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Finally something that I own. 1 small correction: voice reserve doesn’t limit the polyphony to 80. it is used when the MC-707 is running out of polyphony and then it will cut out only notes that are NOT reserved. But you still can have 128.
I'm still hitting some odd voice stealing behaviour in certain cases even when setting voice reserve. It's really annoying - most of the time I can fix it by getting rid of partials that don't matter but other times I've had to give up on using certain patches (or had to sample them). Otherwise it's a great box.
I've been making albums with the 707 since I got it. It's the brain of my operation. It receives and sends all sorts of midi signal, and all my instruments get fed into a line mixer. Love this device.
I just bought a MC707 some weeks ago and I am really happy. I don't feel that there is too much of menu diving. But I have been a Reason user for many years, creeping at the backside of the rack, pulling countless amounts of cables and creating mind twisting combinator patches. Than I lost my inspiration and had an musical lockdown for nearly 10 years. Now the MC707 brings me some joy and I do not feel like its limits are frustrating to me. They are much more inspiring.🤟😄
I’ve been seriously considering the 707 now that I see it isn’t just a step based forced pocket machine I might try it out. Especially since the ones I’ve seen actually sound better than the new fantoms like the Juno ds
@@lionelluney3063 Go for it! 😁 The MC 707 can be step based if you want it to be. But also it is so easy to open it up. When recording the output of my midi keyboard the sequencer feels very "seamless". At first I feared that there aren't enough ticks between the notes, but as I said you can play quite good between the beats. Considering sound I can't talk about the presets because I was never a preset user. But there are some surprisingly good patches of Rhodes, Wurlitzer or grand pianos (at least in my ears). Designing synth sounds feels very easy flowing for me and I don't miss the flexibility of the Reason rack, even if the MC707 only has some lower flexibility. I really like the sound of the oscillators and there are some great litle tools to give them an analog feel without any effort.
I bought one a couple of weeks ago also. I can't decide if I'll learn to love it like the TR8s, or actually hate it. On the face of it, it's exactly what I want performance/jam wise, but the reality is I don't love the sounds, I hate the convoluted sound design, the C encoders are flimsy, the display is awful, and the pads are pretty bad even at the highest sensitivity. But I did't click with the TR for a year or so, and then suddenly I got it and will never sell it. I bought it used though, and I guess for what I paid it's worth giving it more of a chance.
@@FiveFeetDeep I have owned a 707 for a long time. I turned off the pad sensitivity… could never get the dynamics I wanted… but also don’t have the problem when I attach a keyboard. Honestly I still use it all the time. Works great with other gear as a sampling source or to do dawless stuff or as a sound module w/ daw.
In my humble opinion, MC707 excels at though is making techno. You can crank real, inhumane techno sounds in mere minutes and you can just jam along for hours. And it pairs well with TR8S and MX-1. It's also a good sound module for way better sequencers. What this thing needs is an editor program, similar to what TR8S has. Composing or setting up anything musical with that tiny screen is absolute misery, and being able to prep the unit for live performance on a computer would be a godsend. But alas, I'm not holding my breath.
I dunno….using the scene mode 2 chaining together clips and adding motion for builds and variation then adding scatter on the fly allows for some pretty fun live performance…maybe!? I like it anyway😅
The different pad modes easily make up for it. set up your chords, set up a scale and just record it live. no editing needed. even if you need a few takes to get it right it's still faster than sitting there and editing the notes on a screen.
Hey it's my main workhorse finally :D Now nearly my entire hardware rig has had Bad Gear episodes made about it. Thank god I recently finished building a DIY Norns build otherwise I'd be worried. After a little over a year with the MC-707 I still think it has the best synth engine going in the groovebox world. There's something very nice about having a flagship synth engine in a groovebox form factor. Now if only Roland would stop being afraid of any post 90's display tech. Okay now for some actual tips, setting voice reserve to zero for all tracks disables the voice reserve feature entirely and for me has personally almost always fixed voice stealing issues. I've also noticed the timing issue is hit and miss between units oddly enough but I usually use the more stable master clock on my TR8S as clock and tempo lead/set. And yeah that UI can be clunky as fuck but eh something had to give putting an engine like Zen Core in a form factor like that and still glad I went with the MC-707 over the MC-101.
I love the MC-707. I own several grooveboxes, with the MC-707 and the Syntakt being my two favourites. It might be blasphemy to diehard Elektron fans, but I really prefer the MC-707. It has polyphony, it can sample and loop, it has 8 line faders, it has tons of effects and compressors. I wish Elektron came out with something like this, but they always seem to limit their gear on purpose to make you buy more machines - and as long as Elektron does that, the Roland MC-707 will be my favourite standalone instrument. 🤍
First they came for the Timbre Wolfs and I did not speak up for I had no Timbre Wolf. Then they came for the Digitakts and I did not speak up for I had no Digitakt. Then they came for the MC 707...and the rest is history. Waaaah! 😭 😂😂😂
I'm awaiting delivery of a rhythm wolf since watching Florian's video. It'll be my first from machine outside of a pocket operator rhythm or office. Thanks to the bad gear episode, I thought I'd try out some janky stuff first before I play with better equipment to see how I get on with them all and how they compare. I have low expectations after watching the video, but managed to find one at a very reasonable price online... ...I'd not be sad to see your unit on here, since Florian had covered some good bits of kit now too!
Love the video, and humorous critique. Initially I had a love and hate relationship with the MC-707. When I first bought it, I was constantly comparing it to my MC-909. I was starting to feel like I should have just repaired my MC-909, instead of buying the MC-707. Then I started to see the MC-707 as it's own thing, and decided to stop comparing the two machines, and stop thinking about what was missing from the MC-707. Now I love it pieces. I still hate the how the LFO's are limited to 4bars max in the patches, and 2bars max in the FX... but I'd rather be on the MC-707 making music instead of using a DAW.
No, no, no, no, NO!!! I knew this was coming after the 101 and TR-8S videos. This is my centrepiece!! ...and I still can't do anything more than about 8 bars with it. 😭😆
@@ET2carbon agreed! And it’s smaller too! I do want the thr tr8s just for the drums but I have come across a second hand mc707 for half price. But I should wait for a used tr8s to come up. Otherwise it’s overkill. The only thing I like about the mc707’, mv1 and tr8s is the amount of tracks you have running through a mixer. Big fan of the zen core. Some of the samples are just wonderful.
MY BABY!! It's pretty damn perfect in many ways. You can do so much with it. I've had it for years and I don't pretend to understand all the features. The scatter is great, the sound shaping is deep and the step sequencer can do some fun things. Chord mode is great, really flexible. It's a damn workstation in a box. You'll need to beef up the sounds with a bit of tweak and I never once found a BASS on this sucker that I like after all these years. The random patch feature is fun but useless in the end. I'll absolutely buy the next gen if they make some improvements. I want kits and I'd like the sampler to be a bit less annoying to use. Overall, a budget masterpiece if you consider the current used prices.
My favourite bit of music tech is the MC707. Once you learn the shortcuts and all the tricks it’s the fastest way to put tracks together without being stuck in front of a computer. Give it a few weeks of daily use and all becomes clear.
MC 707 Its by far the most powerful "groovebox" and affordable tool from any other ones available plus, it comes with the Zencore library. Maybe MPC force is also one of them
This synth engine gave me many satisfactions while learning to use, it is very pleasent to use the nobs and the sequencer to program tracks, discover sounds and playing with them. This synth with a good midi keyboard it is a good match. Cheers
@@AudioPilz I have one, I love it and use it a lot, still I totally agree with your comments about it! especially the voice stealing and extremely vanilla boring preset sounds (drums above all)
Roland VERSELAB MV-1 must be on the hit list. I watched the live release in horror as some hip-hop producer who had clearly not done his homework dissed his way through the functions and more or less said his old MPC was so much better. 😂
I have the MC 101 but still want the 707.. I tried it out in a music shop once and got lost in a world of my own! having all those tracks and those tracks having faders is perfect for groove box... sure you can make whole songs if you can be arsed with that matrix but grooveboxes are best when you just jam out.
…. So now after much EBay lurkage I have “won”/bought a newish 707 for 400 sheets!.. given the 101 is around 300-350 on the bay I think I got a good deal… even if don’t really need it 🤣 GAS is a real bummer!
Hey finally a piece of gear I had and didn't like! My main problem was the combo of menu diving plus the tiny screen plus the odd viewing angle of said tiny screen. For hobbyists like me the whole point of hardware is to be hands on. If I'm going to have to meticulously assign knob functions and build my tracks out on a screen... why wouldn't I just use a DAW with a better screen and have more tracks, more effects, more... everything and then just spend the time to assign the knobs on my controller? This product just felt so confused. Great video as always though!
Amazing episode for me. This is the most attractive gear to me since its launch. Sort of a Classic, but I think I could do good and genuine performance with. Also the sampler aspect i'd like to learn about (not in my normal way). Your third demo is so nice, and convincing. Thank you for your communicative smile Florian ! Oops, just : Zen core is fabulous for me, quality, pleasure. Love Roland !
Same here! Had the 707 and now i am on the force and mpc … my main complain was playing a controller keyboard and adjusting wrong notes or pedals that the mc707 dis not get. On the force or mpc is much easier with the multitouch screen and bars. Miss the roland sounds so i bought a mc101 only to get the 3000 available sounds.
@@AudioPilz oh we definitely need a bad gear force episode, its like the forgotten redheaded step child of akai that is simultaneously infuriating to work with but amazing for its capabilities when you do get it to work right.....until you run out of ram
The 707 is an awesome piece of kit. I use 2 of them for my Techno Live Set and this allows me to carry heaps less gear and have heaps of options available. The voice management is not as bad as you have said. I have had my units since they were released and only had to replace 1 channel fader so far.
I have one and only use it from time to time ...And everytime, when i listen some forgotten tracks i can't deny Roland sounds, stand out in a mix compare to over brands or gear ...with a little help of distortion and compression
Because it actually has everything in one box and I'm high fidelity. Crazy thing is, all of this can be done using Roland Cloud zen beats, no need to spend $700. It's zen-core engine it's also in the verselab mv1 if you want all the sounds for over half the cost in hardware
First thing I ever bought was an MC707. Sold and bought too much gear since then, and I’m currently looking for another one. It was the best hardware device I’ve ever owned but was too much of a novice to realise it at the time. Nothing can do as much as this except the MPC One. I make pop and synthpop too, so it’s not limited genre-wise.
Spending the time to eq all the tracks a little and dial in the master compressor make a huge difference using this thing live! I love what it offers as a production tool i just hate the process of editing things. Plus for something that retails new for $999 it's pretty flimsy feeling. First thing i did was get a deck saver for it before bringing it anywhere because i do not trust that the knobs or faders will hold up to any kind of impact.
I just bought my 2nd MC 707 last week after 3 years of 8 hour a day punishment on m O.G. had worn it down 👇 quite a bit but nothing a servicing would've fix i just couldn't resist the 72 Zen Core Soundpacks and v.1.8 the one on Ebay was offering 😮i can Honestly say i couldn't function without my 707 as it controls all my 17 other bit of Hardware and is an Amazing sequencer and FX unit for my other synths, i could go on endefinitly about it's good points and really struggle to think of anything Negative about it. It Truly is a Wonderful piece of Kit ❤❤❤❤😊Jaffa Jenkins Dawless jams 😊
@@milk_bath I have the 101 also and it is great. The sounds are amazing and it does what I need for my genre. I combine it with tb-3 and jdxi mixed with mx-1. What more could a rave head like me need.
Brain of my setup. Sequencing 4 or 5 external synths. The lack of row insert on the pattern grid is dismal, the voice stealing is a bitch, the pad velocity response is shite but I still love it... Going to use it exclusively now to sequence 6 tracks of my Access Virus C in multimode and have a spare Zencore internal track and 1 to sequence the TR-8S.
Great review! I have one - used to once in 3 years lol - I totally agree with your main points: 1) xen core = lacklustre 2) workflow is ok until u have to menu dive. It looks great tho, plenty of controls and colours, display sucks. I'll probably remember I have one in 10yrs time and fire it up again :)
Owned one of these. Roland and other manufacturers don't seem to realize that out-of-DAW devices like these need to compete with DAWs and modern tools/plugins. And the inconsistencies: metering (poorly) on one compressor effect, but not others. Oh, and the voice stealing: the 707 has only one CPU, same as 101. Which makes the 101 the better choice as it only has four tracks. But start layering partials/chords and you can easily get voice stealing with 2-3 tracks. They need to start realizing that it's not the 70s anymore and you dont need to start with a fixed budget and work from that, but work back from what user needs, every 707 owner I talked would happily pay double the price for a box that's actually finished.
As a multi-timbral synth for external sequencing, there's very little that can touch it. Combatting polyphony issues is time consuming, but dumping channels out to a sample and then loading a load of them into a drumkit allows you to have several songs in the bank at once.
Owned this thing for a year and a half and all i will say is… the fact that the interface is like a small midi controller for mixing rather than an actual instrument is totally baffling. It made me want my old MC505 back. Made some cool stuff on it, but it was an uphill battle.
I am unlikely to evrer use an MC 707 but the memes on this were especially strong. Nick with "It has PWM, right?" and then the "Famous compser, Jean Michel Jarre..." Oh my god! Hilarious. You got some very good sounds out of this machine, particularly with the downtempo dub techno .
Excellent as always! This time's suggestion is something that probably won't make it to the show. Presently YAMAHA GS1 exists in two software forms: as Xils Lab Kaox plugin, what has absolutely nothing to do with the original, and even does without the world famous ENS effect! The more authentic one is the sample-based/modelled version GS-V by ikmultimedia. It were extemely interesting to hear/see how you integrate the latter in your musical workflow & most of all how that would sound.
Have you looked into the M8 tracker? I think it's in a really good state right now and would be a fun episode to do. I'd also suggest looking into LSDJ, the tracker application for the Gameboy that the M8's interface is primarily based on. It feels like the M8 was specifically designed for chiptune producers that wanted to get into more contemporary electronic music production.
love my 707! Workflow is easy and Roland has given us great updates. BUT With a 707, Digitakt, Digitone, TR-8s and Analog Heat Mk2 i promise you'll cook hard, sure it's all expensive but you can't wagu beef for the price of a Mcdonald's Big mac.
This seems like a good gateway drug into hardware for people previously stuck in a DAW. The menu diving might not be ideal but there are enough buttons and sliders to accomplish giving a taste of why hardware controls on synths are always superior than fussing around with a mouse or trackpad. Also, Kaspersky still detects roland cloud as malware
The thing that strikes me as odd on this device, that even with so many buttons and sliders at your disposal, you never feel you have the right parameters mapped to those buttons.
Well, Well, Well... here I was thinking "Florian hasn't featured my beloved MC707 because it's actually Good Gear, right?" . wrong and I knew the truth in my heart. The biggest buggaboo for my taste that you left out was the limited user sample/looper time without tedious workarounds.
Things that were missing that would've been nice-to-have >> - adjustable overdrive in the filter with different types (hard, soft, fold, etc.), - in addition to the 8 instrument tracks, would've been great to have 8 MIDI tracks as well - dual project loading like in the Hapax to seamlessly transition from one project to the next (I don't understand why everyone designs their system with the "one project = one song" principle) - even a basic sidechain that could've been triggered by audio or MIDI
I have my Roland fanboy membership card as well lol 🤣 Yet it was not until I acquired a Fantom 07 late 2023 did I finally begin to appreciate how Roland allows users to construct scenes etc. Until then, I was completely lost on every device that had scenes except the MC-707! Thanks for bringing us home with this video and exposing the redundacy no matter how much Roland Kool-Aid we have consumed lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Best thing hands on controllabilty, eqs everywhere, fxs amount. Worst thing timing issues in fact. But I love this machine for live performance with its ableton like clip grid, master multiband comp, and connectivity. By the way you can record motion while holding the motion rec button, without needing to activate it.
Last time when I was watching your Roland TR8S episode after that I just bought it, this time money ran out 😅 but I will buy it any way like any other gear that you review it here from Roland Aira, again grate episode men, High 5 from Poland 🎉
Ah cool you made the 707 video! I sold mine in the end but as a sound module I think it’s really useful, I just prefer my iPad/Digitakt combo. I’d love to see a video from you on the iPad as a modular groovebox, its really awesome for just not being a slave to the workflow of a dedicated hardware device but I guess that statement puts the topic in DAW territory. Curious, what’s your most go to setup for when you’re chilling and just want to jam for a couple of hours, the one that you leave set up and is always good to go?
I just realized the 707 is the modern progeny of the MV8000 line. This almost makes me want one. And you should definitely look into getting the MV8000 or 8800 on the channel. They are somewhere between a DAW and an MPC but somehow worse than either
Dang now I’m missing my 101. The woovebox is gone too, a great little machine but put off by the steep learning curve. Well it was going to be a 707 or an MPC one and I went AKAI ward, ho hum. Now that you mention it the 707 (and the 101) are well overdue a refresh.
Oh man!!! I’ve been waiting on this one! I think I requested it more than once. Please make the price go up so I can sell mine 🤣. I do love it tho. Except for the UI and workflow and all 🤣🤣🤣
So something fun i just remembered is that the Nintendo DSi and 3DS both can be used as samplers via the built-in music player. Would be fun to see you try making use of them!
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The "3000 years ago" one?
Thank you so much!!! Nice one!!!
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Finally something that I own. 1 small correction: voice reserve doesn’t limit the polyphony to 80. it is used when the MC-707 is running out of polyphony and then it will cut out only notes that are NOT reserved. But you still can have 128.
Thanks for the heads up!!!
I'm still hitting some odd voice stealing behaviour in certain cases even when setting voice reserve. It's really annoying - most of the time I can fix it by getting rid of partials that don't matter but other times I've had to give up on using certain patches (or had to sample them). Otherwise it's a great box.
I've been making albums with the 707 since I got it. It's the brain of my operation. It receives and sends all sorts of midi signal, and all my instruments get fed into a line mixer. Love this device.
Nice!!!
What mixer do you use btw?
@@markuskoivisto Samson SM10!
@@MiskoSchaumovthanks! Got myself one too to pair up with my Mc-707 and synths. Works a charm!
I just bought a MC707 some weeks ago and I am really happy. I don't feel that there is too much of menu diving. But I have been a Reason user for many years, creeping at the backside of the rack, pulling countless amounts of cables and creating mind twisting combinator patches. Than I lost my inspiration and had an musical lockdown for nearly 10 years. Now the MC707 brings me some joy and I do not feel like its limits are frustrating to me. They are much more inspiring.🤟😄
Nice!!!
I’ve been seriously considering the 707 now that I see it isn’t just a step based forced pocket machine I might try it out. Especially since the ones I’ve seen actually sound better than the new fantoms like the Juno ds
@@lionelluney3063 Go for it! 😁 The MC 707 can be step based if you want it to be. But also it is so easy to open it up. When recording the output of my midi keyboard the sequencer feels very "seamless". At first I feared that there aren't enough ticks between the notes, but as I said you can play quite good between the beats. Considering sound I can't talk about the presets because I was never a preset user. But there are some surprisingly good patches of Rhodes, Wurlitzer or grand pianos (at least in my ears). Designing synth sounds feels very easy flowing for me and I don't miss the flexibility of the Reason rack, even if the MC707 only has some lower flexibility. I really like the sound of the oscillators and there are some great litle tools to give them an analog feel without any effort.
I bought one a couple of weeks ago also. I can't decide if I'll learn to love it like the TR8s, or actually hate it. On the face of it, it's exactly what I want performance/jam wise, but the reality is I don't love the sounds, I hate the convoluted sound design, the C encoders are flimsy, the display is awful, and the pads are pretty bad even at the highest sensitivity. But I did't click with the TR for a year or so, and then suddenly I got it and will never sell it. I bought it used though, and I guess for what I paid it's worth giving it more of a chance.
@@FiveFeetDeep I have owned a 707 for a long time. I turned off the pad sensitivity… could never get the dynamics I wanted… but also don’t have the problem when I attach a keyboard. Honestly I still use it all the time. Works great with other gear as a sampling source or to do dawless stuff or as a sound module w/ daw.
In my humble opinion, MC707 excels at though is making techno. You can crank real, inhumane techno sounds in mere minutes and you can just jam along for hours. And it pairs well with TR8S and MX-1. It's also a good sound module for way better sequencers.
What this thing needs is an editor program, similar to what TR8S has. Composing or setting up anything musical with that tiny screen is absolute misery, and being able to prep the unit for live performance on a computer would be a godsend. But alas, I'm not holding my breath.
Agreed!!!
You are suppose to use Zenology Pro, the MC-707 use the zencore engine, but you have to transfer your sounds using the SD card. yeah, janky.
I dunno….using the scene mode 2 chaining together clips and adding motion for builds and variation then adding scatter on the fly allows for some pretty fun live performance…maybe!? I like it anyway😅
The different pad modes easily make up for it. set up your chords, set up a scale and just record it live. no editing needed. even if you need a few takes to get it right it's still faster than sitting there and editing the notes on a screen.
Pair it up with a launchpad pro and set it up in custom to manage all the scenes so it is an ableton clip launcher
Well, now it’s official, EVERY piece of gear I have and have had has been featured on this show.
Bad Gear Bingo FTW!!!
Every time I think this, he features another piece of gear I forgot I had sitting around.
I’m hanging on to the hope that he can’t possibly include the original Wavestation and Yamaha AN1X. 😂
Moog Rogue still not here! CZ101? Haha!
@@mog068 I have a CZ101 too! 😂
Hey it's my main workhorse finally :D Now nearly my entire hardware rig has had Bad Gear episodes made about it. Thank god I recently finished building a DIY Norns build otherwise I'd be worried. After a little over a year with the MC-707 I still think it has the best synth engine going in the groovebox world. There's something very nice about having a flagship synth engine in a groovebox form factor. Now if only Roland would stop being afraid of any post 90's display tech.
Okay now for some actual tips, setting voice reserve to zero for all tracks disables the voice reserve feature entirely and for me has personally almost always fixed voice stealing issues. I've also noticed the timing issue is hit and miss between units oddly enough but I usually use the more stable master clock on my TR8S as clock and tempo lead/set. And yeah that UI can be clunky as fuck but eh something had to give putting an engine like Zen Core in a form factor like that and still glad I went with the MC-707 over the MC-101.
Thanks for the heads up!!! Nice technique!!!
I wouldn't call recycled JV sounds a "flagship synth engine" in 2024.
@@albee8642 Preset is not synth engine. You can make custom sound on this synth.
I love the MC-707. I own several grooveboxes, with the MC-707 and the Syntakt being my two favourites. It might be blasphemy to diehard Elektron fans, but I really prefer the MC-707. It has polyphony, it can sample and loop, it has 8 line faders, it has tons of effects and compressors. I wish Elektron came out with something like this, but they always seem to limit their gear on purpose to make you buy more machines - and as long as Elektron does that, the Roland MC-707 will be my favourite standalone instrument. 🤍
I always love his little Kermit wave at the start
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Holy crap, I will never not see that now.
Audiofrog! 🐸
damn now someone has to make a looping gif of the kermit wave.
Kermit wave? I thought he was formerly an aircraft carrier catapult crewman.
Knobs, button, faders.
Thanks for attending my Ted talk.
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This is a great machine. It has a sampler & classic roland drum kits & synths. Underrated !!
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@@AudioPilz Thanks 🙂
not for long。。。
Everything Roland releases has all the classics. JDXI for example
No gear is safe. The world is safer. Long Live Bad Gear
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Yes Lord!!!
First they came for the Timbre Wolfs and I did not speak up for I had no Timbre Wolf.
Then they came for the Digitakts and I did not speak up for I had no Digitakt.
Then they came for the MC 707...and the rest is history. Waaaah! 😭
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I'm awaiting delivery of a rhythm wolf since watching Florian's video. It'll be my first from machine outside of a pocket operator rhythm or office.
Thanks to the bad gear episode, I thought I'd try out some janky stuff first before I play with better equipment to see how I get on with them all and how they compare. I have low expectations after watching the video, but managed to find one at a very reasonable price online...
...I'd not be sad to see your unit on here, since Florian had covered some good bits of kit now too!
I'm here early enough to pause and replay all the memes before nightfall EST! 🙌
Nice!!!
This is my favorite piece of gear!! I love it, glad you gave it the Bad Gear treatment!!
Thank you so much!!!
Love the video, and humorous critique. Initially I had a love and hate relationship with the MC-707. When I first bought it, I was constantly comparing it to my MC-909. I was starting to feel like I should have just repaired my MC-909, instead of buying the MC-707. Then I started to see the MC-707 as it's own thing, and decided to stop comparing the two machines, and stop thinking about what was missing from the MC-707. Now I love it pieces. I still hate the how the LFO's are limited to 4bars max in the patches, and 2bars max in the FX... but I'd rather be on the MC-707 making music instead of using a DAW.
Thank you!!!
Have been waiting a long while for this episode. My awesome MC707.
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Loading/saving time of 707 was killing me. Even deleting sample from project was crazy, like unbelievable! :D
The horror
I have a TR-8s, I don't need the MC-707, I'm sure, I'm fine, I'm... yeah I don't need it ... aaaarrrrgggghhhh!
Lol
No, no, no, no, NO!!! I knew this was coming after the 101 and TR-8S videos. This is my centrepiece!!
...and I still can't do anything more than about 8 bars with it. 😭😆
Nothing personal;)
You can do it! Just double them 8 bars and add a little variation! Boom…you’ve got a song!
Not the 707 as well... Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!
Nothing personal;)
Finally, but still waiting for Virus, Typhoon and Minilogue XD episode ❤
I was waiting in anticipation for the 707 to get its love. Best sound module available for the money.
Nothing is safe, apparently.
All your gear are bad to us
Great show as usual! You have done the 101 and 707 next you should do their troubled middle sibling the MV-1 Verselab.
Thank you!!! Great suggestion!!!
The MV-1 yes! Do it Florian! You’ll hate the workflow but i have it and love it especially once you get a handle on song mode.
@@wakinglife7065it's crazy it has all these sounds for half the price.
@@ET2carbon agreed! And it’s smaller too! I do want the thr tr8s just for the drums but I have come across a second hand mc707 for half price. But I should wait for a used tr8s to come up. Otherwise it’s overkill. The only thing I like about the mc707’, mv1 and tr8s is the amount of tracks you have running through a mixer. Big fan of the zen core. Some of the samples are just wonderful.
Another piece of "Bad Gear" I own! Awesomeness! Have a great week Florian!
Nice!!! Thanks!!!
MY BABY!! It's pretty damn perfect in many ways. You can do so much with it. I've had it for years and I don't pretend to understand all the features. The scatter is great, the sound shaping is deep and the step sequencer can do some fun things. Chord mode is great, really flexible. It's a damn workstation in a box. You'll need to beef up the sounds with a bit of tweak and I never once found a BASS on this sucker that I like after all these years. The random patch feature is fun but useless in the end. I'll absolutely buy the next gen if they make some improvements. I want kits and I'd like the sampler to be a bit less annoying to use. Overall, a budget masterpiece if you consider the current used prices.
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It took me forever to understand how to do direct sampling from an input, but other than that MC-707 is pretty easy to use!
My favourite bit of music tech is the MC707. Once you learn the shortcuts and all the tricks it’s the fastest way to put tracks together without being stuck in front of a computer. Give it a few weeks of daily use and all becomes clear.
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I own many groove boxes…. This is my favorite….
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Please make a list.
That final jam is FILTHY! Instant stank face. Gotta love these silly Roland boxes. Maybe we'll get one with an actual display in 2045... :P
Thank you!!!
Take a look at MC-909 😉
MC 707 Its by far the most powerful "groovebox" and affordable tool from any other ones available plus, it comes with the Zencore library. Maybe MPC force is also one of them
MPC synths are really nice!!!
Agree, the MPC synths sound way better than the 707.
I've been waiting for this one ! Thanks!
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I sense Verselab MV-1 is approaching soon!!!
Maybe;)
MC-707 is my favorite piece of gear of all time. It does need sidechain compression though.
Great work as always. They say that Florian is the unofficial fifth Kraftwerker.
I'm pretty sure by now that Roland HQ has a dossier on you.
Thank you!!!
@@AudioPilz Bitte....schnell bitte bitte schnell!
I always love your demo tunes SO MUCH. Truly, you are a God.
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It's Friday!!!!
Have a nice weekend!!!
This synth engine gave me many satisfactions while learning to use, it is very pleasent to use the nobs and the sequencer to program tracks, discover sounds and playing with them. This synth with a good midi keyboard it is a good match. Cheers
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OHHH I've been waiting for this one! hahahah
It was about time!!!
@@AudioPilz I have one, I love it and use it a lot, still I totally agree with your comments about it! especially the voice stealing and extremely vanilla boring preset sounds (drums above all)
Oh wow, Wangan Midnight in the final track! Finally i have recognized the closing visuals lol. Great vid as always
Thanks!!! Underrated!!!
Roland VERSELAB MV-1 must be on the hit list.
I watched the live release in horror as some hip-hop producer who had clearly not done his homework dissed his way through the functions and more or less said his old MPC was so much better.
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Great suggestion, thank you!!!
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I have the MC 101 but still want the 707.. I tried it out in a music shop once and got lost in a world of my own! having all those tracks and those tracks having faders is perfect for groove box... sure you can make whole songs if you can be arsed with that matrix but grooveboxes are best when you just jam out.
…. So now after much EBay lurkage I have “won”/bought a newish 707 for 400 sheets!.. given the 101 is around 300-350 on the bay I think I got a good deal… even if don’t really need it 🤣 GAS is a real bummer!
Hey finally a piece of gear I had and didn't like! My main problem was the combo of menu diving plus the tiny screen plus the odd viewing angle of said tiny screen. For hobbyists like me the whole point of hardware is to be hands on. If I'm going to have to meticulously assign knob functions and build my tracks out on a screen... why wouldn't I just use a DAW with a better screen and have more tracks, more effects, more... everything and then just spend the time to assign the knobs on my controller? This product just felt so confused. Great video as always though!
Thank you!!!
Ooh, I have two MC707's (and an old Mackie mixer with an Alesis 3630) looking forward to view this episode.
Nice setup!!!
This week's episode achieved a memetastic MPE rating of 91 memes contained within...extra points for multiple Nick Batts!
Thanks for keeping the statistics up to date!!!
@@AudioPilz will we see a Nick Batt face superimposed over the slapping Batman meme at some point?! Holy CowBell! Battman!
Amazing episode for me. This is the most attractive gear to me since its launch. Sort of a Classic, but I think I could do good and genuine performance with. Also the sampler aspect i'd like to learn about (not in my normal way). Your third demo is so nice, and convincing. Thank you for your communicative smile Florian ! Oops, just : Zen core is fabulous for me, quality, pleasure. Love Roland !
Thank you!!!
ach...ich bin immer noch froh, dass ich mir stattdessen die FORCE gekauft habe.
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Memeception is complete now that my recursive Bad Gear meme was actually included in an episode. Also, a Roland MC episode NEVER disappoints 🤩
Thank you so much!!!
The name "klangfarbe" will never not be funny :)
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Having a dedicated Bad Gear playlist is the highest honour for a synth manufacturer.
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Oh dear, my beloved and behated 707...
I am on the Force now, but the 707 had something special!
Force FTW!!!
Same here! Had the 707 and now i am on the force and mpc … my main complain was playing a controller keyboard and adjusting wrong notes or pedals that the mc707 dis not get. On the force or mpc is much easier with the multitouch screen and bars. Miss the roland sounds so i bought a mc101 only to get the 3000 available sounds.
@@AudioPilz oh we definitely need a bad gear force episode, its like the forgotten redheaded step child of akai that is simultaneously infuriating to work with but amazing for its capabilities when you do get it to work right.....until you run out of ram
I read it as "I am one with the Force now"! 😱 May the 4th be with you!
@@Xcopeta I switched to Maschine and..ehm. im happy. :D
The 707 is an awesome piece of kit. I use 2 of them for my Techno Live Set and this allows me to carry heaps less gear and have heaps of options available. The voice management is not as bad as you have said. I have had my units since they were released and only had to replace 1 channel fader so far.
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Yooooo! Wagan Midinight! Best 420Z.
Classic!!!
I have one and only use it from time to time ...And everytime, when i listen some forgotten tracks i can't deny Roland sounds, stand out in a mix compare to over brands or gear ...with a little help of distortion and compression
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Roland Sound is the reason I haven’t sold mine.
@@mudi2000a i'm about to do the same
My Rocket and M-Base also like to snuggle.
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This thing sounds incredible, the patterns that you’re creating is wicked as always, appreciate your skill and most of all your humour 😂
Thank you so much!!!
"bus compressor" 😆
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I think this episode has some of my fave music of yours so far. So good.
Thank you so much!!!
Because it actually has everything in one box and I'm high fidelity. Crazy thing is, all of this can be done using Roland Cloud zen beats, no need to spend $700. It's zen-core engine it's also in the verselab mv1 if you want all the sounds for over half the cost in hardware
Panning hihats, ILLEGAL MOVE! 😁
It's a must!!!
First thing I ever bought was an MC707. Sold and bought too much gear since then, and I’m currently looking for another one. It was the best hardware device I’ve ever owned but was too much of a novice to realise it at the time. Nothing can do as much as this except the MPC One.
I make pop and synthpop too, so it’s not limited genre-wise.
Nice!
"Thank God it's Friday."
Have a nice weekend!!!
Spending the time to eq all the tracks a little and dial in the master compressor make a huge difference using this thing live! I love what it offers as a production tool i just hate the process of editing things. Plus for something that retails new for $999 it's pretty flimsy feeling. First thing i did was get a deck saver for it before bringing it anywhere because i do not trust that the knobs or faders will hold up to any kind of impact.
Agreed!!!
Ah the device I really wanted to love but ended up hating. Never printed a return label with such glee.
I feel you!!!
I just bought my 2nd MC 707 last week after 3 years of 8 hour a day punishment on m O.G. had worn it down 👇 quite a bit but nothing a servicing would've fix i just couldn't resist the 72 Zen Core Soundpacks and v.1.8 the one on Ebay was offering 😮i can Honestly say i couldn't function without my 707 as it controls all my 17 other bit of Hardware and is an Amazing sequencer and FX unit for my other synths, i could go on endefinitly about it's good points and really struggle to think of anything Negative about it.
It Truly is a Wonderful piece of Kit ❤❤❤❤😊Jaffa Jenkins Dawless jams 😊
Even the worst Roland gear is still top in my charts, most of my music has some kind of Roland gear being used in it. 👍
I want a Roland groove box so bad due to the tech and classic sounds, but the UX kills me.
Agreed!!!
@@milk_bath I have the 101 also and it is great. The sounds are amazing and it does what I need for my genre. I combine it with tb-3 and jdxi mixed with mx-1. What more could a rave head like me need.
Brain of my setup. Sequencing 4 or 5 external synths.
The lack of row insert on the pattern grid is dismal, the voice stealing is a bitch, the pad velocity response is shite but I still love it...
Going to use it exclusively now to sequence 6 tracks of my Access Virus C in multimode and have a spare Zencore internal track and 1 to sequence the TR-8S.
Nice!!!
I just bought one jfc 😢
Nothing personal;)
It's a dope machine, just give it some time : )
It’s very good, especially if you want to use a few external synths
Yay, another great friday episode :) Happy weekend, thank you for the content!
Have a nice weekend!!!
The MC 707. When your ADHD isn't ADHD enough
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Oh that explains why I love it
Great review! I have one - used to once in 3 years lol - I totally agree with your main points: 1) xen core = lacklustre 2) workflow is ok until u have to menu dive. It looks great tho, plenty of controls and colours, display sucks. I'll probably remember I have one in 10yrs time and fire it up again :)
Thank you so much!!!
Owned one of these. Roland and other manufacturers don't seem to realize that out-of-DAW devices like these need to compete with DAWs and modern tools/plugins. And the inconsistencies: metering (poorly) on one compressor effect, but not others. Oh, and the voice stealing: the 707 has only one CPU, same as 101. Which makes the 101 the better choice as it only has four tracks. But start layering partials/chords and you can easily get voice stealing with 2-3 tracks. They need to start realizing that it's not the 70s anymore and you dont need to start with a fixed budget and work from that, but work back from what user needs, every 707 owner I talked would happily pay double the price for a box that's actually finished.
That sums it up nicely
As a multi-timbral synth for external sequencing, there's very little that can touch it.
Combatting polyphony issues is time consuming, but dumping channels out to a sample and then loading a load of them into a drumkit allows you to have several songs in the bank at once.
Interesting workaround
As always, vivid and fair review, keep it up
Thank you so much!!!
Great vid as always! I have to say the comment that was mad that there wasn't a D-Beam killed me! 😂
That one had me rofling too!
I was totally expecting/awaiting this!
Long overdue!!!
Owned this thing for a year and a half and all i will say is… the fact that the interface is like a small midi controller for mixing rather than an actual instrument is totally baffling. It made me want my old MC505 back. Made some cool stuff on it, but it was an uphill battle.
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I am unlikely to evrer use an MC 707 but the memes on this were especially strong. Nick with "It has PWM, right?" and then the "Famous compser, Jean Michel Jarre..." Oh my god! Hilarious. You got some very good sounds out of this machine, particularly with the downtempo dub techno .
Thank you!!!
Excellent as always! This time's suggestion is something that probably won't make it to the show. Presently YAMAHA GS1 exists in two software forms: as Xils Lab Kaox plugin, what has absolutely nothing to do with the original, and even does without the world famous ENS effect! The more authentic one is the sample-based/modelled version GS-V by ikmultimedia. It were extemely interesting to hear/see how you integrate the latter in your musical workflow & most of all how that would sound.
Wow, that's a deep cut. Thanks!!!
Have you looked into the M8 tracker? I think it's in a really good state right now and would be a fun episode to do. I'd also suggest looking into LSDJ, the tracker application for the Gameboy that the M8's interface is primarily based on. It feels like the M8 was specifically designed for chiptune producers that wanted to get into more contemporary electronic music production.
Great suggestion, thanks!!!
love my 707! Workflow is easy and Roland has given us great updates. BUT With a 707, Digitakt, Digitone, TR-8s and Analog Heat Mk2 i promise you'll cook hard, sure it's all expensive but you can't wagu beef for the price of a Mcdonald's Big mac.
Mmmh, BigMac…
Finally, Tobias Fünke has been featured on Bad Gear. It’s good to see a great actor get his due!!
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This seems like a good gateway drug into hardware for people previously stuck in a DAW. The menu diving might not be ideal but there are enough buttons and sliders to accomplish giving a taste of why hardware controls on synths are always superior than fussing around with a mouse or trackpad.
Also, Kaspersky still detects roland cloud as malware
Kaspersky might be onto sth;)
Tangent tip for laptops: get a wireless mouse to avoid the shitty trackpad.
The thing that strikes me as odd on this device, that even with so many buttons and sliders at your disposal, you never feel you have the right parameters mapped to those buttons.
That 128.0 bpm clock display made me nostalgic for my mc-303
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That arpeggiator before the break sounded 🔥 I love arpeggiators with motion recording
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Well, Well, Well... here I was thinking "Florian hasn't featured my beloved MC707 because it's actually Good Gear, right?" . wrong and I knew the truth in my heart.
The biggest buggaboo for my taste that you left out was the limited user sample/looper time without tedious workarounds.
Thank you!!! Yeah, that’s a bummer
Another Roland deserving of the Bad Gear stamp! The screen alone qualified it upon release. :D
Ironically a better screen than you get for Zen Core on the Jupiter-X or Juno-X, though! :D
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Hell yeah, a Roland episode. Classic.
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Things that were missing that would've been nice-to-have >>
- adjustable overdrive in the filter with different types (hard, soft, fold, etc.),
- in addition to the 8 instrument tracks, would've been great to have 8 MIDI tracks as well
- dual project loading like in the Hapax to seamlessly transition from one project to the next (I don't understand why everyone designs their system with the "one project = one song" principle)
- even a basic sidechain that could've been triggered by audio or MIDI
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You're killing it, man. Some of my favourite bad gear of all time comes from Roland 😅
Thank you!!!
I have my Roland fanboy membership card as well lol 🤣
Yet it was not until I acquired a Fantom 07 late 2023 did I finally begin to appreciate how Roland allows users to construct scenes etc. Until then, I was completely lost on every device that had scenes except the MC-707!
Thanks for bringing us home with this video and exposing the redundacy no matter how much Roland Kool-Aid we have consumed lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Always a pleasure;)
Best thing hands on controllabilty, eqs everywhere, fxs amount. Worst thing timing issues in fact. But I love this machine for live performance with its ableton like clip grid, master multiband comp, and connectivity. By the way you can record motion while holding the motion rec button, without needing to activate it.
Timing is atrocious!!!
@@AudioPilz it used to be worse. I still hope they finally fix it because it makes it less professionally usable.
Last time when I was watching your Roland TR8S episode after that I just bought it, this time money ran out 😅 but I will buy it any way like any other gear that you review it here from Roland Aira, again grate episode men, High 5 from Poland 🎉
Thank you so much!!!
Ah cool you made the 707 video! I sold mine in the end but as a sound module I think it’s really useful, I just prefer my iPad/Digitakt combo. I’d love to see a video from you on the iPad as a modular groovebox, its really awesome for just not being a slave to the workflow of a dedicated hardware device but I guess that statement puts the topic in DAW territory. Curious, what’s your most go to setup for when you’re chilling and just want to jam for a couple of hours, the one that you leave set up and is always good to go?
Great idea, thanks!!!
I just realized the 707 is the modern progeny of the MV8000 line. This almost makes me want one.
And you should definitely look into getting the MV8000 or 8800 on the channel. They are somewhere between a DAW and an MPC but somehow worse than either
MV8K is legendary!
Pure trash! My MV could receive am radio. I am not joking. @@AudioPilz
Dang now I’m missing my 101. The woovebox is gone too, a great little machine but put off by the steep learning curve. Well it was going to be a 707 or an MPC one and I went AKAI ward, ho hum. Now that you mention it the 707 (and the 101) are well overdue a refresh.
Really enjoyed the 101!
Oh man!!! I’ve been waiting on this one! I think I requested it more than once. Please make the price go up so I can sell mine 🤣. I do love it tho. Except for the UI and workflow and all 🤣🤣🤣
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I've been begrudgingly using one of these as the center of my live setup for years.
I feel you!!!
The reverb/delay test is now integrated into the protocol for establishing ISO standards.
#thelaw
So something fun i just remembered is that the Nintendo DSi and 3DS both can be used as samplers via the built-in music player. Would be fun to see you try making use of them!
Great idea, thanks!!!
Re: sample streaming 5:40
In Storage Mode you can drag and drop samples onto the SD card from your computer over USB (or mobile device with USB OTG).
Thanks for the heads up but it’s more about playing samples without having to load them to RAM
Great job as always! That finale jam was sounding niiice (well, they all did, but you know what I mean). The MC-707 doesn't seem too bad.
5:24 Why?? 😆
Thank you!!!