Theon's Prophecy (A Song of Ice and Fire)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2021
- A moment from the book series that never made it into Game of thrones,
of Theon Greyjoy experiences what could possibly be a prophetic dream
in the 2nd book a clash of kings.
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I love how Catelyn is not in the dinner of the death stark, foreshadowing Lady Stoneheart
Good catch
G.R.R.M probably just forgot
I mean... neither is Benjen. So he should still be alive as well.
I loved Brann's reaction. For him Theon was always welcome at Winterfell so why go through so much trouble
I took it.😹😹
“Why?”
@@ThePremierAlan exactly 😂
I dont think Theon needs a redemption arc, he's becoming, at least on books, the next Gray king. He's dead, he's, broken, what is dead may never die, and Theon may rise again, harder and stronger. A perfect ruler for the iron islands
You"ve watched the show too much... in the books there's nothing left, he can't walk, he can't fuck, he's a wreck there's nothing to repare.
@@Toto-95 what is dead may never die, but rises again harder and stronger. And ive read all 5 books, If i recall correctly, he is walking in the snow...
@@lucassantosalves But he cant father a child, I get where your coming from but its a bit of a strech.
I don’t think Theon will rule the iron islands or anything. Yes Ramsey broke him in a sense and Theon may recover more as time passes but I think he’s lost too much to become a strong leader or sit on the salt throne
@@MrDuncan1337 Theon got that ship Captain's daughter pregnant. All he has to do is rule until that son comes of age.
Theon’s has to be the most tragic story in ASOIAF. His constant urge to be accepted leads directly to his downfall
And to his possible execution by Stannis!
What both Theon in the books and show accomplished was making me dislike a character, then hating them, then REALLY hating them, then feel happy that they are suffering, then guilty for feeling that happiness, then pity for them.
If a character and story makes me feel, then it's a good character and story. A bad story is one that numbs the senses.
Based
It makes sense that the Greyjoy's have prophetic dreams because they have the blood of the first men too. For example Euron on and all his weird stuff.
I guess Euron's visions come with the Shade of the Evening.
@@tarunsharma4915 Many of his vision do. Euron talks about flying in a way that's very similar to Brand's experience with the three-eyed crow.
@@tonyaniehaus3296 It's interesting that you brought that up, because there's a theory where Euron is/was one of Brynden Rivers' apprentices.
I don't know if I buy that, tho. Euron seems pretty atheist by his conversations with Aeron, and if he was a three-eyed crow apprentice, i'm pretty sure he would, at least, believe in the Great Other and the Old Gods.
Then again, he could be just lying about not believing in any gods to pressure Aeron into accepting himself as one.
@@Krisliet There's a "theory" for everything. All these theories are good for one thing, and only one: They show that the people coming up with them have no idea how novel writing is done. Novel writing involves the creation of characters with internal logic and plots that build, not ridiculous surprises and people who are dead turning up alive w/out any foreshadowing, or people turning out to be someone else w/out logic or foreshadowing, or having connections to other people or places without logic or foreshadowing.
@@Krisliet to be fair, the Old Gods and The Great Other may not be “gods” so to speak, just more powerful beings than humans.
Theon may have the best arc in the books. I think he will live out his days as an honorable man on The Night's Watch. He's already thought about it when he took Winterfell and the Maester was offering him advice.
I really think he was the only character who was done justice at the end of the show
I love this idea. He would be a perfect fit for the Night’s Watch. Like Qhorin Halfhand, he would have to learn to fight with his disability. He no longer has a sense of pride or vanity, so he has no reason to forsake his vows or desert.
@@maestercraig3990 please please tell me that you are being sarcastic
@@bakthihapuarachchi3447 C'mon. He died running slow motion at a near immortal ice zombie while holding a simple spear. His death suuccckked
Lol he's for sure gonna die
I believe Theon will eventually be Bran's Coldhands. "What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger."
Or maybe Theon will become the next Grey King!
wow i only just realised the “prince of winterfell” is meant to be a direct mirror to the role of the “prince of dragonstone” where the heir inherits it
Theon's chapters are some of my favorite in the series. They're very dark and despairing and they're awesome
Maybe it wasn't the 3eyed raven who showed the dream to Theon, but Bran in training already as the next 3eyed raven?
Ooooh, good catch!
I love Theon's story. The son who wasn't and the Validation who sought from both his fathers.
Ned is not his father in any way, shape or form.
@@augustusfreeman4032 Ned raised him from 8 to 15 if my numbers are right, that is about half of theons life, and then he treated then just as well as he treated jon and Robb.
Even in the show then says his real father dide in kings landing
@@G1nger519 Yeah, if you are gonna be a hostage in any way, there is no better man than to be a hostage for Ned Stark, who will never treat you badly despite being a hostage
@@augustusfreeman4032 might as well have been
Ned was a better father than Theons own...
Despite being a "prisoner", Theon was treated well and did basically anything he wanted
I guess I never really considered this dream to be prophetic. I thought of it as more like a nightmare put out by the magic of Winterfell letting Theon know that this wasn’t truly his place and Robb would come for it.
Though, we know that’s not the case now
What if it wasn’t the 3 eyed raven but the dead kings of winter. Ned felt their eyes staring as him and Robert walked to lyanna’s grave stone.
Theon’s story is so underrated
My one most pressing thought about that dream is that if it was created and shown to Theon by the Three Eyed Raven, the purpose was possibly the ever increasing fear along side the visual representation of the crypts to ensure Theon was so scared about them that he didn't search/ask his men to search for Bran & co or even think about the crypts after that.
I’m reading the first GOT book now, almost done and just realized from this video that Robb didn’t get any POVs. Interesting.
He never does
Always thought it weird that they made him a main character in the show
I think he internationally gives none of the kings POVs.
@@nothingtoospiffy7913 D&D said it was because of his acting and that of Cartlin starks. Even the writer fell in love with there scenes so they gave them more and more.
@@nothingtoospiffy7913 he is a main character in the books as well, just no pov. Bobby B didn't have any either, as mentioned above, yet their actions shook the entire continent of Westeros.
"killing children he was familiar with", lol I don't think he meant it but if the miller's wife's kids were Theon's, they certainly would be "familiar."
since, they might be his.
@@hayleymariewhoawhoa1804 and remember what happens to kinslayers, intentional or otherwise. Breaking hospitality on top of that and you got some pissed off forces.
Never thought about that. This is horrifying as fk!!
I think the one thing that was missing to really cement the dream as a prophecy was the lack of Catelyn, when it came to shame and disapproval for things Theon had done she was always present with a scowl. It’s odd that she was missing from a dream Theon was having out of guilt yet Lyanna and Brandon are there, then Robb walks in with wounds that would match his future demise.
Others here saying that that's because of lady stoneheart!
Benjen isn't there either though.
@@nickdentoom1173 There hasn’t been any proof of Benjen’s death, it’s assumed since he disappeared north of the wall but it IS possible he isn’t dead. Lady Stoneheart is likely the reason for Catelyn’s absence but it still seems odd that a vision of her was missing from his dream.
@@lunahyacinth6335 Yeah, but Benjen missing from the dream also means he isn't death yet.
Big love for your channel dude!! Your world exploring series are some of my favourite videos on the Internet ❤
What is dead may never die, but rise anew!
Harder and stronger!!!
If torgon the latecomer is anything to go by he ended up becoming king despite missing the kingsmoot. Also if anyone can show the iron born a better way by then end of the story. It's probably be theon.
The wolves will return, every single one of them.
One already did, and the others are waiting for the winter to come.
The lone wolfs died (Ned and Robb), but the pack will survive! (Jon, Sansa, Arya, Bran and Rickon)
I vaguely remember this and I did think it was prophetic especially when it describes Robb and Grey Wind. I definitely think Theon is influenced by Bloodraven and Bran as it is more clearly hinted at in Theon's ADWD chapters.
Thank you for making this video. Theon is one of my absolute favorite characters and I don't think there's enough discussion on his role in the story.
Lyanna's crown of blue roses... when Jon Snow is in the North with Mance Rayder, he hears a tale of a former King in the North with incredible skills as a bard, who sneaks across the Wall into Winterfell and steals the Stark King's daughter, leaving nothing but a pale blue rose. A year later, the Princess and a grandson are returned to Winterfell. Seems pretty direct connection with Lyanna [wearing the blue rose] running away with Rheagar to the Dawn Keep and having a son who would be in line to inherit Winterfell or be a king in turn.
Great video, as always
Hey dude, I absolutely LOVE your videos. They help me out a lot with figuring shit out. Just wanted to say thanks, have a nice day night or whatever
Another Great Video!!!
Then is a great character, I especially love his thoughts and think out loud
Has anyone made a video about what Tyrions game of "chess" with Aegon and what that could mean?
The game involves Aegon losing a Dragon to a Trebuchet and losing the game, becoming more cautious in the next game and losing for not using his Dragons enough. Plus other things involving Knights and Mountains.
@@888BigRed That chapter showed some of my favorite things about the books. Strategy, analysis and planned treachery, etc. Tyrian is a master political scientist of Asiof.
I haven't read the books. When did Tyrion meet Aegon? Or you mean Jon?
@@abhyudayanerwat8558 Tyrion meets Aegon in the books while aboard a ship to go meet Danny, I would read the books.
@@abhyudayanerwat8558 agon ,but dude I'ma say this. I was probably the last person on earth who was gonna read the books. I hated season 8 like everyone else and got tired of rewatching the earlier better seasons. Till I finally forced myself to checkout the first book on audible, best decision I ever fucking made. I recommend it to EVERYONE. The voice actor they got for thr book (Roy dotrice) is a fucking legend. Seriously dude check em out, your first audiobook is free anyways.
Man this chapter has similar horror vibes like brans chapter after he went north of the wall.
Haha your Three eyed raven video matches George's writing, it will be filled with countless subplots and small players but will take forever to make. Let's see if windows of winter comes out before you make that video.
We all know how that will turn out
For some reason, when the pale figures with long grim faces were mentioned as part of Theon’s dream, my first instinct was that they were the others and that’s why he had such a strong, unnerving reaction to them, even more so than his reaction to seeing people he actually knew as corpses. I don’t think the faces he saw were necessarily long dead Starks as I don’t think that would make him have such an extreme reaction and the mention of them being so pale seems more like a description of the others.
your videos are the best
Every point of view characters and the prophetic dreams are often represented in a metaphor ways
Nice vid man
I'm just finished with that chapter. Reading the books for the third time.
My belive is that the dreams Thron had was sent by Bran.
The reason why, well couple chapters earlier, Jon also had a wolfdream. He was in front of the weirwood, who had his brother face. And the sound of his name has come from the three. He had a tree eyes, he was a crow, and he said to Jon that he likes the dark beneath the ground. "No one can see you, but you can see them all". The three touched him and open his eyes.
It sound like Bran from Feast of the crows.
So the theory goes its not Bloodraven, it was Bran all along. He choose Bloodraven, not the other way around.
If anyone would ever read this comment it was something like Eren in Attack on Titans. He controlled the the whole story from beginning. He was the one who influence his own father to take a control of Founding titan.
Easily overlooked! I like that you bought up who was missing as well. Does that mean these people aren't dead or at least won't stay dead? That sort of fits the situation for the younger stark brothers who will be "killed" and yet live, as well as Jon who will likely be resurrected by Melisandre. Maybe it's a hint about Benjen Stark, perhaps he isn't dead either. I dunno, that's the only subtle hint I can think of. So if that's what you were leaning towards, I'd have to agree. Great video, every one better than the last. Keep up the good work!😊💜
No Benjen and No Catelyn ;)
Benjen (or Blackfish) probably is the Hooded Man!
Theon's speech in season 2 foreshadowed his own death in season 8
I can't wait any longer for Winds of Winter
This channel is one of four that's fulfills my needs for ASoIaF until TWOW is due.
Great theory!
What are the other 3, if you don’t mind me asking.
@@lesliemisaacs I'm curious as well.
The fall of theon is so understandable because it was never a fall at all he was always selfish and weak willed
He made up his own suffering and told himself he was treated unfairly by the Starks because he wanted to justify his cruel actions
Selfish and weak willed men are often in search of excuses
I would definitively say there was a fall between fighting for Robb and invading his old home while taking a child hostage...
I think u are confused even Ramsay admits how hard it was to break Theon
And he was treated unfairly as he was still a hostage livinig there against his will and up for execution should his father make something wrong
@@philippkoltermann3292 I think you're the one who's confused if you think Theon would ever be executed that's just what everyone told him
Theon is definitely more of a replacement than anything it makes a lot more sense than the former
@@tylerfletcher1982 then he didn’t make it up everyone else made it up
From his chapters we saw that was what he believed
BTW from catelyns chapters we see she also thought he would be executed in the case of a wronging in the side of balon
@@tylerfletcher1982 Theon my fav
But not biast lmao
Theon... Your a good man..... Thank u..... 🗡️☠️
I really like the image of the Tourney at about 7:50. Everyone looks how they should, and look like humans, except for Rhaegar and Lyanna, which is ironic
Be very wary of chronological order with dreams and events. You need in book events to clearly know what takes place and when, plus information needs to travel. G R R M deliberately sets chapters out of order to be confusing, even between books. People being send dreams is also possible and is instant, from somebody that already knows.
You should do asmr cause your voice is so soft and sleep inducing!
Imagine an audio book with this great voice
@@baldswordgaming9888 that’d be so awesome! 😍
That thumbnail though
Just finished ACOK and I actually really enjoyed Theons chapters tbh.
Will be around for the video
I'm reading the Clash of Kings graphic novel and just got to this part. Illustrated perfectly.
Same here. I just finished that chapter about ten minutes ago.
Good video🎥👍 🔥🐲
My guess of Lyanna bloody white dress would be a wedding dress and bloody from giving birth. Coulda go married same day baby cane who knows lol
Are you really closing this channel? Also, I love your insight on ASOIF.
Nah he was just making a jape.
5 years to go !
I was wondering if the lack of a dead Jon means Jon won't be dead in TWOW (I think it unlikely GRRM will leave him dead, but Preston Jacobs wants him to stay dead)
Thanks
Dracarys🔥🔥🔥 🐲
“Super long quote there, I know”
Three eyed raven is a show name. When referring to the books I suggest you use three eyed crow. And in the books, Brynden Rivers hasn't been confirmed to be the three eyed crow.
He’s all but confirmed in the books
@@swayback7375 No he's not 'all but confirmed'😂. When both the children of the forest and Brynden himself are asked by Bran, Meera and Jojen if Brynden is the three eyed crow...the children dodge the question and refer to him as the greenseer and Brynden seems puzzled by the name saying "A...crow?" then assums three eyed crow is in reference to his past position as a crow or rather a man of the night's watch.
@@kiritugeorge4684 bloodraven was a “crow” at one point
“I wore many names when I was quick, but even I had a mother, and the name she gave me at her breast was Brynden.[3]”
“I have my own ghosts, Bran. A brother that I loved, a brother that I hated, a woman I desired.” Daeron the 2nd brother he loved, aegor river’s the brother he hated. Shiera seastar the woman he desired
@@timothyoverton3393 That's fine and all but crow and three eyed crow are two very different things. Bloodraven acknowledges that he was a crow at one point but its clear that he was correcting Bran's three eyed crow wording with something he identified with. I mean, if we assume Bloodraven is the three eyed crow just because he was a crow at one point then shouldn't literally all of the night's watch be labeled three eyed crows? And sure, bloodraven had a special connection with eyes but it was never three eyes...it was always a thousand eyes and one. So why three eyed crow?
@@kiritugeorge4684 I’m not sure what your point is and I don’t mean that sarcastically
The “three eyed crow” is referred to as a crow by the children
He says his name is the same name as bloodraven
He’s an albino like bloodraven and has one eye like bloodraven?
Are you suggesting George is dropping those little clues to make us think it’s bloodraven when it’s not?
I wonder does this mean arya sansa bran rikon and jon will survive the books
They MUST, especially after everything they've been through (losing Ned, Robb and Catelyn, being betrayed by Theon, having their homelands taken off by 2 monsters in human skin (Roose and Ramsay), etc.), they're the ones, alongside Jaime and Brienne, who mostly deserves happy endings!
The One.
Before you close the channel down could you do a few theories. 1. Why were the faceless men in kings landing and what are they looking for. 2. What if. Its Shireen baratheon and not patchface having the dreams she just tells patchface (her only friend). She has the dragon blood from Stannis so she's a dreamer. A master talks about the nightmare she's always been plagued with and I think she knows she'll be sacrificed to wake the shadow dragons that Danny sees in the house of the undying. 3. Could it be the Arthur dayne that killed the white bull and whent. I have a few more but..
Also could The crowd eye have given a dragons egg to the faceless men to pay for his brothers death and now their looking for a book the hatch it.
Good stuff but probably not as likes at cause the dream is concluded, while others have been studied between books 5 and 6
what about the subtitles!!!
For the algorithm
3 eyed raven???
You sound very sick and or flamboyant in this video homie you're going way extra with your little voice
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the man roost torutred will be his death
0:51 Don't forget Small Paul talking to that Walker 😂
"Why'd you hurt that horse?! That was Marnie's horse!" 😂😂
I like Theons arc as Reek but I refuse to believe in any kind of redemption for him. Everything he has been put through is his punishment, not his penance.
He should never be redeemed or forgiven, just punished and made to suffer
i love theon, i wish they had never dismembered him :((((
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Does this mean arya and sansa will die
If i watched the show is ut still worth reading the books.
Yes. They are much better.
Can't believe this is even a question! Gotta read those books 📚 They'll improve your life
I read the books after watching the show. Totally worth it in my opinion. The first three books are still pretty similar plotwise, though the thematic differences are apparent, but from feast for crows on it's so different that even the plot has fairly little to do with the show anymore besides some loose resemblances. At least try feast for crows and dance with dragons. For me though, I read all five books and I liked them much better than the show version of similar events.
The show is poopy in comparison.
You guys were right. Like usual the books are better than the show, at least so far. Many such cases.
The show seemed somewhat homosexual/feminist/PC like other HBO programming, but the books are not so far. To me thats a good thing, I hate politics in entertainment.
BTW, Why is it always leftist politics in movies, where are the conservatives movies?
Theon's story arc isn't about redemption, it's about identity, he doesn't have to redeem himself to the Starks since he truly owed them nothing, the only Stark he owed something is dead now. Theon's arc is about realizing that he's neither Stark nor Greyjoy but just Theon. This is why I think Stannis will execute him early on in The Winds of Winter. Having him "rEdEeM HiMsElF tO tHe sTaRks" is some corny fairytale bullshit which I'm sure GRRM wouldn't do.
No it isn't lol. It's ehay happens when people experience guilt and a new-found appreciation in the normal, real world. And it's not like he owed them nothing??? They raised him, they fed him, they gave him opportunities. He chased the Stark from Winterfell. He owes them more than he could possibly repay.
@@bogregz He was a hostage, Ned knew it, Theon knew it, the rest of the Starks knew it. It's not like Theon would have lived a terrible life if he remained on the Isles. In fact, if he had stayed he would probably not have turned into the pathetic man he eventually became
He didn't owe the Starks anything
@@mike.n.n.7723
He was collateral, yes. But he was treated well, much better than he would have if he had been raised in the Iron Isles. If you think strength matters more than well-being, you're a farce.
Someone please, save this coment.
Perhaps
"royal blood has power" ... Theon does have royal blood, and there is a chance the two farm boys he burnt were his own, sure they weren't burned alive but black magic happened before with far less dramatic sacrifices like Varys' manhood... so I believe Theon got what he paid for... the isolate prophetic dream may be the spoil of his Kinslay.
WC!!!
Sup
Theon deserves what happened to him. But the characters who most consistently act in opposition to the best interest of their families are Catelyn and Sansa.
I heard something like closing the channel?
Hope not, but sounds like it.
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This video just said a whole bunch of nothing. You never came to any real conclusions, just wasted 10 minutes of my time
Come back with a good username and we might listen to you.
This vedio could have been like 5 minutes shorter honestly