iPhone 3D Scanning vs Professional 3D Scanner
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If it makes you feel any better, I value this video higher than the Tshirt cannon....
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Maybe just scan the T-shirt cannon. Then get that sweet, sweet user engagement.
Fax
Why does it have to be either or ?
The value of this video is immense. I will be watching this again for direction after some trial and error in my own garage with my iPhone.
This is exactly what a good TH-cam channel should be - delivering engaging, non clickbatey content about things viewers didn’t realise were interesting. Thanks Matt.
We might want to mention Matt's Magical "gift for gab":
Useful information infused with clever humor, including anecdotes and exaggerated visual cues, which aids
the viewers in being better informed about 3D scanner features (along with making purchasing decisions).
Yes folks, it's not "what you say"...it's "how you say it" that makes the difference for it to have any meaning.
Preposterous comparisons can be effective in audience recall; the lesson here centers around "in all practicality".
I work in one of those professional 3D scanner companies in an engineering position. You are the first hobbyist on TH-cam that I've seen who said "professional tools are obviously much better but probably not worth it for hobbyists", instead of the "iphone does the same or better, don't bother with professional 3D scanners" which seems to be the consensus. Thank you for being objective and actually taking the time and putting in the effort to form an educated opinion instead of spewing clickbaity garbage.
The shop I'm at got an EinScan for dirt cheap like 2500$ used. To be honest will never mess with a cheap scanner again. Mainly because the details are unmatched and the fact it can scan colors and even can pick up the masking marks from a paint job from 20 years ago.
How is it at scanning small parts? Might see if my work feel like treating me, I mean, investing in some totally necessary equipment.
@@hairyneil it's fantastic the smallest part We have scanned was about 2" in diameter. The scan came out amazing. In fact the Ein Scan we have was used to scan a person's face with precise accuracy. To give an idea it could do eyelashes with really good details.
How did your shop get one so cheap? Asking for a friend, because that's pretty awesome?
@@RC-fp1tl my boss bought it from a multi million dollar company who offered it to us because their company had just got the latest and greatest Ein Scanner. We do some machining and machine repair for them every so often so that's how they knew about us.
@@collynfalzitto6 That's quite a steal! good deal. There is no way those deals will come around again.
Happy New Year, Matt! Thanks for all your great content in 2021. Looking forward to another fun, exciting, dangerous year of your projects. All hail the algorithm!
One thing that can make your Revopoint work a *lot* better is getting one of those stabilized selfie-stick things. Once I started using one of those, I discovered that the quality of my scans improved dramatically.
A gimbal?
@@nicolask1901 yeah, basically. Thing that lets you do steadicam stuff with your camera.
Great tip, I've just ordered the 2nd one to replace my kinex 360.
A couple of things that I have considered doing when I get around to scanning something.
Make scale markers.
These are things that will show up in the scan that are of a precise known size, usually a small cube and a square frame you can place on or around the object.
Set up a frame of some sort around and over the object that you can use to steady your hand while scanning. The rafters in a garage might do the trick if you tie a line that you can hold with the scanning hand so you can pan in a stable arc.
Turn tables are a must.
I appreciate your content so very much. I find your videos so compelling, not because they are comedic genius but because they are so information dense. You give info how you got the info why you got the info make a quip that makes me chuckle repeat like 50 times and the video is less than 20 minutes long. Any other youtuber conveying as much info as you do would take 45 minutes and would need a part 2.
As always a great video. I love your storytelling with the simple cards with text for the sections in the video. The themed music for certain parts of the video is also amazing.
I like your projects! Never thought of using a scanner. But I KNEW you would present the subject well... so here I am.
Thank you for the review/comparison. These topics are hard to find and the tech is changing all the time, so, thanks for your time and experience!
The good thing is, people like you buying, using, and giving feedback on things like this,, are paving the road for future products to work better.
Well, we saw it. We saw the R1000RR engine and now we want the video ASAP. Can we call your new/old car a Bonda? :P
The BMW engine is not going in the Honda. The Honda is getting another Honda engine. It's in the video near the end sitting next to the BMW engine. What's the BMW going into? It's in next week's video! There's also a pretty big hint hidden in this video.
@@SuperfastMatt IS IT GOING INTO THAT SMART??? @6:43
@@SuperfastMatt I believe the BMW engine goes to the Smart. Am I right? looking forward to the next videos
@@igorschannel that would follow the pattern of keeping the brands the same as Smart is made by BMW last I checked.
I assume it's going into the tool chest, it's SO unfast to have to roll it around manually. Interested to see what kind of transmission you use to drive the casters.
Thats a good quality content, I've watched your video entirely without skipping stuff as I did for half of that t-shirt cannon you have mentioned in the end
First time a TH-cam video answers all my questions and questions I did not know I had. Great info.
SUPER Excited to see this content. ive been wanting to do this ever since I heard about the lidar tech
Happy New Year Matt 👍 Once again an interesting, informative piece about something I’ve not had experience of - thanks 😃
Thanks for the comparison. I've been passively interested in scanning kit car bodies and making form-fitting body panels and I learned quite a bit from your video. It's reassuring to know that I don't need a pro scanner for the kind of project I want to do.
Passively interested. That's an interesting and also precise phrase I'll try to remember and use sometime.
Somehow, you're already 3 steps ahead on everything I've attempted to understand. Thanks for the reassuring conclusion on the state of consumer 3D scanners, I was looking for the missing piece of the market for too long... It's looking like the Revopoint Pop 2 might bring the bar up a bit.
Happy New Year Matt thank you for last year looking forward to this year
The Pop 2 looks like a big improvement on the Pop although it looks like it still has issues with certain surfaces but it comes with stickers and you can use a temporary spray on covering to make scanning easier.
Just purchased this exact scanner for work. This video made me happy I did. Well done.
I look forward to seeing your video on CFD analysis!
What a great video. To the point, not a bunch of wasted time blabbing on and on lol. I wish all comparison videos were this efficient! All the knowledge right up front the whole time. Exactly what I was looking for. Nice work!
This is why I love your channel, this is exactly the kind of info I was wanting to know but don't have the resources to access. However, I guess that means I'll stick to using an iPhone for scanning since that's what I've got!
FWIW with some surface treatment (developer spray, baby powder, etc) and a decent SLR you can get more detail out of photogrammetry than most pro scanners. Dimensional accuracy depends on the quality of your scale reference but I get very accurate results when I compare caliper measurements to scan dimensions. The point here is to say, there are a lot of middle ground options between phone scan and pro scan tool. Quality becomes less of a differentiating factor and its more about how much effort and time it takes to get your scan result. Processing images in good software like reality capture (expensive) requires a decently powerful computer(also expensive) and a lot of time.
Having taken quite a wild ride attempting to use photogrammetry (meshroom and some other stuff) to do similar stuff to what you're talking about here, I can confirm it's a real rats nest and the part about scaling -- I've run into exactly that issue with it. I'm very happy you did this because of course I'm now targeted with tons of advertising from time to time -- these 3d scanner solutions and I've been dubious about pretty much all of them. Thanks for taking the time to share this -- love your videos man.
Awesome video comparing the pros and cons of the different scan solutions! Subscribed!
T-shirt cannons are for my kids to watch. I’ll watch you for real engineering. Thanks for pulling this together, it’s great to learn where the state of the art is with 3-D capture.
you'er video and information helped me out a bunch, you did not waist your time, i learned a lot in a short time, big thanks!
Searched a video like this for ever. Perfect, just perfect.
For what it's worth, I found this video 10x more fascinating than a t-shirt cannon. Have you put any thought/research into Kinect-based solutions? I know those have been around for a decade now and are likely very far from state-of-the-art but this seems like a problem that is 10% hardware 90% software/algorithm, and I'm curious how the Kinect's community solutions compare to commercial ones.
@@lesdmark Yeah the hardware has a focusing range for the structured light of maybe between 60cm and 5m, with the golden range being preferably far enough from these extremes. You can't even get it closer to the subject to get that much more detail in.
I use an Xbox One Kinect and tbqh its not much better than the Revopoint. The software is probably a bit better on the Kinect tho since it was made by Microsoft. That and Kinect 2s can be had for next to nothing used.
4:56 Put a few markers on the extremes of the object, then scale it in software after scanning. You can even average your multiple scaling references to get sub polygon accuracy.
yes! photogrammetry can be very precise.. he should have tested it.. :(
This just gave me an idea. Use stickers of known dimensions.
@@S_Roach just throw two rulers on different directions.. or a square, so you can scale X and Y easier..
Or print markers straight from reality capture. Make a “scale bar”.In ppi this would probably cost less than $5.
@@rodrigomartinelli741 I wouldn't trust the rulers to be come out without being garbled, me thinks the markers at certain points and manual measuring them would be best
I agree with your point about the scaling problem using photogrammetry but including a ruler in the images resolves this. Would love to see you do a video using meshroom or something similar just to see how it does.
Your first 3d scanner video is how i discovered your channel. If only the algorithm showed me earlier.
I was literally looking at financing a Peel 1 or 2 scanner, this has made me reconsider...THANK YOU!
Thanks, this totally lines up with my experience of using 3D scanners. Lately I've been trying to work with Meshroom for photogrammetry, and I think if they added good support for CCTags and accelerometer data it should be able to produce good scans with accurate dimensions. I wonder if there's better non-free photogrammetry software out there that would fill the gap...
Thanks so much for this great video! I was struggling to find concise info on 3D scanners and this answered all my questions in < 10 minutes :)
I'm totally with you on waiting it out on 3D scanning. You helped me a lot. One question I have though. I was considering the iPhone to do some scanning of interior rooms of my house. But you mentioned the Intel scanner. Would it work as well as the iPhone for my use? If so, isn't the Intel scanner cheaper than the iPhone?
i would love to see more this kind content!
I get the impression that most of this has to do with software. I was trying to use an Occipital Structure scanner (gen 1) a few years back to do interiors of houses for VR tours. The same scanner was more than capable of tracking details, objects, etc.... except when it wasn't (in bad software). Occipital are doing a great job of bringing this stuff to consumers.
Cool video, Matt. Thanks for putting it together!
"There will be like 8 people who watch this video", has 7.7K likes. Don't underestimate the combination of engineers, fabricators, and 3d printing geeks.
I was positively surprised when i 3d printed a Touch guard for an ABB RCD and just found the whole cad model (at least the outer shell) on their website free to download.
Made modelling around it much, much easier
Great Scanner review, I’m going to look into the remote monitor for the phone you use and the other “frotogrammetry” (I’m using that from now on) software. I noticed the lovely BMW motorcycle engine you were scanning, is that perhaps from my past recommendation to use for the car for the shaft drive?
Thanks so much for that video! Would you have a recommendation of which to use for a meal/plate to get an excellent scan please ?
I actually just used the creality CR-Scan 01 on my car. Sprayed it down with an iso/baby powder mix. It took a long time, but it did really well with the details, it even picked up some of the flaws in the paint.
Man this is a great topic. I have been wondering this for years.
You got a subscriber. Thanks for the video and info!
I think 3d scanning is really great, and it has alot of applications apart from engineering. its nice to see a comparison between different levels of the tech and if they can make the professional ones cheaper, then i might consider getting a scanner some day.
What a kickass way to perhaps tease the new engine for the Honda
Thanks for the video. Would your evaluation apply equally to scanning people or what's the best for that?
Dude your channel is the bomb-diggity, tanks for sharin. . .
Greatly appreciate the insight you’ve provided, thank you.
Glad to see this market overview and to see you've exceeded the 8 views you expected. Seems to me this might make for an interesting side gig. Start up costs under 10K and interesting work as well
Hey man, great videos! I'm a geomatics engineer with a masters degree in optical metrology, specializing in digital imaging systems. This topic is RIGHT in my wheel house! First, great summary, there's very little I would add in the broad strokes.
On the topic of photogrammety, I have mixed feelings. For your use case, its would be _possible_ to get sub-mm 3D models, but I doubt it would be worth your time. To do so, you would need a decent camera with a fixed focal length (i.e. at least a manual focus, no auto focus), you would need to calibrate the camera (it's possible to do that yourself, but it is very finicky, and easy to trick yourself you did a good job), and you would need to some kind of reliable scale reference. For us geos, we would probably use a total station to survey in a couple targets at the extreme extents of the measurement volume.
For better results you your scanners, you probably want more "registration features," which could be those white dots, but I personally have used ping ping balls with great success. They're light-weight, highly spherical, a consistent radius, and if you hit them with a bit of matte white, also have consistent illumination across their surface. You could probably hot glue, or even super-glue the on the surface of the engine for you models, then just knock them off when your done. Just be careful not to deform their shape when you glue them, neither through heat, chemistry nor pressure.
Also, **until you need to flip you engine over**, adding a nice checker-board pattern to your work bench would greatly improve your feature tracking, with no need for the ping pong balls. It's really important that during a scan, the subject (i.e. the engine) does not move relative to your registration targets (i.e. the check-board or the ping pong balls).
You could also put the two together, use the pattern on the bench to scan in each orientation, and use the ping pong balls to register each scan together after you flip it over.
Let me know if you have any quetsions. BTW, if you care to read it, I could link you my masters thesis, which features the ping pong balls in chapter 3
Ping pong balls sound quite large in diameter, how many would you use on an engine? Do you mean using just a few as "general reference points" to help with the tracking, with no use on the actual surface data?
@@HyperSculptor The answer, like all answers in engineering is "it depends". The purpose of the spherical targets in my example is to allow you to reliably register two or more different scans of your subject, even when the subject has otherwise changed orientation relative to its surroundings.
Put another way, the purpose of the white dots is mostly to help the scanner track its own position _during_ the scan, the purpose of the spherical targets (which could be ping pong balls, but could be other things) is to allow the user to reliably match the subject's surface _after_ the scans are done. The spherical targets would probably _also_ help the scanner track its own position, but that's not why I suggested them.
And yes, they would be a bit large, and obviously if your registration targets are blocking significant portions of your subject, that's a problem, but you do want them to be large enough that their surface measurements can be mapped to a sphere with reasonable precision and accuracy. Too small = not enough details = bad sphere model = bad registration.
@@HyperSculptor Oh also, if you're only using the ping pong balls to match subsequent scans, I'd say you want a minimum of 4 visible in every position you're scanning from. So if you're doing two scans, then you only need 4 as long as you make sure you can see them all in both scans.
@@Kruglord thanks for sharing your experience. I actually like the ping ping tek, am going to test it with photogrammetry and see if it helps the software. Anything optical is fascinating, my background is sculpting the human form in clay etc, then integrating digital tools years later. There are great optical techniques, some of them were already used thousands of years ago.
@@Kruglord I’m curious as to your opinion regarding using 3d printed cubes or similar items placed on the scan target. Obviously at bit more difficult to obtain than ping pong balls. Checkerboard table top seems to be a very good recommendation as well. Seems like a frame with a phone holder and skate wheels may be worth experimenting with too…
Epic stuff man, these the questions we need answered :P Thanks a bunch =) and to that, ill subscribe
This is Fantastic. The iPhone LiDAR Scanner is incredible!
Great video! I'm obviously one of the eight people who are very interested in 3D Scanners, but I am also just a tinkerer who doesn't want to pay 10.000 USD or more for a descent scanner. I made about two scans with my Revopoint with one of them being just about usable, but the part was so simple I could have just measured it with calipers and now the scanner is collecting dust. I hope there will be something available soon for around 1.000 USD, that would be great. Please let us know if you find a scanner in that price range.
A scanner that goes down on you.?
Decent, descent.
The structure scanner attaches to an iPad and costs like $300-$400 I think…it works extremely well
Not even 1000, 2000 would still be an acceptable price tbh
can 3d scanners be used to make gears for an electric motor? or is the resolution too low?
It's really weird to describe usd with a period instead of a comma
Awesome video, what model of iphone you said is?
Dang I was hoping the news would be better on this. If you can get away with modeling 1 face at a time what I do is take a picture with a ruler laying on the part you need a model of. Then in solidworks (and other CAD software too, Im sure) you can insert a picture into a sketch. After using the ruler to set the scale you can just trace the picture into the sketch. As long as the part isnt too big (or camera too close) to get perspective errors this works incredibly well. But isnt 3D 😔.
Very quick and simple for 2D sketches though!
Dude you have the best sense of humour! I crack up during every video! Also I learn a ton too! Thanks!
love your videos, highlight of my week
The software is what makes the difference in hand scanning, or using photogrammetry. Neither can ever replace the inherent precision of terrestrial lasers, however they can get close enough for many applications.
This was very helpful. Thank you.
Cool video! I had played with scanning about 10 years ago on Subaru rally cars. Boy all those head aches sound painfully familiar. We had a combo of faro arm data and attempts at scans. I never did get the models to a useable state. Ill have to try again with with some of these scanners you mentioned
Happy New year Matt! Will that information be useful? Maybe. Was that interesting to watch? Definitely.
sick burn on the tshirt canon!!
Great video. Which one would you recommend to scan your ear?
Interesting!!. Many thanks.
iPad’s Lidar are the same than IPhone ones? Have you tried?
I think 3D scanning on any phone and CAD experience is amazing this is truly good nie just to learn how to use it all
I use a regular camera and photogrammetry software, and my output is phenomenal and accurate af.
I use an app called EM3D with my iPhone. I’ve found the measurements it gives me are accurate. Then again I’m using it for clay sculptures and then retopologising to get a less dense mesh. Works for my needs.
I really wish there was an in between. There are a lot of things I've struggled with using iPhone scans and measuring for my Ecoboost swap. I could also convince some buddies to go in on it for their projects as well
Honestly, this sort of content is what I love! I use photogrammetry due to that price difference that you mention, and while the scaling is a big issue, it still worked fantastic for my purposes! I built an entire transmission tunnel and floor for a Nissan Pao to RWD swap in a 13B FC. It took quite awhile, and 3 scans that needed manually aligned. Though, all that effort worked out well once I cut out all 36 panels on a plasma CNC table and it all fit within a 1/10 of an inch in most spaces!
I think I remember a 13B Nissan Pao swap from probably Instagram. You have any media of the build? I’d love to see what was done
I used to have a Pao, that build sounds amazing!
I found out about Meshroom photogrammetry in the comments section on Matt's original scanning video and using a micro 4/3rds camera + prime lens I already had along with a ~$400 ring flash and polarizing film and built a very capable photogrammetry rig for my own wacky automotive project (ZX10R engine augmented Nissan Leaf) -- with the help of a dimensional target, scaling properly wasn't too hard. The bigger issue was the compute time -- my Dell laptop as much as 3 days per scan (400+ photos) to produce a model. The computer is a high performance piece of HW that shouldn't be discounted in photogrammetry costs. Camera + lens + flash $1000, computer $2k+
@@derekyoung4402 it might be worth trying reality capture, I've mucked around with meshroom and never got a result I was happy with but the same photos gave a much better result in reality capture. Just using my galaxy a8 with unknown lens properties
Great report. Love the humour. Cheers!
this is a great video. Thanks much. I am trying to scan older motorcycle tanks. Would you say that the Intel L515 would be ok? I am looking at upgrading to the latest iPhone, just for this, but frankly if the Intel will do, it's actually cheaper than an iPhone.
great video.. answered all my noob questions. ty!
Would like to see you try out the revopoint scanners out!
We professionally use the Arte Leo scanner.
Very expensive (out of the scope of what you mention in the video (garage work)
But gets the job done without problems. With a bit of experience, it never loses track of where you are, and even when it does it easily finds it back soon enough. In software later on you can manually stitch together parts of the same scan, but the "automatic stitching" of the software works so well that we never do it manually. Last but not least we never use markers, and we can even scan black surfaces.
Have a look online, borrow one (or ask for a demonstration). It worths the video -review if you have the chance.
Part of the audience that's there. Definitely a market for mid-priced scanner. Well done.
As a engineer that likes to wrench on cars myself, this is my favorite car channel on TH-cam!
Were you using the laser scanner from EinScan or structured light? You might get the resolution you are looking for with the higher end light based model vs the laser?. Idk just kind of trying to find out which you were using and if you had tried the other kind.
I'm not in the market for a 3d scanner. I am not sure why I am watching this video but here I am. Since I watched it, it was a good video, well paced and gets good information across with good visuals. well done.
Great video Matt
Obviously this item is the perfect candidate for a tool library, I have borrowed thermal cameras to detect thermal gaps in my house from my local library in Melbourne, Australia.
Thank you so much for this video what’s your opinion or anyones? Using the he LiDAR for real estate virtual tours??
Absolutely with you on the +/- 1000 buck scanner option . I often wonder why the price of good quality scanners hasn't dropped in recent years. Loved the vid Cheers
I sell Lavanti3D ProScan Scanners, new to the market and coming in cheaper and BETTER than Einscan Sturctured Light Scanners -dual fields of views and 3x the capture rate. Also comes with free software, none of that subscription stuff... They start at $7500 USD.
Scanners and 3D printers will go along so nicely :)
Thanks for the video - I've been having the same quandary. Mid way through an EV conversion I wish now I'd bought a professional grade scanner. I went with the old-school ruler + micrometer - but got plenty of stuff wrong.
From my research, one of the best value at the moment is Peel 3D CAD - which will export (some) features direct to CAD & has Solidworks integration (maybe others) built in. I'll consider it again for my next daft project (whatever it turns out to be).
PS. You don't have to use the super-expensive targets. I've used the little circles of paper from a hole punch stuck on with spit!
One advantage of using an actual digital camera is that you have a broad choice of lenses and the sensor is ***MUCH*** larger. I used CHDK on a Canon running a custom script to automatically create focus-stacked, exposure-bracked image sets for macro work. It would be trivial to add a rotating platform and Arduino control to the system so I could automatically take 360-degree image sets for use in photogrammetry/etc.
I've used Heges before, just to add and FYI, it also has ipad-via-wifi-to-remote-capabilities built in.
Thanks for making this video, very comprehensive, been here before and back then I was looking for a video like this but couldn't find it. Now I know I don't/do need to spend many bucks to buy a hardware scanner based on the project :)
Now if I just knew how to use a scanner and three D software.
And yes the cannon video was very cool!!
Thanks for the input.
Love this channel
Do you find the accuracy of the iphone good enough I could scan say a wheel well and get suspension pick up points, scan the upright, and import both to inventor or solidworks for designing custom arms etc?
Amazing video Matt! Whenever you'll be doing aerodynamic analysis of the Jag can you please make it a little more in depth because that's something i've been interested in doing with my 240 :) i know there's probably only 6 other people who are interested but i'd be very thankful :)
Have you tried Iphone+polycam?
I have been able to do well with hairspray/powdered sugar with my S20+(also has lidar). I did have to go back and manualy clean up the model and scale to refference points
Good content and review, thanks. All hail the algorithm!
I use the Occipital Structure sensor, which mounts to my iPad. It was $700-ish for the sensor. (I already had an iPad.) It's perfectly within the Goldilocks zone you were alluding to.
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