Ferrari 308 IMPOSSIBLE Problem SOLVED - You Won't Believe What It Was!!
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- The Influenzo, my Ferrari 308 has had lots of issues but not being able to turn right without bogging down was one of the most elusive and apparently something all Ferrari 308's with carbs do.. not anymore!!
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I don't quite know why someone else fixing their Ferrari should lift my whole day but it has! Well done.
For those that have never had this feeling…this is exactly what it’s like. So so happy for you
Oh yes, been there. On my dearest, restored Datsun 510. Simply madening. Electricals have always been a nightmare.
I get that felling every time I manage to get out of bed and make it to the loo, it's the little things in life.
was thinking he same thing.... its a hell of a high!
@@malfunction8165 The loo !
Off to the loo with you 😂
Congratulations on finding the problem and compliments on the clever method you employed to do it. Too many mechanics these days are nothing more than parts changers and your methodical diagnostic approach should be commended. Well done.
Here here Sir, agreed
Thanks buddy, much appreciated!!
Did you notify Tyrell of your coil discovery ?
What is flawed in modern coils, to not work properly with old Italian engine designs, when changing direction, in your case, turning right ?
There must be happening something like a disconnect somehow due to a pulling or pushing, which seems odd, unless there is rather a ECU print plate issue, whenever modern coils are being used.
I saw something similar with another type Ferarri. That was a guy who bought cheap supercars with money provided by his step mom.
m.th-cam.com/video/tEBe6QWTk9U/w-d-xo.html
samrac - similar Ferarri, know for ECU issues, that may thus be caused when hooking up new electric engine components
The most serious username 😃!
There’s nothing like the feeling of utter relief when you track down a fault after a LONG period of diagnosis!! Great result! 👍
I've never clicked so fast.
Same here. I always feel happy when I see an upload from Jack.
I called coils on the last video, I’m now doing my Clarkson esque smug face 😏
Well done Jack 👍🏻 the smile on your face says it all 😁
Same here i sent him a message on Instagram saying i had the same issue with an old mini with horizontally mounted cool cutting out on cornering tot one side...
Cool is coil of couse
@@pietderoos5875 couse is course of coil
That is fantastic mate. Seeing the bank cut out must have been such a relief to actually know where to find the problem. Love the perseverance and glad it paid off.
Mate, you have no idea how happy I was when I saw that bank cut out. I was absolutely dreading having to take the carbs apart again.. with no idea of hear might be wrong!!
The Tension is killing me… surely you mean the High Tension…😂😂😂😂
I’m here all week folks!!
Well done Jack!
Get your coat lol 🤣
So it wasn’t the ‘kin lead then 🤣😂🤣😂
You Sir are a legend. Your perseverance is an inspiration to all that believe in the ‘process of elimination’.
This was happening to me on my Alfa. I had replaced the coil a few years ago for a hot start issue, solved that, then had this annoying issue where the car would cut out going around corners. It ended up getting worse, and engine heat made it worse. I watched a 'Heidi and Franny' episode where they measured the leads on their Porsche's coil, and did that to mine. It was way out of tolerance on the primary leads. Then I discovered that THE AUTOPARTS STORE GAVE ME A NON ELECTRONIC IGNITION COIL. I looked up the tolerances of the original coil, and bought an MSD high output coil. Problem solved. The original coil was Bosch and NLA, and the 'next best thing' Bosch had was out of stock in all of the Alfa parts houses.
I love Heidi and Franny's videos. Ironically I discovered them when I watched a video about a classic model plane that Franny built!
The folks that thumbed this video down have never owned a "vintage" car. The joy of persisting with a series of diagnoses to get to the core of issues impacting the performance of your car is hard to describe. Great to see you smiling pal! Car is looking, sounding and driving fantastic.
Now thats some amazing preliminary diagnosis,great job
That's a real eureka moment. SO so happy for you Jack :)
Never would've thought it'd be the coil especially since they were new & Bosch.
"They don't make them like they used to" Never been more true. Congrats 👍
I remember changing points on my '50 Chevy and it wouldn't start. Bad condenser. Yeah, they do make them like they used to , only more frequently now.
A lot of Bosch stuff has gone down the toilet. Always had as much Bosch as possible in the past. Washer & dryer lasted 25yrs plus. Then, 2 Bosch leccy hedge trimmers, 2 yrs in & the eccentric mechanism in both that gives the blades their reciprocating action died. Bosch lawnmower cuts great, but the height adjuster is truly a POS after only 2 yrs. Jammed & the plastic handle broke.
New Bosch washing machine is as good as the old one (both need a few extra kettles of water due to this water saving rubbish all manufacturers are obsessed with - just stop Nestlé hogging it all), but the Condenser Tumble dryer is a POS.
The plastic door handle snapped & forums prove it's a common issue. The fluff filter doesn't work at all.
The condenser needs regular cleaning.
There's a hidden flap where access to a float sensor gets blocked too. No info in manuals, Bosch website etc. Frustrated TH-camr highlighted it. Was on the verge of binning the dryer after 3 years till TH-camr solved the problem, but it regularly needs an arm up the outlet & the condenser cleaning out. Bosch's solution on later models? A gasket round the filter? A friend's Hotpoint NEVER needs clearing (4 adults in rented house. Lots of use.
No. A 2nd filter AROUND the 1st filter
With a F##koff great big plastic moulding. Not a simple rectangular seal? 😅😂🤣 German engineering?
German planned obsolescence & German parts sales more like. The dual filter is their way of ensuring they don't get a class action law suit for "not fit for purpose", maybe? I avoid Bosch these days...
Been watching you for months. Don’t know why I hadn’t subscribed. Just have. Congrats on finding the problem and please keep your videos coming. I’ve practically given up on watching telly. Your videos are both entertaining and very well edited.
Logic: old coil,no bogging:new coil, bogging. You gave yourself a lot of hard times and worry by straying from the obvious but I am delighted for you all the same. Cheers
Congratulations on your brilliant diagnosis. so glad you sorted out the problem.
Well done mate, you stuck at it ,I feel relieved for you !!!👏👏👏👏
You should do the "happy happy joy joy" song now. It's great when you finally found something that was causing a problem!
You're a genius Jack. How in the world a right-hand turn would affect an ignition coil is beyond me. Can't wait to hear an explanation for that.
In theory, if you install the Bosch coil rotated by 180 degrees, you should be able to get it fail on left hand corners... might be a fun experiment!
Is it not easier to swap the leads to the coils, and see if other bank goes down when going right? Or does it not work like that ;)
@@richardwarren9112 yeah, that would kinda be a half proof of the problem, but getting it to fail on left hand bends would be a deeper proof...
or not a give a crap, and enjoy the car :)
Nice one Jack.
Bosch ain't what they used to be. I did suspect that the coil might be faulty.
Great at last, you deserve a gold medal for your persistence and determination in fixing the problem
Brilliant Jack!! I can feel the relief as well...absolutely brilliant. I wish I had a drop of your patience and perseverance!
Fantastic!!!!
That was really satisfying to see! Well done!! :)
Well done Jack, well worth stopping work for!
Well done ! Sorting out the problem,quite ingenious...honesty,analytical skills,hardwork, and not giving up pays off...
Well done Jack. Your enthusiasm is amazing. Jack, last seen driving in clockwise circles!
I've been watching for a while and I know you've been struggling with this issue. Congratulations! So happy for you.
If it was me, I'd put the 'iffy' Bosch coil back on and see if the issue returns. If it does return there is no question that it's the coil at fault rather than an iffy connection to/from the coil that got fixed when swapping coils...
Maybe Chinese made coil ??
@@kris8742 China has put a lander on Mars. It's not geography of origin that is the problem, it's cheap and shitty outsourcing for maximum profit.
@@MrShadownoise See Draper tools for confirmation of your assertion.
Calm (well reasonably) and systematic elimination of possible fault sources leads to success. Well done !
Love the determination and meticulous and inventive ways you've gone about diagnosing this fault. Who would have thought. Hope you get something back from Heir Bosche 🙂
I bought a set of eight of those plug testers a few years ago from Halford's and still remain in their blister packs. I would never have considered a new coil to be at fault particularly of German manufacture. Obviously the makers have an issue with quality control. Glad to see you have finally solved the most irritating of problems.
Well the coil was working in straight line, so they've could have test it and turn out good, the heck knows why it malfunctioned to G forces 😄.
Perseverance pays off! Liked this within 30 seconds of starting the vid, now seeing what the issue was.
Nice one Jack! Althought I still don't understand WHY corners affected the coil; loose component inside?? It defies logic. Anyway, so glad you finally fixed 'right corners' with an original part and loved your reactions to the footage on first viewing.
probably incorrect insulating oil level inside,being allowed to flow inside causing temporary short.
@@grrfy same here.
The oil sloshing to the back of the coils causing a short or overheating?
On an Italian car I would always start with the electrical system. Nice idea how you sorted this out
Bravo! I’m surprised you didn’t end the video by doing a series of right hand donuts while laughing maniacally!!
Lol
Always a good feeling when you figure out a pesky problem like this one. Impressive diagnostic skills and perseverance!
I bought a 500 dollar mercedes 300se. it had a straight six that wouldnt run right untill higher rpms.... the k-jetronic injection system can be a problem to adjust without the proper tools. it ran great after it was adjusted properly. if not for all of the hassels I had gone through with a 77' 924 back in the day I would have walked away from an opportunity to actually profit on a car.... should have kept it. that was a nice car.
Soooo pleased you've found the problem, great channel - I've learned so much over the last couple of years, Thanks Jack.
Awesome. Been watching since you bought this in your pajamas all those lockdowns ago, well done mate. Love the ingenuity and dogged persistence that’s got your little Italian sport car back to rude health. I can’t believe how happy this has made us all . Best wishes from Spain
YEEEEYYYY, i dont think i have ever been so happy to see a "fix" on youtube before :) so so pleased you have fixed that issue, onwards and upwards...fantastic, brilliant, amazing. :)
Shout out to all the people, me included, who said it was an electrical issue, not carb! 😂
Finding this kind of issues is so satisfying, my e46 was dying randomly while driving, it drove me crazy, until I've found that the engine plastic cover was rubbing on the fuel pressure sensor wires and they were shorting
I feel like we all felt the excitement with you and the pain in the past. I’m sure we can all relate to situations like this and it’s such a joy to solve. If I were you I would have stayed up all night driving doing right hand turns. Lol. Great work and thanks for never giving up and documenting it for us.
With foot down hard!!... 😁
Well done Jack , i am running a carbed 208 GT4 .It’s nice to learn from others .So far so good !
Cool little car
Great job, mechanics always suspect new parts .
You are definitely the man with the most patience!
So happy for you. I've had a great day today too and seeing this issue getting fixed was the cherry on the top.
Are you going to dissect the faulty coil or get it looked at so we can see what the actual problem was??? Please say yes!!
Congrats, I admire your persistance !!!
Great news Jack, glad all your hard work paid off! Hopefully you'll be able to enjoy it for the rest of Summer?
Your smile said it all! Well done!
That’s brilliant 👍 . The joy on your face when you watched back the video was priceless . Really happy that you finally resolved this . You have the patience of a saint . Well done Jack
Brilliant! I never manage to solve anything like this, rain leaks being the bane of my classic car existence.
That’s what garages are for
It's because you dropped ( metaphorically speaking ) those 'lucky' pyjamas 😀 Well done Jack 👍
Fantastic, you’ve cracked it! 😀 So pleased for you I’m grinning from ear to ear too Jack. Watched the whole series of these and so glad you’ve managed to find a fix. You deserve a beer now.
Thank you Dale, this really is one of those high moments!!!
Congratulations on fixing it ahhhh.
I would be tempted to fit the coil to the other bank to see if the fault goes to left turns.
Awesome, great job. Regular coils are usually isolated by a coating of plastic and sometimes it can ground out, but it is strange that it only occurred on right turns. They make higher performance coils that are oil isolated, maybe something to consider in the future. Coils are usually just rated by size and resistance, so you can use many different kinds and experiment. I went away from Bosch blue's and use oil filled coils now, but I do sometimes use Lucas coils. It all comes from China mostly.
Sending a massive American high five. Ow your face when you realised, like a kid getting the present he’s been wanting all year at Christmas.
Ow hell yeah keep going things come in 3s
The amount of energy you had at the start of the video shows how much of a relief solving a problem like this provides. You must be delighted!
Fantastic!!!! Followed this for a while and it’s great to see the problem diagnosed - congrats
Woohooo!! Way to go Jack!! Nice job. Glad you saved the originals. Hopefully this is a new trend and you may have to rename the car if all goes well!!
Really chuffed for you. I've gotten rid of vehicles in the past due to issues like this. I admire your perseverance
Really appreciate how determined this guy has been and how his patience has paid off.
Excellent work
Absolutely fantastic to see this solved Jack, very happy for you. Those spark plug indicators are fantastic!
Fantastic! Great job figuring it out. It is so good when you can figure out and fix something. It makes you more positive when tackling the rest of the issues. But with this Italian mule I am sure the highs and lows will continue! 8^)
Well done Jack. The question now needs to be asked ... why was the coil failing on lateral G's in one direction only?
I was thinking the same thing. Solving the fault is one thing, but I would want to know why it was happening in the first place.
Need to complete the ABA test ie the Bosch coil is A and the Marelli coil is B. Just be sure that is the coil and not the disturbance to the wires caused by changing the coil, that fixed the issue. Else there is a risk of the fault returning, when the wires settle back to their old positions.
Inside the coil is windings and at the factory when a spool of wire has ended a new spool is used and the wires are connected by way of a knot and if this comes undone then this fault will appear!
@@giuseppegiacomoni7058 Good info. I take it where the knot is made the insulation is removed? They do the same when making co-axial cable, the machine operators are constantly knotting wires together.
Are these kind of coils oil filled for insulation and cooling? I seem to recall someone saying years ago (unless i'm thinking of something else). If this is the case and the oil level was low, if when the oil moved to one side and leaves air i.e less insulation it could break down / track /arch. Just a thought. I could be totally wrong....
Delighted for you, well done and thanks for sharing the journey. I had an Uncle who could only turn left when out in his car, he would have loved the old Influenzo
Brilliant logical diagnosis, 10/10 for persevering and your happy smile when it ran properly made me smile!.
Really pleased you sorted that (and feeling a little smug as one of the guys saying it sounded electrical from the off 😇) . Brilliantly imaginative setup with the spark indicators and cameras - never would have thought of doing that and it was so clear 👍 The influenzo is getting better and better in your care 😊
Brilliant! I’m so happy for you! I don’t think there would have been a better reason for it not working than a brand new German part being to blame and an old original Italian part being the fix. Hilarious.
I have found Japanese parts better quality these days.
your spirit realy makes my day, when i am down or angry i go to your channel, it allways makes me smile again. Thanks
Brilliant diagnosis. Worked it through step by step, eliminating causes. Well done!! 👍👍
The oil useage might be caused by unburnt fuel washing down the bores when the coil wasn't firing.
This could cause dilution/thinning out the oil which in turn could cause higher oil consumption.
As for Bosch coils, they were OEM fitment on older bmw's and older Volvo's of which i still own 1.
I have never ever had problems with a Bosch coil. So it must have been a freak part. BTW you can actually MEASURE if a coil is good or bad by measuring the resistance (Ohm's) on the primary and secondary windings. I bet that Bosch coil is actually OK but there might have been an issue with the 12V/ground connections to the coil.
Then explain the old Marelli coil working fine Fairly confident he swapped back & forth just to check it was the Bosch, in case it was a loose connection. Doubt he's too dim to not have checked.... 🤦
Well done, brilliant fault finding, now enjoy the car.
One of those marvellous DEEP JOY moments which makes working on an old car with problems so very rewarding when you suss out something by yourself. Been there, done that more than a few times and will never tire of that experience.
Fantastic news Jack. Well done. I was so badly willing the coil to fix your right turn misfire issue, and I was with the previous attempted fixes too.
What a triumph, and like you said, not what you would have imagined to be the issue when turning right at all.
The Influenzo sounds awesome.
Hope you can get some serious enjoyment from it now. By god do you deserve it 👌
Keep the great and interesting videos coming. They’re really enjoyable, and sometimes frustrating (but in a good way) 👍
Well done! That would've ben the last thing that I suspected. A coil is just two windings with a core and an oil bath for heat transfer. It's really rare to have an internal loose connection.
I'd wondered about some sort of loose component in the coil. Got to be the strangest fault I've ever come across. Could it be the movement of the oil somehow affecting the voltage generation. 🤷♂️
or low oil level causing a flash-over internally when the oil sloshes on a corner, - thats what was happening to mine.
See I'm thinking the oil sloshing around may be the cause.
Maybe a bit of swarf in the oil moves to the back of the coil on RH turns shorts out something?
Defo weird
If the coil is defective and affected by the RH turn, I should think the whole bank it powers would be affected, not just one or two cylinders.
@@wernerdanler2742 not all cylinders affected as this car uses a split ign. twin coil system
What a journey. Congrats on the resolution.
Congatulations to you! I'm impressed with you never giving up on trouble. You're a real road-model for persistance👍
Great video, I work in diagnostics (not cars) and the feeling you get when you solve a tricky problem and find the little bugger that's the culprit is ace.
I'm still somewhat skeptical that it was the coil, more likely a wiring connection issue in my opinion. Perhaps you could put it back in again and retest just to verify?
I'm thinking the oil inside sloshing around maybe causing the primary/secondry windings to overheat perhaps? Insufficient oil.
I'm sure the coil amplifier and coil would be a matched pair.
So fitting a replacement might not give the coil enough power for a full spark.
(Like 85% spark instead of 100%)
Strange how it wouldn't work on RH corners?
Do a tear down of the coil and find out what was wrong.
I still say just reinstall it and verify the results. If you tear it apart and don't find anything you'll never know.
I say touch nothing.. It works.. Drive and enjoy!!!
And if it is the coil, and some kind of sloshing problem, then it should be possible to reinstall, get it to fail on right turns as before, then rotate the coil 180 degrees and get it to fail on left turns. (assuming mounted vertically.)
Bravo Jack!
Your excitement on finding the issue is pure delight, well done
I want to see the video where you cut the coil open and really find the design flaw. It is great that you found the issue.
Come on Jack - I mean, this is hardly surprising is it? Everyone knows that German car parts are trash and old Italian stuff is really reliable. No... hang on... wait...
(I'd love to know exactly what is wrong with that new coil though, and huge congrats for fixing the issue)
Brilliant video Jack. So good to see you happy. Editing and production so good now as well.
Genuinely great to see you buzzing with the car running s much better. I did comment on the previous video that I doubted it was fuel related but was good to see a logical diagnosis. It would be interesting to refit the Bosch coil, that may point to whether it is low tension wiring that has been disturbed. You have amazing patience with this damn car, well done.
So pleased for you, as a serious petrolhead myself there is nothing better than hunting for problems, researching and actually in the end sorting them….. it really does take you on some highs and lows along the way! Lol….. keep the vids coming, really enjoy your content, a very natural presenter….. been watching from the early days 👍👍👍👍👍
Im so pleased for you followed from your first influenzo video...your reaction made me smile well done 👍
Congratulations Jack! Pure joy!
Bloody Well Done Jack!!! Never in a Million Years would I think that this ongoing issue was due to The New Bosch Coil... I'm seriously over the Moon with this news and BTW... I absolutely Love the Christmas Lights that go above the Spark Plugs. Awesome work, Brilliant deduction! The World is Yours my friend and Congratulations Jack!
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Of course we’re supporting you ! What an amazing video and piece of diagnosis. Well done 👍 ps you couldn’t hide your exuberance from the very second the video started!
Well done Jack. I am so impressed with your persistence and determination. Enjoy what is left of the summer in the 308.
So happy for you man !!!
I've had similar experiences over the years keeping my old XKEs working. Most recent success was saving the headlight on my Lotus last week. A previous owner had overtightened the retaining allen screws and broken the brackets so they wouldn't hold on the headlight cover. Replacement cover was about $1000 USD.
I pulled the cover and the broken plastic pieces and used the super glue and baking soda trick. I glued the cracked pieces together, then put a bead of super glue over the crack and sprinkled baking soda on it. That forms an instant solid which is very hard. Added some wire mesh screen for strength over the cracked area and likewise covered it with layers of super glue and baking soda. It ended up stronger than the surrounding original plastic.
A friend repaired a small leak on an air compressor several years ago with this method and it is still holding so it works on metal as well. A very useful, fast repair method to add into my old car repair tricks. If you haven't used it, try it out sometime when all is lost on an old/hard to find part.
Yeeeeessssssss! So happy 4 U Jack. I literally gasped when I saw the rear bank go dead! Just reward 4 Ur perseverance. Well done m8.
Just seen this as I've been on holiday. Fantastic stuff. The look on your face was absolutely brilliant.
Congratulations!
Perseverance pays off.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Once you sort out the other bits, do not sell it!!
It would be impossible for anyone else to appreciate it as much as you.
Never thought this day would come! So happy for you. Your skills of problem solving have been ingenious. A little bit of atf fluid in your motor oil can clean up those rings.
So happy for you Jack, I totally understand the joy and relief!
Amazing job, Jack. It always lifts my spirits when I see your smile and your joy after sorting out a problem by yourself. What an inspiration. I am just wondering why all the experts you'd contacted did not come up with that diagnostic solution. It certainly must make you proud to excel them. Congrats and with admiration.