Why Haven't Bournemouth Increased Their Capacity And Will They Ever Expand?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2024
- In August, AFC Bournemouth will be embarking on their SIXTH season in the Premier League, much to the delight of Cherries fans across the globe. It’s the richest league in football, yet Bournemouth have the smallest capacity and do not seemingly have the appetite to expand. We find out why.
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The day we leave Dean Court will be bloody heartbreaking. 😞
We left the real Dean Court twenty odd years ago, the stadium we have now needs bulldozing and rebuilding, as a club we will never grow with our Lego stadium.
It’s nice to hear the old ex players on Talksport often recalling their visits to “Dean Court” and still using it when reporting on a game in progression but I have a suspicion that John Williams & Dave Merrington would now have been stopped from incorrectly naming the Fitness First or whatever it’s supposed to be known as by the generic BBC Radio Solent - the Southampton Subdivision of “ local radio in the south “ of which the football show has authentic presenters even when the rest of its output sounds like polished cheese….
Does anyone remember what happened to Darlington Football Club and the Darlington Arena? I don’t want to see AFC Bournemouth becoming the next Darlington FC.
@@jcngokai-76 darlo weren’t in the prem tho
@@benanders1969 Darlo has NEVER reached the Premier League at any point of its establishment, but my point is that until the ball club’s financial situation is unquestionably stable, it’s a financial SUICIDE to pursue such project when just about every creditors are on your back on a daily basis.
Thoughtful presentation, well put together! On the face of it seems easy to build a bigger stadium but financially a massive risk.
They need to build an upper tier along the one length of the ground to up the capacity to 16,000(near to the cricket pitch) - should have done this a few years ago!
@@deansinger8285 the maximum that they could have is 15,000 as Sam said.
There’s literally teams in the 2nd and 3rd tier who are able to expand their stadium. If you really think we can’t afford it then you are a fool
@@jamalcolorado4260 it's not about the cost of expanding the existing stadium, it's more about the fact that we don't own any of it and only lease it, plus Structadene are reluctant to sell.
I think there should be stadium like dean court in the premier league……. Not only is it a change of scenery from all the big, new fancy stadiums, its also an amazing away game experience (I am a man city fan). Watching a game at dean court is more fun than watching a game at the new spurs ground.
Can’t agree with that, I’m Bournemouth all my life, apart from the odd game at DC the atmosphere is crap, I’d rather be with three thousand bmth fans at Spurs, it is an amazing ground, not many of our fans know what other teams say about us because they never travel, give me a great day out anytime, like you, unfortunately the majority of our fans are clueless when it comes to away days, they just don’t get it, seven thousand season ticket holders, but only sixteen hundred of them wanted to watch Wycombe at home, the majority have never been to an away game, the ST were sold to the wrong fans, as was our club. Also a large part of our away following don’t bother with home games.
@@mrdog2019 I find all this interesting.
an amazing away game yeah right because you can't get tickets because it's a tiny ground. they should kick Bournemouth to league one because of how btec they are
@@sloth-gaming they are where they are due to their footballing abilities u clearly don’t know their history and story, watch -17 and u will respect them as a club
That explained the situation very well. I especially appreciated the historical background at the beginning.
I'm a Tottenham supporter, so I don't really know why I ended up here, watching this. But it was a bloody interesting video 👍🏻
I'm one of the older fans who remembers playing Villa Brighton and notes County in the early 1970s and getting crowds of over 20000 when the population of bournemouth and the surrounding areas was much smaller My thoughts are if we were to build a new stadium it would have to be 25k at least Trouble is with our support as it is an older generation who hold all the season tickets not allowing a younger generation to get into Dean court so much and I noted on your vlog and up the cherries fans site the amount of people saying our away support is noisier and much younger so think we need to find a way to accommodate them as they will be the lifeblood of the football club in the future Great piece again Sam thanks
We barely averaged 17,500 during the best season under John Bond our best ever average. Only sold just over 20,000 a couple of times during the famous season where we were just not quite good enough for promotion. Prior to that, it was the FA Cup in 57 where we sold out 20,000 + 7 times. Biggest crowd since the 70's was against Middlesbrough in 1987 when we squeezed in just under 15,000.
@@youjoker9647 The 'New Stand' terrace was certainly a bit tight with 20,000+ in attendance! The Middlesbrough game must have been one of my last at DC, but a lot of happy memories of the 'lower' divisions over the 70's and 80's. Good luck in the Prem!
Good point. The age profile, in the main stand at least, seems skewed to the elderly (speaking as someone over 60 myself) how are new, young fans going to be brought in if all the seasons are in the hands of OAPS? I started going to Dean Court with my Dad when I was about 7 -that’s why I love going there to this day.
The days of Ted Macdougle when we [Villa],got promoted we lost 3-0 at your place, and managed a 2-1 home win after Ted put us a goal down with a diving header in the first half.
@@tonyantoniou9271 Record Third Division crowd for a while wasn't it - some 48,000 or so at VP? Shame the Cherries just missed out - great side.
Good to see another South coast team in The Premiership, along with Brighton, we were used to playing each other in the old 3rd Division but this is now incredible. Unfortunately the need for 30000 plus stadium is necessary to long term success.
SAINTS!
If only it could be filled. Reality is, it can't.
Sam, great work breaking the issue down in terms we can easily understand.
Happy to see AFC Bournemouth back in the premier League, from a Newcastle FAN 😉👍, thanks for Eddie Howe, Wilson, Ritchie, Fraser ⚽😉
Be prepared for an influx of snake comments about Ryan Fraser, personally, I think that he made the right choice for himself, but not the club, obviously.
@@neilphillips2068 we love Eddie Howe up here in Newcastle at the moment, if he does aswell next season then I can see him being the next Kevin Keegan amongst the supporters!
I can understand where a small stadium can be seen as a bad thing especially when compared to newer monstrosities but how can you not love the fact that you’re going to have a seat close to the action?
Wow, this was a really good video, well made and informative, I learned a lot about Bournemouth and other small clubs, thanks! ;o)
Tranmere fan here. Really well put together and enjoyable video. Good luck next season.
Great video! Love Bournemouth- gunner here. Glad you are back up where you belong
Bournemouth born Hampshire lad (yep that old) who somehow chose West Ham as his team at five years old but always attended Bournemouth matches from the early seventies onwards chanting ‘Come on Boscombe’ and hammering my feet on the wooden boards of the main grandstand when we played well. Seeing George Best and Charlie George playing for us albeit briefly. Watching the 2-0 win against Man U and having get get on the pitch after the gates were opened onto the terracing five mins before the end. Having bits of terracing thrown at us at Swindon, travelling to Exeter with my old man silently in the car the day after Karen Carpenter died and then watching us lose after leading. The wonderful promotion seasons. The Cherries gave me some unforgettable memories until I moved from the South in 92.
Throughout all this the crowds were never massive, it felt like there was more at the Speedway then Dean Court at times.
Hopefully, if the Cherries can establish themselves as a top twelve club in the Premiership year on year this could justify the outlay of a larger stadium.
Good video, I enjoyed that! Congratulations on promotion & I'll see you all at St James's Park ⚽️
Absolutely brilliantly put!!! Been saying it for years👌👌👌 team and club is more important than extra tickets
Quality video, enjoyed it and answered a lot of questions.
Great video .
Keep your club as it is the soul of the club is more important
Size isn't everything .
Great smaller club ,
Brilliant, thanks for putting things into perspective
Another great video and great to hear Jeff's take on the game keep up good work
This is really well researched. A good video. Well done
Great video mate. Genuinely informative. X
As a Toon fan happy to see the cherries back in the PL hopefully for more than one season obviously delighted with your old manager, Matt Ritchie will be available now the season is over.. not owning your ground is a big problem.
Wow, a GREAT video which will definitely be used for those who can’t see beyond the 11k !
Great video. Thanks for using my Travers clip.
this is a really brilliant and well put together video, I learnt alot about Bournemouth from it, congratulations and all the best this season
Thanks Dave! Hope to be collaborating with you later this season fingers crossed! Cheers, Sam
Dan good work this puts things unanswered into perspective 👏
Great Explanation of the current ground situation . 👍
This is great stuff, Sam, learnt a lot 🙃
Great video very interesting, as a life long Brentford fan good luck for the season ahead.
Little ol Bournemouth back in the big time 🍒
Decent video mate! a real eyeopener. Thanks.
I don't even support Bournemouth but watched all this video! I guess I was always curious why the stadium was so small.
We’ve seen a lot of clubs run into financial hardship rushing to expand their ground or build a new one once they get an influx of premier league cash. I’m glad that Bournemouth have been smart enough to avoid this pitfall, and focused on the results on the pitch instead. The rewards for sinking that much money into a new ground is just not worth the risk
Watched many games in the bottom leagues before leaving bournemouth and moving abroad, been wanting to take my son to a game but has been impossible to get tickets since our great promotion :( In the meantime discovered your channel and this is as close as i can get to watching a game, so... good stuff so thnx for that ;)
Loads of games went to general sale whilst in the championship could of got your points up
Tremendous explanation Sam. I don’t mind being seen as tinpot. We can get our ‘big club’ fix by going to away games in the big, PL stadia next season.
You stand more chance of getting a ticket if you go to an away game.
Very informative great video cheers 👍👍
Fair play mate, Liverpool fan here. Very good video that answered a question I'd been asking myself for a few years now. Love Bournemouth as a club given everything that has happened to you over the last 15 years or so. Will be cheering you on next season for sure (Except the 2 games against us of course!)
Great video really enjoyed it
Stockport County fan here - Edgeley Park's capacity is approx 10.5k and we filled it in the 5th tier! We're lucky to have a wealthy new owner who's looking to up the capacity to 20k. I hope Bournemouth do increase capacity however they can, as the fans will come if the football is good! Good luck for next season - I genuinely hope you stay up. Maybe we'll play you again, next time in the Premier League? ;) You're a beacon of hope for all smaller clubs.
Tbh the area of Bournemouth and surrounding is half a million. We should be a Championship club based on that alone.
Oh man such a good video. Hope ill see a game from dean court soon.
Wonderful breakdown for someone who lives in Texas! Thank you!! Go Cherries 🍒🍒🍒🍒🍒
Thanks for a great video Sam. Well thought out and well argued. Personally, I agree that an academy rates over a new stadium (much as I would love to lay my hands on a season ticket after quite a few years relying on points to get tickets). We have seen this last season what the fruits of the academy can bring - potentially there’s a good return on investment there. Let’s face it, in the tv era the size of the ground is far from the biggest determinant of revenue. BUT I don’t think this question can be ducked forever. The size of our ground does denote our “temporary” status in the PL. Only a bigger ground will spell out our ambition, the time may not be right now but it can’t be postponed forever. The size - surely we’re only talking about 20k, 25h max. Hope I get to see it. Up the Cherries!
Why not more than 25k you’ll still sell out in the prem, 35k etc.
That was a great insight. I totally understand thinking about new training ground before relocation, and reliance of being in premier league. But I would have thought expansion would lead to 4K extra attendance in prem, and 2k extra in championship, considering Bournemouth averaged around 10k in championship in the past, 9k last season. So as relocation is not feasible until Bournemouth are established as a premier league club for like a decade, surely, even if it’s limited benefit, expansion will benefit as it would likely take minimum 15-20 years to relocate so you would pay back 9-10m expenditure in that period with room to spare and the cash leftover can be reinvested.
Great video, even spotted my van in the car park!
Great video and an excellent explanation of the situation. I am a Norwich City fan living in Dorset and it seems that the 2 clubs have had very different approaches to using their Premier League earnings. As you rightly point out AFCB have spent a lot of money on transfer fees and wages to attract players who can keep you in the PL. Norwich have tried (twice) without success to survive in the Premier League with a very strict policy on transfers and with a strict salary cap of sorts (i think the only exception being Pukki who we signed on a free). Where Norwich have spent money is on their academy and training facilities which used to be a joke but are now world class. As a club without any billionaires backing us we have relied heavily on developing our own talent and selling them on i.e. Jamal Lewis, Nathan Redmond, Ben Godfrey, The Murphy Twins, James Maddison etc.
I hope that if AFCB do get another prolonged spell in the PL that they invest in a bigger ground. Not least because getting tickets as an away supporter when my team are playing just down the road is a flippin' nightmare!!
The club have just said (9th June) that work is restarting on the training ground at Canford Magna, 👍⚽. I was there at the Valley when the Cherries went up the first time, heres hoping for many more years in the top flight
Excellent! Thank you for that.
Very good analysis of the past and present situation. And I got to see my house twice......which was nice 🤣
As a bolton fan its always good to see a small club doing well. To be able to attract the right players facilities is a must these days. Initially I would re develop 2 stands a bit like Stoke have a 2 sided tier which will add 7.5k in gates and won't cost an arm and a leg.
A very well made film. Good work.
Good video, lots of issues there. Sounds like the club needs to be confident in it's playing abilities or it will keep saying 'dare we go for it?' season after season and not get anywhere. My club Huddersfield spent a large proportion of our Premier League money on training ground improvements. We have the stadium and the training facilities, now for the playing side to go one step further and give the PL another bash. Hey at least your stadium isn't like Lutons. I worked there in the eighties and they were 'making plans' for a new stadium then, look how that turned out!
Great topic! A subject close to my heart this - if we don’t expand when we are in the Prem again then really no one really cares - apart from the fans - of having any great legacy for the club!
Did you watch Sam's video? If you did, I suggest that you watch it again and concentrate a bit more!
@@NeilWeedon No that was my initial comment before I have a chance to watch this video!
@@winglam12 Watch the video! 🙂
@@NeilWeedon yeah just seen it. I know exactly where Sam is coming from, however I think it is better that we can accommodate more local supporters to become lifelong fans like us! For instance, even when we dropped to the Championship we are nearly sold out every game post pandemic - and so younger generations or new locals would have become a larger fan base for the future!
Along the way we will grow as a club - literally and metaphorically.
@@winglam12 That would be a good thing but as Sam explained in the video, it isn't as straightforward as just saying "let's build a stadium"
Wow this video was insane 👏
Great stuff sam.surely our PR man if we had one could sweet talk the council into more thsn 15 000 fans if we bought the ground back.went to the dell many times in the 70 .s with 15 000.there.structadean not nice.how long is our lease left sam !!!.im not sure.paul from oz...
Excellent vlog!
Really enjoyed this blog very interesting
This is a great explanation
A brilliant video sam I think it be best to build training ground first
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Great video!
Very interesting video, one good thing about having a 12k capacity stadium in the prem is that it’s really unique and stands out a lot more compared to other premier league stadiums, but I do actually know why people are complaining about how small our stadium is because new AFCB fans will find it hard to get to their first AFCB game especially if your like me who lives a 4 hour drive (and a 7/8 hour train journey) away from Bournemouth and only gets to visit the seaside town once a year due to train tickets being expensive (even with my 16-17 saver railcard) and accommodation being just as expensive as I tend to stay at a hostel in Swanage and the prices are £60-80/night and it quickly gets fully booked. However, I do know that sometimes, tickets go on general sale if customers refund their tickets but this is usually done on very short notice hence why I focus on going to away games as I find it a lot easy to get a ticket for away games and I was lucky enough to attend the Coventry away game on Easter Monday and I’m hoping to attend more games in the 22/23 season. I also want to say that the idea of a new training ground will impact our club for the better and I feel having a bigger stadium would be recommended once we become more successful than ever such as when we compete in the champions league or any other European competition, I actually remembered when I starting watching Bournemouth when I was 13 we were in the top 6 of the premier league and I wonder how things would’ve been if it stayed like that.
Grimsby fan here saying firstly, a great well presented video that I fully enjoyed. I have tracked the clubs story since your rise to the top league! It is a sad affair that somewhat mirrors our plight in the north east in as much as some councils seem less than useless in trying to help their local professional team find a new home! I'm not talking cash investments here but, just the desire to find some useful pocket of land to develop! Our non journey has raged on for 30+ years and no closer to anything thus far! I have always loved my away days at Dean Court and your current stadium configuration is very very smart! I wish you all the best for your next adventure! 😊👏👏👏
really interesting video, well made
Interesting video. 👍
Though I'm puzzled how you think the Canford training ground would be better than Southampton's Staplewood. Saints have spent £40m+ upgrading Staplewood and are about to invest further into it. Planning permission granted for further extension and building should soon be underway.
I think the first set of plans produced were to rival it. Obviously everything is a moving target. We have lost 2 years of premier league money in that time so who knows what the spend will be.
Better is certainly stretch, but Staplewood should be the target Bournemouth is aiming for in terms of a training ground
What's 'notorious' about Staplewood?
Really excellent. Thanks!
Brilliant presentation! Our small venue can be liked to Wrigley Field of MLB, essentially a throwback and vital in today’s money grabbing PL! Good for the soul to experience a match and should be a cherish bucket list item. UTC from Michigan 🍒
Point well made and thank you for the insight.
No one cares about the States
your lamps creases me up man !
Really enjoyed this - I live in Poole, trying to get tickets for the prem league games is like looking for rocking horse shit.
Great video Sam! As a supporter living overseas and not near as close to the club as you, I’ve been wondering why we can’t get a bigger stadium. The clubs PL status is more important than the stadiums capacity. Up the cherries!🍒
Seems to me the owner has the right idea, now they could move Ahead with the training ground.I’ve been often and it’s a lovely ground with great fans.
Im sure a site on the old Iford golf course was once one area singled out for a possible new stadium.
Points well made I am always pleased to see relativley small clubs pushing above their weight I was dissapointed to see the pheonyx Wimbledon be relegated. I have never been a fan of the 'Premier '. Though I follow an under achieving 'big club' Aston Villa this is due to they being my original local club. Sometimes I wish Iived in in Walsal instead of Aston [when starting an interest in football ].
The way I see it is that there would be no point in building anything of around 30000 because we wouldn't fill it.
We look to Brighton as an example but they're catchment area ranges from Chichester all the way to Kent, they are a bigger club.
I don't know if it's possible to come to an agreement with the owners over knocking down the temporary stand and putting a decent one there as there is room behind it.
15000 would be good for us I think.
I believe we still own the land where the Ted Mac is so that wouldn't be an issue.
You are better than that
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@@markriley322 what have Derby County got to do with this?,they are clearly very important to you as well as their 30,000 supporters
Build it and they will come said the Romans. Facilities attract. Half of the possible fans can't get in. Just ask the ticket manager how many want to get in
Great video 🙂
Great video
I think If structadene only wanted 9 million for the ground we would have bought it back a long time ago, this is the biggest obstacle
I agree, Sam did say that those estimates were conservative. I'm not itk in any way but when we hit the PL Structadene decided to value the stadium on our income as opposed the actual value. After all no-one else is gonna buy it, captive market means charge whatever you want
@@cockbeard our lease is up soon too. Rent will go up. If we could get it back + fill in the sides for £10 million then I think we would have done it. Stuctadene can't do anything about building on the site. No houses allowed. Think something will happen if we manage to stay up this season
@@youjoker9647 we own the south stand, we were going to expand it to five thousand but for some reason didn’t, when the ground was sold, they bought three sides, goal line back is ours at the south stand end, we owned all that land at one time and Phillips sold it all, Abdul Jaffa our previous chairman bought two houses in thistlebarrow avenue, so they could be knocked down for a new entrance into the ground and expand out to where there are now houses, he got shafted by Phillips and the houses became that new estate behind the east stand. It could of been so different but money came before our club.
Interesting stuff. You’ve still a better premier league legacy than my Blackpool team
The Leicester fan in 1:00 can’t talk when I remember the days when I went to that ground to tick off the 92 grounds 12 years ago when they couldn’t even fill half of their ground
The problem with Bournemouth being PL club is it’s very difficult to attend all 19 away games we tend to struggle to get tickets to Bournemouth away due to the low allocation. For Bournemouth fans I’m sure you can go to all 19 should you wish.
What’s crazy to me is how notts county in 5th division playing non-league football have an almost 20k stadium.. obviously that’s a bit of an anomaly but it just goes to show how well supported football is in this country with stadiums of that size all the way down in div 5.
We own the ted Mac stand, from the goal line back it’s ours, when peter Phillips sold the ground we only had three sides or they’d own it all. We should concentrate on expanding the south stand for now, at the most we need a 18,000 stadium built to a plan so it can be expanded if need be. The bigger the stadium, the more away fans we will get. I know last season you went to a lot of grounds for the first time, what would be useful is if you supplied fans with parking advice, what pubs welcome away fans, where a pub you can mix with home fans, so many great places to go, but our fans aren’t told, if you need help with this let me know, over the years of going away year after year, week after week you make a lot of friends, just be helpful as you can spread the word.
I know it's not the fans fault but it is really frustrating that I can never get a ticket and no disrespect but if the away end capacity doesn't increase I hope that you go down.
Bournemouth are punching way above their weight even in the championship league 2 club with that stadium its only their sugar daddy that's keeping them afloat
Might want to check your information about Huddersfield. PL was 24k, then 19/20 in the championship was 21.7k.
This is the season average, which does misconstrue figures admittedly because of Covid. However the average drop off from PL is usually 25-30%.
@@afcbpodcast Yeah fair enough
Always remember Darlington, on pitch and finance now glamorous infrastructure later.
You could terrace one side that wo7@: increase capacity or just have smaller seats lol surely you can modernise the ground by giving it a kick of paint and reseating etc that wouldn’t cost much
Summed up: putting the cost of infrastructure development to one side, the additional revenue from doubling or even trebling capacity is a drop in the ocean compared to the revenue from TV. The supporters are not important in this ridiculous TV money model. Realistically, they are only in the stadium to add to the theatre of the product - Live TV football. The fans are not part of the business plan.
They should at least build a bigger temporary stand behind the goal. Those temporary stands cost a pittance to dismantle and erect, and that’d take the capacity up an extra couple of thousand.
Fascinating look into Football finances.
So we're prepared to buy Philips for 15mill but we can't buy and develop the stadium for 10
It is short sighted not to hook the available fans while the going is good, yes you get those who only want to see EPL football but getting more people in regularly builds the core support - the guys who stick with it through thin and thin. Bournemouth will not be a fixture in the Prem but they can still more than fill an 11 grand stadium. My own club (Sheff Utd) built the support from mid teens to way over 20 grand by filling the ground (reasonably priced ticketing and a little success) it's produced that permanent support. It needs to be done, it won't make you a footballing power but it will elevate Bournemouth from third tier to top second tier (facilities) which is the foothold you need for when the sugar daddy won't pay any more.
If Luton went up we'd of had a capacity of 10,300 and 250 of it is for partition and definitely cannot be increased capacity. Good news though Luton have a 23,000 capacity stadium nearing being built 💪 and tjos could be expanded further if ever needed
What type of capacity could Bournemouth fill? I don't really know much about the area and population etc. Seems like a decent small town family club though.
The catchment area population is close to 500k so 20k would do fine
It has a large catchment but not a big fan base.
@@user-zy9yg2eu5t that is true but potential to grown if the club is successful
They’re right . Just the council ( BCP ) population is about 400,000 with smallish satellite towns Broadstone, Wimborne, Verwood , West Moors , Ringwood , NewMilton taking it near to 500,000 - but it’s still a popular Retirement Zone from London & surrounding counties so they’d need to appeal to the old boys & girls whom miss White Hart Lane , Vicarage Rd or Stamford Bridge etc ( or whatever those grounds are now called ) 😁👍
I wish they would increase their capacity. I'm a Spurs fan who just cannot ever get a ticket for Bournemouth when we travel there.
But a very informative and interesting video.
Congratulations to you on getting back to the Premiership. Your club faces many of the same problems as Pompey did , we had lots of money wasted on pretty pictures of new grounds which were nothing more than a joke. It took lots of fans chipping in a grand to eventually save the club . Seems like yours is being sensible at the moment - quality of football apart - the Premiership is more like showbiz than sport .
Us Manchester United fans have been wondering the same thing for years . The lack of investment in Old Trafford ove current years is worrying
I would imagine as the land for the training ground is paid for already i would imagine the build cost to be around 10 million . Once built surely the old training ground is big enough to fit a 25-30k seat stadium ? Look at Leicester as an example and expansion of their new stadium Brighton are another club who need stadium expansion . Prolonged existence in the premier league means over time a 30k stadium will be filled every week with a waiting list for season tickets . Not expanding the ground is just small team mentality
I'll have a piece of the consortium. you know where to find me!
As a wolves fan I’m glad to see you back but as an away fan I hate your ground and think you should made to host 1,500 away fans at a minimum in the premier league. As an away season ticket holder you ground is the biggest headache of the season