THe last two seasons of the show should not exist. It butchers literally every single character. None of them are even remotely acting like their canonical selves.
I don't blame the actor. He was doing well with what he was given. I believe having read that he was very excited to bring his A game, thinking his depiction of Euron will be like in the books only to get disappointed himself by the horrible writing. Poor guy
@@UGotSerbed I know this is asoiaf video but the same exact thing happened with a The Walking Dead character/actor jesus. His comic counterpart was a bad ass motherfucker but the shows horrible writing didn't do their characters justice.
@@UGotSerbed My feelings as well. I think that Euron's actor would have been perfectly capable of handling the darker material, and I think he would have done well with it. It's just a shame that we didn't get to see it.
@@ikariyabiollante867 You wanna know the worse part ? The exact same thing happened to him in Ghost in the Shell. He got the role as a fan and while his character is way better than TV Euron in GitS, it is nowhere close to what it is in the original animated movie and the live action adaptation sucks. That guy is constantly fucked about playing the characters he is passionate about. Poor lad.
Maybe euron won already, but we will never know. He killed all the maesters that kind of write the Story we are reading. (I guess you could argue that bran wrote the books we are readingy him seeing all points of time that matter etc.)
@@dregrant6828 That's why I couldn't really get mad like everyone else. With every chapter the story gets more complex, not less and more threads are added instead of being done away with. Trying to translate that ever-growing complexity to the screen without 15 seasons and too much exposition is basically impossible.
so you're telling me while all these characters are fighting to be kings and queens, Euron is out here becoming a god... and the show didn't even expand on that but completely ignored it
They may as well have left himbout completely. He ends up having no impact on the story at large and his own story within the books is so involved and so dark that I think any show writers would have struggled to write him in.
@@Visitormassacre They were genuinely afraid of people writing it off as too nerdy or something if it leaned into the actual fantasy elements of the show too much. "Fantasy for people who hate fantasy" was a common way for the show to be described early on. There was actually a point where they were going to cut the DRAGONS out, but they realized that there was no way to write around them. The zombies get a pass because of The Walking Dead, I guess.
@@torinjones3221 I think it's more about how the anti-christ figure is what brings about Armageddon. Sure, the story goes that he is defeated in the end, but wreaks major havoc, deception, and bloodshed before that. Brings beings (monsters/demons) of utter horror from the sea and such. Think it's a fitting analogy to Euron.
@@torinjones3221 I have sorta noticed some symbolism in Euron's character, which reminds me a little bit of what the anti Christ will be like, so yeah I'm sure there were definitely some inspirations taken.
Gotta hand it to Aeron. Despite everything he's put through. He holds fast to his faith, warns Falia to run, and then tries to comfort her when she's tied alongside him. Euron couldn't break him, despite everything.
@@Sienisotanah aerons gotta go, he’s tied to the mast of the ship . It’ll be a good end to his char . A lot of people need to get chopped up in this next book before we get to falling actions
The books had me so stoked for Euron in the show because he was so engrossed in magic and myth. For him to just be a horny swarthy pirate in the show was hugely disappointing
Out of all the people on the show, I feel the most sympathy for the actor who played Euron. He read the books and was expecting a lovecraftian character who was the personification of evil. Instead he was given the personification of horny. The actor was good too, but man, he just got character assassinated.
Pilou Asbæk is a great actor, I have no doubt that he could have portrayed Euron as he is in the books if he had been given the chance. D&D instead wanted a character that just causes chaos for the sake of it without any form of deep motivation or background. Euron Greyjoy in the show personifies everything that is wrong with the last seasons and with D&D's approach.
@@Stereotype23 I just finished reading the "Fire Cannot Kill a Dragon" book about the TV show, and there they admint that they had no fucking clue how to portray Euron, so the actor who played him came up with the concept that he should be like a "rockstar pirate". True story (sadly)....
@@hungarianbeast Yeah its quite sad. It shows that Pilou is at least partly to blame for the way Euron is portrayed but I still think it's D&D's responsibility to guide the actors in the direction that they want the characters to be acted out. To be fair I think Pilou did a pretty good job at portraying a "rockstar pirate" but it has nothing to do with the true Euron Greyjoy and he would not have taken this approach if D&D had a clear vision of how the character should be or respected his portrayal in the books even a little bit.
@@Colddirector hey at least we got to know that the show script gives arya the power to teleport along with health hax, but most importantly, the power to turn any critic into a misogynist
Nobody knows if The Others are actually a threat or not, they are beautiful unique creatures with what seems to be their own culture and ambitions. The are not like the zombies depicted in the show.
The thing is, night king hasn't even appeared in the books nor do we know of he exists. All the best theories suggests eureon is the night king and will be the big threat to the westeros
@@vaxobedoidze3623 the first time I read about the others I thought about how terrifying they are because they are beautiful and cold. I imagined you would hear some like tingling crystals when they approach. I wasn't a fan of the show's design
I like how the events in the books literally SCREAM about how unimportant Kingdoms and politics are, that these cosmic threats to the very existence of Westeros are WAY MORE IMPORTANT, and D&D were just like "yeah but the iron throne tho"
But that's too topical, relating to things like Climate Change and Pollution. So of course, D&D just did what they thought would be a quick prelude to their Star Wars careers.
@@PennTankerGuy that makes sense. Making an ending like that would give more meaning to the series as a whole.That, at the end of the day, it's the planet that we inhabit(and care for) that is vital for our preservation,more so than the political and economical conflicts of each continent.
@@PennTankerGuy It's really scary how issues like Man Made Climate change give multinational corporations so much power. All the "solutions" proposed by the UN or politicians have literally been planned for years by Multinational corporations and politicians to give them power. It's terrifying how many people think these solutions will be good for the environment but in reality solutions like the green new deal or the UN intergovernmental panel on climate change will actually kill millions of people in the third world by not allowing them to develop. It's the biggest corporate takeover in the history of the world and will not help pollution. If we allow them to pass climate regulation corporations will be in charge forever
@@CensorWars Of course, so long as people trust in corporations and petty political figures who maintain the state apparatus which solely exists to benefit corporate interest, humanity is doomed. I find solace knowing though the earth wont necessarily be entirely damaged according to new research, it would be our extinction. New life would sprout eventually and the cycle would begin again.
This is the best way to start my Saturday: That Voice. That wit. Those visuals. The impending doom of Westeros by bloody hands of a sadistic lunatic. Heavenly.
Side note: a small detail in Aeron’s chapters in AFFC indicate he is somehow traumatized by the sound of a creaky door hinge. In one chapter, he is sleeping, and he seemingly hears the noise and awakes in fear. After reading The Forsaken, I think this is indicating he is hearing the door hinge of Euron entering his room at night from childhood.
Quite random, but while reading the clash of kings (yes I'm only there so trying not to read spoilers here😅) i seem to skip thru Theon Greyjoy's chapters. Could any of u book readers iterate why i mustn't skip to other more captivating side stories happening simultaneously..
euron is meant to be ramsey snow and oberyn martell as one guy, all the charm and swagger and deception and plotting of oberyn and all the evil and cruelty of ramsey
He can't even finish a book series (And I'm a psychologist grad, and have actual royal ties , unlike you! So it's funny an American thinks he can write uk history and rip us off while not our culture.. ... you treat that idiot as God when all he does is write rip off stories that never end aka Soap operas set in Britain, and he pimped himself out to any network who would take him , only cause they had the funding to do so... But now he backstabs those guys, too. You wouldn't have even heard of asoiaf without David benioff! So shut up
@@doxasophosmoros 1. Congratulations on graduating, I'm shocked you made it through with that level of writing skill. An amazing accomplishment, unlike whatever homeopathic royal blood connection you claim. 2. His writing draws on European history beyond just Britain. It also draws on American literature, and cultural practices from around the world. He also manages to create a world using these things that is pretty unique. 3. David Benioff is a ninny, DB Weiss was partly responsible for X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Both can S my D. 4. Your comment probably isn't even where you meant to put it, because it has very little to do with what I said. 5. Yes George really should get on with Winds of Winter. Goddammit.
I serve the king and god "bread". He was the one who started the riots in King's landing and shall end all those who oppose him in the long night. All hail the king and god bread.
I like the idea that Bloodraven "created" the guy who would bring about the apocalypse in his attempt to find the person who would prevent it. If Bloodraven hadn't tried to find Bran, would there have been Greenseer Euron at all? It's like with so many other characters - the more they try to prevent something, the more they make it happen. See Cersei and Maggy the Frog's prophecy. Let's see which catastrophe Mel will bring about in her attempt to prevent the Long Night.
She will probably wake the "stone Dragon" of Shirleens greyscale, devastating the Northmen with the disease when they should be fighting the Others. Or she will kill Ghost when Ghost-Jon is trying to protect something important to humanity's survival.
I love Maggie the Frog because the part where it says "gold will be their crowns and gold will be their shrouds" was based on the prophecy Nostradamus gave to Queen Catherine de Medici of France "Each of your sons will be king of France, but you will outlive them all." And she did outlive all of her sons and most of her daughters from the history records I looked up. So this was a very fascinating and eerie part of the show for me!
He physically resembles Alfie Allen, but he's far from physically matching Euron. His features are too soft, I always pictured Euron as very angular and lean. And they didn't even try to make him even remotely stand out, he has no raven hair, no blue lips, no eyepatch - he just looks so plain and regular.
I was staying in a hotel in France when reading the book and had a dream that Euron and his crew was breaking into my room. I tried to escape out the window but was no use. Euron did one of his scary monologues and drowned me in the toilet. Sounds funny but so scary and vivid. Then I watched the show and I've slept like a baby ever since.
I think the show really struggled with magic. They excelled at the earthly aspects of the books but Bran, Euron, Melisandre, and other magical elements really weren't translate well.
@@dragonstouch1042 I also think that A song of ice and fire's magic its difficult to portray since its very obscure and abstract (which I love) since is not a spell fest. But Im not saying this to defend D&D they messed up the story to a point I wasn't interested on it anymore until I watched House of the Dragon
The actor even read the books and was dissapointed in how Euron wasn't written like he was in the books. He could have pulled it off so well. Such a huge missed opportunity.
I *ALSO* want Eldritch power, so that when *"the Winds of Winter"* comes out I can contact my great-great-great-great-grandchildren from my grave and have them read it to me.
Whether it ends or not, what George wrote is incredible, monumental. It's like Berserk, a world in constant evolution that becomes more and more dantesque making it difficult to tie in. Let's hope Martin and Miura find a way to finish their story. If not, then we'll read other amazing stuff.
Euron says he threw a dragon egg into the sea. In Persian myth, throwing a dragon into the sea makes them stronger because they can grow bigger, like Odin throwing Jormungandr into the sea and he grew til he encircled the world (Euron wears an eye-patch, quite likely can disguise himself, seeks to be a sorceror god, so that sounds like another of Martin's recurring Odin figures). That egg, it's probably going to come back and bite someone in the butt.
Yeah, I tend to agree there. Most are convinced that by "threw it in the sea", meant he used it to pay the Faceless Men to kill Balon. Either is possible, but I lean to the former.
I was super surprised when Melisandre came out with her shit, I didn’t know there even was definite magic in that world. I like that, how GRRM calls it a low magic world or whatever
@@thedumbdog1964 melisandres POV is the best imo. It completely changes everyones perception of melisandre. She isnt an evil liar,just the flawed messenger of a very real deity
Right? Just as an outsider who’s never even seen a full episode of the show, I almost thought there was no magic at all except whatever was going on with the dragons and the White Walkers. Meanwhile, I watch two of these lore videos and it seems like the books are a totally different series entirely
Euron is way too hardcore for Westros, he belongs in Warhammer or something. And this is why I like the way GRRM does fantasy. His approach to the genre is so much more diverse than others. It leaves room for that sense of adventure and wonder, but also sheds light on the absolutely horrifying aspects of living in such a world where monsters and magic exist... and psychopaths like Euron can utilize both if they are smart enough. It's like ASOIAF inhabits a space between the more mainstream high fantasy of Lord of The Rings... and Warhammer Fantasy where everything sucks and we're all probably gonna die in some horrible fashion sooner rather than later.
Mm good points. ASOIAF is low fantasy ( by genre ), whereas LOTR is high fantasy. So it stands to reason that ASOIAF leans slightly more towards the Grimdark of Warhammer.
@pyropulse I have to disagree, LOTR is pretty straight forward good vs evil, the bad guys are simplistic in the extreme while the good guys are paragons of virtue. This is the polar opposite of ASOIAF and Warhammer Fantasy, where it can honestly be said there are no good guys and very few truly one dimensional evil villains. There are no Tywin Lannister's in LOTR, or Roose Bolton's. There are no Jaime Lannister's or Jon Snow's. It's all pretty black and white. The characters in ASOIAF and even Warhammer Fantasy are actually much more "human" than those in Tolkien's works.
pyropulse yep I think it would be a pretty hard case to make that Lotr is anything other than high fantasy - a world of lofty idealism where heroism and the determination of the individual spirit triumphs over greed and destruction and death. Low fantasy like ASOIAF and warhammer take these ideals and smash them to pieces. :)
Euron is ASOIAF's Nagash--born into a royal family but passed over for the throne, learns dark magic and travels the world, comes back home and overthrows his brother in a coup, and has long-term plans for apocalyptic world domination. However, the Iron Islands are a small nation with a relatively weak tradition of magic compared to Khemri, so he has his work cut out for him.
I LOVE Euron as a villain. For one thing, it's kind of refreshing that a prospective "dark lord" is basically a pirate without even the pretentions of royalty or iron-fisted dictatorship. You know, chaotic evil, not lawful evil. Secondly, I like seeing this from the reverse perspective. It's like getting a Sauron origin story before Lord of the Rings. Only there's no modern Wicked or Maleficent re-write that tries to cast the villain in a tragic light. Euron's story is compelling not because we root for him, it's absorbing because watching someone say, "I want to take over the world with dark magic" and watch him actually make strides to accomplishing that goal is frightening!
Tyrion's first appearance with Jon Snow in S1E1 is after a bender instead of spending the night in the Winterfell library in the book. Very much fits with D&D's fratboy mentality.
18:00 "Old Town is a powder keg of dormant magic powers... and Euron's coming for it with a lit match, sailing on a sea of blood." They should have hired you to co-write seasons 6+.
he traded the egg for his brothers life, so when he says "i threw it into the sea" hes telling the truth since he considers his brothers life to be equal to the egg
Go and read the chapter about The forsaken in the winds of winter. It is online if you need to read it. There you will see for yourself just how mad Euron truly is. This may not be as crazy as you think it is. Euron is definitely planning something big and evil.
You haven't read the books, when it comes to anything magic related shit gets 1-100 really fucking fast. Euron's introduction is using a dragon horn that screeches so loud that everyone thinks it's the worst sound ever, murdering the man who blows the horn and his crew is only manned by magicians and mystics with their tongues cut out. Fast forward to the spoiler chapter, mother fucker is killing every priest from every religion and putting them to the prow of his ship along with his salt wife who is pregnant with his child. No that's no theory, that's how wild Euron's chapters are
@@Longshanks1690 not if he succeeds he isn't. And considering how things are paying out, how magic has returned, he might not only be right, but succeed in setting in motion a cataclysm like nothing Westeros has seen in thousands of years.
@ZaLewdWarudo Yeah, and maybe Aerys was right! If King’s Landing did burn down, maybe he would have turned into a dragon! Characters are never wrong about anything and if they say it, that means we should always take it 100% seriously and never examine the context behind why a man who spent years in effective social isolation has a god complex! This is tiresome. Euron is a deranged psychopath with an inflated ego and delusions of grandeur, he is literally nothing more than that. The fact that the fan base is so desperate for any magic in this series they’ll cling to any hope of it is irrelevant to the truth of what’s going on, especially when it doesn’t make any sense within the established mythology of the series. Because let’s assume for one moment he’s right, and he becomes an elder god...then what? What can any of our characters do to combat him that would fill two books which are going to take over a decade to write at this point? If you are right, then either everyone dies or George will have to Deus Ex this story in a way that will make us beg for the coherency of “The Long Night.”
@@Longshanks1690 You don't have to be a pompous douche about it, magic does exist in ASOIAF and plays a huge role in the lore so who knows... Euron can be a deranged megalomaniac and also be correct about fulfilling a prophecy to end the world. I mean GRRM loves prophecies so we'll just have to wait and see
I am in awe once more of the depth to themes this series represents. Its amazing and jaw-dropping. Never saw the correlation between the series title "A Song of Ice and Fire" against Euron representing "Silence."
The show fucked everything up after DoD ,but to be fair he is an enigma only introduced at the kingsmoot.We do not know much of what he wants or his true intent.Yeah sure he bows to no man and is a free spirit and devious.However unless we get a Euron chapter in WoW.We won't glean much ,unless through Victarion or his red priest revealing the threat
I remember the moment when euron show up for the he first time in season 5 I think , I was shocked how stupid he looked haha I was expecting the horn the creepiness of the scene but it was so dull. The houses that had the worst portrayal were the Greyjoys and Dorne
"He's a scary, manipulative murderer, a charismatic politician and a psychedelic sorcerer hungry for apocalyptic power....He wants cosmic,eldritch power". I love this description,it is so very apt. Love your work.
@@gfilmer7150 Almost certainly. It wasn't until my second read-through that I noticed G.R.R.M's wink to the readers as the attendants of the Kingsmoot, cheered Euron on by yelling "EURON KING, Euron KING". I thought "Hmmm, that's strange, they never did that with Renly, Stannis or Robb- And it hit me like a tonne of bricks, knowing the context of just how dark Euron is: Euron King=Night King.
It’s useless now, but I always felt like Euron and the wildings both had the wrong horn that they thought they did. Just imagine, the Greyjoys blow Euron’s horn in order to manipulate Danny, but instead the Wall disintegrates thousands of leagues away!
“You’ve lost, Dragon Queen! Now we shall take your dragon!” *blows horn, nothing happens* “Huh, why didn’t it work?” “…Does anyone else hear a bunch of ice breaking?”
So the Free Folk blow a mighty blast loud enough to shatter Tormund's member, and Dany's dragons fall in love with...who? Bran? Jon, who wakes up from death? Mance? Lacey Mormont? Anyhow they fly to that person and lick her or his face!
The moment I saw Euron in the show and he didn't even have an eye patch I knew another character was about to be ruined. I had no idea just how badly, though. Took one of the actual most mysterious and potentially threatening forces in the series and made him... just some really thirsty dude, I guess?
Euron Greyjoy is such a wonderful source of creative inspiration for writing a villain. George RR Martin takes him from being this nobody character mentioned once early on in the story off-handedly; the middle child of a family ruling over a bunch of illiterate, violent idiots; to being a serious political contender, to eventually being framed as possibly the final boss of the series. The way he just swaggers into the story as if he was always meant to be there, and immediately asserts his claim before leading his rabble on a violent crusade across the country in search of his goals. The way that he is framed, over the course of a single book, as one of the most unrepentantly evil characters in the whole show; pissing in the face of everything other people fear or abhor. He makes numerous seemingly impossible claims, some of which he has evidence for, others he does not, leading one to question where the lies begin and what he is truly capable of. There's something truly striking about the image of an insane sorcerer pirate, standing in the face of a great storm as all hell breaks loose around him, and he's just smiling.
The description of book Euron is one of my all time favorite descriptions of a villain. A madman who isn't scared of gods' punishments and decides to make himself a god. Martin has cited Stan Lee's Marvel as a major influence, and it's easy to see some comparisons between Euron and one of Marvel's greatest villains, Dr Doom. Doom is arrogant to a fault, is a sorcerer, has sacrificed a woman who loved him for personal power, and wears a special suit of armor. Traits shared with Euron.
Actually the source is in the Bible. Euron completely is the archetype of the anti Christ. Book of Revelation. George RR Martin definitely has read the Bible because his story resembles a lot of Biblical past figures. And many events too, meaning as influential, not direct. Seeing this video, the entire time while watching it I was just thinking of the Book of Revelation and how it has influenced George’s writing.
“Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?” And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If anyone has an ear, let him hear. He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” Revelation 13:1-10 NKJV
Something tells me he's going to go out in one of the most pathetic ways we've seen in the books. If theres one thing the books have been consistent about is that ambition always ends tragically. The bigger the ambition, the more tragic the ending
I think it would probably be too expensive, not all studios have the money, equipment and talent to make animated movies. The few companies that do have experience making animated movies and dominate the market wouldn't be interested in an animated adaptation of a song of ice and fire. Mainly because there is a still a widespread belief among most adults that animated shows and movies are for kids and a song of ice and fire being animated will definitely make a lot of people mad.
They'll only be able to do that if GRRM finally finishes writing the books. TWOW is coming out this year(hopefully) but when the fudge will ADOS come out? Another ten years? I really hope GRRM is secretly working on both of the books simultaneously and that's why he's taking so much time.
"So Euron constantly mocks and perverts everything that people believe in - he kinslays, blasphemes, breaks every taboo just cause he can." Well Euron is basically a CK2 character...
dany bey Crusader Kings II. It’s a medieval dynastic simulator where you can play some of history’s most infamous lineages, or create your own dynasty. I wed the King of Sweden to my aids-ridden, lustful daughter. He got infected and they both died. I was next in line to the throne. I did it on purpose. See, while Littlefinger was busy playing the Game of Thrones, I’m playing 5-dimensional Cyvasse. There’s also an ASoIaF version to this game. Gave Game of Thrones the ending I wanted lol. You can also play as Rhaegar during the rebellion and try to win. Honestly, great game.
I get what you mean, but I think Griffith's vibes are more satanesque, someone whose destiny is to fall and he can't change that even if he tried (or at least that's what the story portraits) Griffith did some awful things before the eclipse but he never intended that to happen, he wanted his ascension to be as peaceful as it could be, he didn't have a problem killing for that but he did what he could to avoid a biblical bloodbath and he kinda triggered the e eclipse by "accident" cause at that point he just wanted to die. Griffith is a leaf at the winds will, Euron is a storm
The difference is that griffith before becoming a husk wasn't as cruel as euron, yes griffith had done some evil things but it wasn't as constant as eurons. Plus the entire point of the behlit is to sacrifice what you hold dear to you and what keeps you anchored to humanity in exchange for ultimate power and to become a servant of the godhand in exchange for the apostles. While griffith may not have cared for the rest of the band of the hawk, he did care for guts and arguably casca, griffith also had dreams of one day becoming a king not a god, the behlit only activates when the person holding them is at their lowest point. Euron on the other hand cares for noone and while also having a similar dream for power like griffith, euron will eventually turn on those who have been loyal to him. With miuras death however we will never know what the true plans of griffith and the godhand are, I am hoping that martin won't fallow in his footsteps and will be able to finish his work and hopefully give us a new and better show.
This episode is arguably your best ever. It harkens to a time when untold story arcs left wonder and mystery in the world of GoT. What the narratives of the television series failed to meet, this theory video brilliantly exceeds. The depth of one character, the stakes for the our beloved, flawed heroes and villains and thus the stakes for the ultimate endgame of the story all together: this video, tactfully deciphers. Bravo, Alt Shift X!
Book Euron: Sadistic, bloodthirsty nihilist who’s willing to slaughter untold numbers of friend and foe alike and unleash unspeakable eldritch horrors into the world so that he can achieve godhood. TV Euron: Horny frat boy with a pirate fleet
D&D really did Pilou Asbaek dirty. Even though my mental casting was for an older actor in the David O'Hara mold (Mad Stephen the Irishman from "Braveheart"), Asbaek really felt like he could be a fantastic choice for Euron -- and we saw glimmers of the Euron from the novels in his performance. The scene with his raid on the Sand Snakes showed the dizzying savagery the Crow's Eye is capable of, and we saw in that moment that Asbaek could've been legendary if he'd been given the part to play in the books. The biggest failing of Euron is that they neglected to build him up. They needed to have him show up in Season 3 at least (with vague mentions of the Silence being spotted here and there). If you *had* to keep the Yara rescuing Theon storyline, just have Balon die at the start of Season 4, Euron show up to claim the throne, and Yara realizing her only way of retaining hold on the islands is to get her brother back. That sets up Euron as a major threat and builds him up over time. But of course, they failed.
Stephen Davis Exactly! I’d say have the people of Qarth mention the Silence in season 2, kill Balon near the end of season 3 and introduce Euron, at the latest, in season 4. Victarion starts travelling to Daenerys at the end of the season, whilst Euron’s story continues. If Euron does plan to attack Oldtown, he does so in season 6.
Euron Greyjoy is, inarguably, the greatest crime that the showrunners of GOT committed. What should have been BY FAR the most sinister, and dangerous, villainous character of the entire series... instead got sidelined as a dimwit who happened to be good at being a pirate, and whose ultimate goal was to screw Cersei Lannister (just like every other dude in that TV series, it seems). He was nothing special, in the end. In fact, if anything he was more annoying than fearsome. His greatest accomplishment in the series was "ambushing" and killing one of Danaerys' dragons (in the stupidest manner imaginable), in a scene that makes so little logical sense it should never have even been okayed to air on television! Sorriest excuse of all... when he goes down. He goes down like a right "bitch" and dies laughing on the rocks in King's Landing after getting his ass kicked in a standard swordfight, by Jamie Lannister. Whoop-de-freakin'-doo! What Dan & Dave did to Euron's character is something I will never forgive them for! Because he is so much better, and so much more menacing a villain, in the books. GRRM will do things the right way... it just sucks that we seemingly have to wait 50 years for Book 6 to even come out...
It's like they read Cersei's AFFC chapters and only remembered the parts where she has sex with the Kettleblacks, while completely missing out on and of the themes connected to her chapters. And then they just included Euron because they really really really liked Pirates of the Carribean and never read ADWD.
For me it was Doran Martell. Him and the Young Griff plotline was for me such an intricate political scheme. Highlights also Varys's darker side that the show completely excluded.
They also did the polar opposite of Euron: transforming maybe the most gentle and good character in the books into a mean spirited harpy: Ellarya Sand. If only they had changed her name.
Which fantasy elements do you want to include in this book series George? Yes What sci fi elements do you wish to include? Yes Okay but please no zombies or dinosaurs okay? Okay George? No
Jethro Reading agreed the books can give details like no movie adaptation can ! people would’ve thought the shit in the books was too weird or too confusing for the show
it's even harder because it's so easy to say "maybe some day in the future, they'll tell it again, only it'd be a proper adaptation" but even IF they did, it's hard because the truth is game of thrones used to be amazing. yes, they cut and changed some things even from the very beginning but who honestly gave a shit at first? who didn't think it was the greatest tv had to offer for its first 4 seasons?
I'm not so sure the three eyed crow is to be trusted, one thing that worries me is Melissandre who may be in the service of the Other(she is very quick to use shadows, and glamours that are used for misdirection)She openly claims to serve the lord of light but has used shadows in her quest to serve Stannis.Now the bigger worry is in DoD right off the bat the 3eye crow tells Bran to embrace the darkness to learn magic.They obviously do their studies in a cave, but still the word choice is ominous. We could be in for a shock maybe the original 3eye crow was such an adept of magic that he learnt the darkest art, to watch into humans for ever just body snatching, and he is now in Euron, or at least a part of him is and now he wants Bran to stop Euron in effect fighting his dark magic through another vessel
@@thekrakensdaughter Euron is a Warhammer 40k Demonlord of Chaos, despite being a side character and Young Griff's entire presence requires another war to be detailed and to be tied in with the Dunk & Egg novels that have come out/are coming out. As the world Martin created is being fleshed out more and more, characters with global implications just become so much harder to fit in, without breaking what is already there.
I also think GRRM was affected by how the shows ending wasn’t well received. He denies it but I think he’s re writing many parts to separate it more from the show.
The series hasn’t been finished simply because GRRM is of the opinion that itll be a legacy to leave it on a cliffhanger. A fantastical story that never got a conclusion? The stuff of legend. Except he doesn’t realize that history will not care about a book series adapted into a horrendously ended show, that was never finished before the author died of eating too many twinkies.
@@ryanhampson673I don't necessarily think so, the shows are very different just on a fundamental level so I think it could end in somewhat the way but it would be way different no matter what had happened. Imo.
The best theory (as in, the coolest), would be that he *did* throw that dragon egg into the sea, and is using all of this blood magic on the ocean to birth some kraken-dragon beast (maybe an alternative version of the "when the kraken weds the dragon"...threat?). That would be a hectic f*cking creature.
He uses "threw it into the sea" as a double meaning. I think Euron is being metaphorical, equating Balon to the egg. He paid a faceless man a dragon egg to throw balon into the sea, so in a way he did throw the egg into the sea lol. Euron had a way with words.
"History is a wheel..." "The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again."
Cryogenically frozen dude - "well I froze my self because I wanted to meet Shakespeare and I figured that time was elliptical." Fry - "Nope, straight line"
I wonder if “throwing the egg into the sea” was a literal metaphor for having Balon thrown into the sea. He used the egg to pay for his brother being tossed into the ocean, which in essence was throwing the egg itself into the sea. Edit: typo
Euron is the most mysterious, insane and hardcore character in the whole series. The way the showrunners butchered his character is just..... atrocious.
Preach. I almost forget the crap the show has made every time I watch Alt Shift X. Credits where credits are due but Dumb and Dumber, they had the chance and they wasted it.
This was truly an amazingly powerful breakdown and analysis. The script was gold. Very fine job! I got goosebumps and my anticipation for the next book is off the charts (again).
Literally after reading the Forsaken chapter I cannot stop thinking about it even days later. My head is spinning harder than after reading the Red Wedding or the pink letter. When will this damn book come out.
@@khalduras784 you should stop with all this nonsense. the actor literally said that he didnt read the books at all. People are trying to make it seem like he was disappointed,when he was probably as clueless as the rest
@@niranjanrajesh1058 no he himself said that he went and read on euron's character from the books. I didnt say that he read all 5-6 books as if he's some old fan like Barristan's actor did. Literally one of his earliest interviews back when he was first reported to have joined the cast as euron, he hypes up euron as comparing him to ramsay basing it on what he read up on euron. He couldve read like a wiki post for all we know
I think that one more thing that should be theorized in the connection between Euron and the Bloodstone Emperor is a possible matter of descendancy. In the World of Ice and Fire it is said that the Ironborn myth says they came not from the first men, though east, but through the Sunset Sea. And what most problably lies on the other side of it is a shoreline close to Ashai and Stygai. A place wich problably was part of the Great Empire of the Dawn, wich existed untill the Long Night. Just as Dany and those of purple eyes might be related to the Amethyst Empress, Euron and perhps all of he ironborne might be related to the Bloodstone Emperor. So he might have died, but not quite perished.
Just checked subs and saw no updates. Went back and bam, here we go. You're the only channel I watch about ASOIAF because you still make incredibly high quality, informative videos. Please never stop :)
Check out Preston Jacobs. Him and Alt are probably the best. Glidus is also pretty funny. Preston's takes are out there, but I think he's on to a lot of things (Dany's past, Euron's intentions, Tyrells intentions, Pink letter, Stannis, Northern conspiracy, you name it). Preston has a whole series about the Ironborn and Euron. Alt, I think, purposely left out Euron's "I will make an heir worthy of HIM" (paraphrase) because Preston caught that one. Who is "him"? I thought Euron was a godless man? The great other? Who knows. All we know is that Euron is about to fuck up Paxter's fleet and probably take Oldtown
@@timocruz510 The "him" you refer to is just Euron himself, speaking in the third person. www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/54ekg7/spoilers_main_no_to_make_an_heir_thats_worthy_of/
@@gustavoritter7321 Exactly, Euron will invoke the powers of the 'Other', aka the Drowned God.. the god the red priests keep talking about as the opposite to R'llhor ... thus Euron will command the white walkers (who represent ice/snow, which is just another form of water) and also the Deep Ones, which are monsters from the deeps of the sea. Euron will be the bringer of the (new) Long Night, to drown the world in darkness, He is the Kraken, he is the sea coming to swallow the world. Even Patchface said if I remember correctly, that under the sea it is black as night. Euron / the Drowned God is the actual super threat to the world, and most characters that have some sort of prophetic capacity so far have predicted it in some way or another...
One interesting thing about Euron is how he compares to all the other characters who believe they can flirt with war, chaos, and raw power to achieve their goals and be able to control the outcome (Doran through absurd caution, Dany with her dragons, Bloodraven and his greenseer shenanigans, etc.) Then you have Euron, Littlefinger, Roose, even Bronn to an extent. The other characters have admirable (or at least semi-admirable) goals: Free the slaves, free the North, bring evil people to justice with minimum loss of life, depose usurpers, etc. But that means they have scruples, and when the chaotic "storm of swords" rages the unencumbered rise to the top while those weighed down by rules and honor are pulled under. Euron is like Litterfinger on crack: Both *intentionally* provoke the uncontrollable storm for their own advantage, but the latter only wants a country in chaos, while the former wants *global/cosmic* chaos.
Something just clicked in my head when you were mentioning when Euron arrives and leaves, silence is mentioned. In the prologue, the Others are described using the some variation of silence several times I believe. "they moved on silent feet" for example. Very interesting.
I remember listening to your videos a year ago, when I hadn't read the book yet, and thinking "wow there is so much I don't know". Now I've read them, and even though it is still quite fresh in my mind, listening to your vidéos make me realize there is still so much I don't know
Book Euron: "I am your king. I am your god. Worship me."
Show Euron: "Finga in da bum?"
THe last two seasons of the show should not exist. It butchers literally every single character.
None of them are even remotely acting like their canonical selves.
"I'm the man who killed Jaime Lannister".
No it was the rock
goes to show how writers are reflected in their writing.
"ei wanna fuck da queeeeeeeeeen"
Someone else who gets that season 7 as well should be de-canon'ed.
"a goofy pirate who talks about fingers in bums." That's a nice way to sum up show Euron.
I don't blame the actor. He was doing well with what he was given. I believe having read that he was very excited to bring his A game, thinking his depiction of Euron will be like in the books only to get disappointed himself by the horrible writing. Poor guy
@@UGotSerbed I know this is asoiaf video but the same exact thing happened with a The Walking Dead character/actor jesus. His comic counterpart was a bad ass motherfucker but the shows horrible writing didn't do their characters justice.
@@UGotSerbed My feelings as well. I think that Euron's actor would have been perfectly capable of handling the darker material, and I think he would have done well with it. It's just a shame that we didn't get to see it.
A goofy character talking about silly stuff is a good way to summarise the last season of GOT.
No cause it's confirmed they end the SAME WAY. Germ grrm himself said so.. how many hints do you idiots need ?
You know what sucks is the actor read the books and fell in love with Euron.... and he got what we got big sad twice lol
@@ikariyabiollante867 You wanna know the worse part ?
The exact same thing happened to him in Ghost in the Shell.
He got the role as a fan and while his character is way better than TV Euron in GitS, it is nowhere close to what it is in the original animated movie and the live action adaptation sucks.
That guy is constantly fucked about playing the characters he is passionate about.
Poor lad.
@@deltaone2837 BIG OOF
Samr thing with Barristan's actor :(
@@deltaone2837 Dude couldn't catch a break.
What if... DnD actually got book Euron and Victarion muddled up, and show Euron was based upon Victarion instead?
“Euron threatens to silence the song of ice and fire.” So Euron is a manifestation of GRRM’s procrastination?
Maybe euron won already, but we will never know.
He killed all the maesters that kind of write the Story we are reading.
(I guess you could argue that bran wrote the books we are readingy him seeing all points of time that matter etc.)
Euron committed the gravest murder of all. George's motivation and creativity. 😱😱
You know what. This is how I'm making my peace with the books never getting finished. Simply, Euron Crow's Eye had won
Lol. Yes, it certainly appears that way.
Time & Heart disease are rhe biggesthreats to the song of ice & fire
The entire series summarized: “In the books, it’s more . . . complicated.”
And fulfilling.
@@Grewyn7 and better
Sort of standard with adaptations at this point, if they really wanted GoT to be precise it would have like 15 seasons.
@@dregrant6828
And non talentless hack writers at the helm.
@@dregrant6828 That's why I couldn't really get mad like everyone else. With every chapter the story gets more complex, not less and more threads are added instead of being done away with. Trying to translate that ever-growing complexity to the screen without 15 seasons and too much exposition is basically impossible.
so you're telling me while all these characters are fighting to be kings and queens, Euron is out here becoming a god... and the show didn't even expand on that but completely ignored it
It's kind of like an evil version of jon, who thought there was more important things to do than fight over a chair
They may as well have left himbout completely. He ends up having no impact on the story at large and his own story within the books is so involved and so dark that I think any show writers would have struggled to write him in.
@@Visitormassacre the show didn't want to expand on anything
@@Visitormassacre They were genuinely afraid of people writing it off as too nerdy or something if it leaned into the actual fantasy elements of the show too much. "Fantasy for people who hate fantasy" was a common way for the show to be described early on. There was actually a point where they were going to cut the DRAGONS out, but they realized that there was no way to write around them. The zombies get a pass because of The Walking Dead, I guess.
Euron playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers
Book Euron: The actual anti christ
Show Euron: "I HAVE BIG PEE PEE"
The anti-christ is a false messiah so no not even close
@@torinjones3221 I think it's more about how the anti-christ figure is what brings about Armageddon. Sure, the story goes that he is defeated in the end, but wreaks major havoc, deception, and bloodshed before that. Brings beings (monsters/demons) of utter horror from the sea and such. Think it's a fitting analogy to Euron.
@@torinjones3221:)
Oisin Lynch show euron: FinGeR iN thE BuM
@@torinjones3221 I have sorta noticed some symbolism in Euron's character, which reminds me a little bit of what the anti Christ will be like, so yeah I'm sure there were definitely some inspirations taken.
Gotta hand it to Aeron. Despite everything he's put through. He holds fast to his faith, warns Falia to run, and then tries to comfort her when she's tied alongside him. Euron couldn't break him, despite everything.
This. It's honestly really respectable
Fr tho. Eurons been his tormentor since childhood but he finely breaks free. although in a unfortunate way
Maybe Aeron gets lucky with all that ambient magic around, and gets resurrected as something that kills Euron.
@@Sienisotanah aerons gotta go, he’s tied to the mast of the ship . It’ll be a good end to his char . A lot of people need to get chopped up in this next book before we get to falling actions
@@elijahrodriguez647 people are still holding out for martin to finish ASOIAF?
‘In the books he’s a brilliant character.’ I think that phrase covers everything without saying it directly
Facts
The books had me so stoked for Euron in the show because he was so engrossed in magic and myth. For him to just be a horny swarthy pirate in the show was hugely disappointing
Out of all the people on the show, I feel the most sympathy for the actor who played Euron. He read the books and was expecting a lovecraftian character who was the personification of evil. Instead he was given the personification of horny. The actor was good too, but man, he just got character assassinated.
that, plus the actor is much too handsome and normal looking for the monster described in the books.
@@robertmaybeth3434 don’t forget so is book Euron. He is just manipulative.
Pilou Asbæk is a great actor, I have no doubt that he could have portrayed Euron as he is in the books if he had been given the chance. D&D instead wanted a character that just causes chaos for the sake of it without any form of deep motivation or background. Euron Greyjoy in the show personifies everything that is wrong with the last seasons and with D&D's approach.
@@Stereotype23 I just finished reading the "Fire Cannot Kill a Dragon" book about the TV show, and there they admint that they had no fucking clue how to portray Euron, so the actor who played him came up with the concept that he should be like a "rockstar pirate". True story (sadly)....
@@hungarianbeast Yeah its quite sad. It shows that Pilou is at least partly to blame for the way Euron is portrayed but I still think it's D&D's responsibility to guide the actors in the direction that they want the characters to be acted out. To be fair I think Pilou did a pretty good job at portraying a "rockstar pirate" but it has nothing to do with the true Euron Greyjoy and he would not have taken this approach if D&D had a clear vision of how the character should be or respected his portrayal in the books even a little bit.
Show: Winter is coming.
Books: Turns out winter might be the least of your problems.
Show: lol nope, back to that petty useless war for the throne
@@Colddirector hey at least we got to know that the show script gives arya the power to teleport along with health hax, but most importantly, the power to turn any critic into a misogynist
Well North is the only region Whights damaged.
Squisher apocalypse!!
@@Troupe-z9w Ok yes, however is not thar farfetched the fact that Arya could be the nightking's slayer... however jon snow would be more logical.
Honestly, Euron sounds like a more terrifying final threat than the White Walkers.
Nobody knows if The Others are actually a threat or not, they are beautiful unique creatures with what seems to be their own culture and ambitions. The are not like the zombies depicted in the show.
The thing is, night king hasn't even appeared in the books nor do we know of he exists.
All the best theories suggests eureon is the night king and will be the big threat to the westeros
No, he is going to lead them.
@@vaxobedoidze3623 the first time I read about the others I thought about how terrifying they are because they are beautiful and cold. I imagined you would hear some like tingling crystals when they approach. I wasn't a fan of the show's design
@@Diogolindir i imagine whit walker like io on Dota 2, like ice spirit sphere
I like how the events in the books literally SCREAM about how unimportant Kingdoms and politics are, that these cosmic threats to the very existence of Westeros are WAY MORE IMPORTANT, and D&D were just like "yeah but the iron throne tho"
Or “Muh queen”
But that's too topical, relating to things like Climate Change and Pollution. So of course, D&D just did what they thought would be a quick prelude to their Star Wars careers.
@@PennTankerGuy that makes sense. Making an ending like that would give more meaning to the series as a whole.That, at the end of the day, it's the planet that we inhabit(and care for) that is vital for our preservation,more so than the political and economical conflicts of each continent.
@@PennTankerGuy It's really scary how issues like Man Made Climate change give multinational corporations so much power. All the "solutions" proposed by the UN or politicians have literally been planned for years by Multinational corporations and politicians to give them power. It's terrifying how many people think these solutions will be good for the environment but in reality solutions like the green new deal or the UN intergovernmental panel on climate change will actually kill millions of people in the third world by not allowing them to develop. It's the biggest corporate takeover in the history of the world and will not help pollution. If we allow them to pass climate regulation corporations will be in charge forever
@@CensorWars Of course, so long as people trust in corporations and petty political figures who maintain the state apparatus which solely exists to benefit corporate interest, humanity is doomed. I find solace knowing though the earth wont necessarily be entirely damaged according to new research, it would be our extinction. New life would sprout eventually and the cycle would begin again.
In the books: Euron went wild with his third eye.
In the show: Euron went wild with his third leg..
The Zexal good job Einstein.
@The Zexal r/woooosh
a fiNgER in tHE bUUUUMMM
Haha ! How do you let such a formidable antagonist get killed by his own dick?!?!
🤣🤣🤣💀
This is the best way to start my Saturday:
That Voice.
That wit.
Those visuals.
The impending doom of Westeros by bloody hands of a sadistic lunatic.
Heavenly.
Rhythmchyc , yep, just woke up and was Cruz’n through TH-cam & found this gem. Takes me back ... thanks Alt
It’ll probably stay impending for a while, knowing George.
ASX is the best
What wit?
Side note: a small detail in Aeron’s chapters in AFFC indicate he is somehow traumatized by the sound of a creaky door hinge. In one chapter, he is sleeping, and he seemingly hears the noise and awakes in fear. After reading The Forsaken, I think this is indicating he is hearing the door hinge of Euron entering his room at night from childhood.
Damn, good catch.
God that's horrifying
Yes he got raped or molested by Euron when he was young
Quite random, but while reading the clash of kings (yes I'm only there so trying not to read spoilers here😅) i seem to skip thru Theon Greyjoy's chapters. Could any of u book readers iterate why i mustn't skip to other more captivating side stories happening simultaneously..
@@ruinousinersia7049 There's a lot of details that will be important later. Characters you need to meet, places you need to visit.
Roose and Ramsey Bolton: we are the most terrifying characters in the books.
Crows eye: hold my wife’s tongue.
and then Dany arrives at Kings Landing :D
Danio31b1991 zig zag activated
more like hold my sanity
@@Muhammad12035three How DARE you make my comment funnier
euron is meant to be ramsey snow and oberyn martell as one guy, all the charm and swagger and deception and plotting of oberyn and all the evil and cruelty of ramsey
That which is poorly adapted can never be comic relief, but rises again, edgier and more tentacley.
This comment should be on top, brilliant!
The end reminds me of hentai
He can't even finish a book series (And I'm a psychologist grad, and have actual royal ties , unlike you! So it's funny an American thinks he can write uk history and rip us off while not our culture.. ... you treat that idiot as God when all he does is write rip off stories that never end aka Soap operas set in Britain, and he pimped himself out to any network who would take him , only cause they had the funding to do so...
But now he backstabs those guys, too. You wouldn't have even heard of asoiaf without David benioff! So shut up
@@doxasophosmoros 1. Congratulations on graduating, I'm shocked you made it through with that level of writing skill. An amazing accomplishment, unlike whatever homeopathic royal blood connection you claim.
2. His writing draws on European history beyond just Britain. It also draws on American literature, and cultural practices from around the world. He also manages to create a world using these things that is pretty unique.
3. David Benioff is a ninny, DB Weiss was partly responsible for X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Both can S my D.
4. Your comment probably isn't even where you meant to put it, because it has very little to do with what I said.
5. Yes George really should get on with Winds of Winter. Goddammit.
@@doxasophosmoros are you paid off by d&d
George seems to expect to live forever. May the Warrior give him strenght and the Crone keep him sharp.
And may the lord of light set a fire ro his ass so he finishes the damn series
@@kevinpappers4494 BLASPHEMY!!!! There's only one God, and that is the God of Seven!!!!
I serve the king and god "bread". He was the one who started the riots in King's landing and shall end all those who oppose him in the long night. All hail the king and god bread.
You forgot Stranger!
May the stranger stay his hand.
I like the idea that Bloodraven "created" the guy who would bring about the apocalypse in his attempt to find the person who would prevent it. If Bloodraven hadn't tried to find Bran, would there have been Greenseer Euron at all? It's like with so many other characters - the more they try to prevent something, the more they make it happen. See Cersei and Maggy the Frog's prophecy. Let's see which catastrophe Mel will bring about in her attempt to prevent the Long Night.
I can't wait to find out what happens with the stone dragons that arise.
She will probably wake the "stone Dragon" of Shirleens greyscale, devastating the Northmen with the disease when they should be fighting the Others. Or she will kill Ghost when Ghost-Jon is trying to protect something important to humanity's survival.
I love Maggie the Frog because the part where it says "gold will be their crowns and gold will be their shrouds" was based on the prophecy Nostradamus gave to Queen Catherine de Medici of France
"Each of your sons will be king of France, but you will outlive them all."
And she did outlive all of her sons and most of her daughters from the history records I looked up. So this was a very fascinating and eerie part of the show for me!
@@PandaMonium92827do you think Nostradamus was just a statistic genius?
Bloodraven fumbled the bag.......of nukes
Jesus. This makes show Euron a Disney cartoon villian
Well to be even more exact he was an R rated Jack sparrow
The Volcanic Masochist Hack Sparrow
FINGER IN DA BUM
It's even an insult to Disney Vilains
....have you SEEN Frollo and Scar?
The casting for Euron Greyjoy in the TV show was on point, he even had some physical resemblance to Theon but he was criminally misrepresented.
They did look alike just noticed that.
He looked like Pacey from Dawson's Creek
He physically resembles Alfie Allen, but he's far from physically matching Euron. His features are too soft, I always pictured Euron as very angular and lean. And they didn't even try to make him even remotely stand out, he has no raven hair, no blue lips, no eyepatch - he just looks so plain and regular.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 i mean alfie allen doesn't look like book theon either
I was staying in a hotel in France when reading the book and had a dream that Euron and his crew was breaking into my room. I tried to escape out the window but was no use. Euron did one of his scary monologues and drowned me in the toilet. Sounds funny but so scary and vivid. Then I watched the show and I've slept like a baby ever since.
did he urinate on your rug
I lol’d at this more than would be appropriate but he was pretty tame all things considered
Had much wilder time in France than that.
*LOL*
"Then I watched the show and I've slept like a baby ever since."
I wonder how many people experienced the opposite.
I think the show really struggled with magic. They excelled at the earthly aspects of the books but Bran, Euron, Melisandre, and other magical elements really weren't translate well.
Magic in general is harder for visual media in my opinion. Book can exposit about the system, but shows and movies can’t really go off on tangents
D&D openly stated they wanted to lessen the magic because they thought they could get more viewership from football fans
@@MegaKnight2012 I....I.... What? What kind of fucking logic is that?
That's what you get when the makers of a fantasy show actually hate fantasy
@@dragonstouch1042 I also think that A song of ice and fire's magic its difficult to portray since its very obscure and abstract (which I love) since is not a spell fest. But Im not saying this to defend D&D they messed up the story to a point I wasn't interested on it anymore until I watched House of the Dragon
What saddens me the most about Euron in the show was how good the actor was, and how much potential was wasted from that :(
True, I feel bad for Pilou tbh. He can pull book!Euron if "they" wrote it thoroughly and nicely.
The actor even read the books and was dissapointed in how Euron wasn't written like he was in the books. He could have pulled it off so well. Such a huge missed opportunity.
He was an awesome villain in that nazi zombie movie that came out last year
Was it Overlord? Yeah, he was scary in it.
Show Euron was a pale imitation but giving credit where it's due, Pilou at least made for an entertaining presence.
wow, forgot how terrifying Euron is, just gotta wait 300 years for Winds to come out and see Euron again
tv euron's scary, what if you woke up one night to have his finger in your bum?
@@Colddirector LMAO! well according to TWOW Aeron excerpt, Aeron's definitely gotten a Euron finger in his bum....
@@miavee43 lol prob a whole fist
300 years? surely you're exaggerating, it's probably around 250 years.
Dont worry. I'll be out in late summer/early fall of 2020.
I *ALSO* want Eldritch power, so that when *"the Winds of Winter"* comes out I can contact my great-great-great-great-grandchildren from my grave and have them read it to me.
Morin there will never be an end, George legally won't allow it
Whether it ends or not, what George wrote is incredible, monumental. It's like Berserk, a world in constant evolution that becomes more and more dantesque making it difficult to tie in. Let's hope Martin and Miura find a way to finish their story. If not, then we'll read other amazing stuff.
@@AeCouperin What do you mean by dantesque?
@@thecannonball34 the story gets bigger, epic, grandiose.
@The Eclipse we do not speak of the show here
Euron says he threw a dragon egg into the sea. In Persian myth, throwing a dragon into the sea makes them stronger because they can grow bigger, like Odin throwing Jormungandr into the sea and he grew til he encircled the world (Euron wears an eye-patch, quite likely can disguise himself, seeks to be a sorceror god, so that sounds like another of Martin's recurring Odin figures). That egg, it's probably going to come back and bite someone in the butt.
Yeah, I tend to agree there. Most are convinced that by "threw it in the sea", meant he used it to pay the Faceless Men to kill Balon. Either is possible, but I lean to the former.
@@TimTimTomTomYeah Euron definetly had enough to pay the Faceless Men without the egg.
Mebbe Sea Dragon put a finga in da bum of Westeros?
This one character proves how imaginative and amazing George RR Martin is at writing
@@aleccampbell-barner7478 Creativity and Madness often go hand in hand.
Alec Campbell-Barner the one character that shows he is nuts is Ramsay.
and how amazingly shit D & D are, although I'm sure you've heard that message plenty of times as a grrm's book series fan.
23:57 oh fuck
Still hate how D&D heavily downplayed the magic and fantasy aspects of ASOIAF. The original materials are awesome and more exciting.
I was super surprised when Melisandre came out with her shit, I didn’t know there even was definite magic in that world. I like that, how GRRM calls it a low magic world or whatever
@@thedumbdog1964 melisandres POV is the best imo. It completely changes everyones perception of melisandre. She isnt an evil liar,just the flawed messenger of a very real deity
But the low magic seasons (1-4) were the best...
@@FlowerTrollSan the thing is magic actually back full force to Westero slowly but surely
Right? Just as an outsider who’s never even seen a full episode of the show, I almost thought there was no magic at all except whatever was going on with the dragons and the White Walkers.
Meanwhile, I watch two of these lore videos and it seems like the books are a totally different series entirely
Euron is way too hardcore for Westros, he belongs in Warhammer or something. And this is why I like the way GRRM does fantasy. His approach to the genre is so much more diverse than others. It leaves room for that sense of adventure and wonder, but also sheds light on the absolutely horrifying aspects of living in such a world where monsters and magic exist... and psychopaths like Euron can utilize both if they are smart enough. It's like ASOIAF inhabits a space between the more mainstream high fantasy of Lord of The Rings... and Warhammer Fantasy where everything sucks and we're all probably gonna die in some horrible fashion sooner rather than later.
Mm good points. ASOIAF is low fantasy ( by genre ), whereas LOTR is high fantasy. So it stands to reason that ASOIAF leans slightly more towards the Grimdark of Warhammer.
@pyropulse I have to disagree, LOTR is pretty straight forward good vs evil, the bad guys are simplistic in the extreme while the good guys are paragons of virtue. This is the polar opposite of ASOIAF and Warhammer Fantasy, where it can honestly be said there are no good guys and very few truly one dimensional evil villains. There are no Tywin Lannister's in LOTR, or Roose Bolton's. There are no Jaime Lannister's or Jon Snow's. It's all pretty black and white. The characters in ASOIAF and even Warhammer Fantasy are actually much more "human" than those in Tolkien's works.
Might wanna try out Malazan Book of the Fallen then ;)
pyropulse yep I think it would be a pretty hard case to make that Lotr is anything other than high fantasy - a world of lofty idealism where heroism and the determination of the individual spirit triumphs over greed and destruction and death. Low fantasy like ASOIAF and warhammer take these ideals and smash them to pieces. :)
Euron is ASOIAF's Nagash--born into a royal family but passed over for the throne, learns dark magic and travels the world, comes back home and overthrows his brother in a coup, and has long-term plans for apocalyptic world domination. However, the Iron Islands are a small nation with a relatively weak tradition of magic compared to Khemri, so he has his work cut out for him.
The idea that Euron was so bad that even Blood Raven noped the fuck out is hilarious.
even he was weirded tf out
“Yes my child. Give into the pow-oh fuck. Oh holy shit. HOLY SHIT!! *WHAT* ARE YOU?!?!”
"Holy shit you're the anti-Christ. Get the fuck away from me."
Bloodraven wasn't ready to see Euron's kinks.
Yo I killed most of my browser but this guy
He just wants to boil the sea to get his dragon egg nice and hard-boiled give him a break man.
Alex Yang-Nikodym mmm. Poached dragon
😂😂
I LOVE Euron as a villain. For one thing, it's kind of refreshing that a prospective "dark lord" is basically a pirate without even the pretentions of royalty or iron-fisted dictatorship. You know, chaotic evil, not lawful evil.
Secondly, I like seeing this from the reverse perspective. It's like getting a Sauron origin story before Lord of the Rings. Only there's no modern Wicked or Maleficent re-write that tries to cast the villain in a tragic light. Euron's story is compelling not because we root for him, it's absorbing because watching someone say, "I want to take over the world with dark magic" and watch him actually make strides to accomplishing that goal is frightening!
...that's insane. 🙄
I think nobody really roots for him, we like his character because it´s interesting, but in the end we really don´t want him to rule the world
@@sakutaro3musik486 we? lol no not we. he doesn't even belong on game of thrones the show. he's a fail. in the book sure.
@@Maplelust what is insane???
@@Maplelust what do you mean? Isn’t this about the book?
Now, THAT’s a villain. The show did him so dirty.
Every time I see euron in the books all I can think is 'a finger in da bum' thanks d and d 😂
@fabRic_jAck And what's your argument for that other than the pointless statement you made just now?
@acooknamed_Rishi asoiaf is an incredibly mystical book. It starts off with magic zombies lol.
Euron going from mystic pirate to fratboy is a pretty solid microcosm of the overall book to show experience, especially in the later seasons.
Tyrion's first appearance with Jon Snow in S1E1 is after a bender instead of spending the night in the Winterfell library in the book. Very much fits with D&D's fratboy mentality.
Typical Hollywood move. Dumbing things down to appease basic masses, rather than having the audience actually use their brain to figure stuff out.
18:00 "Old Town is a powder keg of dormant magic powers... and Euron's coming for it with a lit match, sailing on a sea of blood."
They should have hired you to co-write seasons 6+.
5 too. That's where they butchered Dorne
Nearly half an hour of Alt Shift X talking about the Greyjoy? Yes please!
GRRM called us all sick motherfuckers for cheering so loud and hard for a Greyjoy video
he traded the egg for his brothers life, so when he says "i threw it into the sea" hes telling the truth since he considers his brothers life to be equal to the egg
*eggs being fragile and easily broken*
Wow this is brilliant
How to say you killed Balon without saying you killed Balon
@@scottmantooth8785 not dragon eggs I don't think
@@scottmantooth8785 Not dragon eggs. They can last hundreds of years it seems.
Basically, in the books, Euron Greyjoy makes Joffrey and even Ramsay look like saints.
Joffrey is more stupid than he is evil, as for Ramsay.. he s just a mad dog that needs to be put down.. Euron is the literal antichrist tho
No! In the books, White Walkers check under their beds for Euron Greyjoy.
The White King: I will consume ALL-
Euron: Heeey...
WK: FUUUUUUUUK!
@@mariawhite7337 LOL
"upcoming" book winds of winter.
Among all your theories, this has to be the most farfetched one.
Go and read the chapter about The forsaken in the winds of winter. It is online if you need to read it. There you will see for yourself just how mad Euron truly is. This may not be as crazy as you think it is. Euron is definitely planning something big and evil.
I think he meant that the Winds of Winter ain't comming.
LOL
You haven't read the books, when it comes to anything magic related shit gets 1-100 really fucking fast. Euron's introduction is using a dragon horn that screeches so loud that everyone thinks it's the worst sound ever, murdering the man who blows the horn and his crew is only manned by magicians and mystics with their tongues cut out. Fast forward to the spoiler chapter, mother fucker is killing every priest from every religion and putting them to the prow of his ship along with his salt wife who is pregnant with his child. No that's no theory, that's how wild Euron's chapters are
also the great northern conspiracy
I know I'm late to the party but...
Euron to the Faceless men: May I offer you an egg in these trying times?
Frying times.
Apologies in advance
You're never too late for a comment like this
#accidentalsunny
@@kinosine "There are no accidents"- Master Oogway"
@@raghavtalwar1373 you are the OP now.
Show euron: a bullying pirate
Book euron: literally the anti-christ
@marucio Kevin * Literally a lunatic with delusions of grandeur.
FTFY.
@@Longshanks1690 not if he succeeds he isn't. And considering how things are paying out, how magic has returned, he might not only be right, but succeed in setting in motion a cataclysm like nothing Westeros has seen in thousands of years.
@ZaLewdWarudo Yeah, and maybe Aerys was right! If King’s Landing did burn down, maybe he would have turned into a dragon! Characters are never wrong about anything and if they say it, that means we should always take it 100% seriously and never examine the context behind why a man who spent years in effective social isolation has a god complex!
This is tiresome. Euron is a deranged psychopath with an inflated ego and delusions of grandeur, he is literally nothing more than that. The fact that the fan base is so desperate for any magic in this series they’ll cling to any hope of it is irrelevant to the truth of what’s going on, especially when it doesn’t make any sense within the established mythology of the series.
Because let’s assume for one moment he’s right, and he becomes an elder god...then what? What can any of our characters do to combat him that would fill two books which are going to take over a decade to write at this point?
If you are right, then either everyone dies or George will have to Deus Ex this story in a way that will make us beg for the coherency of “The Long Night.”
The antichrist *IS* a lunatic with delusions of grandeur. Like his daddy...
@@Longshanks1690 You don't have to be a pompous douche about it, magic does exist in ASOIAF and plays a huge role in the lore so who knows... Euron can be a deranged megalomaniac and also be correct about fulfilling a prophecy to end the world. I mean GRRM loves prophecies so we'll just have to wait and see
I am in awe once more of the depth to themes this series represents. Its amazing and jaw-dropping. Never saw the correlation between the series title "A Song of Ice and Fire" against Euron representing "Silence."
GRRM really built this beautifully complex and complicated character and the show just went "here's a nympho egomanic have fun"
The show fucked everything up after DoD ,but to be fair he is an enigma only introduced at the kingsmoot.We do not know much of what he wants or his true intent.Yeah sure he bows to no man and is a free spirit and devious.However unless we get a Euron chapter in WoW.We won't glean much ,unless through Victarion or his red priest revealing the threat
@@zhenyamugisa9423 There is an Aerion chapter in which Euron talks to him and you can tell a lot about the motivations of the latter.
I remember the moment when euron show up for the he first time in season 5 I think , I was shocked how stupid he looked haha I was expecting the horn the creepiness of the scene but it was so dull. The houses that had the worst portrayal were the Greyjoys and Dorne
Euron is not particulary complex tho.
he copied tolkein works
"He's a scary, manipulative murderer, a charismatic politician and a psychedelic sorcerer hungry for apocalyptic power....He wants cosmic,eldritch power". I love this description,it is so very apt. Love your work.
Basically hilary clinton
He basically a politician.
Secret message in the captions at 24:39, "George pls. Come on George" was a very nice touch.
Nice catch
thought i just didnt hear him say it xD
🤣
You have a great third eye .
No wonder the Euron actor was pissed off and bluntly said he "won't watch the finale". He has read the books he also said.
Poor man
"It's a totally crazy plan, so naturally the Iron born love it" 🤣
The mind of the Iron Islands in a nutshell!
Shit bro me too lets fuckin go
Poor Asha trying to find rational solutions and compromises and her people just go with an apocalyptic maniac.
@@masterplokoon8803 the kingsmoot chapters were peak
@@masterplokoon8803 because penis
Imagine the Others are actually the good guys building a zombie army to fight Cuthulu
Sounds plausible. I was thinking that as a possibility. The other possibility is that Euron will be The Book equivalent to The Night King.
@@gfilmer7150 Almost certainly. It wasn't until my second read-through that I noticed G.R.R.M's wink to the readers as the attendants of the Kingsmoot, cheered Euron on by yelling "EURON KING, Euron KING". I thought "Hmmm, that's strange, they never did that with Renly, Stannis or Robb- And it hit me like a tonne of bricks, knowing the context of just how dark Euron is: Euron King=Night King.
@@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive He’s so gonna be The Night King. There’s a possibility it could be Jon and I heard a theory that it could be Stannis
@@gfilmer7150 The whitewalkers still seem like assholes. They laugh while they surround, murder and then resurrect people as slaves.
@Jacob Gerard I love that movie
I really love how you're now telling this from the perspective of the novels with only occasional references to...the other thing.
Ian Jurica other thing 🤣🤣🤣🤣👌🏾
It's the weird child nobody talks about.
The abomination
It’s useless now, but I always felt like Euron and the wildings both had the wrong horn that they thought they did. Just imagine, the Greyjoys blow Euron’s horn in order to manipulate Danny, but instead the Wall disintegrates thousands of leagues away!
Now THIS is subverting expectations!
“You’ve lost, Dragon Queen! Now we shall take your dragon!”
*blows horn, nothing happens*
“Huh, why didn’t it work?”
“…Does anyone else hear a bunch of ice breaking?”
here i thought it was the same horn
So the Free Folk blow a mighty blast loud enough to shatter Tormund's member, and Dany's dragons fall in love with...who? Bran? Jon, who wakes up from death? Mance? Lacey Mormont? Anyhow they fly to that person and lick her or his face!
Company of the Cat has a theory that the correct Horn brings the Wall down OR up again, as needed.
The moment I saw Euron in the show and he didn't even have an eye patch I knew another character was about to be ruined. I had no idea just how badly, though. Took one of the actual most mysterious and potentially threatening forces in the series and made him... just some really thirsty dude, I guess?
took an end game boss and made him into a normal mob
Euron Greyjoy is such a wonderful source of creative inspiration for writing a villain. George RR Martin takes him from being this nobody character mentioned once early on in the story off-handedly; the middle child of a family ruling over a bunch of illiterate, violent idiots; to being a serious political contender, to eventually being framed as possibly the final boss of the series.
The way he just swaggers into the story as if he was always meant to be there, and immediately asserts his claim before leading his rabble on a violent crusade across the country in search of his goals. The way that he is framed, over the course of a single book, as one of the most unrepentantly evil characters in the whole show; pissing in the face of everything other people fear or abhor. He makes numerous seemingly impossible claims, some of which he has evidence for, others he does not, leading one to question where the lies begin and what he is truly capable of. There's something truly striking about the image of an insane sorcerer pirate, standing in the face of a great storm as all hell breaks loose around him, and he's just smiling.
The description of book Euron is one of my all time favorite descriptions of a villain. A madman who isn't scared of gods' punishments and decides to make himself a god. Martin has cited Stan Lee's Marvel as a major influence, and it's easy to see some comparisons between Euron and one of Marvel's greatest villains, Dr Doom. Doom is arrogant to a fault, is a sorcerer, has sacrificed a woman who loved him for personal power, and wears a special suit of armor. Traits shared with Euron.
My last read through really struck me how Epic Euron is. He invaded and captured the shield isles like some kind of psycopath
Actually the source is in the Bible. Euron completely is the archetype of the anti Christ. Book of Revelation. George RR Martin definitely has read the Bible because his story resembles a lot of Biblical past figures. And many events too, meaning as influential, not direct. Seeing this video, the entire time while watching it I was just thinking of the Book of Revelation and how it has influenced George’s writing.
“Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?” And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If anyone has an ear, let him hear. He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.”
Revelation 13:1-10 NKJV
Something tells me he's going to go out in one of the most pathetic ways we've seen in the books. If theres one thing the books have been consistent about is that ambition always ends tragically. The bigger the ambition, the more tragic the ending
"Old town is a powder keg of dormant magic and Euron is coming for it with a lit match, sailing in a sea of blood" my asshole just puckered holy fuck
Happy 4 u
I know right I got hella shivers
@@tjmakes_ this is why i love this guy!
fucking insaneeeeee
@@christinatuttle8442 Thanks for the erotic imagery. I am hard now.
"Oh by the way in the books this guy's a wizard and he wants to summon cthulhu" is a discussion you just don't get to have in other fandoms
Average day in Westeros
“Ashai is like Hogwarts for edgelords”
Hahahahhah
the books need an animated adaptation when the books are done, the show was too simplistic and butchered the story too much.
now a days animation is becoming shit too
I think it would probably be too expensive, not all studios have the money, equipment and talent to make animated movies. The few companies that do have experience making animated movies and dominate the market wouldn't be interested in an animated adaptation of a song of ice and fire. Mainly because there is a still a widespread belief among most adults that animated shows and movies are for kids and a song of ice and fire being animated will definitely make a lot of people mad.
hella cash So basically Game of Thrones: Brotherhood? I’m down, worth it just for the chance of a more book accurate Stannis
Apparently you’ve never seen the animated version of Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings books
They'll only be able to do that if GRRM finally finishes writing the books. TWOW is coming out this year(hopefully) but when the fudge will ADOS come out? Another ten years? I really hope GRRM is secretly working on both of the books simultaneously and that's why he's taking so much time.
*TITLE:* Game of thrones
*SUBTITLE:* In the books, it's more... complicated.
Much more....
Instead of Euron anti-climatically killing Rhaegal, he could use the horn to turn him under his control giving more opposing powers dragons
Or use it as a sacrifice or ritual. That would be pretty crazy also
"So Euron constantly mocks and perverts everything that people believe in - he kinslays, blasphemes,
breaks every taboo just cause he can." Well Euron is basically a CK2 character...
Whoa, that's actually pretty accurate.
What is CK2
dany bey
Crusader Kings II.
It’s a medieval dynastic simulator where you can play some of history’s most infamous lineages, or create your own dynasty.
I wed the King of Sweden to my aids-ridden, lustful daughter. He got infected and they both died.
I was next in line to the throne. I did it on purpose.
See, while Littlefinger was busy playing the Game of Thrones, I’m playing 5-dimensional Cyvasse.
There’s also an ASoIaF version to this game. Gave Game of Thrones the ending I wanted lol.
You can also play as Rhaegar during the rebellion and try to win. Honestly, great game.
@@jonbartolo8067 Alt-history Robert's Rebellion as the Targs is a pretty fun start indeed.
In the Game of Thrones mod for CK2 Euron is literally a CK2 character, so...
Book Euron gives me Griffith vibes, planning on huge blood sacrifice to ascend to godhood. Makes Ramsay look like a Boy Scout
This is my favourite comment
I get what you mean, but I think Griffith's vibes are more satanesque, someone whose destiny is to fall and he can't change that even if he tried (or at least that's what the story portraits)
Griffith did some awful things before the eclipse but he never intended that to happen, he wanted his ascension to be as peaceful as it could be, he didn't have a problem killing for that but he did what he could to avoid a biblical bloodbath and he kinda triggered the e eclipse by "accident" cause at that point he just wanted to die.
Griffith is a leaf at the winds will, Euron is a storm
Exactly what came to my mind while watching this!
The difference is that griffith before becoming a husk wasn't as cruel as euron, yes griffith had done some evil things but it wasn't as constant as eurons.
Plus the entire point of the behlit is to sacrifice what you hold dear to you and what keeps you anchored to humanity in exchange for ultimate power and to become a servant of the godhand in exchange for the apostles.
While griffith may not have cared for the rest of the band of the hawk, he did care for guts and arguably casca, griffith also had dreams of one day becoming a king not a god, the behlit only activates when the person holding them is at their lowest point.
Euron on the other hand cares for noone and while also having a similar dream for power like griffith, euron will eventually turn on those who have been loyal to him.
With miuras death however we will never know what the true plans of griffith and the godhand are, I am hoping that martin won't fallow in his footsteps and will be able to finish his work and hopefully give us a new and better show.
Euron seeks for Power, for Griffith It was given the Power, besides, different personalities
The Chad Euron: "I will become Cthulu and bathe the world in blood under my rule."
The virgin Euron: "A fingah in dah bum?"
bruh
I liked book Euron. He was very tasty.
"Asshai is like Hogwarts for edge lords" had me dead 🤣🤣… you always manage to throw in a one liner like that, that always cracks me up.
Last time I was this early, Jamie Lannister was still the most hated character in the books
Nraged Chinchilla XD
last time I was this early, Jaime in the show actually cared for innocent or otherwise
Jaime is jesus compared to Euron Greyjoy
You should do audiobooks for ASOIAF. Your voice is so satisfying and I think we all would love to hear the whole story from your mouth.
This needs more up votes!!!
Totally. He’d be great at that.
The biggest hp lovecraft nerd in Westeros
This episode is arguably your best ever.
It harkens to a time when untold story arcs left wonder and mystery in the world of GoT.
What the narratives of the television series failed to meet, this theory video brilliantly exceeds.
The depth of one character, the stakes for the our beloved, flawed heroes and villains and thus the stakes for the ultimate endgame of the story all together: this video, tactfully deciphers.
Bravo, Alt Shift X!
Euron greyjoy: "I'm the man that killed Jamie Lanister"
D&D: "We're the men that killed Euron Greyjoy"
😭😭😭😂😂😂
LMAO
*Game of Thrones (and probably A Song of Ice and Fire for me personally)
Frankhatesghouls They killed everyone.
Book Euron: Sadistic, bloodthirsty nihilist who’s willing to slaughter untold numbers of friend and foe alike and unleash unspeakable eldritch horrors into the world so that he can achieve godhood.
TV Euron: Horny frat boy with a pirate fleet
Book euron: Literally all of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
Show euron: *Fingah in da bunghol?*
He has magic in the Show as well, He Builds an Armada of a Thousand Ships out of Grass, Rock and Dirt.
@@ylmazirdenyazc8393 😂😂😂
@@ylmazirdenyazc8393 ummm no? literally dedicated an entire line in the show to saying make boats out of trees but ok
@@israelCommitsGenocide Trees? Which Trees?
D&D really did Pilou Asbaek dirty. Even though my mental casting was for an older actor in the David O'Hara mold (Mad Stephen the Irishman from "Braveheart"), Asbaek really felt like he could be a fantastic choice for Euron -- and we saw glimmers of the Euron from the novels in his performance. The scene with his raid on the Sand Snakes showed the dizzying savagery the Crow's Eye is capable of, and we saw in that moment that Asbaek could've been legendary if he'd been given the part to play in the books.
The biggest failing of Euron is that they neglected to build him up. They needed to have him show up in Season 3 at least (with vague mentions of the Silence being spotted here and there). If you *had* to keep the Yara rescuing Theon storyline, just have Balon die at the start of Season 4, Euron show up to claim the throne, and Yara realizing her only way of retaining hold on the islands is to get her brother back. That sets up Euron as a major threat and builds him up over time.
But of course, they failed.
Stephen Davis Exactly! I’d say have the people of Qarth mention the Silence in season 2, kill Balon near the end of season 3 and introduce Euron, at the latest, in season 4. Victarion starts travelling to Daenerys at the end of the season, whilst Euron’s story continues. If Euron does plan to attack Oldtown, he does so in season 6.
Honestly Euron straight up going “nah fam sounds lame, thanks for the powers, no taksie backsies tho” to bloodraven is such an Euron thing to do
The only time he wished Sara chose Bittersteel was when he realized he accidentally created the anti-Christ.
"Ashai is hogwarts for edge lords" 10:47
I sure did miss you Alt Shift X
Euron Greyjoy is, inarguably, the greatest crime that the showrunners of GOT committed. What should have been BY FAR the most sinister, and dangerous, villainous character of the entire series... instead got sidelined as a dimwit who happened to be good at being a pirate, and whose ultimate goal was to screw Cersei Lannister (just like every other dude in that TV series, it seems). He was nothing special, in the end. In fact, if anything he was more annoying than fearsome. His greatest accomplishment in the series was "ambushing" and killing one of Danaerys' dragons (in the stupidest manner imaginable), in a scene that makes so little logical sense it should never have even been okayed to air on television!
Sorriest excuse of all... when he goes down. He goes down like a right "bitch" and dies laughing on the rocks in King's Landing after getting his ass kicked in a standard swordfight, by Jamie Lannister. Whoop-de-freakin'-doo!
What Dan & Dave did to Euron's character is something I will never forgive them for! Because he is so much better, and so much more menacing a villain, in the books. GRRM will do things the right way... it just sucks that we seemingly have to wait 50 years for Book 6 to even come out...
It's like they read Cersei's AFFC chapters and only remembered the parts where she has sex with the Kettleblacks, while completely missing out on and of the themes connected to her chapters.
And then they just included Euron because they really really really liked Pirates of the Carribean and never read ADWD.
For me it was Doran Martell. Him and the Young Griff plotline was for me such an intricate political scheme. Highlights also Varys's darker side that the show completely excluded.
They also did the polar opposite of Euron: transforming maybe the most gentle and good character in the books into a mean spirited harpy: Ellarya Sand. If only they had changed her name.
I don't know they committed a lot of heinous crimes with that show.
@@Tyrantofthewind Yeah, but Euron was the worst, because that villain had the most potential, by far.
RIP Max von Sydow, the Three-Eyed Raven, Brynden Rivers
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Which fantasy elements do you want to include in this book series George? Yes
What sci fi elements do you wish to include? Yes
Okay but please no zombies or dinosaurs okay? Okay George? No
Sci-fi? I must have forgotten the chapter where Tyrion blasts off into outer space to join Starfleet.
@@HOTD108_ the time travel and frankenstein like stuff to name a few
"The dark lord was democratically elected" (shows emperor Palpatine) lol
Don't bring Jar Jar into this! He was the true dark lord.
So this is how democracy dies with thunderous applause
I love democracy
@@yerkofernandezz You've stolen my line. It's treason, then...
@@lolface_9363 beat me too it
It's so depressing to know what the show could have been like and to then remember what it actually turned into.
asdsdjf asdjxajiosdqw the books will ALWAYS be better than a movie or a show ALWAYS
@@weed3728 I agree with you, mostly.
I need your opinion on Watchmen xD
If you tried a straight adaptation of the books to TV it would be worse than what we got
Jethro Reading agreed the books can give details like no movie adaptation can ! people would’ve thought the shit in the books was too weird or too confusing for the show
it's even harder because it's so easy to say "maybe some day in the future, they'll tell it again, only it'd be a proper adaptation" but even IF they did, it's hard because the truth is game of thrones used to be amazing. yes, they cut and changed some things even from the very beginning but who honestly gave a shit at first? who didn't think it was the greatest tv had to offer for its first 4 seasons?
Calling it now Bran v Euron in the books in some epic mind battle.
I'm not so sure the three eyed crow is to be trusted, one thing that worries me is Melissandre who may be in the service of the Other(she is very quick to use shadows, and glamours that are used for misdirection)She openly claims to serve the lord of light but has used shadows in her quest to serve Stannis.Now the bigger worry is in DoD right off the bat the 3eye crow tells Bran to embrace the darkness to learn magic.They obviously do their studies in a cave, but still the word choice is ominous. We could be in for a shock maybe the original 3eye crow was such an adept of magic that he learnt the darkest art, to watch into humans for ever just body snatching, and he is now in Euron, or at least a part of him is and now he wants Bran to stop Euron in effect fighting his dark magic through another vessel
I still hold on to my belief that Euron (alongside Young Griffin) is one of the main reasons why the main series hasn't continued
cares to explain?
@@thekrakensdaughter Euron is a Warhammer 40k Demonlord of Chaos, despite being a side character and Young Griff's entire presence requires another war to be detailed and to be tied in with the Dunk & Egg novels that have come out/are coming out.
As the world Martin created is being fleshed out more and more, characters with global implications just become so much harder to fit in, without breaking what is already there.
I also think GRRM was affected by how the shows ending wasn’t well received. He denies it but I think he’s re writing many parts to separate it more from the show.
The series hasn’t been finished simply because GRRM is of the opinion that itll be a legacy to leave it on a cliffhanger. A fantastical story that never got a conclusion? The stuff of legend.
Except he doesn’t realize that history will not care about a book series adapted into a horrendously ended show, that was never finished before the author died of eating too many twinkies.
@@ryanhampson673I don't necessarily think so, the shows are very different just on a fundamental level so I think it could end in somewhat the way but it would be way different no matter what had happened. Imo.
The best theory (as in, the coolest), would be that he *did* throw that dragon egg into the sea, and is using all of this blood magic on the ocean to birth some kraken-dragon beast (maybe an alternative version of the "when the kraken weds the dragon"...threat?).
That would be a hectic f*cking creature.
fucking cursed
Twinning
A draken. A creature that breathes ice and fire, the scourge of the skies and the seas.
He uses "threw it into the sea" as a double meaning. I think Euron is being metaphorical, equating Balon to the egg. He paid a faceless man a dragon egg to throw balon into the sea, so in a way he did throw the egg into the sea lol. Euron had a way with words.
@@keelobrown4991 Could be!
"History is a wheel..."
"The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again."
HYPE
Cryogenically frozen dude - "well I froze my self because I wanted to meet Shakespeare and I figured that time was elliptical."
Fry - "Nope, straight line"
Funny you mention Wheel of Time, as George RR Martin and Robert Jordan were good friends
Don't forget, Dany talks about 'breaking the wheel'. Seems to be a recurring theme.
@@kenjaku1436 That's only in the show.
I wonder if “throwing the egg into the sea” was a literal metaphor for having Balon thrown into the sea. He used the egg to pay for his brother being tossed into the ocean, which in essence was throwing the egg itself into the sea.
Edit: typo
You've sufficiently convinced me that this is indeed the reality of that remark.
Balor is a secret dragon egg confirmed! 🤘
Balon
I really think he paid the faceless men with the egg
Isn't Balon also balding? So... an egg.
The fact that we didn’t get THIS Euron is crushing.
Euron is the most mysterious, insane and hardcore character in the whole series. The way the showrunners butchered his character is just..... atrocious.
Ser Pounce begs to differ
this channel is more canon than the show, for me at least
Shield Yeap
Preach. I almost forget the crap the show has made every time I watch Alt Shift X.
Credits where credits are due but Dumb and Dumber, they had the chance and they wasted it.
This was truly an amazingly powerful breakdown and analysis. The script was gold. Very fine job! I got goosebumps and my anticipation for the next book is off the charts (again).
Joe mama
Literally after reading the Forsaken chapter I cannot stop thinking about it even days later. My head is spinning harder than after reading the Red Wedding or the pink letter. When will this damn book come out.
I know right...
It never will
Still making ASOIAF material? Bless your heart, Alt Shift X.
I like how he uses more book art then show screenshots
Actor who played him in the show: "Euron is going to make Ramsay Bolton look like a little kid." Womp-womp.
That is probably what he was told was the plan. Then they stripped it all down.
@@TheBarser apparently he read up on Euron Greyjoy's book character before taking up the role so his statements were probably based on what he read
It wasn't the actor fault it was d&d :(
@@khalduras784 you should stop with all this nonsense. the actor literally said that he didnt read the books at all. People are trying to make it seem like he was disappointed,when he was probably as clueless as the rest
@@niranjanrajesh1058 no he himself said that he went and read on euron's character from the books. I didnt say that he read all 5-6 books as if he's some old fan like Barristan's actor did. Literally one of his earliest interviews back when he was first reported to have joined the cast as euron, he hypes up euron as comparing him to ramsay basing it on what he read up on euron. He couldve read like a wiki post for all we know
I think that one more thing that should be theorized in the connection between Euron and the Bloodstone Emperor is a possible matter of descendancy. In the World of Ice and Fire it is said that the Ironborn myth says they came not from the first men, though east, but through the Sunset Sea. And what most problably lies on the other side of it is a shoreline close to Ashai and Stygai. A place wich problably was part of the Great Empire of the Dawn, wich existed untill the Long Night. Just as Dany and those of purple eyes might be related to the Amethyst Empress, Euron and perhps all of he ironborne might be related to the Bloodstone Emperor. So he might have died, but not quite perished.
Just checked subs and saw no updates. Went back and bam, here we go. You're the only channel I watch about ASOIAF because you still make incredibly high quality, informative videos. Please never stop :)
preston jacobs?
Check out Preston Jacobs. Him and Alt are probably the best. Glidus is also pretty funny. Preston's takes are out there, but I think he's on to a lot of things (Dany's past, Euron's intentions, Tyrells intentions, Pink letter, Stannis, Northern conspiracy, you name it).
Preston has a whole series about the Ironborn and Euron. Alt, I think, purposely left out Euron's "I will make an heir worthy of HIM" (paraphrase) because Preston caught that one. Who is "him"? I thought Euron was a godless man? The great other? Who knows. All we know is that Euron is about to fuck up Paxter's fleet and probably take Oldtown
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll check them out.
@@timocruz510 The "him" you refer to is just Euron himself, speaking in the third person.
www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/54ekg7/spoilers_main_no_to_make_an_heir_thats_worthy_of/
Order of the Greenhand is another great channel for ASoIaF
This video really makes me want to sit down and read all the books. There could be an entire series just about Euron.
Euron is actually implied to be the real and ultimate villain of the whole saga
@@gustavoritter7321 Exactly, Euron will invoke the powers of the 'Other', aka the Drowned God.. the god the red priests keep talking about as the opposite to R'llhor ... thus Euron will command the white walkers (who represent ice/snow, which is just another form of water) and also the Deep Ones, which are monsters from the deeps of the sea. Euron will be the bringer of the (new) Long Night, to drown the world in darkness, He is the Kraken, he is the sea coming to swallow the world. Even Patchface said if I remember correctly, that under the sea it is black as night. Euron / the Drowned God is the actual super threat to the world, and most characters that have some sort of prophetic capacity so far have predicted it in some way or another...
@@oscarbautista4156 that sounds Warhammer levels of awesome.
But I doubt we'll ever see any of that.
What I miss the most about GOT is hearing your recaps.
Ricardo Fermé facts
Amen.
One interesting thing about Euron is how he compares to all the other characters who believe they can flirt with war, chaos, and raw power to achieve their goals and be able to control the outcome (Doran through absurd caution, Dany with her dragons, Bloodraven and his greenseer shenanigans, etc.)
Then you have Euron, Littlefinger, Roose, even Bronn to an extent. The other characters have admirable (or at least semi-admirable) goals: Free the slaves, free the North, bring evil people to justice with minimum loss of life, depose usurpers, etc. But that means they have scruples, and when the chaotic "storm of swords" rages the unencumbered rise to the top while those weighed down by rules and honor are pulled under.
Euron is like Litterfinger on crack: Both *intentionally* provoke the uncontrollable storm for their own advantage, but the latter only wants a country in chaos, while the former wants *global/cosmic* chaos.
Something just clicked in my head when you were mentioning when Euron arrives and leaves, silence is mentioned. In the prologue, the Others are described using the some variation of silence several times I believe. "they moved on silent feet" for example. Very interesting.
There are plenty of evidences saying that Euron might become king of the Others!
Two similar descriptions to two evils of different natures. Evil sneaks into full view silently, it seems
A shame we never got this version of Euron in the show, specially since Johan Philip did a great job with his acting.
So good, in fact, that Dani just kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet…
@@TheArtfulRobber lmao!!!! funny.
I remember listening to your videos a year ago, when I hadn't read the book yet, and thinking "wow there is so much I don't know". Now I've read them, and even though it is still quite fresh in my mind, listening to your vidéos make me realize there is still so much I don't know
ASOIAF rewards re-reads. I picked up on things during my 3rd read through that I didn't notice during my first two reads.
18:03 I never realized how much I needed the phrase “eldritch clusterfuck” in my life until this moment. THANKS ALT!