as a wired viper mini user , I would LOVE a normal viper mini wireless without a ridiculous price. it would be one the best wireless mice in the market
Razer states up to 60 hours of battery life on their official spec page. While it isn't indicated, it should be based on 1K Hz polling rate and not 4K Hz. I've tried the Basilisk V3 Pro myself and I have the 4K Hz dongle. Battery life is abysmal on 4K Hz no matter what. On the Basilisk V3 Pro, it has a 90 hours battery life on 1K Hz and just about 24 hours on 4K Hz. Extrapolate that information and the Viper Mini Signature Edition will only run roughly 16 hours on 4K Hz. Add on the fact that 4K Hz is still not supported by quite a number of popular titles, it would be a meaningless feature to me should I own this mouse. Oh and should the situation on the Viper Mini Signature Edition be the same as the Basilisk V3 Pro, you wouldn't be able to use 4K Hz on wired while it's charging. All in all, would just stick to 1K Hz.
4k Hz is definitely a pure luxury feature unless you're playing an eSports game and are playing at a very high rank (essentially max rank games + faceit)
You need to go outside more if you need more than 24 hours of battery life on a mouse. Also, it takes like 15 minutes to charge to 50%, 30 to get to 70%, and like 47 ish minutes to full from drained. Thats more than fine in my book.
The is the same area as custom keyboards. You can get same thing for a lot cheaper and does the same job. Diminish value return greatly increases as you go up in price.
@@Ziakel this. keyboard enthusiasts need to get their head out of their asses. people who love mice and are enthusiasts will definitely get this like they did the starlight which has way worse qc compared to this one.
@@doge8153 if I'm spending more than $200 on a keyboard I would not even touch a razer with a 10 foot pole. I'll never spend another cent on a plastic pile shit keyboard no matter how marginally good it is
Its a marketing experiement. You could argue razer have been doing it for a while, but i just hope we don't lose the amazing products razer actually produce once they get as far appling themselves as they can. Happened with apple.
Yeah, they like to throw whatever ideas they have, and then see what stick. I fell for their silicone mousepad, that came in a fancy case - this was ~10ago. It deteriorate to being unusable in about 6 months. Never seen another mousepad like that from them again...
I use a normal viper as my gaming mouse, as a southpaw, mouse options are limited. I have no complaints, i even bought a spare one, when the current one stops working.
@@djaybeetoo I am very left handed, but while I resisted at first, the switch to right handed mousing was obvious to me, every single time I went to use another persons computer! It was surprisingly easy. I guess the benefit of playing a guitar like Jimi is that you can still use a right handed guitar ;)
Magnesium alloy casting is not that expensive. It's very commonly used like on a $100 ikea table ass a piece connecting leg to the table. Or like motor frame in a $20 hand blender. Expense could possibly come from the need to finish machine the cutouts on some crazy 6 axis CNC due to the shape.
Not that I immediately take what Razer says at face value (e.g. their original Razer keyboard switches they claimed they "engineered") but for whatever Razer's word is worth, they claim that because of the intricacies of this particular design & their "0 tolerance" for defects, that for this mouse in particular, they can only use each mold once, and even then, the reject rate is "quite high"
I'll stick with my Naga Pro V2. Maaaaaybe if they introduce the lightweight shell to the Naga, I might consider it. Maybe.. but I love my mouse as it is :D
I can bet that the leather box, the 4000hz dongle , glass skates, extra ptfe skates plus mircrofibre cloth are alll at least half of that damn $280 price tag, razer why cant u just give people the mouse itself, i dont care about the extra goodies that im paying for
Razer is pretty much a "meme" brand at this point. Their CEO does weird things on social media, and after becoming a public limited company, Razer has become directionless and overpriced. They are only trying to please their shareholders. Nothing else.
I agree with your statement for sure. I do think their laptops are pretty good still, no? I have never used one, but they seem nice anyway. Their peripherals game has gone to shit, though. I bought this Razer Naga Trinity mouse a while back and I regret buying it for around $100 USD.
$280 for a mouse? That's just nuts. I realize that for high end competitive gaming you need a very capable mouse, but you don't need to spend that much money to get one.
You can sell ANYTHING - LITERALLY ANYTHING - to gamers. They are telling you that these mouses with wholes are good for air circulation and perfect for long gaming sessions and that the prevent sweating hands. Truth is, the only reason they manufacture thoses mouses is that they can save a few Cents because they need to use less plastic. And yes, that goes for magnesium alloy as well. It may sound fancy, but is also as cheap as the aluminium on Apple notebooks. Just maximizing their profits.
I've had to use the Orochi V2 because there wasn't a wireless mini and our cat is an idiot who loves to eat cords. I'll be interested to see if the Viper Mini Wireless can stay below $40
So... my honest 2 cents on that: considering that even on the site it`s not listed in the ``viper`` tab but as a ``signature``, and the limited edition stuff linked to this new label, this mouse more than a everyday use mouse is thought as a collector piece. Considering that i can see why it`s priced like that, it makes sense to me. It`s like a very ``conceptual`` mouse that usually you can`t buy but just use in events and conventions, but this time you can actually buy it untill the `` limited edition`` strikes. This kind of marketing it`s a thing in many other segments like, as mentioned, watches industries... the new thing is applying it to a mouse! what do ya thinks, folks?
The Razer Viper is my standard for mouse use but when it comes to the Mini signature edition? Nah, I'll wait for the plastic version. I meaan $280 is a bit much even though Razer packed a lot into the box to justify the price. I also have the Viper Mini and MAN! at 61g, I feel like I'm holding a sheet of paper so I can imagine 49g with the Signature Edition. As far as the triangular perforations? I believe Razer would have been better off with a plastic version and a solid shell. I get they're tryin to be fancy but keep with what works for the rest of us gamers.
Thing is there are plebs and social media influencers out there that will snap this up and tell you it's the "best mouse evvvaaaa" hence why companies produce these and put idiotic price tags on them. $280 for a frigging mouse ... let that sink in
I was able to snag one from the Reddit early drop that's already shipped out today. I watched the public drop and it was almost instantly gone probably from bot services people pay for to snipe buy them. the public one had a glitch when I viewed the website and said $238 (corporate discount applied) and then when I refreshed it said out of stock so I bet some of those scalpers got them for $238 unfortunately.
I somehow managed to get one from Razer's website. According to the plaque on my box, I am number 886 out of 1337. So they only produced 1337 apparently.
If some people are willing to pay 280$ for a mouse I don't blame razer for releasing a 280$ mouse. That said I personally see no practical justification for that price tag, it's a little ridiculous when there's so many good wireless mice that cost less than half.
I think Razer saw an opportunity as Finalmouse made themselves much more known thanks to the Starlight-12, but as it seems, it's not uncommon to see plenty of complaints in regards to QC. The signature edition is an statement on how top end mice should be made. In a sense I hope other manufacturers would try more of this, upping the bar on all fronts. I'm just disappointed Razer haven't gone more extreme, they could have easily gone under 40 grams with this.
I agree, for 280$ (320€) I expected a top notch perfomance in every aspect. We all know that Razer currently has probably the best wireless perfomance on the market but weight wise it's just not worth it considering something like the Lamzu Atlantis Mini weighs the same and is about 180 (!!) dollars cheaper. And considering Finalmouse announced a 200$ 29gramm 4kHz Carbonglass mouse it's kind of a sad release.
@@aeisbaer8042 I have doubts about Finalmemes claims. Carbonglass is absolutely shit compared to most other materials. It’s much cheaper than normal carbon, but durability and even weight wise it blows ass.
I don't get any stutter issues at all using 4k with my VIPER V2 PRO or my G-Wolves 4k MICE in aim lab grid shot. Can you please tell me the specs of your system system? Also what monitor - Resolution and refresh rate?
@@AimAdapt do you mean with the gwolves and razer software or outside software? I meant to say razer and gwolves may say it's at 4k but with websites that can test polling rate some ppl say it's actually at 2k
People with unoptimized systems get stuttering and issues at 4k. People who don't update firmware, who don't turn off c-states in bios, who don't know about the mouse needing to be isolated in a USB tree when it runs at 4k+, etc. I've been running 4k polling for over a year and only VERY few games actually give me problems. It just exposes bad hardware/software optimization because it requires such fast responses from your CPU and windows.
I'm one of the biggest enthusiasts in the mouse community, I've bought everything without hesitation, this price is not justifiable and I can't support it.
I have 0 issues with Aimlab, or any other game I've tried and 4000 hertz polling rate (razer Viper V2 Pro and 4khz dongle). Check your system, something must be not working right. My PC isn't even that big deal (10900k@5.2Ghz, 3080 10GB@2050mhz, 2x16gb Samsung bdie manual tune to 4100Mhz c16).
People with unoptimized systems get stuttering and issues at 4k. People who don't update firmware, who don't turn off c-states in bios, who don't know about the mouse needing to be isolated in a USB tree when it runs at 4k+, etc. I've been running 4k polling for over a year and only VERY few games actually give me problems. It just exposes bad hardware/software optimization because it requires such fast responses from your CPU and windows.
also in aimlabs, did you make sure to use a different USB hub than the main one your keyboard and everything else is plugged into? 2 devices running over 1000mhz plus a camera etc on the same hub WILL bottleneck your USB hub
Hello. On social media, there are many rumors that phones will be like this in the future as they can expand upon reservation, transparent, hologram... etc. My question is, do you think these rumors will be true in the future, or will the phones retain their current rectangular prism shape and can be put into a pocket? Option A in the survey can keep their current shape exactly, but those who say that we can enlarge the images on the screen with a 3D hologram from inside the screen can mark it when desired. Option B can be worn on the wrist like a bracelet, it can stretch when pulled, those who say they can't even relate to their current shape can mark it. Thank you for your answers in advance A or B
Like cool they wanted to step into the "Finalmouse market" but still people were asking for a Viper mini wireless for years. They seriously should of released the normal version first
4khz stuttering in aimlab is just your pc not being sufficiently optimized. it works all the way up to 8khz without flaws for me, and countless others.
the finalmouse is terrible, cheap mcu, mediocre click implementation, outdated sensor, terrible firmware, no software, it performs worse than $90 wireless mice
@@wqite on the latest one they changed to a flawless sensor and way better switches. And if we are talking about bad switches, logitech and razer switches are really really bad
@@lidorori Bad switch implementation, regarding shell design. Razer has the best switches on the market by a landslide and logitech uses fairly common switches so i have no idea what you’re talking about
@@wqite you are joking right? Logitech switches are shit, same for razers lol They both suffer Dobble clicking and are meh feeling. And true, my bad, the sensor on the fm is the 3370,they just tuned it way better. Look, it's easy to see razer just slapped a metal frame they kinda copied from fm on a 25$ mouse, added wireless and called it a day. Don't be a fan boy, fm is mostly trash and not worth the price, that's true, but this one? That's a freaking sad pathetic joke. Razer gear is mostly trash, se for logitech and all the big names. It's better to get a custom mouse/make one yourself and a custom kb, it will be way better and cost way less then this joke.
I would have spent $100 on the Deathadder v3 Pro. But it’s $170 in my country, so Razer didn’t get any of my money, and I got the G-Wolves Skoll for $60 instead. $110 more for the Deathadder… Wow 😂
It's cool to see others apart from finalmeme to do magnesium alloy shell. Though even with those holes it's not as light as you'd expect, just saying. But way overpriced for sure. But I'd still like to see others do magnesium alloy full shell design though. Way less CNC work too.
Razer is heavily pushing to normalize these insane peripheral prices and the amount of content creators passively helping them is just staggering. There is no mouse worth this kind of cash, period.
This more like buying a higher end/spec of a car. Or that 5K dollar PC. You're paying premium for more bling.. and I guess some more features although not needed for most people. There is no point to hit. It's more about that they can and there are some people who wants that. Definitely not for the majority of people. This mouse was never about value for money. If you're looking for that you need to look elsewhere. There is actually a lot of value for money gaming mices at the moment. Lamzu Atlantis one of the latest.
i dont think it will. i believe razer mentioned its a limited run item. so it'll probably only go up in price on the second hand market. like the starlight.
Im running viper 8khz on every game. Runs perfect. its not true 4khz doesn't work on some game. Probably you're on AMD cpu. No problems with intel with C-states disables...
4khz is not working is not really an engine thing, you can get it to run on every game no fps dips. just need to optimize your windows a bit. Run as little programs as possible. Make surer you are on a stable oc or clock speeds good ram timings and windows 11 helps alot.
My hand is like 18 by 10 cm. This shape is like one of the few mice I can claw the way I want. I bought the viper V2 and it just feels way to long. I might have to end up buying one
Before even watching... $280 gaming mouse!? What the actual fuck? Thats insane. You can buy a decent CPU for that price. A good set of RAM for that price. A decent monitor for that price. Some pretty decent headphones for that price. That mouse has to feel like a hot knife through butter, like no other gaming mouse has ever felt for that price. Now let me watch. Im just shocked lol. Crazy thing is, catch me when Im drunk and I might just buy it if its worth it.
As usual, another Razer product that isn’t that great. It works, it’s kinda nice, but the price isn’t worth it for what you get. I replaced my (OG) Blackwidow Chroma keyboard with the Huntsman which was more expensive than my Blackwidow. Total. Downgrade. Switches are wobblier, build quality is mediocre, switches trigger on their own if you hit your desk or set something heavy down on it (thuds activate it), and the typing experience isn’t as good. If I hadn’t spilled water on my Blackwidow and ruined some of the switches (they got crunchy) I’d probably still be using it. It’s a shame Razer isn’t all that anymore, bc their older products were great.
There's nothing wrong with buying a good quality piece of equipment. But at that price point, I don't think it has much of a market when there are many good alternatives, even in small fast wireless mice that don't cost even half what this thing does.
@@trailfork7815 CNC'd magnesium ain't cheap yo. Expensive and hella dangerous. My only worry are the side buttons longevity. If they stay, I think the quality of the mouse will hold very long term.
I really like that you started including awesome gameplay in your videos! Regarding Viper Mini Signature Edition, I find the battery life a huge deal breaker. Logitech manages to have much much higher battery life without being too heavy. It's because of the sensor efficiency. Also 4k pooling rate it's a gimmick for most people. I like having a wireless mouse without the drawbacks of wireless. Meaning not having to recharge my mouse daily, needing to tether my mouse to a cable when I run out of battery, or higher input lag. In case of Logitech, I'm getting all of that and more (reliability). I can easily forget to charge my mouse and it will still last me a few more days of use. I charge my Logitech mice so rarely that I don't even know if it's happening once per month or once every other month.
If 4k polling is a gimmick, turn it back to 1k and get the stated 60 hour battery life ("only" 10 less than the Superlight's 70). This isn't rocket science. As for charging, this has fast charge, which nets you something like 6 hours off a 5 min charge. That should be enough for most people to finish off their gaming sesh. Trash it for it's absurd price, sure, but not for optional features.
@@aidanleenstra1605 I don't really care about price when I want to get the best of the best in mice. Also, I didn't trash anything. I'm expressing my opinion regarding what I personally value in a well thought out mouse.
I'm sorry, how is 4000 HZ polling even a selling point? It just means the mouse updates 4000 times a second that is absolutely ridiculous. Humans take about a fifth to a quarter of a second to respond. And our movements are not nearly small and accurate enough to warrant any requirement for any polling above 1000 HZ and even that is questionable at times.
They removed the right side buttons??? NOOOOOOOOO. It was one of the few (or only?) mouses that the button on right could be mapped differently than the button on the left. They are very very useful for dota or wow etc.
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as a wired viper mini user , I would LOVE a normal viper mini wireless without a ridiculous price. it would be one the best wireless mice in the market
Razer states up to 60 hours of battery life on their official spec page. While it isn't indicated, it should be based on 1K Hz polling rate and not 4K Hz. I've tried the Basilisk V3 Pro myself and I have the 4K Hz dongle. Battery life is abysmal on 4K Hz no matter what. On the Basilisk V3 Pro, it has a 90 hours battery life on 1K Hz and just about 24 hours on 4K Hz.
Extrapolate that information and the Viper Mini Signature Edition will only run roughly 16 hours on 4K Hz. Add on the fact that 4K Hz is still not supported by quite a number of popular titles, it would be a meaningless feature to me should I own this mouse. Oh and should the situation on the Viper Mini Signature Edition be the same as the Basilisk V3 Pro, you wouldn't be able to use 4K Hz on wired while it's charging.
All in all, would just stick to 1K Hz.
4k Hz is definitely a pure luxury feature unless you're playing an eSports game and are playing at a very high rank (essentially max rank games + faceit)
You need to go outside more if you need more than 24 hours of battery life on a mouse. Also, it takes like 15 minutes to charge to 50%, 30 to get to 70%, and like 47 ish minutes to full from drained. Thats more than fine in my book.
Yes they have, this mouse is ridiculous 280$, the Viper Ultimate is 99$ CAD almost all year round.
The is the same area as custom keyboards. You can get same thing for a lot cheaper and does the same job. Diminish value return greatly increases as you go up in price.
imagine comparing custom artisan keyboards to razer
that's like comparing a lada to a lambo
@@trailfork7815 imagine paying $280+ for a keyboard v. a $280 mouse. Both serves a same job at the end of the day with diminishing return values.
@@Ziakel this. keyboard enthusiasts need to get their head out of their asses. people who love mice and are enthusiasts will definitely get this like they did the starlight which has way worse qc compared to this one.
@@trailfork7815that doesn’t make sense. The Razer/gaming keyboard destroys the custom in terms of performance
@@doge8153 if I'm spending more than $200 on a keyboard I would not even touch a razer with a 10 foot pole. I'll never spend another cent on a plastic pile shit keyboard no matter how marginally good it is
Its a marketing experiement. You could argue razer have been doing it for a while, but i just hope we don't lose the amazing products razer actually produce once they get as far appling themselves as they can. Happened with apple.
Yeah, they like to throw whatever ideas they have, and then see what stick.
I fell for their silicone mousepad, that came in a fancy case - this was ~10ago. It deteriorate to being unusable in about 6 months. Never seen another mousepad like that from them again...
It is crazy to me to think that this got sold out in less than 1 minute.. How many people actually payed that price lmao
I use a normal viper as my gaming mouse, as a southpaw, mouse options are limited. I have no complaints, i even bought a spare one, when the current one stops working.
As a southpaw the best option is to switch to using the mouse with your right hand, I did it a couple of decades ago.
@@-opus i am a stubborn southpaw, i even play guitar left handed like jimi hendrix lol
@@djaybeetoo I am very left handed, but while I resisted at first, the switch to right handed mousing was obvious to me, every single time I went to use another persons computer! It was surprisingly easy. I guess the benefit of playing a guitar like Jimi is that you can still use a right handed guitar ;)
Magnesium alloy casting is not that expensive.
It's very commonly used like on a $100 ikea table ass a piece connecting leg to the table.
Or like motor frame in a $20 hand blender.
Expense could possibly come from the need to finish machine the cutouts on some crazy 6 axis CNC due to the shape.
dont forget logistics, marketing, packaging for maximum profit
CNC definitely ups the cost and depending on how fine they want it to be, it might be a yield problem too.
Yeah it is a very involved process for this kind of a shape
Are you kidding? Do you have any idea how expensive molds are?
Not that I immediately take what Razer says at face value (e.g. their original Razer keyboard switches they claimed they "engineered") but for whatever Razer's word is worth, they claim that because of the intricacies of this particular design & their "0 tolerance" for defects, that for this mouse in particular, they can only use each mold once, and even then, the reject rate is "quite high"
I'll stick with my Naga Pro V2. Maaaaaybe if they introduce the lightweight shell to the Naga, I might consider it. Maybe.. but I love my mouse as it is :D
I really want to upgrade my Viper Ultimate, but I will not buy a wireless mouse without a charging stand.
Two more versions is coming i hope one of those will include a viper mini wired 8khz
Fractal ridge isn't gen 4 , it's gen 3 riser card, it's been listed in their website
I can bet that the leather box, the 4000hz dongle , glass skates, extra ptfe skates plus mircrofibre cloth are alll at least half of that damn $280 price tag, razer why cant u just give people the mouse itself, i dont care about the extra goodies that im paying for
on a manufacturing standpoint, all that is dirt cheap. They bundle it in because without it, it would be near impossible to ask for $280.
This new video format is great!
Razer is pretty much a "meme" brand at this point. Their CEO does weird things on social media, and after becoming a public limited company, Razer has become directionless and overpriced. They are only trying to please their shareholders. Nothing else.
They are just doing what they are supposed to do, make extremely high quality expensive products.
I agree with your statement for sure. I do think their laptops are pretty good still, no? I have never used one, but they seem nice anyway. Their peripherals game has gone to shit, though. I bought this Razer Naga Trinity mouse a while back and I regret buying it for around $100 USD.
@@Infinplayz “extremely high quality” …sure
But it's Razor the synapse software is a trash fire maybe they need to hit rock bottom before they can step out of the meme shadow.
Idk what you guys are getting but my stuff is incredible, especially the software
$280 for a mouse? That's just nuts. I realize that for high end competitive gaming you need a very capable mouse, but you don't need to spend that much money to get one.
Can't find it for 280, maybe 350-360
@@wololo10 on the official site its 280 for resellin its crazy high tho
People pay much more for paintings and they are more useless than that mouse.
im curious about the magnesium frame, but i'd never spend that much on a mouse
i have the starlight it’s just kinda like cold plastic
The real question is why use magnesium on the Viper mini instead of Deathadder or Viper V3s?
I absolutely hope they make a V3 with this magnesium body! I could do without the holes and leather box though lol
Because its just a collectors piece to make money, their magnesium alloy doesnt make the mouse lighter.
You can sell ANYTHING - LITERALLY ANYTHING - to gamers. They are telling you that these mouses with wholes are good for air circulation and perfect for long gaming sessions and that the prevent sweating hands. Truth is, the only reason they manufacture thoses mouses is that they can save a few Cents because they need to use less plastic. And yes, that goes for magnesium alloy as well. It may sound fancy, but is also as cheap as the aluminium on Apple notebooks. Just maximizing their profits.
Hearing that a standard cheaper definitely version is music to my ears.
I've had to use the Orochi V2 because there wasn't a wireless mini and our cat is an idiot who loves to eat cords. I'll be interested to see if the Viper Mini Wireless can stay below $40
So... my honest 2 cents on that: considering that even on the site it`s not listed in the ``viper`` tab but as a ``signature``, and the limited edition stuff linked to this new label, this mouse more than a everyday use mouse is thought as a collector piece. Considering that i can see why it`s priced like that, it makes sense to me.
It`s like a very ``conceptual`` mouse that usually you can`t buy but just use in events and conventions, but this time you can actually buy it untill the `` limited edition`` strikes.
This kind of marketing it`s a thing in many other segments like, as mentioned, watches industries... the new thing is applying it to a mouse! what do ya thinks, folks?
I agree with this assessment. Hell, they even hinted at the whole thing with a watch box and all.
‘You feel this massive holes when you make contact with the body’
yes
So about this magnesium alloy...after a lot of time using the mouse there are not going to be visible signs of use on the buttons?
We rarely get to see Dmitry play, but watching the CSGO run was sooo satisfying
he’s playing against bots 🙃
The Razer Viper is my standard for mouse use but when it comes to the Mini signature edition? Nah, I'll wait for the plastic version. I meaan $280 is a bit much even though Razer packed a lot into the box to justify the price. I also have the Viper Mini and MAN! at 61g, I feel like I'm holding a sheet of paper so I can imagine 49g with the Signature Edition. As far as the triangular perforations? I believe Razer would have been better off with a plastic version and a solid shell. I get they're tryin to be fancy but keep with what works for the rest of us gamers.
Thing is there are plebs and social media influencers out there that will snap this up and tell you it's the "best mouse evvvaaaa" hence why companies produce these and put idiotic price tags on them.
$280 for a frigging mouse ... let that sink in
we are still waiting for that "Soon" release of the regular mini wireless, damn you Razer
Great review as usual Dimitri :)
Man what setup do you use
You check your USB tree to make sure it's alone?
soooo was the wireless version of the mini the cobra today? vruh
I was able to snag one from the Reddit early drop that's already shipped out today. I watched the public drop and it was almost instantly gone probably from bot services people pay for to snipe buy them. the public one had a glitch when I viewed the website and said $238 (corporate discount applied) and then when I refreshed it said out of stock so I bet some of those scalpers got them for $238 unfortunately.
I somehow managed to get one from Razer's website. According to the plaque on my box, I am number 886 out of 1337. So they only produced 1337 apparently.
you can remove the stutters with enabling raw input buffer in most games
If some people are willing to pay 280$ for a mouse I don't blame razer for releasing a 280$ mouse.
That said I personally see no practical justification for that price tag, it's a little ridiculous when there's so many good wireless mice that cost less than half.
any information or idea about a release date for the normal viper mini wireless?
280$ huh?! Let's buy 10 Viper mini for 10 years usage
getting the ridge, should be here soon. gettiung that 4.0 riser card after I get the case.
the pff when u killed one dude and 2 bots in short got me rolling on the ground xD
I think Razer saw an opportunity as Finalmouse made themselves much more known thanks to the Starlight-12, but as it seems, it's not uncommon to see plenty of complaints in regards to QC.
The signature edition is an statement on how top end mice should be made. In a sense I hope other manufacturers would try more of this, upping the bar on all fronts. I'm just disappointed Razer haven't gone more extreme, they could have easily gone under 40 grams with this.
I agree, for 280$ (320€) I expected a top notch perfomance in every aspect. We all know that Razer currently has probably the best wireless perfomance on the market but weight wise it's just not worth it considering something like the Lamzu Atlantis Mini weighs the same and is about 180 (!!) dollars cheaper. And considering Finalmouse announced a 200$ 29gramm 4kHz Carbonglass mouse it's kind of a sad release.
@@aeisbaer8042 I have doubts about Finalmemes claims. Carbonglass is absolutely shit compared to most other materials. It’s much cheaper than normal carbon, but durability and even weight wise it blows ass.
Does it have that crap bloatware that shows up when you connect the mouse?
7:01 bros clutching on deathmatch :D
I don't get any stutter issues at all using 4k with my VIPER V2 PRO or my G-Wolves 4k MICE in aim lab grid shot. Can you please tell me the specs of your system system? Also what monitor - Resolution and refresh rate?
some mice on 4k end up polling lower for a number of reasons. can you check with some software if you are running at 4k consistently?
@@xDoMeRaSx No issues at all. I verified everything
@@ecapsdira Software for Razer and Gwolves is verified at 4k
@@AimAdapt do you mean with the gwolves and razer software or outside software? I meant to say razer and gwolves may say it's at 4k but with websites that can test polling rate some ppl say it's actually at 2k
People with unoptimized systems get stuttering and issues at 4k. People who don't update firmware, who don't turn off c-states in bios, who don't know about the mouse needing to be isolated in a USB tree when it runs at 4k+, etc. I've been running 4k polling for over a year and only VERY few games actually give me problems. It just exposes bad hardware/software optimization because it requires such fast responses from your CPU and windows.
Imo they should have made cut outs on the bottom instead of the top
I'm one of the biggest enthusiasts in the mouse community, I've bought everything without hesitation, this price is not justifiable and I can't support it.
Oh hai sply, you're from r slash MouseReview right?
Have you spoken to the Razer representatives? I feel like this release is awful to the community..
A keyboard at $280... I have no problem with that. A mouse at $280..... Nah I'm good lol.
I have 0 issues with Aimlab, or any other game I've tried and 4000 hertz polling rate (razer Viper V2 Pro and 4khz dongle). Check your system, something must be not working right. My PC isn't even that big deal (10900k@5.2Ghz, 3080 10GB@2050mhz, 2x16gb Samsung bdie manual tune to 4100Mhz c16).
People with unoptimized systems get stuttering and issues at 4k. People who don't update firmware, who don't turn off c-states in bios, who don't know about the mouse needing to be isolated in a USB tree when it runs at 4k+, etc. I've been running 4k polling for over a year and only VERY few games actually give me problems. It just exposes bad hardware/software optimization because it requires such fast responses from your CPU and windows.
@@xblur17 Yeah, that's what I figured happens most of the time.
also in aimlabs, did you make sure to use a different USB hub than the main one your keyboard and everything else is plugged into? 2 devices running over 1000mhz plus a camera etc on the same hub WILL bottleneck your USB hub
1000hz works perfectly fine. Just keep it that way 😅
Both the Viper Mini and Deathadder Mini are underrated mice!!😬
ye the viper mini for me is the best, it fits my hands really well
@@vonnhh my hands are a bit larger so I ended up getting a white viper on a deal recently, but I love it!!😎
Very nervous for Saturday night. I hope I can grab one before they sell out.
You can buy 10 regular Viper Minis for the price of one Viper Mini SE
I'd be accidentally filling that thing up with cheezie crumbs
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so many games only work without stutter at 2k polling, and windows doesnt even like 4 or 8k polling most of the time. X.X
needs fixing
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Option A in the survey can keep their current shape exactly, but those who say that we can enlarge the images on the screen with a 3D hologram from inside the screen can mark it when desired.
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Thank you for your answers in advance
A or B
30k dpi is overkill, 4k hz is overkill
Like cool they wanted to step into the "Finalmouse market" but still people were asking for a Viper mini wireless for years. They seriously should of released the normal version first
4khz stuttering in aimlab is just your pc not being sufficiently optimized. it works all the way up to 8khz without flaws for me, and countless others.
Id like to see a comparison with the starlight tenz
and this mouse
I guess they are thinking that this can compete with finalmouse as they went with the 49g weight
doesn't the pulling rate use a ton of CPU? I think that's why it stutters?
indeed , so normally over 1k polling rate is not ideal for most cpu , especially some CPU intensive games
This mouse with wooting 60HE and artisan mousepad + the best headset (IDK)
🔥🔥🔥
NO wireless charging. Missed opportunity.
razer viper mini wired and logitech g102 for life
Can you do a comparison with the final mouse?
It looks like the battery life is worse and it more of a copy then a new product.
the finalmouse is terrible, cheap mcu, mediocre click implementation, outdated sensor, terrible firmware, no software, it performs worse than $90 wireless mice
@@wqite on the latest one they changed to a flawless sensor and way better switches.
And if we are talking about bad switches, logitech and razer switches are really really bad
@@lidorori Bad switch implementation, regarding shell design. Razer has the best switches on the market by a landslide and logitech uses fairly common switches so i have no idea what you’re talking about
@@lidorori they did not change the sensor it’s still using a 3370 you got lied to
@@wqite you are joking right?
Logitech switches are shit, same for razers lol
They both suffer Dobble clicking and are meh feeling.
And true, my bad, the sensor on the fm is the 3370,they just tuned it way better.
Look, it's easy to see razer just slapped a metal frame they kinda copied from fm on a 25$ mouse, added wireless and called it a day.
Don't be a fan boy, fm is mostly trash and not worth the price, that's true, but this one? That's a freaking sad pathetic joke.
Razer gear is mostly trash, se for logitech and all the big names.
It's better to get a custom mouse/make one yourself and a custom kb, it will be way better and cost way less then this joke.
I would have spent $100 on the Deathadder v3 Pro. But it’s $170 in my country, so Razer didn’t get any of my money, and I got the G-Wolves Skoll for $60 instead. $110 more for the Deathadder… Wow 😂
i would use a leave-in ,agnetic connector and plug the mouse in to charge when not in use. almost a dock.
I really can't wait to get the normal wireless viper mini
viper mini still goated
It's cool to see others apart from finalmeme to do magnesium alloy shell. Though even with those holes it's not as light as you'd expect, just saying. But way overpriced for sure.
But I'd still like to see others do magnesium alloy full shell design though. Way less CNC work too.
Razer is heavily pushing to normalize these insane peripheral prices and the amount of content creators passively helping them is just staggering. There is no mouse worth this kind of cash, period.
Definitely don't see the point in this mouse. Most useful review I've seen so far. Much appreciated!
This more like buying a higher end/spec of a car. Or that 5K dollar PC. You're paying premium for more bling.. and I guess some more features although not needed for most people. There is no point to hit. It's more about that they can and there are some people who wants that. Definitely not for the majority of people.
This mouse was never about value for money. If you're looking for that you need to look elsewhere. There is actually a lot of value for money gaming mices at the moment. Lamzu Atlantis one of the latest.
for minecraft pvp!!
Why are people concerning about difference in laptop and mobile gpu previously noneone used to talk when 3000 series launch
I appreciate the honesty Dimitri, many channels try to appease the manufacturers and not be frank and blunt you were on point.
Magnesium? Why not titanium?!? Come on Razer, titanium will be so much harder to crush.
dont usually like the holes in mice but that ones kinda badass. gonna have to wait for price to drop though lol.
i dont think it will. i believe razer mentioned its a limited run item. so it'll probably only go up in price on the second hand market. like the starlight.
@@hennwei only the first 1337 units will have a designated one out of, otherwise they'll continue making these so they're not limited run.
no one gonna talk about that amazing aim lab gameplay at the beginning? or am I just really bad at aim lab
My Mionix does the job nicely thanks Razor
Im running viper 8khz on every game. Runs perfect. its not true 4khz doesn't work on some game. Probably you're on AMD cpu. No problems with intel with C-states disables...
Need magnetic levitation to reduce the movement resistance on electromagnetically controlled mouse pad
i suppose. it's a nice buy for those who miss out on finalmouse starlights and do not want to buy at resale price
4khz is not working is not really an engine thing, you can get it to run on every game no fps dips. just need to optimize your windows a bit. Run as little programs as possible. Make surer you are on a stable oc or clock speeds good ram timings and windows 11 helps alot.
can't wait to pick this up on black friday lol
This new mice makes me miss the old razer mice.
They are nuts!
My hand is like 18 by 10 cm. This shape is like one of the few mice I can claw the way I want. I bought the viper V2 and it just feels way to long. I might have to end up buying one
They will release a plastic one, probably soon-ish.
Every part of pc gaming is getting waaaaay too expensive. All these companies are milking gamers for every cent we have.
inflation.
Before even watching... $280 gaming mouse!? What the actual fuck? Thats insane. You can buy a decent CPU for that price. A good set of RAM for that price. A decent monitor for that price. Some pretty decent headphones for that price. That mouse has to feel like a hot knife through butter, like no other gaming mouse has ever felt for that price. Now let me watch. Im just shocked lol. Crazy thing is, catch me when Im drunk and I might just buy it if its worth it.
I would save up the money and get Odin 75 kbdfans lol
$280 with all the issues of the normal viper mini. double click mouse4, scroll wheel skips, bad switch registry.
How come no other yoputuber mentioned the 4k Hz performance issues? That's some integrity there...
Sorry! Price is ridiculous! I am with Logitech Team 😉😛 I got my G502 LightSpeed for 100$!
I'm glad you guys are not trying to defend this clown show by Razer
As usual, another Razer product that isn’t that great. It works, it’s kinda nice, but the price isn’t worth it for what you get.
I replaced my (OG) Blackwidow Chroma keyboard with the Huntsman which was more expensive than my Blackwidow. Total. Downgrade. Switches are wobblier, build quality is mediocre, switches trigger on their own if you hit your desk or set something heavy down on it (thuds activate it), and the typing experience isn’t as good. If I hadn’t spilled water on my Blackwidow and ruined some of the switches (they got crunchy) I’d probably still be using it.
It’s a shame Razer isn’t all that anymore, bc their older products were great.
You really don't know what you're talking about
There's nothing wrong with buying a good quality piece of equipment. But at that price point, I don't think it has much of a market when there are many good alternatives, even in small fast wireless mice that don't cost even half what this thing does.
true, there's nothing wrong with paying for quality but quality and razer don't mix so this is just straight up daylight robbery
@@trailfork7815 CNC'd magnesium ain't cheap yo. Expensive and hella dangerous. My only worry are the side buttons longevity. If they stay, I think the quality of the mouse will hold very long term.
advocates for no holes and environmental friendly packaging then does the opposite lol
I really like that you started including awesome gameplay in your videos!
Regarding Viper Mini Signature Edition, I find the battery life a huge deal breaker. Logitech manages to have much much higher battery life without being too heavy. It's because of the sensor efficiency.
Also 4k pooling rate it's a gimmick for most people.
I like having a wireless mouse without the drawbacks of wireless. Meaning not having to recharge my mouse daily, needing to tether my mouse to a cable when I run out of battery, or higher input lag.
In case of Logitech, I'm getting all of that and more (reliability). I can easily forget to charge my mouse and it will still last me a few more days of use.
I charge my Logitech mice so rarely that I don't even know if it's happening once per month or once every other month.
If 4k polling is a gimmick, turn it back to 1k and get the stated 60 hour battery life ("only" 10 less than the Superlight's 70).
This isn't rocket science.
As for charging, this has fast charge, which nets you something like 6 hours off a 5 min charge. That should be enough for most people to finish off their gaming sesh.
Trash it for it's absurd price, sure, but not for optional features.
@@aidanleenstra1605 I don't really care about price when I want to get the best of the best in mice. Also, I didn't trash anything. I'm expressing my opinion regarding what I personally value in a well thought out mouse.
I'm sorry, how is 4000 HZ polling even a selling point? It just means the mouse updates 4000 times a second that is absolutely ridiculous. Humans take about a fifth to a quarter of a second to respond. And our movements are not nearly small and accurate enough to warrant any requirement for any polling above 1000 HZ and even that is questionable at times.
cant we just have a normal viper mini that is wireless :(
I used to only buy Razer gear cause of all the RGB but now there is better RGB out there lol
Looks like very high quality
They removed the right side buttons??? NOOOOOOOOO. It was one of the few (or only?) mouses that the button on right could be mapped differently than the button on the left. They are very very useful for dota or wow etc.
i use the right side buttons a lot for melee and reload in FPS games, I play lefthanded.
Price! Wats Govining For Razer?! 280 $