I shared this on the original einstar video, you can "tunnel" the USB device over your network so you can use a powerful computer in your office to handle the scanning workload while the laptop in the garage can be a low powered screen effectively. You need solid network performance to do it, but it works really well. remote desktop from the cheap laptop to the desktop so you can see that computer, setup the USB passthrough, then run the einstar software on the desktop.
@@alexej917 no extra hardware needed. You use a piece of software called VirtualHere USB Server, and virtualHere client. Server on the cheap laptop, client on the powerful computer. It passes the USB device over the network. Then you can remote desktop to the powerful computer to control the software from the cheap one.
I bought an Einstar last week on your recommendation (and I love it). I was going to cry if you found something better this week. Frankly, I'm glad you didn't. In just a week the Einstar has become the most useful tool in my toolbox.
Good job, Matt. Personally, I'm drawn to the all-in-one design of Miraco, which can handle both small and large scanning tasks. Would you consider doing another review on how the Einstar scanner performs when scanning small items like coins, bolts, or similar objects?
@@jonnofowler5752 Really? In that case, I'd think Matt's review is a little bit one-sided. From Revopoint's ads, it seems that All-in-one is the biggest advantage of their Miraco, and being able to scan both large and small is the most they've advertised - which attracts me most. If the Einstar can't scan small items, then I think they are simply different things, at least, each with their own pros and cons. It's a pity that Matt didn't share these in such a great video.
I've found that Revopoint's scanners take to physical markers well. A pound or two of plasticine's in my box with the Mini I have. Pinching off little irregular blobs provides excellent tracking, and I think it cost me a buck or two for the brick of plasticine at the dollar store. The reflective markers, I found that Revopoint's software doesn't need the given size of markers they provide. Their software detects a simple white dot + black ring around it as a reference dot. I've reflective 1x3mm dots, standard size 6x10mm ones, and I've even printed out random sized ones on white paper labels that detect. Cleanup is a b***h with paper labels stuck to cars or car parts, but they work great to aid tracking even on "General mode" vs the actual Marker mode on the surrounding areas, like the blobs of plasticine. But I'm not spending a mint on special, specific sized reflective markers, which keeps consumables costs down. Since I don't have more than the one scanner to toy with, I can't say if other brands also take to these tips as well, or not. YMMV. It is DEFINITELY the case that the computer receiving the scan data, and the software make or break the usability of the scanner. The scanner hardware however: ... Revopoint still supports every scanner they make with their RevoScan software, which has brought a horde of gained usability to old models. My Mini was frankly, not much better than a toy with the software available when it shipped late last year. It's much more capable as software has matured. And the laptop upgrade, to use the new versions. Matt, if you could, next time you do another 3D Scanning video, can you touch on the software experience with Einscan/Einstar vs Revopoint for all of us? Have they been updating their software? Do they continue to support all their models of scanners? Have you noticed any improvements in performance or tracking with subsequent versions? Have they upped their hardware requirements since you first owned it? Since I only own the one, haven't access to another, I have no other reference, and would genuinely like to know.
I wonder if instead of all those dots, maybe you could throw a grid top down with a projector. As long as you're not blocking out the grid while scanning. Bit of a pain but might be cool if you're always scanning big stuff in the same place.
That's a really interesting idea. I was thinking of something like masking tape with markings - you just lay it down on your surface, do your scan and pull it off, but I like the projector idea even more. The only thing is you'd need multiple projectors shining from different directions.
The IR laser pattern projector from many stereo depth cameras (like the intel realsense) may work well for that. Just securely mount the realsense above, use it to get some gross detail overview scans, and then use the handheld stuff for the fine details.
@@ColinFoxI did something similar when I was scanning car body parts with various super cheap methods: cover the panel in painters’ tape, then add cheap letter stickers or draw a grid. In most cases the results were surprisingly good, to the point you could even see the wrinkles in the tape.
I milled my own trans adapter. I took a technical drawing of the transmission and some hyper accurate measurements of the engine and a few pics and threw everything into fusion… took a week or so but I managed to design it and then another week to mill it on an mpcnc… s85 to g86 trans adapter, cut the face off the trans and welded it all together. It worked first try, I git incredibly lucky
At my old work we used a high end Kreon 3D scanner - it was about USD$60k. And was attached to a big arm with transducers recording joint positions. It also had a CMM attachment at the scanner head, accurate to 0.05mm. It really was accurate, but such a cumbersome beast that it was hard to use. I guess my point is that there’s no silver bullet, the really good scanners can be $$$ and have their own drawbacks!
I saw one of these in the late nineties. I don't know how much the scanner was, but it was hooked up to a 50k computer. As a layman 25 years later having access to similar technology for less than 1k is rather amazing. L
Compared to MIRACO, Einstar feels like a product from a previous era. Just give it a try, and you will see that Einstar completely fails to scan details.
Great video! I'm actually an antique restoration expert and part of the Miraco beta testing team. My job requires me to travel extensively and scan artifacts (such as sculptures) in various museums or tourist attractions. In such situations, it's impossible for me to carry an Einstar along with a high-end PC. Miraco's standalone design to scan both small and large perfectly solves my problem. If I don't choose Miraco, which similar product should I go for? Artec Leo? I want to, but I can't afford it.
In my industry and scanning scenarios, it's challenging to rely on bulky PCs for scanning, especially when I often need to complete a scan rapidly. Before the introduction of the Miraco, the ARTEC LEO was the only equipment that met my requirements, but it came at a hefty price. The launch of miraco allows me to purchase a standalone product similar to LEO at hugely favorable price. I'm thrilled, and although there are some imperfections, I believe that Revopoint can enhance the scanning experience with continuous updates.
There are other solutions to this I'm sure. You don't need to bring the bulky pc with you. You just need to connect to it from anywhere. I don't ultimately know how to do it but I'm sure it's possible. Remote desktop + some way to pass the usb signal
This all seems very intellectual but I have had and seen better performance in gaming laptops than in many PC's. I'm certain the right laptop can ace the data rate recording with miraco. Just as well as any wireless transfer to one of those bulky dinosaurs with a size matches performance stereotype. "Ain't no substitute for cubic inches boy!"
I recently had to get a transmission adapter made and Matt's comment about neither scanner having the detail precision really put this all in perspective. I had to adapt a Mitsubishi diesel to a Renault transaxle, it wasn't fun, took forever and cost thousands. A proper 3d scanner would have seriously simplified the process.
Awesome review Matt!! Thanks! I definitely want the convenience factor, but I can wait for a mixed reality headset with everything built in, that's probably only a few years away
Just a tip, I found myself in the situation of need/want a 3d Scanner, and even paid for an "Early release" that never did (thankfully no money was lost). But then found the greatest solution of them all... Photogrametry, I used RealityCapture, and found that I get all the detail that I want for any size of models (cars, toys, heck if you have a drone, or a huge pole with a camera attached, you could scan your whole block if you want). And they charge for the amount of data to process, so its a couple dollars a scan, and it even captures textures all in one go so no "lost track of the object", model too big for tiny processor to handle, my resolution is crap because so are my cameras, you need to coat them in $60 dollar spray otherwise ill get ansiety... Needless to say I will never need a scanner.
Matt, I liked how in a previous episode how you had used powder on shiny surfaces to procure a higher quality rastered scan. I can certainly understand from the handheld aspect being able to single handedly move around an object is easier. As well as the laptop based hardware software performance would be vastly untouched by a handheld all in one scanner. A couple quick feature buttons on the scanner that you can assign from the software would be great as well, as such that you have mentioned: a 'revert mode, etc. Love the tech episode! Cant wait to see what you make of your driveshafts in the next Viper video. As always, great dialog!
I tested the Einstar and also bought the POP3. For small objects and details, the Einstar, with its cheap VCSEL projector that has low accuracy, cannot compare to POP 3. It struggles to scan small objects in detail and requires several attempts before successful modeling. On the other hand, the POP3 excels in this aspect, and I still have faith in MIRACO to scan a Bolt as they demonstrated live.
It looks like a handheld Kinect - I worked on the RealSense product and it looks like that too. Fun stuff! I was mad that they killed the Kinect so fast because it was super easy to spackle sample feature code right into live debuggers and exercise it - the amount of functionality in modern integrated sensor packages available to the general consumer now is kind of crazy. The Future Is Now. (I was a technician for 25 years - kind of a tool junkie, because, tools make everything possible - thanks for covering this)
Forgot about the Kinect until you mentioned it... I bought one nearly 15 years ago, despite never having an Xbox, to try and do crude 3d scanning. Never got that far with it beyond SDK demos. Still have it packed away, with my other unused old tech. These new scanners have WAY more resolution, but basically work the same way. The IR laser scanners would be quite like how the Kinnect was, and the only difference my Mini has, vs the Pop Matt showed, is that it uses a blue-light laser that's ... not eyeball/eyesight friendly.
I'd love a video on your Fusion 360 workflow when designing around your scans. I assume a lot of plane through three points and mesh section sketches, but I could be missing something. Learn Everything About Design's channel has been a helpful resource.
You can certainly reverse engineer to NURBS that way. I've found it's not beneficial to do the entire scan that way tho. Just some hard points you need.
@@LB0001 He has a number of videos, and full series that are of interest, here's an example: th-cam.com/video/nDWjLu4eiu4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zqF-oCqCxcaUESxc Quick tip, if you're not able to do a Plane Through Three Points and select mesh data, go into direct edit mode for the mesh.
I've used all of Revopoints's scanners since my early Kickstarter original POP except for this one. The scanners have all given me and thousands of other users excellent results over the course of the software development in the last 3 years. I have a couple of other scanners of another brand and one thing I've noticed is that they all act a little differently and require slight modifications to your scanning technique. So if you've been using a particular scanner for any length of time, especially a different brand, I think it'd be a little difficult to pick up one you have no experience with and be able to fully take advantage of its capabilities. You mentioned having a POP and feeling it was just a hobby toy; have you used the latest software and given it a chance to perform?
When people buy a scanner, it's because they have a purpose for it and wish to use it NOW. Who wants to wait for 3 years for the software to get better? That's stupid. I purchased a Revopoint POP2 when they first came out because I needed a scanner, but the software was so poor at the time I was unable to achieve the goal I had. I then purchased an Einstar and it worked perfectly straight out of the box. The software was intuitive and worked far better on a bad day than Revopoint worked on its best day. I was able to achieve my scanning goal with the Einstar in a fraction of the time/stress/markers that the POP2 required. So ..... when you say "give it a chance to perform" you're really saying "hold it's hand because it can't stand up"
This gives me hope that there might be a great quality, hobbyist level, scanner in the near future. Seems like the Miraco is better than prior RevoPoint products. Maybe in another 18 months they'll have the Miraco 2 that is as good as the Einstar in a perfect little package.
*me 6 hours ago* trying to find a direct comparison between these two scanners *me now* oh, sweet, superfastmatt literally posted a video of exactly what I needed when I needed it. Thanks
Super impressive to hear an honest review of a sponsored video. You knew that that particular company might not work with you again and you still uploaded it
As a product design students there are definitely uses for scanning faces but I suspect they generally use them because it's something people are very familiar with and expect a certain outcome.
I would like to know how much the Einstar is being held back by the limited performance of the laptop. It would be interesting to see the upper limit of how good it is with a very good desktop workstation.
Though a sequence of coincidences I got a couple of hours of instruction on how to use an Einstar (one of their older models) from an employee, and what he recommended for the best scans with the "dots" was first doing a low-resolution scan, and then discarding all of it but the dot locations and using those known locations as a starting point for a high-resolution scan. It did seem to make a significant difference in the surface quality of the scan. Might be worth a try to see if it's still useful for the current model?
Thanks Matt, I just bought the Einstar last week and after seeing the Miraco announced I started having buyers remorse but I'm doing the same kinda stuff you are in regards to automotive applications. Looks like I went the best route. Just have to keep carrying the big Pelican case with all my computer and cords and stuff. Oh well...
We have the bigger brother of the einstar at the university. It has color maping as an add on wich makes it pretty cool. The note about computer performance affecting tracking quality has been taken and i will relay it so maybe we will stop loosing tracking with it. The performance you demonstrate with your model prooves we are loosing a lot of performance with ours. Thank you :)
Man you just made my night. The campaign ended last night and in the eleventh hour I canceled it because of my fear of it being just like the pop scanner... I was regretting canceling the pledge till I saw this. Thank you for the amazing review. Revo makes some cool stuff, just not something I'd use based off of what you're saying. Thanks for saving me 1200 bucks!
It's great living in the future like this, and these are all good problems to have. I used a laser scanner at Kodak 30 years ago, the target had to fit on the sled, the scanning head was on a long screw drive and would move about an inch a minute past the target, once the face of the target had been captured, the head would trigger the platform to rotate, and the sled would swipe left and right until finally 360 degrees was achieved. If you wanted the base plate of the target, like the bottom of an engine or whatever, you had to pause the scan, manually lay the target over, and the scanner would attempt to make sense of the points, attempt to line them up, and attempt to paste them together. It output autocad files, and had seriously high resolution, but took a solid 24 hours to scan anything in detail. I tried to use it to scan the back of a 1295 A series engine off a Sprite to create an adapter for a Datsun 5 speed transmission, and wow, what a pain in the ass. Took days to get it right, and in the end, the machine shop guy literally ignored the data, and traced the engine on paper, traced the transmission on paper, and manually created the adapter plate, in like an hour. The 1996 version of Send Cut Send, I guess.
I got one of these to make mini figures of my family. First scan not so great. My daughter had her first seizure. The frequency of the light pulses when using the texture scan mode are not good if you have any risk. It is also stated in the warnings but this is the first time this has happened. 15yo girl no history.
Thank you for this review. I own the Revopoint mini and HATE its tracking. So much I often avoid using it as it's easier to use calipers in a lot of situations. Knowing this being years newer still has the same issues lets me know it likely isn't a worth while upgrade. Ironically I messaged support about the tracking issue and they suggested using the dots. Which in the failed scan you could clearly see a dot every quarter inch. which is a lot when the object is 8 inches in diameter. I still haven't taken the dots off because it's just as much a pain to remove as they are to add. and I've had better results just adding random shapes and squiggles with colored markers for tracking.
Not only does the Einstar need windows, it actually needs Nvidia graphics as the heavy processing is done in Nvidias proprietary CUDA software. If that changes I'll probably spring for one but not ready to change my PC to work with a scanner.
The screen flip is super handy when you're scanning at waste level while walking around or if you're putting it on a tripod and scanning an object on a table. You CAN connect the scanner to a computer and run the Revopoint software. It works well enough. There are some features you get from scanning with it including faster model render times etc. For scanning metallic or flat black objects, use Tinactin "goes on dry" foot spray. Works better than the scanning spray the Miraco Pro ships with. Also, I got NOTICEABLY better results when I attached an LED panel (for cameras / video / streaming etc) to the Miraco. It had a seriously positive effect. It eliminated 98% of tracking loss and gave me much more coherent / complete point clouds.
It would be really cool if the scanning software could outsource the computation over the network. Einstar + small laptop on battery (or even a raspi or android tablet), while your beefy desktop upstairs does all the processing. The Miraco is probably computation limited. Being able to outsource the computation to a better machine may significantly help it out.
You can do this. You can tunnel the USB device to another computer on your network, then use remote desktop to view that other computer and operate the software. I do it all the time with my einstar.
Great review! I think the most important thing to know out of the review was that Einstar is working on a Mac version. Instead of having to figure out a PC I'll just wait a bit and purchase the Einstar when the software is ready.
Thanks for this. I have a Revopoint Range that I haven't used yet but was thinking about the Miraco because it looked less cumbersome. Now I might be looking at the Einstar. 🙂
The instrument you need is the Metrascan 3D. i know, it costs a lot.. but you can find used ones, it has huge scan volume, high accuracy and it is good on every surface
I love your 3d scanner reviews so much cause your use case is close to mine, I know you won't make ahit up to make it sound better, you actually use the results for work and you care to learn the product just the right amount to find common gotchas and annoyances
Thank you for that review. Chapters would have made it even more useful, but this was valuable. May I politely remind you when doing reviews, that some viewers will not be familiar with either product, so it is useful to recap how they handle things such as surface colour, transfer to a computer, software, etc.
Could you do a "working with composites" video? Fiberglass, carbon fiber. Maybe some simple fender flares, body for your land speed vehicle, or even that hardtop you were talking about.
Hi Matt, I’m a professional 3D scanner. I’ve had a ton of experience with a Peel 3d scanner and I was impressed with the accuracy I could get out of it. The parts would be accurate to a couple thousands of an inch, along with the best software package I’ve seen.
Thanks for the info! It's pretty far out of my price range, and i suspect most hobbyists. Hopefully they can come up with a low cost version in the future.
Unfortunately you left out one major benefit tho. It can do smaller stuff which is something that einstar is terrible at. Also as mentioned the Einstar was much worse when it came out then now. So to be expected a beta unit will be improved. However. Tbh both trans scans were terrible which makes me wonder since I've gotten much better results with the Einstar and range then posted here. Also the miraco can be fully edited on the device and meshed But you say the price is high but take into account the device is the same cost and don't need a 2k+ computer to get any adequate results. I wonder what laptop on battery vs miraco would look like tho.
" don't need a 2k+ computer" yes you do if you want to do reverse engineering afterwards, which is the usecase Matt was talking about here. As for the small stuff I agree but again this was not the key point of the review.
I would love to see you do a double bubble carbon fiber top for the Honda. If you can make it seal well and you can work our most of the bugs in the driveline, it would be really cool on the power tour. You could do a lot of videos related to it. Keep up the great work!
I always assumed that the software would have some version of loop closing in case both ends of the scan do not line up. It always increases the overall accuracy of the scan and makes the output much, much easier to work.
Sort of - but 'loop closing' sounds a bit like software bending the twisted scan arbitrarily to force the ends to join back up, might introduce all sorts of extra inaccuracy, or give a false illusion of accuracy -whereas as frustrating as it may be, if you keep repeating scans that drift, maybe adding items in to help lock until eventually you nail it and the ends mesh up nicely, at least you can trust the output to be pretty accurate?
@@edumaker-alexgibson You're right, that's just postprocessing of inaccurate data, but when you have scan with multiple passes from point A to B (imagine car being additionally scanned from top and bottom) the loop closing can average the error giving better accuracy. It's a common approach to generate entire "graphs of loops" just to average all the errors.
@@Krawacik3d Yes - as long as the software is actively seeking to identify and throw out misaligned data, and fill the gap with good data, you could keep going around the car and the accuracy would keep getting better. I would distrust any sort of 'postprocess' but in real time, different story.
Have an Artec Leo at work, a $35k scanner. It ranges from great on some objects to ok-ish on others. On those objects it performs great on, I imagine even the Miraco would give good enough results
Thanks for the honest review. I have friends telling me they are getting one of these things, and telling me that I need to get on board... Based on your previous videos I was like "no thanks, too soon". I think it's sad that these companies are selling the idea of these products as something that they are not... I believe that this will only slow the progress of this tech. Like, in 10 years two things will happen. 1. They will finally make a version of this that is as good as they say it is today 2. They will have lied about it for 15 years and the word will finally get out that they aren't any good.
instead of white powder for more accurate scans, have you tried one of thouse rinsing foam spray cans? the type you use to clean car interiors and such. its mostly alcohol with a drop of soap. most of it will evaporate
A simple comparison doesn't really capture it - Einstar and MIRACO are very different. Einstar requires a high-end computer with an Nvidia graphics card, which costs at least $1000-1500 USD or even over $2000, and that's before you even bought the scanner. On the other hand, MIRACO is a stand-alone scanner, handling both scanning and post-processing. It's competitively priced at around $800 USD. Also, I've seen various reviews from TH-camrs and Revopoint's beta testers, and their experience with MIRACO's scanning process appears to be different from what you mentioned.
@@libertycommentatorokay? Buy the miraco then, the video is ment to inform and give matts experience, not force you to buy the one he likes for his workflow
7:05 - The results for both looked pretty jagged there. Did you try to switch the Miraco into it's "near mode" to try and capture these details a little better, like the POP would?
There has to be a grease pencile or something of the like out there that is easily cleand off that can be used to mark a surface for scanning. As opposed to those stupid dots.
You just have to remember that this is still a beta version. The most important thing about the current beta tests is to find hardware bugs. And so far the hardware seems absolutely solid. Of course, it is also important to find software bugs - but these are still to be fixed after the release. So far the hardware of the Revopoint scanners has not disappointed me. The current scanning software, from the first versions to the current one, has brought huge improvements in terms of features and processing speed. This has also increased my confidence in Revopoint. Above all, it is important to remember that the einstar requires a very powerful computer and all Revopoint scanners run even on mobile phones. In this video you compare a scanner that has been on the market for a long time with a beta version - and you also say that the tracking of the einstar is now much better than at the release - well, this happend to all Revopoint scanners sofar as well - i mean that they become mutch better over time.
Lol .... that's a ridiculous statement from start to finish. If I buy a scanner, I want it to work, work well and work NOW. What exactly is the point in buying a half-assed beta product that's full of bugs? If I need a good scan, I need it now .... not in 2 years time when it finally becomes decent. pffft
@@jonnofowler5752 The Scanner he testet is a BETA version - not the scanner you buy right now. Witch means that - if you buy the Scanner - you will get the Production unit. This is the reason for Beta testing - to get a more stable Production Unit. At the moment this Scanner is on Kickstarter - an I just can say that I was not let down from previous Revopoint KS and there Product - but that is just my experience. It is perfectly legitimate if someone says that he wants to wait until the software has reached a certain level of stability and reliability - but then he will have to pay more.. the point is - if you compare a Beta model with a already out for x month Model you should take this in the conclusion. do you really think the Einstar was released without Bugs? If you are looking now for a Scanner that has proven quality - cause you need this now and you have all the requirements - then yes - go with the Einstar. I don't say that the Einstar is a bad scanner - it depends on your requirements whether the Einstar or the Revopoint is more suitable for you.
@@jonnofowler5752 But I heard from my friend that the Einstar was not so good when it was launched. As for a Kickstarter project like Miraco, they can make adjustments to their software before the end of the project. Anyway, I spent more time on this today, and I think Revopoint's problem is that they shouldn't give beta samples to a TH-camr.
@@jonnofowler5752 i have bought Luba 2 from Mammotion. They are doing the same thing, they advertised a feature and released it after a year. I blame weirdo Musky boy for selling features before available. Let's not make this normal!! If I buy today, I need at 100% today.
great review. Thanks! I'm looking to scan RC car bodies for reference points for custom parts so I'm thinking either will be ok for that. Plus, scanning heads for custom driver models. As a Mac user, the need to buy a specific and powerful PC laptop for scanning only is a pain so I think, after a few years of waiting for these budget level scanners to get where they are, the Revopoint is probably where I'll start.
I guess the point is most of the scanners have their use cases and the key is knowing what each one can do so you can determine if it fits your actual needs rather than looking at "marketing promises" that don't always line up with reality.
Great review Matt… saves me having to do one! 😂 I’ve got the Pop3 and Range to evaluate, and seeing as they both run off Phones I’m not sure if this “all in one” is really that unique..?
Not unique, but they have controlled hardware that's not running all the background processes phones would have also going on. I found the RS5+Android scanning with my Mini was better, even though it was going over wifi, than the original setup when it first arrived: RS4 on an older laptop over USB 3.0. Current builds of RS5, with a newer laptop, again, using USB 3.0 has a higher FPS and far FAR better tracking than the Android phone. I really think the 3d scanners they make, even the prior models, aren't limited on the 3d scanner hardware side. Limiting factors are ALL on the receiving side: - Receiving computer's CPU, and especially the GPU - data throughput (wifi/USB) - how capable the software is at harnessing the hardware, and the hordes of data the scanner is sending.
Thank you for this informative review. This just renews the opinion that I had about most of them. Which is that I don't have the money or energy to be an early adopter in this segment. And we are definitely still in the very early parts of the bell curve of this technology's lifecycle. I am probably going to approach 3d scanners the same way I did 3D printers and give the whole product category some more time to mature beyond a collection developmental products from mostly obscure startup companies before I invest in one. There is nothing more frustrating than getting onboard with a very promising company only for them to go out of business and drop all support for a product a short time later. Plus just with the rate of technological advancement, unless you absolutely need a scanner right now (which I honestly don't) it probably won't be long before some company breaks out in the market with a very compelling product and starts bringing the whole segment more mainstream.
You can use a mix of baby'powder and alcohol instead of the dots. The alcohol evaporates and leaves the powder behind. This may provide better scans than the dots while being easier to clean up.
This is one of the better videos on this device. Could you do another comparison video with more details on a medium and/or small items like the xbox controller you showed.
I wonder if yellow and black hazard tape would work better or easier than either dots or hot wheels car stickers. It's easy to apply and remove and has a nice geometric pattern to lock onto.
The pattern creates a tracking problem, if the scanner isn't confident and it sees a yellow diamond, having a row of identical diamonds means it can choose the wrong one. The Shaper Origin handheld CNC router uses tape with a domino pattern, but each adjacent black rectangle has a different arrangement of white dots and the device has been specifically programmed to track the domino tape.
There's not just the plain yellow and black. There's also others with caution, danger, biohazard and various other text along with the geometric pattern.
@brianb-p6586 Yeah, that's what I was thinking. They got an honest review, and if they are a credible company, they will work to improve their product. If they are not afraid of honesty, they will send him another one to review. If the next one is amazing, I have no doubt Matt would rave about it.
It's not THAT bad of a review though? Yes, the currently inherent downsides to having a fully handheld solution still outweigh the upsides, if you want to use it like Matt does, but for what it is, it's still impressive imho. So they absolutely should send another one when they have made some improvements 😅
All reviews should be like this. To the point and honest even if that goes against the one you were sent to review. All hail
Hell yeah
All hail the algorithm
This is AvE-grade "nah it's kinda meh" review quality. Love it.
That's why we watch Matt, fools can follow whomever they like also.
All hail 😊
I kinda feel like he won't get anything anymore to "honestly review"
I shared this on the original einstar video, you can "tunnel" the USB device over your network so you can use a powerful computer in your office to handle the scanning workload while the laptop in the garage can be a low powered screen effectively. You need solid network performance to do it, but it works really well. remote desktop from the cheap laptop to the desktop so you can see that computer, setup the USB passthrough, then run the einstar software on the desktop.
Would love to learn more about this. Is it some sort of USB to Ethernet dongle sorcery?
Still a pain in the ass.
ok now i have to try that with my lizard, my laptop can scan well enough but my desktop is where it's at lol
@@alexej917 no extra hardware needed. You use a piece of software called VirtualHere USB Server, and virtualHere client. Server on the cheap laptop, client on the powerful computer. It passes the USB device over the network. Then you can remote desktop to the powerful computer to control the software from the cheap one.
@@alexej917 seconded - I'd also love to learn more about this!
I bought an Einstar last week on your recommendation (and I love it). I was going to cry if you found something better this week. Frankly, I'm glad you didn't. In just a week the Einstar has become the most useful tool in my toolbox.
que modelo adquiriste ?
Good job, Matt. Personally, I'm drawn to the all-in-one design of Miraco, which can handle both small and large scanning tasks. Would you consider doing another review on how the Einstar scanner performs when scanning small items like coins, bolts, or similar objects?
The Einstar was never designed to scan small objects like coins, bolts ... so of course it will be a bad review :~
@@jonnofowler5752 Really? In that case, I'd think Matt's review is a little bit one-sided. From Revopoint's ads, it seems that All-in-one is the biggest advantage of their Miraco, and being able to scan both large and small is the most they've advertised - which attracts me most. If the Einstar can't scan small items, then I think they are simply different things, at least, each with their own pros and cons. It's a pity that Matt didn't share these in such a great video.
You are setting him up. Do you have financial interest in the Miraco succeeding by chance?
I've found that Revopoint's scanners take to physical markers well. A pound or two of plasticine's in my box with the Mini I have. Pinching off little irregular blobs provides excellent tracking, and I think it cost me a buck or two for the brick of plasticine at the dollar store.
The reflective markers, I found that Revopoint's software doesn't need the given size of markers they provide. Their software detects a simple white dot + black ring around it as a reference dot. I've reflective 1x3mm dots, standard size 6x10mm ones, and I've even printed out random sized ones on white paper labels that detect.
Cleanup is a b***h with paper labels stuck to cars or car parts, but they work great to aid tracking even on "General mode" vs the actual Marker mode on the surrounding areas, like the blobs of plasticine. But I'm not spending a mint on special, specific sized reflective markers, which keeps consumables costs down.
Since I don't have more than the one scanner to toy with, I can't say if other brands also take to these tips as well, or not. YMMV.
It is DEFINITELY the case that the computer receiving the scan data, and the software make or break the usability of the scanner. The scanner hardware however: ... Revopoint still supports every scanner they make with their RevoScan software, which has brought a horde of gained usability to old models. My Mini was frankly, not much better than a toy with the software available when it shipped late last year. It's much more capable as software has matured. And the laptop upgrade, to use the new versions.
Matt, if you could, next time you do another 3D Scanning video, can you touch on the software experience with Einscan/Einstar vs Revopoint for all of us?
Have they been updating their software?
Do they continue to support all their models of scanners?
Have you noticed any improvements in performance or tracking with subsequent versions?
Have they upped their hardware requirements since you first owned it?
Since I only own the one, haven't access to another, I have no other reference, and would genuinely like to know.
I wonder if instead of all those dots, maybe you could throw a grid top down with a projector. As long as you're not blocking out the grid while scanning. Bit of a pain but might be cool if you're always scanning big stuff in the same place.
That's a really interesting idea. I was thinking of something like masking tape with markings - you just lay it down on your surface, do your scan and pull it off, but I like the projector idea even more. The only thing is you'd need multiple projectors shining from different directions.
The IR laser pattern projector from many stereo depth cameras (like the intel realsense) may work well for that. Just securely mount the realsense above, use it to get some gross detail overview scans, and then use the handheld stuff for the fine details.
@@roboman2444 I think this will mess with the scanner, as it is doing the same thing, flashing out patterns in IR.
There was a projector system that did this for projector light mapping! It was very impressive.
@@ColinFoxI did something similar when I was scanning car body parts with various super cheap methods: cover the panel in painters’ tape, then add cheap letter stickers or draw a grid. In most cases the results were surprisingly good, to the point you could even see the wrinkles in the tape.
Aesub spray is pricey but worth checking out as it helps with detail - no need to wipe down your piece after as it sublimates
That's so cool, I never knew that existed
Dry shampoo. $3 a can and does the same job.
I milled my own trans adapter. I took a technical drawing of the transmission and some hyper accurate measurements of the engine and a few pics and threw everything into fusion… took a week or so but I managed to design it and then another week to mill it on an mpcnc… s85 to g86 trans adapter, cut the face off the trans and welded it all together. It worked first try, I git incredibly lucky
At my old work we used a high end Kreon 3D scanner - it was about USD$60k. And was attached to a big arm with transducers recording joint positions. It also had a CMM attachment at the scanner head, accurate to 0.05mm.
It really was accurate, but such a cumbersome beast that it was hard to use. I guess my point is that there’s no silver bullet, the really good scanners can be $$$ and have their own drawbacks!
I saw one of these in the late nineties. I don't know how much the scanner was, but it was hooked up to a 50k computer. As a layman 25 years later having access to similar technology for less than 1k is rather amazing.
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Holy crap. A legit tool review that just tells it like it is. It's like I'm watching AvE or something. Thanks Matt.
Very impressive!
@@davidsteinhour5562 Project Farm reference? Nice.
Like AvE without the libertarian social commentary. I like it!
@@notanavrageloser hahaha bingo!!!
Compared to MIRACO, Einstar feels like a product from a previous era. Just give it a try, and you will see that Einstar completely fails to scan details.
Thanks for making an honest review. This is about what I was expecting. Glad to see a confirmation of it
Great video! I'm actually an antique restoration expert and part of the Miraco beta testing team. My job requires me to travel extensively and scan artifacts (such as sculptures) in various museums or tourist attractions. In such situations, it's impossible for me to carry an Einstar along with a high-end PC. Miraco's standalone design to scan both small and large perfectly solves my problem. If I don't choose Miraco, which similar product should I go for? Artec Leo? I want to, but I can't afford it.
In my industry and scanning scenarios, it's challenging to rely on bulky PCs for scanning, especially when I often need to complete a scan rapidly. Before the introduction of the Miraco, the ARTEC LEO was the only equipment that met my requirements, but it came at a hefty price. The launch of miraco allows me to purchase a standalone product similar to LEO at hugely favorable price. I'm thrilled, and although there are some imperfections, I believe that Revopoint can enhance the scanning experience with continuous updates.
The Artec Leo weighs more than 2.5KG and still cannot scan tiny details. I hope that MIRACO can solve this problem.
There are other solutions to this I'm sure. You don't need to bring the bulky pc with you. You just need to connect to it from anywhere. I don't ultimately know how to do it but I'm sure it's possible. Remote desktop + some way to pass the usb signal
This all seems very intellectual but I have had and seen better performance in gaming laptops than in many PC's. I'm certain the right laptop can ace the data rate recording with miraco. Just as well as any wireless transfer to one of those bulky dinosaurs with a size matches performance stereotype. "Ain't no substitute for cubic inches boy!"
I'm outta this world that, there's finally an stand alone scanner that doesn't cost the same as car.
It’s not similar to the Leo in any way other than being stand alone
I recently had to get a transmission adapter made and Matt's comment about neither scanner having the detail precision really put this all in perspective. I had to adapt a Mitsubishi diesel to a Renault transaxle, it wasn't fun, took forever and cost thousands. A proper 3d scanner would have seriously simplified the process.
Was really wondering when I'd see a review that didn't just hype up the Miraco, glad SOMEONE has the decency to point out it's flaws.
Awesome review Matt!! Thanks! I definitely want the convenience factor, but I can wait for a mixed reality headset with everything built in, that's probably only a few years away
Just a tip, I found myself in the situation of need/want a 3d Scanner, and even paid for an "Early release" that never did (thankfully no money was lost). But then found the greatest solution of them all... Photogrametry, I used RealityCapture, and found that I get all the detail that I want for any size of models (cars, toys, heck if you have a drone, or a huge pole with a camera attached, you could scan your whole block if you want). And they charge for the amount of data to process, so its a couple dollars a scan, and it even captures textures all in one go so no "lost track of the object", model too big for tiny processor to handle, my resolution is crap because so are my cameras, you need to coat them in $60 dollar spray otherwise ill get ansiety... Needless to say I will never need a scanner.
Matt,
I liked how in a previous episode how you had used powder on shiny surfaces to procure a higher quality rastered scan. I can certainly understand from the handheld aspect being able to single handedly move around an object is easier. As well as the laptop based hardware software performance would be vastly untouched by a handheld all in one scanner. A couple quick feature buttons on the scanner that you can assign from the software would be great as well, as such that you have mentioned: a 'revert mode, etc.
Love the tech episode! Cant wait to see what you make of your driveshafts in the next Viper video. As always, great dialog!
I tested the Einstar and also bought the POP3. For small objects and details, the Einstar, with its cheap VCSEL projector that has low accuracy, cannot compare to POP 3. It struggles to scan small objects in detail and requires several attempts before successful modeling. On the other hand, the POP3 excels in this aspect, and I still have faith in MIRACO to scan a Bolt as they demonstrated live.
@@TechnoPioneers007 $199
The Einstar is not meant for small objects 😂
@@donkeyholmes4581i have a friend that has a miraco it scanned a smal dog figurine (3cm wide) with impressive accuracy.
It looks like a handheld Kinect - I worked on the RealSense product and it looks like that too.
Fun stuff! I was mad that they killed the Kinect so fast because it was super easy to spackle sample feature code right into live debuggers and exercise it - the amount of functionality in modern integrated sensor packages available to the general consumer now is kind of crazy. The Future Is Now.
(I was a technician for 25 years - kind of a tool junkie, because, tools make everything possible - thanks for covering this)
Forgot about the Kinect until you mentioned it... I bought one nearly 15 years ago, despite never having an Xbox, to try and do crude 3d scanning. Never got that far with it beyond SDK demos. Still have it packed away, with my other unused old tech.
These new scanners have WAY more resolution, but basically work the same way. The IR laser scanners would be quite like how the Kinnect was, and the only difference my Mini has, vs the Pop Matt showed, is that it uses a blue-light laser that's ... not eyeball/eyesight friendly.
I'd love a video on your Fusion 360 workflow when designing around your scans. I assume a lot of plane through three points and mesh section sketches, but I could be missing something. Learn Everything About Design's channel has been a helpful resource.
Can you link the video you mentioned?
Making for Motorsport does a decent one on that subject 👍
You can certainly reverse engineer to NURBS that way. I've found it's not beneficial to do the entire scan that way tho. Just some hard points you need.
@@Goatee_yay Agreed, there's lots of videos about reverse engineering, but not many around the workflow of designing off of and around mesh data.
@@LB0001 He has a number of videos, and full series that are of interest, here's an example: th-cam.com/video/nDWjLu4eiu4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zqF-oCqCxcaUESxc
Quick tip, if you're not able to do a Plane Through Three Points and select mesh data, go into direct edit mode for the mesh.
I've used all of Revopoints's scanners since my early Kickstarter original POP except for this one. The scanners have all given me and thousands of other users excellent results over the course of the software development in the last 3 years. I have a couple of other scanners of another brand and one thing I've noticed is that they all act a little differently and require slight modifications to your scanning technique. So if you've been using a particular scanner for any length of time, especially a different brand, I think it'd be a little difficult to pick up one you have no experience with and be able to fully take advantage of its capabilities. You mentioned having a POP and feeling it was just a hobby toy; have you used the latest software and given it a chance to perform?
I've seen updates as often as twice in a month.@@TechnoPioneers007
They update their software fairly regularly, once a month maybe once every too months. It is so much better than it used to be@@TechnoPioneers007
When people buy a scanner, it's because they have a purpose for it and wish to use it NOW. Who wants to wait for 3 years for the software to get better? That's stupid. I purchased a Revopoint POP2 when they first came out because I needed a scanner, but the software was so poor at the time I was unable to achieve the goal I had. I then purchased an Einstar and it worked perfectly straight out of the box. The software was intuitive and worked far better on a bad day than Revopoint worked on its best day. I was able to achieve my scanning goal with the Einstar in a fraction of the time/stress/markers that the POP2 required. So ..... when you say "give it a chance to perform" you're really saying "hold it's hand because it can't stand up"
You just saved me a LOT of money. Thank you for your honest review.
God damn i was just talking about getting a 3D scanner - and went through your videos. And now this video. Great now I have to get one.
This gives me hope that there might be a great quality, hobbyist level, scanner in the near future. Seems like the Miraco is better than prior RevoPoint products. Maybe in another 18 months they'll have the Miraco 2 that is as good as the Einstar in a perfect little package.
*me 6 hours ago* trying to find a direct comparison between these two scanners
*me now* oh, sweet, superfastmatt literally posted a video of exactly what I needed when I needed it.
Thanks
That screen on the back looks like it works so well
Super impressive to hear an honest review of a sponsored video. You knew that that particular company might not work with you again and you still uploaded it
Legit the best tech review of anything I've ever watched.
I was just as surprised as you are. Worked as an app engineer for multiple scanners. Face scanning is a super super popular use case.
As a product design students there are definitely uses for scanning faces but I suspect they generally use them because it's something people are very familiar with and expect a certain outcome.
It also supports a very common use-case: selecting spectacles for fit, function and aesthetics.
I would like to know how much the Einstar is being held back by the limited performance of the laptop. It would be interesting to see the upper limit of how good it is with a very good desktop workstation.
Though a sequence of coincidences I got a couple of hours of instruction on how to use an Einstar (one of their older models) from an employee, and what he recommended for the best scans with the "dots" was first doing a low-resolution scan, and then discarding all of it but the dot locations and using those known locations as a starting point for a high-resolution scan. It did seem to make a significant difference in the surface quality of the scan. Might be worth a try to see if it's still useful for the current model?
Thanks Matt, I just bought the Einstar last week and after seeing the Miraco announced I started having buyers remorse but I'm doing the same kinda stuff you are in regards to automotive applications. Looks like I went the best route. Just have to keep carrying the big Pelican case with all my computer and cords and stuff. Oh well...
We have the bigger brother of the einstar at the university. It has color maping as an add on wich makes it pretty cool. The note about computer performance affecting tracking quality has been taken and i will relay it so maybe we will stop loosing tracking with it. The performance you demonstrate with your model prooves we are loosing a lot of performance with ours.
Thank you :)
Oh wow an actual honest review I was not expecting that. Im impressed
Wow, a review that's actually honest, and not just pumping up what you actually do like about the product.
Man you just made my night. The campaign ended last night and in the eleventh hour I canceled it because of my fear of it being just like the pop scanner... I was regretting canceling the pledge till I saw this. Thank you for the amazing review. Revo makes some cool stuff, just not something I'd use based off of what you're saying. Thanks for saving me 1200 bucks!
I appreciate the honesty guy. It's refreshing.
It's nice to hear candid thoughtful reviews. Thank you.
Seldom left a comment, but it's just a an honest review which every audience is expecting, great thx~
Great job on the video Matt! Thanks for making it.
It's great living in the future like this, and these are all good problems to have. I used a laser scanner at Kodak 30 years ago, the target had to fit on the sled, the scanning head was on a long screw drive and would move about an inch a minute past the target, once the face of the target had been captured, the head would trigger the platform to rotate, and the sled would swipe left and right until finally 360 degrees was achieved. If you wanted the base plate of the target, like the bottom of an engine or whatever, you had to pause the scan, manually lay the target over, and the scanner would attempt to make sense of the points, attempt to line them up, and attempt to paste them together. It output autocad files, and had seriously high resolution, but took a solid 24 hours to scan anything in detail. I tried to use it to scan the back of a 1295 A series engine off a Sprite to create an adapter for a Datsun 5 speed transmission, and wow, what a pain in the ass. Took days to get it right, and in the end, the machine shop guy literally ignored the data, and traced the engine on paper, traced the transmission on paper, and manually created the adapter plate, in like an hour. The 1996 version of Send Cut Send, I guess.
I got one of these to make mini figures of my family. First scan not so great. My daughter had her first seizure. The frequency of the light pulses when using the texture scan mode are not good if you have any risk. It is also stated in the warnings but this is the first time this has happened. 15yo girl no history.
I was a bit surprised to see an actual review, but in the end, you did right.
Thank you for this review. I own the Revopoint mini and HATE its tracking. So much I often avoid using it as it's easier to use calipers in a lot of situations. Knowing this being years newer still has the same issues lets me know it likely isn't a worth while upgrade. Ironically I messaged support about the tracking issue and they suggested using the dots. Which in the failed scan you could clearly see a dot every quarter inch. which is a lot when the object is 8 inches in diameter. I still haven't taken the dots off because it's just as much a pain to remove as they are to add. and I've had better results just adding random shapes and squiggles with colored markers for tracking.
Not only does the Einstar need windows, it actually needs Nvidia graphics as the heavy processing is done in Nvidias proprietary CUDA software. If that changes I'll probably spring for one but not ready to change my PC to work with a scanner.
The screen flip is super handy when you're scanning at waste level while walking around or if you're putting it on a tripod and scanning an object on a table.
You CAN connect the scanner to a computer and run the Revopoint software. It works well enough. There are some features you get from scanning with it including faster model render times etc.
For scanning metallic or flat black objects, use Tinactin "goes on dry" foot spray. Works better than the scanning spray the Miraco Pro ships with.
Also, I got NOTICEABLY better results when I attached an LED panel (for cameras / video / streaming etc) to the Miraco. It had a seriously positive effect. It eliminated 98% of tracking loss and gave me much more coherent / complete point clouds.
Very good honest review. I guess the only main advantage is it is portable, so useful for scanning public places.
I'm never going to buy a 3D scanner. Great video thanks! Don't know how you make everything so entertaining!
I was considering this vs. the Einstar. Your review was perfectly timed.
All hail the algorithm.
THANK YOU FOR BEING SO HONEST!!!!
It would be really cool if the scanning software could outsource the computation over the network. Einstar + small laptop on battery (or even a raspi or android tablet), while your beefy desktop upstairs does all the processing.
The Miraco is probably computation limited. Being able to outsource the computation to a better machine may significantly help it out.
You can do this. You can tunnel the USB device to another computer on your network, then use remote desktop to view that other computer and operate the software. I do it all the time with my einstar.
A virtualhere server works incredibly well for this
@@Sethmcfad That's exactly the software I use and tell people to use.
Great. Honest. Unlike 99% of reviews
Great review!
I think the most important thing to know out of the review was that Einstar is working on a Mac version. Instead of having to figure out a PC I'll just wait a bit and purchase the Einstar when the software is ready.
hell yeah best review of any tech product i’ve seen in a while. love the lack of hype
nice honest review
Thanks for this. I have a Revopoint Range that I haven't used yet but was thinking about the Miraco because it looked less cumbersome. Now I might be looking at the Einstar. 🙂
The instrument you need is the Metrascan 3D. i know, it costs a lot.. but you can find used ones, it has huge scan volume, high accuracy and it is good on every surface
Saved me from wasting money. Thanks for the honest review
I love your 3d scanner reviews so much cause your use case is close to mine, I know you won't make ahit up to make it sound better, you actually use the results for work and you care to learn the product just the right amount to find common gotchas and annoyances
Thank you for the honest review.
What a fantastic review. Right into the meat and potatoes. No stupid fluff
Thank you for that review. Chapters would have made it even more useful, but this was valuable. May I politely remind you when doing reviews, that some viewers will not be familiar with either product, so it is useful to recap how they handle things such as surface colour, transfer to a computer, software, etc.
My new favourite channel 👍🏽🇬🇧
Somehow, like 15 minutes ago I jsut got this feeling that Matt had posted, I think I have developed a subconscious biological clock for his uploads
Hahahah
Could you do a "working with composites" video? Fiberglass, carbon fiber. Maybe some simple fender flares, body for your land speed vehicle, or even that hardtop you were talking about.
Hi Matt, I’m a professional 3D scanner. I’ve had a ton of experience with a Peel 3d scanner and I was impressed with the accuracy I could get out of it. The parts would be accurate to a couple thousands of an inch, along with the best software package I’ve seen.
Thanks for the info! It's pretty far out of my price range, and i suspect most hobbyists. Hopefully they can come up with a low cost version in the future.
Unfortunately you left out one major benefit tho. It can do smaller stuff which is something that einstar is terrible at. Also as mentioned the Einstar was much worse when it came out then now. So to be expected a beta unit will be improved. However. Tbh both trans scans were terrible which makes me wonder since I've gotten much better results with the Einstar and range then posted here. Also the miraco can be fully edited on the device and meshed
But you say the price is high but take into account the device is the same cost and don't need a 2k+ computer to get any adequate results. I wonder what laptop on battery vs miraco would look like tho.
" don't need a 2k+ computer" yes you do if you want to do reverse engineering afterwards, which is the usecase Matt was talking about here.
As for the small stuff I agree but again this was not the key point of the review.
@@GridPB processing an Einstar scan in a timely manner is much more difficult then running software to reverse engineer.
My einstar experience is the same as day one. Shining has very mature aoftware
I would love to see you do a double bubble carbon fiber top for the Honda. If you can make it seal well and you can work our most of the bugs in the driveline, it would be really cool on the power tour. You could do a lot of videos related to it. Keep up the great work!
10/10. Since most products are average, more reviews should highlight their average-ness. Thanks Matt, for being honest.
I always assumed that the software would have some version of loop closing in case both ends of the scan do not line up. It always increases the overall accuracy of the scan and makes the output much, much easier to work.
Sort of - but 'loop closing' sounds a bit like software bending the twisted scan arbitrarily to force the ends to join back up, might introduce all sorts of extra inaccuracy, or give a false illusion of accuracy -whereas as frustrating as it may be, if you keep repeating scans that drift, maybe adding items in to help lock until eventually you nail it and the ends mesh up nicely, at least you can trust the output to be pretty accurate?
@@edumaker-alexgibson You're right, that's just postprocessing of inaccurate data, but when you have scan with multiple passes from point A to B (imagine car being additionally scanned from top and bottom) the loop closing can average the error giving better accuracy. It's a common approach to generate entire "graphs of loops" just to average all the errors.
@@Krawacik3d Yes - as long as the software is actively seeking to identify and throw out misaligned data, and fill the gap with good data, you could keep going around the car and the accuracy would keep getting better. I would distrust any sort of 'postprocess' but in real time, different story.
1:31 Face scanning can be used for visual effects.
Have an Artec Leo at work, a $35k scanner. It ranges from great on some objects to ok-ish on others.
On those objects it performs great on, I imagine even the Miraco would give good enough results
would be nice to compare a einscan pro hd or pro 2x or einscan h with the einstar cause they are kind of affordable too when used 2.5-4k
Honest and little humor. Matt's serious about this review. Job well done
I get a superfastMatt notification I click on it
Same.
And...... what happens at Matt's stays at Matt's 👍
All hail the algorithm
Man of culture
I see that comment, I thumbs it up
Love this review. Thanks for putting it together for us.
Thanks for the honest review. I have friends telling me they are getting one of these things, and telling me that I need to get on board... Based on your previous videos I was like "no thanks, too soon".
I think it's sad that these companies are selling the idea of these products as something that they are not... I believe that this will only slow the progress of this tech. Like, in 10 years two things will happen. 1. They will finally make a version of this that is as good as they say it is today 2. They will have lied about it for 15 years and the word will finally get out that they aren't any good.
instead of white powder for more accurate scans, have you tried one of thouse rinsing foam spray cans? the type you use to clean car interiors and such. its mostly alcohol with a drop of soap. most of it will evaporate
Maybe try taping an angle bar, or pvc pipe attached between the windshield and roll bars etc to get help the tracking?
A simple comparison doesn't really capture it - Einstar and MIRACO are very different.
Einstar requires a high-end computer with an Nvidia graphics card, which costs at least $1000-1500 USD or even over $2000, and that's before you even bought the scanner. On the other hand, MIRACO is a stand-alone scanner, handling both scanning and post-processing. It's competitively
priced at around $800 USD.
Also, I've seen various reviews from TH-camrs and Revopoint's beta testers, and their experience with MIRACO's scanning process appears to be different from what you mentioned.
While I'm sure a high-end computer will help, the basic requirements can be found on a 500 dollar laptop.
Not to mention, Einstar requires a power outlet to operate, and that is not available for the places I want to scan
He mentioned that if you’re doing CAD you probably already have a computer capable of high performance graphics.
@@libertycommentatorokay? Buy the miraco then, the video is ment to inform and give matts experience, not force you to buy the one he likes for his workflow
I can my entire van interior with the einstar and a used $180 laptop. Don't believe the hype
love this kind of review. thanks much
7:05 - The results for both looked pretty jagged there. Did you try to switch the Miraco into it's "near mode" to try and capture these details a little better, like the POP would?
There has to be a grease pencile or something of the like out there that is easily cleand off that can be used to mark a surface for scanning. As opposed to those stupid dots.
Drywipe marker if it's a pale or reflective surface.
You just have to remember that this is still a beta version.
The most important thing about the current beta tests is to find hardware bugs.
And so far the hardware seems absolutely solid.
Of course, it is also important to find software bugs - but these are still to be fixed after the release.
So far the hardware of the Revopoint scanners has not disappointed me.
The current scanning software, from the first versions to the current one, has brought huge improvements in terms of features and processing speed. This has also increased my confidence in Revopoint.
Above all, it is important to remember that the einstar requires a very powerful computer and all Revopoint scanners run even on mobile phones.
In this video you compare a scanner that has been on the market for a long time with a beta version - and you also say that the tracking of the einstar is now much better than at the release - well, this happend to all Revopoint scanners sofar as well - i mean that they become mutch better over time.
Lol .... that's a ridiculous statement from start to finish. If I buy a scanner, I want it to work, work well and work NOW. What exactly is the point in buying a half-assed beta product that's full of bugs? If I need a good scan, I need it now .... not in 2 years time when it finally becomes decent. pffft
@@jonnofowler5752 The Scanner he testet is a BETA version - not the scanner you buy right now. Witch means that - if you buy the Scanner - you will get the Production unit. This is the reason for Beta testing - to get a more stable Production Unit. At the moment this Scanner is on Kickstarter - an I just can say that I was not let down from previous Revopoint KS and there Product - but that is just my experience.
It is perfectly legitimate if someone says that he wants to wait until the software has reached a certain level of stability and reliability - but then he will have to pay more..
the point is - if you compare a Beta model with a already out for x month Model you should take this in the conclusion.
do you really think the Einstar was released without Bugs?
If you are looking now for a Scanner that has proven quality - cause you need this now and you have all the requirements - then yes - go with the Einstar.
I don't say that the Einstar is a bad scanner - it depends on your requirements whether the Einstar or the Revopoint is more suitable for you.
@@jonnofowler5752 But I heard from my friend that the Einstar was not so good when it was launched. As for a Kickstarter project like Miraco, they can make adjustments to their software before the end of the project. Anyway, I spent more time on this today, and I think Revopoint's problem is that they shouldn't give beta samples to a TH-camr.
@@jonnofowler5752 i have bought Luba 2 from Mammotion. They are doing the same thing, they advertised a feature and released it after a year. I blame weirdo Musky boy for selling features before available. Let's not make this normal!! If I buy today, I need at 100% today.
great review. Thanks!
I'm looking to scan RC car bodies for reference points for custom parts so I'm thinking either will be ok for that.
Plus, scanning heads for custom driver models.
As a Mac user, the need to buy a specific and powerful PC laptop for scanning only is a pain so I think, after a few years of waiting for these budget level scanners to get where they are, the Revopoint is probably where I'll start.
I think this was the best review I've ever seen!
I guess the point is most of the scanners have their use cases and the key is knowing what each one can do so you can determine if it fits your actual needs rather than looking at "marketing promises" that don't always line up with reality.
Excellent review and well explained.
And "All hail the algorithm!"
Great review Matt… saves me having to do one! 😂
I’ve got the Pop3 and Range to evaluate, and seeing as they both run off Phones I’m not sure if this “all in one” is really that unique..?
Not unique, but they have controlled hardware that's not running all the background processes phones would have also going on.
I found the RS5+Android scanning with my Mini was better, even though it was going over wifi, than the original setup when it first arrived: RS4 on an older laptop over USB 3.0.
Current builds of RS5, with a newer laptop, again, using USB 3.0 has a higher FPS and far FAR better tracking than the Android phone.
I really think the 3d scanners they make, even the prior models, aren't limited on the 3d scanner hardware side. Limiting factors are ALL on the receiving side:
- Receiving computer's CPU, and especially the GPU
- data throughput (wifi/USB)
- how capable the software is at harnessing the hardware, and the hordes of data the scanner is sending.
Thank you for this informative review. This just renews the opinion that I had about most of them. Which is that I don't have the money or energy to be an early adopter in this segment. And we are definitely still in the very early parts of the bell curve of this technology's lifecycle.
I am probably going to approach 3d scanners the same way I did 3D printers and give the whole product category some more time to mature beyond a collection developmental products from mostly obscure startup companies before I invest in one. There is nothing more frustrating than getting onboard with a very promising company only for them to go out of business and drop all support for a product a short time later.
Plus just with the rate of technological advancement, unless you absolutely need a scanner right now (which I honestly don't) it probably won't be long before some company breaks out in the market with a very compelling product and starts bringing the whole segment more mainstream.
You can use a mix of baby'powder and alcohol instead of the dots. The alcohol evaporates and leaves the powder behind. This may provide better scans than the dots while being easier to clean up.
Thanks for a honest review
3:33 you should be able to change in the "windows power options" that your device uses high performance mode runing on battery
This is one of the better videos on this device. Could you do another comparison video with more details on a medium and/or small items like the xbox controller you showed.
Solid review and super transparent. All hail the algorithm.
I wonder if yellow and black hazard tape would work better or easier than either dots or hot wheels car stickers. It's easy to apply and remove and has a nice geometric pattern to lock onto.
The pattern creates a tracking problem, if the scanner isn't confident and it sees a yellow diamond, having a row of identical diamonds means it can choose the wrong one. The Shaper Origin handheld CNC router uses tape with a domino pattern, but each adjacent black rectangle has a different arrangement of white dots and the device has been specifically programmed to track the domino tape.
There's not just the plain yellow and black. There's also others with caution, danger, biohazard and various other text along with the geometric pattern.
Thanks to you I will make the right choice.
Revopoint is never sending you another free scanner.
But they will be sending a return shipping label 😁
They might send a future model, hoping to prove that it is better and counteract the negative review.
@brianb-p6586 Yeah, that's what I was thinking. They got an honest review, and if they are a credible company, they will work to improve their product. If they are not afraid of honesty, they will send him another one to review. If the next one is amazing, I have no doubt Matt would rave about it.
If they have any integrity as a business, they’ll appreciate the honest feedback, and make improvements going forward - and send him future revisions.
It's not THAT bad of a review though? Yes, the currently inherent downsides to having a fully handheld solution still outweigh the upsides, if you want to use it like Matt does, but for what it is, it's still impressive imho. So they absolutely should send another one when they have made some improvements 😅