Hot Tinder Match Breakdown: From Opener to Date (Texting Persistence Example)
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Her: “I’m not looking for a hook up”
Translation: I don’t want a thirsty guy who wants sex without seducing me but I’m still willing to have a hookup.
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Holy fuck man, the level of persistence and patience is astonishing.
Persistence aka thirst
Guy has Ryan Gosling meme for everyday
U have me dying LMFAOOO
Man, I discovered your vids like a few days ago and I've been constantly watching since. Best text game content I've seen by FAR. Thank you very much.
Thanks bro
You got alot of patients. I would have already given up
I really like the distinction between being persistent and being needy. I always thought the girl doesn’t respond then you move on but now I think it’s fine to hit them up again as long as it’s not too soon after.
Bro keep doing these analyses. They're very helpful
Will do!
Amen
19:52 "she's the one who used me for a ONS... I'll live"
I laughed so hard lol
lmao this was a good one
Girls for ya
Great breakdown! One thing that I'd like to mention is when you send sexualized text messages like that to any girl, it will most likely drive her away because she is thinking with her logical side, there is no emotion to drive her. It's good to let your sexual intentions be known, but only do that when you meet up in person, because you can physically escalate to get her feeling good and comfortable, and in that state, she will be thinking more with her emotional side and be more welcoming to your sexual advances.
TLDR: Be playful over text, be sexual in person
Depends on the girl. Ive been following this guy’s advice, and I had a girl literally text me last night talking about “when you fuck me make sure to fuck me hard 😜” and we haven’t even met yet. That’s totally new for me, so this shit works, but you gotta make sure to just incorporate Alex’s advice into your game so it’s still true to you, you don’t need to do a total overhaul of your texting style
As a woman, I agree. She backed off everytime he oversexed it.
Couldn’t agree more I feel like he was being to sexual in the messages and you could see it steered her away
My analysis of his Text Game:
- "Hey trouble" -bad opener, not funny, doesnt give her much to go off of, feels like a pickup line
- This is why ALL she said was "Hiya"
- "I like your style" -also bad text, ambiguous, doesnt really speak to her specifically, generic
- Agreed with the "we" frame when interacting with girls
- Pretty boring texting so far, would not get much investment from most girls
- She leads the conversational threads on the dog and Miami/travel topics.
- As a man, you should be leading the conversation
- Hmmm, she double texts 16 minutes later and asks for the number. Based on the conversation and how it went so far, that is very surprising. There wasnt much rapport established, not much teasing/flirting, or bantering. Pretty much generic conversation, yet she asks for the number.
- Probably due to being DTF and the fact that he is a decent looking white guy.
- Probably would NOT work for most guys on most girls.
- DHV's only work when you show it, NOT when you say it. When you say it, it just sounds like a boast/brag, which actually lowers your value.
- Bill Gates does not have to DHV by telling people he's rich all the time because everyone fucking knows he's rich. If he had to constantly tell people he was rich, people will think he's a dickhead.
- Also probably the reason she didnt respond to your entire blurb about travel and career. She basically said "Cool story bro"
- "Just missing a little -- in my life" -a "meh" line, it's alright, dont give yourself that much credit for an average line
- "Dont be shy" -bad reopener
- 1st response is good about the dog (callback to topic she was receptive to)
- "Dont get me too excited now" -you seem too needy in this text, too much investment on your part
- Shouldve tried teasing or bantering here.
- Hence why she didnt text back and you had to double text again.
- DONT send memes, they rarely get much of a response from girls other than "haha" or "lol"
- Hence thats why u didnt get a response from the meme.
- "Are you always this talkative" -good teasing line
- "...mutiple oral orgasms record" -terrible text, too sexual, will only work with DTF chicks. Also only works if youre good looking.
- She bites on the oral orgasm text because you are probably better looking than her, thus she is lower value.
- Keep in mind, this will NOT work on hotter girls
- Mentioning sex way too often even though most of the conversation has not even been flirty up that that point. You basically jumped from a generic conversation talking about dogs and travel to sex, skipping over the flirting/teasing part.
- Only works on DTF girls.
- Obviously she doesnt bite on that.
- If she doesnt bite on your original topic, DONT send a reopner that re-mentions the previous topic! Change topics entirely here.
- Also, STOP sending memes
- "Sounds like you can use a little stress relief" -no shit Sherlock, can we bring in Captain Obvious too?
- "Am I wrong" -again if she doesnt reply to a conversational thread, switch topics, dont beat the same topic to death
- Terrible reopeners, too needy
- "I'm just not looking for a hookup" -AND....thats why you dont go too sexual too fast
- It was an alright comeback to her calling you out on hooking up
- Couldve avoided this argument entirely if you had not gone explicitly sexual earlier
- Big difference between being flirty and overtly sexual. You were doing the latter, not the former.
- "Do you like wine" -trying to seed right after you guys argued about guys hooking up on Tinder?
- Too fast buddy, she already has her guard up because of that entire thread about guys only wanting hookups on Tinder.
- Build some rapport with her first and then seed a date a few days later
- Logistics
- She tried to steer away from your plans about the date. She took the conversational thread about dog walking and shifted it towards talking about the dog rather than about meeting up.
- She leads the conversation about tattoo and dogs and GOT. Again, as a man, you should be leading
- She also invests a lot here. It's either because she wants to build more rapport with you first before going on a date or she is trying to steer the conversation away from the date logistics.
- Agreed with the time sensitive text
- Dont send "Cuming" -too thirsty, too sexual
- Agreed with not having to respond to everything she says.
Analysis: Your text game is pretty basic. Shitty openers/reopeners that dont bait for much. You went from generic conversation to outright sexual (skipping over flirty/teasing), which made her call you out. You do a good job of staying on topics she is interested on. Your double texting and seeding date ideas come at the wrong time, which is why she either ignored it or changed topics. Your own analysis of your texting is also mediocre and you dont pinpoint your own mistakes, like why you had to double text a few times.
***TLDR: Text game: 4/10. Very overrated text game. You are getting the girls based on your looks, and also on their level of DTF. You are getting them IN SPITE of your text game, not BECAUSE of your text game.
if ur an expert why don't u start a youtube channel then bruh
Billl f go on the channel and debate him. I also agree all the examples he gives this girl are super easy and dtf almost immediately
@@CardboardRyan I would love to, doubt he'll take the bite. If he does, I will make his fanbase disappear in a hurry.
@@cameronearls6497 Dude stop getting butthurt from my analysis. The name of the game is showing guys how to get better with text game, NOT stroking your own ego with mediocre text game (i.e. what PlayingWithFire does here all the time)
@@Bill-wm8tf I don't think disagreeing with your analysis and being "butthurt" are the same thing. since you want to "make his fanbase disappear" I'd say you're the one that's butthurt.
Anazing technical hands-on explanation 👍🏼 Dating/texting is a craft like it or not. That’s the reality in today’s world
Thanks man. Agreed
Hey, way to go on being honest about using you as the one night stand. I respect the maturity/confidence of sharing that to everyone. 👍 19:50
You could have left that out and no one would have known. Appreciate how completely real you are with your viewers.
This was beautiful. I love the summary at the end.
So much value giving, I'm going to have to buy the program
Thanks man. We look forward to having you join
This is a good content....I really hate opening messages. Anyone can open period but the guts of the conversation and closing is what separates boys and men
UpTo approximately 14k followers, WOW!
when i started following ur content u was at 5k followers, this shows u really doing a great job. Keep it up bro
Thanks man. Trying to be consistent with it & constantly improve
I had already given up on Tinder and then I found your channel. Thank you so much man 👊
This is admittedly the first time I've seen the Gosling meme be ineffective for you, but gotta be honest, I'm surprised it ever works.
What would make a girl want to respond to that?
Memes suck as responses. It shows you have weak conversational skills. Dont use them!
Forreal. Personally i find that meme corny af
I think it just triggers good feelings in them and is just “cutesy” enough
@@FrederickoWTF thats the problem you have. You dont have a vagina, so you cant say whats corny to them. Just like a hot girl and ugly guy going out. You think yeah right but shes madly in love. they are different creatures that look like us. Ez ones at that.
@@Bill-wm8tf idk bro girls love em. If you show her a new one and, shes like oh im stealing this one. You will stand out and didn't even say a word.
I feel like this is genuine good advice. I like your conversation style and you seem to come off as a cool guy. These videos made my life so much easier lmao
I like how there is ALWAYS the ryan gosling's meme lmao
I Downloaded Bumble yesterday after deleting the app a while ago, I managed to sort a date within a few hours of setting up my profile for later this week. Your videos have helped me out really quickly with the mistakes I'd make on my messages so thanks man 👊
Dude this is mind opening man. Watching this is like you the master unlock all the cheat codes, my mind just go puff. Subbed!
Lmao the curve ball at the end 😂 I'm dying! 💀 Honestly that right there helps me understand not to take these things too seriously 😂
Exactly
Alex, I have learned a lot from you. However, can you share some of your failures? Failures are just as important.
Yes I can make a video like that
Pure value, thanks.
I see time and time again you cover text very well, but enough about the date itself. Think that's also an important topic to give some attention to and I'm sure everyone would appreciate it.
For sure. I’m just not sure how I could go about “demonstrating” that since if I don’t tell the girl it’s illegal and if I do tell her it won’t be real. I’m open to ideas tho
Maybe shoot and check see if she's ok with it afterwards? Or you could just talk about what you do without a background video
I'm learning alot from you bruv, keep em coming
Thanks man
Alex, all your shit is very helpful. Don't stop. Curious if you could do some breakdowns with women in their mid 30's and low 40's as these are women I like to connect with as well.
Yes I could do that. Although, tbh it will look almost entirely like my other LRs. I have a few on the main site though of chicks 40+
Using your advice somehow came across as "too cocky" in this chicks eyes I was taking to 🤷🏽♂️
It is, its a great feeler. For example "come over for wine?" She says sure you say when are you free and goes ghost. Shes down for wine but not ready yet. Next day or 2 talk again get her feeling good slow down, move it to text and she will 95% chance sleep with you if you can just make her feel happy to talk to you. Once you get her in person dont Escalade too quick, he does cuz hes got options you gotta make it more about her without being a "simp" its ez if you just be cool and let her do all the talking
This seems to be the big question, whether to work just on the new connections or to see if it's worth the trouble saving the old ones. For me the old threads end up disappearing and eventually I have to delete. So good Job on reviving that from the dead (more than once). I wouldn't have thought it possible. Like the one chick told you, you are definitely patient.
However I did have good luck just once when a chick revived a months old thread, and re-opened me. Because I responded right away we saw each other that same night. So there's that. Nice job bro, again!
I think it all comes down to ROI. For example, if a 7 is flaky from the start then that’s prob not worth constantly persisting. But if it’s a 9 who seemed very solid initially then that might be a different story
Also, I spend 10-20 seconds coming up with a reingage text so it’s low energy expenditure, if it doesn’t work I have no problem moving on
I found this type of video very helpful! Preciate you
Glad to hear man
lol, funny ending. I was feeling bad for the lady throughout.
Video is fire. Very informative and straight to the point. Good shit man.
Thanks man
A magician telling how its done
awesome content dude
Solid stuff! Just a small question, is there a reason you do not use questions marks? It seems somewhat incongruent with the fact that you like to double-check for correct grammar. Do you do it to appear more laid-back or something of the like?
man u are the best. Thx for ur videos
So you lied to her? She said she didn’t want a hookup and you said uh me too when you are clearly after that ..? Dude cmon this “advice” is unethical
No. She didn’t want to just have a ONS and that wasn’t my intention either. People can have sex more then once
Me: Hi, trouble.
Every girl on tinder:
Seriously, "hi" is the blandest opener you can imagine, and someone still replying to it? And to top that you follow it up with a totally generic compliment? Guy, are you living in a city with 5 other guys and a 1000 women?
Where I live even matching up with a girl is hard enough, and you gotta put some effort into your opener and convo in order to keep it up. "Hi" followed by a compliment would lead me nowhere.
Seems to be example of a desperate 5/10 woman, chasing after a tall blonde guy more than any example of an effective Tinder strategy.
The girl will never take the lead man. You'd have to direct the conversation where you need it to go. When a girl only replies with a "Hi",
"Not even going to deny huh ;)"
@@PlayingWithFireChannel Uhm by taking the lead you mean something asking for your number?
Anyway, that wasn't my point. She did neither open nor reply with "hi", it was you.
If I just open with "hi trouble", I'm gonna get 0 response. Or if I'm lucky, maybe some from a desperate 5/10 chubby punky girl like in your example.
Just subcribed your chanel. You helped me a lot. Thanks
DAMN "I'll have to kiss it and make it better" Jesus. Fucking. Christ, What a smooth fucking move. holy shit.
Amazing video!
Thanks man
This is what I needed 🙏🏻
Hey Bro, Nice Video!!! Thanks from Brazil...
Thanks man
💥 as always
Do you think that having used voice msgs would have been more effective given that she needed to build comfort? Also what's your take on quick 10 sec selfie videos showing yourself and your place so the girl feels safe, while flirty talking ofc?
Awesome video
Landed the girl I dated for the last year with this. She invited me over before our date
Hey Alex great content as usual! Could you make videos on advice on face-to-face meetup or date on how would you escalate or flirt? Appreciate your videos man.
Thanks man. I actually already have videos on this :)
do more of these opener to date breakdowns
Will do man
what a comeback
I notice you wait about a day to respond, is this necessary to build your smv, or could you speed things up? Thanks
Nah that part is just me being busy. You can respond faster
Nerds are the ones who sign most checks on the planet. Respect the nerds.
DHV stands for "bragging", and that's not women want to hear. "Oh yeah, and you should go with me because I have a big car and I'll take you on a trip to L.A." Is that a real man talk a woman wants to hear? Who is the prize here? Man trying to "display his value" so he gets chosen by that chick?
You are trying hard to impress her with superficial things. She may choose you or may not. Her decision.
Instead, she must think SHE has to impress YOU, so you choose her, and so far she has done nothing to do that.
And "missing a little []her name] in my life" is just absolutely cheesy.
The fuck are you talking about. Where was the bragging in this video? Are you lost? DHV and bragging are not even remotely the same thing
He literally just answered honestly wtf else was he supposed to say 💀
I started using these dating apps last year when the covid lockdown hit hard. Let me just say since things have opened back up and I got my night life back... Its WAAAAAAAAY easier to just go out to meet girls and get dates. This dating app shit is way harder with completely shit luck for dating.
it took THIS guy almost TWO MONTHS to close this girl, this is why you should look for women in real life
Got 21 matches on my first day, none of them replied, Uninstalled right after.
You should see a girl's tinder, they usually have 1000+ matches and equal amount of messages so, no wonder if they don't reply
They were all waiting for the second day
@@LivinExtreme damn, I dont even know that. So it's more likely a competition.
@@PlayingWithFireChannel oh, so I need more persistent then. I will give it a shot one more time. Two more question, at what age you achieved the point of getting the girls you like? Is social value plays a big role?
New subscriber, I hope you achieved the attention you deserved on this channel! 😁
@@junbertfraylon936 yeah you should probably give it more than a day lol
I messed up and ask straight out for a date
Is this after a date has been set? Because beating around the bush for multiple days to a week sounds like a good way to not get a date.
great vid
Jesus Christ the amount of patience I just don't think I got it in me 😫
Nice videos! But I do see the same conversations being used multime times, you do have more don't you? 😏
Yes. I prob have over a 100 LRs from start to finish out there
hands down a beast
Nah bro hell nah this is just one example where it worked for you, this I would fail 9/10 times
cringe, not smooth
@Dominic dominic sure bro
at 20:49 you say you made a video on 5 steps to close optimally but i couldn't find it in the search results
Here you go man
th-cam.com/video/cS_EqRp0Us4/w-d-xo.html
@@PlayingWithFireChannel thanks
As Jordan Peterson said, average looking women have tons more options than average looking men. The average looking men competes for a very small amount of ugly women, while a very small amount of top men competes for the vast majority of women. These women rather stay single than going for the average male.
And if that sounds tough for guys, remember you have the time advantage. Guys can be very attractive until their 50s, while most women gets ignored after they have passed 40 (and most often even earlier than that).
That is fucked up tho how she ultimately ended up being the one to use you after you put in all that effort for an extended period of time
question: The girls say they dont want an ONS, so do you keep every single one of them as something like an F+, or booty call and stay friends or what is happening. Because isnt sleeping one time and loosing the contact basically the same?
or is it lying in the end, they say no ONS but they want it kinda?
Really depends on the girl and how much I like her. I require her to have great values, beliefs and the sex should be good. Only then will I bother keeping her in my life. Women do the same
Great video. Where can I get that shirt tho??
We discontinued them man. It was just way too much of a headache for the low demand. Maybe we’ll bring them back at some point
Can i ask for an other color on your text, light green is kinda hard for me, btw u are amazing, thank you for You content
Ignacio Molina it was only light green because the woman he was texting had an android phone
The follow up texts come across quite needy IMO. But worked for you
Good thing I'm not gaming you
This shits so helpful, I've managed to close on a few ladies, still get flaked due to "issues" on their end last minute, BUT much better than before, which was NONE lol
Please can you do a video on what to say exactly like how to steady keep the convo interesting
i dont think there is one exact way man
I know you heard this a million times but it’s not what you say it’s how you say it/ the vibe you’re creating. Just have 100% certainty in what you’re saying
@@Plump_Nick yet that is kind of hard to do whit text in my opinion
@@Plump_Nick true buddy I strongly agree with you,
Important point that most guys in these examples miss is setting up the actual date while the interaction is going well. There isnt much benefit in having long conversations over internet. Get the good vibe going and when there is a high point in the interaction - set a date. So basicaly don't even try to have these amazing conversations, the risk reward ratio of these is low.
Bro after telling you all the shit her ex put her through and how she has trust issues, and then proceeded to used you for a one night stand? This shit really gives me trust issues
If you tried these lines on British girls you would get laughed at or blocked
British girls are generally more sarcastic and intelligent. U have to really dumb down for American chicks
@@costa1788 exactly! We British are from a culture that spawned Shakespeare. "Swiped right for booty gains" doesn't cut it with our ladies
@@volkerwanderung1426 I mean yea I just meant that as more of a jab against Americans cause in most countries that tinder hookup shit is primitive as hell
I was watching a older video and your voice sounds purposely deeper lol
Lol that is what he’s doing. Good channel and info, but idk why he feels the need to purposely deepen his voice. It’s really obvious too haha
Nah, my voice has changed from trt and doing over a year of videos and becoming a lot more comfortable. If you hear me on the phone with my friends I sound exactly the same
@@PlayingWithFireChannel gotcha
Initially why did you take a day to
Respond, is that a tactic or you were just busy?
I was just busy
This shit is genius
Thanks man
What do you do if you are older and the younger women never even see your profile because they have age limited the people they see? Seems like these dating apps are useless for older guys? I have a friend who i swiped for fun, then called her and told her i swiped her and for her to give me her thoughts on my profile and she said shes never seen me on the app. Im literally swiping on people that never see me and it looks like ill never get swiped on by anyone under 30 (im 42) this is bs because literally all my matches (save for a few) are 35-40 year old single mothers that are post wall and barely over a 5 out of 10. Whereas i damn near look like a model.
Just set your age to lower then by 5 years
@@PlayingWithFireChannelthen what if they ask you on the date how old you are? I had that happen to me the other night and I went with the age on my profile
Bro I have trouble with keeping conversation going could do with a little help your so good at the chat game im a good looking guy an that dont always cut it with women is my opinion you gonna have good conversation 😒
Is anyone doing FaceTime or a video chat pre-meet? Considered it as a step but don’t see anything out there about it. .
I usually don't. Some girls just feel awkward about doing. Actually I do as well. I'd rather do IG to be sure first
@@PlayingWithFireChannel Ok cool. Thanks for the insight.
Hey @Playing With Fire, love your content and interested in buying your product. How do you usually double text girls that didn't respond to an opener like "Hey trouble" or others?
I've watched a lot of these videos and they are basically teaching boys how to create red flags. Keep playing your games, but don't sell it as "dating" advice. Toxic behavior invites toxic girls who make hook ups/fwb a nightmare.
What exactly is toxic here
@@PlayingWithFireChannel From what I have seen, these videos appear to encourage people to be manipulative, overtly sexual, and obnoxiously persistent to get what they want. "Success" is a hook up, and not actual dating, which is fine albeit misleading since the channel claims to give dating/relationship advice. A lot of the language here also boarders sexual harassment when applied incorrectly. I think you make good points, but without proper boundaries, viewers (especially teens) may misinterperet when these tips are appropriate.
I dont encourage manipulation. Aside from the ethical issues, it’s not sustainable or effective. A common thing most of the girls I see tell me is that they can’t believe how honest and straightforward I am.
Persistence is a different story. I definitely encourage persistence and that’s something most women enjoy as long as it’s done within reason.
In terms of encouraging hook ups. My approach has always been if that’s what you want there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Just like if you want a relationship there’s nothing wrong with that either. One is not better then the other.
Omg fk this shit, literally took months with almost perfect game 🤧
As a woman, I will say his game was not perfect. In my opinion, it was too sexualized. She backed off everytime he oversexed it.
@@GreenTara2010 Bruh I hate these shitty ass games. Every time I talk on phone girls like me but in messages they think I'm weird or dry lmao, why is that?
@@GreenTara2010 good point, when i text here and there for a few hours find something deep she likes. I usually get a i wish you weren't at work text a few days down the line and its 100% meet up no date required. He has to many to choose from cant blame the guy.
@@Artturih you got the red pill rage. I like to say its a drug. You are so inpatient. He spent 10 mins texting over 1 month and you say its been and eternity. You say they play games, but have you tried getting to know them or just asking for the hook up. Your dad talked to your mom in a way she fell in love? You should try doing the same.
@@robertromero8094 haha yea, lot has changed in 4 months fortunately. Nowdays I just wait for the girls to start the convo and that usually works out fine!
bro, where can I buy this shirt😂
Wtf is the we frame
How can I get the ryan gosling meme on tinder?
You can’t send memes on tinder unfortunately
It's been a couple of days bro and my text game is on flames tf...
Did you close more
Bro that shirt is 🔥 They still avail ?
Hey trouble!
Do you like wine?
We can share a bottle of wine on my romantic balcony.
BOOOM
Why don't you ever use something other than a wine date to meet up with a girl?
. Can you do video on post sex text game? How do you keep girls after sex?
I actually already have a vid on this man
I literally do all of this shit lol good stuff
What do you say when you say " hey trouble" and she asks " why do I have to be trouble" lol
“Well you matched with me for starters”
Question like that is playful from the start I'd just hook right away with a "you being trouble isn't bad but on the other hand me getting into trouble is another story" or something along those lines. all depends on tone.
This is so much effort for 1 girl beginning of March to end of April?! Nobody with a good job has the time for this BS.
Lol you don’t have to go to a bar mitzvah to know what a Shirley temple is
Bro you ain’t shower after that walk, straight to sex? Menace
he loves his couch doesnt he
Yes. Me & Rhaegar cuddle on it ever night
Way too much trouble! Go make money, get ripped. Much better use of your time.
Make a video on the girl coming over and the part up to where you escalate her..not to mention, the part after that would be a little awkard...like this comment if you want the video to be made.