. Robert wouldn't give a shit if Ned wanted to fire Littlefinger
You can notice Littefinger’s accent changing as time goes on. He’s straight up Irish now.
He just can't be arsed to do an english accent anymore.
Hahahaha
Your car is gay.
"Oh, I'm a monster? Perhaps you should speak to me more softly, then. Monsters are dangerous, and just now, Kings are dying like flies." Ah, this is why I got hooked on the show back then. More weight and gravitas in a single quote than the entirety of S7 and S8
Rewatching to remind myself why I even liked this show. Actual use of brain cells
Outstanding acting, especially Lena Headey. Every word uttered hits like knives. I can appreciate it more so at second viewing.
14:31 Everybody wanted to be close to Tywin..and then there is Tyrion who wanted to be equal to him. Just Tyrion things😂
Such a great detail
I don't think it had to (only) do with being close to Tywin, but rather as a power play.
Tywin seated himself first, so the others had to adjust.
Baelish immediately sat at his left side, the closest chair to Tywin, the others had to deal with the missed opportunity. Cersei made actually a smart move, taking the chair and placing it where she wants it to be. The only place left for Tyrion was at the chair the farthest away, with least significance; he could also take the chair similar like Cersei to her side, but that would show that he were inferior, as he only sits to her side instead of Tywins. So he instead places it to the opposite of Tywin.
That actually shows a lot about their personalities. Baelish just takes the best opportunity there is to get closer to power and more powerful himself, Varys and Pycelle react to the events, trying to still make the best out of their possibilities.
Both Cersei and Tyrion are clever enough to think outside of the box and to create and seize their own opportunities.
some brilliant analysis there
@@Magrat_Knoblauch Yes only, Varys has the advantage, pycelle is old and slow, and weak to the other players. And Tyrion not only thinks out of the box but waits for everyone to make their move analyses the situation before making his own, and he also shows that he's a powerful opponent but doesn't what to make enemies right away.
@@Gavin-N You're right, that could be added additionally. :)
hahaha
"Killed a few puppies today?" 😂
But it was something in it - there were Jeffrey happiest moments in life I guess :D. He has seemed at that very moment most happy than in all his life :) :) :) which says a lot how sad person he was and his life.
Nothing sad about appreciating how good the red wedding was
How did we go from this to the travesty that is Season 8?
D&D
Paul Kim dumb and dumber are shit writers, you can tell when George left the show it went completely downhill
Dialogues have been one liners and horrible jokes since season 7. These council meeting wouldn't sell with current audience either.1
Wah wah my fanfiction didnt come true so season 8 sucks wah wah
@@Inaresco it's not about that, it's about how uninteresting are the dialogues in the last season. The difference to the first ones is quite remarkable
That perfect little Tyrion threat to Joffrey was awesome. I was so happy when I saw
Tywin was about to put Tyrion's words into practice.
I love the way Ned greets Renly.. Ned was probably more of a brother to Renly than his real brothers..
I love lamp.
You've got to imagine that Ned probably hadn't seen Renly for a long time. Renly was probably still a boy or the age of one of Ned's sons upon their last meeting. Considering the last time Ned saw Rob, in the show, Rob hadn't even gotten fat.
The reason why Ned loves Renly is because in the books, Renly is the spitting image of Robert during his rebellion. And also, he's Robert's brother.
Notice the drop in quality when these scenes weren´t adapted from the books anymore
@@Priyo866 It's undeniable there is a drop in quality of story and dialogue since the books dropped off. It can be most season in the most recent season. It's not that we complain that the books are better, i've never read them. However even as just a casual viewer, there is just a clear decay of quality.
Should I have?
@@SivikTF You're 100% correct. I've also never read the books and I too can see the decline in quality. Still love the show though.
Never read the books either and it's clear the quality of the show has declined. If that's the reason then shame...shame...shame...shame...shame...shame....
@@SivikTF Season 5 had some great dialog besides dorn. So did 6. And a couple episodes of 7. The 1st episode. The 3rd. The one with Jamie and ollena. It's not all shit and it didn't all go downhill. I will say that s7e2 has the worst dialog I've ever seen in GOT. When the red woman meets denarys, Jesus christ. All the characters. So bad.
23:45. My favorite scene in all of thrones. Especially when tywin goes "the king is tired..."
Such a boss.
He's like bitch you did not.
I love how happy and honored Lord Tyrell is just to get ordered to get a paper and quill for Tywin. He struts over to get it with so much swag lolol
I love how Ned and Renly treat each other as family. Renly's like "Oh finally. The only man my dumb ass brother listens to is here".
One thing I think people miss when Joffrey says "my father won the real war, he killed rheagar, he took the crown, while you hid under casterly rock" is that he was actually right, tywin didn't declare for either side even when he already decided to side with Robert, sure he was mad that joffrey openly insulted him in front of others, but also I suspect he was also mad that joffrey was technically right
No he was pissed off because without him Joffrey's head would be on a spike. Stannis would have won the battle of Kings Landing. Also consider that Tywin has spent his entire life building up house Lannister from rich clowns to the most powerful house and eventually paved a way for Lannnisters to sit on Iron throne. His cruelty and saddism was never done for his own pleasure but to elevate his house higher, crush rebellions, bring other houses into fold. Which makes him terrifying and brilliant. While Jeoffrey is everything Tywin despises in people he is weak, stupid, coward and a sadist with no achievements, nothing but Lannister name to support him. Without his mother and grandfather he is nothing. Everybody who was sitting on that council knew that except for Jeoffrey.
He's also technically correct that his farther won the war, except it was a king that died not a prince.
Nah it was the right tactical move. Tywin wasn’t hiding, he was waiting for the right moment. Then sending Joffrey to bed wasn’t due to anger but to show everyone who is in control of the kingdoms
26:50 i like how everyone in the series recognize Barristan Selmy as an total badass, and one of the greatest warriors, even Tywin here acknowledges that it was stupid to dismiss such a amazing-legendary warrior from Kings Guard...shame they killed him off, so early in the series, probably cause Dumb and Dumber didnt know what to do with character like that...I never read the books, but after watching couple videos who analyse the books, he is alive and well, even the actor himself was confused that his character was killed of so early.....
In the books he is currently leading a sally out against the slavers that are besieging Mereen, he is hand of the queen and commander of Daenerys' armies. But we don't know yet if he survives the battle since it's about to begin.
Barristan is a different beast in the books
Jaime was too for that matter
Many of the knights were nerfed heavily in the show
Also like how Cerseis action like that is why Twyin says she's not as smart as she thinks she is
Imo Barristen Selmy should die similar to how Jorah Mormont died in the show. Defending his queen to his last breath
Charles Dance is one of the best actors in this whole series amazing delivery every single line.