All-In-One 3D Scanner: Revopoint Miraco vs Einstar
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All reviews should be like this. To the point and honest even if that goes against the one you were sent to review. All hail
Hell yeah
All hail the algorithm
This is AvE-grade "nah it's kinda meh" review quality. Love it.
That's why we watch Matt, fools can follow whomever they like also.
All hail 😊
I kinda feel like he won't get anything anymore to "honestly review"
I shared this on the original einstar video, you can "tunnel" the USB device over your network so you can use a powerful computer in your office to handle the scanning workload while the laptop in the garage can be a low powered screen effectively. You need solid network performance to do it, but it works really well. remote desktop from the cheap laptop to the desktop so you can see that computer, setup the USB passthrough, then run the einstar software on the desktop.
Would love to learn more about this. Is it some sort of USB to Ethernet dongle sorcery?
Still a pain in the ass.
ok now i have to try that with my lizard, my laptop can scan well enough but my desktop is where it's at lol
@@alexej917 no extra hardware needed. You use a piece of software called VirtualHere USB Server, and virtualHere client. Server on the cheap laptop, client on the powerful computer. It passes the USB device over the network. Then you can remote desktop to the powerful computer to control the software from the cheap one.
@@alexej917 seconded - I'd also love to learn more about this!
I tested the Einstar and also bought the POP3. For small objects and details, the Einstar, with its cheap VCSEL projector that has low accuracy, cannot compare to POP 3. It struggles to scan small objects in detail and requires several attempts before successful modeling. On the other hand, the POP3 excels in this aspect, and I still have faith in MIRACO to scan a Bolt as they demonstrated live.
@@TechnoPioneers007 $199
The Einstar is not meant for small objects 😂
@@donkeyholmes4581i have a friend that has a miraco it scanned a smal dog figurine (3cm wide) with impressive accuracy.
Great video! I'm actually an antique restoration expert and part of the Miraco beta testing team. My job requires me to travel extensively and scan artifacts (such as sculptures) in various museums or tourist attractions. In such situations, it's impossible for me to carry an Einstar along with a high-end PC. Miraco's standalone design to scan both small and large perfectly solves my problem. If I don't choose Miraco, which similar product should I go for? Artec Leo? I want to, but I can't afford it.
Good job, Matt. Personally, I'm drawn to the all-in-one design of Miraco, which can handle both small and large scanning tasks. Would you consider doing another review on how the Einstar scanner performs when scanning small items like coins, bolts, or similar objects?
The Einstar was never designed to scan small objects like coins, bolts ... so of course it will be a bad review :~
@@jonnofowler5752 Really? In that case, I'd think Matt's review is a little bit one-sided. From Revopoint's ads, it seems that All-in-one is the biggest advantage of their Miraco, and being able to scan both large and small is the most they've advertised - which attracts me most. If the Einstar can't scan small items, then I think they are simply different things, at least, each with their own pros and cons. It's a pity that Matt didn't share these in such a great video.
I've used all of Revopoints's scanners since my early Kickstarter original POP except for this one. The scanners have all given me and thousands of other users excellent results over the course of the software development in the last 3 years. I have a couple of other scanners of another brand and one thing I've noticed is that they all act a little differently and require slight modifications to your scanning technique. So if you've been using a particular scanner for any length of time, especially a different brand, I think it'd be a little difficult to pick up one you have no experience with and be able to fully take advantage of its capabilities. You mentioned having a POP and feeling it was just a hobby toy; have you used the latest software and given it a chance to perform?
I've seen updates as often as twice in a month.@@TechnoPioneers007
They update their software fairly regularly, once a month maybe once every too months. It is so much better than it used to be@@TechnoPioneers007
When people buy a scanner, it's because they have a purpose for it and wish to use it NOW. Who wants to wait for 3 years for the software to get better? That's stupid. I purchased a Revopoint POP2 when they first came out because I needed a scanner, but the software was so poor at the time I was unable to achieve the goal I had. I then purchased an Einstar and it worked perfectly straight out of the box. The software was intuitive and worked far better on a bad day than Revopoint worked on its best day. I was able to achieve my scanning goal with the Einstar in a fraction of the time/stress/markers that the POP2 required. So ..... when you say "give it a chance to perform" you're really saying "hold it's hand because it can't stand up"
In my industry and scanning scenarios, it's challenging to rely on bulky PCs for scanning, especially when I often need to complete a scan rapidly. Before the introduction of the Miraco, the ARTEC LEO was the only equipment that met my requirements, but it came at a hefty price. The launch of miraco allows me to purchase a standalone product similar to LEO at hugely favorable price. I'm thrilled, and although there are some imperfections, I believe that Revopoint can enhance the scanning experience with continuous updates.
The Artec Leo weighs more than 2.5KG and still cannot scan tiny details. I hope that MIRACO can solve this problem.
There are other solutions to this I'm sure. You don't need to bring the bulky pc with you. You just need to connect to it from anywhere. I don't ultimately know how to do it but I'm sure it's possible. Remote desktop + some way to pass the usb signal
This all seems very intellectual but I have had and seen better performance in gaming laptops than in many PC's. I'm certain the right laptop can ace the data rate recording with miraco. Just as well as any wireless transfer to one of those bulky dinosaurs with a size matches performance stereotype. "Ain't no substitute for cubic inches boy!"
I'm outta this world that, there's finally an stand alone scanner that doesn't cost the same as car.
It’s not similar to the Leo in any way other than being stand alone
At my old work we used a high end Kreon 3D scanner - it was about USD$60k. And was attached to a big arm with transducers recording joint positions. It also had a CMM attachment at the scanner head, accurate to 0.05mm.
It really was accurate, but such a cumbersome beast that it was hard to use. I guess my point is that there’s no silver bullet, the really good scanners can be $$$ and have their own drawbacks!
I saw one of these in the late nineties. I don't know how much the scanner was, but it was hooked up to a 50k computer. As a layman 25 years later having access to similar technology for less than 1k is rather amazing.
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Aesub spray is pricey but worth checking out as it helps with detail - no need to wipe down your piece after as it sublimates
That's so cool, I never knew that existed
I wonder if instead of all those dots, maybe you could throw a grid top down with a projector. As long as you're not blocking out the grid while scanning. Bit of a pain but might be cool if you're always scanning big stuff in the same place.
That's a really interesting idea. I was thinking of something like masking tape with markings - you just lay it down on your surface, do your scan and pull it off, but I like the projector idea even more. The only thing is you'd need multiple projectors shining from different directions.
The IR laser pattern projector from many stereo depth cameras (like the intel realsense) may work well for that. Just securely mount the realsense above, use it to get some gross detail overview scans, and then use the handheld stuff for the fine details.
@@roboman2444 I think this will mess with the scanner, as it is doing the same thing, flashing out patterns in IR.
There was a projector system that did this for projector light mapping! It was very impressive.
@@ColinFoxI did something similar when I was scanning car body parts with various super cheap methods: cover the panel in painters’ tape, then add cheap letter stickers or draw a grid. In most cases the results were surprisingly good, to the point you could even see the wrinkles in the tape.
A simple comparison doesn't really capture it - Einstar and MIRACO are very different.
Einstar requires a high-end computer with an Nvidia graphics card, which costs at least $1000-1500 USD or even over $2000, and that's before you even bought the scanner. On the other hand, MIRACO is a stand-alone scanner, handling both scanning and post-processing. It's competitively
priced at around $800 USD.
Also, I've seen various reviews from TH-camrs and Revopoint's beta testers, and their experience with MIRACO's scanning process appears to be different from what you mentioned.
While I'm sure a high-end computer will help, the basic requirements can be found on a 500 dollar laptop.
Not to mention, Einstar requires a power outlet to operate, and that is not available for the places I want to scan
He mentioned that if you’re doing CAD you probably already have a computer capable of high performance graphics.
@@libertycommentatorokay? Buy the miraco then, the video is ment to inform and give matts experience, not force you to buy the one he likes for his workflow
I can my entire van interior with the einstar and a used $180 laptop. Don't believe the hype
Holy crap. A legit tool review that just tells it like it is. It's like I'm watching AvE or something. Thanks Matt.
Very impressive!
@@davidsteinhour5562 Project Farm reference? Nice.
Like AvE without the libertarian social commentary. I like it!
@@notanavrageloser hahaha bingo!!!
Compared to MIRACO, Einstar feels like a product from a previous era. Just give it a try, and you will see that Einstar completely fails to scan details.
I bought an Einstar last week on your recommendation (and I love it). I was going to cry if you found something better this week. Frankly, I'm glad you didn't. In just a week the Einstar has become the most useful tool in my toolbox.
que modelo adquiriste ?
As I tester I have to disagree, this is one of the best tracking scanners RP makes.. the version you have is also a beta version (off-set projector). The enistar is a great scanner but your meshing appears way too noisy. Looks to be one-click, this isn’t meant to for RE just a quick and dirty preview. The device has all those tools available.. I scanned a complete 302 engine block with far mode. Practice makes perfect.
Hi bro, can you be more specific about why you think this is "one of the best tracking scanners"? No defence, I finally went for the Miraco - I need to scan small things and want to know more real user experiences. Just don't want to make a wrong decision.
Would you recommend this scanner for a noobie? I mostly want to get detailed scans of smallish to medium items like firearms, electronics devices, etc. Small items but need high detail accuracy.
@@rodiculous9464yes I would recommend this scanners for new users, 1: Most new users (including myself years ago) buy a scanner outside of the intended scan range…. Example trying to scan a engine block with a Mini or trying to scan a small figurine with the Range. This will cover 98% of all use cases large and small. 2. Now if you are truly only scanning small items the blue light Mini scanners is still my absolute go to. The Miraco offers nearly exactly the same small details as the mini but usually IR vs Blue laser projection. Blue is king for absolute detail, but it is absorbed and very picky with certain materials, example black and red objects are nearly impossible to scan. Where the IR laser is able to reflect on those colors and more general universal for most scan surfaces. 3. 99% of users getting into scanner don’t really have the Computing hardware (PC) that is bleeding edge tech, with this being a all-in-on, RP will have no choice to really tune this sw to work with this build-in CPU. This is a good think. Think about it. They don’t have to make it work for 1000s of different configurations, only 2 the 16/32gb models. So it will work.
@@TechnoPioneers0071: Most new users (including myself years ago) buy a scanner outside of the intended scan range…. Example trying to scan a engine block with a Mini or trying to scan a small figurine with the Range. This will cover 98% of all use cases large and small. 2. This device has something even my LEO or HX doesn’t have, single shot. This is really clutch, for items that tracking is really hard and you don’t want to put tracking dots everywhere.. (even though, you can still do marker mode with SS). Let’s be honest, pretty much any scanner will track with markers.. it’s simple logic that pretty much Ignores the subject and only focuses on the minimal required dots per frame. All scanners have tracking limitations, mimic binoculars with your hands and look at the ceiling. Now walk around. Pretty confusing huh? That’s how scanners work. Now some manufacturers sorta cheat with tracking.. the FOV displayed maybe only 4x6 or 8x10 and your like wow this tracks great.. but in reality the true FOV the scanner sees is 24x48 so yeah it’s seen a lot more than the feedback displayed so “magically” it “tracks” better but take the same scanner to the floor and wall and watch the same issues happen on a $30k scanner or a $500 scanner. Because this horseblinde view is what they all work around. With the use of the single shot, you take the SW guessing out of the question and you simply “walk” in the tracking. As it required overlapping. So it either understands the assignment or not.. VS 16-18fps of hot mess. The build in gyro mui and have the scanner dead center really helps the user in data gathering was well. Believe it our not, it’s very easy to get disoriented scanning a larger item with a outstretched hand while looking at a laptop screen. Help that helps. forum.revopoint3d.com/t/samlilly2-revopoint-miraco-showcase-of-car-accessories/22309/3
I own a miraco but i find it worse then my friends einstar. The only things i found it better at was very small objects and being portable.
Thanks for making an honest review. This is about what I was expecting. Glad to see a confirmation of it
You just have to remember that this is still a beta version.
The most important thing about the current beta tests is to find hardware bugs.
And so far the hardware seems absolutely solid.
Of course, it is also important to find software bugs - but these are still to be fixed after the release.
So far the hardware of the Revopoint scanners has not disappointed me.
The current scanning software, from the first versions to the current one, has brought huge improvements in terms of features and processing speed. This has also increased my confidence in Revopoint.
Above all, it is important to remember that the einstar requires a very powerful computer and all Revopoint scanners run even on mobile phones.
In this video you compare a scanner that has been on the market for a long time with a beta version - and you also say that the tracking of the einstar is now much better than at the release - well, this happend to all Revopoint scanners sofar as well - i mean that they become mutch better over time.
Lol .... that's a ridiculous statement from start to finish. If I buy a scanner, I want it to work, work well and work NOW. What exactly is the point in buying a half-assed beta product that's full of bugs? If I need a good scan, I need it now .... not in 2 years time when it finally becomes decent. pffft
@@jonnofowler5752 The Scanner he testet is a BETA version - not the scanner you buy right now. Witch means that - if you buy the Scanner - you will get the Production unit. This is the reason for Beta testing - to get a more stable Production Unit. At the moment this Scanner is on Kickstarter - an I just can say that I was not let down from previous Revopoint KS and there Product - but that is just my experience.
It is perfectly legitimate if someone says that he wants to wait until the software has reached a certain level of stability and reliability - but then he will have to pay more..
the point is - if you compare a Beta model with a already out for x month Model you should take this in the conclusion.
do you really think the Einstar was released without Bugs?
If you are looking now for a Scanner that has proven quality - cause you need this now and you have all the requirements - then yes - go with the Einstar.
I don't say that the Einstar is a bad scanner - it depends on your requirements whether the Einstar or the Revopoint is more suitable for you.
@@jonnofowler5752 But I heard from my friend that the Einstar was not so good when it was launched. As for a Kickstarter project like Miraco, they can make adjustments to their software before the end of the project. Anyway, I spent more time on this today, and I think Revopoint's problem is that they shouldn't give beta samples to a TH-camr.
Love this review. Thanks for putting it together for us.
Great job on the video Matt! Thanks for making it.
It's nice to hear candid thoughtful reviews. Thank you.
I've found that Revopoint's scanners take to physical markers well. A pound or two of plasticine's in my box with the Mini I have. Pinching off little irregular blobs provides excellent tracking, and I think it cost me a buck or two for the brick of plasticine at the dollar store.
The reflective markers, I found that Revopoint's software doesn't need the given size of markers they provide. Their software detects a simple white dot + black ring around it as a reference dot. I've reflective 1x3mm dots, standard size 6x10mm ones, and I've even printed out random sized ones on white paper labels that detect.
Cleanup is a b***h with paper labels stuck to cars or car parts, but they work great to aid tracking even on "General mode" vs the actual Marker mode on the surrounding areas, like the blobs of plasticine. But I'm not spending a mint on special, specific sized reflective markers, which keeps consumables costs down.
Since I don't have more than the one scanner to toy with, I can't say if other brands also take to these tips as well, or not. YMMV.
It is DEFINITELY the case that the computer receiving the scan data, and the software make or break the usability of the scanner. The scanner hardware however: ... Revopoint still supports every scanner they make with their RevoScan software, which has brought a horde of gained usability to old models. My Mini was frankly, not much better than a toy with the software available when it shipped late last year. It's much more capable as software has matured. And the laptop upgrade, to use the new versions.
Matt, if you could, next time you do another 3D Scanning video, can you touch on the software experience with Einscan/Einstar vs Revopoint for all of us?
Have they been updating their software?
Do they continue to support all their models of scanners?
Have you noticed any improvements in performance or tracking with subsequent versions?
Have they upped their hardware requirements since you first owned it?
Since I only own the one, haven't access to another, I have no other reference, and would genuinely like to know.
Unfortunately you left out one major benefit tho. It can do smaller stuff which is something that einstar is terrible at. Also as mentioned the Einstar was much worse when it came out then now. So to be expected a beta unit will be improved. However. Tbh both trans scans were terrible which makes me wonder since I've gotten much better results with the Einstar and range then posted here. Also the miraco can be fully edited on the device and meshed
But you say the price is high but take into account the device is the same cost and don't need a 2k+ computer to get any adequate results. I wonder what laptop on battery vs miraco would look like tho.
" don't need a 2k+ computer" yes you do if you want to do reverse engineering afterwards, which is the usecase Matt was talking about here.
As for the small stuff I agree but again this was not the key point of the review.
@@GridPB processing an Einstar scan in a timely manner is much more difficult then running software to reverse engineer.
My einstar experience is the same as day one. Shining has very mature aoftware
Awesome review Matt!! Thanks! I definitely want the convenience factor, but I can wait for a mixed reality headset with everything built in, that's probably only a few years away
You just saved me a LOT of money. Thank you for your honest review.
I'd love a video on your Fusion 360 workflow when designing around your scans. I assume a lot of plane through three points and mesh section sketches, but I could be missing something. Learn Everything About Design's channel has been a helpful resource.
Can you link the video you mentioned?
Making for Motorsport does a decent one on that subject 👍
You can certainly reverse engineer to NURBS that way. I've found it's not beneficial to do the entire scan that way tho. Just some hard points you need.
@@Goatee_yay Agreed, there's lots of videos about reverse engineering, but not many around the workflow of designing off of and around mesh data.
@@LB0001 He has a number of videos, and full series that are of interest, here's an example: th-cam.com/video/nDWjLu4eiu4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zqF-oCqCxcaUESxc
Quick tip, if you're not able to do a Plane Through Three Points and select mesh data, go into direct edit mode for the mesh.
Matt,
I liked how in a previous episode how you had used powder on shiny surfaces to procure a higher quality rastered scan. I can certainly understand from the handheld aspect being able to single handedly move around an object is easier. As well as the laptop based hardware software performance would be vastly untouched by a handheld all in one scanner. A couple quick feature buttons on the scanner that you can assign from the software would be great as well, as such that you have mentioned: a 'revert mode, etc.
Love the tech episode! Cant wait to see what you make of your driveshafts in the next Viper video. As always, great dialog!
I was just as surprised as you are. Worked as an app engineer for multiple scanners. Face scanning is a super super popular use case.
I get a superfastMatt notification I click on it
Same.
And...... what happens at Matt's stays at Matt's 👍
All hail the algorithm
Man of culture
I see that comment, I thumbs it up
That screen on the back looks like it works so well
love this kind of review. thanks much
*me 6 hours ago* trying to find a direct comparison between these two scanners
*me now* oh, sweet, superfastmatt literally posted a video of exactly what I needed when I needed it.
Thanks
Oh wow an actual honest review I was not expecting that. Im impressed
Thank you for the honest review.
Thanks for this. I have a Revopoint Range that I haven't used yet but was thinking about the Miraco because it looked less cumbersome. Now I might be looking at the Einstar. 🙂
God damn i was just talking about getting a 3D scanner - and went through your videos. And now this video. Great now I have to get one.
I appreciate the honesty guy. It's refreshing.
Thanks for the great review.
thank you for this review,
Legit the best tech review of anything I've ever watched.
I would like to know how much the Einstar is being held back by the limited performance of the laptop. It would be interesting to see the upper limit of how good it is with a very good desktop workstation.
Thank. Helpful review.
This gives me hope that there might be a great quality, hobbyist level, scanner in the near future. Seems like the Miraco is better than prior RevoPoint products. Maybe in another 18 months they'll have the Miraco 2 that is as good as the Einstar in a perfect little package.
Great review! You Saved me a lot of headache!
It looks like a handheld Kinect - I worked on the RealSense product and it looks like that too.
Fun stuff! I was mad that they killed the Kinect so fast because it was super easy to spackle sample feature code right into live debuggers and exercise it - the amount of functionality in modern integrated sensor packages available to the general consumer now is kind of crazy. The Future Is Now.
(I was a technician for 25 years - kind of a tool junkie, because, tools make everything possible - thanks for covering this)
Forgot about the Kinect until you mentioned it... I bought one nearly 15 years ago, despite never having an Xbox, to try and do crude 3d scanning. Never got that far with it beyond SDK demos. Still have it packed away, with my other unused old tech.
These new scanners have WAY more resolution, but basically work the same way. The IR laser scanners would be quite like how the Kinnect was, and the only difference my Mini has, vs the Pop Matt showed, is that it uses a blue-light laser that's ... not eyeball/eyesight friendly.
Thanks for a honest review
I milled my own trans adapter. I took a technical drawing of the transmission and some hyper accurate measurements of the engine and a few pics and threw everything into fusion… took a week or so but I managed to design it and then another week to mill it on an mpcnc… s85 to g86 trans adapter, cut the face off the trans and welded it all together. It worked first try, I git incredibly lucky
I recently had to get a transmission adapter made and Matt's comment about neither scanner having the detail precision really put this all in perspective. I had to adapt a Mitsubishi diesel to a Renault transaxle, it wasn't fun, took forever and cost thousands. A proper 3d scanner would have seriously simplified the process.
Great review Matt.
I was a bit surprised to see an actual review, but in the end, you did right.
Thanks Matt, I just bought the Einstar last week and after seeing the Miraco announced I started having buyers remorse but I'm doing the same kinda stuff you are in regards to automotive applications. Looks like I went the best route. Just have to keep carrying the big Pelican case with all my computer and cords and stuff. Oh well...
I was considering this vs. the Einstar. Your review was perfectly timed.
All hail the algorithm.
Was really wondering when I'd see a review that didn't just hype up the Miraco, glad SOMEONE has the decency to point out it's flaws.
That's video i was looking for.
Interesting, thanks for posting this
Not only does the Einstar need windows, it actually needs Nvidia graphics as the heavy processing is done in Nvidias proprietary CUDA software. If that changes I'll probably spring for one but not ready to change my PC to work with a scanner.
Hey Matt. Love your work 👍
Wow, a review that's actually honest, and not just pumping up what you actually do like about the product.
Love this review.
Love the honesty!
Though a sequence of coincidences I got a couple of hours of instruction on how to use an Einstar (one of their older models) from an employee, and what he recommended for the best scans with the "dots" was first doing a low-resolution scan, and then discarding all of it but the dot locations and using those known locations as a starting point for a high-resolution scan. It did seem to make a significant difference in the surface quality of the scan. Might be worth a try to see if it's still useful for the current model?
As a product design students there are definitely uses for scanning faces but I suspect they generally use them because it's something people are very familiar with and expect a certain outcome.
It also supports a very common use-case: selecting spectacles for fit, function and aesthetics.
My new favourite channel 👍🏽🇬🇧
We have the bigger brother of the einstar at the university. It has color maping as an add on wich makes it pretty cool. The note about computer performance affecting tracking quality has been taken and i will relay it so maybe we will stop loosing tracking with it. The performance you demonstrate with your model prooves we are loosing a lot of performance with ours.
Thank you :)
Thank you for this review. I own the Revopoint mini and HATE its tracking. So much I often avoid using it as it's easier to use calipers in a lot of situations. Knowing this being years newer still has the same issues lets me know it likely isn't a worth while upgrade. Ironically I messaged support about the tracking issue and they suggested using the dots. Which in the failed scan you could clearly see a dot every quarter inch. which is a lot when the object is 8 inches in diameter. I still haven't taken the dots off because it's just as much a pain to remove as they are to add. and I've had better results just adding random shapes and squiggles with colored markers for tracking.
Super impressive to hear an honest review of a sponsored video. You knew that that particular company might not work with you again and you still uploaded it
Great review!
I think the most important thing to know out of the review was that Einstar is working on a Mac version. Instead of having to figure out a PC I'll just wait a bit and purchase the Einstar when the software is ready.
My takeaway from this review is that the latest cutting edge 3D scanners are still pretty far from being user friendly and reliable enough to be of much practical use for the masses. It's still a very niche thing with niche applications. Hopefully, in a few years, we will have 3D scanners and 3D printers that will allow us to really achieve that real life "copy paste" objective.
These arent cutting edge, these are consumer/prosumer products. The professional scanners are really good, but expensive as hell.
@@banaana1234This is true. However these are the cutting edge of consumer affordable products.
@@banaana1234 when the consumer variant is mediocre and still expensive but the professional version is extremely good but massively expensive then it is still very much a budding industry and thus, cutting edge. cutting edge doesnt necessarily mean "new", it means the industry/topic is still in the process of being discovered and optimized.
3D printing was around for decades, it was/is called additive manufacturing, but even now its still cutting edge tech that is rapidly improving. even the "plug and play it just works" 3D printers are far from perfect and are in fact NOT plug and play.
My work's got an Artec Leo, which is 50k USD for the scanner and a pretty significant price for the software... I scanned half a car with it and it has essentially no issues picking up surfaces with good resolution from a fair distance away, and it would only lose tracking if I pointed it away from the car. That's more what I'd call a cutting edge scanner, I think their youtube channel even has a video on how to use it to scan corpses for forensic investigations. The only negative is that I can't afford to replace it if I break it...
@@banaana1234 Can confirm. Used to be an optical metrologist for a company that builds private jets and we used a Leica laser tracker that had a laser scanner attachment. I think it runs around 500k normally. Thing was nuts, but the problems you see on these consumer grade scanners are also a problem on the expensive ones. They just tend to be better at telling you when its having issues, and have ways to work around problems with scanning (setting base points with a retroreflective marker which everything else is referenced to)
I think this was the best review I've ever seen!
Thanks to you I will make the right choice.
nice honest review
The instrument you need is the Metrascan 3D. i know, it costs a lot.. but you can find used ones, it has huge scan volume, high accuracy and it is good on every surface
Just a tip, I found myself in the situation of need/want a 3d Scanner, and even paid for an "Early release" that never did (thankfully no money was lost). But then found the greatest solution of them all... Photogrametry, I used RealityCapture, and found that I get all the detail that I want for any size of models (cars, toys, heck if you have a drone, or a huge pole with a camera attached, you could scan your whole block if you want). And they charge for the amount of data to process, so its a couple dollars a scan, and it even captures textures all in one go so no "lost track of the object", model too big for tiny processor to handle, my resolution is crap because so are my cameras, you need to coat them in $60 dollar spray otherwise ill get ansiety... Needless to say I will never need a scanner.
I would love to see you do a double bubble carbon fiber top for the Honda. If you can make it seal well and you can work our most of the bugs in the driveline, it would be really cool on the power tour. You could do a lot of videos related to it. Keep up the great work!
Thanks! 👍💪✌
Somehow, like 15 minutes ago I jsut got this feeling that Matt had posted, I think I have developed a subconscious biological clock for his uploads
Hahahah
Thank you for that review. Chapters would have made it even more useful, but this was valuable. May I politely remind you when doing reviews, that some viewers will not be familiar with either product, so it is useful to recap how they handle things such as surface colour, transfer to a computer, software, etc.
Very informative!
It's great living in the future like this, and these are all good problems to have. I used a laser scanner at Kodak 30 years ago, the target had to fit on the sled, the scanning head was on a long screw drive and would move about an inch a minute past the target, once the face of the target had been captured, the head would trigger the platform to rotate, and the sled would swipe left and right until finally 360 degrees was achieved. If you wanted the base plate of the target, like the bottom of an engine or whatever, you had to pause the scan, manually lay the target over, and the scanner would attempt to make sense of the points, attempt to line them up, and attempt to paste them together. It output autocad files, and had seriously high resolution, but took a solid 24 hours to scan anything in detail. I tried to use it to scan the back of a 1295 A series engine off a Sprite to create an adapter for a Datsun 5 speed transmission, and wow, what a pain in the ass. Took days to get it right, and in the end, the machine shop guy literally ignored the data, and traced the engine on paper, traced the transmission on paper, and manually created the adapter plate, in like an hour. The 1996 version of Send Cut Send, I guess.
This is one of the better videos on this device. Could you do another comparison video with more details on a medium and/or small items like the xbox controller you showed.
hell yeah best review of any tech product i’ve seen in a while. love the lack of hype
Excellent review and well explained.
And "All hail the algorithm!"
Very good honest review. I guess the only main advantage is it is portable, so useful for scanning public places.
Have an Artec Leo at work, a $35k scanner. It ranges from great on some objects to ok-ish on others.
On those objects it performs great on, I imagine even the Miraco would give good enough results
Seldom left a comment, but it's just a an honest review which every audience is expecting, great thx~
oh look an honest review!
Saved me from wasting money. Thanks for the honest review
I've been recently looking at the Miraco for scanning objects and especially objects outside; although in some cases I'd have to place dots all over the object but I won't have to remove them 😂And I'm impressed as I can just carry it around. Although there pricing I agree with seems like some BLOW OUT sale you see in a store window.
I guess the point is most of the scanners have their use cases and the key is knowing what each one can do so you can determine if it fits your actual needs rather than looking at "marketing promises" that don't always line up with reality.
Solid review and super transparent. All hail the algorithm.
Great review Matt… saves me having to do one! 😂
I’ve got the Pop3 and Range to evaluate, and seeing as they both run off Phones I’m not sure if this “all in one” is really that unique..?
Not unique, but they have controlled hardware that's not running all the background processes phones would have also going on.
I found the RS5+Android scanning with my Mini was better, even though it was going over wifi, than the original setup when it first arrived: RS4 on an older laptop over USB 3.0.
Current builds of RS5, with a newer laptop, again, using USB 3.0 has a higher FPS and far FAR better tracking than the Android phone.
I really think the 3d scanners they make, even the prior models, aren't limited on the 3d scanner hardware side. Limiting factors are ALL on the receiving side:
- Receiving computer's CPU, and especially the GPU
- data throughput (wifi/USB)
- how capable the software is at harnessing the hardware, and the hordes of data the scanner is sending.
What a fantastic review. Right into the meat and potatoes. No stupid fluff
I love your 3d scanner reviews so much cause your use case is close to mine, I know you won't make ahit up to make it sound better, you actually use the results for work and you care to learn the product just the right amount to find common gotchas and annoyances
would be nice to compare a einscan pro hd or pro 2x or einscan h with the einstar cause they are kind of affordable too when used 2.5-4k
Now I want to see you do the hotwheels experiment.
Revopoint is never sending you another free scanner.
But they will be sending a return shipping label 😁
They might send a future model, hoping to prove that it is better and counteract the negative review.
@brianb-p6586 Yeah, that's what I was thinking. They got an honest review, and if they are a credible company, they will work to improve their product. If they are not afraid of honesty, they will send him another one to review. If the next one is amazing, I have no doubt Matt would rave about it.
If they have any integrity as a business, they’ll appreciate the honest feedback, and make improvements going forward - and send him future revisions.
It's not THAT bad of a review though? Yes, the currently inherent downsides to having a fully handheld solution still outweigh the upsides, if you want to use it like Matt does, but for what it is, it's still impressive imho. So they absolutely should send another one when they have made some improvements 😅
It would be really cool if the scanning software could outsource the computation over the network. Einstar + small laptop on battery (or even a raspi or android tablet), while your beefy desktop upstairs does all the processing.
The Miraco is probably computation limited. Being able to outsource the computation to a better machine may significantly help it out.
You can do this. You can tunnel the USB device to another computer on your network, then use remote desktop to view that other computer and operate the software. I do it all the time with my einstar.
A virtualhere server works incredibly well for this
@@Sethmcfad That's exactly the software I use and tell people to use.
Great review, straight, simple. Wish the product was better tho.
Mr. Matt, informative and entertaining as always. From someone with zero experience, and not much more knowledge, is there a place to use white string (the sort that you used to tie up a Chicken before roasting) along the top of the windscreen, along the Apex of the roll bars, and along the tops of the door frames? Maybe even making a simple matrix over the roof?
Thanks :)
Thank you so much for this review. I will stick to my Einstar!
I'm never going to buy a 3D scanner. Great video thanks! Don't know how you make everything so entertaining!