Paynes grey has been a favourite of mine for many years as its tendency towards the cool blues and greys is perfect for the South Wales coastal landscape. A very versatile “black” indeed and also makes a nice green when mixed with cadmium yellow.
@@LennaertKoorman I'd be proud to have the finished arrays of mixed colors hanging in my home. I had not heard of Anders Zorn before this video series and will seek him out in future museum visits. My compliments on your narration. No one speaks English as well as the Dutch.
Once I read in a manual that Payne's gray could be made with Ivory's Black , mixed with Ultramarine Blue a little bit of Yellow Ochre, and tinted with Titanium White. Thought my favourite gray, for a grisaille or undertone shadows, is a mixture of Ceruleum Blue, with Raw Umber 2:1 with no white tinting. It's a fabulous gray, thought, one must protect the grisaille with a light veil of medium varnish, to prevent the Raw Umber to surface and darken the colours. I'm so thankfull for these videos You make. Keep the good work.
@danielfernandeznungaray8996, True Paynes grey is a pre-mixed color with Ultramarine blue. Maybe there is not 1 right way of glazing, but I never protect the underpainting with varnish. (I think it could even disturb the paint layers since its drying time is so much faster, but it might also work for you) I do however always use some painting medium in the colors of my underpainting for strength and drying, and then give it some days of drying so it will stay strong when glazing over it. Allways works for me. But your miles may vary ofcourse. Thanx for your feedback. All the best.
I put frosted pearl, off white, with Paynes grey and it is stunning. I put a little of the pearl, so that steel blue grey is prominent and it’s stunning. I work in acrylic.
Thank you for sharing! Yes, I agree payne’s grey is beautiful. Probably 90% of the time used for anything that has warm / daylight. Maybe mixes with ivory for moonlight settings etc.?! Have a great holiday and a happy new year!!
So useful. I’m doing a course where we are using a limited palette of ochre and black and white and also alternatively cad orange and Ultramarine. I think I will try using the paynes grey after seeing this as my black. Cheers
I'm currently experimenting with modified Zorn palette - using Michael Harding oils - transparent oxide red, yellow ochre deep, Payne's Grey and Cremnitz White No.2. I'm using to paint 3D printed miniature figures.
Wonderful, sounds as a good palette to work with. You could also experiment with swapping the Oxide Red with a less brownish red, like Venetian Red or English Red. It will expand your colour spectrum quite a lot. Giving you more options in the Red department and still being able to mix all those warm browns. Have fun painting!
Thank you Marie, good suggestion! I think it would be a very interesting comparison, so I will definitely consider making a video about it. First, there are some others planned though. By the way, what is your favorite black?
@Marie Riahi, It took a while, but just wanted to let you know that we just finished this exact comparison video on Burnt Umber vs Van Dyck Brown. Thanks for your input! Hope you like it! Here's the link. th-cam.com/video/pb3fpjA9y30/w-d-xo.html
I´ve only ivory black, neutral black, and a realy crasy iron oxide black in my palettes ... paynes gray is often a mix that contains a blue and any whatelse ... it´s clear that this will show the blue or blueish if you mix these pigmentmix with a opaque titanium white, and the pure ivory black is able to colorswitch from warmer black to a neutral, or cooler brighter gray.... that´s why the ivory black is more interessting for me then the blueish paynes gray, that I can also mix by myselfe if I need this with few opposite color´s that I own.
I love these so much! Can you do raw sienna vs burnt umber? Or something along those lines? Haha I know ones darker, but they've always confused me most
Thank you @Someone Somewhere. So good to hear you enjoy them! We will definitely consider your suggestion. But first, we have a few other comparison videos planned. Including one with Burnt Umber for that matter. Stay tuned. Cheers!
@Meghan, Shure, no problem. You can glaze with Payne's Grey. But note that it is pretty opaque, so you either need to: A: add more pressure with your brush while glazing/brushing the grey-ish layer on the canvas. (a technique that quite often is forgotten) Or B: you have to somewhat dilute the color with some oil or glazing medium before glazing with it. Best to try it out on a test strip to see if you like the result before you start glazing with it on your canvas. Hope that helps.
You use the Acrylics, not the oils I take it? 'Carbon Black' isn't available in their oil range. Well strictly speaking Ivory black is a carbon black, but less pure and slightly faster ( though not actually fast as such) drying than those blacks with a higher carbon content and less dominant in mixtures. I suppose if someone goes from oils to acrylics they're more likely to stay with the same colours. So Ivory black remains more popular even outside the oils.
Hi Zissou, thanks for your comment again! As long as it is working for you, you are not a dummy at all. Divertedflight is right in his comment, that Old Holland only has a Carbon Black in their acrylic range. To be honest, I have actually never worked with Carbon black and did not know it was so similar to Ivory Black. But looking at the color chart, it seems just a tad warmer than Ivory Black. Is that why you use it? I am curious to try it out sometime.
Paynes grey has been a favourite of mine for many years as its tendency towards the cool blues and greys is perfect for the South Wales coastal landscape. A very versatile “black” indeed and also makes a nice green when mixed with cadmium yellow.
Thank you for your comment @Peter Elmer, I agree completely!
Me too... and Payne's Grey has such an interesting history as a colour mix. I have tubes from various brands. I love 'mixed blacks' generally.
This is a really great idea for a video as both Ivory Black and Payne's Grey are such good colours.
I don't paint. I don't know how I found this channel. Nevertheless, these videos are fascinating.
Thank you Jean, that is very good to hear! You never know, maybe you will start painting one day. It is loads of fun!
@@LennaertKoorman I'd be proud to have the finished arrays of mixed colors hanging in my home. I had not heard of Anders Zorn before this video series and will seek him out in future museum visits. My compliments on your narration. No one speaks English as well as the Dutch.
Ha ha ha,thank you
Maybe you should paint.
Once I read in a manual that Payne's gray could be made with Ivory's Black , mixed with Ultramarine Blue a little bit of Yellow Ochre, and tinted with Titanium White. Thought my favourite gray, for a grisaille or undertone shadows, is a mixture of Ceruleum Blue, with Raw Umber 2:1 with no white tinting. It's a fabulous gray, thought, one must protect the grisaille with a light veil of medium varnish, to prevent the Raw Umber to surface and darken the colours.
I'm so thankfull for these videos You make. Keep the good work.
@danielfernandeznungaray8996, True Paynes grey is a pre-mixed color with Ultramarine blue. Maybe there is not 1 right way of glazing, but I never protect the underpainting with varnish. (I think it could even disturb the paint layers since its drying time is so much faster, but it might also work for you) I do however always use some painting medium in the colors of my underpainting for strength and drying, and then give it some days of drying so it will stay strong when glazing over it. Allways works for me. But your miles may vary ofcourse. Thanx for your feedback. All the best.
Thanks so much. I use both of these colors with Cad yellow light to create some lovely muted greens.
@huberthanks3007 True, lovely muted greens!
A Lead White vs Titanium comparision would be amazing with the Zorne pallette
@danielfernandeznungaray8996, Thanx for your feedback! Good idea. We will consider it.
I'm pleased about these videos thanks
I put frosted pearl, off white, with Paynes grey and it is stunning. I put a little of the pearl, so that steel blue grey is prominent and it’s stunning. I work in acrylic.
@Lainie Frye, Interesting! I never heard of frosted pearl before. Will look into that. Thanx!
@lainiefrye8249 can you tell me which acrylic brand has frosted Pearl? I’d love to try that combo. Sounds like it would be pretty!
Thank you very much for this video!
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Thank you for sharing! Yes, I agree payne’s grey is beautiful. Probably 90% of the time used for anything that has warm / daylight. Maybe mixes with ivory for moonlight settings etc.?! Have a great holiday and a happy new year!!
So useful. I’m doing a course where we are using a limited palette of ochre and black and white and also alternatively cad orange and Ultramarine. I think I will try using the paynes grey after seeing this as my black. Cheers
This was extremely helpful, thank you!
So nice sir
I'm currently experimenting with modified Zorn palette - using Michael Harding oils - transparent oxide red, yellow ochre deep, Payne's Grey and Cremnitz White No.2. I'm using to paint 3D printed miniature figures.
Wonderful, sounds as a good palette to work with. You could also experiment with swapping the Oxide Red with a less brownish red, like Venetian Red or English Red. It will expand your colour spectrum quite a lot. Giving you more options in the Red department and still being able to mix all those warm browns. Have fun painting!
@@LennaertKoorman I was going to experiment with Venetian Red as well, thanks for the suggestion.
Bro, Transparent red oxide is literally Venetian Red but more saturated and brighter. It's anything but brownish.
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Can you make a video to show the difference between Burnt Umber and Van dyke brown?
Thank you Marie, good suggestion! I think it would be a very interesting comparison, so I will definitely consider making a video about it. First, there are some others planned though. By the way, what is your favorite black?
Thank you for you input! We will consider it!
@Marie Riahi, It took a while, but just wanted to let you know that we just finished this exact comparison video on Burnt Umber vs Van Dyck Brown. Thanks for your input! Hope you like it! Here's the link. th-cam.com/video/pb3fpjA9y30/w-d-xo.html
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Excellent as always!
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Great video! Difficault choice sometimes! However you can enjoy both, adding a touch of ULt. Blue if needed to your ivory black.
Burnt Umber and Ultramarine Blue is great all around black that allows for temperature adjustment.
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I´ve only ivory black, neutral black, and a realy crasy iron oxide black in my palettes ... paynes gray is often a mix that contains a blue and any whatelse ... it´s clear that this will show the blue or blueish if you mix these pigmentmix with a opaque titanium white, and the pure ivory black is able to colorswitch from warmer black to a neutral, or cooler brighter gray.... that´s why the ivory black is more interessting for me then the blueish paynes gray, that I can also mix by myselfe if I need this with few opposite color´s that I own.
@RATTE1606, thanks for your feedback!
great stuff, love paynes grey. especially the OH one, as it is pretty opaque.
Thank you for using our products, Elliot!
Thank you Elliott! Totally agree, it's quite opaque but not too dominant in the mix. It's always on my palette.
You have quite a selection phthalo blues...perhaps a video on their differences would be nice. Cheers.
@palnagok1720, True, thanx for the feedback, we will consider it.
Can you make a comparison between Van dyke brown and Burnt umber?
Thank you again for your input! We will consider it! Keep following our channel. More video's to come.
I love these so much!
Can you do raw sienna vs burnt umber? Or something along those lines? Haha I know ones darker, but they've always confused me most
Thank you for your input!
@@oldhollandclassiccolours2759 no sir, thank you for your knowledge! 🍻
Thank you @Someone Somewhere. So good to hear you enjoy them! We will definitely consider your suggestion. But first, we have a few other comparison videos planned. Including one with Burnt Umber for that matter. Stay tuned. Cheers!
Good information on ivory colour
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Can you glaze with Payne’s Grey?
@Meghan, Shure, no problem. You can glaze with Payne's Grey. But note that it is pretty opaque, so you either need to: A: add more pressure with your brush while glazing/brushing the grey-ish layer on the canvas. (a technique that quite often is forgotten) Or B: you have to somewhat dilute the color with some oil or glazing medium before glazing with it. Best to try it out on a test strip to see if you like the result before you start glazing with it on your canvas. Hope that helps.
Paynes grey for me, for my portraits
is payne's grey considered transparent?
@rhyannonp8231 It is labeled Opaque
Definitely Payne's Grey.
I love Payne’s grey
Me too Pax, me too!
Paynes grey and prusian blue are my must have
My favourite black is Blue Black by Winsor & Newton. Old Holland paynes grey is great too. I avoid ivory black for my style of painting.
mars black is my choice!!
Am I the only dummy who buys carbon black? Nobody uses it
You use the Acrylics, not the oils I take it? 'Carbon Black' isn't available in their oil range. Well strictly speaking Ivory black is a carbon black, but less pure and slightly faster ( though not actually fast as such) drying than those blacks with a higher carbon content and less dominant in mixtures. I suppose if someone goes from oils to acrylics they're more likely to stay with the same colours. So Ivory black remains more popular even outside the oils.
Hi Zissou, thanks for your comment again! As long as it is working for you, you are not a dummy at all. Divertedflight is right in his comment, that Old Holland only has a Carbon Black in their acrylic range. To be honest, I have actually never worked with Carbon black and did not know it was so similar to Ivory Black. But looking at the color chart, it seems just a tad warmer than Ivory Black. Is that why you use it? I am curious to try it out sometime.
Mars black is the blackest black. At least in artists colours.
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