The studio logic sounds warmer and produces a better low end tone. And the hand crafted. Italian keyboard is just a very nice bonus. I also like that it has a four channel mixer, built-in to it.
Thanks for the test. Studiologic X Piano GT sounds better. Also, the control panel is much better resolved, it is elegant and the color change on the control elements according to the used sound - layer is very informative. Setting 4 split points is great.
Very nice video. Numa sounds brighter, warmer, more powerfull, greater, more natural, piano like from wood, not plastic. Maybe your position during playing makes some difference in "power" of sound?
Good to hear both back to back. They are very close but I prefer the CP88 sound the GT being modeled is just too perfect sounding and perfect is boring. He to said I have a StudioLogic SL88 Grand and that keybed is GREAT so that is why I was interesting in the GT's sounds. Thanks for making the video.
FYI Numa X Piano GT acoustic pianos aren't modeled, only the electric pianos. They're sampled and modeled nuances like pedal noise, string and damper resonance etc. can be tweaked. The best pianos are in the free library so you'll learn nothing from these compressed audio TH-cam videos of factory sounds.
Hello dear talantl maestro! hear 1 and 2 variant..keyboards! Very need open , sincere big respect 1 and 2 companies, for person ,magik sound!! What`s in 1 variant peson-unicaln sound,what`s and in 2 variant very good magik sound too!! Yours person vision on yours sound,on yours lovely sound too !! Thank-you very much for magik test-play,reklam!!! Health and big good luck!!
Great job! Which one feels the best to you? Lovely playing, I'm green with envy! I think I prefer the Studio Logic sound. It sounds fuller and warmer to me. But that doesn't matter since I use Pianoteq.
Depends how you’re going to use it. For home studios the x is Nord like for realism. The CP will trounce it live though because it’s brightness and power will cut through. BTW the audience won’t care either way but the Yammy will be heard more clearly.
FYI: EVERY brand of keyboards has to be eq'ed for each unique live venue, and I've gigged with most brands, including Yamaha. Been making custom patches ahead of time (for playing live) for fifty years. Reverb has to be cut. Bass and low mids have to be cut. Highs have to be boosted or choose a brighter custom patch. Only amateurs play factory patches live. So tired of this old, lame nonsense that brand X cuts through better live than brand Y. I know!.... How about asking your drummer and guitar player to turn down and take some classical and/or jazz music lessons to learn to how play with some dynamics? Or better yet, just play solo gigs from now on LoL! 🤔😂
@@briangoodner8680 Hello Brian - just scan read your reply. May I suggest that when you reply to people who express a different opinion to yours that you refrain from ‘attempting’ to combine arrogance and passive-aggressive stuff such as ‘lame’ and ‘tired of this old….’ (Ironic Brian ….. after all you’ve told everyone you’ve been doing this for FIFTY YEARS). Also using the term LOL and some emojis (like young people use Brian) suggests desperation. Back to the subject. You can eq all you like but you’re ultimately limited by the sound voicing of an instrument. Perhaps google Elton John’s use (to this day) of an old Roland MKS20 module combined with a Yamaha Motif midi’d to his grand piano. Compared to the latest Nords, Yamaha’s and VST’s etc it doesn’t come close but it ‘cuts through’ to audiences in both band and solo situations. But no doubt Elton would defer to your long experience playing your instrument……Lol.
If the eq and effects can be tweaked and saved in a preset on the studiologic I’d go with the Numa. I test drove a Numa a few months ago and liked its sounds and action. Nice presentation and dmo. Thank you.
I think the Yamaha has a better sound especially for mixing. The Studiologic is overly warm imo. With that being said, the Yamaha chances are will work better with mixes and being able to cut through a mix.
So, I did come over here to watch your video, but firstly man, you have an excellent touch on the keys man, so so good! Inspiring me to pick up my MIDI keyboard and practice. 😅 I see here you play the Numa X Piano GT, I wonder if you've played the Numa X Piano (the one with the TP/110 Action) or something that has that action? I'm so used to the quality of sounds of the Yamaha so I'd naturally want to have it (or it's little brother the CK), but the Numa does look quite nice to be honest. If only they shipped to where I am currently. 😥
I have not played the TP/110 action yet. I heard is good but still noisy. The GT is very quiet compared to the cp88. Also the feeling and the keys are very well balanced in the studiologic
Hello! Thank you for the great video. I'm curious about the keyboard of the Studiologic Numa x piano GT. I'm currently using the sl88grand model as a master keyboard, and according to the website, it seems that the GT's keyboard has been slightly upgraded. I wanted to ask if you have any experience with the sl88grand, and also, I'm curious about the touch response compared to the cp88.
I have not tested the sl88. I had played many keyboards and this beats every single one of them. Even the Roland Rd2000. I haven't tried kawai pianos. But this studiologic keybed feels close to a steinway piano.
Thanks for your comparison! I'll just talk about the sound. At the beginning it seems that Studiologic sounds more voluminous and saturated. Yamaha, on the other hand, sounded thinner and not as filling. But, listening closely, you can see that Studiologic has slightly raised mids. This gives some color and creates a fill sound effect, but still some muddiness is captured in the sound. And Yamaha has a more correct and linearly aligned sound. It has no added rumble in the middle frequencies. The sound is more natural. Does not "load" the ear, less tiring. As a result, the perception of Yamaha sound is lighter and more comfortable and more detailed. It doesn't matter if it's on record or live. The Yamaha sound is more comfortable in my perception.
This may be irrelevant, but I have the Yamaha DGX-670 and hate the clumsy user interface. I combine the Yamaha's internal voices with Pianoteq Pro. which at least for the acoustic piano voices creates a very rich satisfying tone., The DGX by itself is rather dull and a lifeless. The point I'm really making is it's not simply how these instruments sound, but how easy they are to use. Frankly based on the DGX, I'm concerned the Yamaha could be convoluted and overly complex. As for this demo. on my computer system, I prefer the sound of the Numa X. Every time I hear a nice sound and scroll up to see what instrument it is, it's the Numa X.
I used the German at the beginning of the video. I did changed it to Japanese but can't remember exactly the minute when I did it. I will record another one.
Have you ever tried Kawai VPC1 action? I am trying to decide between the Numa and VPC1. Interested only in the piano action. For referente I had a Roland PHA50 action was good but not close to a real piano. Tried VPC1 and liked It a lot but I cant try the Numa. I wonder which IS better. Also for some reason I like more VPC1 action compared to MP11SE one.
The CP sounds brighter. I like the sound of the GT now I have the CP 88 but I have been looking at the GT. Both of them sounds great it’s just at the CP sounds a little brighter.
@fragu123 I am keeping both. I use the cp88 for gigs. Has still good key action. Also is lightweight for a 88 hammer feel action. Is just happens that the studiologic has an amazing key action. Also is a powerhouse as controller. You can select up to 4 midi channels or mix it with the internal sounds of the board. But if I had to sell one probably would be the CP88. I use many vst and the studiologic has really good control interface to manipulate midi and also you can use it as a daw.
Not sure what sound you used on the Numa around the 4:20 mark, but wow! I own a Roland RD2000, and have never been really all that impressed. Trying to find a NUMA to try out somewhere within 200 miles of me, but so far, none!
I had played the roland rd2000. It does have an excellent key action. Very similar to the Numa GT. Is just slightly heavier than Numa. I personally prefer the Numa over the Rd2000. But taste is subjective. I like the Roland Rd2000 supernatural piano tone engine over the Numa piano tones. The Roland supernatural sound similar like pianoteq.
The numa sounds nice but it’s not a sampled instrument the way the yahama is and if you turn it up you can hear it. The numa just sounds like a colored waveform, the yahama sounds definately more realistic to me
I'm thinking about getting one of these. Can't decide, really hard. Tried out the NumaX yesterday, unfortunately they did not have the CP88 at the store to test.
TO my ear it just feels more comfortable. It kind of depends on which has the better user interface. Too much buried complexity is not good. I'm not convinced Yamaha has a grasp of a good easy to use user interface. I don't know anything about Nujma X's interface.
I guess depends what are you doing with the keyboard. The studiologic is very powerful on stage and in the studio. The keybed is just beyond phenomenal. The piano tones sound ok. I rather the cp88 sound more natural. Here in the video sound little bit flat but I had the EQ turned off. It can sound very punchy on stage. I use the cp88 for live gigs. Is just easier for playing live on stage if you are not going to use a laptop. Also does have 2 XLR. That is very important to me. I use those 100% of the time. The key bed is great. Is not as good as the studiologic but is a great keybed. Also is 10 lbs lighter. If you are only use it to record in the studio I'd take the studiologic. It will definitely put a smile on you when you feel the keys. Specially if you use vst. You can even mix the internal sound of the board and midi it is a very cool keyboard.
@@ispianistI felt that when you mentioned it will put a smile, i tried it the other day @ my local guitar center and oh boy first 2 things i noticed about this stage piano was the amazing keybed action it has, feels so good that i had to sell my komplete 88 MKII 😅. Second thing i noticed was the build quality of the numa is amazing, professional perfect for my studio.
@@ispianist is there any keyboard that would have the keybed of the studiologic but the sound of the yamaha? I just prefer the sound of the yamaha, felt cleaner and more natural to my ears
@@codoacodoinicial I just found out a new piano under Studiologic. Sounds very close to the Yamaha CFX. I had to change many settings on the Numa. I will upload a new video soon.
Nice review. Just wanted to know one this how’s the key action of Numa X-GT compare to the Yamaha CP88 and Kawai MP11SE. I really like the Numa X-GT but little confused about the key action I love action on Kawai MP11SE and Yamaha I never get opportunity for demo but Yamaha action is always better. If the action is good on Numa X-GT then I might go with the Numa X-GT. I need a firm responsive and firm action for long run use. Thank you! ❤
If you go for the Numa action I think you are going to regret it. The numa x is a Fatar TP100LR, really heavy and without escapement, even though they are using triple sensor so the dynamics are AWESOME. Yamaha is using a GHs old version and Kawai I dont know but Ive never heard a complain about their action. The nuna GT uses a graded action but its similar to the TP-40 or TP400.
And the CP88 uses NW-GH (natural wood graded hammer) with triple sensor. The old GHS does not even come close to that in terms of natural feel and expressiveness. The NW-GH tends to be a bit heavy for some players though, but for me it’s by far the best keybed I’ve experienced in a stage piano ever. One of the main reasons I’m sticking to the CP88 for now.
I recently bought a Numa X GT and I have an MP11SE. I always liked the MP, but the GT to me, is making me think of selling my Kawai. The GT is so fast and responsive, the weighting balance is superb. It makes the MP feel a little sluggish, and I tire quicker on it. The GT is less tiring on my wrists for some reason.
@@luucdentoom6955The cp88 has a great key action. But I'm my opinion there is not a match with the Studiologic Numa X piano GT. The studiologic is in a different level. I have played many grand pianos "Yamaha, Steinway and sons, Baldwin. The key action on the studiologic is very close to a grand piano. The Yamaha CP88 feels great but is not even close to a real action. Also is loud when you pressing the keys compare to the GT. Blessings
It is call "fantasy" I did tweak the sound. I also added acoustic piano. You can have up to 4 layers of voicings at the same time. I prefer the studiologic over the CP88 when adding layers.
Are these the default sounds mate?? Hi mate, I'm debating myself to buy a Numa X 88. I have got a YC 88 I am not so happy with the result. I come from a Yamaha CVP 505. My main interest is the piano accoustic sound. With one great sound thats good enough to me. If other extra sounds were to be good, that's an extra.
Yeah I was on the same boat with my Yamaha CP88. I went through configurations and used 2 of my favorite pianos. I did split 2 patches in one. I am using the patch S700 starting on the lowest key (A0 to B3) then the patch C7 starting on the key of (C4 all the way to the key of C8). To me the CFX sounds too bright to my taste. I will upload a new video with my favorite pianos on both keyboards and the configuration I use. I did use factory pianos when I recorded this video.
@@ispianist I have tried your idea. However, I try back to back my YC88 and my Yamaha CVP505 and the sound difference is VERY noticeable. Which makes me sad for the CVP is nearly 15 years old. I really don't know what to do. I need a piano to perform, but being so used to that sound (505) which to me is utterly superior, makes me feel uncomfortable when playing the YC88.
@@ispianist would be nais to see a comparison with the patched values and sounds used. Also what made you change your mind on not selling the CP88, im sort of in a same boat as many trying to find a next gud piano. Sound is one of the most important to me with the right feel of key action. Was looking towards the Numa X GT and the CP88 and E920 and even the Nord Grand because of sound+action all together. I wonder if the CP88 would best choice action + sound wise, but ofc hard to answer because of everyone has a favorite keybed feel + sound taste. Right now I have to deal with my current Dexibell H1 while the sounds sound prety great, the key action is so bad it makes not even want to touch the piano haha. Other problem is there are no close by stores at all so need to rely on just tons of videos and forums to get to know each piano and its sound + action. Gud luck with all
@@mr-_-cat7381 Yes I will definitely record one video pretty soon. Stay tuned. I actually getting rid of the CP88. I do love the sound but I love the Numa GT action even more. Also I just got the iPad with the M2 chip. I do have tons of vst that complements with my numa.
@@ispianist Yo, thanks for your quick response man I appreciate it. Thats sounds awesome would love to watch that ofc no rush, your videos where very clear put together so thumbs up for that! I prob should test out the Numa X GT was in my mind for a long bit as well, and yeah for the price diff should be easy to buy an iPad with it with indeed gud chip for VST's and buy some on it. Its just to bad I can't connect my Samsung S9 Ultra with it, but then the chip of iPad is ofc way stronger in the M2/M3 line range stuff. I heard a lot of people really like the Pianoteq 8 gonna check of thoose pricings haha. Gud luck with the sell hope all goes well!
Honestly, they sound very very similar. If you aren't watching the video, it's hard to tell when he switches keyboards most of the time. And you could probably set EQ to make them even closer. So I'd choose based on things like the action, the panel and price rather than the basic sound. Because either one would work well for most people.
Is the studiologic keyboard loud? . I recently played a nord piano 5 (fatar keyboard TP 110) and it was very loud! - an instrument for over $3000!?! sic!. Some keys worked/clicked louder, others quieter - in the new instrument!
@MrRafalSC I used to own an Arturia MK2 with the fatar TP100. I really liked the interface and the faders, pads etc. I sold it for few reasons.The loud action when pressing the keys was one of them. Also when playing scales the keys didn't feel balanced and was spongy. The TP400 wood is very quiet. I think because it does have mechanical escapement. It does have very well balanced and firm keys just like the Roland PH50 Wich is also very quiet and feels similar like the Numa GT. I will record a video soon just playing the keys in both of these boards. The CP88 has a very loud action, but probably less noisy than the NORD. I honestly think the fatar tp110 and the tp100 are very similar or identical. Even Studiologic claims to be different but I highly doubt it. Blessings.
@@ispianist I disagree. The TP110 is a different beast than the TP100. I rate the TP100 pretty much unplayable, which is something I cannot say about the TP110 , which can be very enjoyable and responsive . They are both noisy - in that respect there is less difference, but the TP110 'bounces' much less, whereas the TP100 feel much more sluggish and slow.
I currently have an Alesis midi keyboard. And a "real" piano. I'm not much of a keyboard player (I grew up with the clarinet, but use the keyboard as a compositional tool). I'd like to have a keyboard that, like the Alesis, I can use as an input/control device for Logic. But there are times that I just want to play, or to practice, or to chill, without having to hook stuff up. So I think I want a digital piano rather than a midi keyboard, but obviously I still want to be able to connect up via USB. I've got a space limitation with my work center though, so I've been looking at the Numa 73 for that reason. Do you think that something like the Studiologic would be a good all-around controller AND piano? I want the semi-weighted keys. I want the high quality instrument sounds. Am I going in the right direction with something like this? It certainly sounds great when played by someone who knows what they're doing. It's a lot of money perhaps for someone who is less adept. I dunno. Perhaps it just appeals to me. Or perhaps it's just because it fits the space! Any thoughts you'd care to share?
When I played the CP88 for first time felt great. Well balanced keys with right weight. Beautiful keys and excellent built quality. But.... When you play the Studiologic feels that you are playing a real Steinway piano. The Studiologic is in a different league. The Yamaha feels cheap when you compare to the Studiologic. The Studiologic has a firm key action. It is just a tiny heavier than the Yamaha. The Studiologic does have escapement action. You can feel the mechanical weight when you press the keys. Also the travel when you press the keys on the Studiologic is shorter than the CP. I like that. But that is subjective I guess.
I have a Numa x and gt for quite a while now and though I like the key action , the piano sound never worked for me. It is too “tangy” , like the older Korgs , and there is a distinct disconnect between the action / response and playing soft passages . As if the only way the sound engine reacts is by lowering the volume way too much and closing a low pass filer . Bed unnatural , very unpleasant. Have always hooked up the Numa to my Yamaha gear (CFX samples) or pianoteq . As long as the Numa has such an unnatural disconnect between action and sound I’d always pick another brand for the AP’s if you only use the internal sounds .
Hello friend, did you say that you have both? the version number x and the gt? if so, i only have the gt, please, i would like to ask you if the keys of the numa x are lighter to play than those of the gt? Or is the difference very small? I work on orchestral music, and I like the gt a lot for piano, but it seems that the escapement is a bit uncomfortable for playing strings, cello, everything vsts. Would it be better to have the numa x solo, for strings, brass, woodwinds... and the gt for pianos? In short, is it worth having both, if I'm using it as a midi keyboard vst controller? and my last question, the keys of the numa x are noisier than those of the gt? Please, I would love to know your opinion. Thank you very much and a big hug my friend.
@@electedmusic7685 As always - judging keybeds is very subjective ! IMHO, the response of the GT and normal X are not so very far apart. A few differences are : the normal x is noisier. The GT doesn't push your fingers up , the normal X does have a slight push-back making it more fatiguing and less natural. The resistance is much less than the old infamous TP100 keybed , but still. The repetition from the bottom of the key (fast repetitions with only releasing the key a slight bit) is better on the normal X than on the GT, where you have to release the key further up before you can re-trigger a note. The connection between acoustic piano sound and key is better on the GT , than on the x , which I find a bit odd in that respect. I did enjoy the normal x a lot as a MIDI / software controller, it's very all-round in that respect. Purely from a pianistic point of view I rate the GT much higher, being smoother, much quiter , having the nice wood finish and playing lighter / easier. Only the repetition is so so IMHO. Something I also noticed on the older TP40W in the SL88 Grand controller (slow in retriggering). The Tp110 in the Numa X is definitely a step up from the previous TP100. Side by side the normal X and GT are pretty close in responsiveness and feel, but at the same time different. If they had the same overall weight, I'd alway prefer the GT action. But considering the normal X is much lighter to carry and still very good and allround for many sounds, the normal X is very good for gigging. One last thing is that the TP110 may introduce some key squeaks and noises after a while. Some little ticking and clicking noises. The TP400W seems more stable in that respect, although on my Decibel S9 I experienced a key that didn't fully come up after it aged a bit. Still able to play it well, but this key seemed to become 'lazy'. I fixed it somewhat by re-greasing the key. Something you could consider to do with the X as well when it starts to introduce noises after a certain while. Overall, keybeds I know that do not have some sort of 'push back' feeling are Kawai RH-III, Kawai GF and Novus keybeds. Roland Hybrid Grand (e..g on the LX-706/708 and similar Piano Reality Concert on GP9 ) ; the PHA50 still has a slight push back affect. The higher end Yamaha keybeds (not the GHS which is terrible). the Casio Hybrid keybed on their higher end pianos and strangely enough some medelli keybeds, for instance on the Kurzweil PC4 (which is by the way very noisy). And the Tp400W (Dexibell S9/10, Numa GT). What's great though about the Numa and Dexibell (S9/10) keybeds is that they also feature a useable (!) aftertouch implementation, which none of these other keybeds have. So very nice as a controller.
@@joepfruman1111 okay. One question my friend, do you have click noise on any gt key? I have the gt, and it came to me with a mechanical noise in the last key on the left. It's a clicking noise, every time I press.
@@electedmusic7685 In short; all Fatar weighted keybeds, as far as I know , introduce some clicking somewhere along the way. TP40, TP400, TP100 etc. usually it is due to grease that wears out. You could open up a unit if you dare and puts some new grease on the mechanics of the clicking key. Even on a brand new PHA50 Roland I had clicking bij the way - also a matter of opening up the unit and removing and re-inserting some keys and putting some extra grease on them. With some boards DIY is not so difficult. The S9/S10 is very easy to open up. Numa X is also do-able. But think about your warranty - if you're not sure what you are doing or have doubts, please don't. Kawai RH-2 en RH-3 will need some grease due to clicking after extended use as well is my experience. Considering it maintenance of the keybed. Nothing lasts forever and sometimes they just didn't do a good initial job at the factory and you can fix that yourself. Or just live with it, or send it back (but then, another unit might introduce some noises as well after a while).
@@joepfruman1111 Unfortunately I have to agree with you. I recently got a numa x piano gt and it had several black keys clicking out of the box. It got worse over 5h of playing and one white key feels even different than the others now. I will send it back now and get something else. That PHA50 also clicking is also a bad sign, what else should one get?! All keybeds have these engineered to fail approaches which is very annoying tbh.
for me... I'll go for YAMAHA CP88. Numa is not a bad actually its a good piano i should say. But the sound Numa offer is not that bright as CP88. I fell like the sound (Numa) is trapped inside a close container, unable to enjoy that quality sound.
@@bobrobertson9547 I fully agree with you. I did found a very nice preset. I did split the S700 from low range to mid range and the C7 from mid range to all the way to the high range. I sold the CP88. I kept the Numa due the better midi integration and also better key action feel.
They are two great instruments. But I found the Numa to have a more open and natural sound.
Came for the comparison, stayed for the playing. Thanks.
Both are great piano instruments, but, I like Yamaha better. 😎🎹🎵
The studio logic sounds warmer and produces a better low end tone. And the hand crafted. Italian keyboard is just a very nice bonus. I also like that it has a four channel mixer, built-in to it.
It's no wonder that the Italians are among the three countries that make the best pianos
Your playing skills are simply terrific, I am beginning to think like where to start? Love, appreciation and Greetings from INDIA.
Great performance and comparison.
I much prefer the Studiologic Numa X Piano GT. I'm very happy with my purchase.
Thanks for the comparison test.
well done 🎹 nice playing
Great work. Subbed
I like the sound of the Numa X more, a little bit more natural to me.
Excellent 💯🙏
Thanks for the test. Studiologic X Piano GT sounds better. Also, the control panel is much better resolved, it is elegant and the color change on the control elements according to the used sound - layer is very informative. Setting 4 split points is great.
You are a grest pianist, so both instruments make the people happy9
Very nice video. Numa sounds brighter, warmer, more powerfull, greater, more natural, piano like from wood, not plastic. Maybe your position during playing makes some difference in "power" of sound?
Good to hear both back to back. They are very close but I prefer the CP88 sound the GT being modeled is just too perfect sounding and perfect is boring. He to said I have a StudioLogic SL88 Grand and that keybed is GREAT so that is why I was interesting in the GT's sounds. Thanks for making the video.
FYI Numa X Piano GT acoustic pianos aren't modeled, only the electric pianos. They're sampled and modeled nuances like pedal noise, string and damper resonance etc. can be tweaked. The best pianos are in the free library so you'll learn nothing from these compressed audio TH-cam videos of factory sounds.
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Hello dear talantl maestro! hear 1 and 2 variant..keyboards! Very need open , sincere big respect 1 and 2 companies, for person ,magik sound!! What`s in 1 variant peson-unicaln sound,what`s and in 2 variant very good magik sound too!! Yours person vision on yours sound,on yours lovely sound too !! Thank-you very much for magik test-play,reklam!!! Health and big good luck!!
Great job! Which one feels the best to you? Lovely playing, I'm green with envy! I think I prefer the Studio Logic sound. It sounds fuller and warmer to me. But that doesn't matter since I use Pianoteq.
Depends how you’re going to use it. For home studios the x is Nord like for realism. The CP will trounce it live though because it’s brightness and power will cut through. BTW the audience won’t care either way but the Yammy will be heard more clearly.
FYI: EVERY brand of keyboards has to be eq'ed for each unique live venue, and I've gigged with most brands, including Yamaha. Been making custom patches ahead of time (for playing live) for fifty years. Reverb has to be cut. Bass and low mids have to be cut. Highs have to be boosted or choose a brighter custom patch. Only amateurs play factory patches live.
So tired of this old, lame nonsense that brand X cuts through better live than brand Y. I know!.... How about asking your drummer and guitar player to turn down and take some classical and/or jazz music lessons to learn to how play with some dynamics? Or better yet, just play solo gigs from now on LoL! 🤔😂
@@briangoodner8680 Hello Brian - just scan read your reply. May I suggest that when you reply to people who express a different opinion to yours that you refrain from ‘attempting’ to combine arrogance and passive-aggressive stuff such as ‘lame’ and ‘tired of this old….’ (Ironic Brian ….. after all you’ve told everyone you’ve been doing this for FIFTY YEARS). Also using the term LOL and some emojis (like young people use Brian) suggests desperation. Back to the subject. You can eq all you like but you’re ultimately limited by the sound voicing of an instrument. Perhaps google Elton John’s use (to this day) of an old Roland MKS20 module combined with a Yamaha Motif midi’d to his grand piano. Compared to the latest Nords, Yamaha’s and VST’s etc it doesn’t come close but it ‘cuts through’ to audiences in both band and solo situations. But no doubt Elton would defer to your long experience playing your instrument……Lol.
If the eq and effects can be tweaked and saved in a preset on the studiologic I’d go with the Numa. I test drove a Numa a few months ago and liked its sounds and action. Nice presentation and dmo. Thank you.
Not sure on the Yamaha, but the Numa has a massive selection of different pianos and even more EPs
I think the Yamaha has a better sound especially for mixing. The Studiologic is overly warm imo. With that being said, the Yamaha chances are will work better with mixes and being able to cut through a mix.
So, I did come over here to watch your video, but firstly man, you have an excellent touch on the keys man, so so good! Inspiring me to pick up my MIDI keyboard and practice. 😅
I see here you play the Numa X Piano GT, I wonder if you've played the Numa X Piano (the one with the TP/110 Action) or something that has that action? I'm so used to the quality of sounds of the Yamaha so I'd naturally want to have it (or it's little brother the CK), but the Numa does look quite nice to be honest.
If only they shipped to where I am currently. 😥
I have not played the TP/110 action yet. I heard is good but still noisy. The GT is very quiet compared to the cp88. Also the feeling and the keys are very well balanced in the studiologic
I have an X73, the Fatar TP110 keyed has a great feel, better than the TP100 in the Nords
Hello! Thank you for the great video. I'm curious about the keyboard of the Studiologic Numa x piano GT. I'm currently using the sl88grand model as a master keyboard, and according to the website, it seems that the GT's keyboard has been slightly upgraded. I wanted to ask if you have any experience with the sl88grand, and also, I'm curious about the touch response compared to the cp88.
I have not tested the sl88. I had played many keyboards and this beats every single one of them. Even the Roland Rd2000. I haven't tried kawai pianos. But this studiologic keybed feels close to a steinway piano.
@@ispianist Thank you for sharing your opinion.👍
Thanks for your comparison! I'll just talk about the sound. At the beginning it seems that Studiologic sounds more voluminous and saturated. Yamaha, on the other hand, sounded thinner and not as filling. But, listening closely, you can see that Studiologic has slightly raised mids. This gives some color and creates a fill sound effect, but still some muddiness is captured in the sound. And Yamaha has a more correct and linearly aligned sound. It has no added rumble in the middle frequencies. The sound is more natural. Does not "load" the ear, less tiring. As a result, the perception of Yamaha sound is lighter and more comfortable and more detailed. It doesn't matter if it's on record or live. The Yamaha sound is more comfortable in my perception.
This may be irrelevant, but I have the Yamaha DGX-670 and hate the clumsy user interface. I combine the Yamaha's internal voices with Pianoteq Pro. which at least for the acoustic piano voices creates a very rich satisfying tone., The DGX by itself is rather dull and a lifeless. The point I'm really making is it's not simply how these instruments sound, but how easy they are to use. Frankly based on the DGX, I'm concerned the Yamaha could be convoluted and overly complex. As for this demo. on my computer system, I prefer the sound of the Numa X. Every time I hear a nice sound and scroll up to see what instrument it is, it's the Numa X.
totalmente de acuerdo contigo el numa se oye espectacular !@@JoeLinux2000
Thanks for the nice comparison. What piano sounds did you use with Numa in this video?
I used the German at the beginning of the video. I did changed it to Japanese but can't remember exactly the minute when I did it. I will record another one.
One thing I’ve noticed is that CP would sit nice in a Musical performance while Numa will sit nice in a Vocal performance.
I think you make a good point. As a stand alone instrument the Numa has warmth which is very desirable. An instrument that is too dry is not good.
Have you ever tried Kawai VPC1 action? I am trying to decide between the Numa and VPC1. Interested only in the piano action. For referente I had a Roland PHA50 action was good but not close to a real piano. Tried VPC1 and liked It a lot but I cant try the Numa. I wonder which IS better. Also for some reason I like more VPC1 action compared to MP11SE one.
The CP sounds brighter. I like the sound of the GT now I have the CP 88 but I have been looking at the GT. Both of them sounds great it’s just at the CP sounds a little brighter.
The EQ of the CP88 was off. It can sound little bit more punchy if you change settings.
Have you downloaded the 1.5 update. They may have something more dark
@@BUJU2007 For the CP88??? I did downloaded the latest version available. I have 9 acoustic pianos total.
@@ispianist…if you were forced to keep just one of these two, which one would you keep, which one sell? And why? Great channel…😊
@fragu123 I am keeping both. I use the cp88 for gigs. Has still good key action. Also is lightweight for a 88 hammer feel action. Is just happens that the studiologic has an amazing key action. Also is a powerhouse as controller. You can select up to 4 midi channels or mix it with the internal sounds of the board. But if I had to sell one probably would be the CP88. I use many vst and the studiologic has really good control interface to manipulate midi and also you can use it as a daw.
The Numa has a more mellow tone and the bass notes has more string resonance Andre SA
I think what it is you have more options to tweak the Numa XGT more than Yamaha CP , numa give u options not just eq
Not sure what sound you used on the Numa around the 4:20 mark, but wow! I own a Roland RD2000, and have never been really all that impressed. Trying to find a NUMA to try out somewhere within 200 miles of me, but so far, none!
I had played the roland rd2000. It does have an excellent key action. Very similar to the Numa GT. Is just slightly heavier than Numa. I personally prefer the Numa over the Rd2000. But taste is subjective. I like the Roland Rd2000 supernatural piano tone engine over the Numa piano tones. The Roland supernatural sound similar like pianoteq.
The Numa seems deeper and more natural.
It seems to have more presence and warmth as a stand alone instrument.
The numa sounds nice but it’s not a sampled instrument the way the yahama is and if you turn it up you can hear it. The numa just sounds like a colored waveform, the yahama sounds definately more realistic to me
What’s the same key repetition rate like on the numa please? Is it on par with the cp88 and other digital pianos?
I'm thinking about getting one of these. Can't decide, really hard. Tried out the NumaX yesterday, unfortunately they did not have the CP88 at the store to test.
I am uploading a video soon about the differences between keybeds, functionality and tones.
@@ispianist oh very nice. I will buy at the end of the year so I'm not in a hurry :) Thx for the videos.
Numa wins for me. Not because I'm Italian... I actually like it's warmer, more natural tone better.
TO my ear it just feels more comfortable. It kind of depends on which has the better user interface. Too much buried complexity is not good. I'm not convinced Yamaha has a grasp of a good easy to use user interface. I don't know anything about Nujma X's interface.
Thanks for this video. Considering all characteristics from these two stage pianos (sounds, keybed, construction, etc.), Which do you prefer?
I guess depends what are you doing with the keyboard. The studiologic is very powerful on stage and in the studio. The keybed is just beyond phenomenal. The piano tones sound ok. I rather the cp88 sound more natural. Here in the video sound little bit flat but I had the EQ turned off. It can sound very punchy on stage. I use the cp88 for live gigs. Is just easier for playing live on stage if you are not going to use a laptop. Also does have 2 XLR. That is very important to me. I use those 100% of the time. The key bed is great. Is not as good as the studiologic but is a great keybed. Also is 10 lbs lighter. If you are only use it to record in the studio I'd take the studiologic. It will definitely put a smile on you when you feel the keys. Specially if you use vst. You can even mix the internal sound of the board and midi it is a very cool keyboard.
@@ispianistI felt that when you mentioned it will put a smile, i tried it the other day @ my local guitar center and oh boy first 2 things i noticed about this stage piano was the amazing keybed action it has, feels so good that i had to sell my komplete 88 MKII 😅. Second thing i noticed was the build quality of the numa is amazing, professional perfect for my studio.
@@ispianist is there any keyboard that would have the keybed of the studiologic but the sound of the yamaha? I just prefer the sound of the yamaha, felt cleaner and more natural to my ears
@@codoacodoinicial I just found out a new piano under Studiologic. Sounds very close to the Yamaha CFX. I had to change many settings on the Numa. I will upload a new video soon.
Hi, Which piano sounds did you select for this recording?
Studiologic has a more interesting piano sound. Yamaha old tired sound)))
Both are good.
Yamaha CP88 SE ESCUCHA MUY SUPERIOR.
Thank you for this comparision, and about feel touch,wich you prefer?
Studiologic is way better on key action. I do prefer the piano tones on the Yamaha.
@@ispianist ok thank you
Numa sounds warm and ambient and not as bright as CP. I’d take Numa, it’s ready without EQing (for my taste)
Just ordered GT :)
Numa is like a micro Nord Stage
EdrumSense But I don't think that Nord Stage has a graded action. Does it have aftertouch?
Nice review. Just wanted to know one this how’s the key action of Numa X-GT compare to the Yamaha CP88 and Kawai MP11SE. I really like the Numa X-GT but little confused about the key action I love action on Kawai MP11SE and Yamaha I never get opportunity for demo but Yamaha action is always better. If the action is good on Numa X-GT then I might go with the Numa X-GT. I need a firm responsive and firm action for long run use. Thank you! ❤
If you go for the Numa action I think you are going to regret it. The numa x is a Fatar TP100LR, really heavy and without escapement, even though they are using triple sensor so the dynamics are AWESOME. Yamaha is using a GHs old version and Kawai I dont know but Ive never heard a complain about their action.
The nuna GT uses a graded action but its similar to the TP-40 or TP400.
I digress.. The numa GT uses TP400 and the numa x uses the TP110, both are superior than the TP100LR
And the CP88 uses NW-GH (natural wood graded hammer) with triple sensor. The old GHS does not even come close to that in terms of natural feel and expressiveness. The NW-GH tends to be a bit heavy for some players though, but for me it’s by far the best keybed I’ve experienced in a stage piano ever. One of the main reasons I’m sticking to the CP88 for now.
I recently bought a Numa X GT and I have an MP11SE. I always liked the MP, but the GT to me, is making me think of selling my Kawai. The GT is so fast and responsive, the weighting balance is superb. It makes the MP feel a little sluggish, and I tire quicker on it. The GT is less tiring on my wrists for some reason.
@@luucdentoom6955The cp88 has a great key action. But I'm my opinion there is not a match with the Studiologic Numa X piano GT. The studiologic is in a different level. I have played many grand pianos "Yamaha, Steinway and sons, Baldwin. The key action on the studiologic is very close to a grand piano. The Yamaha CP88 feels great but is not even close to a real action. Also is loud when you pressing the keys compare to the GT. Blessings
A bit overkill for music production in front of a PC. A good keybed + Pianoteq IOS App will cost almost nothing and sounds better.
@ispianist What is the name of the sound at 4:50 on the studiologic?
It is call "fantasy" I did tweak the sound. I also added acoustic piano. You can have up to 4 layers of voicings at the same time. I prefer the studiologic over the CP88 when adding layers.
O numa é bem melhor, o timbre de piano soa muito bem.
Team yamaha pero me gusta el numa tambn.❤
How’s the key noise between the two; with the volume off? Hard to decide which to get for studio… both are tasty :)
The CP88 is way louder.
@@ispianistthx brother!
Are these the default sounds mate??
Hi mate, I'm debating myself to buy a Numa X 88. I have got a YC 88 I am not so happy with the result. I come from a Yamaha CVP 505.
My main interest is the piano accoustic sound. With one great sound thats good enough to me. If other extra sounds were to be good, that's an extra.
Yeah I was on the same boat with my Yamaha CP88. I went through configurations and used 2 of my favorite pianos. I did split 2 patches in one. I am using the patch S700 starting on the lowest key (A0 to B3) then the patch C7 starting on the key of (C4 all the way to the key of C8). To me the CFX sounds too bright to my taste. I will upload a new video with my favorite pianos on both keyboards and the configuration I use. I did use factory pianos when I recorded this video.
@@ispianist I have tried your idea. However, I try back to back my YC88 and my Yamaha CVP505 and the sound difference is VERY noticeable. Which makes me sad for the CVP is nearly 15 years old. I really don't know what to do. I need a piano to perform, but being so used to that sound (505) which to me is utterly superior, makes me feel uncomfortable when playing the YC88.
@@ispianist would be nais to see a comparison with the patched values and sounds used.
Also what made you change your mind on not selling the CP88, im sort of in a same boat as many trying to find a next gud piano. Sound is one of the most important to me with the right feel of key action. Was looking towards the Numa X GT and the CP88 and E920 and even the Nord Grand because of sound+action all together.
I wonder if the CP88 would best choice action + sound wise, but ofc hard to answer because of everyone has a favorite keybed feel + sound taste.
Right now I have to deal with my current Dexibell H1 while the sounds sound prety great, the key action is so bad it makes not even want to touch the piano haha. Other problem is there are no close by stores at all so need to rely on just tons of videos and forums to get to know each piano and its sound + action.
Gud luck with all
@@mr-_-cat7381 Yes I will definitely record one video pretty soon. Stay tuned. I actually getting rid of the CP88. I do love the sound but I love the Numa GT action even more. Also I just got the iPad with the M2 chip. I do have tons of vst that complements with my numa.
@@ispianist Yo, thanks for your quick response man I appreciate it. Thats sounds awesome would love to watch that ofc no rush, your videos where very clear put together so thumbs up for that! I prob should test out the Numa X GT was in my mind for a long bit as well, and yeah for the price diff should be easy to buy an iPad with it with indeed gud chip for VST's and buy some on it. Its just to bad I can't connect my Samsung S9 Ultra with it, but then the chip of iPad is ofc way stronger in the M2/M3 line range stuff.
I heard a lot of people really like the Pianoteq 8 gonna check of thoose pricings haha. Gud luck with the sell hope all goes well!
Better Numa x piano!
Too bad you didn’t do the Electric pianos yet I want to here a comparison
Honestly, they sound very very similar. If you aren't watching the video, it's hard to tell when he switches keyboards most of the time. And you could probably set EQ to make them even closer. So I'd choose based on things like the action, the panel and price rather than the basic sound. Because either one would work well for most people.
In your opinion, which key bed feels better on your fingers
The Studiologic, way better.
Is the studiologic keyboard loud? . I recently played a nord piano 5 (fatar keyboard TP 110) and it was very loud! - an instrument for over $3000!?! sic!. Some keys worked/clicked louder, others quieter - in the new instrument!
I am not a fan of Nord because of it's questionable durability. I prefer Roland, Yamaha, and Korg in the mentioned order.
@MrRafalSC I used to own an Arturia MK2 with the fatar TP100. I really liked the interface and the faders, pads etc. I sold it for few reasons.The loud action when pressing the keys was one of them. Also when playing scales the keys didn't feel balanced and was spongy. The TP400 wood is very quiet. I think because it does have mechanical escapement. It does have very well balanced and firm keys just like the Roland PH50 Wich is also very quiet and feels similar like the Numa GT. I will record a video soon just playing the keys in both of these boards. The CP88 has a very loud action, but probably less noisy than the NORD. I honestly think the fatar tp110 and the tp100 are very similar or identical. Even Studiologic claims to be different but I highly doubt it. Blessings.
@@ispianist I disagree. The TP110 is a different beast than the TP100. I rate the TP100 pretty much unplayable, which is something I cannot say about the TP110 , which can be very enjoyable and responsive . They are both noisy - in that respect there is less difference, but the TP110 'bounces' much less, whereas the TP100 feel much more sluggish and slow.
Doesn't Piano 5 have TP/40H action?
nie, pomyliłem się :) ma TP 40H@@pawelsz95
I currently have an Alesis midi keyboard. And a "real" piano. I'm not much of a keyboard player (I grew up with the clarinet, but use the keyboard as a compositional tool).
I'd like to have a keyboard that, like the Alesis, I can use as an input/control device for Logic. But there are times that I just want to play, or to practice, or to chill, without having to hook stuff up. So I think I want a digital piano rather than a midi keyboard, but obviously I still want to be able to connect up via USB. I've got a space limitation with my work center though, so I've been looking at the Numa 73 for that reason.
Do you think that something like the Studiologic would be a good all-around controller AND piano? I want the semi-weighted keys. I want the high quality instrument sounds. Am I going in the right direction with something like this? It certainly sounds great when played by someone who knows what they're doing. It's a lot of money perhaps for someone who is less adept. I dunno. Perhaps it just appeals to me. Or perhaps it's just because it fits the space! Any thoughts you'd care to share?
The piano sound of this Yamaha is similar with the yamaha P515?
Yes. The p515 includes the CFX and Bosendorfer samples. The cp88 does have more sample pianos.
How would you compare the keyboard action?
When I played the CP88 for first time felt great. Well balanced keys with right weight. Beautiful keys and excellent built quality. But.... When you play the Studiologic feels that you are playing a real Steinway piano. The Studiologic is in a different league. The Yamaha feels cheap when you compare to the Studiologic. The Studiologic has a firm key action. It is just a tiny heavier than the Yamaha. The Studiologic does have escapement action. You can feel the mechanical weight when you press the keys. Also the travel when you press the keys on the Studiologic is shorter than the CP. I like that. But that is subjective I guess.
@@ispianist thank you for the comprehensive answer!
Which one has a better keyboard action?
Definitely the Studiologic.
I have a Numa x and gt for quite a while now and though I like the key action , the piano sound never worked for me. It is too “tangy” , like the older Korgs , and there is a distinct disconnect between the action / response and playing soft passages . As if the only way the sound engine reacts is by lowering the volume way too much and closing a low pass filer . Bed unnatural , very unpleasant. Have always hooked up the Numa to my Yamaha gear (CFX samples) or pianoteq . As long as the Numa has such an unnatural disconnect between action and sound I’d always pick another brand for the AP’s if you only use the internal sounds .
Hello friend, did you say that you have both? the version number x and the gt? if so, i only have the gt, please, i would like to ask you if the keys of the numa x are lighter to play than those of the gt? Or is the difference very small? I work on orchestral music, and I like the gt a lot for piano, but it seems that the escapement is a bit uncomfortable for playing strings, cello, everything vsts. Would it be better to have the numa x solo, for strings, brass, woodwinds... and the gt for pianos? In short, is it worth having both, if I'm using it as a midi keyboard vst controller? and my last question, the keys of the numa x are noisier than those of the gt? Please, I would love to know your opinion. Thank you very much and a big hug my friend.
@@electedmusic7685 As always - judging keybeds is very subjective ! IMHO, the response of the GT and normal X are not so very far apart. A few differences are : the normal x is noisier. The GT doesn't push your fingers up , the normal X does have a slight push-back making it more fatiguing and less natural. The resistance is much less than the old infamous TP100 keybed , but still. The repetition from the bottom of the key (fast repetitions with only releasing the key a slight bit) is better on the normal X than on the GT, where you have to release the key further up before you can re-trigger a note. The connection between acoustic piano sound and key is better on the GT , than on the x , which I find a bit odd in that respect. I did enjoy the normal x a lot as a MIDI / software controller, it's very all-round in that respect. Purely from a pianistic point of view I rate the GT much higher, being smoother, much quiter , having the nice wood finish and playing lighter / easier. Only the repetition is so so IMHO. Something I also noticed on the older TP40W in the SL88 Grand controller (slow in retriggering). The Tp110 in the Numa X is definitely a step up from the previous TP100. Side by side the normal X and GT are pretty close in responsiveness and feel, but at the same time different. If they had the same overall weight, I'd alway prefer the GT action. But considering the normal X is much lighter to carry and still very good and allround for many sounds, the normal X is very good for gigging. One last thing is that the TP110 may introduce some key squeaks and noises after a while. Some little ticking and clicking noises. The TP400W seems more stable in that respect, although on my Decibel S9 I experienced a key that didn't fully come up after it aged a bit. Still able to play it well, but this key seemed to become 'lazy'. I fixed it somewhat by re-greasing the key. Something you could consider to do with the X as well when it starts to introduce noises after a certain while. Overall, keybeds I know that do not have some sort of 'push back' feeling are Kawai RH-III, Kawai GF and Novus keybeds. Roland Hybrid Grand (e..g on the LX-706/708 and similar Piano Reality Concert on GP9 ) ; the PHA50 still has a slight push back affect. The higher end Yamaha keybeds (not the GHS which is terrible). the Casio Hybrid keybed on their higher end pianos and strangely enough some medelli keybeds, for instance on the Kurzweil PC4 (which is by the way very noisy). And the Tp400W (Dexibell S9/10, Numa GT). What's great though about the Numa and Dexibell (S9/10) keybeds is that they also feature a useable (!) aftertouch implementation, which none of these other keybeds have. So very nice as a controller.
@@joepfruman1111 okay. One question my friend, do you have click noise on any gt key? I have the gt, and it came to me with a mechanical noise in the last key on the left. It's a clicking noise, every time I press.
@@electedmusic7685 In short; all Fatar weighted keybeds, as far as I know , introduce some clicking somewhere along the way. TP40, TP400, TP100 etc. usually it is due to grease that wears out. You could open up a unit if you dare and puts some new grease on the mechanics of the clicking key. Even on a brand new PHA50 Roland I had clicking bij the way - also a matter of opening up the unit and removing and re-inserting some keys and putting some extra grease on them. With some boards DIY is not so difficult. The S9/S10 is very easy to open up. Numa X is also do-able. But think about your warranty - if you're not sure what you are doing or have doubts, please don't. Kawai RH-2 en RH-3 will need some grease due to clicking after extended use as well is my experience. Considering it maintenance of the keybed. Nothing lasts forever and sometimes they just didn't do a good initial job at the factory and you can fix that yourself. Or just live with it, or send it back (but then, another unit might introduce some noises as well after a while).
@@joepfruman1111 Unfortunately I have to agree with you. I recently got a numa x piano gt and it had several black keys clicking out of the box. It got worse over 5h of playing and one white key feels even different than the others now. I will send it back now and get something else. That PHA50 also clicking is also a bad sign, what else should one get?! All keybeds have these engineered to fail approaches which is very annoying tbh.
Studiologic Numa lo ammazza.
for me... I'll go for YAMAHA CP88. Numa is not a bad actually its a good piano i should say. But the sound Numa offer is not that bright as CP88.
I fell like the sound (Numa) is trapped inside a close container, unable to enjoy that quality sound.
Is the sound used at 4:22 stock or custom? Thanks
Custom
@@ispianist thanks for your prompt reply! Do you have these custom presets available for download? It’s sounds amazing!
@peterkirdan I will upload a video soon about what I am using for those presets.
Thank you!!!
@@ispianisti just got mine and can’t wait for your sounds 😊 they sound sooo good!
I don’t know how you’ve hooked up Yamaha CP88, but it doesn’t sound like mines. Yours sounds terrible.
@@bobrobertson9547 I fully agree with you. I did found a very nice preset. I did split the S700 from low range to mid range and the C7 from mid range to all the way to the high range. I sold the CP88. I kept the Numa due the better midi integration and also better key action feel.
Numa suck’s! What about Yamaha YC comparison with this GT? Also wooden keys
It is literally the same CP88 and YC88 but YC does have an organ engine. Both models 88 keys use exact same keybed.
Yamaha suck at all price ranges, the motif was the last good keys. Numa is better in sound and keybed. Yamaha should stick to making acoustic pianos