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Hey, so I am one of these Discord user who reached 42+mm³/s with PETG with this new hotend. Before the last firmware update when the temperature runaway was still 3minutes to kick in, it was printing fine and could even reached 48mm³/s but since the last updat the thermal runaway errock kicks in after like 3sec of anormal temperature variation, 12:00 that's why you're having these errors and I do too and many others also with this new hotend and the last update. I've reached the Bambu support but they say the users can not adjust the thermal error time or the PID settings, so we're doomed to errors in printing because of Bambu Lab closing more and more their firmware... Such a shame
Yeah, I apologize… the video became too long and we had to cut it into two. I don’t know how it got so long. Probably because I wanted to explain why it’s such a big deal that these parts exist… Hope you’ll like next weeks more as I review 3 parts in it.
this video was 20 minutes long and could of been 3, my god that was a lot of fluff, your title makes me think you tested every knockoff and you were going to say which ones were good or bad.. but you pretended all of them were just a big bowl of salad and you said maybe buy the salad. but never talked about the individual ingredients..
If you need any other video ideas here are a few. Noctua fan upgrades for quieter running. (needs wire splicing) Tons of build plate types but your intro showed you are already doing that. Led light upgrades or light strips above the print area. Showdown between interface barriers. Like the old style glue stick bambu lab gel glue, nano polymer, whambam, hair spray etc. Something I personally like to do is use a refracting grating sheet on the build service to add a rainbow chromatic color to the bottom of my prints. There is now a printable AMS upgrade called hydra that is bring worked on that can take different spool types. Hydra AMS - Enhanced Bambu Lab by humebeam Keep up the great work.
@@8bits955 claiming that noctua fans are never a good idea is just as foolish as claiming that they're always a good idea. As any engineer knows, the real answer is: it depends
I almost feel like bambulab designed this specifically so you didn't have to tinker lol. And any sort of upgrade plans they already have in mind. I love tinkering and upgrading things. But man when its comes to 3d printers its like a nightmare where I could spend hours if not days on something only to yield meager results and could have just left it alone. 😂
This is true, but at the same time, it's very common to switch nozzle size. I think the anti-tinker motive would lead to them making it easier to replace nozzle. Other than that though they seem designed in a way where they don't need constant maintenance (unlike my damn ender 3's).
There are people who just want to print, and people who want to tinker. People who just want to print tend to print more, while tinkers tend to tinker more. My feeling, and I have shops including a number of machine tools, is that most people just want to print. I can say that it takes a lot of work to use open equipment. I made my own circuit boards and power supply for my first computer in 1975. But why would I want to go through anything like that today?
@@melgross I would think people would buy a 3d printer to 3d print. If they want to "tinker" then why buy that lol. Those people should build a voron or something
@@waynefilkins8394 well, that’s what I’m saying. But there are people out there who believe that open source is everything. That every product must have open source. It’s a need for them. So take an excellent printer like the Bamboo, and they’re not happy because it’s not open source. They believe that they need to change something because proprietary devices simply can’t be that good, and they think they’re being controlled by these companies anyway.
@@melgross Open source gives people reassurance their machine won't slowly become trash if the company that make it doesn't... make it, and that problems can be addressed by the community if the manufacturer cannot/will not address them. It seems that in this case, at least right now, Bambu is doing a pretty good job of making improvements and offering reasonably priced replacement parts and service. If that continues, the battle for open source is proportionally less important, but the potential for things to go south always exists.
Great vid !! I espacially appreciate what you said about bypassing patents and locked technology. I believe that's where the community should be headed
I bought an Ender 3 and Ender 5 plus to play with and upgrade and to learn how to 3d print. I bought the Bambu XC1 to print fast without the headaches. It does what I want without any mods. I won't be putting in non Bambu parts simply because this is a system machine with matched components to work in a synergistic environment. A clone may look the same and maybe of good quality but there is a reason its cheaper. I'll stick with the Bambu store for consumables and spare parts.
One thing to concider is the layer adheasion. CNC Kitchen noticed, that his faster printed parts had way less strength. I ordered the Hotend to use the CHT nozzle for all the parts I want to be strong, but still fast printed.
Great video! Glad you liked my flow rate tower 😁 I recently picked up the hotened and going to test it out. The main reason I got it is to run a 0.25 nozzle I find the 0.2 too small and clogs too often.
The one thing I have seen far too (increasingly) often is "send the whole thing back in for warranty work". Hard NO on that. If I can get the parts I need from the aftermarket in half the time with low shipping costs and at the same quality there is NO WAY I'm waiting the time it will take to ship the whole kit back to bambu, wait for them to fix it and then ship it back to me. I would expect them to ship one out to me the minute I file a warranty claim and only once the new one shows up would I then ship the old one back at THEIR expense. That's how these warranty's should work. A perfect example was a K&N air filter I got in 2009. In 2015 I noticed a small issue with it and sent them an email. This was at 1pm on a Tuesday. Within 15 minutes they had responded and asked for a picture of the numbers printed on it (for part identification and for my mailing address for where they should send the replacement. A brand new, never used replacement was at my door at 11:30AM the next day. They are in the US and I'm in Canada, something like 3000 miles away from me. If a company can do that for a $100 air filter I d*mned well expect at least the same for a $1500 printer. If they can't do at least that much then I expect them to rush the replacement parts out to me in the same manner and at their expense. Too many people have been conditioned to accept sub-par warranty service for too long and it's this sort of nonsense that really drives the aftermarket to come up with solutions for the end user. All because the OEMs just won't do it themselves.
Worried about this myself as in my country it costs hundreds of dollars to ship a whole machine back. Hoping this isnt the case as i really need a break to start my buisness.
This was a great video. Very intertaning and informative. I especially like the "I'm a Genny 🐖 pig attitude.". You are a whole lot of fun to watch. I had to see this video to the end. Thanks for the heads up.👍⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Just my humble opinion but... if you want to upgrade, tinker, mess with, speed up, etc., your printer, then build a Voron, RatRig, or any other DYI printer. Personally, I think Bambu was going after the "plug & play" market. I won't be messing with my P1P/AMS unless it requires parts to be replaced, and then I will buy those parts from Bambu. They have kept their part prices extremely reasonable. Heck, their whole hot end assembly is less expensive than some nozzles LOL. I believe Bambu will be around for the long haul, and I think we've only just seen the tip of the iceberg with what is coming from them.
I'm just buying the complete nozzles from Bambu, once you do that you have two screws and three wire connections and the nozzle is swapped out. I'm thinking the next iteration of the X1 is going to have the A1 nozzle swap ability built in. I miss that one clip nozzle swap ease of use.
So, only in 9 months, prices dropped down to 11-15$ per complete hot end without fan. And nozzles are within 1.5-3$ depending on copper/ hardened steel and cht. Already correct sizes etc. So for a price of 1 on bambu, you can get all the range from 0.2 to 0.8 with hotend and in both materials with cht inserts.
Thanks... definitely buying the whole hotend assemblies. Bought the bambu to have a printer "ready to go don't care about settings,aint nobody got time for that".
My issue is they take a long time to swap. Much more than just a nozzle. 2 screws, then unroute the cables, then fiddle the connectors and hope you don’t break the pins… (which I’ve done). It’s a hassle.
If the V6 nozzle is to long, id the MK8 to short? its the same threads to should fit, or the heat block should be able to be made to fit with it perfect?
From a company standpoint, customer support is expensive and time consuming, So the more you limit the customer from fidgeting around, the less you have customer induced errors flooding your customer support. One example is the Bambu hot end. How many newbies "clog" customer support after the filament exploded out of the nozzle because the nozzle change by the customer was not installed or torqued correctly or extruding issues because the nozzle was not tuned properly?
Thanks! Thought you guys would get a kick out of it, and wanted to give you a laugh because I felt terrible that I promised EVERY knockoff and then spent the whole time talking about nozzles and hot ends.
I need a smooth plate. They are either not in stock or expensive as hell in bambu store. I still can't comprehend why a smooth plate is not included. I can't print any lettered panels face down!
I think part of the allure of the Bambu ecosystem is reliability. There are a lot of failures in Reddit forums from improperly tightened nozzles. Possibly Bambu safeguarding the brand against poor reviews due to nozzle seat?
If you have doubts if open source matters, ask Davinci XYZ users. Company goes out of business, printer won't accept 3rd party filament, you have a massive doorstop.
I have gone through two of these Aliexpress special upgrades. The first hotend got clogged to the point that I had to throw the whole thing away. the second one suddenly started printing the first level test with one strip that is in the back, off the plate. it also started having adhesion issues and layer shifting. I took out the hotend and found that it had bend, maybe because of the repeated banging against the nozzle wipe. I have since installed a Bambu Lab OEM hotend. it is just not worth it when i have to redo a 6 day print three times.
the thing with closed garden and the 3d printer economy is, a p1 Series Printer is one Board change away to become a frankensein "voron". X1 may be harder couse of the lidar but not impossible.
This title is so misleading. "every" knockoff. You're only talking about hot-end. I like your content a lot, and I think it's just bad idea imo. 20 minute video. I was on like 17-18 minutes in and then I've checked time stamps, and was very disappointed.
Yeah. That’s fair. As I mentioned, we got to 5pm yesterday and realized we would never make it in time, so we had to break this one up. Sorry about that.
Patents take at least two years to be issued. That's why many products have the words "patent pending" on it. Just a warning to someone who might want to copy a product and bring it to market. The problem is that in our fast moving tech scene, many copiers can produce the product and sell a bunch, then go out of business before the IP owner can do anything about it.
Need silicon sock without it nozzle gets cool by part cooling fan , on my ender Print er without sock it was giving thermal runway error after little bit printing and after using silicon sock I never got thermal runway error
Regarding open-source solutions built after proprietary tools and professional work: - Linux is an open-source product which has a design inspired by a proprietary kernel, and arguably, it's more professional than any proprietary/non-proprietary OS kernel ever built.
15:30 you still have 2 advantages. You can swap out nozzles easily / quickly (to change sizes) and you can still use high-flow nozzles that you otherwise can't use with Bambu printers. For me this works out perfectly because I'm about done with my Ender printers and plan to only run Bambu from now on :)
If someone is willing to risk to be sued by patent infrigiment and purchase terms infrigiment (reverse engineering).... Patent "A mechanism and 3D printing system that reloads for 3D printer" - CN114474738A. These is only one of the patents that covers the AMS and its buffer.
Contrary to popular belief, intellectual property protections are not intended to shield ideas themselves. Copyrights safeguard the expression of ideas, while patents protect inventions themselves. In simplified terms, you cannot patent an idea; you need a tangible product that functions as described in the patent application. Patenting a 3D printer component, such as a nozzle, would be extremely difficult unless it represents a completely novel design with an unprecedented mechanism. To clarify, Bambu Labs likely holds no patents on individual printer components. They might possess a design patent for the printer itself, preventing others from replicating it identically, but that's the extent of their protection. On the other hand, they might be the intellectual property holders of the firmware they use. I'm unable to confirm this without further investigation.
practically you do not even to buy the hotends with fan included, because there is a mod that allows to permanently mount the fan separated from the hotend, making the hotend quick changeable without hassle.
I new this kind of stuff would be coming...I have been silently laughing at the people who have been denying themselves the pleasure of a Bambu printer because they can "only get parts from Bambu". And you are right, its only a matter of time before every part can be found just as good or better from aftermarket. That being said, unless it provides a significant advantage, I am going to buy from Bambu even if it costs a little more. That way i can support the development of even better printers.
@@LilApe Non serviceable for the moment. Of course Bambu would focus on selling the parts that are most likely to need replacement. In Time, there will be replacements for more and more but for now, I suspect they need nearly all the parts they produce just to keep up with sales. The Control boards, Heated Bed, and even the motion system will all be repairable given time. And in the mean time, I am absolutely loving my Bambu printer, how fast, accurate, and reliable it is. I have had so few issues with it compared to anything else I have purchased including several different variations of ender 3 printers from Creality. Plus, Lets say i am wrong and the entire system is designed to be tossed out like a cheap HP inkjet printer. By the time the machine reaches that point of wear it will certainly have paid for itself several times over, assuming you operate it for a business such as i do.
As a patent holder, I'm going to take a wild guess here. Bambu has probably realized the futility of filing a design patent. The only patent worth having is a utility patent and that requires some type of functional uniqueness that can't be anticipated as a natural evolution of an existing patent... If something does a task pretty much the same way as an existing patent, just better, a design patent would probably be the best that could be hoped for, and those aren't worth the filing costs. There really isn't anything about a 3D printer or the parts that it's built from, that's uniquely innovative... That was the entire point of how home 3D printers became a thing. They could be built out of off-the-shelf hardware with public collaboration. Kudos to Bambu for saving their money and leaving third party add-ons open because, open or not, there really isn't a cost effective way to stop aftermarket parts. Much better for the goodwill of makers and hardware hackers too, and we, are the target market.
Most parts are patented. Bambu Labs 3D printers patent can be found searching the patents owned by Shenzhen Tuozhu Technology Ltd. That company name can be found in the terms that a customer is obliged to agrre with the purchase if one of their printers.
I'm thinking of getting this to use something like tungsten carbide or diamondback nozzles. If I'm not using CHT style nozzles, that should avoid the stringing issues, right? And the tungsten carbide and diamondback nozzles are still better thermal conductors than regular or hardened steel.
Great video! Keep up the fantastic content. I am hoping that BambuLab is paying attention and plans to come out with some new high flow nozzle/hotend assemblies in the near future...
bambu's supposed walled garden is a filament cutter after the direct extruder motor, that's it, ram it rewind it push the new filament. Prusa's filament MMU thing sort of does the same just dumber, improving a bambu printer involves moving the filament mux closer to the head.
Looks like they now have a v2 of the aliexpress hotend so you can swap cht style nozzles that is the same size as the bambu labs stock hotend - so none of the problems outlined in this video. Then easier to just swap nozzles going forward
I'm sorry, but you are way off on this one, and you incorrectly steer people away from doing this upgrade. It is an excellent upgrade and definitely worth doing for anyone who wants to be able to use a CHT nozzle with their Bambu X1. For starters, it takes about 30 seconds to shorten the filament tube by 1.9mm. Measure it out, mark it with some painter's tape or sharpie, vice it up, and grab the Dremel. Leave some filament in the tube when you do it to help it not deform; deburr it and clean it out with some canned or pressurized air from the nozzle opening. This works 100%, with 0 error codes, no wiper damage, and no need to alter every single individual nozzle. The heating issue you are experiencing has nothing to do with the three possibilities you stated; it is happening because you put thermal paste between the filament tube and the heatsink, thereby causing the ceramic heater to be overpowered by the hot end fan. There should be no thermal paste between the filament tube and the heatsink. You only need thermal paste directly on the thermistor and ceramic heater.
Thank you for the reply. You’re completely right, I didn’t think about the thermal paste and heat sink issue… I’ll take it apart and fix it. And wow. Yeah. I didn’t think about just shortening the tube!!! That’s what happens when you’re too busy recording B-Roll to read the discord group!! I think I’m gonna pin your comment when I get to a computer. Seriously, thanks for taking the time.
Did you ever try the new bimetal cht version and test flow rates? Prices have also dropped precipitously. You can find the hardened ones fro around $5.00 CAD
99.9% of what we buy is closed. That’s the way it works. Here, in the USA, it’s legal to makes something to interface with a proprietary, patented device. So there’s nothing illegal there as said, as long as there are some differences. So that’s really not a problem. Let’s get something straight. You can’t patent an idea. That’s absolute. You have to patent the realization of an idea in an actual product. It can be a process patent, which is used for anything involving a chemical process. It can be a design patent, which covers the way something is built and the way it looks. Or a trade dress patent, which covers the color, design, logo, etc. there are other types of patents. And, you can take a patent from someone, improve upon it to add functions the original patent doesn’t cover - and patent that. So it’s complex. A problem with open source is that usually the license forces companies to publish any code they may had added to it, or changed, that took a lot of time and money to come up with. Therefore, they won’t use it. It’s understandable.
Great video! Hey since you have both a voron and a Bambu printer, a good suggestion for a video would be comparing velocity vs quality between both of them, keep the videos coming, the consistency and quality are top notch!
End of the line: *The Bambu Lab printers are not a great option if you don't want to use them the only way Bambu Lab itself thought of!* The whole idea of this machine is a none tinkering "it just works" machine. Which for me is questionable in the first place because somehow eventually there will be a problem ... also with Bambu Lab machines. But if all this tinkering is required to get close to a printer you want - than this is probably not the right machine for you! An Ender 5 S1 with that Sonic Pad or at the end a Voron 2.4 would maybe be a better option for more flexibility. Or the upcoming Creality K1. Maybe.
Bambu also said that they will not support Klipper for "security reasons", which I think is a lie. After all it would be MY printer and if I wan't to be unsafe that is my choice.
My man... this thermal paste mess have me a stroke😅 I'm a veteran PC builder and I couldn't watch it without tears. If you got just a tony blob of thermal past on your hand - clean it immediately. It's a nasty and messy substance.
Sorry who did I present as potential criminals….? I think I made it quite clear that these products are significantly changed and so I don’t think they infringe on IP
@@thenextlayer You put a 2 minute segment about IP infringement into a video that is supposed to be about 3D printer upgrades. This and calling the parts "knockoffs" gives of the impression that there is something shady going on. If not legally then at least ethically. To your credit you did say that you thought that no actual patents were infringed. However, I do not understand why manufacturers of aftermarket parts have to be presented in this negative context to begin with.
Honestly, I don't care if you have a closed Ecosystem. Aslong as it isn't locked on the Software side (PartID or smth like that) you can always just replace everything.
I'm very curious about trying to use an aftermarket nozzle that is diamond for printing with carbon fiber. I haven't yet made the purchase of a Bambu lab printer but I'm very close and interested. Any thoughts on this?
After you are done with your UPGRADES. Can you make a beautiful print that is better looking than what you could get OUT OF THE BOX untouched x1 carbon?? That would be great. It seems the quality in prints dropped after the upgrade!
@@bomas_ulz well, it seems like there’s a lot of stuff there and with a hotend and nozzle for €13 you can’t actually call that expensive. It’s more than there’s available for my V409. Maybe they offer the cables if you contact customer support? They responded to me within a day.
@@bomas_ulz seems like you were quite unlucky. I’m actually selling my v400 after so many issues and I heard from friends how amazing the X1C is, so I ordered that one. Hopefully your issues will get resolved
If one day Bambu Labs will sue someone for patent infrigiment will be not for sure, but, for example in U.S.A.. They have several patents on their printers. To know the ones already public search the ones submited by Shenzhen Tuozhu Technology ltd.
I think Bambu is deliberately not patenting the hotend to allow aftermarket improvements to be developed that could be merged into mainstream, basically free R&D for them as long as aftermarket developers don’t close source and patent them
Would be nigh on impossible for them to patent their hotend design as its not really new, plus any designs have either been patented before or there is prior art.
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Hey, so I am one of these Discord user who reached 42+mm³/s with PETG with this new hotend.
Before the last firmware update when the temperature runaway was still 3minutes to kick in, it was printing fine and could even reached 48mm³/s but since the last updat the thermal runaway errock kicks in after like 3sec of anormal temperature variation, 12:00 that's why you're having these errors and I do too and many others also with this new hotend and the last update. I've reached the Bambu support but they say the users can not adjust the thermal error time or the PID settings, so we're doomed to errors in printing because of Bambu Lab closing more and more their firmware... Such a shame
Kind of a letdown of a video, Ton of talking and a SINGLE part review..
In depth reviews including caveat deep dives are very valuable and there are other 3rd party "upgrades" that can be made.
Yeah, I apologize… the video became too long and we had to cut it into two. I don’t know how it got so long. Probably because I wanted to explain why it’s such a big deal that these parts exist…
Hope you’ll like next weeks more as I review 3 parts in it.
@@thenextlayer maybe don't leave the video title as 'I reviewed every knockoff' if you review 1?
Thanks for saving my time
Nozzles themselves and extenders are a very big topic by themselves. It’s worth it’s own video. And it gives an idea of what’s involved with any part.
this video was 20 minutes long and could of been 3, my god that was a lot of fluff, your title makes me think you tested every knockoff and you were going to say which ones were good or bad.. but you pretended all of them were just a big bowl of salad and you said maybe buy the salad. but never talked about the individual ingredients..
If you need any other video ideas here are a few.
Noctua fan upgrades for quieter running. (needs wire splicing)
Tons of build plate types but your intro showed you are already doing that.
Led light upgrades or light strips above the print area.
Showdown between interface barriers. Like the old style glue stick bambu lab gel glue, nano polymer, whambam, hair spray etc.
Something I personally like to do is use a refracting grating sheet on the build service to add a rainbow chromatic color to the bottom of my prints.
There is now a printable AMS upgrade called hydra that is bring worked on that can take different spool types.
Hydra AMS - Enhanced Bambu Lab by humebeam
Keep up the great work.
Tbh, is they're any point to noctuas when the machine is so loud anyway?
The Hydra is a really really nice project!
The refracting sheet idea sounds really interesting, you should show it in your next time lapse video
@@8bits955 claiming that noctua fans are never a good idea is just as foolish as claiming that they're always a good idea. As any engineer knows, the real answer is: it depends
Thanks! Some of this is covered in the next video!
I almost feel like bambulab designed this specifically so you didn't have to tinker lol. And any sort of upgrade plans they already have in mind. I love tinkering and upgrading things. But man when its comes to 3d printers its like a nightmare where I could spend hours if not days on something only to yield meager results and could have just left it alone. 😂
This is true, but at the same time, it's very common to switch nozzle size. I think the anti-tinker motive would lead to them making it easier to replace nozzle. Other than that though they seem designed in a way where they don't need constant maintenance (unlike my damn ender 3's).
There are people who just want to print, and people who want to tinker. People who just want to print tend to print more, while tinkers tend to tinker more. My feeling, and I have shops including a number of machine tools, is that most people just want to print. I can say that it takes a lot of work to use open equipment. I made my own circuit boards and power supply for my first computer in 1975. But why would I want to go through anything like that today?
@@melgross I would think people would buy a 3d printer to 3d print. If they want to "tinker" then why buy that lol. Those people should build a voron or something
@@waynefilkins8394 well, that’s what I’m saying. But there are people out there who believe that open source is everything. That every product must have open source. It’s a need for them. So take an excellent printer like the Bamboo, and they’re not happy because it’s not open source. They believe that they need to change something because proprietary devices simply can’t be that good, and they think they’re being controlled by these companies anyway.
@@melgross Open source gives people reassurance their machine won't slowly become trash if the company that make it doesn't... make it, and that problems can be addressed by the community if the manufacturer cannot/will not address them.
It seems that in this case, at least right now, Bambu is doing a pretty good job of making improvements and offering reasonably priced replacement parts and service. If that continues, the battle for open source is proportionally less important, but the potential for things to go south always exists.
Great vid !! I espacially appreciate what you said about bypassing patents and locked technology. I believe that's where the community should be headed
Thanks for the kind words
Definitely one of the coolest 3D print channels out there. The community thanks you for your knowledge and entertainment!
Wow, thanks!
Kinda have to pause and laugh at the idea that a Chinese company would be upset about patent infringement...
I bought an Ender 3 and Ender 5 plus to play with and upgrade and to learn how to 3d print. I bought the Bambu XC1 to print fast without the headaches. It does what I want without any mods. I won't be putting in non Bambu parts simply because this is a system machine with matched components to work in a synergistic environment. A clone may look the same and maybe of good quality but there is a reason its cheaper. I'll stick with the Bambu store for consumables and spare parts.
One thing to concider is the layer adheasion. CNC Kitchen noticed, that his faster printed parts had way less strength. I ordered the Hotend to use the CHT nozzle for all the parts I want to be strong, but still fast printed.
Hi, Can you tell me if it's worth it or not ?
Great video! Glad you liked my flow rate tower 😁 I recently picked up the hotened and going to test it out. The main reason I got it is to run a 0.25 nozzle I find the 0.2 too small and clogs too often.
These upgrades are super cool. I'll probably never do them since I'm not interested in tinkering, but it's still fun to watch!
Thanks! More coming THursday!
The one thing I have seen far too (increasingly) often is "send the whole thing back in for warranty work". Hard NO on that. If I can get the parts I need from the aftermarket in half the time with low shipping costs and at the same quality there is NO WAY I'm waiting the time it will take to ship the whole kit back to bambu, wait for them to fix it and then ship it back to me. I would expect them to ship one out to me the minute I file a warranty claim and only once the new one shows up would I then ship the old one back at THEIR expense. That's how these warranty's should work. A perfect example was a K&N air filter I got in 2009. In 2015 I noticed a small issue with it and sent them an email. This was at 1pm on a Tuesday. Within 15 minutes they had responded and asked for a picture of the numbers printed on it (for part identification and for my mailing address for where they should send the replacement. A brand new, never used replacement was at my door at 11:30AM the next day. They are in the US and I'm in Canada, something like 3000 miles away from me. If a company can do that for a $100 air filter I d*mned well expect at least the same for a $1500 printer. If they can't do at least that much then I expect them to rush the replacement parts out to me in the same manner and at their expense. Too many people have been conditioned to accept sub-par warranty service for too long and it's this sort of nonsense that really drives the aftermarket to come up with solutions for the end user. All because the OEMs just won't do it themselves.
Sit tight. Thursday I cover the whole idea of them repairing, vs. us upgrading on our own.
Worried about this myself as in my country it costs hundreds of dollars to ship a whole machine back. Hoping this isnt the case as i really need a break to start my buisness.
This was a great video. Very intertaning and informative. I especially like the "I'm a Genny 🐖 pig attitude.". You are a whole lot of fun to watch. I had to see this video to the end. Thanks for the heads up.👍⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Thanks so much for the kind words, they're super encouraging!
Hey! That is my V6 Mini conversion! I love it, thanks for showing that.
The Endcard is AWESOME 😂 love your Videos 👌👌👌
Just my humble opinion but... if you want to upgrade, tinker, mess with, speed up, etc., your printer, then build a Voron, RatRig, or any other DYI printer. Personally, I think Bambu was going after the "plug & play" market. I won't be messing with my P1P/AMS unless it requires parts to be replaced, and then I will buy those parts from Bambu. They have kept their part prices extremely reasonable. Heck, their whole hot end assembly is less expensive than some nozzles LOL. I believe Bambu will be around for the long haul, and I think we've only just seen the tip of the iceberg with what is coming from them.
Yep. I built a Voron 2.4... different ball game. I should've left this thing completely stock, honestly.
Video begins at 08:10
I'm just buying the complete nozzles from Bambu, once you do that you have two screws and three wire connections and the nozzle is swapped out. I'm thinking the next iteration of the X1 is going to have the A1 nozzle swap ability built in. I miss that one clip nozzle swap ease of use.
Just having options is encouraging, so if Bamboo ever goes under, there will still be parts available.
Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking
Love the PSA outro!
So, only in 9 months, prices dropped down to 11-15$ per complete hot end without fan. And nozzles are within 1.5-3$ depending on copper/ hardened steel and cht. Already correct sizes etc. So for a price of 1 on bambu, you can get all the range from 0.2 to 0.8 with hotend and in both materials with cht inserts.
The bambu hotends are flawless imo
Buy the full eassembly of your sizes and be done
Thanks... definitely buying the whole hotend assemblies. Bought the bambu to have a printer "ready to go don't care about settings,aint nobody got time for that".
My issue is they take a long time to swap. Much more than just a nozzle. 2 screws, then unroute the cables, then fiddle the connectors and hope you don’t break the pins… (which I’ve done). It’s a hassle.
If the V6 nozzle is to long, id the MK8 to short? its the same threads to should fit, or the heat block should be able to be made to fit with it perfect?
You made a 20 minute video to talk about just the hotend?
From a company standpoint, customer support is expensive and time consuming, So the more you limit the customer from fidgeting around, the less you have customer induced errors flooding your customer support. One example is the Bambu hot end. How many newbies "clog" customer support after the filament exploded out of the nozzle because the nozzle change by the customer was not installed or torqued correctly or extruding issues because the nozzle was not tuned properly?
Dude editing Johnathan got me here cracking up 🤣. Do as he said n help those in need😂
Thanks! Thought you guys would get a kick out of it, and wanted to give you a laugh because I felt terrible that I promised EVERY knockoff and then spent the whole time talking about nozzles and hot ends.
@@thenextlayer it was n awesome episode
And now there is open source firmware support for the Bambu X1C!
Yes, it matters.
You either push the market forward, or freeze it in time.
I can't encourage illegal clones.
I need a smooth plate. They are either not in stock or expensive as hell in bambu store. I still can't comprehend why a smooth plate is not included. I can't print any lettered panels face down!
I think part of the allure of the Bambu ecosystem is reliability. There are a lot of failures in Reddit forums from improperly tightened nozzles. Possibly Bambu safeguarding the brand against poor reviews due to nozzle seat?
Thanks for the work.
That call to action at the end was 👌🏻👌🏻
Thanks! Thought you'd like that :)
If you have doubts if open source matters, ask Davinci XYZ users. Company goes out of business, printer won't accept 3rd party filament, you have a massive doorstop.
I have gone through two of these Aliexpress special upgrades. The first hotend got clogged to the point that I had to throw the whole thing away. the second one suddenly started printing the first level test with one strip that is in the back, off the plate. it also started having adhesion issues and layer shifting. I took out the hotend and found that it had bend, maybe because of the repeated banging against the nozzle wipe. I have since installed a Bambu Lab OEM hotend. it is just not worth it when i have to redo a 6 day print three times.
the thing with closed garden and the 3d printer economy is, a p1 Series Printer is one Board change away to become a frankensein "voron". X1 may be harder couse of the lidar but not impossible.
This title is so misleading. "every" knockoff. You're only talking about hot-end. I like your content a lot, and I think it's just bad idea imo. 20 minute video. I was on like 17-18 minutes in and then I've checked time stamps, and was very disappointed.
Yeah. That’s fair. As I mentioned, we got to 5pm yesterday and realized we would never make it in time, so we had to break this one up. Sorry about that.
Exactly I was really hoping to see those shiny “cold” sheets or some other stuff. This is literally a video about 3rd party v6 hotend…
Patents take at least two years to be issued. That's why many products have the words "patent pending" on it. Just a warning to someone who might want to copy a product and bring it to market. The problem is that in our fast moving tech scene, many copiers can produce the product and sell a bunch, then go out of business before the IP owner can do anything about it.
in 2 years there will likely be a superior product anyway
Need silicon sock without it nozzle gets cool by part cooling fan , on my ender Print er without sock it was giving thermal runway error after little bit printing and after using silicon sock I never got thermal runway error
Let's skip to the actual content I came for: @8:13 😮
This would be a great choice for my diy build printer 😊
Regarding open-source solutions built after proprietary tools and professional work:
- Linux is an open-source product which has a design inspired by a proprietary kernel, and arguably, it's more professional than any proprietary/non-proprietary OS kernel ever built.
Wait a hot minute, you can't just unscrew the nozzle to change to a different size or replace on Bambu Labs? That seems needlessly complicated.
15:30 you still have 2 advantages. You can swap out nozzles easily / quickly (to change sizes) and you can still use high-flow nozzles that you otherwise can't use with Bambu printers. For me this works out perfectly because I'm about done with my Ender printers and plan to only run Bambu from now on :)
nm you sort of mentioned this later on lol
I wonder how long it will be until someone has completely reverse engineered the AMS so that you can print 90% of it and make your own for under $100
Omg. Yes. The hydra mod is a good start.
If someone is willing to risk to be sued by patent infrigiment and purchase terms infrigiment (reverse engineering)....
Patent "A mechanism and 3D printing system that reloads for 3D printer" - CN114474738A.
These is only one of the patents that covers the AMS and its buffer.
Should display volutmetric expriment in graph and chart.
Contrary to popular belief, intellectual property protections are not intended to shield ideas themselves. Copyrights safeguard the expression of ideas, while patents protect inventions themselves. In simplified terms, you cannot patent an idea; you need a tangible product that functions as described in the patent application. Patenting a 3D printer component, such as a nozzle, would be extremely difficult unless it represents a completely novel design with an unprecedented mechanism. To clarify, Bambu Labs likely holds no patents on individual printer components. They might possess a design patent for the printer itself, preventing others from replicating it identically, but that's the extent of their protection. On the other hand, they might be the intellectual property holders of the firmware they use. I'm unable to confirm this without further investigation.
practically you do not even to buy the hotends with fan included, because there is a mod that allows to permanently mount the fan separated from the hotend, making the hotend quick changeable without hassle.
Fight the Bamba! It's the PEOPLE who should control the means of printing!
Bambu Lab may have had to design its own proprietary nozzle solution to avoid infringing upon existing patents.
What firmware are you using in this video? I like the speedometer style graphics
I new this kind of stuff would be coming...I have been silently laughing at the people who have been denying themselves the pleasure of a Bambu printer because they can "only get parts from Bambu". And you are right, its only a matter of time before every part can be found just as good or better from aftermarket. That being said, unless it provides a significant advantage, I am going to buy from Bambu even if it costs a little more. That way i can support the development of even better printers.
Yeah. Makes sense.
@@LilApe Non serviceable for the moment. Of course Bambu would focus on selling the parts that are most likely to need replacement. In Time, there will be replacements for more and more but for now, I suspect they need nearly all the parts they produce just to keep up with sales. The Control boards, Heated Bed, and even the motion system will all be repairable given time. And in the mean time, I am absolutely loving my Bambu printer, how fast, accurate, and reliable it is. I have had so few issues with it compared to anything else I have purchased including several different variations of ender 3 printers from Creality. Plus, Lets say i am wrong and the entire system is designed to be tossed out like a cheap HP inkjet printer. By the time the machine reaches that point of wear it will certainly have paid for itself several times over, assuming you operate it for a business such as i do.
I don't quite understand "40mm^3/S". What is now the benefit of the aftermarket nozel? We can print higher? Faster? Thanks.
Thank you in the name of science 🌾
As a patent holder, I'm going to take a wild guess here.
Bambu has probably realized the futility of filing a design patent.
The only patent worth having is a utility patent and that requires some type of functional uniqueness that can't be anticipated as a natural evolution of an existing patent...
If something does a task pretty much the same way as an existing patent, just better, a design patent would probably be the best that could be hoped for, and those aren't worth the filing costs.
There really isn't anything about a 3D printer or the parts that it's built from, that's uniquely innovative...
That was the entire point of how home 3D printers became a thing.
They could be built out of off-the-shelf hardware with public collaboration.
Kudos to Bambu for saving their money and leaving third party add-ons open because, open or not, there really isn't a cost effective way to stop aftermarket parts.
Much better for the goodwill of makers and hardware hackers too, and we, are the target market.
I was about to subscribe because I really like the style of your videos, but those thumbs... I will just check out the channel once in a while.
Hi and thanks for the nice content!
I have a question about the nozzle.
Have you hot tighten it? If yes how?
Thanks for the answer
I want a Diamondback nozzle for the X1-Carbon. Will it ever happen???
Most parts are patented. Bambu Labs 3D printers patent can be found searching the patents owned by Shenzhen Tuozhu Technology Ltd.
That company name can be found in the terms that a customer is obliged to agrre with the purchase if one of their printers.
Thank you for your video.I will share on my Socials.
Awesome, thank you!
I would love to see a complete AMS for less then 400$
But... it only costs 350 USD on the Bambu store?
Check out the Hydra mod... we're 1-2 remixes away from a DIY AMS.
12:28 What's that variable spanner called?! :D
Letssss goooo part 2 otw bbabey
Yessssir!
I'm thinking of getting this to use something like tungsten carbide or diamondback nozzles. If I'm not using CHT style nozzles, that should avoid the stringing issues, right?
And the tungsten carbide and diamondback nozzles are still better thermal conductors than regular or hardened steel.
They’ll stick out a bit though!
Hey, your title is misleading. You said every Bambu knockoff. What about knockoff build plates? ;)
> every knockoff
> tried 1 hotend
Yeah. We had to cut the video in two. Thursday we will publish another one with 3 more knockoff parts
I think its faster to just swap out the entire hotend lol 3 connectors, 2 screws, 2 minutes.
Great video! Keep up the fantastic content. I am hoping that BambuLab is paying attention and plans to come out with some new high flow nozzle/hotend assemblies in the near future...
THANK YOU! Glad you enjoyed it
bambu's supposed walled garden is a filament cutter after the direct extruder motor, that's it, ram it rewind it push the new filament.
Prusa's filament MMU thing sort of does the same just dumber, improving a bambu printer involves moving the filament mux closer to the head.
Looks like they now have a v2 of the aliexpress hotend so you can swap cht style nozzles that is the same size as the bambu labs stock hotend - so none of the problems outlined in this video. Then easier to just swap nozzles going forward
Yup.
I'm sorry, but you are way off on this one, and you incorrectly steer people away from doing this upgrade. It is an excellent upgrade and definitely worth doing for anyone who wants to be able to use a CHT nozzle with their Bambu X1.
For starters, it takes about 30 seconds to shorten the filament tube by 1.9mm. Measure it out, mark it with some painter's tape or sharpie, vice it up, and grab the Dremel. Leave some filament in the tube when you do it to help it not deform; deburr it and clean it out with some canned or pressurized air from the nozzle opening. This works 100%, with 0 error codes, no wiper damage, and no need to alter every single individual nozzle.
The heating issue you are experiencing has nothing to do with the three possibilities you stated; it is happening because you put thermal paste between the filament tube and the heatsink, thereby causing the ceramic heater to be overpowered by the hot end fan. There should be no thermal paste between the filament tube and the heatsink. You only need thermal paste directly on the thermistor and ceramic heater.
Thank you for the reply. You’re completely right, I didn’t think about the thermal paste and heat sink issue… I’ll take it apart and fix it. And wow. Yeah. I didn’t think about just shortening the tube!!! That’s what happens when you’re too busy recording B-Roll to read the discord group!!
I think I’m gonna pin your comment when I get to a computer. Seriously, thanks for taking the time.
Did you ever try the new bimetal cht version and test flow rates? Prices have also dropped precipitously. You can find the hardened ones fro around $5.00 CAD
99.9% of what we buy is closed. That’s the way it works. Here, in the USA, it’s legal to makes something to interface with a proprietary, patented device. So there’s nothing illegal there as said, as long as there are some differences. So that’s really not a problem.
Let’s get something straight. You can’t patent an idea. That’s absolute. You have to patent the realization of an idea in an actual product. It can be a process patent, which is used for anything involving a chemical process. It can be a design patent, which covers the way something is built and the way it looks. Or a trade dress patent, which covers the color, design, logo, etc. there are other types of patents. And, you can take a patent from someone, improve upon it to add functions the original patent doesn’t cover - and patent that. So it’s complex.
A problem with open source is that usually the license forces companies to publish any code they may had added to it, or changed, that took a lot of time and money to come up with. Therefore, they won’t use it. It’s understandable.
What printer do you recommend as the best all around printer for best quality, ease of use/maintenance, etc
Depending on your budget, Sovol SV06, Bambu lab P1P, or Bambu lab X1C.
I wish they gave an option when buying the original printer with a different original nozzle. I use only .2 mm or .6 mm
How many things came out after you posted your I tested everything video?
Omg so many.
Cool Video Jonathan!
Thank you!!!
Thanks for this video :D
Great video! Hey since you have both a voron and a Bambu printer, a good suggestion for a video would be comparing velocity vs quality between both of them, keep the videos coming, the consistency and quality are top notch!
Good call... I'll do it! And thanks so much for the kind words
I don't need a Bambu. . I don't need a Bambu. . .
Lol. Give in.
End of the line: *The Bambu Lab printers are not a great option if you don't want to use them the only way Bambu Lab itself thought of!*
The whole idea of this machine is a none tinkering "it just works" machine. Which for me is questionable in the first place because somehow eventually there will be a problem ... also with Bambu Lab machines. But if all this tinkering is required to get close to a printer you want - than this is probably not the right machine for you!
An Ender 5 S1 with that Sonic Pad or at the end a Voron 2.4 would maybe be a better option for more flexibility. Or the upcoming Creality K1. Maybe.
Bambu also said that they will not support Klipper for "security reasons", which I think is a lie. After all it would be MY printer and if I wan't to be unsafe that is my choice.
Yeah that is annoying
My man... this thermal paste mess have me a stroke😅 I'm a veteran PC builder and I couldn't watch it without tears. If you got just a tony blob of thermal past on your hand - clean it immediately. It's a nasty and messy substance.
Wait, is it possible to install a V6 hotend on a 3rd-party hotend assembly? I couldn't find such thing
The Bambu knockoff supports v6 ones yes.
It's not okay to present people as potential criminals just because you don't know how IP law works.
Sorry who did I present as potential criminals….? I think I made it quite clear that these products are significantly changed and so I don’t think they infringe on IP
@@thenextlayer You put a 2 minute segment about IP infringement into a video that is supposed to be about 3D printer upgrades. This and calling the parts "knockoffs" gives of the impression that there is something shady going on. If not legally then at least ethically. To your credit you did say that you thought that no actual patents were infringed. However, I do not understand why manufacturers of aftermarket parts have to be presented in this negative context to begin with.
Honestly, I don't care if you have a closed Ecosystem. Aslong as it isn't locked on the Software side (PartID or smth like that) you can always just replace everything.
I will take a well done walled garden over open source any day.
I thought you were saying is someone made a copy cat B1 one printer. Not copy cat parts. :(
There is one of those too but none of us wanna review it because the company is being sketchy…
The best way to stop the intellectual property thief’s is to not do anything intellectual
Would those knock off parts void your warranty?
Probably
I'm very curious about trying to use an aftermarket nozzle that is diamond for printing with carbon fiber. I haven't yet made the purchase of a Bambu lab printer but I'm very close and interested. Any thoughts on this?
Soon… soon there will be some very interesting upgrades available for BBL
After you are done with your UPGRADES. Can you make a beautiful print that is better looking than what you could get OUT OF THE BOX untouched x1 carbon?? That would be great. It seems the quality in prints dropped after the upgrade!
Stay tuned for next video. But as I mentioned, the nozzle “upgrade” was a mistake so far.
@@thenextlayer cool....love your stuff!!
The replacement parts by Bambulab are actually very affordable
@@bomas_ulz well, it seems like there’s a lot of stuff there and with a hotend and nozzle for €13 you can’t actually call that expensive. It’s more than there’s available for my V409. Maybe they offer the cables if you contact customer support? They responded to me within a day.
@@bomas_ulz seems like you were quite unlucky. I’m actually selling my v400 after so many issues and I heard from friends how amazing the X1C is, so I ordered that one. Hopefully your issues will get resolved
Have anyone managed to fix stringing with the CHT nozzles?
If one day Bambu Labs will sue someone for patent infrigiment will be not for sure, but, for example in U.S.A.. They have several patents on their printers. To know the ones already public search the ones submited by Shenzhen Tuozhu Technology ltd.
I didn’t see that ad coming. 😏
Is that good or bad? I felt like it was better to integrate it into my points
I think Bambu is deliberately not patenting the hotend to allow aftermarket improvements to be developed that could be merged into mainstream, basically free R&D for them as long as aftermarket developers don’t close source and patent them
Would be nigh on impossible for them to patent their hotend design as its not really new, plus any designs have either been patented before or there is prior art.
so basically I just leave my Bambu Lab the way it is.
Your thermistor isn't working because, most likely you've messed up the wiring.
Did you try a mk8 nozzle? They have a shorter threaded section.
Ooooh, I didn't. But people told me i could've ground down the top of the tube too