“This BMW M4 feels more like a car for social media than for solitary driving” is the most 2021-auto-industry thing I’ve ever heard. Says a lot about the current state of the new car market. Ever since the new M3/M4 came out, I’ve been trying to ask myself, “what does the grille say in a broader sense about where the auto industry is these days?” I think Todd just answered that question brilliantly.
They purposely made it ugly to get attention kind of like how clickbait works now. Producers either car or media just want attention whether it’s negative attention or good
If they liked the Mach 1 with the auto, they'd have fallen head over heels with the Tremec in it. It totally changes the feel of the car to a better level.
100% agree. Plus when you actually think about buying these cars, in this configuration, the Mustang is $40k cheaper. Considering they both give you a phenomenal driving experience, I'd save the money and go for the car that's more fun to drive and look at.
Mach 1 looks like every other mustang on the road. M4 looks new and it shits on the mustang in every single perfromace metric u can do. While having an actual luxury interior and better tech. No brainer
That's why on a test ride that I realized the BMW M240i was the best drivers car imaginable imo! Not to mention extremely fast 4.2 seconds or better to 60 mph! I also did a test ride in the S3 and S4, and neither were even close to the Beemer! The Miata leaves a lot to be desired from a performance standpoint, but it's a fun little car from what I hear! My point was try a proper BMW and like myself you will be blown away with an M2 competition, M240i, and I'm sure other M cars! Don't give up on the Germans just the brand Audi lol!✌
@@whata86 Not to much the 2 series in general is considered reliable! The B58 engine in particular is the best inline turbo 6 BMW ever created according to the experts! It's under warranty for a long time still, so not overly concerned at this point! I have 14k on it already, and I don't baby it with no troubles so far. I pray it stays reliable because the car is incredible to drive, and extremely fast!✌
It's such a shame you couldn't get a Mach1 with the Handling Pack and 6 Speed. I hope you guys get a chance to take another look, with a Mach1 so equipped.
Thanks for a very informative video. I'm Mustang all the way. I was a teenager when the first Mustang was introduced at the World Fair. I've loved the Mustang since then. My first new car and daily driver for 12 years was a Mustang. Now my retirement car is a Ruby Red Mustang. It's just fun to drive.
The inflation sticker shock gets pretty real when you realize that you could have purchased a GT350 in 2019 or 2020 for the same price they're now asking for a Mach 1 in 2021.
You guys are forgetting a Loaded GT can cost $56k. The Mach 1 actually isn't all that much more when you compare them equally in terms of options. Remember the Mach 1 premium comes loaded. And then you get all those extra's with the Mach 1, like different suspension, wheels, tires, better exhaust, nicer looking rear and front fascia, the Tremec, etc. It's too bad you didn't get the Handling Package car. That's the one to buy and it looks awesome.
And for the record, not only does the front of the Mach 1 look better, but the rear of the Mach 1 also looks much better than the rear of the M4. The Mach 1 with the handling Package takes it to another level and looks awesome. Blows the Beamer out of the water in terms of looks, sound, reliability, and bang-for-the-buck.
Hahahaha sure buddy, not even a fan of both so neither the bmw but it's the better car in all eara's besides sound and that like I said before subjective. It drives better, has better handling, it's faster, much faster even, it looks better inside and outside and the finish can't even be compared it's that much higher up.
@@swansmeister The M4 does NOT handle better than a mach 1 with the handling pkg and mag ride. And if you think the M4 looks better please have your eyes checked. The nose is pretty bad and the rest of the car is fairly generic and boring. The Mach 1 on the other hand looks awesome from every angle. The BMW, as a luxury brand, of course has a little better fit& finish and initial quality but that's why you pay so much for it. And the Mach 1's fit & finish and quality is not bad by any means. And yes the beamer is a little faster in a straight line, but the aftermarket is insane for mustangs and the Mach 1 can easily be made just as fast or faster and still cost WAY less than the M4. Overall the Mach 1 is a much better bang for the buck and will also be more reliable and cost way less to maintain. Luxury euro cars are the worst cars to own in terms of reliability and maintenance, especially once the warranty expires. But to each their own I guess.
Considering the difference in price between the The beaver and the horse, you really should’ve chosen a GT 500 as a comparison car. At that point they would be the same price and yet it’s still basically below the skin a horse.
Saw a white one yesterday in Leesburg Georgia. It’s beautiful. I’m currently in the market for a Jeep but I may hold another year or two. It’s that good
yes, but they did one stupid move,, they killed of the fusion..i have a 2014 fusion 2.0 ecoboost engine ( the better spanjsh engine ) se w/lux package and 235/45/19 wheels and tires..ans some othere mods..and i can roast most 3 tpes on the roads with it..hy1 between sasulito and stinson beach.. one was in front of me,, and pulled away..so he wants to play????? so i stuff mine into sports mode.. now only using paddle shift.. and after a few miles.. he gave up and pulled to a turnout.. and started chasing me.. after a few corners,, he started to fall behind....never got above 3rd gear. paddle shift...6 speed auto... my g/f told me when we stopped at stinson beach.. that see saw 2 or 3 orange warning light flikker on and off.. i asked her to show me the location of the orange lights... they were my traction/ stability control and my abs lamps.. was pushing my car pretty hard to make those show up..dont know about the bmw driver..i looked around for the car. after we parked..did not find it
Well don't get your hopes up the Ford Bronco is a mess, just look under the hood and decide for yourself. I was excited but after seeing one for myself, dissapointment is an understatement.
@@wrighterjfly - disappointing in what way? The best looking car that has come out in the last 10 yrs. What’s under the hood that’s a mess?? That Ecoboost engine is great. All I’m hearing is I’m a fanboy of another manufacturer and am hating on Ford and the bronco for no reason.
Two of my favorite cars, I’m going to end up with one of them next year in 2022; it’s looking like Mach 1 Premium with Handling & Elite package, no back seats (TREMEC of course)
I gotta go with the m4, the great driving dynamics accompanied with that glorious v8 of the mustang is tempting but that interior isn’t something I can forgive. The m4 is just a more complete car, checks every box and still offers the 6mt. Never cared what others said about the beaver front, I don’t mind it. Actually kinda like it.
@@G82Watts a lot of buyers overcame initial shock, and put up with it only because engineers did such a great job on it. Also interior feels like 3 gens ahead of old one.
@@johnnymula2305 Oh nice!, If I could go back in time, e9 would be on my top 5 list to buy. I currently own an e30m3 and a 190e 2.3-16 euro specs. I once had a w124 500e, but regrettably sold it...ugh.
That BMW grill is a nightmare as soon as it’s in view causes a literal shake of my head. Trying to clear my eyes, I guess. Also BMW give us steering feel, please! So the ‘Stang has to be my choice.
It is absolutely hideous. I recently went to my local BMW dealer to keep my wife company while her vehicle was getting serviced. One of the salesmen attempted to get me trade my 2020 Mustang GT for one of their BMW's with that horrible front end design. I told him that not only would I never trade for any of those but they would have to literally give me one of those monstrosities for free and then would still owe me at least a couple of grand for all the pain and suffering from having to look at that design mistake every day. Sheesh.
Well Done. I am. however, astonished to realize that to buy the M4, you'll have to pay a 67% premium over the Mach 1. Too bad Ford couldn't supply a manual version. On the flip side, you can park the M4 in a forest and it will gnaw down all the trees...
@@raionshishi8290 don’t matter, and I replied to this comment. You cannot take a car fully loaded and compare to a base model and conclude one is way more expensive .. as a conclusion. A can of Coke attached to a gold bar is 50,000 times more expensive than a can of Pepsi. Sure … it it’s irrelevant if you compare the drinks.
I may be the only person to feel this way but I love the g80/g82 front end. I hated it at first much like I hated the 2018+ mustang front end but like the mustang the bmw has really grown on me, to the point that I much prefer the “beaver” front end over all other cars right now. I currently own a 2020 401a, 6 speed mustang with the performance pack and adaptive suspension and it’s great…. But I would love to have a g80 M3 manual in IOMG!
Since I first heard you say "the beaver teeth", I simply can't look at a BMW and not die laughing! Best definition to a design feature EVER! By the way, thanks for another excellent video, guys!
@@EverydayDriverwhy are the new m3 and m4 selling triple the amount of cars then the old m3 and m4. Check bmw sales stats. Looks like ur opinion is just that. An opinion
0:50 "Was one of these manufacturers looking at the other one?" Well... have you seen the 8 Series coupe? BMW's definitely been looking at the Mustang.
As much as I'm a huge muscle car fan, I'd gladly shell out the extra dough for the M4 if it wasn't absolutely, 100% guaranteed to be a maintenance nightmare in no time at all.
@@G82Wattsinteresting, must be an American perspective. Here in the UK every third car seems to be a BMW, all look the same, nobody notices - but a mustang, a rare beast turns everyone’s heads, like you’ve just seen a Hollywood celebrity.
@@klasseact6663 God. Perfect question. I don't know! I wish the C8 rear was better, but the front of the M4 is so bad that I wonder how it ever went into production. So, I'll go M4.
Absolutely great comparison video, great as always. It's a bit tough for me for compare them mentally as one is $40,000 more than the other (as tested). I'd get the mustang AND a veloster type n with the savings.
Wow! Your production quality and filming locations are absolutely amazing! Can't get over the beaver, and for that price, I'll stick with the Mustang (can almost get 2 for the price of 1 [ugly] M4)
I remember the 6th gen Camaro SS beat the M4 in every category, the road course was the only thing where it was essentially a tie. I believe it was Motor Trend Head 2 Head.
Air cooled Porsche pilot from days past. My 912 Targa was sublime. I knew were the tires were at all times, it was light, and the wail of that flat four. And then I found motorcycles. I'm all better now.
Nice review of two great cars! The only thing that would have made it better is if you both ended the video crawling into those oversized doors that BMW calls a grill.
Great review, I agree with the judgement on the Beemer's weirdly shaped radiator grille. If I were going to spend $60K on a pony car it would be the GT 350. The automatic on the Mach 1 is sacrilegious.
Great video ! Had a 15 GT pp1 with cloth recaros.. and for $22k usd I’d take that again over either of these cars. I traded the 15 in for a 19 Bullitt that felt heavy af and the leather recaros were horrid. After the engine knock started I traded it in after 4 weeks for a F82 M4 6 speed. Been loving that car for the last 2.5 years and due to covid prices in the used market debated on selling it and picking up a new M4 or a Mach1. Leaning towards the Mach1 with the cloth recaros but they won’t allow the fighter jet grey appearance package on the base with handling package and cloth recaros. To get the fighter jet grey you have to get premium and that only gets leather recaros which feel like a plastic chair in grade school covered with vinyl. So no go there. For the new M4.. just look at the front. So no go there. Couldn’t care less if it was a McLaren 720s under the skin, if it’s that ugly it’s a No. 😢
@Karol Szymon Wiśniewski I watched this test. Something was wrong with that car running 13s. I’ve hit mid 12s on the street in my 10 speed mustang gt stock (and they can kiss 11s on a prepped surface)
Both are brilliant cars, each with their plusses and minuses. The M4 has more class and a much nicer interior (the mustang's interior has a bit of a cheap look to me). I actually like that front end. It has significantly grown on me and looks very nice in reality. On the other hand, that mustang V8 sound just can't be beat. The mustang also oozes that raw muscle car spirit. It looks like it's going fast, even when parked. If I had to pick one I'd probably pick the M4. If I had enough money I think I would save myself the trouble of choosing and just buy both. Great job, Ford and BMW.
For a 40K extra over the Mustang, I'd expect the interior to be a lot nicer. Nobody seems to be talking about the cost difference here. For 100k one could have the Mach 1 and a nice medium size SUV to drive when the weather sucks or you want to haul the family to the beach for the weekend.
Todd's comment about another one's spouse was hilarious and spot on. Even if the video and the cars were not so good, that comment alone would get a thumbs up.
Although the GT350 engine brings it's own unique excitement;It would've been interesting to see how much specialness and fun could've been regained in other areas if the track pack spec+the manual with speed shifting were to be tested.Also, does the the earlier torque delivery of the Mach 1allow you to short shift so you have more fun opportunity to row through the gears on backroads vs GT350? Thx!
@@klasseact6663 it amazing how the squeaky wheel always get the attention! Absolutely zero problems with the engine, burns zero oil and I take it as a point of pride to beat the snot out of her every single time I drive her! It is too bad that the absolute minority of owners actually "know" this guy with engine problems, lemon by backs, ect. It's like a damn Bigfoot sighting! Bottom line is that it is completely disingenuous to brand a motor as garbage when this motor/transmission combo is what makes this car so damn special. Allow the engine to get to operating temperature, until then, keep the revs low. After that, use the entire RPM range and go full send every chance you can. Don't baby it... drive the damn car and you will always get that smiles per miles we all brag about. 2 bus loads of people complaining about their blown engine experience pales in comparison to the area full of people that can't say enough on how great this car is.
@@curaco678 I am basing my opinion on 2 friends who are experienced track guys know how to take care of the car know how to drive. I agree with you 100% that the engine is what makes the car great and it is far superior to the other products but unfortunately due to the size of the engine the flat plane crank has bad if plain crank has bad vibration problems.
It’s good to see that I’m not the only one that thinks that front end on the M4 looks amazing! It reminds me of the nostrils of a thoroughbred racing horse
I am BMW fan, but I would take that Mach 1. Saw it in real, it is gorgeous. And that engine sounds as beautiful. Just great car. Not to mention, BMW costs some 40K more.I could buy Tesla Model 3 for that money. As my second car. ;-)
9:02 it should only come as a 6 speed. It has auto rev matching, no lift shift and throttle assist so it’s almost impossible to stall it. I’m watching reviews until spring as there’s now salt on the roads and mine won’t see the road until April or so.
I'd be happy as heck with this Mach 1! Yes, it does lack some of the amenities of the M4 but is 40K less. No, I wouldn't be settling, I'd be reliving my youth when I had a '72 Mach 1.
2:09 if you pop out some rivets from the radiator cover you pop it off and then pop out the left side “fog” light cover it is an air intake. It’s basically a factory ram air giving you a few extra horsepower.
Really enjoyable episode, guys! Hopefully you'll get the issues with Amazon sorted out so we can buy the entire season (since I no longer have a cable or satellite subscription to watch these when they first air).
It's funny, I know exactly what Todd is saying. I have a Mustang GT with suspension from the GT350R and Steeda. I drove the Giulia Quad on mountain roads for a day. It was faster on a technical road as it stuck like glue and turn in was super quick, it felt like there was computer magic under me. However, it didn't have the mechanical analog feel of my car with its manual, torsen diff, spherical bearings and v8 crackling away. Driving my car fast is more work but a lot of involving, fun and dangerous. Lol
First time I saw the M4 front end I laughed and puked a little at the same time. Not sure when but over time and the more I saw it, the cooler it looked to me. It's pretty in your face but it has some nice lines. I think on a darker colored car it would be pretty nice. Looks modern at least.
I bought my first mustang GT at 15 years old. Watched in horror back in 94 as the Fox body and 5.0 got replaced with a sohc 4.6….Then I saw a glimmer of hope with the 03-04 “terminator” cobra, was excited in 2011 about the coyote 5.0L and am thrilled at where the Mustangs are now. Well done Ford!
Let me sum this up for you...I own both a mach 1 and a 2022 m3 comp..... night and day! Not just a 1 day test drive. Mustang sounds great, that's where it ends. No comparison in any way shape or form. If you can afford to buy an m3, don't even bother with the mach.
I am a BMW fan. I'm also a Mustang fan. A year ago I opted for the mustang over the BMW based on a lot of the points you both bring up. Instead of going Shelby though I chose a GT and am modifying it to my wants and needs. Plus that way I save on insurance too. It was more important to me to take that money and spend it wisely that too pay for the Shelby name and an insurance hike. And boy is it fun to drive!
I actually love the Kidney XL grills. Even I know people will think they are ugly. Maybe they will age well Maybe I can look forward to a super cheap used one :)
Lexus RCF may be another alternative. I'd prefer the BMW in the M3 sedan format myself as a family man. North American buyers have more options with the Cadillac Blackwings for manual transmissions. Great content guys. Ultimately, a Kia Stinger GT was my personal choice for what my budget would allow.
"derivative" sounds kinda unfair considering that the S58 only shares 10% of it's components with the B58. It's a race engine. It has more in common with the engine in the new M4 GT3 than the engine in a Supra haha
@@n9athan I'm an Audi guy but this engine is just so fucking good. Really the only differences at the engine are using two throttle valves, a direct intercooler and dry sump lubrication to position the engine lower in the race car. The block, rods and pistons, exhaust manifold, turbos, crankcase, cylinder head with all the inner workings and so on... all stock. When they build a M4 GT3 they take the engine from the regular production lines, add a few different parts to it and voilà: your engine is ready to race.
I have the Magnaride in my 2018 Camaro 2SS Hot Wheels Edition and it is definitely a game changer for engagement much like having a manual can be. The day I bought the car I also test drove a manual 2020 2SS Camaro without the magnaride and even though that was manual it felt less engaging than my Hot Wheels. Hope this helps 🙏
I'd say it's worth it for the tremec vs getrag in the stock mustang. You can option the magneride on the stock gt but only the mach 1 has the tremec option.
One small thing missing from the equation when comparing March 1 to GT350 is that GT350 is -- as hyped the engine is -- notorious for engine problems. I like the irony getting a car FOR the engine and then not being able to DRIVE it due to failure of said engine. March 1 might cost "as much", but we know the engine is dependable. The conclusion is: GT350 wasn't sorted properly, and that's why it cost what it did. If they'd sort it out, it'd have been more money. So March 1 is priced appropriately.
Most likely the GT350 would have been more reliable if the displacement was 4.0 instead of 5.0. Overall it was a good engine, but too many took the GT350 and tried to supercharge/turbo them.
Agree. I would never own an GT350 BECAUSE of the engine and its lack of reliability and cost to maintain. The weakness of the Mustang GT is the 6-speed. The Mach 1 fixes that. I think the Mach 1 is the best Mustang. I would take it over a GT350 because of reliability and I would take it over the GT500 because of the GT500's big, gaping mouth. The GT500 isn't as ugly as the BMW M4 in the front, but Ford really ruined the look.
The build quality and engineering on the bmw is above and beyond the mustang. Any 15 year old Ford has the clear coat peeling off,crap paint jobs. I am a Ford F-150 owner
You’d be surprised… we always are… there are comments on every video that say “first thing I’ve ever seen from you guys…”. Lots of people out there that don’t seem to know who we are or the range of what we do. Thank you very much for knowing and being with us!
"I dont think there is a person or thing out there that hides its weight better then this car " . Me wearing black all the time : "Am i a joke to you ??"
Great video guys! I am in the minority in that I like the looks of the new M4. The old grille looks too small and very dated now, especially when Audis and Mercedes have large grilles as well. I’m surprised that neither of you really harped on how bad the automatic transmission is in the BMW when compared to the previous dual clutch manual transmissions. So much less racy of an experience, I like the hard shifting of dual clutch manual transmissions.
You are right that the Mustang isn't a car that one buys for fuel economy but I have to say, I drove a 2016 GT convertible with MT for four years and was able to make several multi day road trips with it and I have to say, I was very pleased with the fuel economy I got out of that car. It was EPA'd at 25 mpg highway but I averaged between 27 and 27.5 mpg on the road. Not bad at all for a V8 powered car.
Guys, 40 grand difference in price and that makes the Mustang the winner by a county mile. Yes it is not as good as the M4 but for what Ford produces at that price you've got to declare the Ford as the winner.
That makes it better value. Not the winner. Use a dictionary and understand the meaning of words. Winning is when you beat it in majority of the categories. And these American cars have shitty quality n worse reliability them even the Germans. I'm not even talking about the expensive ford's but even the cheap ones. But for VALUE yes the Mustang is hard to beat. If the BMW is the latest iPhone then the mustang is a redmi phone
@@vise5224 Ford could have - easily - built a BMW beater but chose to stick to a price point to appeal to the wider cross section of buyer.. It is a winner. It costs BMW so much to produce a car which Ford could match with a much lower price. Shit quality may be what your county produces. Most cop cars are Ford. If they were unreliable then they would not have been purchased.
Car&Driver statistic for 2017 SS 1LE Curb weight: 3747 lb let’s assume that’s without fuel. 3747 + (20x6.2) = #3871. Unless you weigh 529 lbs the scale you used was inaccurate.
How fortunate is that when they were discussing their final thoughts we could see the front of the Mustang and the rear of the BMW. Thanks for that
Cause the front is considered ugly?
@ Matheus Guerra
Yea kind of like how I can read you’re comment but dont have to look at your face at the same time
Lmao
That wasn't a coincidence..
@@caribbeanseas "your"
“This BMW M4 feels more like a car for social media than for solitary driving” is the most 2021-auto-industry thing I’ve ever heard. Says a lot about the current state of the new car market. Ever since the new M3/M4 came out, I’ve been trying to ask myself, “what does the grille say in a broader sense about where the auto industry is these days?” I think Todd just answered that question brilliantly.
Glad that comment resonated with you! Thanks for watching!
Thank you Billy for the well crafted comment! Your mom is calling you for dinner!
They purposely made it ugly to get attention kind of like how clickbait works now. Producers either car or media just want attention whether it’s negative attention or good
to be fair these aerodynamics are just better than the prior generation even though they look not that good.
@@EverydayDriver Didn't have access to the handling pack Mach 1 ?(dosen't have the handling pack rear spoiler).
I love the staccato thunder of that V8. It’s like The Gods are tearing the fabric of the mountains.
If they liked the Mach 1 with the auto, they'd have fallen head over heels with the Tremec in it. It totally changes the feel of the car to a better level.
THIS ☝🏻🙏🏻
100% agree. Plus when you actually think about buying these cars, in this configuration, the Mustang is $40k cheaper. Considering they both give you a phenomenal driving experience, I'd save the money and go for the car that's more fun to drive and look at.
I can't imagine buying a Mach 1 without the tremec, thats literally the main selling point IMO but it seems overlooked by most people
@@justinelliott293 Major FACTS ☝🏻
@@justinelliott293 I thought the fighter jet grey color only came in a manual 😕.
Mach 1 for me. The sound alone of the Mustang has me sold.
Mach 1 is so nice looking and it sounds much better IMO too!
Looks even better with the bigger rear spoiler with the gurney flap, absolute perfection
Looks like shit from inside ...like a 20k car
Mach 1 looks like every other mustang on the road. M4 looks new and it shits on the mustang in every single perfromace metric u can do. While having an actual luxury interior and better tech. No brainer
I'd get the Mustang just for the V8 rumble alone.
"Amazed more than engaged". Great line. That is why I traded an Audi S4 for a Miata.
bingo! you get it!
That's why on a test ride that I realized the BMW M240i was the best drivers car imaginable imo! Not to mention extremely fast 4.2 seconds or better to 60 mph! I also did a test ride in the S3 and S4, and neither were even close to the Beemer! The Miata leaves a lot to be desired from a performance standpoint, but it's a fun little car from what I hear! My point was try a proper BMW and like myself you will be blown away with an M2 competition, M240i, and I'm sure other M cars! Don't give up on the Germans just the brand Audi lol!✌
@@germanengineering204 M2 is a great car. the miata or porsche boxster is too.
@@germanengineering204 bmw is a great riding vehicle . Arnt you worried about the reliability though?
@@whata86 Not to much the 2 series in general is considered reliable! The B58 engine in particular is the best inline turbo 6 BMW ever created according to the experts! It's under warranty for a long time still, so not overly concerned at this point! I have 14k on it already, and I don't baby it with no troubles so far. I pray it stays reliable because the car is incredible to drive, and extremely fast!✌
It's such a shame you couldn't get a Mach1 with the Handling Pack and 6 Speed. I hope you guys get a chance to take another look, with a Mach1 so equipped.
Thanks for a very informative video. I'm Mustang all the way. I was a teenager when the first Mustang was introduced at the World Fair. I've loved the Mustang since then. My first new car and daily driver for 12 years was a Mustang. Now my retirement car is a Ruby Red Mustang. It's just fun to drive.
s550's are great daily drivers.
And it still looks the same as it did when introduced. Lol
The inflation sticker shock gets pretty real when you realize that you could have purchased a GT350 in 2019 or 2020 for the same price they're now asking for a Mach 1 in 2021.
Even crazier that they’re asking 100k for the Mbeaver.
And the Mach 1 depreciates at the same rate as the GT, dropping like a stone.
Really great piece as always. Thoroughly enjoyed the sound mix. Panning the Mustang’s exhaust note from left to right in my headphones was perfect.
Glad you noticed. Thanks for watching!
You guys are forgetting a Loaded GT can cost $56k. The Mach 1 actually isn't all that much more when you compare them equally in terms of options. Remember the Mach 1 premium comes loaded. And then you get all those extra's with the Mach 1, like different suspension, wheels, tires, better exhaust, nicer looking rear and front fascia, the Tremec, etc. It's too bad you didn't get the Handling Package car. That's the one to buy and it looks awesome.
That handling package is what makes it different from the GT.
@@MrMashman93and the tremec
And for the record, not only does the front of the Mach 1 look better, but the rear of the Mach 1 also looks much better than
the rear of the M4. The Mach 1 with the handling Package takes it to
another level and looks awesome. Blows the Beamer out of the water in
terms of looks, sound, reliability, and bang-for-the-buck.
Facts and still have money for Whipple or a Roush with warranty. 750 hp easier …
If you can get a Mach 1 Handling used, you've won.
Hahahaha sure buddy, not even a fan of both so neither the bmw but it's the better car in all eara's besides sound and that like I said before subjective. It drives better, has better handling, it's faster, much faster even, it looks better inside and outside and the finish can't even be compared it's that much higher up.
@@swansmeister The M4 does NOT handle better than a mach 1 with the handling pkg and mag ride. And if you think the M4 looks better please have your eyes checked. The nose is pretty bad and the rest of the car is fairly generic and boring. The Mach 1 on the other hand looks awesome from every angle. The BMW, as a luxury brand, of course has a little better fit& finish and initial quality but that's why you pay so much for it. And the Mach 1's fit & finish and quality is not bad by any means. And yes the beamer is a little faster in a straight line, but the aftermarket is insane for mustangs and the Mach 1 can easily be made just as fast or faster and still cost WAY less than the M4. Overall the Mach 1 is a much better bang for the buck and will also be more reliable and cost way less to maintain. Luxury euro cars are the worst cars to own in terms of reliability and maintenance, especially once the warranty expires. But to each their own I guess.
@@kevinbreese5739 not gonna read the whole book but I am 100 percent sure it's nurburgring time is a lot faster than that slow ass lump.
Considering the difference in price between the The beaver and the horse, you really should’ve chosen a GT 500 as a comparison car. At that point they would be the same price and yet it’s still basically below the skin a horse.
Absolutely awesome comparison - thank you for doing this! Both are icons in their own right - and I’d love to own either one 👍🏽
Ford is on a roll these days. Can’t wait to see the Bronco in real life. Hope you guys can compare it to its competitors.
Saw a white one yesterday in Leesburg Georgia. It’s beautiful. I’m currently in the market for a Jeep but I may hold another year or two. It’s that good
yes, but they did one stupid move,, they killed of the fusion..i have a 2014 fusion 2.0 ecoboost engine ( the better spanjsh engine ) se w/lux package and 235/45/19 wheels and tires..ans some othere mods..and i can roast most 3 tpes on the roads with it..hy1 between sasulito and stinson beach.. one was in front of me,, and pulled away..so he wants to play????? so i stuff mine into sports mode.. now only using paddle shift.. and after a few miles.. he gave up and pulled to a turnout.. and started chasing me.. after a few corners,, he started to fall behind....never got above 3rd gear. paddle shift...6 speed auto... my g/f told me when we stopped at stinson beach.. that see saw 2 or 3 orange warning light flikker on and off.. i asked her to show me the location of the orange lights... they were my traction/ stability control and my abs lamps.. was pushing my car pretty hard to make those show up..dont know about the bmw driver..i looked around for the car. after we parked..did not find it
Well don't get your hopes up the Ford Bronco is a mess, just look under the hood and decide for yourself. I was excited but after seeing one for myself, dissapointment is an understatement.
@@wrighterjfly - disappointing in what way? The best looking car that has come out in the last 10 yrs. What’s under the hood that’s a mess?? That Ecoboost engine is great. All I’m hearing is I’m a fanboy of another manufacturer and am hating on Ford and the bronco for no reason.
@@wrighterjfly The actual Bronco or the Bronco Sport? I've only seen the Sport and it's just too much of a Subaru for me.
Two of my favorite cars, I’m going to end up with one of them next year in 2022; it’s looking like Mach 1 Premium with Handling & Elite package, no back seats (TREMEC of course)
You're gonna love it, especially with the Tremec. It's the only way to really enjoy the Mach 1. And the sound of the Coyote.......
I want to swap a t56 in my s550 gt. Wish Ford didn’t use cheap mt-82 for the gt.
@@ZFA1738 if Ford made the TR-3160 at least optional on the regular 5.0 GT I would get a regular GT
I gotta go with the m4, the great driving dynamics accompanied with that glorious v8 of the mustang is tempting but that interior isn’t something I can forgive. The m4 is just a more complete car, checks every box and still offers the 6mt.
Never cared what others said about the beaver front, I don’t mind it. Actually kinda like it.
@@LegendInThaMakin yeah but at $100k for the M4 you can get Audi R8 or Nissan GTR, and a bunch of others I would take over a BMW.
The person or people who design a good looking front bumper for the bmw shall be praised as a hero
Great video, would take the Mustang all day , less money better looking, more fun and better sound
I totally don't mind the grille on the M4. The car looks aggressive and beautiful. It makes me think od the old 328. Back to the roots.
Yea people are just delusional. They said it doesn't work for bmw but they are selling triple the amount of m3s and m4s as their older ones per year
@@G82Watts a lot of buyers overcame initial shock, and put up with it only because engineers did such a great job on it. Also interior feels like 3 gens ahead of old one.
I would take the Mach l over the BMW any day. Looks feel, and that beautiful V8 sound!
As me being a huge oldschool bmw enthusiast, I agree with you!
@@85corolla im an old school BMW enthusiast as well. E9 being my all time favorite. Im currently driving an 09 e88. Lots of mods. Love it!
@@johnnymula2305 Oh nice!, If I could go back in time, e9 would be on my top 5 list to buy. I currently own an e30m3 and a 190e 2.3-16 euro specs. I once had a w124 500e, but regrettably sold it...ugh.
That BMW grill is a nightmare as soon as it’s in view causes a literal shake of my head. Trying to clear my eyes, I guess. Also BMW give us steering feel, please! So the ‘Stang has to be my choice.
It is absolutely hideous. I recently went to my local BMW dealer to keep my wife company while her vehicle was getting serviced. One of the salesmen attempted to get me trade my 2020 Mustang GT for one of their BMW's with that horrible front end design. I told him that not only would I never trade for any of those but they would have to literally give me one of those monstrosities for free and then would still owe me at least a couple of grand for all the pain and suffering from having to look at that design mistake every day. Sheesh.
Well Done.
I am. however, astonished to realize that to buy the M4, you'll have to pay a 67% premium over the Mach 1. Too bad Ford couldn't supply a manual version.
On the flip side, you can park the M4 in a forest and it will gnaw down all the trees...
bmw edsel
67% premium? $50,775 vs $71,800 is 41% ... if you don't want a Infra Red front facing camera and dual perfume injections ... you can just not buy it.
@@goguhu Look at the as tested numbers buddy. 100k ...what that person was talking about VERY clearly
@@raionshishi8290 don’t matter, and I replied to this comment. You cannot take a car fully loaded and compare to a base model and conclude one is way more expensive .. as a conclusion.
A can of Coke attached to a gold bar is 50,000 times more expensive than a can of Pepsi. Sure … it it’s irrelevant if you compare the drinks.
I may be the only person to feel this way but I love the g80/g82 front end. I hated it at first much like I hated the 2018+ mustang front end but like the mustang the bmw has really grown on me, to the point that I much prefer the “beaver” front end over all other cars right now. I currently own a 2020 401a, 6 speed mustang with the performance pack and adaptive suspension and it’s great…. But I would love to have a g80 M3 manual in IOMG!
Since I first heard you say "the beaver teeth", I simply can't look at a BMW and not die laughing! Best definition to a design feature EVER! By the way, thanks for another excellent video, guys!
Glad you enjoyed. And we’re quite proud to hear “Beaver Teeth” anywhere it catches on! Thanks for watching!
@@EverydayDriverwhy are the new m3 and m4 selling triple the amount of cars then the old m3 and m4. Check bmw sales stats. Looks like ur opinion is just that. An opinion
I love the old school tech that the mustang gives. It’s give enough tech to enjoy it but still more mechanical like how sports car should be.
Todd nailed it about the BMW: it's a car made for social media presentation first. BMW marketing has been running amok for years.
Glad that resonated with you. Thanks for watching!
0:50 "Was one of these manufacturers looking at the other one?"
Well... have you seen the 8 Series coupe? BMW's definitely been looking at the Mustang.
yeah still a better car than anything mustang puts out tho
@@noorkashif9107 there is no bmw better than a gt350r.
The Mustang has much more character than the M4. It's my choice here.
As much as I'm a huge muscle car fan, I'd gladly shell out the extra dough for the M4 if it wasn't absolutely, 100% guaranteed to be a maintenance nightmare in no time at all.
What!!!! No Mustang much cooler , 40 grand price difference as well and Mustang looks better and more fun
@@gmain1977 give me the Mustang drivetrain+chassis with the BMW interior
@@gmain1977mustang does not look better lmao. Looks like a mustang. Boring af. The m3 and m4 turn heads
@@G82Wattsinteresting, must be an American perspective. Here in the UK every third car seems to be a BMW, all look the same, nobody notices - but a mustang, a rare beast turns everyone’s heads, like you’ve just seen a Hollywood celebrity.
You guys do a great job. I especially love the boss 302 vs gt350 video
Glad to have you with us and enjoying what we do!
Lmao they put the M4's back at the end next to the Mustang's front
its that ugly ahh front end lol
This channel is my chill out zone.
I think the BMW grill looks much better in person than it does watching it on video, but that is just me
I was really, really wrong about this! That said, I do respect people who don't like it...I get it😇
I agree that in person it's not fully hideous, but it's still not great.
@@Atomb not refuting what you said but let me ask you this...what worse looking, the front of this M4 or the rear of the C8🤔
@@klasseact6663 God. Perfect question. I don't know! I wish the C8 rear was better, but the front of the M4 is so bad that I wonder how it ever went into production. So, I'll go M4.
if the car was black it would remind me of darth vader, but not in a good way.
Absolutely great comparison video, great as always. It's a bit tough for me for compare them mentally as one is $40,000 more than the other (as tested). I'd get the mustang AND a veloster type n with the savings.
Why would you drive the veloster with a Mach 1 on your garage?
Wow! Your production quality and filming locations are absolutely amazing! Can't get over the beaver, and for that price, I'll stick with the Mustang (can almost get 2 for the price of 1 [ugly] M4)
I remember the 6th gen Camaro SS beat the M4 in every category, the road course was the only thing where it was essentially a tie. I believe it was Motor Trend Head 2 Head.
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm just waiting for the Mach 1 handling pack, track tests. Ford seems to be blocking that
Air cooled Porsche pilot from days past. My 912 Targa was sublime. I knew were the tires were at all times, it was light, and the wail of that flat four. And then I found motorcycles. I'm all better now.
All I could think was Beaver teeth after you said that...
60k vs 100k is also a big deal for me. The Mustang needs a manual though.
The accessory light panels pop right out for full airflow just FYI
Nice review of two great cars! The only thing that would have made it better is if you both ended the video crawling into those oversized doors that BMW calls a grill.
Great review, I agree with the judgement on the Beemer's weirdly shaped radiator grille. If I were going to spend $60K on a pony car it would be the GT 350. The automatic on the Mach 1 is sacrilegious.
Great video ! Had a 15 GT pp1 with cloth recaros.. and for $22k usd I’d take that again over either of these cars. I traded the 15 in for a 19 Bullitt that felt heavy af and the leather recaros were horrid. After the engine knock started I traded it in after 4 weeks for a F82 M4 6 speed. Been loving that car for the last 2.5 years and due to covid prices in the used market debated on selling it and picking up a new M4 or a Mach1. Leaning towards the Mach1 with the cloth recaros but they won’t allow the fighter jet grey appearance package on the base with handling package and cloth recaros. To get the fighter jet grey you have to get premium and that only gets leather recaros which feel like a plastic chair in grade school covered with vinyl. So no go there. For the new M4.. just look at the front. So no go there. Couldn’t care less if it was a McLaren 720s under the skin, if it’s that ugly it’s a No. 😢
Yes M4 is just too ugly rn :(
That knocking was very likely nothing to worry about. Too many internet rumors!
@@stratolestele7611 Probably just the normal direct injector noise
The Mach 1 is more compelling for me with its m/t & n/a V8 compared to M4 higher price, a/t & hideous grille Top-notch comparison review
Glad you enjoyed!
@Karol Szymon Wiśniewski I watched this test. Something was wrong with that car running 13s. I’ve hit mid 12s on the street in my 10 speed mustang gt stock (and they can kiss 11s on a prepped surface)
Both are brilliant cars, each with their plusses and minuses. The M4 has more class and a much nicer interior (the mustang's interior has a bit of a cheap look to me). I actually like that front end. It has significantly grown on me and looks very nice in reality. On the other hand, that mustang V8 sound just can't be beat. The mustang also oozes that raw muscle car spirit. It looks like it's going fast, even when parked. If I had to pick one I'd probably pick the M4. If I had enough money I think I would save myself the trouble of choosing and just buy both. Great job, Ford and BMW.
For a 40K extra over the Mustang, I'd expect the interior to be a lot nicer. Nobody seems to be talking about the cost difference here. For 100k one could have the Mach 1 and a nice medium size SUV to drive when the weather sucks or you want to haul the family to the beach for the weekend.
@@scottanthony3426base is 51 for the mach 1 and 72 for the m4 and a better interior and a faster car is worth the 20k imo
Todd's comment about another one's spouse was hilarious and spot on. Even if the video and the cars were not so good, that comment alone would get a thumbs up.
Glad you enjoyed - thank you for watching!
Although the GT350 engine brings it's own unique excitement;It would've been interesting to see how much specialness and fun could've been regained in other areas if the track pack spec+the manual with speed shifting were to be tested.Also, does the the earlier torque delivery of the Mach 1allow you to short shift so you have more fun opportunity to row through the gears on backroads vs GT350? Thx!
The GT350 engines are pure garbage, they don't hold up for what they're designed for😔
@@klasseact6663 Yes I've noticed a number of GT350 owners speaking of reliability issues with the motor over time.
@@patricsteele I have 2 friends that both had those cars and both had to lemon law there vehicles because of this😔
@@klasseact6663 it amazing how the squeaky wheel always get the attention! Absolutely zero problems with the engine, burns zero oil and I take it as a point of pride to beat the snot out of her every single time I drive her! It is too bad that the absolute minority of owners actually "know" this guy with engine problems, lemon by backs, ect. It's like a damn Bigfoot sighting! Bottom line is that it is completely disingenuous to brand a motor as garbage when this motor/transmission combo is what makes this car so damn special. Allow the engine to get to operating temperature, until then, keep the revs low. After that, use the entire RPM range and go full send every chance you can. Don't baby it... drive the damn car and you will always get that smiles per miles we all brag about. 2 bus loads of people complaining about their blown engine experience pales in comparison to the area full of people that can't say enough on how great this car is.
@@curaco678 I am basing my opinion on 2 friends who are experienced track guys know how to take care of the car know how to drive. I agree with you 100% that the engine is what makes the car great and it is far superior to the other products but unfortunately due to the size of the engine the flat plane crank has bad if plain crank has bad vibration problems.
I’m a Mustang guy but that M4 looks amazing (and the M3 is even better), I personally love the new front end, it looks so aggressive.
It’s good to see that I’m not the only one that thinks that front end on the M4 looks amazing! It reminds me of the nostrils of a thoroughbred racing horse
Look up Prior Design, they did a fairly nice looking front bumper for the M4.
But i actually think the M4 look is not that bad.
no, it actually is that bad
Black M4/M3 looks good IMO, black hides the grille.
Stradale Design has come up with a new replacement front bumper for the M3/M4 also.
SPORT PLUS MODE give you aggressive shifting and rev matching.
I am BMW fan, but I would take that Mach 1. Saw it in real, it is gorgeous. And that engine sounds as beautiful. Just great car.
Not to mention, BMW costs some 40K more.I could buy Tesla Model 3 for that money. As my second car. ;-)
9:02 it should only come as a 6 speed. It has auto rev matching, no lift shift and throttle assist so it’s almost impossible to stall it. I’m watching reviews until spring as there’s now salt on the roads and mine won’t see the road until April or so.
I'd be happy as heck with this Mach 1! Yes, it does lack some of the amenities of the M4 but is 40K less. No, I wouldn't be settling, I'd be reliving my youth when I had a '72 Mach 1.
Good luck getting one, the ordering process is brutal for the Mach 1
2:09 if you pop out some rivets from the radiator cover you pop it off and then pop out the left side “fog” light cover it is an air intake. It’s basically a factory ram air giving you a few extra horsepower.
To many mustangs on the road, they don’t have that special feeling or appeal in my opinion.
Really enjoyable episode, guys! Hopefully you'll get the issues with Amazon sorted out so we can buy the entire season (since I no longer have a cable or satellite subscription to watch these when they first air).
It's funny, I know exactly what Todd is saying. I have a Mustang GT with suspension from the GT350R and Steeda. I drove the Giulia Quad on mountain roads for a day. It was faster on a technical road as it stuck like glue and turn in was super quick, it felt like there was computer magic under me. However, it didn't have the mechanical analog feel of my car with its manual, torsen diff, spherical bearings and v8 crackling away. Driving my car fast is more work but a lot of involving, fun and dangerous. Lol
Where'd ye upload the M4 Generations video? - I can't find it.. 🤔😀
I get the comparison based on size and performance, but realistically, someone shopping for a M4 is not going to be cross shopping a Mustang Mach 1.
Great segment, gentlemen, I choose the Mustang too….that sound, needs a 6 speed manual and the seats from the BMW.
First time I saw the M4 front end I laughed and puked a little at the same time. Not sure when but over time and the more I saw it, the cooler it looked to me. It's pretty in your face but it has some nice lines. I think on a darker colored car it would be pretty nice. Looks modern at least.
I bought my first mustang GT at 15 years old. Watched in horror back in 94 as the Fox body and 5.0 got replaced with a sohc 4.6….Then I saw a glimmer of hope with the 03-04 “terminator” cobra, was excited in 2011 about the coyote 5.0L and am thrilled at where the Mustangs are now. Well done Ford!
"Drift Coach"...lol.
I'll stick with my FJ Gray Mach 1 Handling Pack 6 spd, thank you very much :)
I thought those front "fog lights" could be removed, preferably when you go to the track?
I’m a bit of a BMW fan boy, but yeah the Mach 1…. Best Mustang since 1969.
Outdoor Layne the Mach 1 is also a stick. They just couldn’t get one for the review, because that’s what everyone is buying.
@@layne4376 idk man voodoo engine seems almost unreliable with the timing chain issues that can grenade the entire engine.
Were the aerial shots filmed at 24fps? because the judder is insane...
Let me sum this up for you...I own both a mach 1 and a 2022 m3 comp..... night and day! Not just a 1 day test drive. Mustang sounds great, that's where it ends. No comparison in any way shape or form. If you can afford to buy an m3, don't even bother with the mach.
Unless you like a better looking car and 6 spd
interior quality of bmw >>>>
M3 needs an aftermarket front bumper that can remove the bottom grilles?
I am a BMW fan. I'm also a Mustang fan. A year ago I opted for the mustang over the BMW based on a lot of the points you both bring up. Instead of going Shelby though I chose a GT and am modifying it to my wants and needs. Plus that way I save on insurance too. It was more important to me to take that money and spend it wisely that too pay for the Shelby name and an insurance hike. And boy is it fun to drive!
The black plates on the grill are removable for air intake on track days.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that M4 front end rocks, looks great!
Third pedal? That's the main draw of the Mach 1 over the GT. The six-speed Tremec is available in the Mach 1.
I actually love the Kidney XL grills.
Even I know people will think they are ugly.
Maybe they will age well
Maybe I can look forward to a super cheap used one :)
Lexus RCF may be another alternative. I'd prefer the BMW in the M3 sedan format myself as a family man.
North American buyers have more options with the Cadillac Blackwings for manual transmissions. Great content guys.
Ultimately, a Kia Stinger GT was my personal choice for what my budget would allow.
the problem is nobody cares about Lexus
I’ll take the Mach 1 over the BMW. The BMW is only for status.
Status? The m4 is the better perfromance car in every way imaginable when it comes to power and handling. Has actual luxury interior and better tech.
Cause your American lol
Pretty sure these are cross-shopped about as much as original Mustang was with 2002 tii. What are the track times for new models?
"derivative" sounds kinda unfair considering that the S58 only shares 10% of it's components with the B58. It's a race engine. It has more in common with the engine in the new M4 GT3 than the engine in a Supra haha
Things M fans tell themselves to feel better
@@n9athan I'm an Audi guy but this engine is just so fucking good.
Really the only differences at the engine are using two throttle valves, a direct intercooler and dry sump lubrication to position the engine lower in the race car.
The block, rods and pistons, exhaust manifold, turbos, crankcase, cylinder head with all the inner workings and so on... all stock. When they build a M4 GT3 they take the engine from the regular production lines, add a few different parts to it and voilà: your engine is ready to race.
I notice you talk a lot about the suspension. How good is it without the magnaride? Is the Mach 1 worth £10,000 extra over the GT?
I have the Magnaride in my 2018 Camaro 2SS Hot Wheels Edition and it is definitely a game changer for engagement much like having a manual can be.
The day I bought the car I also test drove a manual 2020 2SS Camaro without the magnaride and even though that was manual it felt less engaging than my Hot Wheels.
Hope this helps 🙏
I'd say it's worth it for the tremec vs getrag in the stock mustang. You can option the magneride on the stock gt but only the mach 1 has the tremec option.
I kinda like the front end on the M4.
I’d rather have the Mustang though.
Yeah I never thought I'd say this, but the goofy grille on the M4 is growing on me. I actually like it. Lol 😅
2:10 the left one is an air intake. It takes about 5 minutes to pop it out and it’s a direct path to the air box.
40K difference in price? Buy the Mustang, take 20K and supercharge and get 800-1000 reliable horsepower.
And fuel saving would be nice superchargers drink it
One small thing missing from the equation when comparing March 1 to GT350 is that GT350 is -- as hyped the engine is -- notorious for engine problems. I like the irony getting a car FOR the engine and then not being able to DRIVE it due to failure of said engine. March 1 might cost "as much", but we know the engine is dependable. The conclusion is: GT350 wasn't sorted properly, and that's why it cost what it did. If they'd sort it out, it'd have been more money. So March 1 is priced appropriately.
Most likely the GT350 would have been more reliable if the displacement was 4.0 instead of 5.0. Overall it was a good engine, but too many took the GT350 and tried to supercharge/turbo them.
Agree. I would never own an GT350 BECAUSE of the engine and its lack of reliability and cost to maintain. The weakness of the Mustang GT is the 6-speed. The Mach 1 fixes that. I think the Mach 1 is the best Mustang. I would take it over a GT350 because of reliability and I would take it over the GT500 because of the GT500's big, gaping mouth. The GT500 isn't as ugly as the BMW M4 in the front, but Ford really ruined the look.
The build quality and engineering on the bmw is above and beyond the mustang. Any 15 year old Ford has the clear coat peeling off,crap paint jobs. I am a Ford F-150 owner
For 40k, I think I could get a paint job and make the car much faster than the Beamer
Love the show... Opening credits... You dont need that. We know who y'all are.
You’d be surprised… we always are… there are comments on every video that say “first thing I’ve ever seen from you guys…”. Lots of people out there that don’t seem to know who we are or the range of what we do. Thank you very much for knowing and being with us!
"I dont think there is a person or thing out there that hides its weight better then this car " . Me wearing black all the time : "Am i a joke to you ??"
Great video, but which one feels/is faster in a straight line?
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Great video guys! I am in the minority in that I like the looks of the new M4. The old grille looks too small and very dated now, especially when Audis and Mercedes have large grilles as well. I’m surprised that neither of you really harped on how bad the automatic transmission is in the BMW when compared to the previous dual clutch manual transmissions. So much less racy of an experience, I like the hard shifting of dual clutch manual transmissions.
May I recommend a Jaguar F Type vs LC500 video?
Let’s go Brandon.
Let's go
Getting old....
@@MikeKonkle it's going to get A LOT worse than this
@@MikeKonkle Well you ain't heard nothing yet! Wait 'till they chant it at the Super Bowl! hahahaha
You are right that the Mustang isn't a car that one buys for fuel economy but I have to say, I drove a 2016 GT convertible with MT for four years and was able to make several multi day road trips with it and I have to say, I was very pleased with the fuel economy I got out of that car. It was EPA'd at 25 mpg highway but I averaged between 27 and 27.5 mpg on the road. Not bad at all for a V8 powered car.
Not everyone wants a manual, I prefer that 10 speed, its faster and i dont have to shift
I never clicked on anything so fast!
Guys, 40 grand difference in price and that makes the Mustang the winner by a county mile. Yes it is not as good as the M4 but for what Ford produces at that price you've got to declare the Ford as the winner.
That makes it better value. Not the winner. Use a dictionary and understand the meaning of words. Winning is when you beat it in majority of the categories. And these American cars have shitty quality n worse reliability them even the Germans. I'm not even talking about the expensive ford's but even the cheap ones. But for VALUE yes the Mustang is hard to beat. If the BMW is the latest iPhone then the mustang is a redmi phone
@@vise5224 bmw easily beat the mach on value with the 540i
@@vise5224 Ford could have - easily - built a BMW beater but chose to stick to a price point to appeal to the wider cross section of buyer.. It is a winner. It costs BMW so much to produce a car which Ford could match with a much lower price. Shit quality may be what your county produces. Most cop cars are Ford. If they were unreliable then they would not have been purchased.
I confused by the "because it's a turbo it has power all the time..." so no turbo lag and more available power down low than a V-8?
Sooooo what are you confused about? A turbo motor will always have more power and tq and available sooner over any NA motor
I'll take the Mustang. I cannot stand that front grill design of the M4.
The S550's are awesome. Love my ecoboost. Mustang is the best HP for the money and they make great daily drivers.
Lol my 15 Camaro 1le weighs 4,400lbs and hides pretty good amazing what these engineer's can do with these lead bricks
Where in the world did you get that number? 2015 Camaro SS 1LE weighs 3,884 lbs.
@@sliknik1025 haha the scale it was weighed on bud....full weight full tank of gas
Car&Driver statistic for 2017 SS 1LE Curb weight: 3747 lb let’s assume that’s without fuel. 3747 + (20x6.2) = #3871. Unless you weigh 529 lbs the scale you used was inaccurate.
@@sink61 2017 is a 6th gen I own a 5th
@@mikewozawski1634 that's gotta be off. The GT500 and even Hellcat are around that weight.
You did this comparo with a mustang automatic?