YAMAHA CK vs STUDIOLOGIC NUMA X PIANO REVIEW - Feature Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2024
- Review and comparison of the YAMAHA CK SERIES (CK61 CK88) and the STUDIOLOGIC NUMA X PIANO 73/88 GT features and capabilities.
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Thanks for another great chapter Woody!! Your advice is like listening to an old friend talking.
cool. that's always my aim, thanks!
Great comparisson, as allways! But everybody forgets about Numa X 88 ( not GT ). If you really need your 88 keys to be light and portable, this is 14 kgs. The TP110 keys feel so much better than the Yamaha. And a more powerfull controller.
Thanks for this comparison. I was excited for the Yamaha when I first saw it, but the more I see of the Numa X, the better I like it. It seems to offer a lot for the money.
it certainly does, if you're just into piano, definitely worth a try.
Thanks for your reviews! I bought the Numa GT 88key a few months ago. So happy with my piano! Best key feel I have ever had on a stage piano. The Yamaha CK 88 was the other one I was considering, but the keybed on the Yamaha is clearly not as good. For me the organ did not matter so much and I don't intend to lug it around often so weight is not a huge issue.
I recently tested a lot of stage keyboards. At the end I bought a Yamaha yc73.
I can report that Numa X piano GT (the one with wooden keys) has the best keybed I ever tested. It's simply wonderful.
I don't like to carry 88 keyboards on stage because they are too big to stay on a car rear seat. So I decided on YC73 because it is a good mix with a very good hammond simulation.
yeah, kinda wish i'd opted for the wood keys too, if only wood was available on the 73!
Yeah, I went straight for the GT within weeks of it’s release, bought from BAX Music on a fab deal !
Thank you! This is very helpful!
I have the NumaXPiano 73 as yours and for me the Fatar TP110 keybed...is simply one of the best in the market, a lot better than the keybed mounted in the CK. Regarding the sounds is a matter of personal taste but if you want more...there is always the iPad anyway 😂
I would love to see this released as a "simple" MIDI controller keyboard. I have no need for the built-in sounds or the digital mixer. I have not read a single bad word about the key action and 73 keys would be perfect for my live gigs.
@@jamietopolski4019 I can confirm you...TP110 awesome keybed 👍🏻
@@federicovalmassoni3827I’ve played the Numa X 73 twice in a music store. I also thought the action was very good, but also noisy, something that another popular TH-cam reviewer has noted. But beyond the thump-thump noise that you might expect in a digital keyboard, there was also an unusual metallic clang in the higher register of the keybed. And I’ve read a couple of other reviews by owners who mentioned this. Anyway, as an apparently contented owner, could you comment in a bit more detail about your experience with the keybed, now that a little time has passed. Thanks for reading.
@@stanley5394 Frankly I can confirm what you noticed but....I always play with headphones 🤷🏼♂️😂 so at the moment the keys noise is not a matter for me.
Anyway I continuously find the piano sound so exciting 😍 and the action is one of the most expensive on the market 👍🏻.
@@federicovalmassoni3827Thanks.
Subscribed. Hi Woody, which would work best for Keyscape and Spitfire VSTs you reckon?
Thanks for the new video Woody. Ah, so the CK only has 3 zones and the Numa has 4 zones. I quite fancy being able to layer the bottom end of a stage piano - something normally not possible with just 3 zones.
While the Numa does has aftertouch and a firmer action, it doesn't actually have a graded action. So I dunno which action I'd prefer. A rapid arpeggio test might have tripped up the GHS. I certainly find that it does on the P-45, but the P-121/125 GHS action feels a bit quicker.
I believe there is also a Numa 88 with the same TP-110 action as on the 73 model. And then there is the 88 GT version with a graded action and wood keys.
3 layers should be enough to do that... yeah, I overlooked a bit that there are 2 Numa 88s, thanks
Don't forget the Roland RD 2000, that is also a great stage piano, and you can do a lot of things with the eight layers, +8 internal layers, and eight external layers.
yeah. thats a monster, but hardly in the "budget stage keyboard" category?
Premium comparison Woody, lol. Thank you 😅
At the moment in my 2-tier setup I am using the Kurzweil SP6 (which I think IS very much in price/performance range of these), with a MODX6. I am looking hard at the Numa due to aftertouch, although the other little tool in my rig is the Voce V5 drawbar module through a Boss RT20. I am growing to like the Kurzweil but there are things I do like better on both of the keyboards you reviewed here. Always love your content and enjoy that Scott Joplin!
I was just going to comment about him not mentioning Kurzweil, their gear has always been my favorite. The PC4 and K2700 are some of the best keyboards on the market.
High five 🖐 Team Kurzweil here. I've got the same boards except I have longer version of Yamaha (MODX7). I'm not really using it to its full capacity as I didn't do deeper editing of the patches. Recently added Kurzweil SP6 because I wanted to have "normal width weighted 88-key" and wanted to grab one of the last units before SP7 appears. I like their approach to splitting/layering + I really like piano and strings sounds on Kurzweil. I consider Kurzweil's piano the same tier as Nord's. I was always 50:50 on MODX7 CFX due to the semi-weighted keyboard giving less favourable response. If I were to start fresh I'd definitely go for Yamaha CK 88 or Kurzweil PC4.
more joplin to come, i'm really into it at the mo!
The endless rotary knobs is THE way to do this. Had the CK88 and issue is switching between presets is a pain because parameters jump when you touch a knob and you forget what it’s actually set to. Ironic that the “piano” has aftertouch and the “keyboard” doesn’t.
The CK88 right speaker began rattling within a month, just using piano sound that comes with the device, not layered sounds or blasting music through it. Just had the gain up a little because they’re anemic without it. The replacement had the board that the mod wheels connect to begin rattling within 2 weeks (the wheels feel like the cheapest thing on the product by far, not enjoyable to use at all). So I concluded the CK are under-built and not going to deal with a failing product two years from now. Not for that price.
It sounds good and UI is very intuitive but the physical product is lacking, extra annoying they put the old GHS action then release a new improved action within 6 months for other piano products. Not impressed.
Edit: so ironically too, the main standout feature of built in speakers was the main downfall for me on two separate units. The action compared to a CP is, even as a novice, noticeably heavy and sluggish.
Thank you for the review. The Yamaha CK looks nice at first glance and will certainly find its interested parties, but it is more of a toy, albeit a pleasant one. Studiologic NUMA X Piano has more options, even with regard to loading additional sounds from the manufacturer's website, which is not possible with the Yamaha CK. The four layers of NUMA X Piano, which can be freely mapped to the keyboard, are also better. Yamaha CK has 128 note polyphony, NUMA X Piano has 300 note polyphony.
It seems like a very interesting keyboard from a minor manufacturer, though at a $300-500 uptick over the analog Yamaha would be enough to put it in a price class above (though both are way above a noob like me). An immediate concern I have looking through its website is that neither the site or manual seem eager to tell me what those 200 sounds it does have include - the site *implies* there would be disproportionately biased towards various kinds of pianos, but what else is there is unclear.
@@kosomolsk Hello, a list of all sounds can be downloaded from the manufacturer's website. NUMA X PIANO --> support --> PDF file numaxpiano MIDI maps.
th-cam.com/video/rAkuk2O0qbA/w-d-xo.html
Haven’t tried the numa, the Yamaha is nice and has a lot of on the fly adjustments
The Numa a hybrid using sampling up front with the modeling added
I need organ for my blues gig.
Thank you for the great video, as always; very informative and timely! Quick question for you, have you checked if the drawbars' behavior can be reversed so that they can be used as MIDI CC faders in a more 'traditional' way (all out/down for 0, all in/up for 127). I didn’t find such a function mentioned in the manual. I see drawbars send MIDI CC's, so I suppose it should be possible to set them up in DAWs by reversing the values within the software. But would be nice if it were possible directly within the CK setup. Some keyboards such as Kurzweils and Numa Compact 2x for example, have this function built in. Thanks!
i understand the question, it's a good one, but don't know the answer. I think you'll have to dig into the midi-specs in the manual... :)
Thank you Woody, I'll keep investigating!
What do you guys think about Roland RD88 vs NumaXPiano 88 Fatar TP110? I really need opinions on that
Same question here.
Thanks for the video Woody. I always find the Fatar action a bit too heavy (even compared to a real piano).
The fatar tp100 was heavy compared to the fatar 400wood.
The Numa 2X has 88 keys with aftertouch, a drawbar organ snd a dynth section. Plus it comes withsynh speakers.
hmm. was not aware of that, need to check that out!
@@WoodyPianoShack Numa 2X is great because of the aftertouch, drawbars, and speakers as well but the key feel and the actual plastic material throws me off. I got the NumaX88 by the way and I couldn't ask for more. the feel is out of this world!
If drawbars are important to you, the CK is the only option. I have the Numa Compact 2X as well, and while I love the sounds, the short keys gave me a VERY embarrassing evening when I could NOT play in time because where I place my fingers there was no leverage and the keys would not depress. THIS is not that keybed, my point is I preferred that organ to the CK, but as a gigging machine, factor in the option of having drawbars control.
yeah, don't like short key, or pivot length either... :(
I personally liked Yamaha because of its acoustic piano sounds
I play the ck 61 and SL 88 studiologic MIDI keyboard and both aré the Best option to me
best of both worlds!
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Both please
Again, the range of editing a piano and other sounds is very important, so important without extensive editing (massive editing) neither keyboard is worth buying. We all have our idea of the ideal piano sound, we need lots of ways to edit this sound to our liking AND to the chosen speakers, PA and headphones. Then we have our room for practice and the ever-changing venues stage and sound systems, all of these will change the sound of the piano enormously. All piano reviews always leave out this editing process and how much control we have over the sound. I have not heard the NumaX piano yet, but I have hope for it, so far, the only good sounding pianos with extensive editing I have heard are the Yamaha DGX670 and Roland RD-2000. (Editing should include: low pass filter, parametric eq at least 5 ranges, touch (velocity) control with a wide range of adjustment not just soft medium hard. individual key (note) adjustments (voicing) is a huge bonus. Then we should have resonance controls, lid control, pedal control for soft and sustain with half pedaling, hammer sound, pedal resonance, and extremely high quality reverb and delay).
Kronos has all that editing and much more - it uses ~1gb samples for the big pianos, and the "str-1" physical modeling engine for resonances and lid opening etc. You can even run it thru the FM engine if that's your thing.
Personally I still prefer the sound and feel of the Yamaha piano (P series, but it uses the same CFX samples and keyboard as the CK88 has). And also I tend to run it thru 2 or 3 reverbs anyway🤣, so I'm not too obsessed with "pure piano tone"... but I agree with you that a filter (both Kronos and CK88 have dedicated knobs for this) and/or an EQ onboard are nice to have, as well as other sound shaping possibilities, the more the better. CK and Kronos both have a decent reverb too. I've never used the Numa... I've tried their Compact 2x, and also their SL (Studiologic) piano controllers. I thought the organ keys (Compact) were too cheap and light feeling, and the SL piano keys were a bit bouncy for my taste.
@@GizzyDillespee So is the Kronos the only Korg with these features for piano? And no per key control of tone on the Kronos like on the Roland V-Piano? The cheap Yamaha DGX-670 has the best sounding "P" sound I have heard yet ( and fully editable). I played a P95 for 10 years, just replaced it with the RD2000 and will be adding the DGX-670 for a sampled piano and different feel.
th-cam.com/video/fuKuGJ9tBm0/w-d-xo.html
@@WildernessMusic_GentleSereneNautilus does. I've never tried a Grandstage, but it uses the same pianos... just not sure how much editing there is. And anything deep on that would need an app, I'd assume. Though I've never tried one, so IDK. I kinda wish Kronos had per-key adjustments. I like the standard piano it loads with, but there are a couple dead notes. D5 (Im assuming- it's the D above the C above the C that's below the left side of the screen on the 61🤣) right in the middle of its velocity range, it's just plinky and it stands out compared to the surrounding notes. The B4 (just below that D) has a velocity zone that irks me too. I think the Yamaha CFX is much more consistent. That makes sense, considering the Kronos piano is deeper sampled, and Korg is a little quirkier than Yamaha, as a company. I prefer playing the Yamaha, actually.
The digital grand 670 is a great Yamaha for portable piano. The RD-2000 is Roland's best for that, IMO. I'd be happy with those two... but you know Pianoteq just came out on iOS, and that's like the V-piano but with even more realism and more parameters you can adjust. Kronos STR-1 has some cool features for going beyond a realistic piano sound... just as a fun to play piano, I'd probably pick the Yamaha and RD-2000 above it, and that 3rd. I've almost bought an RD-2000 sooo many times. I like they keys on that one. I wish it was 10 lbs lighter🤣
No longer concerned about internal sounds. Software covers that . As a pianist i simply desire a keyboard that replicates piano with wooden keys and proper velocity, and that’s portable.
Btw; Not on the market of any one of them.
Still using NI Kontrol 49 first edition and loving everything about it
It's ok to compare apples et pears... 😉😎
The fantom 0 note steals. Was shocked and there's plenty of reports from big TH-cam guys looking at it it's a really shame I'd love the O.
All sampled pianos will note steal. The Roland modeled V-Piano in the Fantom, FP90x and RD-2000 is the ONLY piano that has Unlimitied polyphony just like a real acoustic piano.
I own a Fantom- O6, I did not buy it for the piano.
If Roland had better piano sounds, it would blow the others out of the water for me.
@@BUJU2007I used to own the Roland fp30x with the supernatural engine. I cam tell you sounded very nice. I like it better than the studiologic Numa. I own the numa GT
When comparing the sounds and all, I swing towards the CK. The Numa sounds a bit inferior to my ears.
The jump in price from the 73 note keyboard to the 88 note keyboard on the studiologic is ridiculous and very insulting really
Woody screwed up in this video. There's the Numa X 88 that's barely more money than the 73, but stupid Sweetwater ad that Woody used didn't show proper model. Both the 73 and 88 use the excellent tp-110 action that keeps the keyboard at a portable weight and lower price..
The Sweetwater ad that jumped the price up to $2k was for the GT model, which uses the TP 400 premium action with wood keys, and that model becomes too heavy for most of us gigging musicians to haul around because you have to also factor in the weight of your carrying case.
No insulting our intelligence from Studiologic, just an unfortunate misleading Sweetwater ad comparing apples and oranges.
If your classically trainee....NUMA
Plastic Fantastic for Yamaha
Thumbs up for SudioLogic for built quality :0
Nord Electro
$3,000 USD for Nord vs. $1,300 USD for Numa X (plus waterfall key action on Nord vs. hammer on Numa)
Nord?
Organ is dead
The 61 key version keybed yamaha is terrible feels like a kids toy keybed stay away
Is it the same as MODX6 or MODX7?
No, it is a new design according to Yamaha. I have to disagree; the 61 is quite playable. It lets you play expressively.
Well, I didn't like the keys on the CK61... they're the same exact keys used in their E series arranger keyboards, except that they changed the spring a little bit, AFAICT playing both side by side. When trying to play very softly, I had more difficulty consistently triggering notes on the CK61 than on better keyboards... I actually slightly prefer the older version of these keys on Yamaha's older arrangers. Their new weighting seems to require more force to get the key moving, but then a little less resistance after that... something like that. I've felt better "synth action" keys. I'd agree with "toy" as a description for the keys on the CK61, and they're the reason I didn't walk out with it last weekend.
@@improkeys2636 Yes, horrible keybeds allow players to play "expressively".....forcing them to express their anger over the keybed and wasted money.
@@ChrisP3000x 😂