What is so damn hard to understand? If you guys are average or below average, then date women in your league: average or below average. You're only going after photoshopped 18-year old Instagram models, regardless of if you're 40 and balding. What the hell do y'all expect?! Of course you're getting rejected
@@lizzinessbibi7202 lol. I wanted to write a longer comment but it's a waste of time! Good luck on life: your friends AND you who speaks on their behalf :)
I was at a restaurant with my family last year and I witnessed a tall Chad sit at a table next to us, all dressed up, obviously waiting for his date, he sat there for like 15mins before he walked out from being ghosted. It was jarring for me because I realized even Chad could be treated like that by a woman.
@Tj that’s insane. I’m 15 and wouldn’t consider myself a Chad I’m working on it but My closest buddies are Chads and they never get treated like that, Ghosted or left on read like that
maybe she was a catfish and knew he's gonna ghost her after meeting her in person so decided to not show up and chickened out! When women are insecure ...
@@Headhunter1-e4v I know that's why I stopped using them. Now that summer break is almost here Im gonna try to go out 2-3 times a week. I'm a good catch, odds are if I put myself out there, some women will appear that'll want to date me.
Mine was like 35 in the first 2 hours on bumble in NY. then it tapered down to 10 per hour. At the end of the week until I subscribed to it got like 2 per hour. But again i too stoped swping and focused on talking to women i matched. Definetly something is wrong with the algorithm. But I only dated 2., thats all i asked out. I dont feel right dating a woman who is swipping on countless men. Let alone make her my wife or gf.
@@beaniegenie8735 With this attitude you're doomed forever. You can change 99 things for the better and you focus on that 1 thing you can't change. Women are short in general, you need to be at least her size, not hard at all.
Only 3.7% matches for a 6'3" fairly handsome outgoing university guy? Only 3 dates? Yikes!!!!! What's this guy need, a face tattoo and a criminal record?
I made fake female profile with just picture of one flower. No bio ,no female pictures or anything and I got over 100 matches in less than 24hours. No wonder girls tend to overestimate their appearance so much.
Most men swipe without looking at the profiles. But women use it to boost their ego without thinking that we don't really take the time to look into their profiles. It's just surreal.
This was the case for one of my female friends. She used a fake name and just one picture with a glass of wine showing just a hand which wasn’t even hers and within an hour she was on 99+ likes. Within a week she was dating. I mean…. How?!
I believe you man, I had basically the same experience. Wheat Waffles kept saying the subject of this video had bad results, but honestly the subject did very good compared to most men, and I 100% guarantee the only reason he had some results is because he's 6'3.
Feminism has done a great job of brainwashing women to deeming men as being oppressors. Men are oppressive means men hold women to morality standards best for family and society. Women have deteriorated fast. The amount of wife material has gone from 1 in 3 to 1 in 50 in just 20 years.
Here's my experience that I've made on Tinder (and on bumble because I thought Tinder was broken): - Average looking guy, if the guy in the video is a 6/10, im probably a 4 or 5/10. Average body, going to university, average height. - used tinder and bumble for around 3 months - swiped around 3-4 times a week 100 times a day - probably around 40% likes - no tinder gold or any boosts - total amount of matches I got: 0. - total amount of people who liked my profile: 0. - What was i even trying to do? ffs Yea, no matches and no likes. No one even liked me by accident and I guess there was no bot or trolls liking me too. I've had some people help me edit my profile (guys & girls), i think my profile was okay. Just stay off tinder if you want to keep your self-esteem. Everytime you swipe, you could have done 1 push-up instead
Wow, that’s heartbreaking and I’m sure this can not be a true reflection of reality. As my mom always says “every pot has its lid”. I bet these sites have algorithms.. and if u weren’t paying for their services.. they prob hid your profile from potential matches to get u to pay. I hope this doesn’t ruin your dating life or hurt urself esteem… or any other guys! This is just a broken system. We need to get offline completely. The whole point of these online social media platforms is to keep us at home, alone, engaging w/ their content - earning them money. These things were not designed to benefit us in any real way - it’s all just a cover at this point. If I were you I would focus completely on in person dating, or approaching girls that you feel may be interested in you especially at university. Though, pls if you’re at “5/10” don’t approach the 8,9,10’s which many times young men & men generally do… from my personal experience as a girl. If you approach and “make friends” with a girl who is a 9, that means that for at least that whole semester you’re gonna focus on her and possibly miss your true match. Good luck!
Look at the bright side: Your story makes men like me feel better. I got at least about one like per week. Sure, they were not very attractive and it never lead to anything in the real world. But hey, I got some likes, even one or two matches in just a couple of months. On the other hand, I´m quite atheltic and have a masters degree in engineering. Guess that explains my "success"...
Surprisingly no bots or scammers matched you. Because you usually get those often. At least 1/3 of the matches were such obvious embezzlers that they could be exposed on the first message.
as a below average guy in looks, i just gave up in dating in general and just focus on myself and helping out my family to at least have a sense of purpose in life.
Dude if you wanna date and find a woman you could. As someone who's not traditionally good looking I've been with some women who are way better looking then me.
@@logank444 then you are lucky or extroverted with charisma. Dont you get it? Guys like this just had enough and cant take it anymore. I fully understand them. I might be one of them too soon.
@@arthurmorgan2906 but I'm not, im fat, dont have a big dick, I have crooked teeth. I just never gave up on myself. The charm and confidence didnt come till my 30s after years of hating myself and body. Men are lucky actually we dont need good looks to be considered attractive
That's a nice sentiment. I don't even have a family I want to help in any way because they've been leeching off me since I graduated high school 20 years ago and I've done fed up with it. Bettering one self is the best way to go.
He is a 6 though , nothing special about him, pretty average face, he’s only got height going for him and he looks really dorky . I guarantee if he didn’t look like such a dorky techie , he’d have more matches
There's a book called Casanova Playbook of Magnetism, and it talks from body language and conversaton starters to dark mind tricks and flirting through texts, it's the real deal
I did an experiment of my own, I'm an architect average looks, Firstly I made a profile like a normal person, with normal pictures. in 7 days no matches. Then I made another profile with the pictures of same day as before, same clothes same person but a nice BMW under the me. Got 8 matches in 3 hours . Guys don't go on these apps, it's just f*ing waste of time and value.
I did an experiment too. 7 dating apps/site over 3 weeks. No idea how many times I swiped. Got 5 matches. 3 were bots, 1 was a catfish, the last one never replied.
Thing is the apps have changed drastically since before COVID. Before 2019 it was pretty good, i'm not a bad looking guy and on Tinder I used to get about 7 or 8 matches a week with swiping once every 3 or 4 days, i'd miss out on quite a few women who swiped me as well as I wasn't interested. Bumble was much better, it'd be maybe 5-15 a week depending how active I was, but the quality was far higher than tinder and way more of them actually spoke, most Tinder matches never speak or can't manage more than one word replies. Since COVID started it's tanked, we are talking 1 match on Tinder every week or two and they are all incapable of speaking or holding a conversation, Bumble was still better at maybe 1 or 2 a week until i got banned for saying to a woman that i'm not putting pronouns in my profile as it's nonsense. Unfortunately i'm looking for a proper woman so i'm not putting anything that'll attract gold diggers to increase matches, it's futile. I was in 2 asian countries last year, one of them is an advanced country with people who don't actually want to leave. I used both apps in major cities and in smaller ones and the apps became almost unusable as every day it was 300+ likes and when you swiped pretty much anyone you swiped yes to was an instant match, problem is the conversations all got buried, in the poorer country many of them were using translator apps to speak to and actually didn't speak English so you'd meet and it would be awkward as hell. I think the problem is North America, Canada/USA where I live, something has changed here with online dating.
I am 6'4", mid 30s, average looking, skinny athletic, good social skills and sense of humor, good paying job, healthy hobbies (sports, hiking, traveling) No debts, no major issues, no drug use. I have had next to zero success on dating apps and gotten rid of them. This excellent video only reconfirmed what I already knew. Guys, get off the grid and get into real life. As far as women are concerned, warm and cold approach is the ONLY way to go.
@@TwistedLullabies Not cold approach as in "I must approach ten chicks per day". But should the opportunity present itself, I will go for cold approach. Nothing to lose, always win win situation.
I honestly think a lot of women just use tinder for male validation and attention, to get an ego boost. Also, in the real world, I've become attracted to men just from knowing them and them being kind to me. This isn't something that can be really done online.
It's true as they say men are more physically attracted to women whereas women want the whole package. Not saying they don't want physical attractiveness but for women theres more complicated than that. I dont think you're attracted to someone just through kindness shown though. There has to be some spark
@@ciararespect4296 for women is it as simple as for males I think you never saw how women reacts to tall handsome looking guys.. Is the same as guys reacts to good looking women
The problem is even if you meet girls irl, most of them have dating apps so when they go back home they'll still have those thousands of matches. This has ruined everything and people cope by saying "tinder isn't real life". IT IS. Even when you meet girls irl their brain will still be on tinder mode, so no matter where or how you meet her you're still competing with those top 5% of guys
I get where you're coming from but it's not necessary true. Talking to women in real life is way different than Tinder. There's a lot of girls i could never pull on tinder that i could have a conversation with in person and maybe get some interest from them.
The top 5% of guys don't waste their time on dating apps, they're socialising on a completely whole other level. You're actually competing alot lower down, which is even more worrying if you still can't gain traction. Women just want the best male they can attract, just like men do. What you need to understand also is that alot of attractive men underscore themselves and sleep with alot of substandard basic women. Men always tend to sleep down, while women sleep up. I probably wouldn't swipe right to 95% of the women I see on Tinder and other apps either, most of them are a mess.
Who said I was competing for these women of sand? Lemme be honest when I say that dating apps are a blessing because now the average man doesn't have to endure the hardships of the "Catfish": Women being who you want to be for a month and then exposing their true intentions, the average man can focus on bettering himself. Chad has limitless amount of puniti and I'm fine with that. I rather be invisible than enduring a woman that complains over ever single persona I have.
As a male, I've gotten 1 match and 1 like in the last 5 years. On every dating app you can name. 5 years. 1 match. The conversation was 1 sentence. I just said Good evening. And that was it.
I remember I tried to match on POF with girls that had nothing. Average looks, multiple babies, no job, never graduated and drama AND I STILL NEVER HAD A RESPONSE. That was eye opening. I had everything, they had nothing and still they thought they were too good. Women on those apps feel like GODS.
POF is worse than Tinder. Many women on there are basically losers themselves looking for flings with other bad boy losers. They live a mediocre loser life so it makes sense they want bad boy losers because it is really what their lifestyle is
Couple of years ago I created a female profile to see the other side of things. Turned out there were multiple times more men on the app than women. And that's the thing. Most of the quality women wouldn't use dating apps. That's why this guy in the video (who I would be happy for my daughter to date) isn't getting any attention. The women in his area want a man with tatoos and muscles.
Yeah they feel like, but they aren't, or are they? Solely they think bunga dates are equal partnership material, and the betray of modern feminism about age doesn't matter, the cougar lie... Imagine the hard bitter fall, they will encounter soon.
They made an experiment back then on TH-cam with a guy who had some Chad Pics on Tinder (wasnt his) and got a lot of swipes. During conversation he mentioned he was jailed for pedophilia in the past. The Answers he got were like: "Everyone made mistakes in the past, I think you should not be judged, followed by dating and even intercourse offers." Just a glimpse in the bizarre psychology and why there is barely any hope left for Men.
@@il9001 Nope you're wrong. The video was taken down already but I saw it with my own eyes and they were flirtacious, engaging and pro active in getting him to sleep with them.
I stopped using dating apps around 2016, I can't imagine going back to that. I rather have a splendid isolation and live the rest of my life alone, than create an account on Tinder or some other silly platform.
For some reason it's still not known to the general public that if you're not deemed desirable by the app's algorithm, they give you a low ELO score which basically shadow bans your profile. You're not ugly, just literally nobody ever sees your profile. What this also means is that at that point buying boosts doesn’t help. It doesn’t show your profile to x amount of people, it shows your profile like 10x more than usual. 10x0 is still 0 tho.
@@ProfWho-ut5he Great work! I'd love to see more of this. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't put a land whale on the covers of Cosmo, Fitness and SI magazines and demand we say they are objectively beautiful. Today, if a man isn't beautiful he's called ugly and if a woman isn't ugly she's called beautiful. It's just as biased against men as the MSM were against Donald Trump.
No joke, this guy is in his prime and will be for the next 10-15 years. He's too good for the dumpster fire that is Tinder. He's needs to just live life and meet women organically (i.e. work, school, gym, socializing, fun leisure/activities, etc.)
@@gokublack9080 That's not true. The tinder phenomenon obviously has also an impact how women see themself in real life. Best thing you can do right now is to become religious! It doesn't matter what religion!!!! Any religion is aware of this problems wheater we talk about christianty, islam, judaism, hindu or buddism. They all have restrictions for the women mainly but also for men. This is scientificly proven, that religious people have way more children than non religious ones. "Until death devides you"
@@yyysamuel3215 women's standards have gone through the roof and you're at risk of being cancelled for being too unattractive as that's classed as harassment. Meet IRL at your peril. You better be chad.
The one thing he left out is that the women you will match with will often be far below your rating. You will likely only see 3s,4s and 5s in your matches which further frustrates oneself
If you’re doing online dating, you can, on average, deduct 2 points of your SMV. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Means a HTN will date mostly below average women. Law of supply and demand.
Exactly. That’s the whole conclusion of average male dating experience. Getting rejected by Stacys and crying about it online making it seems like no women ever wants them (probably because female normies are not even considered as women to them lmao)
@@emmarose7491 stop.... just stop..... When you're alone for an extended period of time, men adjust their standards. Women don't. Men will even take 3s or 4s because we're hornier.... Get out of here with your nonsense.
The thing that kept me on Tinder for a long time is that between 2014 - 2017 I had a really significant experience on Tinder, not only with more matches but also significant chats and dates, and my profile photos looked worse than today, my bio was worse, I was a worse conversation starter than today, and still I got good results! From 2017 on the experience nosedived noticeably and I could say the pandemic was coffin nails. My theory is that Tinder worked great for first adopters because of lower competition, and as the amount of guys increased exponentially, even above average guys got obliterated.
As someone who didn’t get on tinder until 2022 and find a girlfriend after 2 months my theory at least what I think is that it’s easier in rural areas than it is in the big cities. I don’t consider myself a chad, no hollow cheeks and lack the jawline chads have yet I was still able to achieve success on tinder. I come from Montana a rural American state, the gender demographics aren’t even favorable in my town (52% Male 47% Female) but i was able to get a girlfriend. I feel as if I was from the city rather than rural Montana I would be like everyone else in the comments.
Tinder has changed a lot over the years, I remember using it back in the day like 2014 and actually getting some matches and it was completely free, no paid tier subs like it is now. The apps been completely changed into a revenue generating machine and nothing more, between the disgusting hidden algorithms to the grossly overpriced subs. Ive tried using it once or twice over the past couple years but its just deafening silence. You'll get a few matches in the first couple days of creating a new profile and then it completely drops off (hidden algorithm) and all those matches you are just left on read anyways. Complete waste of time.
Ive been on dating apps(before there/they were apps, there were websites) and it was a far better experience than it is now. Not gonna pretend i was dating left and right, but people actually made conversations. I went on a date every now and again. And while it didnt lead to anything long-term, i still had a number of great(and a few terrible/annoying) experiences. Now its like no one wants to talk, and these apps are all geared to take your money. Bots galore, women looking for a man-bank, and stilted/one word conversations all the time. Its sad.
Can confirm things were more balanced and people more willing to chat before 2018-2019 and now it's an absolute nightmare on all sites, apps, platforms. Nobody puts any effort in, the swiping model is horrible, all the more traditional dating sites are dead where you could actually write out a full and interesting bio and manually search through profiles and send direct messages.
In my opinion, these are not accurate results, since- he sent 99 messages, there is high chance they are generic boring intro messages like-hy, how is going, how are you etc. He didnt for sure sent 2 longer sentences which prove that you read details of their profile, and not swiped just because they are female. He wouldnt have time to think of some quality intro messages, he probably just sent same intro like copy-paste to others to see what will happen. That explains such huge ghosting ratio, because i rarely get no reply, from 10 matches i maybe get 1 or 2 with no reply, and some of them reply in 1-2 days if not same day.
Only if you're average. After lifting and working on my body for years, I'm meeting girls on tinder around the clock, and they write to me first. It's super easy to get them if you really work on your physique.
My parents set me an arranged marriage .where the girl and me talk about ourselves and got married in 1 month where both of family members and parents are happy .. Im lucky to have her .we shared our opinions and education and interests . we are happily married.
Bruhhh. This guy ain't a 6 he's more like a 7.5-8 on looks, jawline, height, skin, looks fairly well kept and what seems like a healthy lifestyle. Educated and with some interesting hobbies. We don't even stand a chance. 😭
Lets be real this guy is a 5-6. If thats you in your pfp oh boy, i understand why you overrate people. I hope thats not you and just some bloke you set your pfp as to make fun of cuz thats brutaaaaaal.
I think you are right. he is a 7.5-8 on looks and has his shit together. I think his problem is women want a 'bad boy' that will toss them around and give it to them hard. This guy doesn't give off that vibe. Idk how you are supposed to give off that vibe other than to just look like a tool with tats, backwards hat, and tilt your head back with gang symbols up.
Lmfao an 8. Incels yet again exposing their ideology of nothing more than the fault of false delusions. Makes me think that the supposed "average men" they constantly include themselves in as "struggling" are actually just genuinely ugly people if they overrated this dude so much.
@ProteusXF Exaclty, if you go out in the streets often, taking busses and the subway, you will see that the average person is far off from the "average" you see in social media. This guy is definetely good looking.
Women will tell you that you need better photos, that you need to improve your bio etc. When I chadfished I had 3 bedroom selfies and a one liner bio. After a day I had hundreds of matches. Online dating is 100% about looks.
Bullshit unless your face is superstar level selfies wont work they wpuld just look austistic and they wontatch you if you dont have insthram out and verified.
Most of the guys that I know that "beat the game" (got married), did so without much effort. A woman came into their life and chose them, and they chose the woman. There wasn't any extensive dating or games, they just got really lucky and it worked out. They have kids and families now, while I'm still single wondering why I can't meet any women
You are right. There's a lot of luck involved in marriage. You have to find a woman that has decided she wants to get married. You have to pass the "first impression" test to get a date.. Then if you do get married, 50% chance you will get divorced. If you are not divorced.. huge percentage chance that the marriage is not really that happy lol. The point? Just because your friend has kids doesn't mean that the marriage is happy. Lots of couples put on the good front, the man brags about how awesome his wife is, then they get divorced 6 months later. Focus on your own goals my friend, even if a woman is in your life, only you can control your own happiness. (Not meant as a lecture, just trying help)
Happened to my best friend. He never even went on a date or really even tried with women then one day he magically finds someone online and she moves all the way from LA to Indianapolis. Then they're engaged and get married and been married for 7 years now with 1 kid. He was just 24 when he got married too
They were lucky, it’s sadly true, when a girl happens to “choose you”, you’ve already won - you can say something stupid, even make the date terrible and she’ll just laugh it off and still want you. There is no complicated dating/flirting/getting to know for days, only to be ghosted/rejected.
Paul is right. It really is luck.. plain and simple. I've had friends of mine try to debate me on this but once they start to think about it..... they suddenly go silent and realize I'm right. Wether you call it fate, destiny, luck, whatever... it's generally something completely out of our control. If I participate in a podcast again I'll def bring this up as I just don't hear to many people acknowledging this point. Finding someone is a matter of luck.. not choice. So many variables involved it's nothing but luck. A good friend of mine who is older than I am and still a virgin, never had a girlfriend told me once..... "Relationships aren't a choice if it was never an option first." No truer words spoken.
I think it will eventually happen. I think we should start demanding transparency and certain quality of service, for example you pay to the app only if you get a date or some other scheme.
Why do men assume they're entitled to get responses? If the dating apps never guarantee you'll get responses then it's arrogance/delusion to think you'll get many replies. It's just people posting photos and text . It's a crazy way to meet someone.
I think Tinder is something that actually has an influence on today's world in terms of relationship, fertility rates, demography and more. Because of how it works and what it promotes, many hearts have been broken. Sure, many people got married as well, that's true. But overall experience for medium to okay looking guys is rather a disaster and leads to a massive time waste.
It's awful! My wife left me a few years ago and it's been impossible to move on. I can't get a simple coffee date. I'm a military veteran, college educated, a content creator by trade, I have steady income, I'm decent looking, I'm in great shape at 40 years old, I have fun hobbies, I like animals, and yet, nothing. What makes it worse is people have always assumed that women are just attracted to me. It's to the point now where the fastest way to piss me off is by complimenting my looks. I wish I were just butt ugly. At least then there would be a reason...
@@atavism-dream I don't have any friends. I have one acquaintance I hang out with a couple of times a month. Other than that I spend most of my time with my cat an my mother. I've already given up. And as far as escorts go, I'm too worried about getting busted. But at least I have an excellent excuse as to why I don't give a flying fuck about women's rights. Can't get an abortion? I guess you better shut your legs then and get a good calendar.
@@atavism-dream I’m not sure what’s worse. •that you seriously believe that because one gets rejected it means you are “too good” for them • or that you think I’m so stupid, that I’m going to believe all that nonsense you wrote.
@@blahblah2779 The average female has the personality and competence of a tree stump let's be real. They're attractive but that's about it. Exceptional females are gigachadonly.
Ive once created a fake profile on Tinder, with pictures of a Romanian male model, a 9/10 at least. I was shocked at how bad my matching rates and conversations were even then. It should be just not worth your time.
Makes you wonder if there are actually real people behind these profiles or just bots looking to take your money? Have to remember that alot of people gave their image rights away with certain party apps years ago.
I actually had the opposite effect. I used some fitness influencer who looked like he was straight out of Twilight and I got at least 5 matches per day.
The fact you can't write to someone without first matching is a death sentence for most guys out there. Tinder defaults to just looks. Your game, charm, confidence, none of it matters on Tinder.
@@Dominik40301 tbh I'm older and remember the IRC days when I could chat with a girl for a few hours or even days before we exchanged pics. And by that time we've created some sort of an emotional connection, albeit superficial and this helped a lot. When you've already invested emotionally in someone even if they don't look the best, you're much more likely to go out on a date with them. Tinder is extremely focused on superficial looks and this is what is detrimental to dating.
Someone needs to do this with an actual "average" looking man. 290 matches is killing it. And one needs to always bring up the sheer number of bots or girls who are only marketing their OF or whatever.
No, it's actually a little bit below the average. Mikhail Peterson (Jordan Peterson daughter) brought online dating up with a guest on her podcast. Says around 4.1% of women will swipe right with men on tinder. So, about 290/7886 is 3.7% which is around it but still below.
@@mikelisteral7863 It's that more than anything. The actual women who use Tinder are trash. They're just left-overs that are either too high maintenance or are too oblivious/mentally ill to understand that they were the problem in there past "bad" relationships or they feel they deserve some ideal being that could never exist, so they flock to Tinder for an ego boost and to have hoards of men swoon over them. A guy being average guy isn't the problem when he's got nothing but severely below average women to choose from and letting their insane/idiotic standards sway him into thinking he has less worth than he actually does is the real problem here. My advice to all my fellow men out there: just don't use dating sites, unless you want someone who's pure garbage and hate having an actual relationship with someone.
@@knighnp Should use number of right swipes, not percentage. More male than female users could explain this, as well as more swipes per day per male user. Even with gold.
This guy gets it. I keep telling people about the perils of online dating but many people just keep at it. I know one guy that is paying over 120$ a month on several pointless dating apps yet he says he has "no money for the gym" and "healthier food is expensive". DOH!
I'm Asian Australian from Melbourne. I had tinder for years and literally did not get a single date out of it, and maybe 20 matches. I didnt use it much, but enough to know it was pretty pointless. Then when I travelled to South America and tried it for fun I was getting quite a few matches (I'd say I'm average looking). So there's that too. I remember in the old days of okc I had a rough 'rule' that for every 100 likes I'd get 10 matches, and of those maybe 1 date. So 1 in 100. If this dude is getting 3 dates from 16k thats wild. If I was a woman he'd seem pretty attractive to me.
The problem is: womens use of make up and other appearance augmenting measures leads to an inflated sense of attractiveness. This is why we hear even extremely average or below average women claiming they want "tall dark handsome" when in reality they should be going for 5/10 blokes.
Yeah, I feel the "self-inflation" of attractiveness is definitely a big part. Even without makeup, it's a commonly known and well-researched phenomenon - people will tend to rate themselves higher than average (usually 7/10), even if they are perfectly average or under-average. If it makes you feel better though, parts of this video that are inherently misleading or straight-up wrong if you understand how human perception works. The subject is quite average in terms of looks. There's a lot of research done on this topic, but the fact is that if you think someone is "just above average" they are probably just average. And I don't think everything else is particularly impressive either - the only *real* strength he has is his tall height, and that is even offset by some of the other profile points that make him less approachable. No offense to your friend, but it seems like he is as average as can be (which is normal), so it is only to be expected that he isn't getting tons of girls on these dating apps. In an environment where there are many more girls than guys, it makes sense that girls are more "choosy" and your average male isn't getting many hits. It's simply logical - he's not as "good" as the video makes him out to be, and being perfectly average on a dating app usually doesn't cut it.
lol true, i can vouch for this and im a straight guy. I'm into alt fashion right now (kinda goth) and use eyeliner, nail polish, and other accessories like earrings I'd say I'm a 6/10 in terms of looks... but slightly above average in terms of my body since I work out. But because of my fashion style, I scored some hot girls through tinder I guess styling yourself really does make a difference 🤷♂️
It’s so correct, im 27 and luckily I met my Now fiancé and mother of my Child on a night out when I was 19 which was before tinder really kicked off. My girlfriends sister is 24. She is exactly like this video, gets a rediculous amount of attention on social media. But it’s just like WW says she never finds a real relationship because the only guys she goes for are in the top 10% of looks. They just pump her and move on. She won’t accept a normal looking bloke though. This is how messed up woman’s perception of what they deserve in a relationship has become.
glad you saved yourself the struggle :) i think everybody has experienced that people seem to be prettier the more we like them - that's not really a factor on dating apps (not before meeting in person). body language and hormons are extremely important for finding people attractive, but that only works when being physically near each other.
My gf's friend did the same thing. I told her to stop chasing all the super hot guys. Those guys have ZERO reason to stay as they can get all the women.
@trollnerd because there arent that many type of men to go around for all women. and why would a chad settle down with a girl when he can just pump and dump them if theyre stupid enough to let him?
His mistake was not posing next to a $400,000 car, a millionaire mansion, and a high class suit. With the word on his description, looking for a sugar baby to spoil.
On my tinder, I pose nearby my fathers SF90 and I dont have any matches as well, that doesnt work either... I added the photo just to see whether it will change, but no, not at all
Same here...I'm 36 and just started...it's as bad as they say. Most women won't even have a conversation anymore, even though they lose absolutely nothing but time. I have gotten about 5 matches in 3 months and I'm not that great looking...one date (she was new to dating, too and an introvert as well, but wasn't what I wanted as she was also too busy to date and seemed indifferent), but the other women...one was an absolute racist...one wanted friends with benefits, but wouldn't be my first (I'm a virgin, too), and one wanted to control everything in my life after only 2 days of conversation. Still trying as I paid for 6 months and not gonna waste my money. But as it appears now...it's probably a lost cause.
Sad reality is that even subfive girls are trying for chads instead of someone of their own tier. Credit goes to simps who have overrated them all the time 🤬
@@riproar11 although i would say that asian women are not necessarily subfive. But yeah i agree with u. Chads use lower tier women for casual hookups and one night stands coz its an easy and effortless win.
@Max Larson do you also have a close chad friend? I have 2 of them, in their mind both are blue pill and its hard to bare to hear their jokes and also when they communicate their standards/values if some other "normie" guys talk about whom they flirted with. They will joke if "it was their material" and maybe mock a person if they talked only. There might be a glimpse of naive way of thinking that this is as easy for anyone if you know tricks (as they do not realise they are only able to live their small wannabe-high-society-life because of looks). In the end I do not get that most of them have never thought about this. They wouldn't understand a word and one of them even tried to make me feel better about me and my average looks when I spoke to the "more bluepilled" one about looks and about kind of girls he can get and what girls I will get if I try. He did not really got the point and an evidence I notice just right now while writing my text: He looks hispanic, but has a more oriental looking brother. This brother has not that much luck with girls like him. He also knows his non-chad brother is unhappy about this but the chad-brother only reflects the "unhealthy" way of thinking in which his non-chad brother somehow "competes with him in his mind". The chad only sees the mindset stuff and (possibly real) mindset "mistakes". That these people all do not reflect these things...
True. If men were a little more critical with swiping on Tinder.. those sub 5 girls have also not much options. Desperate men no standard men on dating apps are the problem that women are so picky right now! Incells are a incells worst enemy!
@@shreyassen4260 How can many Asian women not be sub-five?? There are plenty of unattractive ones with really flat faces. In Asian countries, they are the leftover women who work in factories sewing Timberland jackets, assembling iPhones, and cutting up fish. From my observation and from word of mouth from fraternity friends, many tall good looking chads did a lot of sub-five women. One sub-five lived many days per week in the frat house and was passed around like a beer.
The best conclusion of this video is that it’s better to spend $30/month on a gym rather than Tinder. I used to be a bit overweight and started hitting gym hard about 12 years ago. What I noticed as I was slowly progressing (don’t let the speed discourage you!!!!) is that the women that I was drooling over previously, were not as attractive to me anymore because my own self-image was improving. I started to get compliments from those girls which seemed unrealistic before. But at that point I could reach higher level girls. And I have. And it’s the best feeling when you know you’ve accomplished this by yourself. Nothing else but determination and discipline. Guys, the best thing you can do to attract women is to work on yourself. No games or tricks will do the job long-term. Make it your life mission to become the best version of yourself. You will see how the world around you changes and more and more girls start paying attention to you and smile first. Place YOURSELF first. Work on yourself. Fitness, work, hobbies, charisma. I guarantee that you will be rewarded.
Clichéd nonsense. You don't get rewarded. Work on yourself for yourself but it won't lead anywhere because no woman is going to invest the time to 'find you'. They are receiving so much attention in their face that they don't need to seek out the stoic guy working at the gym who is nobly waiting to be approached.
What a weird attitude. You seem to be assuming relationships are the result of strangers just approaching and hitting on each other. That's like 0.1% of relationships. Most people meet women as part of their daily life, work, hobbies, etc and get to know them that way. You don't need someone to 'notice' you at the gym, you will interact with women and they will get to know you through normal life.
@@kmacgregor6361Oh really, only 0.1% of relationships come from online? Where is your data for that? What utter nonsense you are spouting. Society is atomising, Covid accelerated that and many are ensconced in their phone centric bubbles. You seem to be living in the 1950's.
That is the best approach but for different reasons. As you focus on yourself you signal to others that there's more important things to you than chasing tail. Especially to women you signal that you have a purpose in life. And that's what hooks them. Money helps, looks and a great physique help, but the most important part is having a purpose. That's why they like bad boys. Cause they dont make women the focus of their life. Bad boys have another purpose and even if that's being bad it's still alot better than focusing on women. Here's the rule: Boys chase women, women chase men and men chase their purpose.
Well said about the opportunity cost: every activity is better than wasting your time on Tinder et such. Both statistically and in terms of self esteem/mental health, you get better rewards even playing video games or biking. I would not put "hope" in the pros. Disappointment is a huge setback and false hopes foster low self esteem. Those apps detroy your psyche to entertain a few women, you become their toy. No one should ever stoop to being a product for others to play with.
It's not just online dating. In previous generations the average man had something to offer with stability on a single wage. Nowadays, what does the average man actually have to offer? government welfare, women's hypergamy out of control and average men are living extremely lonely lives. All women have intrinsic value which is sex (juggernaut law), chad has intrinsic value with superior genetics, but what inherent value does the average man have? No wonder men end up exiting life.
The average man is not needed because the gubmint provides women with everything. The enemy of man is actually government, men need to adopt the anarchist mindset
Over a year ago when everybody was wearing masks, much younger women would confuse me with being younger because I have a full head of hair (hardly any gray) and physically fit. I went into a market to purchase a few items after hiking in my shorts. The woman at the cash register starts criticizing the high fat content of the cream cheese I purchased. I explain to her that I am on a high fat, moderate protein, low carb diet. I walked away wondering why she was even talking to me. After I got home and replayed our interaction I realized she was sh*t testing me. I am so accustomed to women having poor attitudes, I don't know when they are hitting on me
Codeoncommand, Your logic is flawed. Most women on the planet date average men. This is evidenced by going outside and seeing looks matched couples. Average is the most common of anything. Average has to be 51 percent or higher of anything. Arguably 90 percent or higher. It's impossible for the vast majority of women to date/marry outside the 90 percent average. Black pill TH-camr Travis Blackpill has questioned the very essence of black pill. He's currently making YT videos debunking women dating chad and chad lite men. He argues the vast majority of women date average oofy doofy guys. The guy has revealed the deep flaw/truth at the heart of black pill. The truth is women date average looka/average income men not chad. I accept if you're 3 out of 10 on benefits you may prove the black pill is true but Travis Blackpill maintains women date oofy doofy men (arguably 4 to 6 looks). Travis is the most black pilled guy I've ever seen on TH-cam and even he has conceded women date average looking men.
Tinder hinge and other dating apps gave me suicidal deviation. September 25th 2021 is when I made peace with the black pill and got over the bargaining phase of the stages of grief. My purpose in life is to become a single father via surrogacy.
You must experience grief before acceptance. The knowledge of the blackpill is to ensure you move on from the bargaining stage to grieving. Mourn the fact that your odds for success with women are against you and then move on.
It's not just tinder. It's Instagram and tiktok. Most women don't open tinder because it's overwhelming and they can't handle the choice paralysis. It only gets worse over time as they simply keep accruing more followers.
@@mosiarmstrong I've been dating online for over 20 years, it's convenient there is no way to me anyone here otherwise. I had three kids with a shit woman, got a new woman tho, and my kids are my life, saved my life in fact. Nothing wrong with places to meet people, but yeah, be wary, do your background research, if her parents hate her that's a good indicator.
@@mosiarmstrongit’s because all these women had buyers remorse basically, they got fucked and thought they’d get more out of it. All of a sudden this shift in wanting relationships came and that’s when the app got a bit dry
@@arushford big facts. I have been using online dating sites since the 90s (remember LavaLife? ) I honestly think it's all about finding the right site to begin with, one that aligns with your needs and wants, then being patient enough to meet someone who Is good for you. I'm glad to hear it seems to have worked out for you.
Years ago, before tinder was super popular I went on a blind date with what is now my wife. We hit it off right away. We're both normal people, have great careers earning six figures each, children together, and now a home. I feel like nowadays we would have never matched based of how these apps work. They're designed to keep the user in an infinite loop and paying to play like some sort of casino. I got super lucky finding a quality girl, but my advice would be to stay off these apps.
Goooood for youuuuu. But yes you are correct. All about money. I’ve had tinder say the same 20 people have liked me for 2 years. Everything is a scheme now days.
Wow, I didn't realise how grim it is. I've had a couple of long term relationships and many dates off tinder, even so I find those apps absolutely soul destroying. I've been on a few dates lately with an old flame from years ago who I never really got to know at the time, so far she seems amazing but I still have a hard time believing I have a chance with her because swiping on tinder has left me feeling like a reject. Fingers crossed I keep having an ace time with this girl. She should definitely be out of me league but I'll enjoy it until there's a reason not to
once i made a female account on a dating app. it was an experience. the rules were 1) never write first, 2) try to scare them away by being as nerdy/extreme as you can. i had over 20 people writing me in the first 24h and couldn't manage to scare most of them away (until i told them i was a guy - that worked well). i could pretty much write what i wanted, choose who i wanted and almost always got replies. another test was when i made a small experiment with a friend. we were testing response ratios for different first messages. we had "hey", "hey, how are you?", something personal that shows we read the profile, something funny, and something intellectual. the best one was "hey", closely followed by "hey, how are you?". the rest didnt work that well (but led to the more interesting conversations to be fair). though, most women i asked that used tinder told me they want to read something personal or interesting that shows effort. after those two experiences, i stopped using dating apps altogether.
Hey Wheat Waffles, could you do an experiment where you make two identical male profiles, but make one say "bus driver" and make another say "investment banker". It would be great to quantify how much difference money makes.
@@Ri-hr4uy lots of blackpillers argue that moneymaxxing doesn't work. I agree in the terms of a long term relationship but if you can fake it well enough I belive you can get consistent one night stands.
There are many experiments where a group of men were put in a "Usual Suspects" lineup and women viewed them from the other side of the mirror. They brought in some men 5' tall and told the women that one was a specialized surgeon. For the over six-foot guy they gave him the job title of gym teacher. The job title doesn't matter as much the closer the man is to having a height of six feet tall and over.
He's right . Been there done that. Best results for girls , jobs ,deals etc. IS WHEN I'M NOT LOOKING ! Focus on what you do have control over. Life will live.
I did well getting matches and dates on these sites. At least twice a week. My coworker calls me a Chad, in fact. I’m here to tell everybody that going into a dating app is like going into a grocery store where all the food is half eaten and returned spoiled. I stopped. I really don’t go for women in person anymore, either. Your perfect girl will come along organically, and you’ll have a real relationship come from it. These women are out of their damn minds. They all think they’re 10’s. We need to stop putting every pretty girl on a pedestal and start demanding a personality from them. For now, the well has been poisoned. Don’t bother. Reach your goals and enjoy your hobbies. Those are worthy investments.
So basically you want 4.5 billion men to against what thousands of years of evolution have programmed into us. What got us this far to begin with. You want us to just shut that off …? Ok swell plan.
He has that "nice guy" look about him. When you see women on Tik Tok whining about..."Where have all the good guys gone?", especially, those who hit the Wall. It's guys like in this video they are passing up on. Women are in search of the Chad who is a gentleman like we're in search of the unicorn. Neither of them exist! What a messed up world this is.
>Neither of them exist Chads do exist and will sleep with these women on one night stands leaving them "alpha" widows. These chad-sexual roasties are dooming us all.
Women only want nice after they've been ravaged by abusive men. And it's usually a short stint with the nice ones, they want to get back to the overconfident, macho, highly aggressive men (who will abuse them again). And the cycle repeats
What women want: a guy who is tall, strong, handsome, athletic, well-endowed, smart, funny, confident, creative, charming, ambitious, adventurous, educated and successful. Must have a nice car and a large income. What women offer in return: nothing. "Emma Rose" is now crying.
@kiro_minev a pastor once said that the girls at church always complain to him that they always pray to god for a godly man who is strong ,six ft., tall, handsome and blonde hair and they're frustrated because god is not blessing them. But the pastor said maybe god has someone else's for them that don't fit their standards. Even the church girls want a perfect man.
TBH, all these numbers are normal and to be expected. In a sexually promiscuous culture, the balance of power when it comes to mating options heavily favors females. Dating apps just act as a force multiplier, scaling the numbers up tremendously. IMO, women get screwed over by dating apps as well, just in a different way. They are led on with seemingly endless options, but when combined with their natural hypergamy and a modern, feminist mindset, they usually only match with sexual options. This is sad because women naturally seek relationships over casual sex, but when infected with this perverted mindset and armed with these apps, they end up wasting years of their youth instead of building the families that would make them fulfilled and happy. I know a majority of you reading this probably think they get what they deserve, and there’s definitely truth in that. However, please keep in mind that we are all the result of our environment and culture. Women have been sold a bill of lies, that they can abandon traditional gender roles and be whatever they like with no consequences.
Yes we all buy products around vitamins culture religion and tradition. Even though these things are clear factors and how One turns out. It's still never sat well with me with people using it as a cop out or an excuse. Because I like what you said is they are somewhat aware of it even with the conditioning but they get into the desire side of it. They see so many of the options of course they want to pick the best and only choosing the best they're only going to get f boys at the end of the day people will easily abandon common sense and logic when they think they can get more. But pretty much you're not wrong but you're observation
"ignore their cries of pain, close your heart to their suffering for they will not feel for you" don't let empathy be your down fall, be indifferent to them. theses women willfully waste years of their life to bag a chad all the while destroying every man who would actually care for her with out a drop of remorse. if they end up alone that's their own damn fault, they had their chance. let them fall because you best believe they will try to destroy if you so much as warned them of their foolishness.
If only women could look a little deeper and realise that they aren't looking within the right range. Tinder would be a lot fairer if even the top 20% of Men got matches but it's only rated for the top 1%.
The issue is that average women cant understand they're average and wont accept the reality of having to date their own level.So instead they aim out of their league due to ego.
ive thought and spoken about this for a couple of years. i call it the goldfish syndrome. women's inboxes have 100s of waiting messages because men tend to clusterf**k everything. as a result our individual value drops. ive gone out with or chatted with quite a large number of women. ive found that even after talking for a few weeks and maybe going out a couple of times, i always felt easily replaceable. a woman can be obviously into you but let there be one funny text that is misunderstood or one day you text too little or too much or ( true story) wear a shirt she doesn't care for and BAWOOSH she'll flush you and replace you with another that in her mind is identical...like a goldfish. . men collectively do it to ourselves but also women have let all this go to their heads . they don't compromise or communicate they dictate . all we as men can do is....take no shit from them either. make her jump through a few hoops. block a chick or two. it will change your defeatist attitude and eventually , if we all approach this thing with standards and pride, women will come back to Earth.
You're right, men do tend to screw everything up. It's that nothing to lose attitude. They just don't get the point and don't wanna move out of the way for the next guy. I've been saying for a while that men need to collectively let women starve of attention. I truly believe that would fix a couple of problems. As far as being replaceable, I agree with that 100% as well. I'm a pretty high value guy, got a few things going for me. I can be sitting with a girl on a coffee date, and I can almost read their mind. They're always just looking for the next guy. Doesn't matter if there's one right in front of them, they want to play the game, not win the game. I can tell that even if they like me, like a lot, they already want a way out. Plus, they'd rather have a simp than a confident man right now. I used to operate under the mentality that I am a definite catch to a woman, and that my competition is low. This would be the basis of my dealings with women. If other men are mentioned, I'm not intimidated or jealous. If I am questioned about why I do something, I am confident enough in myself to stand that ground. Only problem is now, statistically speaking, my competition is no longer low, it's higher than ever before in the history of the planet. So in women's eyes, I have been reduced to any other man.
Yes you're right, the solution nowadays is to let the woman work to be with you, if she's willing to go the extra step then chances are she will stay with you. It's the sunk-cost fallacy.
Hell it’s not even just about value, there’s literally not enough time in the day to answer every message thoughtfully if the woman has a life outside of dating apps, and even if not, option paralysis is a real screw.
I've heard quite a bit of horror stories about Tinder. So a few years ago, I decided to give it a try and see how experience would turn out. My expectations were extremely low but they weren't low enough. Got around absolutely nowhere and the conversations I did try to start from matches were either to no avail or just another bot sending a weird link. Tried to be as genuine as possible and still nothing. After a few months, I just deleted it and never went back. This didn't affect my self esteem by any means as I expected shallowness like this but goddamn, I can understand why it would affect others negatively. Guys, don't go on dating apps, it's really not worth it.
That was me back in the day. I too am 6'3" and I'd say I'm ok looking. I've spent 7 years in my university town in my 20s and I NEVER met a woman there. I've met women ocassionally in my home town but I've gone for years without any action. There's certainly been things I could have done better, but who doesnt realize that later in life? The same is true for lots of my friends. Good guys who're fun to be around, some actually pretty good looking, well mannered with a good outlook in life got absolutely no where until they reached their late 20s. And by that time they adjusted to a single lifestyle. Now the women wanted to settle down but the guys rather worked on their bus to travel the world. Too bad. Anyway, for young guys there is few things they can do. It's an uphill battle until you turn 30. And when you do chances are you dont want to settle anymore. Cause women are actually pretty annoying.
I remember using Tinder when it first launched all the way back in 2012, the experience was totally different than it is today, it was much better, I had many dates and I looked worse than I look today and I had much less money. A major reason of that it's because the app wasn't so insanely monetized, so the algorithm was not fighting against you all the time like it is now to make you buy boosts and subscriptions to get you some visibility. Also I'm pretty sure when tinder first started, girls wasn't so picky as they are today (5% likes) in these dating apps.
The software and the women have both changed for the worse. Even in 2016 I was still able to get responses and seemingly normal conversations online. Tried again recently and it was like floating in the north atlantic at night during winter.
this app is just a total scam. Tried it two times, got only one date after spending hours and hours and money and more money. 15 years back I signed up in a different web site for dating, and I could talked to many girls, and have several dates in just a few months. It was totally different, it was way cheaper, and I got way more results. That made sense, Tinder should be banned and stopped.
I'm 46 years old. My wife and I have been together sence the 10th grade of high school. I'm soo glad I'm not in the dating game today. I don't like the games you're expected to play. As for being a 46 year old. I believe I'm above average for when looking at the categories you've placed in front of us in this video. Yet, I'd be terrified of having to approach women in today's social atmosphere. Women think men are supposed to have feelings made of steel. We're supposed to put ourselves out there for all to see us get rejected or to be called creepy. Women need to check what they're doing to the current dating world. If staring is a problem, how are you going to make eye contact with anyone??? If approaching someone is creepy, why do you expect to be approached??? If saying no once means no, why would you expect to be chased??? These games used to be exactly that, games. And could be fun. But it's become down right dangerous. Nobody wants to play a dangerous game. Not when you have no clue what you're gonna win.
I feel this completely. I am an autistic man who has always struggled with dating, and I haven't dated in many years. At one point, I got so desperate to the point where I turned to Bumble as a last resort. Sad to say, it didn't do shit for me. I literally used Bumble for over a year without getting a single in-person date from it, so I eventually gave up on it. However, you also have to keep in mind that I am in a smaller area. I am not in a big city like this guy is, so that only further compounds the problem.
Im autistic(high functioning) as well im invisible to women makes me think there is nothing worthwhile in dating. In fact I been in POF forever 6 years I send the first message and rarely get a reply. If I do get a non message notification it’s a so and so’s “like” I look at the profile and it’s some hooker trying to say pay for my date and get action I say hard pass. I given up on dating modern women they just not worth the effort jumping through and over flaming hoops and bottomless pits.
Assuming that's you in your pic the your solution is simple: lose some weight until you can see abs. Post photos with no shirt and with you out with your friends. If going out isn't your thing: suck it up. I had to do the same thing. The good news is once you go through that crash course you learn enough you're now able to play. From there you'll be okay.
As a european, germany, he has no problem at all to find a pretty girl over here. He is looking ok, slim, and has the size. A normal job will be ok. Every time I see something about dating in the USA, I think your society is so fu..ed up.
On dating apps, maybe. But not in real life. To fix women's perception of average attractiveness, men need to stop simping. Exiting the scam that are dating apps is a step in the right direction.
@@Michael_the_Drunkard yeah , also a small percentage of chads engage in a relationship due to the unlimited options they have and yes chad will only get in a relationship with his looksmatch
@@Michael_the_Drunkard no, doesn’t mean she won’t cheat on you with chad. That’s what a lot of women do. Marry a less desirable man who can provide, and is caring and kind etc. Then cheat on him with chad. That way they get both their needs fulfilled.
Guys, to give you a reality check of where you stand on dating apps if you aren't minimum a high 8 in looks with good photos, make a fake account as an average looking woman and swipe right on everyone until you run out of swipes. Do this for 3 days and watch your phone blow up with matches and messages. I got 250 matches in just 24 hours which is more than I have ever gotten my entire life, the amount of messages were also overwhelming. I encourage that every man does this once to give them a better understanding on just how low of a chance you actually have at any success on these apps.
Yeah I tried this once too. I made a profile as a woman just to see, and it's insane how easy women have it. I matched with every single guy I swiped right on and got bombarded with messages.
And somewhere in the ocean of messages will be one from us. The chick may even find us interesting but would be overwhelmed by the attention, so we pass their mind
So you see why women only swipe right on so few men? Because otherwise they are overwhelmed by the sheer volume of messages. I mean, there's more reasons, but that's one of them.
@@sockpuppet1 How is a woman supposed to ever be able to select a viable romantic partner? If she has so many options to the point if she does choose a guy, won't she constantly question if she's settling?
his 6'3 height makes him an overall 7/10 at least even with his humble 6/10 face. But I honestly think his face is closer or if 7/10. Plus he's got good job and good lifestyle above avg in the west. So technically he is better candidate than like 80 or 90% of men out there because of these plus he's height is in the top 1% He's lifestyle and income is already like top 20%. The only thing that is below is his face which is already in the top 30%. Plus he runs JWB and he doesn't have to face ethnic tax lol. Can you imagine if he was ethnic and had all those qualities and gets like 0 matches cause ethnic tax and while being a 6'3 above avg ethnic is brutal.
People don’t realize that putting yourself on tinder is actually objectifying yourself. And a 6/10 for this guy? I think he looks really good, especially in the dog photo. Stop looking for desperate people’s validation, cause that’s what this app is all about.
I used some dating apps before the covid situation and no wonder I struggled a lot, like 2 matches per week in average. Moreover, when I was lucky enough to get a date, the girl oftenly didn't look as good as her profile pictures. Eventually I got some very good middle term relations and one is still living in my appartment, but when I compare her Tinder and mine, there is such an injustice that should be fixed by going back to the old way
I have a six pack, pretty wealthy and got matched with a fat overweight coarse woman and she ghosted me....I knew something was wrong with these apps....never used one for 2 years....so much happier.
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I have been using tinder on/off from 2013, so you could say I have seen it all. Someone here in the comments talked about the evolution of tinder and monetization. Tinder is going downhill for men and has been since 2016-2018ish. I think those years were the turning point. Before those years I got over 1000 matches, had multiple dates and had lots of sex through tinder. Well that was younger me and I'm not so proud of those times BUUUUT to the point ; Now I only get maybe 2 matches in week and Im much much better version of myself in all aspects of life. Tinder is broken for men, dont use it. If you use it you only boost the egos of women -> women of low "level" think they are higher "level" -> hypergamy = they dont want men of their actual "level" -> no happy couples -> birthrates go even deeper down -> you pay more taxes -> you are fucked
Yes but the point is what happened to tinder is a more extreme microcosm of what is happening to society at large with the hyperinflation of female SMV relative to men.
I tried it and realized online dating was a dead end 20 years ago. And that was at a time when they weren't actively working against you. It was just a big digital bulletin board where people put their profiles and then talked to each other. If it was a hellscape then, how awful is it now with pay to win mechanics and an algorithm designed explicitly to keep you single as long as possible?
I've even experienced this during first dates in person. its amazing that someone wants to know you in person, is excited to meet, but then once you meet, just basically stays quiet and makes YOU start every conversation and asks all the questions. I had this happen 2 days in a row on dates and I thought it was me that was boring.. Right up until the other person actually decided to reciprocate a little. Which for about 5 minutes it went really well and wasnt awkward. But then they put all the effort back on me and I felt really awkward being the one who talked the whole time.
Modern dating is getting to the point where all you can really do is looksmaxx best you can and hope someone takes an interest in you. Women have such absurd abundance and so much access to Chad that any kind of dating strategy is a joke.
@Alex they are not, there is a reason simping has become a thing. I often wonder the guys who claim to check out, whether secretly those guys are out there simping like fck.
Been off tinder (deleted my account) for the last 3 months. Honestly the best thing I have done as I have felt more confident, save time and feel more social. Please do the same guys as it's not worth it
what about when all you do is go to work, but don't have much interaction with people your age? The world is so disconnected these days, and every girl who uses these apps will always get matches, but boys won't unless they're a Chad.
@@MachonaVideos we can always improve ourselves and trying to make us look good. But not for the sake of tinder or dating, I recommend this because it feels REALLY NICE watching yourself in the mirror and being confident in what you see. Nowadays I don't have that good amount of matches on tinder or bumble, I use them occasionally to look for the girls that are my type. But girls had hit on me, in person, twice, that is, really really weird. They ended up being students so not much happened with them (purposely) but really improves my confidence.
Also, women tend to use this for 2 reasons men usually don't. This can explain why he found no partner. 1. They're more social, when their bored they go on to text with no intentions of ever meeting. 2. They go on for self esteem boost from compliments
If that dude's a 6/10 I'm fucked lmfao
What is so damn hard to understand? If you guys are average or below average, then date women in your league: average or below average. You're only going after photoshopped 18-year old Instagram models, regardless of if you're 40 and balding. What the hell do y'all expect?! Of course you're getting rejected
@@lizzinessbibi7202 wtf who hurt you
We’re all fucked my guy 😅
@@lizzinessbibi7202 lol. I wanted to write a longer comment but it's a waste of time! Good luck on life: your friends AND you who speaks on their behalf :)
@A P 7? hahahaha
I was at a restaurant with my family last year and I witnessed a tall Chad sit at a table next to us, all dressed up, obviously waiting for his date, he sat there for like 15mins before he walked out from being ghosted. It was jarring for me because I realized even Chad could be treated like that by a woman.
@Tj that’s insane. I’m 15 and wouldn’t consider myself a Chad I’m working on it but My closest buddies are Chads and they never get treated like that, Ghosted or left on read like that
maybe she was a catfish and knew he's gonna ghost her after meeting her in person so decided to not show up and chickened out! When women are insecure ...
I'd consider myself a chad and I've dealt with plenty of ghosting and flaking, everyone gets treated like garbage on the apps.
@BX no one takes u serious on the apps.
@@Headhunter1-e4v I know that's why I stopped using them. Now that summer break is almost here Im gonna try to go out 2-3 times a week. I'm a good catch, odds are if I put myself out there, some women will appear that'll want to date me.
2.5 matches per day in average.
Me as an ugly guy:
That's so impressive!
Yea, try 2.5 matches per month.. that's more realistic for an average guy.
I got 2 matches in the past 2 years 😂
But i didn't try too hard to be fair..
Mine was like 35 in the first 2 hours on bumble in NY. then it tapered down to 10 per hour. At the end of the week until I subscribed to it got like 2 per hour. But again i too stoped swping and focused on talking to women i matched. Definetly something is wrong with the algorithm. But I only dated 2., thats all i asked out. I dont feel right dating a woman who is swipping on countless men. Let alone make her my wife or gf.
I‘ve got 1 Match after two months of intensive swiping. Thats so frustrating…
they 0.1 per day club, ye baby. but fuck them hoes, we hit the gym
I feel like all men should boycott dating apps
Na you just need to adapt
Instead of getting better you feel like boycotting. You're doomed forever.
@@JackD0ffah yes let me get taller
@@JackD0ffalso great name
@@beaniegenie8735 With this attitude you're doomed forever.
You can change 99 things for the better and you focus on that 1 thing you can't change.
Women are short in general, you need to be at least her size, not hard at all.
Only 3.7% matches for a 6'3" fairly handsome outgoing university guy? Only 3 dates? Yikes!!!!! What's this guy need, a face tattoo and a criminal record?
Yeah.... It's unreal.
Add a few bodies to his basement and vvomen will be all over him. vvomen have a thing for murderers, apparently.
Tbh he‘s not a Chad at all. So he‘s competing against the best 5%. And against the he has no chance.
@@sensoeirensen chadlite
@@oxymoron9821 guy is barely above the middle tier normie lookswise
I made fake female profile with just picture of one flower. No bio ,no female pictures or anything and I got over 100 matches in less than 24hours. No wonder girls tend to overestimate their appearance so much.
but the matches were all from lawn care companys
Most men swipe without looking at the profiles. But women use it to boost their ego without thinking that we don't really take the time to look into their profiles. It's just surreal.
@@brianpowers4998 exactly men swipe like a crack head dont take it personal girl’s you treat us like trash so you’re a piece of meat to us
It shows that swiping is a broken system.
This was the case for one of my female friends. She used a fake name and just one picture with a glass of wine showing just a hand which wasn’t even hers and within an hour she was on 99+ likes. Within a week she was dating. I mean…. How?!
I went through thousands of women on tinder years ago never got 1 date so I never went back. Waste of time and just kills self esteem
Lol
this !!! it’s so damaging man , i tell any guy i know to STAY OFF
I believe you man, I had basically the same experience. Wheat Waffles kept saying the subject of this video had bad results, but honestly the subject did very good compared to most men, and I 100% guarantee the only reason he had some results is because he's 6'3.
This guy had 250 matches, which is huge but a success rate of less than 4% (she leads), which is abysmal
Feminism has done a great job of brainwashing women to deeming men as being oppressors.
Men are oppressive means men hold women to morality standards best for family and society.
Women have deteriorated fast. The amount of wife material has gone from 1 in 3 to 1 in 50 in just 20 years.
Here's my experience that I've made on Tinder (and on bumble because I thought Tinder was broken):
- Average looking guy, if the guy in the video is a 6/10, im probably a 4 or 5/10. Average body, going to university, average height.
- used tinder and bumble for around 3 months
- swiped around 3-4 times a week 100 times a day
- probably around 40% likes
- no tinder gold or any boosts
- total amount of matches I got: 0.
- total amount of people who liked my profile: 0.
- What was i even trying to do? ffs
Yea, no matches and no likes. No one even liked me by accident and I guess there was no bot or trolls liking me too.
I've had some people help me edit my profile (guys & girls), i think my profile was okay.
Just stay off tinder if you want to keep your self-esteem. Everytime you swipe, you could have done 1 push-up instead
Wow, that’s heartbreaking and I’m sure this can not be a true reflection of reality. As my mom always says “every pot has its lid”. I bet these sites have algorithms.. and if u weren’t paying for their services.. they prob hid your profile from potential matches to get u to pay. I hope this doesn’t ruin your dating life or hurt urself esteem… or any other guys! This is just a broken system. We need to get offline completely. The whole point of these online social media platforms is to keep us at home, alone, engaging w/ their content - earning them money. These things were not designed to benefit us in any real way - it’s all just a cover at this point. If I were you I would focus completely on in person dating, or approaching girls that you feel may be interested in you especially at university. Though, pls if you’re at “5/10” don’t approach the 8,9,10’s which many times young men & men generally do… from my personal experience as a girl. If you approach and “make friends” with a girl who is a 9, that means that for at least that whole semester you’re gonna focus on her and possibly miss your true match. Good luck!
Look at the bright side: Your story makes men like me feel better. I got at least about one like per week. Sure, they were not very attractive and it never lead to anything in the real world. But hey, I got some likes, even one or two matches in just a couple of months.
On the other hand, I´m quite atheltic and have a masters degree in engineering. Guess that explains my "success"...
Surprisingly no bots or scammers matched you. Because you usually get those often. At least 1/3 of the matches were such obvious embezzlers that they could be exposed on the first message.
@@niklasmolen4753 yea i think my profile probably wasn't shown to anybody since the beginning
@@niklasmolen4753 yea i guess my profile just wasn't shown (from the start somehow).
so even bots didn't get the chance to swipe me
as a below average guy in looks, i just gave up in dating in general and just focus on myself and helping out my family to at least have a sense of purpose in life.
Same here. I'm also figuring out how to raise funds for a non-profit that means a lot to me.
Dude if you wanna date and find a woman you could. As someone who's not traditionally good looking I've been with some women who are way better looking then me.
@@logank444 then you are lucky or extroverted with charisma. Dont you get it? Guys like this just had enough and cant take it anymore. I fully understand them. I might be one of them too soon.
@@arthurmorgan2906 but I'm not, im fat, dont have a big dick, I have crooked teeth. I just never gave up on myself. The charm and confidence didnt come till my 30s after years of hating myself and body. Men are lucky actually we dont need good looks to be considered attractive
That's a nice sentiment. I don't even have a family I want to help in any way because they've been leeching off me since I graduated high school 20 years ago and I've done fed up with it. Bettering one self is the best way to go.
Thank you for telling the truth about these predatory apps and helping men in these dark times.
The times are dark but truth is light
the absolute brutal part is that this guy isn't average. He clearly falls in the 6-7/10 Range.
Well said Fella …. 💯
The apps AND the women are
@@harsh3948 Truth
If he's a 6/10 then we really have no hope, dude's genuinely good looking
fr tho
He is a 6 though , nothing special about him, pretty average face, he’s only got height going for him and he looks really dorky . I guarantee if he didn’t look like such a dorky techie , he’d have more matches
@@salga6705 He's not a 6. Most women would say he's a 3/10 to be honest.
@@OccidentalAryan I'm a woman and he would easily be a 9 for me ? Idk what parameters he uses to rate them
@@Marinaacr i agree with you, he is really handsome. I was shocked when the guy called him a 6/10, he is nowhere average looking.
There's a book called Casanova Playbook of Magnetism, and it talks from body language and conversaton starters to dark mind tricks and flirting through texts, it's the real deal
It's not
Haha there’s a mastermind call ump
@@soundrogue4472Let’s talk about the details. Which advice to you think is illegitimate?
@epicbehavior all of it
I found there is something better than that book, your genetics.
If he weren't 6'3" he would've gotten 250 less matches.
This, 100%. The sad fact of the matter is the only reason he got as many matches as he did is because he's 6'3.
And an inkwell for life if he was 5'7 and below xD
@@coops1992 aww man.. im 5'7.
@J Meadows its all good, short king status will get me all the ladies
You accidentally typed 5 instead of 9.
I did an experiment of my own, I'm an architect average looks,
Firstly I made a profile like a normal person, with normal pictures. in 7 days no matches.
Then I made another profile with the pictures of same day as before, same clothes same person but a nice BMW under the me. Got 8 matches in 3 hours .
Guys don't go on these apps, it's just f*ing waste of time and value.
Yup, just gold diggers.
That's actually really good insights. I put a picture of my driving my old boss' vett and got way more matches
I did an experiment too. 7 dating apps/site over 3 weeks. No idea how many times I swiped. Got 5 matches. 3 were bots, 1 was a catfish, the last one never replied.
The girls and women on these apps are all fake and shallow. Mostly gold diggers and only fans hos
Thing is the apps have changed drastically since before COVID. Before 2019 it was pretty good, i'm not a bad looking guy and on Tinder I used to get about 7 or 8 matches a week with swiping once every 3 or 4 days, i'd miss out on quite a few women who swiped me as well as I wasn't interested. Bumble was much better, it'd be maybe 5-15 a week depending how active I was, but the quality was far higher than tinder and way more of them actually spoke, most Tinder matches never speak or can't manage more than one word replies.
Since COVID started it's tanked, we are talking 1 match on Tinder every week or two and they are all incapable of speaking or holding a conversation, Bumble was still better at maybe 1 or 2 a week until i got banned for saying to a woman that i'm not putting pronouns in my profile as it's nonsense. Unfortunately i'm looking for a proper woman so i'm not putting anything that'll attract gold diggers to increase matches, it's futile.
I was in 2 asian countries last year, one of them is an advanced country with people who don't actually want to leave. I used both apps in major cities and in smaller ones and the apps became almost unusable as every day it was 300+ likes and when you swiped pretty much anyone you swiped yes to was an instant match, problem is the conversations all got buried, in the poorer country many of them were using translator apps to speak to and actually didn't speak English so you'd meet and it would be awkward as hell. I think the problem is North America, Canada/USA where I live, something has changed here with online dating.
I am 6'4", mid 30s, average looking, skinny athletic, good social skills and sense of humor, good paying job, healthy hobbies (sports, hiking, traveling)
No debts, no major issues, no drug use.
I have had next to zero success on dating apps and gotten rid of them.
This excellent video only reconfirmed what I already knew.
Guys, get off the grid and get into real life.
As far as women are concerned, warm and cold approach is the ONLY way to go.
No, definitely not cold, unless you're highly attractive
@@TwistedLullabies Not cold approach as in "I must approach ten chicks per day". But should the opportunity present itself, I will go for cold approach. Nothing to lose, always win win situation.
Have you gotten laid via warm/cold approach?
Cold approach is nothing different than dating apps tbh. Is all about looks.
@@yyysamuel3215 No.
In France I get likes in the range described in the video. I went to Vietnam : I had 100 likes in 12h. Cultural difference...
Sir if he is AVERAGE then I'm FUCKED. 💀
I am triple fucked, or worse
He's well below average actually. Learn the female gaze.
He's not attractive to me. Just average.
im ripped and good looking still the same.. only i match with fatter or the hotties never write back.
@@craz4jaymz What's attractive to you is irrelevant, he's objectively a good looking guy.
I honestly think a lot of women just use tinder for male validation and attention, to get an ego boost. Also, in the real world, I've become attracted to men just from knowing them and them being kind to me. This isn't something that can be really done online.
That's not attraction and never lasts.
Trust me I know this is true because the fake friends I have proves this
Stop the lie Tiana
It's true as they say men are more physically attracted to women whereas women want the whole package. Not saying they don't want physical attractiveness but for women theres more complicated than that. I dont think you're attracted to someone just through kindness shown though. There has to be some spark
@@ciararespect4296 for women is it as simple as for males I think you never saw how women reacts to tall handsome looking guys.. Is the same as guys reacts to good looking women
The problem is even if you meet girls irl, most of them have dating apps so when they go back home they'll still have those thousands of matches. This has ruined everything and people cope by saying "tinder isn't real life". IT IS. Even when you meet girls irl their brain will still be on tinder mode, so no matter where or how you meet her you're still competing with those top 5% of guys
I doubt most girls irl are on dating apps looking at the stats. I think it's more likely for them to get corrupted via social media
I get where you're coming from but it's not necessary true. Talking to women in real life is way different than Tinder. There's a lot of girls i could never pull on tinder that i could have a conversation with in person and maybe get some interest from them.
The top 5% of guys don't waste their time on dating apps, they're socialising on a completely whole other level.
You're actually competing alot lower down, which is even more worrying if you still can't gain traction.
Women just want the best male they can attract, just like men do.
What you need to understand also is that alot of attractive men underscore themselves and sleep with alot of substandard basic women. Men always tend to sleep down, while women sleep up.
I probably wouldn't swipe right to 95% of the women I see on Tinder and other apps either, most of them are a mess.
Who said I was competing for these women of sand? Lemme be honest when I say that dating apps are a blessing because now the average man doesn't have to endure the hardships of the "Catfish": Women being who you want to be for a month and then exposing their true intentions, the average man can focus on bettering himself. Chad has limitless amount of puniti and I'm fine with that. I rather be invisible than enduring a woman that complains over ever single persona I have.
Exactly! I always have to point this out to those 'Tinder is not real life' people.
Best video on dating apps I ever watched , literally deleted all my dating apps as I was watching this video !
Briefly hopped on the apps after a breakup and then deleted them after rewatching a Wheat Waffles video that set me straight lol
As a male, I've gotten 1 match and 1 like in the last 5 years. On every dating app you can name. 5 years. 1 match. The conversation was 1 sentence. I just said Good evening. And that was it.
About the same for me
In a month i got less than 20, at one point i had tinder and badoo installed. Escorts for me buddy boyo
Bs, why would you keep using it then
lift, shower, get money. It'll happen.
Do you swipe left on below average looking women? You're probably aiming too high my dude.
I remember I tried to match on POF with girls that had nothing. Average looks, multiple babies, no job, never graduated and drama AND I STILL NEVER HAD A RESPONSE. That was eye opening. I had everything, they had nothing and still they thought they were too good. Women on those apps feel like GODS.
It's this 'goddess' culture I'm sure of it, imagine if men started calling themselves gods women would lose it! 😂
@@clozza4033 some of us are trying.
POF is worse than Tinder. Many women on there are basically losers themselves looking for flings with other bad boy losers. They live a mediocre loser life so it makes sense they want bad boy losers because it is really what their lifestyle is
Couple of years ago I created a female profile to see the other side of things. Turned out there were multiple times more men on the app than women. And that's the thing. Most of the quality women wouldn't use dating apps.
That's why this guy in the video (who I would be happy for my daughter to date) isn't getting any attention. The women in his area want a man with tatoos and muscles.
Yeah they feel like, but they aren't, or are they? Solely they think bunga dates are equal partnership material, and the betray of modern feminism about age doesn't matter, the cougar lie...
Imagine the hard bitter fall, they will encounter soon.
They made an experiment back then on TH-cam with a guy who had some Chad Pics on Tinder (wasnt his) and got a lot of swipes. During conversation he mentioned he was jailed for pedophilia in the past. The Answers he got were like: "Everyone made mistakes in the past, I think you should not be judged, followed by dating and even intercourse offers." Just a glimpse in the bizarre psychology and why there is barely any hope left for Men.
I don't believe it. Otherwise they might have replied that kind of answer to not be threaten by him (and ghosted him, blocked him later).
@@il9001 Nope you're wrong. The video was taken down already but I saw it with my own eyes and they were flirtacious, engaging and pro active in getting him to sleep with them.
@@hischransen8069 That's disgusting... but it says a lot about the kind of women they are... And who would like to be with such women?
@c l Ah yeah, that's it (or at least a video based on the one I saw). Thanks for sharing!
You ppl take Tinder and sim. apps way to serious really now
I stopped using dating apps around 2016, I can't imagine going back to that. I rather have a splendid isolation and live the rest of my life alone, than create an account on Tinder or some other silly platform.
For some reason it's still not known to the general public that if you're not deemed desirable by the app's algorithm, they give you a low ELO score which basically shadow bans your profile. You're not ugly, just literally nobody ever sees your profile. What this also means is that at that point buying boosts doesn’t help. It doesn’t show your profile to x amount of people, it shows your profile like 10x more than usual. 10x0 is still 0 tho.
True. I made experiments with male model pics and still did not get any matches.
cope. i did experment and it mental ly crashing given my 1 in 500 match ratio vs models 1 in 15
That’s what I been saying to people!!
@@ProfWho-ut5he Great work! I'd love to see more of this. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't put a land whale on the covers of Cosmo, Fitness and SI magazines and demand we say they are objectively beautiful. Today, if a man isn't beautiful he's called ugly and if a woman isn't ugly she's called beautiful. It's just as biased against men as the MSM were against Donald Trump.
@@Cameron_David_ mate, there’s nothing they don’t do for business reasons. They really don’t give a shit whether you and i find a girlfriend or not
No joke, this guy is in his prime and will be for the next 10-15 years. He's too good for the dumpster fire that is Tinder. He's needs to just live life and meet women organically (i.e. work, school, gym, socializing, fun leisure/activities, etc.)
Factos
@@gokublack9080 That's not true. The tinder phenomenon obviously has also an impact how women see themself in real life. Best thing you can do right now is to become religious! It doesn't matter what religion!!!! Any religion is aware of this problems wheater we talk about christianty, islam, judaism, hindu or buddism. They all have restrictions for the women mainly but also for men. This is scientificly proven, that religious people have way more children than non religious ones. "Until death devides you"
The age pill will be setting at point
The problem is even if you meet girls irl, most girls are using dating apps too nowadays in 2022.
@@yyysamuel3215 women's standards have gone through the roof and you're at risk of being cancelled for being too unattractive as that's classed as harassment. Meet IRL at your peril. You better be chad.
The one thing he left out is that the women you will match with will often be far below your rating. You will likely only see 3s,4s and 5s in your matches which further frustrates oneself
I'm proud to say that in my day my dates were prettier than I am.
If you’re doing online dating, you can, on average, deduct 2 points of your SMV. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Means a HTN will date mostly below average women. Law of supply and demand.
@@bigneiltoo nothing to be proud of. Dating was literally 100x easier before the internet.
Exactly. That’s the whole conclusion of average male dating experience. Getting rejected by Stacys and crying about it online making it seems like no women ever wants them (probably because female normies are not even considered as women to them lmao)
@@emmarose7491 stop.... just stop.....
When you're alone for an extended period of time, men adjust their standards. Women don't. Men will even take 3s or 4s because we're hornier....
Get out of here with your nonsense.
The thing that kept me on Tinder for a long time is that between 2014 - 2017 I had a really significant experience on Tinder, not only with more matches but also significant chats and dates, and my profile photos looked worse than today, my bio was worse, I was a worse conversation starter than today, and still I got good results! From 2017 on the experience nosedived noticeably and I could say the pandemic was coffin nails. My theory is that Tinder worked great for first adopters because of lower competition, and as the amount of guys increased exponentially, even above average guys got obliterated.
As someone who didn’t get on tinder until 2022 and find a girlfriend after 2 months my theory at least what I think is that it’s easier in rural areas than it is in the big cities. I don’t consider myself a chad, no hollow cheeks and lack the jawline chads have yet I was still able to achieve success on tinder. I come from Montana a rural American state, the gender demographics aren’t even favorable in my town (52% Male 47% Female) but i was able to get a girlfriend. I feel as if I was from the city rather than rural Montana I would be like everyone else in the comments.
Tinder has changed a lot over the years, I remember using it back in the day like 2014 and actually getting some matches and it was completely free, no paid tier subs like it is now. The apps been completely changed into a revenue generating machine and nothing more, between the disgusting hidden algorithms to the grossly overpriced subs. Ive tried using it once or twice over the past couple years but its just deafening silence. You'll get a few matches in the first couple days of creating a new profile and then it completely drops off (hidden algorithm) and all those matches you are just left on read anyways. Complete waste of time.
Ive been on dating apps(before there/they were apps, there were websites) and it was a far better experience than it is now. Not gonna pretend i was dating left and right, but people actually made conversations. I went on a date every now and again. And while it didnt lead to anything long-term, i still had a number of great(and a few terrible/annoying) experiences. Now its like no one wants to talk, and these apps are all geared to take your money. Bots galore, women looking for a man-bank, and stilted/one word conversations all the time. Its sad.
Can confirm things were more balanced and people more willing to chat before 2018-2019 and now it's an absolute nightmare on all sites, apps, platforms. Nobody puts any effort in, the swiping model is horrible, all the more traditional dating sites are dead where you could actually write out a full and interesting bio and manually search through profiles and send direct messages.
Ya dating apps at first was fine wasn’t cooked and people actually talked and dated but now it’s become a beast
Not just waste of time. Waste of money too. And waste of electricity.
Considering the money energy attention and time, the juice is not worth the squeeze.
Try a waste of phone storage space.
In my opinion, these are not accurate results, since- he sent 99 messages, there is high chance they are generic boring intro messages like-hy, how is going, how are you etc. He didnt for sure sent 2 longer sentences which prove that you read details of their profile, and not swiped just because they are female.
He wouldnt have time to think of some quality intro messages, he probably just sent same intro like copy-paste to others to see what will happen. That explains such huge ghosting ratio, because i rarely get no reply, from 10 matches i maybe get 1 or 2 with no reply, and some of them reply in 1-2 days if not same day.
Only if you're average. After lifting and working on my body for years, I'm meeting girls on tinder around the clock, and they write to me first. It's super easy to get them if you really work on your physique.
@@tedstersscience1637most girls could not care less about if you lift
Keep spreading the message man. As long as men keep simping for women on social media and dating apps, it will never end.
My parents set me an arranged marriage .where the girl and me talk about ourselves and got married in 1 month where both of family members and parents are happy .. Im lucky to have her .we shared our opinions and education and interests . we are happily married.
@@drbh6331 how does this help men in any kind of way ?
Yes simping needs to stop. I don't follow IG models anymore.
@@distortion7465 Don't mind this idiot, they think life is black and white.
@@drbh6331 are you an Indian btw?
Bruhhh. This guy ain't a 6 he's more like a 7.5-8 on looks, jawline, height, skin, looks fairly well kept and what seems like a healthy lifestyle. Educated and with some interesting hobbies. We don't even stand a chance. 😭
Lets be real this guy is a 5-6. If thats you in your pfp oh boy, i understand why you overrate people. I hope thats not you and just some bloke you set your pfp as to make fun of cuz thats brutaaaaaal.
I think you are right. he is a 7.5-8 on looks and has his shit together. I think his problem is women want a 'bad boy' that will toss them around and give it to them hard. This guy doesn't give off that vibe. Idk how you are supposed to give off that vibe other than to just look like a tool with tats, backwards hat, and tilt your head back with gang symbols up.
Lmfao an 8.
Incels yet again exposing their ideology of nothing more than the fault of false delusions. Makes me think that the supposed "average men" they constantly include themselves in as "struggling" are actually just genuinely ugly people if they overrated this dude so much.
No he isn’t. You have not seen actual 8+
@ProteusXF Exaclty, if you go out in the streets often, taking busses and the subway, you will see that the average person is far off from the "average" you see in social media. This guy is definetely good looking.
This video is great, and an eye opener. I will stay off those apps and focus on improving myself. Thanks.
Women will tell you that you need better photos, that you need to improve your bio etc. When I chadfished I had 3 bedroom selfies and a one liner bio. After a day I had hundreds of matches. Online dating is 100% about looks.
Proves many women these days are just looking for hook-ups, sabotaging their long-term relationship potential.
You are 100% correct!
Height is also only issue if you are a midget like 5'5 and below. Women would pick 5'10 actual Chad over this 6'3 blonde guy easily.
Bullshit unless your face is superstar level selfies wont work they wpuld just look austistic and they wontatch you if you dont have insthram out and verified.
Everything is about looks to a vast margin, even iq or intelligence is related to good looks
Most of the guys that I know that "beat the game" (got married), did so without much effort. A woman came into their life and chose them, and they chose the woman. There wasn't any extensive dating or games, they just got really lucky and it worked out. They have kids and families now, while I'm still single wondering why I can't meet any women
You are right. There's a lot of luck involved in marriage. You have to find a woman that has decided she wants to get married. You have to pass the "first impression" test to get a date.. Then if you do get married, 50% chance you will get divorced. If you are not divorced.. huge percentage chance that the marriage is not really that happy lol. The point? Just because your friend has kids doesn't mean that the marriage is happy. Lots of couples put on the good front, the man brags about how awesome his wife is, then they get divorced 6 months later. Focus on your own goals my friend, even if a woman is in your life, only you can control your own happiness. (Not meant as a lecture, just trying help)
@@paultest4544 thanks Paul. Good points indeed
Happened to my best friend. He never even went on a date or really even tried with women then one day he magically finds someone online and she moves all the way from LA to Indianapolis. Then they're engaged and get married and been married for 7 years now with 1 kid. He was just 24 when he got married too
They were lucky, it’s sadly true, when a girl happens to “choose you”, you’ve already won - you can say something stupid, even make the date terrible and she’ll just laugh it off and still want you. There is no complicated dating/flirting/getting to know for days, only to be ghosted/rejected.
Paul is right. It really is luck.. plain and simple. I've had friends of mine try to debate me on this but once they start to think about it..... they suddenly go silent and realize I'm right. Wether you call it fate, destiny, luck, whatever... it's generally something completely out of our control.
If I participate in a podcast again I'll def bring this up as I just don't hear to many people acknowledging this point. Finding someone is a matter of luck.. not choice. So many variables involved it's nothing but luck.
A good friend of mine who is older than I am and still a virgin, never had a girlfriend told me once.....
"Relationships aren't a choice if it was never an option first."
No truer words spoken.
There should be a class action suit against these dating apps.
I'm on board with this. It's been proven that these apps are rigged, they are intentionally ruining men's mental health.
I think it will eventually happen. I think we should start demanding transparency and certain quality of service, for example you pay to the app only if you get a date or some other scheme.
Why do men assume they're entitled to get responses? If the dating apps never guarantee you'll get responses then it's arrogance/delusion to think you'll get many replies.
It's just people posting photos and text . It's a crazy way to meet someone.
You can’t should’ve could’ve your way to power
I think Tinder is something that actually has an influence on today's world in terms of relationship, fertility rates, demography and more. Because of how it works and what it promotes, many hearts have been broken. Sure, many people got married as well, that's true. But overall experience for medium to okay looking guys is rather a disaster and leads to a massive time waste.
"Just" 290 matches? I expected you to say "Just" 2 matches. 290 for a bloke on Tinder is a DREAM!
I got like 600 in 2 months 😅
@@Productive_Chadholy crap
how and where???@@Productive_Chad
Yes but keep in mind that a majority of those matches probably didn't message back or ghosted on dates
It's awful! My wife left me a few years ago and it's been impossible to move on. I can't get a simple coffee date. I'm a military veteran, college educated, a content creator by trade, I have steady income, I'm decent looking, I'm in great shape at 40 years old, I have fun hobbies, I like animals, and yet, nothing.
What makes it worse is people have always assumed that women are just attracted to me. It's to the point now where the fastest way to piss me off is by complimenting my looks. I wish I were just butt ugly. At least then there would be a reason...
Military veteran. That’s your issue.
Fuck veterans.
@@atavism-dream I don't have any friends. I have one acquaintance I hang out with a couple of times a month. Other than that I spend most of my time with my cat an my mother. I've already given up. And as far as escorts go, I'm too worried about getting busted.
But at least I have an excellent excuse as to why I don't give a flying fuck about women's rights. Can't get an abortion? I guess you better shut your legs then and get a good calendar.
@@atavism-dream I’m not sure what’s worse.
•that you seriously believe that because one gets rejected it means you are “too good” for them
• or that you think I’m so stupid, that I’m going to believe all that nonsense you wrote.
@@blahblah2779 The average female has the personality and competence of a tree stump let's be real. They're attractive but that's about it. Exceptional females are gigachadonly.
Based on your picture it seems to explain your lack of success. No need to wish for it.
Using a dating app is like panning for gold in an outhouse.
Jokes on your I'm digging for brown gold !
For real.
Ive once created a fake profile on Tinder, with pictures of a Romanian male model, a 9/10 at least.
I was shocked at how bad my matching rates and conversations were even then.
It should be just not worth your time.
That's probubly because you still had the old ELO ranking of your real self...
Makes you wonder if there are actually real people behind these profiles or just bots looking to take your money?
Have to remember that alot of people gave their image rights away with certain party apps years ago.
Dude I once created a tinder profile of a good looking chad (8/10 I would say) and I got nudes from like 20 girls
I actually had the opposite effect. I used some fitness influencer who looked like he was straight out of Twilight and I got at least 5 matches per day.
If the pictures are obviously a male model then women will know it's a catfish.
What’s worse is this was made 2 years ago.
Online dating gets worse year on year so god knows how bad it truly is presently.
The fact you can't write to someone without first matching is a death sentence for most guys out there. Tinder defaults to just looks. Your game, charm, confidence, none of it matters on Tinder.
Nope. Hold still so the women can judge you
Women first check for looks, if that doesnt pass other things are worthless to them, no matter how wealthy you are, or how rich life you live.
@@Dominik40301 You have never seen Russian "Businessmen"
In the USA, women are shallow. Glad to not live in a country where feminism and tik tok or only fans rule women.
@@Dominik40301 tbh I'm older and remember the IRC days when I could chat with a girl for a few hours or even days before we exchanged pics. And by that time we've created some sort of an emotional connection, albeit superficial and this helped a lot. When you've already invested emotionally in someone even if they don't look the best, you're much more likely to go out on a date with them.
Tinder is extremely focused on superficial looks and this is what is detrimental to dating.
If this man is considered a 6/10 and has odds stacked against him, I stand no chance lol
You and me both Fella hence why I have always Disregarded them ALL ….
Not that this will make you feel better, but most women would not consider his face sexually attractive. it's not better than a 5/10
@@michaelangst6078 He literally looks like an insell in the thumbnail picture lol. That's why he has hard time getting dates.
just meet women in real life you probably have a way better chance
@@jaybrick8973 this needs to be said louder. Screw tinder some people need to grow balls and talk to girls irl instead of the internet
Someone needs to do this with an actual "average" looking man. 290 matches is killing it. And one needs to always bring up the sheer number of bots or girls who are only marketing their OF or whatever.
women just troll tinder for ego boosts or free dinners
No, it's actually a little bit below the average. Mikhail Peterson (Jordan Peterson daughter) brought online dating up with a guest on her podcast. Says around 4.1% of women will swipe right with men on tinder. So, about 290/7886 is 3.7% which is around it but still below.
@@mikelisteral7863 It's that more than anything. The actual women who use Tinder are trash. They're just left-overs that are either too high maintenance or are too oblivious/mentally ill to understand that they were the problem in there past "bad" relationships or they feel they deserve some ideal being that could never exist, so they flock to Tinder for an ego boost and to have hoards of men swoon over them. A guy being average guy isn't the problem when he's got nothing but severely below average women to choose from and letting their insane/idiotic standards sway him into thinking he has less worth than he actually does is the real problem here. My advice to all my fellow men out there: just don't use dating sites, unless you want someone who's pure garbage and hate having an actual relationship with someone.
@@knighnp Should use number of right swipes, not percentage. More male than female users could explain this, as well as more swipes per day per male user. Even with gold.
This guy gets it. I keep telling people about the perils of online dating but many people just keep at it. I know one guy that is paying over 120$ a month on several pointless dating apps yet he says he has "no money for the gym" and "healthier food is expensive". DOH!
Men are stranded in the desert, and women are stranded in the ocean.
Both are horrible, wrong analogy.
Women are fishing bait in the ocean, and all of the fish want a bite.
@v-22 That's my point...
Fucking good analogy
@@v-22 thats obviously the point though
Spending 13mins on this video to avoid spending 130 hours on dating apps which devalue men. Thank god! Brutal is so accurate.
I'm Asian Australian from Melbourne. I had tinder for years and literally did not get a single date out of it, and maybe 20 matches. I didnt use it much, but enough to know it was pretty pointless. Then when I travelled to South America and tried it for fun I was getting quite a few matches (I'd say I'm average looking). So there's that too. I remember in the old days of okc I had a rough 'rule' that for every 100 likes I'd get 10 matches, and of those maybe 1 date. So 1 in 100. If this dude is getting 3 dates from 16k thats wild. If I was a woman he'd seem pretty attractive to me.
If u travel to Europe u will have tons of women. Especially from eastern Europe
@@bartoszbucholski8981 how many don't just want a ticket out of their country though?
@@pavementpounder7502 of course this is the case.
South Americans love asian looking men because of how big japanese and korean shows and music are here
99% of women on dating apps aren’t actually interested in dating anyone. They only pay for their instant validation membership 🤷🏻♂️
VVomen wouldn't pay on apps. Why would they?
@@DavidW-ng5zv Most vvomen don't even use dating apps, they use social media.
The problem is: womens use of make up and other appearance augmenting measures leads to an inflated sense of attractiveness. This is why we hear even extremely average or below average women claiming they want "tall dark handsome" when in reality they should be going for 5/10 blokes.
100% correct!!!1
The deception is what makes these apps suck. After 100 dates I can tell you that women ALWAYS FUCKING LIE about their appearance and I'm over it.
@Matt
Agreed.
I don’t wear make up. Make up is sorcery lol and a major deception tool. Women should be required to submit one make up free picture lol
Yeah, I feel the "self-inflation" of attractiveness is definitely a big part. Even without makeup, it's a commonly known and well-researched phenomenon - people will tend to rate themselves higher than average (usually 7/10), even if they are perfectly average or under-average.
If it makes you feel better though, parts of this video that are inherently misleading or straight-up wrong if you understand how human perception works.
The subject is quite average in terms of looks. There's a lot of research done on this topic, but the fact is that if you think someone is "just above average" they are probably just average. And I don't think everything else is particularly impressive either - the only *real* strength he has is his tall height, and that is even offset by some of the other profile points that make him less approachable. No offense to your friend, but it seems like he is as average as can be (which is normal), so it is only to be expected that he isn't getting tons of girls on these dating apps. In an environment where there are many more girls than guys, it makes sense that girls are more "choosy" and your average male isn't getting many hits. It's simply logical - he's not as "good" as the video makes him out to be, and being perfectly average on a dating app usually doesn't cut it.
lol true, i can vouch for this and im a straight guy.
I'm into alt fashion right now (kinda goth) and use eyeliner, nail polish, and other accessories like earrings
I'd say I'm a 6/10 in terms of looks... but slightly above average in terms of my body since I work out. But because of my fashion style, I scored some hot girls through tinder
I guess styling yourself really does make a difference 🤷♂️
It’s so correct, im 27 and luckily I met my
Now fiancé and mother of my
Child on a night out when I was 19 which was before tinder really kicked off.
My girlfriends sister is 24. She is exactly like this video, gets a rediculous amount of attention on social media. But it’s just like WW says she never finds a real relationship because the only guys she goes for are in the top 10% of looks. They just pump her and move on. She won’t accept a normal looking bloke though. This is how messed up woman’s perception of what they deserve in a relationship has become.
glad you saved yourself the struggle :) i think everybody has experienced that people seem to be prettier the more we like them - that's not really a factor on dating apps (not before meeting in person). body language and hormons are extremely important for finding people attractive, but that only works when being physically near each other.
My gf's friend did the same thing. I told her to stop chasing all the super hot guys. Those guys have ZERO reason to stay as they can get all the women.
@trollnerd because there arent that many type of men to go around for all women. and why would a chad settle down with a girl when he can just pump and dump them if theyre stupid enough to let him?
@trollnerd that’s terrible advice
@trollnerd shit advice like that is why women have shit relationships and the pump n dump strat works for the top 10 guys.
Bruh, getting a date on tinder be harder than getting accepted to HARVARD med school LOL.
Big facts
What’s funny is that 3.7% is the acceptance rate of Harvard, which is coincidentally(?) the same as two other rates in the video
His mistake was not posing next to a $400,000 car, a millionaire mansion, and a high class suit. With the word on his description, looking for a sugar baby to spoil.
On my tinder, I pose nearby my fathers SF90 and I dont have any matches as well, that doesnt work either... I added the photo just to see whether it will change, but no, not at all
Hahahahahahahaha spot on!
I'm scared to grow up and experience dating in these modern times, especially as an introvert 😬
Same here...I'm 36 and just started...it's as bad as they say. Most women won't even have a conversation anymore, even though they lose absolutely nothing but time. I have gotten about 5 matches in 3 months and I'm not that great looking...one date (she was new to dating, too and an introvert as well, but wasn't what I wanted as she was also too busy to date and seemed indifferent), but the other women...one was an absolute racist...one wanted friends with benefits, but wouldn't be my first (I'm a virgin, too), and one wanted to control everything in my life after only 2 days of conversation.
Still trying as I paid for 6 months and not gonna waste my money. But as it appears now...it's probably a lost cause.
@@joshpatrick8809 brutal man
@@joshpatrick8809 are these single moms you're matching with?
@@stopgettingtriggered only 3 of them
Truth be told, I don't really mind single mom's, but I think they're looking for a single father.
Sad reality is that even subfive girls are trying for chads instead of someone of their own tier. Credit goes to simps who have overrated them all the time 🤬
Chads hook up with sub-fives a lot because it is a guaranteed lay. One of my housemates was a chad who brought home many sub-five Asian women.
@@riproar11 although i would say that asian women are not necessarily subfive. But yeah i agree with u. Chads use lower tier women for casual hookups and one night stands coz its an easy and effortless win.
@Max Larson do you also have a close chad friend? I have 2 of them, in their mind both are blue pill and its hard to bare to hear their jokes and also when they communicate their standards/values if some other "normie" guys talk about whom they flirted with. They will joke if "it was their material" and maybe mock a person if they talked only. There might be a glimpse of naive way of thinking that this is as easy for anyone if you know tricks (as they do not realise they are only able to live their small wannabe-high-society-life because of looks). In the end I do not get that most of them have never thought about this. They wouldn't understand a word and one of them even tried to make me feel better about me and my average looks when I spoke to the "more bluepilled" one about looks and about kind of girls he can get and what girls I will get if I try. He did not really got the point and an evidence I notice just right now while writing my text: He looks hispanic, but has a more oriental looking brother. This brother has not that much luck with girls like him. He also knows his non-chad brother is unhappy about this but the chad-brother only reflects the "unhealthy" way of thinking in which his non-chad brother somehow "competes with him in his mind". The chad only sees the mindset stuff and (possibly real) mindset "mistakes". That these people all do not reflect these things...
True. If men were a little more critical with swiping on Tinder.. those sub 5 girls have also not much options. Desperate men no standard men on dating apps are the problem that women are so picky right now! Incells are a incells worst enemy!
@@shreyassen4260 How can many Asian women not be sub-five?? There are plenty of unattractive ones with really flat faces. In Asian countries, they are the leftover women who work in factories sewing Timberland jackets, assembling iPhones, and cutting up fish.
From my observation and from word of mouth from fraternity friends, many tall good looking chads did a lot of sub-five women. One sub-five lived many days per week in the frat house and was passed around like a beer.
The best conclusion of this video is that it’s better to spend $30/month on a gym rather than Tinder. I used to be a bit overweight and started hitting gym hard about 12 years ago. What I noticed as I was slowly progressing (don’t let the speed discourage you!!!!) is that the women that I was drooling over previously, were not as attractive to me anymore because my own self-image was improving. I started to get compliments from those girls which seemed unrealistic before. But at that point I could reach higher level girls. And I have. And it’s the best feeling when you know you’ve accomplished this by yourself. Nothing else but determination and discipline. Guys, the best thing you can do to attract women is to work on yourself. No games or tricks will do the job long-term. Make it your life mission to become the best version of yourself. You will see how the world around you changes and more and more girls start paying attention to you and smile first. Place YOURSELF first. Work on yourself. Fitness, work, hobbies, charisma. I guarantee that you will be rewarded.
How do u work on something like charisma
Clichéd nonsense. You don't get rewarded. Work on yourself for yourself but it won't lead anywhere because no woman is going to invest the time to 'find you'.
They are receiving so much attention in their face that they don't need to seek out the stoic guy working at the gym who is nobly waiting to be approached.
What a weird attitude. You seem to be assuming relationships are the result of strangers just approaching and hitting on each other. That's like 0.1% of relationships. Most people meet women as part of their daily life, work, hobbies, etc and get to know them that way. You don't need someone to 'notice' you at the gym, you will interact with women and they will get to know you through normal life.
@@kmacgregor6361Oh really, only 0.1% of relationships come from online? Where is your data for that?
What utter nonsense you are spouting. Society is atomising, Covid accelerated that and many are ensconced in their phone centric bubbles.
You seem to be living in the 1950's.
That is the best approach but for different reasons. As you focus on yourself you signal to others that there's more important things to you than chasing tail. Especially to women you signal that you have a purpose in life. And that's what hooks them. Money helps, looks and a great physique help, but the most important part is having a purpose. That's why they like bad boys. Cause they dont make women the focus of their life. Bad boys have another purpose and even if that's being bad it's still alot better than focusing on women. Here's the rule: Boys chase women, women chase men and men chase their purpose.
Well said about the opportunity cost: every activity is better than wasting your time on Tinder et such. Both statistically and in terms of self esteem/mental health, you get better rewards even playing video games or biking.
I would not put "hope" in the pros. Disappointment is a huge setback and false hopes foster low self esteem. Those apps detroy your psyche to entertain a few women, you become their toy. No one should ever stoop to being a product for others to play with.
It's not just online dating. In previous generations the average man had something to offer with stability on a single wage. Nowadays, what does the average man actually have to offer? government welfare, women's hypergamy out of control and average men are living extremely lonely lives. All women have intrinsic value which is sex (juggernaut law), chad has intrinsic value with superior genetics, but what inherent value does the average man have? No wonder men end up exiting life.
The average man is not needed because the gubmint provides women with everything. The enemy of man is actually government, men need to adopt the anarchist mindset
Over a year ago when everybody was wearing masks, much younger women would confuse me with being younger because I have a full head of hair (hardly any gray) and physically fit. I went into a market to purchase a few items after hiking in my shorts. The woman at the cash register starts criticizing the high fat content of the cream cheese I purchased. I explain to her that I am on a high fat, moderate protein, low carb diet. I walked away wondering why she was even talking to me. After I got home and replayed our interaction I realized she was sh*t testing me. I am so accustomed to women having poor attitudes, I don't know when they are hitting on me
Codeoncommand,
Your logic is flawed. Most women on the planet date average men. This is evidenced by going outside and seeing looks matched couples.
Average is the most common of anything. Average has to be 51 percent or higher of anything. Arguably 90 percent or higher. It's impossible for the vast majority of women to date/marry outside the 90 percent average.
Black pill TH-camr Travis Blackpill has questioned the very essence of black pill. He's currently making YT videos debunking women dating chad and chad lite men. He argues the vast majority of women date average oofy doofy guys. The guy has revealed the deep flaw/truth at the heart of black pill. The truth is women date average looka/average income men not chad. I accept if you're 3 out of 10 on benefits you may prove the black pill is true but Travis Blackpill maintains women date oofy doofy men (arguably 4 to 6 looks). Travis is the most black pilled guy I've ever seen on TH-cam and even he has conceded women date average looking men.
& don’t forget the money printing
lol i love the expression "exiting life"
Tinder hinge and other dating apps gave me suicidal deviation. September 25th 2021 is when I made peace with the black pill and got over the bargaining phase of the stages of grief. My purpose in life is to become a single father via surrogacy.
You sado. Take some redpill
You must experience grief before acceptance. The knowledge of the blackpill is to ensure you move on from the bargaining stage to grieving. Mourn the fact that your odds for success with women are against you and then move on.
I can confirm this is 100% accurate in Western countries. Even 6-7 years ago it was not this bad. Tinder and tinderization of the market.
It's not just tinder. It's Instagram and tiktok. Most women don't open tinder because it's overwhelming and they can't handle the choice paralysis. It only gets worse over time as they simply keep accruing more followers.
@@ihatelensflare Then they hit the Willie Coyote moment....splat.
@lgbtq_hitlеr Yeah we should. A Chad is a Chad anywhere in the world not just England or USA.
I've gotten more phone numbers in person than messages on a dating app. It's absolutely disgusting out there.
He's gotta wait til he's 50 to age like fine wine- Cars With Copes
😂😂
By Redpillers logic, all girls in school/university are dating HVM in his 50s & university guys are single! 😂
@@jkshallinheritearth3883 Well like 75% of young men are single for sure lol. ''University guys'' you mean Chads.
Tinder came in as a hook-up place for one night stands. Still cannot believe people rely on Tinder to find life long partners.
From what I've seen recently, Tinder seems to be MORE about relationships than the hookups these days. It's wild.
@@mosiarmstrong I've been dating online for over 20 years, it's convenient there is no way to me anyone here otherwise. I had three kids with a shit woman, got a new woman tho, and my kids are my life, saved my life in fact. Nothing wrong with places to meet people, but yeah, be wary, do your background research, if her parents hate her that's a good indicator.
😂😂😂😂🎉
@@mosiarmstrongit’s because all these women had buyers remorse basically, they got fucked and thought they’d get more out of it. All of a sudden this shift in wanting relationships came and that’s when the app got a bit dry
@@arushford big facts. I have been using online dating sites since the 90s (remember LavaLife? ) I honestly think it's all about finding the right site to begin with, one that aligns with your needs and wants, then being patient enough to meet someone who Is good for you. I'm glad to hear it seems to have worked out for you.
Years ago, before tinder was super popular I went on a blind date with what is now my wife. We hit it off right away. We're both normal people, have great careers earning six figures each, children together, and now a home. I feel like nowadays we would have never matched based of how these apps work. They're designed to keep the user in an infinite loop and paying to play like some sort of casino. I got super lucky finding a quality girl, but my advice would be to stay off these apps.
Goooood for youuuuu.
But yes you are correct. All about money. I’ve had tinder say the same 20 people have liked me for 2 years. Everything is a scheme now days.
Exactly, there's a reason why the creator of Bumble is a billionaire. The apps are designed on a dopamine reward system like slot machines.
Ur beta bux
Wow, I didn't realise how grim it is. I've had a couple of long term relationships and many dates off tinder, even so I find those apps absolutely soul destroying. I've been on a few dates lately with an old flame from years ago who I never really got to know at the time, so far she seems amazing but I still have a hard time believing I have a chance with her because swiping on tinder has left me feeling like a reject. Fingers crossed I keep having an ace time with this girl. She should definitely be out of me league but I'll enjoy it until there's a reason not to
once i made a female account on a dating app. it was an experience. the rules were 1) never write first, 2) try to scare them away by being as nerdy/extreme as you can. i had over 20 people writing me in the first 24h and couldn't manage to scare most of them away (until i told them i was a guy - that worked well). i could pretty much write what i wanted, choose who i wanted and almost always got replies. another test was when i made a small experiment with a friend. we were testing response ratios for different first messages. we had "hey", "hey, how are you?", something personal that shows we read the profile, something funny, and something intellectual. the best one was "hey", closely followed by "hey, how are you?". the rest didnt work that well (but led to the more interesting conversations to be fair). though, most women i asked that used tinder told me they want to read something personal or interesting that shows effort. after those two experiences, i stopped using dating apps altogether.
Hey Wheat Waffles, could you do an experiment where you make two identical male profiles, but make one say "bus driver" and make another say "investment banker". It would be great to quantify how much difference money makes.
what's so interesting about being a betabux?
@@Ri-hr4uy lots of blackpillers argue that moneymaxxing doesn't work. I agree in the terms of a long term relationship but if you can fake it well enough I belive you can get consistent one night stands.
@No Cap where can I find it? Could you link it?
If the bus driver is a tatted up ex-con and spends his free time smoking dubbies he would win.
There are many experiments where a group of men were put in a "Usual Suspects" lineup and women viewed them from the other side of the mirror. They brought in some men 5' tall and told the women that one was a specialized surgeon. For the over six-foot guy they gave him the job title of gym teacher. The job title doesn't matter as much the closer the man is to having a height of six feet tall and over.
Yea I’ll never go back to tinder
FACTS!
the real world is better? how? it is a numbers game
Get a robot doll probably when they’re affordable. Until then, maybe I’ll just approach thee entire world Bro
@@AZITHEMLGPRO Feminists are shaming doll robots from 2 decades coz they know that they'll not get validation from average guys!
@meeks welp I guess we’ll have to just live in the woods with our dolls then
He's right . Been there done that. Best results for girls , jobs ,deals etc. IS WHEN I'M NOT LOOKING ! Focus on what you do have control over. Life will live.
I did well getting matches and dates on these sites. At least twice a week. My coworker calls me a Chad, in fact. I’m here to tell everybody that going into a dating app is like going into a grocery store where all the food is half eaten and returned spoiled. I stopped. I really don’t go for women in person anymore, either. Your perfect girl will come along organically, and you’ll have a real relationship come from it. These women are out of their damn minds. They all think they’re 10’s. We need to stop putting every pretty girl on a pedestal and start demanding a personality from them. For now, the well has been poisoned. Don’t bother. Reach your goals and enjoy your hobbies. Those are worthy investments.
Big facts!
Let's not compare women to food okay
@Stevey The Ex-Eevee let’s not. Food is one of the joys of life. Women usually drain that from men. Bad comparison.
So basically you want 4.5 billion men to against what thousands of years of evolution have programmed into us. What got us this far to begin with. You want us to just shut that off …? Ok swell plan.
@HelloOki You saw this video and took this conclusion from it. Women never surprise me.
He has that "nice guy" look about him. When you see women on Tik Tok whining about..."Where have all the good guys gone?", especially, those who hit the Wall. It's guys like in this video they are passing up on.
Women are in search of the Chad who is a gentleman like we're in search of the unicorn. Neither of them exist! What a messed up world this is.
Like man looking for a 10/10 virgin housewife.
>Neither of them exist
Chads do exist and will sleep with these women on one night stands leaving them "alpha" widows. These chad-sexual roasties are dooming us all.
Women only want nice after they've been ravaged by abusive men. And it's usually a short stint with the nice ones, they want to get back to the overconfident, macho, highly aggressive men (who will abuse them again). And the cycle repeats
He does give off that nice guy vibe 👍
Every girl is probably thinking, "He looks like a nice guy I can settle for at 30." "And that's you!"
lmao this guy mogs me in every possible way, its so over. i was conceived and it was over.
We must bring back Islam or extreme Christianism, soyciety is broken and weak.
Tinder is a menu for woman on the red light district, except they dont have to pay for all the flavours.
Women dont care about sex.
What women want: a guy who is tall, strong, handsome, athletic, well-endowed, smart, funny, confident, creative, charming, ambitious, adventurous, educated and successful. Must have a nice car and a large income.
What women offer in return: nothing.
"Emma Rose" is now crying.
They have inherent value meanwhile sub 7 men have nothing so stop coping
They want an unrealistic perfect guy which is never going to happen. I see a generation of sad lonely ladies
@@davidrivas6412 pls stop coping the only one that are suffering are men, women dont want your shitty genes
@kiro_minev a pastor once said that the girls at church always complain to him that they always pray to god for a godly man who is strong ,six ft., tall, handsome and blonde hair and they're frustrated because god is not blessing them. But the pastor said maybe god has someone else's for them that don't fit their standards. Even the church girls want a perfect man.
@@malepatternbaldness5718 take away the makeup and they have next to no value, lol. even the models are caked in makeup.
Thank you for the video.Thank you my mom for pushing me to study hard in university and working in a multinational company
TBH, all these numbers are normal and to be expected. In a sexually promiscuous culture, the balance of power when it comes to mating options heavily favors females. Dating apps just act as a force multiplier, scaling the numbers up tremendously.
IMO, women get screwed over by dating apps as well, just in a different way. They are led on with seemingly endless options, but when combined with their natural hypergamy and a modern, feminist mindset, they usually only match with sexual options. This is sad because women naturally seek relationships over casual sex, but when infected with this perverted mindset and armed with these apps, they end up wasting years of their youth instead of building the families that would make them fulfilled and happy.
I know a majority of you reading this probably think they get what they deserve, and there’s definitely truth in that. However, please keep in mind that we are all the result of our environment and culture. Women have been sold a bill of lies, that they can abandon traditional gender roles and be whatever they like with no consequences.
Great comment
One of the best comments I've read anywhere.
Yes we all buy products around vitamins culture religion and tradition. Even though these things are clear factors and how One turns out. It's still never sat well with me with people using it as a cop out or an excuse. Because I like what you said is they are somewhat aware of it even with the conditioning but they get into the desire side of it. They see so many of the options of course they want to pick the best and only choosing the best they're only going to get f boys at the end of the day people will easily abandon common sense and logic when they think they can get more. But pretty much you're not wrong but you're observation
"ignore their cries of pain, close your heart to their suffering for they will not feel for you"
don't let empathy be your down fall, be indifferent to them. theses women willfully waste years of their life to bag a chad all the while destroying every man who would actually care for her with out a drop of remorse.
if they end up alone that's their own damn fault, they had their chance.
let them fall because you best believe they will try to destroy if you so much as warned them of their foolishness.
If only women could look a little deeper and realise that they aren't looking within the right range. Tinder would be a lot fairer if even the top 20% of Men got matches but it's only rated for the top 1%.
The issue is that average women cant understand they're average and wont accept the reality of having to date their own level.So instead they aim out of their league due to ego.
ive thought and spoken about this for a couple of years. i call it the goldfish syndrome. women's inboxes have 100s of waiting messages because men tend to clusterf**k everything. as a result our individual value drops. ive gone out with or chatted with quite a large number of women. ive found that even after talking for a few weeks and maybe going out a couple of times, i always felt easily replaceable. a woman can be obviously into you but let there be one funny text that is misunderstood or one day you text too little or too much or ( true story) wear a shirt she doesn't care for and BAWOOSH she'll flush you and replace you with another that in her mind is identical...like a goldfish. . men collectively do it to ourselves but also women have let all this go to their heads . they don't compromise or communicate they dictate . all we as men can do is....take no shit from them either. make her jump through a few hoops. block a chick or two. it will change your defeatist attitude and eventually , if we all approach this thing with standards and pride, women will come back to Earth.
You're right, men do tend to screw everything up. It's that nothing to lose attitude. They just don't get the point and don't wanna move out of the way for the next guy. I've been saying for a while that men need to collectively let women starve of attention. I truly believe that would fix a couple of problems.
As far as being replaceable, I agree with that 100% as well. I'm a pretty high value guy, got a few things going for me. I can be sitting with a girl on a coffee date, and I can almost read their mind. They're always just looking for the next guy. Doesn't matter if there's one right in front of them, they want to play the game, not win the game. I can tell that even if they like me, like a lot, they already want a way out. Plus, they'd rather have a simp than a confident man right now.
I used to operate under the mentality that I am a definite catch to a woman, and that my competition is low. This would be the basis of my dealings with women. If other men are mentioned, I'm not intimidated or jealous. If I am questioned about why I do something, I am confident enough in myself to stand that ground. Only problem is now, statistically speaking, my competition is no longer low, it's higher than ever before in the history of the planet. So in women's eyes, I have been reduced to any other man.
Yes you're right, the solution nowadays is to let the woman work to be with you, if she's willing to go the extra step then chances are she will stay with you. It's the sunk-cost fallacy.
@@thecousindeci1103 Agreed. They have to invest
Its like that dave chappelle joke but the opposite. Men have flooded the market with dick. Its lost all its value.
Hell it’s not even just about value, there’s literally not enough time in the day to answer every message thoughtfully if the woman has a life outside of dating apps, and even if not, option paralysis is a real screw.
I've heard quite a bit of horror stories about Tinder. So a few years ago, I decided to give it a try and see how experience would turn out. My expectations were extremely low but they weren't low enough. Got around absolutely nowhere and the conversations I did try to start from matches were either to no avail or just another bot sending a weird link. Tried to be as genuine as possible and still nothing. After a few months, I just deleted it and never went back. This didn't affect my self esteem by any means as I expected shallowness like this but goddamn, I can understand why it would affect others negatively. Guys, don't go on dating apps, it's really not worth it.
Even the bots left swipe me 😺
Dating apps absolutely destroyed my self esteem
same. I now think I'm fuck ugly and any time I'm talking to people I think there looking at me and thinking "WOW this guy is disgusting"
Then stay away from them.
@@monk4ever ....no shit
That was me back in the day. I too am 6'3" and I'd say I'm ok looking. I've spent 7 years in my university town in my 20s and I NEVER met a woman there. I've met women ocassionally in my home town but I've gone for years without any action. There's certainly been things I could have done better, but who doesnt realize that later in life? The same is true for lots of my friends. Good guys who're fun to be around, some actually pretty good looking, well mannered with a good outlook in life got absolutely no where until they reached their late 20s. And by that time they adjusted to a single lifestyle. Now the women wanted to settle down but the guys rather worked on their bus to travel the world. Too bad.
Anyway, for young guys there is few things they can do. It's an uphill battle until you turn 30. And when you do chances are you dont want to settle anymore. Cause women are actually pretty annoying.
I remember using Tinder when it first launched all the way back in 2012, the experience was totally different than it is today, it was much better, I had many dates and I looked worse than I look today and I had much less money. A major reason of that it's because the app wasn't so insanely monetized, so the algorithm was not fighting against you all the time like it is now to make you buy boosts and subscriptions to get you some visibility. Also I'm pretty sure when tinder first started, girls wasn't so picky as they are today (5% likes) in these dating apps.
The software and the women have both changed for the worse. Even in 2016 I was still able to get responses and seemingly normal conversations online. Tried again recently and it was like floating in the north atlantic at night during winter.
@@s0nnyburnett mgtow :)
@@s0nnyburnett well your description was pretty specific.
Girls aren't more picky now. The real problem is that 90% of tinder users are male which makes it much harder for guys
this app is just a total scam. Tried it two times, got only one date after spending hours and hours and money and more money. 15 years back I signed up in a different web site for dating, and I could talked to many girls, and have several dates in just a few months. It was totally different, it was way cheaper, and I got way more results. That made sense, Tinder should be banned and stopped.
I'm 46 years old. My wife and I have been together sence the 10th grade of high school.
I'm soo glad I'm not in the dating game today. I don't like the games you're expected to play.
As for being a 46 year old. I believe I'm above average for when looking at the categories you've placed in front of us in this video. Yet, I'd be terrified of having to approach women in today's social atmosphere.
Women think men are supposed to have feelings made of steel. We're supposed to put ourselves out there for all to see us get rejected or to be called creepy.
Women need to check what they're doing to the current dating world. If staring is a problem, how are you going to make eye contact with anyone???
If approaching someone is creepy, why do you expect to be approached???
If saying no once means no, why would you expect to be chased???
These games used to be exactly that, games. And could be fun. But it's become down right dangerous. Nobody wants to play a dangerous game. Not when you have no clue what you're gonna win.
The game of life is always as dangerous... at least mine has been that way
Perfectly said
I feel this completely. I am an autistic man who has always struggled with dating, and I haven't dated in many years. At one point, I got so desperate to the point where I turned to Bumble as a last resort. Sad to say, it didn't do shit for me. I literally used Bumble for over a year without getting a single in-person date from it, so I eventually gave up on it. However, you also have to keep in mind that I am in a smaller area. I am not in a big city like this guy is, so that only further compounds the problem.
Im autistic(high functioning) as well im invisible to women makes me think there is nothing worthwhile in dating. In fact I been in POF forever 6 years I send the first message and rarely get a reply. If I do get a non message notification it’s a so and so’s “like” I look at the profile and it’s some hooker trying to say pay for my date and get action I say hard pass. I given up on dating modern women they just not worth the effort jumping through and over flaming hoops and bottomless pits.
Don't lose hope king 👑
Assuming that's you in your pic the your solution is simple: lose some weight until you can see abs. Post photos with no shirt and with you out with your friends.
If going out isn't your thing: suck it up. I had to do the same thing. The good news is once you go through that crash course you learn enough you're now able to play. From there you'll be okay.
just workout, Your base face shape is really really Nice, You are just overweight
hang in there man! you're a great person that deserves someone in their life 💪💪💪
As a european, germany, he has no problem at all to find a pretty girl over here. He is looking ok, slim, and has the size. A normal job will be ok. Every time I see something about dating in the USA, I think your society is so fu..ed up.
I'm incel virgin at 29
Not using dating apps is just gonna make it easier for women to find chad , at the end of the day women can't lose
exactly, just filtering out the undesirables. As they say, " the cream rises to the top "
On dating apps, maybe. But not in real life. To fix women's perception of average attractiveness, men need to stop simping. Exiting the scam that are dating apps is a step in the right direction.
Btw, not every woman can have chad for LTRs, especially if she's a becky.
@@Michael_the_Drunkard yeah , also a small percentage of chads engage in a relationship due to the unlimited options they have and yes chad will only get in a relationship with his looksmatch
@@Michael_the_Drunkard no, doesn’t mean she won’t cheat on you with chad. That’s what a lot of women do. Marry a less desirable man who can provide, and is caring and kind etc. Then cheat on him with chad. That way they get both their needs fulfilled.
Guys, to give you a reality check of where you stand on dating apps if you aren't minimum a high 8 in looks with good photos, make a fake account as an average looking woman and swipe right on everyone until you run out of swipes. Do this for 3 days and watch your phone blow up with matches and messages. I got 250 matches in just 24 hours which is more than I have ever gotten my entire life, the amount of messages were also overwhelming.
I encourage that every man does this once to give them a better understanding on just how low of a chance you actually have at any success on these apps.
Yeah I tried this once too. I made a profile as a woman just to see, and it's insane how easy women have it. I matched with every single guy I swiped right on and got bombarded with messages.
And somewhere in the ocean of messages will be one from us. The chick may even find us interesting but would be overwhelmed by the attention, so we pass their mind
Not sure what an 8 even is supposed to look like.
So you see why women only swipe right on so few men? Because otherwise they are overwhelmed by the sheer volume of messages. I mean, there's more reasons, but that's one of them.
@@sockpuppet1 How is a woman supposed to ever be able to select a viable romantic partner? If she has so many options to the point if she does choose a guy, won't she constantly question if she's settling?
Well, if this 6,3 guy is a 6/10 who only got a 0,018% "date rate", we can confirm that it's completely over.
its over years ago..
It never even began.
his 6'3 height makes him an overall 7/10 at least even with his humble 6/10 face. But I honestly think his face is closer or if 7/10. Plus he's got good job and good lifestyle above avg in the west. So technically he is better candidate than like 80 or 90% of men out there because of these plus he's height is in the top 1% He's lifestyle and income is already like top 20%. The only thing that is below is his face which is already in the top 30%. Plus he runs JWB and he doesn't have to face ethnic tax lol. Can you imagine if he was ethnic and had all those qualities and gets like 0 matches cause ethnic tax and while being a 6'3 above avg ethnic is brutal.
The only saving grace is that I honestly don't think his face is sexually attractive to women, and his photos suck
@@quincy189 his face is not a 7/10 dude.. my face is more attractive and I would only rate my face a 6
This gave me the courage to finally stop dating apps, hopefully I can get myself together more now. Thanks for this, though.
If it’s over for him on tinder it’s beyond over for me. He mogs me into a different dimension
People don’t realize that putting yourself on tinder is actually objectifying yourself. And a 6/10 for this guy? I think he looks really good, especially in the dog photo. Stop looking for desperate people’s validation, cause that’s what this app is all about.
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Yeah this dude is at least an 8+, when he said 6/10 i nearly lost my shit. And my self confidence lol😂
Yeah 6/10 was just cruel and wrong.
Wtf?
He IS 6/10, that is a very accurate and honest appraisal.
I think he's a good example of a 6 that gets to 7 because of a few bonus features.
Tall, looks in shape, education, hobbies etc
I used some dating apps before the covid situation and no wonder I struggled a lot, like 2 matches per week in average. Moreover, when I was lucky enough to get a date, the girl oftenly didn't look as good as her profile pictures. Eventually I got some very good middle term relations and one is still living in my appartment, but when I compare her Tinder and mine, there is such an injustice that should be fixed by going back to the old way
"Just 290 matched" yeah I stoped at this point.
I have a six pack, pretty wealthy and got matched with a fat overweight coarse woman and she ghosted me....I knew something was wrong with these apps....never used one for 2 years....so much happier.
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I have been using tinder on/off from 2013, so you could say I have seen it all.
Someone here in the comments talked about the evolution of tinder and monetization. Tinder is going downhill for men and has been since 2016-2018ish. I think those years were the turning point.
Before those years I got over 1000 matches, had multiple dates and had lots of sex through tinder. Well that was younger me and I'm not so proud of those times BUUUUT to the point ; Now I only get maybe 2 matches in week and Im much much better version of myself in all aspects of life.
Tinder is broken for men, dont use it.
If you use it you only boost the egos of women -> women of low "level" think they are higher "level" -> hypergamy = they dont want men of their actual "level" -> no happy couples -> birthrates go even deeper down -> you pay more taxes -> you are fucked
I got banned from tinder 😂 I use bumble now
I get matches but literally all of them either don’t respond, scam accounts, or they ghost me shortly after the first conversation.
5000+ matches in just a month
Yes but the point is what happened to tinder is a more extreme microcosm of what is happening to society at large with the hyperinflation of female SMV relative to men.
I tried it and realized online dating was a dead end 20 years ago. And that was at a time when they weren't actively working against you. It was just a big digital bulletin board where people put their profiles and then talked to each other.
If it was a hellscape then, how awful is it now with pay to win mechanics and an algorithm designed explicitly to keep you single as long as possible?
The problem is even if they do like you which is very rare... they can't even hold a conversation and they expect you to.
I've even experienced this during first dates in person. its amazing that someone wants to know you in person, is excited to meet, but then once you meet, just basically stays quiet and makes YOU start every conversation and asks all the questions.
I had this happen 2 days in a row on dates and I thought it was me that was boring.. Right up until the other person actually decided to reciprocate a little. Which for about 5 minutes it went really well and wasnt awkward. But then they put all the effort back on me and I felt really awkward being the one who talked the whole time.
@@joshuakhaos4451 on my dates I ask questions and girls keep talking if u dont ask they dont but if u find questions to ask they dont shut up
Modern dating is getting to the point where all you can really do is looksmaxx best you can and hope someone takes an interest in you. Women have such absurd abundance and so much access to Chad that any kind of dating strategy is a joke.
getting lots of money helps too. It's difficult to be charming or interesting or confident if it doesn't come naturally.
@Alex same Lmfao
Men shouldn't waste their time and energy on women that don't like you. Just focus on you
@Alex they are not, there is a reason simping has become a thing. I often wonder the guys who claim to check out, whether secretly those guys are out there simping like fck.
Been off tinder (deleted my account) for the last 3 months. Honestly the best thing I have done as I have felt more confident, save time and feel more social.
Please do the same guys as it's not worth it
@@Black-Circle that's it...it's amazing how confidence works and what it does
Start traveling
what about when all you do is go to work, but don't have much interaction with people your age? The world is so disconnected these days, and every girl who uses these apps will always get matches, but boys won't unless they're a Chad.
@@MachonaVideos bingo welcome to western society
@@MachonaVideos we can always improve ourselves and trying to make us look good.
But not for the sake of tinder or dating, I recommend this because it feels REALLY NICE watching yourself in the mirror and being confident in what you see.
Nowadays I don't have that good amount of matches on tinder or bumble, I use them occasionally to look for the girls that are my type.
But girls had hit on me, in person, twice, that is, really really weird.
They ended up being students so not much happened with them (purposely) but really improves my confidence.
Also, women tend to use this for 2 reasons men usually don't. This can explain why he found no partner.
1. They're more social, when their bored they go on to text with no intentions of ever meeting.
2. They go on for self esteem boost from compliments
Ok