Matt Farah Bought a Classic Ferrari BUT did he Buy the Wrong Car?
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- Matt Farah from Smoking Tire announced he has bought a Ferrari 328, did he miss a tick by not getting one of the earlier Ferrari 308s which many argue are prettier and truer to the original design?
Thanks to Matt for his awesome videos, do watch the original on why he bought his 328 here: • I've Bought a New (Old... - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Had a glass 308. A good strong engine, but otherwise a bit rough. Had been raced and crashed. Sold it, bought an injected QV GTS. Sold that for a 328 GTS. 20 years later still have it. Mid seventies now. Still love it as much as the day I bought it.
I own both a ‘85/308Qv and a ‘89/328. Ok..so here’s the rub: they are different enough that I love both equally for different reasons. I bought the 328 first, and if you can only have one, the 328 is the superior car. 308 has the Classic raw sexy 70s look & 328 has a more restrained elegant look. 308 is more photogenic so most say it looks better. 328 has to be seen in person to fully see its elegance. 308 looks like a baby 288gto & 328 looks more like a baby BBI Boxer. 308 interior is better until nighttime when the 328 console switches light up like Tron. If you want the closest thing to a 328 but like the looks of 308, get the QV...galvanized body and 32valve. 308 is a timeless classic and will always be more beautiful. The refinement of the 328 were necessary changes and it is a more sophisticated and elegant car. The 308 is Marilyn Monroe and 328 is Audrey Hepburn. You can’t go wrong with either.
Yes galvanised body and low millage was the reason I bought a 328!!!
You are one lucky person . . .
Enjoyed your comparison.
I love them both. My sentiment leads towards the 308 as I grew up with Magnum P.I. But the practical part prefers the 328. But to be fair, in the very beginning of Matt's video, he specifically says he wanted that exact car since he was a little kid. So the answer to that question is yes. He undoubtedly made the right choice regardless of the comparisons and places in history the two cars occupy.
To me the 308 is the 'purer' design. The 328 just looks like a 308 with a body kit.
Great video, Jack! I had many of the same conclusions when I went out shopping for my 3X8. My heart really pulled me towards a late 308 GTS QV, but a lot of the local Ferrari people said that the 328 is basically the 964 of Ferraris - the one that always stands out as “one of the best cars they’ve ever owned.” At the end of the day, I decided to buy the car that made the most sense for me - a local car (no shipping) that I could inspect, and that has been cared for by my mechanic for over twenty years. It’s a 328GTS much like the one you filmed. Have to say, the parts I perhaps didn’t like as much (the front, the switchgear) have grown on me since I’ve owned it. It was the right choice for me, but if it had been a local 308QV, I probably would have been equally as happy!
Keep up the GREAT videos! You helped get me through the pandemic with your content.
The front of the 308 is way prettier and much more like the 288 GTO...
Yeah because that is the car they all REALLY want to have.
Agreed. The front of the 308 is better (especislly the QV). Same with the door handles. Conversely though, the rear of the 328 is much better, specially in how the rear bumper & exhaust look completely integrated rather than afterthoughts that were added in last minute. So it’s kinda of a tie. If the choice were mine, I’d go with the 328. Bigger engine, updated everything, I suppose, and, inevitably, “newer”.
The 328 GTS was my first Ferrari and I will forever feel a deep affection for it. So much so that I would like to find it and buy it back
Look for it!!
@@Number27 😰
I prefer the slender lines of the 308 but if I should buy one I would go for the 328 as I believe it's a bit more user friendly with the larger fuel injected engine.
Agreed, the 308 has purer lines and the more classic feel.
The 328 had larger wheels, lower profile tyres. Your 308's suspension will be tuned for smaller wheels, higher profile tyres. That could be the difference you can feel.
You didn't tell us if the 328 bogs down on righthand turns!
When test driving, it would also be interesting to hear what the owner of the 328 thinks of driving your 308.
... and the different cosmetics also ...
Jack, the 308's the "real" Faz, the 328 has the "artificial" look of cars of it's era, still nice but not quite the goods. All IMHO...
I love my 328. I've had it since 2004. Before that, I had two 308s.
Jack another great feel good vidreo. Great at the end of a long day. Keep up the good work
Splitting hairs here… great to hear your take on the nuances.
The main change to the handling was that the 328 came as standard with 16" wheels. The 308s had 14s with XWXs but many have been updated to 16s, which gives you a better choice of tyres. The teardrop mirrors on the 308 look great but tend to droop, as are yours! It comes down to whether you prefer the overall smoother drive and greater power of the 328 or the sound of the carbs. 308 brakes are a bit rubbish but get very much better with EBC pads, but that's true of the 328 too. I'd just go for what was in the best condition.
That was a great comparison video Glad you made it. have a good day
Thank you for watching!!
Great review Jack! Thank you
Don't forget the bigger wheels and low profile tyres on the 328. That can make a big difference to the feel of the steering.
I said the same.
Just completed my Novice Race Drivers course. Drove my 328 GTS - yes, targa roof off and yes, wearing an Aloha shirt. My nickname from the Chief Instructor is Magnum. Have to say, the car handled superbly. No brake fade and yes, perhaps got a little hot, but on breaks, lifted the engine cover and it cooled down quickly. Will be great fun to take the car vintage racing.
The 328 is the last.of the good looking Ferraris . All later cars seemed to get fatter with more unnecessary love handles
That looks like quite an interesting 328.
As an "F" reg its one of the last non ABS cars which means it might be an "88.5". To accommodate the ABS they had to alter the suspension a bit & the ABS cars have a slightly different (wider) track/geometry set up. The 88.5s had this suspension set up but without the ABS & without the Convex wheels. They seem to be amongst the most sought after 328s. ABS cars although only made in the last 15-18 months of a 5-6 year production run account for nearly half of all 328s in the UK. Some of the ABS 328s have Bilstein shocks under them as well.
Also a lot of extra leather in that car, All the leather round the rear screen & under the dash & on the centre part of the dash round the gauges is non standard. Its usually fabric at the back & black vinyl on the dash.
I thought there were 3 levels of leather
1) seats, door cards & console
2) seats, door cards, console, rear parcel shelf (joke) & roof ( my car, definitely more desirable than (1) due to horrible fabric used in the uk which stains)
3) looks
Why would you not have ABS & anti-dive? just for the looks of the concave wheels?
Jack. Really good review of the cars. Both are cracking cars.
That exhaust sounds great, jack. is your friend running an aftermarket system?
That is one beautiful car. Looks like it is a euro spec which is even more desirable, something you don't get here in Australia. As you also say, each and every car will differ from one to the other to drive and feel. I remember when I worked for Rolls Royce. We had one car out of all the Silver Shadows that we serviced, that stood out from all the rest. Very strange but true. I also think that you can't go past the sound your car makes from the intake, a noise created by eight separate Butterflies and the pulsation of eight piston, something you will not get on a fuel injected car. Thanks for the post, it pulled on my heart strings over the 328GTS I had five years ago, but very happy to watch your post.
Thanks for watching Michael abs enjoy Australia 🇦🇺! Love it over there
@@Number27 Always look forward and enjoy what you post. Would be great to meet up with you some day, out here in Australia or in the U.K would even be better as I have a grandchild in the U.K whom I haven't seen for a long time. You have positive energy and positive outlook on life, which I find refreshing especially after going through a heart breaking divorce. Hence, the loss of my beloved 328 GTS, I miss the car more than her, sad to say. However, hopefully you can take a trip to OZ again in the near future. Cheers.
That’s a lovely looking 328! I definitely prefer the switches in the Influenzo but they are both lovely cars 👍 keep up the good work Jack 😉
I agree about the engine....in fact when I raced a 328 with my 308qv there was hardly a difference. I then realized that all of that power occurs at redline where very little time is actually spent. The steering on the 328 felt a slight bit lighter to me.
I do like both cars and your observations are spot on with the mine.
It does sound nice, that cannot be denied.
It’s so interesting Jack hearing you describe the nuances between these two cars, and I think you articulate it brilliantly. What great content, thoroughly enjoyed this. They are both terrific cars, and I agree: if you are an old school charm kinda person the original 308 has it, if you want a nod to modern aesthetic the 328.
The 328 is the prettier, faster, more reliable, better driving and depending on the year equally as valuable car as any 308.
I'd buy the 328 every time.
The 328 also has a better softer clutch actuation than the heavy 308 clutch. Brake calliper are also better than the 308 ( I believe the brake calliper for the 308 are off an AFLA Sud ) I have a late 1989 328 which have the belstein dampers and different suspension geometry than the earlier 328. I’m with you on this one, the 328 is just way more reliable than the 328. I love mine.
@@marcolucchini8173 I'm a bit confused here. You said, "328 is just way more reliable than the 328. Huh??? LOL
@@marcolucchini8173 That is what a new model is all about. Improvement on the first model they bought out. I wouldn't expect anything else but improvement and the 328 is just that, an improvement on the model before it. A 250 GTO drives like a dog compared to a modern day Ferrari. As any modern car today will drive better than a T model Ford. Thank god they don't make cars how they used to. I suppose it depends on how much you love the smelly bits, the history of your old car and some people do and prefer the smelly bits and admire the old body shapes. I know, you have the best 328 model released. The last year the 328 was produced, a very sort after car and a very beautiful car all round. I had a 1987 328 GTS, not patch on your 1989 328. Love the 89 328. A low mileage 328 here in Australia is worth a bomb these days and hard to come by. All the best take care. From Michael Sydney Australia. Cheers.
@@vice4134 obviously he mean't 308 (a typo)
@@mftwohill51 I have a 1989 328 GTS with 18,500km here in Melbourne. Glad to see a fellow Aussie with a 328. :) :)
As a huge Matt Farah fan myself I appreciate your videos even more than I do his. Thanks for giving us amazing content.
Thanks buddy that’s really great to hear!!
There is nothing else quite like the sound of a classic Ferrari V8.
FWIW I know Donnie Callaway and he's done a phenomenal job of bringing Matt's 328 back to a state of effectiveness and reliability that likely most 328's don't enjoy. A solid mechanic can make that big of a difference. I prefer a more powerful 308 QV car - such as the restomods sporting uprated 3.9 liter engines, brake upgrades, etc - over a 328 body configuration.
They are both great cars 🚗👍👍.nice little video Jack.
The headrests at shoulder height are hilarious 😂 👍
I'm 57 and clearly remember the launch of the 328. I still desire one far more than a 308.
The autos are so nice to look at!! Cool vid!!
Thank you for watching!!
I prefer the 308. Pure looks. More classic vibe as you said.
Long & winding road... Okay, I'm back. Love this episode! Brilliant!
Personally, I'd go with 308 b/c of its classic look. However, Jack Number 27, I believe once you update your suspension with those old bushings, it will handle & ride much better.
Did you get a chance to test & see if the 328 bogs down on right hand turns!
No it doesn’t! But then neither does my 308 now i resolved it! There’s a video of you missed it
There's a good chance that the difference you feel in the steering, is down to tyres. Make and model can make a huge difference. What bushes is in both the steering rack and the suspension, also makes a difference.
As for the "sharper off centre" is more than likely down to small differences in the alignment between that 328 and your car.
Breaks again depends on pad choice etc. Fluids and so on also matters.
Another brilliant production Jack and fascinating comparison. And so pertinent to me as I am about to have a 328 GTB delivered imminently. I considered a 308, 328 and 348. I decided on the 328 for a number of reasons, based around various owners' ownership experiences and Ferrari specialists who maintain the cars that I received, covering maintenance and upkeep, and driver experience. The 328 being the last 3*8 model off the line is ultimately the better and most sorted car overall with a more powerful engine to boot. However in terms of looks, the 308 is the purer and has the classic 70s looks. So for me at least, the decision boils down to 1) best driving experience and relatively easy maintenance vs. 2) purer 70s looks. I decided I want the best driving experience from the more sorted car so have gone for the 328. The 328 is also highly proven as many are raced in the Pirelli Ferrari Formula Classic series, they are really pretty bullet proof little cars. Just to add that the 348 is another step up again (and I do like them very much), but I just couldn't find a decent RHD car for sale as many have neglected history and/or condition, plus they are 355 money to maintain and can cost an arm and leg if they go wrong - so here the 328 wins again for me. What exhaust has your pal Steve got on this 328? It sounds glorious! Brilliant job again Jack - keep up your great work!
Thanks buddy and great to hear you’ve bought a 328!! Hope you enjoy it!!
Good Show ! and all the stuff I didn’t know! Cheers (I’m old ‘old’ school)
I agree that the 328 is a nice evolution of the 308 in terms of both styling and engineering, much in same way as the 348 and 355.
I also like how the 308 and 328 had hints of the 288 GTO and 512BB styling and then Ferrari took hints of 512TR in the 348.
They somehow made each new model individual, interesting and exciting yet retained that family look so you new that each new model was undeniably a Ferrari.
The last three decades of the 20th century really was a golden age for mid engined Ferrari's.
Great comparison and valuable information about 🚗
Thank you, glad your enjoyed it Kiri!
I bought the 328 this year from 85, so no ABS with the beautiful rims. If I could choose, I would like the interior of the 308, since it has this more classic look. But if we remind ourselves of the 80s, especially TV, synthwave, Knight Rider, Miami Vice, the plastic interior with the little lights for the heating really screams 80s.
To the comment about the steering spacer, I bought one, but don't need it. I'm 1,74cm +- and really was surprised about how far to the front I had to adjust the seat to push the clutch to the bottom. The leg is stretched to 100% while pressing it. I know I'm not tall, but what are smaller people doing? I can imagine that taller people profit of the spacer, had two friends test it, who are around 1.85m. They still drove it comfortably. So results may vary I guess.
Cheers for the videos, I absolutely love them and I'm hoping that I won't have nearly half of the troubles you have, since I'm not versed in mechanics.
Thanks for the nice comments on the videos!! Also wish you luck with your Ferrari.. it will be less trouble than mine for sure!
@@Number27 Fingers crossed
I'm shorter and struggle with the length of throw of the clutch.I made a spacer to move the seat forward, but now the side mirrors aren't that good at seeing out.
@@glenmynard3926 Yeah , the side mirrors are also in a suboptimal position for myself. Mine tend to shake a bit too, making it even harder to look behind you. And don't let me start on the reflections above the speedometer.i think the inclination of the front window coupled with the leather on top of the speedometer housing (sorry if that isn't the right word) sometimes makes it very hard on a sunny day, depending on the position (height) and direction of the sun
I think the 308 is pretty and less heavy looking around the front and rear ends, i tend to go for earlier purer examples of cars. The 80's did throw up some design horrors but the 328 isn't so bad. The interior looks far better put together but we all make our choices be it about looks or money. Nice video Jack.
I think the 328 looks and acts like a more refined 308, which was the goal, so that would be my preference. I have the same motor in my 3.2 Mondial, and it is as reliable as an anvil and user friendly to work on. By the way, if you want to drive the best handling model of this vintage, try a Mondi. That slightly longer wheelbase makes a big difference when cutting the corners.
Loved my Mondi t for the extra stability on track: th-cam.com/video/2u0kcYysp1k/w-d-xo.html
If I would use the car in a warmer climate (mallorca) then a 328 with fuleinjection. Much more reliable especially when it comes to difference in warm/ humid days.
Love the bright interior as well.
And an upgrade in braided hoses for the brakes and pads from Ferodo will do a lot. I guess the car would look great with Toyo r888...
Keep up the amazing content Jack...
Hard to choose and I wouldn't say "no" to either of these.....
Except for one small detail - the Bank balance won't allow it lol.
Great content Jack 👍
Thank you Graham!!
Something just isn't right about the 328. I love the 308.
Agh! As you say, subjective opinion is subjective, and the difference is marginal! If someone were to gift me a 308 or 328 I'd be ecstatic with either but..... honestly the 328 looks prettier to me - it just looks sooo right!
there are 3 versions of the 328.
1) convex wheels
2) concave wheels with the anti dive suspension
3) concave wheels with the anti dive suspension and abs
to work out whether you have 2) or 3) you need to look at the shape of the brake fluid container. or just remove the fibre glass wheel well floor and look at the abs computer :)
Having said that what size of steering wheel spacer should I get????
also make a video about how you fit in the car with the roof on!!! lolz
As a kid and into my 20s in the 90s the 308 & 328 were my favourite Ferrari, still are in some respects.
I could never decide then which I liked more. Now you pose the question again I still can’t decide.
There is a little anti dive dialed into the front suspension on the 328. I believe the displacement is all in the stroke / crank
I went with 308, as you said, much more classic feel, which is what I was looking for.
If I'd wanted a "modern" Ferrari, I'd have gone 348 or 355.
Cosmetically, I can't help but notice the addition of the overhead spoiler and the slight ducktail, which both spoil the clean lines for me. However, the impression is that the 328 is a much more refined car, as you would expect ...
The overhead spoiler seems pointless to me. Mines red as is my 328. Maybe better than black. I would remove it if it didn't leave holes. Just an afterthought by the looks.
328 is much prettier in my opinion. But for me. It only really shines with the convex ABS wheels and a black roof aerofoil.
On first glance, I’d have to say I still like the exterior of the 308, but with the updated interior of the 328.
The slight differences between the steering etc may be due to different tyres?
Magnum Pi and Christy Brinkly approved. Both are nice cars, Your 308 sounds crisp. Nice stuff..
Good on you people should buy whatever car they like or dreamed of having when they were younger and if you enjoy spending your money on older cars and slowly sorting the issues found so what it is about the journey and bringing a classic car back to it's former glory and the immense pleasure you get from it
In most cases no matter what car we are talking about the first generations are the best looking while the later one’s styling gets compromised but they tend to be better sorted. In short, a car’s styling evolution is typically inversely proportional to it’s engineering improvements.
I'd like to see how is your 308 doing after valve trunk seals exchange.
Is it finally repaired?
2:00 it looks so tiny with you stood there Jack.
Your 100% correct the slight differences make the difference and they are hard to drive as in comfort compared to a 355 which I struggle getting in and out of or a 360 which is wider and harder to park, but I still prefer driving the 328 and it's my favorite Ferrari for the money
But the Best difference Jack? you hold the steering with the Most able hand n the gear level with the Least able hand, how it should a been all over the world n a huge argument I had with a German in a motorway cafe in Germany in 1972 when he said to me we do everything wrong in England till he picked a pen to write something with his Right hand Not the left then I said do you pick up a hammer with the left hand too as You hold the nail with the right hand to hammer it down? so who is right mate us or you? lol after that we left in a bit of a hurry I really hate LHD cars, its Not natural for most people as they are right handers cheers another great video mate
308 is a prettier car, but I'm guessing the 328 is better mechanically.
I'd take either tbh, both gorgeous shapes
I own a 328 GTS from 1987 and recently took it for a 3-day road trip again. Lovely car to drive! But beware of wet roads! Because the nose of the car is so light, these things tend to understeer a lot in the wet. The same is true for 308s, by the way. I like the exterior of the 328 better, as it looks more complete and elegant to my eyes. But the interior of the 308 definitely has more charm. However, I am 6"3 and barely fit my 328 with the roof on. I have recently tried the same thing in a 308 of a friend of mine and it was impossible to for me to fit properly behind the wheel in that car. So the ergonomics in the 328 seem to be a bit better for tall drivers. I love the pure and unfiltered driving experience these cars provide.
Hard choice, both beautiful tbh, sounds superb!
The 328 looks nicely beefed up, like a 308 that went to the gym for muscle. The 308 looks more pure to me, especialy the shark type nose😊
I prefer the Influenzo look. Thanks for sharing.
What rim size, tire size, tire brand and model are on the 328? What is on your 308? Would be interesting to see specs of both cars from an alignment rack printout.
Pretty sure wheel and tyre sizes are the same.. however I bet the 328 had better tires. Didn’t check on the day!!
308 GSTQV looks prettier than the 328 IMO, 308 has the benefit of a nicer looking interior with the 70’s console switches and front and rear ends have a more classic shape/styling. However if you have the chance to buy one either looks better than almost every car on the road.
I think what you are feeling in the steering and cornering differences come from the change in 328 wheel and tire size. I think the 308 looks trimmer and more compact...the 328 looks heavier and ponderous in comparison. I would also guess that Ferrari tweaked the suspension settings and upgraded many other aspects of engineering.
Just revisited this video... I think the amount of work Matt has needed to do on his car may hold an answer. Not that the model was the wrong choice but perhaps the particular car. Here in North America, the 308 were always compromised by the emissions equipment of the day. So the 328 with updated catalysts and engine management bridged the gap between what your models and ours.
If I recall correctly, a 328 made some unplanned appearances on Magnum PI. Perhaps the producers thought no one would notice. Also, they confused the Audi that Higgins drove. But the differences were more obvious there.
Lovely looking car as well! Think I prefer the 308 though.
I'm a home mechanic, so I should take a 308... definitely do not like the wheels on ABS 328s... however they are probably much too refined for me.
I prefer a Fiat X1/9 with a souped-up engine. Now, if they'd only not rust that badly... would save me lots of work, beside the money, too.
But Jack I'm a bit jealous, you got to drive them both. I only got to drive a 308 once, and that was years ago.
I've not driven both of them, but I drove the 308 round a racetrack over 30 years ago and the memory is still fresh; I'd have one in a heartbeat..
Still one of the prettiest Ferraris ever built...
People who service Ferraris tell me the 328 drivetrain is more-bulletproof than that of the 308 - engine-temperature management is better, the radiator/fan combo is better at keeping the mid-engine cooler, the power delivery is better, and the car has more HP/Torque than the 308 engine. Everything is more-refined.
Whenever they update a legendary car, they eventually spoil the original design by adding too much plastic bits on the outside, which spoil the overall look of the original clean design.
most beautiful car of my childhood days, darn its still beautiful today 😍
They are really pretty.. thanks for watching!
Was that you in the Influenzo fanging on the B-road in the opening minutes..? Oh, sadly not, but still - NEVER SELL IT!
That steering feel difference could be result of different wheel/tire sizes perhaps?
I'm curious if you noticed a difference in the feel of the clutch pedal. I have a Mondial 3.2 (basically the 328 drivetrain) and I was surprised how light and easy to use the clutch was after hearing about how driving Ferrari's of this period was like using exercise equipment. Mine also has fabulous brakes, which doesn't really match what your experience of the 328.
Interesting you didn't notice a real difference in terms of power. Maybe the 328 has more weight?
The 328 is lighter and significantly faster
Pretty sure the Mondial QV has a clutch slave cylinder which assists the clutch pressure immensely..
What exhaust system does the 328 have on it?
You look great in both!
Both are great , I’d personally go with the 328 for the injection in an ideal world , but it wouldn’t be a deal breaker either way , whichever of the two I tried that felt right on the day .....win win !!
Ur making me fall in love with this car 😅
I have question from little bit other ball park. Have you driven 944 S2 and the Turbo. Which one do you prefer?
Hey Robert, I've not driven either for a while but on a 944 i think i'd definitely prefer the turbo.. not a great fan of those engines in terms of how they sound or feel so unusually adding a turbo does not have many disadvantages.. for me at least.
@@Number27 Thank you for your opinion :).
, @@8359s, I had a 1990 944 turbo more than 20 years ago and was a fantastic car. Had the M030 suspension option and had been mildly modded so producing close to 300bhp rather than 250. Very quick when on boost though lots of turbo lag which was quite fun in a way. Great chasis and brakes too. All it lacks as No 27 says is a decent engine note.
Love those trousers :)
Both cars look great. But I'd go for one like your carb euro 308.
Still 2 of the best looking cars ever
My only experience with the 328 came in the spring of 1987 when I stopped the 328 assembly line at Maranello . . .
Do tell!! 😄😄
@@Number27, check your Instagram.
Jack the 308QV's were the first with their own oil pump for the gearbox, NOT the 328's! And 308's are better looking (especially the QV's !) but heck I'm biased lol!
You forgot one key comparison point: Does the parking brake work?
Pleased you eased up at that cross-roads incase Harry was coming across. You missed his tractor too IAM standard 👌
I felt sure that was Harry in the tractor too David.
Thought the roads looked familiar.
The thing is, YOU bought the wrong Ferrari - you should have bought a gt4!
the 308 is certainly the pure Fioravanti original & even as i did back in the 80s i even prefer the 70s interior to the 80s version & believe it or not i can still picture the 328 on the cover of Autocar magazine all those years ago , must also add magnum connection to 308 still does my box in , have fonder memories of a magazine ad for tyres i think featuring a shaven headed guy in a 308 gts
I may be wrong but were US spec 308s a lot more affected by the emissions control equipment than the 328 was? Maybe the QV wasn't too much but the carb cars and the GTBi/GTSi models were way down.
Yes that’s correct Paul…
@@Number27 maybe thats why Matt opted for the 328