Upgrade your BambuLab AMS with HYDRA!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มี.ค. 2023
- The Bambulab AMS system is probably one of, if not the best MMU system on the market at the moment, but its got some limitations, can we solve some of those deficiencies with a 3d print? The HYDRA AMS system seems to so, so lets install it!
Check out the HYDRA AMS here
www.printables.com/model/3921...
AMS Dis-assembly
wiki.bambulab.com/en/x1/maint...
AMS Lid Mod
www.printables.com/model/4019...
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You've got to love how the community will even improve closed-source products. That's so great.
I'd have thought a simple spacer piece would solve the narrow spool issue.
I can see there's some bleed of the black filament in to the red on the layers with the eyes on the Kirby print. Looks like more purge is needed.
Saw your post after posting, great minds and all that jazz 😄
at one point couple months ago, i tried running reverse bowden tubes to carrot patches as a test for different spool sizes, didint work due to the interaction with the active rollers in conjunction with the sensors, very annoying. theorized putting a riser with rollers that would be active driven off the motorized ones, but never got around to modelling it. the angle needs to be shifted on the active drive modules too, it catches on spools that are filled near the edge. this mod should probably accommodate almost all of the issues ive experienced.
would like to see a voron head pick up the cutter the way the bambu does it with a toolhead mounted blade and a boop pin on the frame. would solve the ercf tip problem real easy at the cost of waste material.
numbering and labeling is cool, also taking a picture is so so important. The amount of times a picture has saved my ass when reinstalling a wiring harness.
Hey Nero, thanks a lot, that was a spot-on review. I'm thankful for the spotlight! :)
I had mostly compatibility with (wider) 1 Kg spools in mind at first with early prototypes but expanded compatibilty for ones with a smaller diameter as well before release.
Most smaller spools (Taulman PC and most 500 g spools for example) do work but as you correctly covered, 250 g sample spools that are very slim in width catch the front feeder as they are about as wide as the feeder itself so in that case we have to use a workaround with spool adapters.
I will post a couple that adds compatibilty with these small 250 g spools and also larger cardboard spools in the next few days, just need to test a little first.
Thanks again and have a great weekend.
Thank you so much for including a link to an open-source MMS alternative at the end of the video! I've gotten to the age with our hobby that my ethos has started to get in the way of enjoying the latest, shiniest things, but multi-material printing has so many applications that it's difficult to ignore the huge advantage that Bambulabs offers by engineering one that works so well with their machines out-of-box. 👍
As usual useful content just in time. Going to do this tomorrow on mine. And thanks again for the lid lifter link. Starting to print that now.
“Pobody’s nerfect” 🤣
Thank you for showing all of it. Cuts cut down on the satisfaction.
Great review! And FYI.. I know its just a test print but I have found when using darker filament (like black) I need to increase the purge amount (black to any other color loaded in the AMS). This will prevent the bleed through you're seeing around the head on the same level of the eyes.
Between the Vision enclosure and the Hydra, humebeam is designing and iterating like crazy
I'm going to purchase an X1C this week, and this will work perfect for it. I have a lot of filament with cardboard spools, and I might just respool them onto a two piece spool I printed last week.
Love the Kirby music mix during the Kirby print
Great video! I love my 2.4 and it prints like a dream but after almost 3 weeks of trying to get the ERCF to print reliably(never got past 30-40 swaps without intervention) I ordered an X1C for multi material, hopefully can keep both the voron and the bambu without the gf giving me too hard of a time!
This is awesome. Thanks for the info and this video
Great content there Nero!
Respooling sounds much easier, plus still maintaining the dry box.
Let's see whether Bambu is going to improve this out of the box in the future...
Prob not till ams v2. Injection dies are ridiculously salty.
Hey Nero - awesome video. This mod removes one of my barriers to considering the Bambu products, the inability of using any filament in the AMS. If I decide to expand multi-material / multi color away from my Prusa MK3S+/MMU2S, I'll need to consider the pro/con of the Bambu.
I was in the same spot until I ran a slice on Prusa Slicer and the MK3S was going to take 1day 8 hours and the bambu said 7 hours.
It's pretty amazing what this thing can do.
Of course, no carbon fiber or any rough filament can be used in the AMS, so that's a negative. You can, but it'll chew up the tubes.
Very sweet editing!
I am using the spool winder on printables to load filament on Bambu reels (that you can print yourself) and everything works perfect. I realize it is an extra step, but the spools edge ate consistent, wider, and diameter perfect. So, dry box retained and zero issues due to slightly diff diameter spools which can loosen filament a bit on spool. It take under 2 minutes to transfer a spool…another option…
could you provide the link for the files?
Two minutes? Can you please share more?
Awesome - Thank You
Dam, Bambu Labs is clearly giving their printers and AMS system to every content creator out there. They are everywhere.
That's a marketing budget for ya
@@CanuckCreator a big one 😅.
I just wish their AMS sistem was more open and allowed pairing with stuff like duet.
That's how it works. That's how it always worked.
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I love it when a plan comes together. This is very cool and once I get the cash together I will get my P1S and this will be the first project I tackle. The second project will be finding and liking the Smash button LOL (11:59 -12:01) No worries, we all make slip-ups like that. Keep up the great work!
This is why the Community is the BEST all kinds of people from all over the world come together to better the experience for all of us THANKS EVERYONE
Great design. I think the next evolution in this will be a mod to the top that allows the lid to shut and the desiccant to be used. My RH in the box now is 10%. I don't want to lose that come summer when it gets more humid
Hume made some dessicant holders that go through the center of the spool. I just wish there was an easy way to mount the humidity sensor facing forward.
Just found your channel, very informative and well made vids! Just a thought, a printed riser, hinged for the AMS to allow all sizes? Cheers from the UK!
It needs a riser section that will raise the lid enough to clear the largest spools. (May be available by now.)
@Hume Beam did a really good job. I haven't printed it yet because I don't have small rolls, but it's nice to be able to use them now. Hopefully Bambu will contact Hume Beam to adopt this design for future releases. The design has already been presented on the Bambu forum and Bambu Labs should already know about it. If you have already disassembled the AMS I would also advise to change the PTFE tubes right away for Capricon tubes and adjust the lengths that there are no sharp bends. This is the first thing I did after delivery of my AMS ;-)
where do you get Capricon tubes for the AMS ?
@@motomatta1 Make your own from bulk Capricorn. My concern is that you can not see through the walls
I think if enough people buy Bambu Labs printers and AMS units the filament manufacturers will make their spools AMS compatible, Im holding out for the wrinkles to be ironed out with the X1 Carbon before investing in one though.
For the 250 gram spools, I made a full-size spool with centering cones to clamp aound them. Works like a champ.
Hey Nero. Thanks for taking out the time to show how this mod is done! I have a question you can answer. Bambu support has not been very helpful. I purchased a couple of Bambu x1 printers, and one of the printer's AMS units has no working lights. None. I have changed cables still no go. I have opened it up and checked all the wiring. Your video shows that each feeder has a plugin for the main board. I find it hard to believe that every feeder cable going to the board doesn't work because the unit grabs filament and works as it should. I have zero lights. Came that way. Do you have any idea why this might be going on? I doubt its the main board because each feeder has a separate line into the main board. This one really has me scratching my head! I really appreciate any help you can provide.
all i care about is if there will be a ercf 2.0 that can use those filament drives etc. would require a filament cutter near the hotend though, so that would be a little bit of a challenge
"Pobody's nerfect." Ok, I have to watch this video now.
how much of the AMS is buyable in spare parts ? as are we close to fully printed AMS ? that would be interesting if we could do that ?
I use all different brands with my AMS and never have issues
Pobodies Nerfect. I love it!
I just print spare spools tbh. With a decent spool winder and power tool its trivial to respool to known working spools.
Thanks for the demo! May give it a go. Anyone know where to get the Kirby model?
I also have PLA support filaments, how do I pick the Support filaments when trying to paint?
ONLY BENCHIES!!!!??? XD XD XD XD I love it!!! XD
This is awesome! But... I think I'd rather just respool to compatible spools, not sure tho
Great video.
Mighty fine beard btw.
Ok this is off subject. Can you tell me which motor a/b is x and y. I appreciate it. Thanks and love the videos
depends on the printer and how the belt run is setup
there is no "x or y" motor in a corexy setup, its A/B
The x=a y=b or w/e stems from legacy labeling on controller boards that have setups like X Y Z E0 E1
Ohh that's a nice video.
loaded up all 4 AMS units.. but I can get the colors to show up on the Bambu lab software.. how do you get all 4 ams units to show up on my laptop when I am trying to pick colors to paint .
Amazing
I wish someone would come out with a larger top hood. Why oh why did not Bambu Labs increase clearances of the clear hood by 10-15% and we would almost never have an issue.
Is there a certain size or type of Bowden tubing? Can you provide a link where you get you Bowden Tubing from?
Stock bowden used in the AMS is 3mm ID 4mm OD i believe
Does the delivered V3 model still "need" this Hydra mod?
So is this mod so it can use larger spools? Seems like a lot to use a slightly bigger spool
larger spools and smaller spools, it does help alot with compatibility
Will this work with the p1s or only the x1? Is it the same AMS?
Yep, works with both
Do you get extra credit if we watch again ;)
I did this to 4) AMS units. 2 of them did not power on afterward. New wires, new circuit boards... Still waiting for the parts. I should have left them alone!
Did he say pobodys nerfect on purpose? 😂
If only we could get this AMS to talk to Klipper
will gst3d work with this mod
Is there a way to use the AMS with Vorons?(so basically with Klipper)
Nope. Would require a new controller at a minimum
Lets hope someone hax it i would love to use the ams with my new micron and v0 im building
I am in the process of installing a 3D Chameleon on my Rat Rig. It is very much like the AMS, but no enclosure. It uses a y feeder to feed 4 filaments into the extruder. currently sold in the US for $199. Something I like vs my AMS is the filament load time. It only retracts about 10 inches to load the new filament. What I don't like is the way it is controlled by the printer. It has no direct connection, instead you have the printer hit a switch to tell it what color to use. I have it mounted and am going to test tomorrow.
Is there a workaround for not buying a AMS?
I'm always astonished at the amount of plastic waste generated by the AM's system and how that is somehow considered acceptable
Thats just how it is... It has nothing to do with the AMS system. There's only one nozzle.
Bought a pig on Amazon with drone delivery, just to watch ;)
Amazing how much filament will I need to make this
about half a KG
Has anyone has issues with warranty after doing this mod. Simply because labeling all the components there gonna know someone has been in there I do understand that at this level is more of a now you own it kind of thing but i wasnt sure if Bambu Labs was supporting this mod like they did with the sides of the p1p This kit is available already printed through a few different suppliers so i wasnt sure if they support it would make sense to me for them to either send out or support files that are very nice upgrades simply because as you know it saves the companies millions and people know a days love to customize Everything.
use numbered tape and remove it
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Design a printable lid. It would have to be a screw together but still doable. Edit.. NM I went tothe end lol😂
Do you really need to number it ? Those are just interchangeable rfid readers.
Tendies, feed it Tendies.
cant you design a lifter to raise the lid and allow the filament to still be enclosed
Yup and already existing mods that do that
How much filament does it take to print this?
About half a kg
@@CanuckCreator Nice, thanks!
Hmm Im worried that I've bought the wrong thing, if there an entire mod to replace a $500 part it screams theres massive problems. . I dont know if its just me as an Australian, but when i pay for something form a manufacturer, it damn well should work out of the box, and thanks to our warranty laws, it should work for a minimum of 12 months and can actually be expected to last a lot longer than that based on how a company displays, charges and advertises their items. Now what i mean by that is, If a consumer buys lets say a new car, they shouldnt have to pull the car apart to do what it should do well, ie be a car. In this case, its entirely unreasonable for a consumer to have to pull all this apart to fix problems that should have been fixed prior to selling the ams to consumers. How can we tell what version we have of the AMS? Whats the benefit of such a mod? I do like the ability to put smaller and larger spools, but the whole point of the system is to encapsulate the spools within the ams, Ie wouldnt it just be easier to print a spooler so you can for example chuck your 3d printed spool that suits the ams and spool off a bulk reel onto the bambu reel? I dunno maybe im just worried that there has to be these workarounds on a machine thats designed to not have to be tinkered on endlessly.?
To be fair, it works with there filament which of course they want you to buy. Essentially if you stay in there eco system everything should work as intended. I think it would be a little unfair to expect Bambu to make a perfect system on there first try which works with every single filament in the market. Although I am speculating since I only have an X1C without the AMS
You can print spare spools and transfer your third party filament to those spools. Seems weird to expect every kind and size of spool to fit, when there's no standardization.
My slot 3 died after running too much carbon fiber nylon through it. Even tore apart the AMS, replaced the tubes, cleaned it.
They definitely designed it to be incompatible with Prusa spools haha
the issue with this system is the color flushing is never complete you can see the black fade the red around the eyes and for this reason an idex is a must for multi color prints
Ya this is default settings. Purge can be increased
@@CanuckCreator this is nice and pretty cool to have the adjustment but black and red don't like flushing out the worst same with yellow green and blue all can use different flushing times over others and the pigment used in the master batch can also differ in flush outs so it still a guess at times if the nozzles contaminated from the last color/Material, who knows when it will release into the print on another color especially when the base material is different and carbon and gels will get ya too if you use different base materials in the same nozzle Carbon is right behind waiting to release when your not ready and if you run TI02 white MB filaments with high MB loading it will also require more flushing than others do. chunks and colour can just release as the nozzle pressures reduce enough to release some of it and also increasing pressures can release more of it again! unless you run the same resin all the time you will have contamination issues i feel for these reasons above! cheers! great videos and audio you have
could you do a J1 SM review I just wish it was open! but love the Idex fast changing heads and keeping the materials at bay
for me, Hydra AMS didn't work very well. With it, I cannot close lid with Aurapol PLA 1kg spools, even though it was possible to do it with stock AMS main body. Aurapol spools have 200mm diameter. Therefore I'm going to revert to stock AMS body.
Wow.
I would just use different filament. I've never even heard of that company. I would never let a company's design flaw keep me from using my machine the way I want.
Wubby7 to you brother
respectful sheesh to you to sir
Pobody is nerfect?
Rewind big spools and print spool adaptors for the others
as someone with near 150 spools in inventory respooling just cus i want to use one colour for one print is not really a practical solution
@@CanuckCreator I get why someone would do it. Different strokes for different folks. I run a small amount of brands/colors and My 3kg/5kg spools wouldn't fit the hydra anyways.
If someone develops a mod that can run multiple 5kg spools/ AMS hub compatible/ with no drawbacks. I'd be game.
Make sure u guys tug on your Bowden tube, lol.
Pobodys Nerfect indeed
0:24 Pobodies nerfect
Shout out to Calvin, i'm a picky eater too.
Only reason for doing this is for the 3djake 250g spools and you say dosnt feed properly 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Check the comment by the creator, looks like the first Revision was aimed more at wide spool compatibility, but they did say they are working on supporting more in the future so stay tuned!
This mod would be great, if you could still close the lid...
Theres a printed fix for that
Pobody Nerfect?
At no time in the video did you credit the mod maker, humebeam.
Why not print a new lid?
a 3d print isnt really "air tight" but there are shim prints you can do so the lid can still close
"pobodie's nerfect"??
Can I print an entire AMS and save 400$ just buying individual components ?
Nope. Controller and feeding mechanism is single source
Pobuddies Nerfect
I’m not sure this is worth it, it’s all fun and games till your AMS break
Someone should reverse engineer the connector and produce compatible systems. There probably isn't much to it if it got rid of the (kind of useless) RFID readers and just had motors for moving filaments back and forth through feeders.
3d print a 3d print with a 3d printer to fix a 3d print for a 3d printer 😂😂😂😂😂
you can't "strip" when you screw into plastic holes. the holes simply deform and skip unless you're printing with a very rigid material.
End result's the same isn't it
@@Yggdrasil42 NO BECAUSE THEN THE HOLE IS NOT DESTROYED
You say there's really no downside, but I consider the lack of desiccant a pretty big downside. For this reason I just respool the occasional spool that is too large.
www.printables.com/model/402087-adjustable-spool-holder-for-silica-gel-spool-weigh
Sorry bro I couldn’t like the smash button 😂
pobodys nerfect...
My AMS is 100% unreliable, I have to manually feed and unfeed. I think I just got a bad one because I've tried everything except this and have yet to order filament direct from Bambu. I re-opened a ticket since they closed my old ticket without even solving it.
The Bambu AMS is the biggest POS ever created. I just joined the class action lawsuit against Bambu because of this. I want my money back.
Huh?
Looks like way too much effort. I just respool any oddball spools to standard spool size, using an automatic respooler found on Printables.
What the Bambu really needs is a robust and reliable PTFE tube Y splitter to allow feeding from external spools without having to disconnect the AMS.
I tried all the printable ones I could find, and tried to make my own too, but all failed at some point.
Bambu is selling a Y-splitter now. 4 to 1 I think.
@@Yggdrasil42 you meant the AMS. That's not a Y splitter. I found a really good one on Etsy for cheap though.
@@mururoa7024 No an actual.Y splitter. Saw it yesterday in their webshop.
@@Yggdrasil42 I found it.
maybe you should of said in the first min you cant close the lid and defeat the entire purpose of the AMS.... No down side to your mod? what an opinion and not a fact.... NO. the system DOES NOT work. You cant close the lid. how does that fact, define, "the system works", when the "system" was designed to keep stuff DRY.
Good thing i highlighted and linked a mod that corrects that issue
www.printables.com/model/401970-ams-lid-lifter-with-lock
Don't even need to do this, someone invented printable spool adaptors to use any cardboard or thin plastic spool with the Ams. Alot less work.
All that effort for something that does absolutely nothing to improve performance or reliability.
Anyone doing this should invoice Bambu Lab as the useless thing should have worked from the manufacturer. Without this the unit is a dog!