Nord Stage 4 vs Yamaha YC88 - Patch Battle!
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⏰ Timestamps ⏰
» 0:00 What We're Doing!
» 1:20 Let's Debate!
» 3:14 Comparing Pianos
» 5:16 Upright Pianos?
» 6:20 Swapping Jacks!?
» 7:44 Price?
» 8:16 Jack's Favourite Feature!
» 9:08 Layering Sounds?
» 10:02 Synth
» 10:29 Organ
» 12:45 Amp Sims?
» 15:32 Rhodes
» 17:44 Ambient Sounds?
» 22:42 Drone
» 26:10 The Winner?
» 27:13 Thanks For Watching!
» 27:34 Outro Jam!
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"You've got the advantage of being Mike Patrick" lol
A true Christmas treat. Well done all of you! This is what happens when you get two 'top of their game' musicians who are also great friends together. Magic!
I love this type of content.
Not that it's truly apples to apples, but I would love to see Stage 4 vs. Montage M 'Patch Battle'.
I have both- the YC88 pretty much has the same sounds as far as what they demo here.
@@benallen5967 Thanks for that feedback. I wasn't clear enough. I was referring to the Montage M vs Stage 4 not being an 'apples to apples' comparison (as far as the 2 overall machines) but those 2 would be fun to do this kind of video with still. :) Not trying get a back and forth going haha...goodness knows TH-cam has enough of that. I was just trying to clarify that I wasn't talking about the YC.
@@mshhoward well then, I’ll make a Montage M vs Stage 4 video!
@@benallen5967 That would fun! I've been to your channel before, but will go subscribe now :)
That was not truly apples to apples. You can compare a Nord White Grand (Steinway) to a YC CFX Grand (Yamaha) pianos and say one is better sounding than the other without personal bias... It's apples to orange, because I prefere the sound of the Yamaha pianos over the Steinway's, but you may have the opposite prerference.
But even worse, when they swapped jacks even the White Grand didn't sound very good compared to when he first played it through the other jacks. So not only are they completely different pianos, but the jacks/PA mixer is not the same for both... Plus the PA/Mixer guys was making changes and messing up...I could hear it changing as they were playing. Horrible comparison! Worst I've ever seen done. Is this supposed to be a professional legit comparison??? "I'm celebrating a bit"..!? I had to laugh at that, because he thinks he won the piano battle, when it was a complete sh!te show!!
Had they compared the Nord White Grand to the YC Hamburg Grand with working jacks EQ'd properly on both sides (& and decent sound person), it would have been more apples to apples... Or had a more Yamaha sounding piano patch on the Nord against the YC CFX.
These back to back battles are my favourite thing ever
The enthusiasm you have for gear is awesome, really enjoy the videos!
Love this comparison video, great job and awesome playing as well. Even though the Nord was louder with most sounds, what a surprise to hear the YC Leslie effect was SO much better in the stereo field! For literally twice the price, I would have expected the Nord to be the clear choice in everything.
Love this type of content - please make these long form keyboard and synth videos. ❤❤❤
This type of video is so good, please keep making more like this one.
That was excellent. Thanks guys. Have a good Christmas.
We LOVE hanging out with you two. Even if this wasn't connected to a retailer's preexisting rep and following, it would still be super popular.
There's no way this video is almost half an hour long, it seemed to me like 10 minutes!
You guys are absolutely smashing it: immensely talented, incredibly funny and good vibes and music all around.
Thanks!
Truly!!
You must have a lot of time on your hands..Learned absolutely nothing from this video 🤷
@@DrivethebeatYes, I do! :D
Great video... always great to hear you guys play off each other!
Great video!! It's so much fun to watch you!! More challenges like this please!!
Great! 👏👏👏👏
I can’t believe they did this video. Imma sit back and watch now 👏👏👏
Mike if ur seeing this just know we appreciate you sir.Ur really a blessing to us.
DO ITTTTTT! Nord Stage 4 vs Yamaha Montage M8X patch battle. Would love to see how they square up to each other see which one has better live / hands on capabilities.
Great video, loved this format, slightly spicier than the usual battles and a lot of fun. Well done gents. I was lucky enough to get an NS4 this year and it's a dream piano for me. Never ceases to inspire.
Fantastic video, Gents. A perfect warm up to Christmas.
Mike and Jack show up to the screen, and you know immediately that another legendary keys video is here! Hot takes and crispy licks aplenty. You can't help but love this.
Awesome video. You guys are having a lot of fun and I had a hell of a time watching you. LOL
Just got a NS4 these are super helpful to get to know it. Y Motif has been my rig for 20 years and finally ventured across the lines. Thanks!
Perfect choice
Just about any $2k keyboard works
But the Nord is a masterpiece of engineering and worth every penny of my $6,000.00
Way overpriced for what it is. @@ytpremium7649
Fantastic - real fun watching these giants of our UK keyboard industry.
1st video ive ever seen from your channel and im subscribed!
Wonderful, thank you! Just a note regarding the uprights to explain the huge difference in tonal balance (not talking bout compression): Mike loaded up the very specific and mellow Felt Piano. The U1 would be the "go-to" default upright in the YC series that isn't muffled like the Felt one.
Also sounded distorted. Not good.
these two gents together are pure happiness!
Great video as always, thanks guys. I'm a guitarist but keyboard newb and just got a Casio CT-S1 from you guys - it's great.
Maybe sometime you could do a video explaining the different types of keyboard and the associated features? Stage, Synth, Arranger, Workstation etc would be cool to understand. It'd also be cool to understand some of the basic keyboard specific features like transposing, arpeggiator and things like that.
Keep up the good work! Guitar's my main love, but keys seem to be a super versatile thing to get stuck into :)
Wauw what a great way to review them ❤
Heck yes, Mike Patrick video!
i love your chemistry, i'm not at all in doubt between these keyboards, but this was fun to watch!
I like the idea of patch battles! Could you do patch battle on semi-modular synth, where you try to reproduce famous tones or something like that?
Not mentioned: The YC has a built-in DI, submixer and audio interface with iOS compatibility. I find I use those all the time, whereas to get that functionality with a Nord I'd have to buy a $700 Radial Key Largo.
You could buy a YC88 and a Prophet 6 - a killer live rig - for significantly less than a NS4.
My live rig is the YC88 and Prophet rev2, very solid 2 keyboard setup. While the Stage 4 is a beast I see no practical reason for me to upgrade given that huge price gap.
@@existentbeing9678 how do you find the REV2 vs. other Sequential gear?
@@AynsleyGreen To be honest it's my first and only Sequential. I believe it has a thinner sound compared to the other Prophets but the 16 voice polyphony lets me get some super lush patches out of it. Very versatile synth and I haven't been able to justify bringing anything else out with me to a gig yet.
Great video. I dont know much about the YC but the Motif still to me has some of the best pianos.
VERY interesting comparison. Jack heard the compressed piano sound; I hadn't noticed - Good One! But you have to compress the piano anyway for both recording and live performance. When you play a Steinway - a loud piano - on studio recordings, you 'squeeze' it hard because the instrument is built to fill a concert hall without amplification. For electronic pianos you use compression to play it through a sound system or to make it manageable in a recorded mix, and, well, the YC-88 is 'pre-compressed' - perhaps not a bad thing. However, what I REALLY NEED to hear NEXT is how Mike MOVES/LIFTS his 62-pound Montage M8 without having chronic back pain! Thanks. Keep doing what you're doing - you're a treasure. I wish you continued success in the new year.
No comparison video has made me laugh so much :D. I have a NS4, and thought for years about the YC88. The main difference for me was hands on controls, but what I wasn't expecting was the full bottom end on the Nord. I usually have to throw the EQ on at home to cut some of that out, but I'm glad it's there when I need it!
They sound amazing playing together. I own the YC61 and love playing it at gigs. Nords do sound great.
Jack, after watching hundreds of your videos, I have to admit that your fanatical love for the Nord is totally justified. As my budget is almost non-existent, I have acquired in these years: vox continental, yamaha Cp (which I sold), CK61 which I love for rehearsing and finally a Nord, that is the electro 6D, good to start with. Thanks to Mike, apart from being a professor, he is a lovely person. Please more videos of this style, the part of seeing how you and Mike configure the sounds is totally amazing, THANK YOU both!!!
Looking for a new drawbar/ piano. Tough choices between the two. Thanks for the video. Cheers!
Love you guys!
This “duel” was so cool…and fun to watch. You guys seem to get along so well. Please do more of these. Even though I’m a big NORD fan, it was good to hear both players playing to the strengths of these keyboards. Maybe it’s my bias, but I think the organs and rotary effects of the Nord are unbeatable. Being a old fossil that gigged with both Vox and Farfisa, I would have liked to hear these organs without the vibratos (they both sound like the chorus vibrato was on on both instruments, which neither of the original instruments had. Both sound great…but I love my Nord Stage 4 88….which I’ll never part with before Nord releases the Nord 5 88. One thing about the Yamaha is that funky little throw switch that they use for the rotary effect…just feels kind of cheap, unlike the rest of the instrument.
Nord's organ unbeatable? I have NS4 compact and the organ is the worst of all the clones I have had (Crumar Mojo, Hammond SK1, SK Pro...).
Nord is very good at pianos and synths, as well as being unbeatable in terms of being a full keyboard, but the organ is dated and needs an update now.
Anyone who has touched a Crumar Mojo (which is quite a bit cheaper) knows what I'm saying.
I'm a fossil, too - played the Farfisa in the 60s.
Bless you both - An NS4 is sitting next to me. Play it nightly to practice. It doesn't sound compressed which is both great and makes you learn.
It beats the crap out of my studio sound system.
Thanks for this one, really enjoyed watching and listening you. Maybe Next time should be Dan Bingham with the NS4 “vs” Patrick with the New Montage…
Hilarious, nice one lads. I've gigged both the YC88 and the NSC4 - Nord is more powerful but complicated, Yamaha is dead simple, but killer action. It's a pretty close fight, especially given the price difference.
Couldnt agree mor about the action on the YC88! Still got a Nord....
Does your YC sound as compressed as Mikes did?
@@anotheryoutube4635 Not sure, the Yamaha piano sound is more focused, the Nord piano is broader, maybe that's what Mike was referring to. For that reason, I like the Yamaha better on a crowded bandstand, the Nord better in isolation.
The subtle passive aggressive responses are absolutely golden, could watch these for hours :D
The Nord definitely sounds better
Yes, much better
Loved the video, used to have a Nord Stage and even though solo sounds great, being too bassy sometimes was an issue and had to EQ it down in the mixer.
One big point in favor of the YC88 is the keybed, it's just miles ahead way way better than what Nord are using. You'd have to get he big Nord Grand to compete in feeling.
I went in to the shop fully intending to buy a Nord Grand for its action - I left with the YC, it's that good
THIS. I have always disliked the action on weighted key Nord instruments. It may be a personal preference, but MY personal preference is that I don't like them. I've actually had some (non-keyboardists) try to tell me I'm wrong because "Nord is the best" according to them - an elitist attitude brought on by clever marketing and overpricing which makes people perceive they are better than everything else. It infuriates me for several reasons, not the least of which is someone telling ME what I should like based on... nothing! They don't have a clue. I feel Nord keyboards are great sounding, and have nice features, but are completely overpriced by about 100% next to all of the other retailers with similar products. That doesn't mean they are better.
Perhaps the Yamaha does have the better action and is simpler to use, but that Nord piano definitely sounded better. I liked the clean Rhodes sound on the Yamaha, though.
@@kierenmoore3236 I play both all the time - the Nord piano samples sound great in isolation, but in a mix they can be a bit 'too much' - Keyscape is even worse, in this regard. The Yamaha piano sample just sit right in a live band, and I find the action is significantly more comfortable to play.
You could buy a YC88 and a Prophet 6 for the same money as a NS4 - that's a killer rig.
@@BillVincent totally agree with you. As a player in a church band most of my life, I get turned off to Nord by the keyboard players in church bands with their slogan of "If its not Nord it doesn't praise the Lord". Seriously. That's a thing. I could go on about that but I won't. I've always been a Korg, Yamaha guy.
This was insanely fun
You guys are both nuts…I love it. It’s so great to hear your takes on getting the sound that you’re looking for…and having fun doing it. A good part of that is the fact that you’re good friends. Please keep these videos coming !!
ps…my vote goes to the Nord.
Good outro, guys!! 😄👍
I used to be Yamaha user but, Nord showed up and felt in loved with the red one!
that was fun, thanks
The way jack flexed in the layering portion was great 😂
Jack & Mike… it can’t get any better than this!!!! you guys are such great spirits… love all the witty come backs and rivalry 😂 great fun and great energy and laughs along side an in-depth overview/comparison of the two keyboards. Hey by the way if I could drop you guys a quick question… when it comes to EPs mainly (and maybe acoustic pianos secondly too) would a Korg SV2S still hold up to this day under this competition from these and even additional other brands’ (including plug-ins like Keyscape) nowadays (2024)? And again, I’m talking EPs and pianos only I’m not talking about versatility. Thanks a bunch…cheers from Boston 😊🥂
Great challenge i really love this
Great playing and great video !!
I’m experienced in using the kawai mp7se, stage 4, and yc88, the white grand sounds the same as the white grand on the stage 2.
My top two boards will be the yc88 and mp7se. I really won’t use half the synths on the stage 4. To me it’s a waste of money. I am not a fan of the action on the stage 4. If your fingers get sweaty you really sure slip around alot but on the yc88, and mp7se i can play all day with no ISSUES at all. On the mp7se, it has the most intuitive virtual tech that you can adjust, but you don’t have even half the parameters or settings on the yc88 or the nord. The nord dont even have a pedal sound eithor, so that’s kind of a turnoff for me.
My fav YC88 sound is the c700.
Keep up the good work.
Love you guys!!!
Loved the editing on this video! 16:05 "ancient Yamaharian language" LMAO
I'm pretty sure there's something wrong with the YC88 setup, it really shouldn't sound so squashed like that.
Im really hoping he has compression on but didn't realize it.
I think you are right, I watched his old video comparing YC88 and NS3 and the same patch sounds different th-cam.com/video/GHA317YJx6o/w-d-xo.html
If it's anything like the YC83 that I tried months ago. For some reason the sounds are more squished on the 73 and 88 model than the 61 model for some reason
I agree!
Dang it! I was so hoping the Yammie could show up the red one.
Their laughter is so infectious.
They knew exactly why they decided to compare a Nord Stage 4 and a Yamaha YC. They are both stage keyboards. The Montage/M is a workstation and doesn’t belong in this comparison in my opinion.
"I GOT SHIFT VARIATION!" Nice Jack. Wonderful playing both of you!! Cheers from Sweden
Well done boys. The 2 best "key-tubers" out there, in one room, hamming it up... it almost doesn't matter what you're playing. 😂😁👊🏻
I have Nord stage 4 what an amazing experience for you ❤
Cool video!
Do Yamaha Montage M8x vs Roland Phantom 8 next.
Re do this video and make sure you have the YC inputs right and the sounds setup right. I have never seen a video on here showing a YC sounding so thin
💯👍
this is the strongest and funniest type of contest. send u love brothers! ;D
I love this, you guys are good
Lol very entertaining battle lads! Nord brought it no question! I'm a proud Electro 6D owner, but that Stage 4 is insane!
Yes, Stage 4 vs Montage M please! A lot closer in price and curious how they'd stack up.
Bad comparison. They are completely different type of keys
Not necessarily. I had both on my short list. The keyboard action, "live" workflow, sound quality and engines are all relevant comparisons.@@singsinghai1505
For me Yamaha sounds better. Warm and clear. I own some Yamaha's and Nord's too. Rhodes sound from Kawai sound's better too for me, like Nord's.
Don't hurt me 😅
Looking forward to see Quennel gaskin on your channel to try out nord and other boards.
The secret to the YC is to lower the output level in the settings. It does seem to have some type of built in limiter that is more aggressive the higher you set the output level.
This was fun guys, thanks.
A very pleasant video, i like that. Thank you a lot for the pleasure to listen all this very cool moment 🙏👍
I have used the Nord Stage 3 88 on a few events and personally didn’t click with it. I tried out a few other boards and ended up with the Yamaha CP88 and YC61 which at the time cost me less including high quality Soundwear and Gator cases than the Nord!
I preferred many of the Yamaha sounds over the Nord. Regarding the pianos the Nord has the edge with adjustable true sympathetic string resonance, release samples, hammer and pedal noise. I prefer the fundamental tone of the Yamaha pianos particularly the Hamburg but I really wish it had those features. If they added this in the CP/YC ranges it would be really interesting to hear how this would affect this shootout. I’m hoping Yamaha will add these hugely requested features from their ideascale page in a firmware update as I know they already exist in some of Yamahas digital home pianos. Overall the Nord samples have more low end but this can be eq’d on the Yamaha boards.
Regarding synths etc, neither the CP or YC were designed for this. However, one feature that I love about the Yamaha boards is the build in usb audio interface. This allows me to connect my iPhone or iPad with a single cable and trigger some really excellent iOS synths. I can then layer loads of synths with AUM if I want and get huge sounding patches!
The Nord Stage 4 definitely sounds great though and there are certain things I prefer about the sounds but then I prefer some aspects of the Yamaha sounds aswell which made the CP/YC combo a no brainer for me.
Well done fellas, really enjoyable video. I think Nord win it - however when I last played the YC I was impressed by the light key action on higher registers - e.g. when you want to do fast, rattly stuff for boogie/New Orleans.
So when are you doing the Stage 4 vs Montage M rematch ;)
“I’ve got a dirty clav” ~ Jack Duxbury, Dec 2023
Was that a euphemism?!
Something is definitely not set right with the Yamaha. During the upright sound test, it is more apparent.
Based on the other videos comparing the Nord and Yamaha on this and other channels on youtube, something is off with the YC sounds here. They have never sounded so different in previous videos.
Yeah, it felt wrong somehow and not only Yamaha. I was screaming internally for the whole video "Change the cables! Check the setup 2x! Phasing, LCR balance, etc.".
Recently I've been plugged accidentally stereo jack out from my keyboard into mono input and totally lost whole mid, pads started to dominate, piano started phasing and being washed out by becoming hearable via reverb only.
I'd totally redo that video. It's such a wasted potential. Maybe it only proves that Nord sounds marginally better when it's wired/mixed incorrectly?
@@dwsel The YC can use XLRs but that's not what they were using.
For sure… i played the yc88 in store today and it sounded nothing like it does in this video, somethings not right
too cool.....the kind of snippets sound so nice....
Lovely video. I'd like to hear both in a mix. Some keys sound great in the showroom. Some fit in the mix. If the YC sounds good live, way spend another couple thousand for a Nord Stage?
This was brilliant!
Would be good to see a comparison between the Nord Stage 4 and the Dexibell Vivo S3pro. I sold my Nord and picked up the Dexibell. I also checked out the Yamaha YC but decided on the Dexibell. Ease of use, fantastic sounds and great action. I do have the Yamaha MOX88 and love the sounds on that but functionality of the Dexibell is much simpler and straightforward. It's a fantastic stage and gigging keyboard.
Dexibell?…hahahahaha is it a joke?…
@@giovannidaza4574dexibell is owned by former roland employees. Dont sleep on it!
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I think the true challenge that could properly compare these different beasts, is to simply ask questions like:
"Can you make me sounds for a gig like:"
"I need a sweet organ for a wedding"
Etc.
Obviously the more money, the more features. But realistically, we all are wanting an easier way to create good sounds that are relevant.
I'm not even a player but this was hugely fun to watch.
I think if we want to get to better pricepoints, it really should be vs the montage.. and the nord automatically will have the lead on the organ, remains to be seen on the rest.
Forget the boards- you guys are just fantastic haha
It's the Nord for me!! Now the real battle would be bring in that Montage M than we would have a battle!!
As a live sound guy I do not like Nord because it takes so much space I have to work harder on it to make it fit with the rest. I feel like the Yamaha would cut through better with less effort maybe. But I would say that on its own, the Nord is one level higher, with lots of presence and reality in its sounds. The Rhodes in the twin really reminded me, well, a Rhodes in a twin.
That was great, brilliant keyboard exposé, and hilarious 😂
Please redo this video - the YC does not sound like its setup right.
Nord vs. Montage would also work.
The nord is a fortune but boy does it sound great! And packs a huge feature set. A desert island synth/piano/organ for sure!
Nord 4 vs Montage M, please! 🙌
also balanced outs on the YC. don't need a DI box
Nord Stage 3 vs Nord Piano 5? I'm looking at upgrading my 15 year old son's Piano. He has been leading worship at our church for 3 years now and has out grown his Yamaha. He has started writing his own music and is performing outside of church. I was looking at the Nord Piano 5 based on a recommendation and then noticed the stage 3 on sale. I would love to hear your thoughts.
More dueling keyboards!!!
I think we need a Montage rematch!
Something has got to be wrong with YC88 sound setup it shouldnt sound so compressed like that. If you watch any other videos on the YC it sounds much more full, including other ones Jack has put out
I agree, I want to know what mixer they’re using cause the yc has a higher noise output, maybe gainstage issue?? I like the yc because of how real it sounds compared to the nord
Played the yc88 in store today, sounded nowhere near how it did in this video. somethings gone wrong here
I wonder if it was the gain. Yamaha is not THAT compressed at all.
That Nord is the best they've ever sounded! They usually sound like crispy.
There’s an all-conquering advantage to the Nord Stages that is rarely mentioned in shootouts, and that’s the audio routing. You get four outputs that are configurable as two stereo pairs or a stereo pair and two mono. That makes it possible to, for instance, run the organ through a volume pedal in stereo, or send it mono to a real Leslie or a Ventilator (the only two possible improvements over Nord’s beautiful Leslie sim, IMO). Run the synth section dry through a mono output into some stomp boxes at the same time, and you still have a mono or stereo, depending, output for your piano. There’s even a handy mono button to mash in the piano section.
(Sure, you don’t “need” all this, as the Stage 4 does extremely well offering up top notch effects, but when is “more” a bad thing? I greatly appreciate the options.)
It surprises me that for nearly two decades now every other manufacturer’s “one-keyboard solution” attempt has missed this.
Fun-ass video by the way!