Retraction !! I called the lovely woman with the fox tattoo Christine when her actual name is Courtney!! My bad 😩❤️ EDIT: Part 2 to this is now up with all the latest updates! : th-cam.com/video/-cvRyDEWnvE/w-d-xo.html Ri also now has a GoFund Me: gofund.me/9f8e43c0
Personally, I tihink she should probably file criminal and civil harassment charges against the tattoo "artist" in question and subpoena the other artists that shared her information. And probably file a complaint with Better Business Bureau. IMO
@@mookinbabysealfurmittensIt's after her she refused to pay, Lindsay shared a pic of her driving license on Instagram to numerous tattoo artists in the area, who shared them too.
@@hawazennnnn I think you mean defamation is soooooo hard to prove. In the U.S., the vast majority of defamation cases result in a loss for the plaintiff. They have to prove that the defendant made false and defamatory claims that resulted in personal injury and/or injury to the business in this case.
For what it's worth, this lawsuit isn't going to *magically* clear up Lindsay's name and reputation. Her name pops up when you google "tattoo gate tattoo artist" and the best thing she can do is apologize and admit to her mistakes, because there's nothing else she can do at this point. Same with Russ, who should definitely be getting more heat than he has been.
Is she not aware of the Streisand Effect? Sigh. Anyway, I doubt the veracity of her threats, or at least the validity. I agree with Miss Treacle that most judges would just toss this case if it actually reaches that high.
She even had a perfect excuse: “I trusted someone I thought was a guru and regret getting sucked into his claims of these methods earning me money. I was wrong to not think harder about these practices, and I’m sorry.” That guy would look worse, and she’d look better, if not slightly like a victim herself. But nooooooo, she went off and did…THiS.
I think this sounds more like a Cease and Desist letter, I.e. stop what you’re doing or we’ll sue you. Or alternatively a “stop what you’re doing but we don’t have actual recourse so we’re sending you a big scary letter to make you stop so stop being a meanie :(“
I'd be shocked if the letter came from a real law firm. Lots of people use online services to generate cease and desists and there's no case here. It has to be provably false to be defamation and the accusations against Lindsey are provably true. Scammers in the multi level marketing space use these threatening letters too and it's just a scare tactic, and a childish one at that.
Anyone can send a cease and desist letter. You don't need an attorney to do it. They are just warnings that you plan to take legal action and the main purpose of them is to avoid the cost of a lawsuit for both sides. It also helps in court to show the judge that you attempted to be reasonable and give the other person a chance to stop doing something that they might not have understood was violating your rights. You also don't technically even have to send one before filing a lawsuit. I agree that most people use them as scare tactics without planning to follow through, but as long as they don't falsely claim that it's being sent by an attorney or law firm there's technically nothing wrong with doing it unfortunately
@@michaell8269 It doesn't have to be a paper letter. It just has to be in writing so emails are entirely legitimate ways of sending them. There's no such thing as a fake cease and desist since they aren't actually legal documents. Anyone can send one to anyone whether they have a case or not
They are trying to scare her. Many influencers do the same thing to normal people because people are afraid. Usually they don't have a leg to stand on as this one doesn't.
This was so stupid of Lindsey. If she just waited a bit and changed her charging fees; she would eventually have people willing to give her a shot again. With going to a lawyer, she is just getting everyone to talk about it all over again.
Dumb people tend to have a behavior/habit of continually doing stupid things. The way she wanted to conduct her business clearly showed she was working at double capacity while only really having half an engine.
Kinda glad she took this route. People like her dont deserve success. You should always be willing to reevaluate after receiving bad feedback on your business
Wait... an EMAIL?! That's not legit. Nope. I would definitely recommend she look up the law firm and call them, because no lawyer is going to sent an email cease & desist, they would put it on letterhead with certified mail and the person it is addressed to needing to sign so they could prove delivery.
@@auggiedoggiesmommy1734For a legal notice like this though, they want delivery assured. Email can easily end up at the wrong place with just a typo. In fact, that creature Colleen Ballanger's "legal team" sent an email to the wrong place and ended up informing the whole internet of their complete incompetence.
I've been in a legal battle with my awful landlord for the past three years; all cease and desist letters were emailed by my attorney along with duplicates sent via certified postal mail.
Lindsey for sure just had a lawyer friend draft an email as a scare tactic because there’s no legal legitimacy to sending an email and she hopes it’ll work.
You don't even need a lawyer friend to create a cease and desist letter. There are plenty of free templates online where you just fill in the blanks with your name, their name, put in a fake address for the law firm, and then just write whatever reason you'd like for the letter
What’s more is that, depending on the state, actually filing the suit may get Lindsay hit with an anti-SLAPP action. That legislation is meant to protect people’s first amendment rights to participate in public discussion by punishing those who file frivolous lawsuits to silence them, after all.
While I FULLY believe Ri, where the law is concerned, it doesn't matter if it's actually true or not, there has to be proof of it. So I do hope Rea has everything she needs to fight back at this bullshit lawsuit.
She also has to prove the defamation and or slander caused a financial hardship to her reputation/business. Aaaand I’m pretty sure her reputation was down the toilet before Ri put out that video.
@@BurningFreesiasas far as i know defamation is extremely hard to prove, as lindsay would have to prove that not only the things ri said are not true, but that ri knew that it wasn't true. so ri doesn't need to prove that what she said is true, lindsay need to prove what ri said isn't and that ri knew that. that's why defamation, even in cases where there is a real defamation, is incredibly hard to succesfully sue for. (sry for mistakes, english isn't my first language)
At first I thought maybe the tattooer could be humbled by all this and go back to doing walkins, flash, whatever walked in the door, etc. But now she just needs to move on from the industry. This is embarrassing and looks bad for the industry.
Also I am from Atlanta and have known Russ a while. Have always liked his work but I dont know what he's doing these days with his marketing and tattoo plan packages.
Oh I guarantee this is throwing a huge wrench in the entire industry. I imagine a lot of new customers are going to be scrutinizing their payment policies and not paying a dime until they've seen the entire contract in writing. Why anyone is doing verbal agreements when it comes to artwork I don't know. Everything should be in writing before you spend a dime. Never give away your money! And without a contract in writing that's what you're doing. Giving away your money.
This is something that a lot of predators, who generally have power over their victims, use to silence those who speak out against them. We've seen it a fair bit in the last few years in the kink community, with mixed results. Also, it's disgusting and an abuse of the legal system
And abusers in general too. My abusive ex did a similar thing, trying also to get my cat from me cause she had the documents for him and forged her name on it as the owner (which was so obvious, different handwriting AND different pen color lol). I looked at the name of the lawyer and it was a scammy 24/24hr online thing. And they did that by sending me a normal email, and in my country’s law if you don’t respond and by so acknowledge of reading it, it doesn’t even have legal value. Don’t know about how it works in America tough. I’m glad I spoke with an actual respectable lawyer who helped me navigate through the first months of leaving while she was stalking me. I hope that this girl get the help she needs. That tattoo artist should just rot in hell at this point for me.
I think the funniest part is Ri didn't even say Lindsay's name in her original video, people just figured it out, her going out of her way to sue her is an admission of guilt in itself lol
Legally a lawsuit has to be hand delivered and signed for, anything else is just blustering. The whole thing is just ridiculous and it’s a lawsuit the artist can’t win
Depends on the country. In mine you can have it mailed by the postal service (a lot of lawyers will also send an email, too tho) but there are countries in which lawyers can send stuff like this via email IIRC.
That email is not legally binding... nor is it real. This type of paperwork wood be delivered certified mail or by courier. NEVER by email! She needs to delete and ignore
Ri has lawyered up and has created a go fund me to raise money for legal costs. I gave up a coffee and donated it over to her. I hope with a little help she can take that parasite to the cleaners for all the harm she has caused. Lindsay brought this on herself. She clearly has no shame and from her actions, obviously has no conscience.
A general rule I was taught when I started in a profession where people sometimes get angry enough to threaten lawsuits: Once a lawyer is mentioned, all interpersonal conversations between you and the person making threats end. Inform them of such. A simple response of "Please forward your legal representative's information to me so that I may pass it along to my lawyers. They will be in contact," without preamble or further explanation can do wonders. For someone who is trying to get a rise or money out of you with an empty threat, it calls their bluff. (Most people don't want to, or can't afford to, spend the money on a lawyer. The person threatening you is hoping that you fall into the latter category and will just give them what they want without testing to see if they are of the former category.) For someone who is serious about getting the law involved, the less you speak to them without a lawyer present, the less chance there is of misspeaking and helping their/hurting your case. And, if the person is serious about getting a lawyer, you can wait until you receive that person's/firm's contact information before spending the money to engage your own. A "cease and desist" has no legal authority in-and-of itself.
A lawyer sent an email threatening a lawsuit? I know that this is taking place in Canada but that sounds sketchy. I lived in Canada and I know a few lawyers in the province that this takes place in. They usually have an officer or a courier send the lawsuit which is written on paper and signed for, not send an email which could potentially go to the wrong person or not be seen. I have a feeling a friend of Lindsey's set up a server, created a "law firm" with a sketchy website (People's pettiness have no bounds), and sent an email to scare Ri. I would suggest that she gets a lawyer and send an email to that firm saying "here's my legal representation, all further communications are to go through them." I BET that there will be no lawsuit.
A cease and desist isn't a lawsuit. It's a warning that you plan to file a lawsuit if the person doesn't stop what they're doing. There doesn't have to be any lawyers involved yet at this point because they aren't actually legal documents. Most people do get lawyers to help them write them just to make sure they'll actually have a case and because it gives more weight to the threat, but they don't have to. If it has been sent through a law firm that isn't legitimate then it is very much illegal though
I think the very public sucess of the Depp trial and the E Jean Carrol trial have made people forget that its really hard to prove defamation because the defense is always that it could have reasonably happened they way they said. All she has to do in this case is show the videos of people sharing her ID and show her payments to Lindsey (3 payments made at the times she said) heck im sure there is a police report backing up what she said as well
Good point... I think the difficulty of proving defamation varies greatly by country, and you're probably right about it being very difficult in Canada... Crazy thing is, I recently heard that under Japanese law you can legally sue even when what the person is saying is true!
Depp made it viable for people to try and keep their victims quiet by suing for defamation. Never forget Depp was found to be a wifebeater in the UK. Where it is actually harder to defend against these claims.Look at how Manson and Pitt are now using the same tactic against Evan Rachel Wood and Angelina Jolie.
I'm thinking it might be because Courtney is more recent and has had so much active support. She also has more public records and have shown that Lindsay essentially plagiarized someone else's work to use for Courtney's sketch that is being charged for. So Lindsay doesn't want to risk touching her.
I fear that there's no actual lawyer behind this. I have a feeling this might be an online generated cease and desist sent with a fake email account that just looks legit
She's probably hurting for clients, so she's gotta milk someone for money. It'll probably get thrown out if it ever does go to court because the agreement, as Ri said, was verbal. So, there's no way of proving or disproving what was agreed upon. It's probably just a scare tactic, like a cease and desist.
@@Beeza-om9jsmaybe! but not everyone checks their email. i never check mine unless i’m looking for something like concert tickets i purchased or tracking info on an order or someone tells me they just sent me an email. if someone sent me a cease and desist over email it wouldn’t even get opened 😂
It’s called the barbra Streisand effect. She complained that pictures of her mansion were online, and for them to be immediately removed from the internet, which of course had the opposite effect. Now she has a whole phenomenon named after her because of it 😅
and to add, Streisand sued the photographer, who had put the pictures on the internet for scientific reasons with six views (two views were from her lawyers). As he was documenting the California Coast not just her home. When she filed the lawsuit it went to 400,000 views. She lost the suit and had to pay his legal fees. So the tattoo artist may want to take that as an omen for the future.
The unnecessary stress of it all! Imagine getting ripped off to the tune of $4,000 dollars! And then the person who rips you off tries to sue you?! For what?! These stories make me so mad. And also make me appreciate my artist even more!
what I find insane is, what is that tattoo artist expecting will happen? she already has one of the worst reputations possible and instead of laying low and letting things rest, she's making a legal mess. again, what does she think will happen? she's literally crashing and burning herself all over again in the court of public opinion. no one likes seeing legal threats, she'll be completely blacklisted in the head of clients forever
Also, Ri didn't actually name and shame? She never mentioned Linday's name in any of the originally videos from what I can remember. People just figured it out, so how exactly is Ri making defamation claims against Lindsay?
They are just trying to scare her, first because she didn't mention any name, second she has proof that the tattoo artist leaked her personal information. She just need a laywer to respond to it, but not as an email, sent a registered letter.
All she will need to do is get a statement from all the other tattoo artists and ask them if she leaked her license. If this lady thinks that EVERY artist will lie for her? She is wrong.
RI should already have enough to sue her for doxxing her. He address and personal information is now floating around the internet. If her identity gets stolen she could sue for that.
Lawyers don't send emails unless it is between their client. I'm guessing the artist made a fake email address. I'd check out the authenticity of her attorney which can be found on the local bar association website.
She’s in Canada too, and over here, we can’t really just sue anybody and anything like in the US. I don’t think this would fly in a court here, unless maybe we have stricter defamation laws like in the UK.
Yes the one sleeve is great with that tattoo!!! Even just V-necks go well with it too though - ever since she got it I've had the urge to cut V-necks into all her T-shirts🤣
As a non tattoo person, I’m following this story along w you. It’s how I found your channel. I also now watch your other videos bc I find it all so interesting. I can’t wait for more updates. It’s a crazy story!
In my country if the cops are called they only do it to detain someone, break a fight or something similar, but they never show up and force someone to pay for something, even if the other person has the absolute right to be paid, because that's what the judges are for, so it's really really weird for me to hear that, does that really happen often in the U.S?
This happened in Canada, and I would assume she paid because Lindsay would likely take legal action, which is a long, expensive, and difficult process, and could end up on your record. My guess is that it was probably just easier to pay, and be done with it all.
I’m fully confident that this is an intimidation tactic. It’s unclear whether she actually had a lawyer or not, but I doubt she has any plan to actually take this to court. I’ve seen it time and time again, once there is a little push back or serious threat of legal action, she’ll fold
That’s just what cease and desists are. When done properly they’re not even legally binding, it’s basically a notice going “if you keep doing this there’s a lawsuit in your future”
Hi Lauren! I hope that you're doing well my darling. Every person who has gotten scammed should be filing a lawsuit against Lindsey. Let that tattoo studio get shut down, and make sure that Lindsey never practices tattooing again. My heart breaks for the victims and Ri has my full support. Thank you so much for making some of the best content on TH-cam, and for covering stories (like tattoo gate). I live in New York but, your information helps me find red flags on shady tattoo artists (like Lindsey) in my state. I wish that I would have done my research, and known about these types of tattoo artists before I got my first tattoo (a red heart on my right wrist). The tattoo that I have is tiny and the artist charged my ex (at the time) 60 dollars for the tattoo. I hope that you're having an awesome day. I love you always and forever😘😘😘😘💖💖💖💖
Always love your videos Lauren ❤ also wow the audacity of the scammer taking legal action 😂 random question, but what are your thoughts on split tongues? And do you think you would ever do videos on different types of body mods other than tattoos?
I really hope this brings to light some of the horrible behavior of certain people in the industry. Back when I apprenticed back around 2009 and onward , my mentor warned me about people like this. He told me that I had to act tough or I would get taken advantage of, and he was right. While I went back to school I had my expensive liner stolen while I worked at a bogo shop. A lot more happened there that completely turned me off from pursuing tattooing as a career. I remember one time I was working on some original flash for an upcoming Friday the 13th Halloween special discount event we were having, and the person who would go on to steal my liner said, and I sh*t you not, “man, I wish I could draw.” ….. what the hell did you think tattooing was, just some tracing?!?! I digress…I hate to say it but Lindsey’s behavior is NOT surprising in the least. It certainly isn’t the majority, but there is a larger group of people than I’m comfortable with admitting who are swindlers, scammers, cheaters, stealers (I had my custom art stolen with no credit given by the very same shop’s owner)…. I hope that in todays climate, this behavior is no longer brushed off. I want these people to finally experience some major consequences.
I’ll cackle if she tries to sue YOU for “spreading the word” on tattoo gating 🤣 “she’ll call it financial gain” haha omg this is beyond ridiculous. This tattoo “artist” is making it worst!
It sounds like this is just a cease and desist letter. Generally those can be ignored as they are just a scare tactic. If (and it’s a big if) Lindsay does escalate things legally, she doesn’t have a leg to stand on in court.
She (Lindsey) is trying to weaponize the legal system. Lindsey is also going to cost Ri so much money, I hope she can fight this without having a large financial loss. Now would be a great time to start a counter/lawsuit against Lindsey with multiple of her scammed customers.
Not sure if it's because I live in Italy and it's not a thing in here, but as far as I know lawyers don't send emails to people for a potential lawsuit😬
Fun fact (apologies if it's already been stated here) but in Canada, you need to be able to demonstrate monetary damages to successfully get a favorable judgement in a libel/slander case. The judges are going to send her away telling her to bring back proof of loss of income/business which she can't produce or tie specifically to Ri
Anyone off the street who knows the details of this 'case' can see that Lindsey has no grounds to sue, and that Ri could easily counter-sue. Get the court involved and Lindsey will definitely ruin whatever is left of her reputation.
Might not even really be from a lawyer. Feel like they would send that sort of thing in the mail and not in an email. Definitely would be like "Fine, take me to court. We'll be counter suing.." That tattoo artist is dumb af...
Scammers will always continue to scam. They will refuse to take accountability or admit their own wrongs, they’d rather double down and further blame/pursue their victims.
The fact that somebody charged $4,000 for a VERY minimal , Color-Less, Non-Dimensional Tiny Shoulder Cap stretching across MAAAAAYYYYBEE … 5 total inches ..?? -WHEN- My Ex/ First Baby’s Father - paid $8,000 for an ENTIRE “Suit” down his Shoulders-Back-Butt-Thighs-TO THE KNEE; in a Full color Japanese influenced (Old School Warrior-ish) AWARD WINNING Piece of Art. Not to mention my MOST costly tattoo - which Landed me in SEVERAL tattoo publications - roses from Top of my Hip - down the side of my thigh , ending at my Knee… Fully Colored and Shaded GORGEOUSLY, SOOOOO much Ink packed into it, - FOR $1,200!!!!! Literally. I know certain tattoo artists ARE WORTH the high price. (For example, you ARENT even getting into the Seat of Niko or Roman - before you’ve kissed $3,000 goodbye - AT LEAST - but I mean…. Their work SHOWS in the quality. The tattoos are ACTUALLY NOTICEABLY DISTINCT, and INCREDIBLE!!!! This piece on here is just So INCREDIBLY TYPICAL. No shame to RiRiality…. I’ve got plenty of “Cute” “Not Super Unusual” kinda Tattoos myself, but like…. I mean…. They were all done for rates of like …. $400 and lower. Like…. Yaknow …?!
The woman being sued should check the name of the lawyer, the firm, and the address, then if found contact them with the found info (not what was in the email) and check if they're real and truly working for Lindsay. Many people have used fake services to create fraudulent letters from lawyers. It's illegal to do so (pretend to be a lawyer), so that'd add to her countersuit case. Ri didn't say anything that wasn't true, so I doubt Lindsey even has grounds for a defamation suit. It's not illegal to share your story about someone on your personal accounts, Ri's intent was clearly to back up Courtney's story and help people from falling for the same. If her intent was to defame Lindsey, surely Ri wouldn't have waited to share her story until others came out, she would have "defamed" her right after her bad experience. I'd argue that Lindsey was defaming Ri by sharing her personal info and LYING that she didn't pay, with the intent of causing her trouble. Hopefully the suit is dropped (if it's even real, can't trust a shady person), but if not, Ri should countersue as it seems she's the one with an actual case!
I don't know about Canadian law but I know here in the US a letter is sent through the mail (usually certified) and you have the opportunity to contact your own attorney to discuss. Emails seem fishy to me. She should contact an attorney regardless and yes, i agree, a countersuit should be filed since her private and personal information, including her home address, was posted online. Without her permission. Anybody could have gone to her home and broken in or kidnapped her kids or whatever. That is scary af and Rhi should have sued her months ago.
I may be wrong but my history with courts and the legal system (divorce and custody stuff) is that in order for a case to begin she (Ri) would have to be served and sign for the documents. It can’t just be a letter in the mail or email etc. or did I miss that part of the story? I truly think Ri should countersue and maybe even have Courtney there to sue her also.
you should listen to Teresa Sharpe’s podcast - the Tattoo Hotline. She and her cohost are amazingly talented, and it’s super insightful to hear from women who have been in the industry for so long.
I don't know how it works in Canada, but in the US it is really hard to prove defamation. Also if you are running a business and providing a service you are going to have bad reviews and opinions about your services.
A few things: first, check with the attorney who contacted you. Did she actually pay them to send that, or is she stealing their name? Happens often. Also, look into the attorney. Are they known for being "all talk", mostly a cheap office whose work is mostly empty threats intended to intimidate people into silence (á là Blair "Illuminaughtii" with, er, the American one, ex-friend & editor, had a dog, spacing his name). Also, it's not defamation if what they did is _fact,_ ofc! Also, if isn't basically what people expect of the person, their reputation. As in, she's already known as a duplicitous scammer and this is how she's been with many, many people. Second, the tattooer has been abusive and defamatory herself, and the doxxing is mental. Also, on the first TTok clip, the victim cites the cop telling her "the law says you have to pay her whatever she says", but don't rely on their knowledge of the law! Especially in that situation, where she spoke with the cop & he said she has to pay. She doesn't, cos contracts are a thing, and you cannot just "[post hoc] charge whatever [amount] you want". You need to speak to a lawyer! If you have a few thousand to pay for sunk-cost, then you can afford a [often free] consult with an attorney who specialises in this sort of thing, which is primarily a civil matter, not a legal one. And if it is re criminal offence, you have a right to a defence attorney if you can't afford it, and if you don't qualify, there are options like sans interest payment plans. And always remember that the police are not your friend and they don't care about you or your situation. And even by law they're not obligated to help you if they "feel threatened or unsafe" and often just don't want to and so they don't. Never trust a copper. 🅰️LL Ⓒ︎olours Ⓐ︎re 🅱️eautiful ✊️ Peace.
I am wondering if that really was a cop. She said he called her and told her she had to pay whatever the artist decided to charge. I know in the states, if there was such a dispute, the cop would just tell you to take it to small claims court. There’s no way he’d call someone’s customer and tell them they had to pay. Just doesn’t ring true to me
I’m not a tattoo enthusiast and I know very little about the process and the industry. However, I think this tattoo is absolutely beautiful. Like someone else pointed out it looks like something out of an old storybook. The art style is unique compared to what tattoos commonly look like. People are being quite harsh it’s a beautiful work of art and she seems very happy.
I have had friends who have gotten tattoos. They had consultations and quoted a price. Got it in writing. And that was the price. I hope this educates people that when you work with independent contractors. You need to negotiate a fee upfront get it in writing and there is no wiggle room. Whether it's a flat fee. Or if they structure it by the hour. So you make an informed choice if you choose them as an artist. That it can get very expensive, very fast. It's a shame hearing if there are artists (allegedly) violating the trust between artist and client stringing them along and up charging at every turn. Personally, I have no problem with artists charging for a consultation or design time. As time is money, and if they are in high demand they don't want to waste time on someone that might ghost them. And not get the tattoo. Losing income. After taking time to design a tattoo But I would want it in writing what their fees are for it before I put down a deposit and what that covers.
Consulting/sketch fees for a tattoo should not exceed more than 10% of the estimated tattoo total cost. Lawsuit? That's like sueing someone for saying you stink after you fart, she is seriously deluded. Her lawers should change the defamation suit to the 'you smelt it, you dealt' suit.
us law is so crazy. in austria, if someone charges unreasonable prices for a service (e.g. from someone in a vulnerable position), that's something you can go to court with. also, why was there no written contract? how is that sort of scam even possible under the law??
I don't know Canadian law, but in the US there is no way a lawyer would actually take this case against Ri. That is so baffling! The fact that this "artist" is only going after Ri when Courtney's video about the fox sparked Ri to come forward shows right there that this lawsuit is absolutely bonkers! And you know this is just her way of continuing to scam, because she's trying to scare Ri into paying her even MORE money! Like you said, there's no way Ri can scrub the internet, but that's the point! Because she can't do that the letter states Ri would have to pay compensation instead, so it's just one big new scam for Lindsay to try out!
I mean as long as ri did not mention Lindsey's name in her initial tik toks they can't even PROVE that ri was talking about Lindsey. Honestly that just proves the guilt right there LMAO
As someone currently studying law for my certification exam in Ontario, I am extremely curious to see what the end result of all this is!!! The clients in my opinion have been wronged and I can see this being an incredibly interesting civil case in Ontario... I hope things work out well for both of the clients. Especially with the sharing of personal private information..... Holy hell.
Ri should press charges and sue her for sharing and posting private informations without Ri’s consent… WTF… There is her private address, her full name… on the driver’s license…
I’d verify the “letter” came from a real lawyer before I did anything else. This woman is they type who sends fake cease and desist letters “from her law firm” and uses random attorney names found online to name as her attorney. I had it happen to a legal aid client of mine years ago, where the “opposing counsel” didn’t have a clue what the case was and wasn’t representing a party in it. At that point I reported the wannabe plaintiff to the state for engaging in the unauthorized practice of law. That’s a crime in all 50 US states. For clarity, I’ve been an attorney for 26 years so I’ve seen this nonsense a lot where people pretend to be lawyers in emails and letters (where the named counsel don’t even exist as licensed attorneys).
It is astonishing to me that this woman absolutely cannot admit she did anything wrong. Her career could have survived if she'd been nice and changed her practices. She was so greedy she destroyed her own business. That takes real talent.
omg this is so embarrassing! she couldn't just take the L and apologize lol. at this point i'm hoping ri countersues her for all she's worth and she has to leave the industry with her tail between her legs and find a new job. imagine this person tattooing you! good lord
In Canada we have the better business bureau, if you look up Lindsay on it you see she’s had complaints against her. The ones that are public are similar to both women’s stories & Lindsay’s counter arguments are picking apart the language of the complaints & saying that obviously these people don’t know what they’re talking about.
I really wish people understood the law more. That phone call where both parties (who were of legal age and sound mind) constitutes a verbal contract (because one party made an offer, the second party either agreed right away or negotiated until both parties came to an agreement). The fact, and I don't write fact offhandedly, the FACT that they sent her $850 which is magically half of $1700 and not $1900, backs up the defendants claim, not the tattoo artist's. Getting all the complaints from the police against her to show her pattern of behavior as evidence that you are telling the truth backs up the defendant's claim and not the tattoo artist's. Everyone else's TikToks with receipts, talking about their own experiences with that particular person, backs up the defendant's claim and not the artist's. I don't understand why people insist on insane lies and truly believe they can beat them!!! I REALLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYY hope she decides to countersue and finally put her in her place!
Retraction !! I called the lovely woman with the fox tattoo Christine when her actual name is Courtney!! My bad 😩❤️
EDIT: Part 2 to this is now up with all the latest updates! : th-cam.com/video/-cvRyDEWnvE/w-d-xo.html
Ri also now has a GoFund Me: gofund.me/9f8e43c0
And she didn't even need to send you a legal threat!
You’re good lady, I don’t think any of us remember the names of these people we just recognize the story and what each person looks like.
Greed really is the root of all evil!
She should countersue for having her personal private information being shared without permission
Aye!! I’d donate to that cause!!
She doxxed her?! (Just started the video.) She should sue AND press charges, cos I'm pretty sure that's a _criminal_ offence! The actual nerve!
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Personally, I tihink she should probably file criminal and civil harassment charges against the tattoo "artist" in question and subpoena the other artists that shared her information. And probably file a complaint with Better Business Bureau. IMO
@@mookinbabysealfurmittensIt's after her she refused to pay, Lindsay shared a pic of her driving license on Instagram to numerous tattoo artists in the area, who shared them too.
Definitely, it is a felony
Both women were very careful not to name the artist or the shop when they shared the story. How is she going to prove defamation?
defamation is soooooo hard to fight in the courts
@@hawazennnnn I think you mean defamation is soooooo hard to prove. In the U.S., the vast majority of defamation cases result in a loss for the plaintiff. They have to prove that the defendant made false and defamatory claims that resulted in personal injury and/or injury to the business in this case.
It can't be defamation if the artist outed herself...by herself lol
She is absolutely not gonna win this case at tall
I was thinking the same thing! She outed herself now lol
It is only defamation if it's not true, and her sharing her story wasn't her telling lies. The tattoo artist doesn't really have a case
For what it's worth, this lawsuit isn't going to *magically* clear up Lindsay's name and reputation. Her name pops up when you google "tattoo gate tattoo artist" and the best thing she can do is apologize and admit to her mistakes, because there's nothing else she can do at this point. Same with Russ, who should definitely be getting more heat than he has been.
The fact that she couldn’t even do the bare minimum and just apologize … yikes.
@@majesdane I know. It's certainly not going to help her when she tries to come back from this hot mess.
Is she not aware of the Streisand Effect? Sigh. Anyway, I doubt the veracity of her threats, or at least the validity. I agree with Miss Treacle that most judges would just toss this case if it actually reaches that high.
She even had a perfect excuse: “I trusted someone I thought was a guru and regret getting sucked into his claims of these methods earning me money. I was wrong to not think harder about these practices, and I’m sorry.” That guy would look worse, and she’d look better, if not slightly like a victim herself. But nooooooo, she went off and did…THiS.
I think this sounds more like a Cease and Desist letter, I.e. stop what you’re doing or we’ll sue you. Or alternatively a “stop what you’re doing but we don’t have actual recourse so we’re sending you a big scary letter to make you stop so stop being a meanie :(“
This is so confusing because wasnt Lindsay the first person to take it online, by posting the driver's license photo?
Sure was!!
That was real defamation! Lindsey is such a joke
@@Chelseabee55It was doxxing.
@@asmrtpop2676it was both
This is also against Canadian/Ontario privacy legislation. I suggest Ri make a complaint to the appropriate Ontario agency.
I'd be shocked if the letter came from a real law firm. Lots of people use online services to generate cease and desists and there's no case here. It has to be provably false to be defamation and the accusations against Lindsey are provably true. Scammers in the multi level marketing space use these threatening letters too and it's just a scare tactic, and a childish one at that.
Wasn’t even an actual letter, just an email. Something is def fishy.
That, or its a lawfirm taking on the case, expecting to lose, but just charging lindsay up the wazoo. Which i hope they do if its true.
Anyone can send a cease and desist letter. You don't need an attorney to do it. They are just warnings that you plan to take legal action and the main purpose of them is to avoid the cost of a lawsuit for both sides. It also helps in court to show the judge that you attempted to be reasonable and give the other person a chance to stop doing something that they might not have understood was violating your rights. You also don't technically even have to send one before filing a lawsuit.
I agree that most people use them as scare tactics without planning to follow through, but as long as they don't falsely claim that it's being sent by an attorney or law firm there's technically nothing wrong with doing it unfortunately
@@michaell8269 It doesn't have to be a paper letter. It just has to be in writing so emails are entirely legitimate ways of sending them. There's no such thing as a fake cease and desist since they aren't actually legal documents. Anyone can send one to anyone whether they have a case or not
They are trying to scare her. Many influencers do the same thing to normal people because people are afraid. Usually they don't have a leg to stand on as this one doesn't.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that Lindsay's "legal team" is actually Chat GPT. 🤣
This was so stupid of Lindsey. If she just waited a bit and changed her charging fees; she would eventually have people willing to give her a shot again. With going to a lawyer, she is just getting everyone to talk about it all over again.
Textbook backfire. What ae chump!
She doubled down… imo she gonna FAFO
Dumb people tend to have a behavior/habit of continually doing stupid things. The way she wanted to conduct her business clearly showed she was working at double capacity while only really having half an engine.
I think that’s the point
Kinda glad she took this route. People like her dont deserve success. You should always be willing to reevaluate after receiving bad feedback on your business
Wait... an EMAIL?! That's not legit. Nope. I would definitely recommend she look up the law firm and call them, because no lawyer is going to sent an email cease & desist, they would put it on letterhead with certified mail and the person it is addressed to needing to sign so they could prove delivery.
Email is used all the time. It is why things like Docusign exist.
@@auggiedoggiesmommy1734For a legal notice like this though, they want delivery assured. Email can easily end up at the wrong place with just a typo. In fact, that creature Colleen Ballanger's "legal team" sent an email to the wrong place and ended up informing the whole internet of their complete incompetence.
I've been in a legal battle with my awful landlord for the past three years; all cease and desist letters were emailed by my attorney along with duplicates sent via certified postal mail.
It's legit. Trust me... I've seen it
It's actually not uncommon to receive legal letter though email in Ontario (where this is happening)
Lindsey for sure just had a lawyer friend draft an email as a scare tactic because there’s no legal legitimacy to sending an email and she hopes it’ll work.
Her lawyer friend, named ChatGPT.
You don't even need a lawyer friend to create a cease and desist letter. There are plenty of free templates online where you just fill in the blanks with your name, their name, put in a fake address for the law firm, and then just write whatever reason you'd like for the letter
What’s more is that, depending on the state, actually filing the suit may get Lindsay hit with an anti-SLAPP action. That legislation is meant to protect people’s first amendment rights to participate in public discussion by punishing those who file frivolous lawsuits to silence them, after all.
Say it together people: It's not defamation or slander if its TRUE.
This.
While I FULLY believe Ri, where the law is concerned, it doesn't matter if it's actually true or not, there has to be proof of it. So I do hope Rea has everything she needs to fight back at this bullshit lawsuit.
She also has to prove the defamation and or slander caused a financial hardship to her reputation/business. Aaaand I’m pretty sure her reputation was down the toilet before Ri put out that video.
@@BurningFreesiasas far as i know defamation is extremely hard to prove, as lindsay would have to prove that not only the things ri said are not true, but that ri knew that it wasn't true. so ri doesn't need to prove that what she said is true, lindsay need to prove what ri said isn't and that ri knew that. that's why defamation, even in cases where there is a real defamation, is incredibly hard to succesfully sue for. (sry for mistakes, english isn't my first language)
@@BurningFreesiasThe accuser has the burden of proof under the law, not the accused. Lindsay has to prove it
At first I thought maybe the tattooer could be humbled by all this and go back to doing walkins, flash, whatever walked in the door, etc. But now she just needs to move on from the industry. This is embarrassing and looks bad for the industry.
Also I am from Atlanta and have known Russ a while. Have always liked his work but I dont know what he's doing these days with his marketing and tattoo plan packages.
Oh I guarantee this is throwing a huge wrench in the entire industry. I imagine a lot of new customers are going to be scrutinizing their payment policies and not paying a dime until they've seen the entire contract in writing. Why anyone is doing verbal agreements when it comes to artwork I don't know. Everything should be in writing before you spend a dime. Never give away your money! And without a contract in writing that's what you're doing. Giving away your money.
This is something that a lot of predators, who generally have power over their victims, use to silence those who speak out against them. We've seen it a fair bit in the last few years in the kink community, with mixed results. Also, it's disgusting and an abuse of the legal system
And abusers in general too.
My abusive ex did a similar thing, trying also to get my cat from me cause she had the documents for him and forged her name on it as the owner (which was so obvious, different handwriting AND different pen color lol). I looked at the name of the lawyer and it was a scammy 24/24hr online thing. And they did that by sending me a normal email, and in my country’s law if you don’t respond and by so acknowledge of reading it, it doesn’t even have legal value. Don’t know about how it works in America tough. I’m glad I spoke with an actual respectable lawyer who helped me navigate through the first months of leaving while she was stalking me.
I hope that this girl get the help she needs. That tattoo artist should just rot in hell at this point for me.
That is so disgusting beyond belief wtfff 😒😤 so beyond cruel
@@karmica7591 abuser/predator something seeing how abusers tend to behave the same way.
I think the funniest part is Ri didn't even say Lindsay's name in her original video, people just figured it out, her going out of her way to sue her is an admission of guilt in itself lol
Ri is threatening to countersue! Good for her, screw that scammer!
Hell yeah!
She has. a strong case due to the privacy issues, what Lindsay did is against privacy laws in Canada/Ontario.
Legally a lawsuit has to be hand delivered and signed for, anything else is just blustering. The whole thing is just ridiculous and it’s a lawsuit the artist can’t win
you sure thats canadian law or american
Depends on the country. In mine you can have it mailed by the postal service (a lot of lawyers will also send an email, too tho) but there are countries in which lawyers can send stuff like this via email IIRC.
That isn’t true. The judge can give the OK a for the suit to be served in a different way. This letter isn’t the lawsuit.
@@IxiaRayneAn email doesn’t have any way to verify it was read, let alone read by the intended person to read it.
A cease and desist isn't serving someone
I would love to be a fly on the wall while this person is making their claim in court.
Me too!! 😂
This made me chuckle 😂😂
I'll be there 😂
That email is not legally binding... nor is it real. This type of paperwork wood be delivered certified mail or by courier. NEVER by email! She needs to delete and ignore
Ri has lawyered up and has created a go fund me to raise money for legal costs. I gave up a coffee and donated it over to her. I hope with a little help she can take that parasite to the cleaners for all the harm she has caused. Lindsay brought this on herself. She clearly has no shame and from her actions, obviously has no conscience.
A general rule I was taught when I started in a profession where people sometimes get angry enough to threaten lawsuits: Once a lawyer is mentioned, all interpersonal conversations between you and the person making threats end. Inform them of such. A simple response of "Please forward your legal representative's information to me so that I may pass it along to my lawyers. They will be in contact," without preamble or further explanation can do wonders. For someone who is trying to get a rise or money out of you with an empty threat, it calls their bluff. (Most people don't want to, or can't afford to, spend the money on a lawyer. The person threatening you is hoping that you fall into the latter category and will just give them what they want without testing to see if they are of the former category.) For someone who is serious about getting the law involved, the less you speak to them without a lawyer present, the less chance there is of misspeaking and helping their/hurting your case. And, if the person is serious about getting a lawyer, you can wait until you receive that person's/firm's contact information before spending the money to engage your own. A "cease and desist" has no legal authority in-and-of itself.
A lawyer sent an email threatening a lawsuit? I know that this is taking place in Canada but that sounds sketchy. I lived in Canada and I know a few lawyers in the province that this takes place in. They usually have an officer or a courier send the lawsuit which is written on paper and signed for, not send an email which could potentially go to the wrong person or not be seen. I have a feeling a friend of Lindsey's set up a server, created a "law firm" with a sketchy website (People's pettiness have no bounds), and sent an email to scare Ri. I would suggest that she gets a lawyer and send an email to that firm saying "here's my legal representation, all further communications are to go through them." I BET that there will be no lawsuit.
A cease and desist isn't a lawsuit. It's a warning that you plan to file a lawsuit if the person doesn't stop what they're doing. There doesn't have to be any lawyers involved yet at this point because they aren't actually legal documents. Most people do get lawyers to help them write them just to make sure they'll actually have a case and because it gives more weight to the threat, but they don't have to. If it has been sent through a law firm that isn't legitimate then it is very much illegal though
You can buy cease and desist templates online which is likely what she did.
I think the very public sucess of the Depp trial and the E Jean Carrol trial have made people forget that its really hard to prove defamation because the defense is always that it could have reasonably happened they way they said. All she has to do in this case is show the videos of people sharing her ID and show her payments to Lindsey (3 payments made at the times she said) heck im sure there is a police report backing up what she said as well
Good point... I think the difficulty of proving defamation varies greatly by country, and you're probably right about it being very difficult in Canada... Crazy thing is, I recently heard that under Japanese law you can legally sue even when what the person is saying is true!
Depp made it viable for people to try and keep their victims quiet by suing for defamation. Never forget Depp was found to be a wifebeater in the UK. Where it is actually harder to defend against these claims.Look at how Manson and Pitt are now using the same tactic against Evan Rachel Wood and Angelina Jolie.
So she's suing Rea but not Courtney? This is a mess and she doesn't have a leg to stand on. A judge would just throw it out
I'm thinking it might be because Courtney is more recent and has had so much active support. She also has more public records and have shown that Lindsay essentially plagiarized someone else's work to use for Courtney's sketch that is being charged for. So Lindsay doesn't want to risk touching her.
She has sent Lindsey a letter from her legal team, now. Good for her! Lindsey is a scammer, plain and simple.
Really hope the lawyer is just scamming her. She deserves a taste of her own medicine.
Oh, good one! I hope so too!
I fear that there's no actual lawyer behind this. I have a feeling this might be an online generated cease and desist sent with a fake email account that just looks legit
A consult fee, tell you if it’s a good idea fee, letter writing fee, email fee. The possibilities are endless
She's probably hurting for clients, so she's gotta milk someone for money. It'll probably get thrown out if it ever does go to court because the agreement, as Ri said, was verbal. So, there's no way of proving or disproving what was agreed upon. It's probably just a scare tactic, like a cease and desist.
I'm curious if she had the same email sent to the original victim if what all these people are saying is false.
@@Beeza-om9jsmaybe! but not everyone checks their email. i never check mine unless i’m looking for something like concert tickets i purchased or tracking info on an order or someone tells me they just sent me an email. if someone sent me a cease and desist over email it wouldn’t even get opened 😂
Lindsay literally doxxed Ri - Ri should be sueing
It’s called the barbra Streisand effect. She complained that pictures of her mansion were online, and for them to be immediately removed from the internet, which of course had the opposite effect. Now she has a whole phenomenon named after her because of it 😅
Very interesting. I had no idea. And I'm old, lol.
and to add, Streisand sued the photographer, who had put the pictures on the internet for scientific reasons with six views (two views were from her lawyers). As he was documenting the California Coast not just her home. When she filed the lawsuit it went to 400,000 views. She lost the suit and had to pay his legal fees. So the tattoo artist may want to take that as an omen for the future.
Nah…the title explains everything, how are they not embarrassed-
People like that dont care
WOW. If she had done the driver's licence part in the EU, she would have been fined to oblivion. The nerve that woman has to sue is mind blowing.
My 'legal' advice to Ms. Joseph is exactly what Treacle Tatts said: "When you're in a hole... STOP DIGGING!"
The unnecessary stress of it all! Imagine getting ripped off to the tune of $4,000 dollars! And then the person who rips you off tries to sue you?! For what?! These stories make me so mad. And also make me appreciate my artist even more!
what I find insane is, what is that tattoo artist expecting will happen? she already has one of the worst reputations possible and instead of laying low and letting things rest, she's making a legal mess. again, what does she think will happen? she's literally crashing and burning herself all over again in the court of public opinion. no one likes seeing legal threats, she'll be completely blacklisted in the head of clients forever
She’s going to get laughed out of any court that she walks into!
Lesson learned- always get quotes signed in writing. I'll remember this when I eventually get tattoos.
Also, Ri didn't actually name and shame? She never mentioned Linday's name in any of the originally videos from what I can remember.
People just figured it out, so how exactly is Ri making defamation claims against Lindsay?
They are just trying to scare her, first because she didn't mention any name, second she has proof that the tattoo artist leaked her personal information. She just need a laywer to respond to it, but not as an email, sent a registered letter.
All she will need to do is get a statement from all the other tattoo artists and ask them if she leaked her license. If this lady thinks that EVERY artist will lie for her? She is wrong.
RI should already have enough to sue her for doxxing her. He address and personal information is now floating around the internet. If her identity gets stolen she could sue for that.
Scam artists need to be called out, $3000 for 5 hours of tattooing is ridiculous
Tattoogate Season 2 wasn't on my bingo card, but here we go. This woman is an embarassment to my country DX
Right! I was SO embarrassed to find out she was not only Canadian but Ontarian (as am I).
I hope one of the people who followed Tattoogate is a lawyer and will work for free defending the lady who is being sued!
Lawyers don't send emails unless it is between their client. I'm guessing the artist made a fake email address. I'd check out the authenticity of her attorney which can be found on the local bar association website.
She’s in Canada too, and over here, we can’t really just sue anybody and anything like in the US. I don’t think this would fly in a court here, unless maybe we have stricter defamation laws like in the UK.
Anyone can send a cease and desist, doesn't mean you have to stop lmao. Let Lindsey take her to court, I would LOVE to see the discovery.
Oh, dear lord!
Also, this one sleeve look is so cute on you. You are just adorable ♡
Ty 🥹❤️
Yes the one sleeve is great with that tattoo!!! Even just V-necks go well with it too though - ever since she got it I've had the urge to cut V-necks into all her T-shirts🤣
As a non tattoo person, I’m following this story along w you. It’s how I found your channel. I also now watch your other videos bc I find it all so interesting. I can’t wait for more updates. It’s a crazy story!
These customers need to report this person the the better business bureau & countersue. Wild!
Also super illegal to share someone’s photo id.
In my country if the cops are called they only do it to detain someone, break a fight or something similar, but they never show up and force someone to pay for something, even if the other person has the absolute right to be paid, because that's what the judges are for, so it's really really weird for me to hear that, does that really happen often in the U.S?
This happened in Canada, and I would assume she paid because Lindsay would likely take legal action, which is a long, expensive, and difficult process, and could end up on your record. My guess is that it was probably just easier to pay, and be done with it all.
I’m fully confident that this is an intimidation tactic. It’s unclear whether she actually had a lawyer or not, but I doubt she has any plan to actually take this to court. I’ve seen it time and time again, once there is a little push back or serious threat of legal action, she’ll fold
That’s just what cease and desists are. When done properly they’re not even legally binding, it’s basically a notice going “if you keep doing this there’s a lawsuit in your future”
Ri has all the proof of what was done to her. She shouldn't back down one inch. I hope she counter sues.
I thought this was over, but, Wow... The scammer's audacity 😂
Hi Lauren! I hope that you're doing well my darling. Every person who has gotten scammed should be filing a lawsuit against Lindsey. Let that tattoo studio get shut down, and make sure that Lindsey never practices tattooing again. My heart breaks for the victims and Ri has my full support. Thank you so much for making some of the best content on TH-cam, and for covering stories (like tattoo gate). I live in New York but, your information helps me find red flags on shady tattoo artists (like Lindsey) in my state. I wish that I would have done my research, and known about these types of tattoo artists before I got my first tattoo (a red heart on my right wrist). The tattoo that I have is tiny and the artist charged my ex (at the time) 60 dollars for the tattoo. I hope that you're having an awesome day. I love you always and forever😘😘😘😘💖💖💖💖
Always love your videos Lauren ❤ also wow the audacity of the scammer taking legal action 😂
random question, but what are your thoughts on split tongues? And do you think you would ever do videos on different types of body mods other than tattoos?
I personally don’t mind them but wouldn’t be anything I’d get done myself!! And potentially 😄
I really hope this brings to light some of the horrible behavior of certain people in the industry.
Back when I apprenticed back around 2009 and onward , my mentor warned me about people like this. He told me that I had to act tough or I would get taken advantage of, and he was right.
While I went back to school I had my expensive liner stolen while I worked at a bogo shop. A lot more happened there that completely turned me off from pursuing tattooing as a career.
I remember one time I was working on some original flash for an upcoming Friday the 13th Halloween special discount event we were having, and the person who would go on to steal my liner said, and I sh*t you not, “man, I wish I could draw.”
….. what the hell did you think tattooing was, just some tracing?!?!
I digress…I hate to say it but Lindsey’s behavior is NOT surprising in the least. It certainly isn’t the majority, but there is a larger group of people than I’m comfortable with admitting who are swindlers, scammers, cheaters, stealers (I had my custom art stolen with no credit given by the very same shop’s owner)….
I hope that in todays climate, this behavior is no longer brushed off. I want these people to finally experience some major consequences.
I’ll cackle if she tries to sue YOU for “spreading the word” on tattoo gating 🤣 “she’ll call it financial gain” haha omg this is beyond ridiculous. This tattoo “artist” is making it worst!
It sounds like this is just a cease and desist letter. Generally those can be ignored as they are just a scare tactic.
If (and it’s a big if) Lindsay does escalate things legally, she doesn’t have a leg to stand on in court.
Is it not normal to ask to see artists' rates before going forward with the work? Like deposits, design, hourly/day rates?
She (Lindsey) is trying to weaponize the legal system. Lindsey is also going to cost Ri so much money, I hope she can fight this without having a large financial loss.
Now would be a great time to start a counter/lawsuit against Lindsey with multiple of her scammed customers.
Not sure if it's because I live in Italy and it's not a thing in here, but as far as I know lawyers don't send emails to people for a potential lawsuit😬
always watch the annoying ahh ads for you queen. also your eyes are so pretty
The AUDACITY I cannot- 😀
I hope Legal Eagle gets in on this to possibly help
I just found your channel and im loving it. The way you present these stories is so well done. Im literally binge watching all your content. ❤
The AUDACITY. Wow.
Fun fact (apologies if it's already been stated here) but in Canada, you need to be able to demonstrate monetary damages to successfully get a favorable judgement in a libel/slander case. The judges are going to send her away telling her to bring back proof of loss of income/business which she can't produce or tie specifically to Ri
Anyone off the street who knows the details of this 'case' can see that Lindsey has no grounds to sue, and that Ri could easily counter-sue. Get the court involved and Lindsey will definitely ruin whatever is left of her reputation.
Might not even really be from a lawyer. Feel like they would send that sort of thing in the mail and not in an email. Definitely would be like "Fine, take me to court. We'll be counter suing.." That tattoo artist is dumb af...
It's Tat-Two Gate! 😱
LOL!! 10/10
Scammers will always continue to scam. They will refuse to take accountability or admit their own wrongs, they’d rather double down and further blame/pursue their victims.
The fact that somebody charged $4,000 for a VERY minimal , Color-Less, Non-Dimensional Tiny Shoulder Cap stretching across MAAAAAYYYYBEE … 5 total inches ..?? -WHEN- My Ex/ First Baby’s Father - paid $8,000 for an ENTIRE “Suit” down his Shoulders-Back-Butt-Thighs-TO THE KNEE; in a Full color Japanese influenced (Old School Warrior-ish) AWARD WINNING Piece of Art.
Not to mention my MOST costly tattoo - which Landed me in SEVERAL tattoo publications - roses from Top of my Hip - down the side of my thigh , ending at my Knee… Fully Colored and Shaded GORGEOUSLY, SOOOOO much Ink packed into it, - FOR $1,200!!!!!
Literally. I know certain tattoo artists ARE WORTH the high price. (For example, you ARENT even getting into the Seat of Niko or Roman - before you’ve kissed $3,000 goodbye - AT LEAST - but I mean…. Their work SHOWS in the quality. The tattoos are ACTUALLY NOTICEABLY DISTINCT, and INCREDIBLE!!!!
This piece on here is just So INCREDIBLY TYPICAL. No shame to RiRiality…. I’ve got plenty of “Cute” “Not Super Unusual” kinda Tattoos myself, but like…. I mean…. They were all done for rates of like …. $400 and lower. Like…. Yaknow …?!
The woman being sued should check the name of the lawyer, the firm, and the address, then if found contact them with the found info (not what was in the email) and check if they're real and truly working for Lindsay. Many people have used fake services to create fraudulent letters from lawyers. It's illegal to do so (pretend to be a lawyer), so that'd add to her countersuit case. Ri didn't say anything that wasn't true, so I doubt Lindsey even has grounds for a defamation suit. It's not illegal to share your story about someone on your personal accounts, Ri's intent was clearly to back up Courtney's story and help people from falling for the same. If her intent was to defame Lindsey, surely Ri wouldn't have waited to share her story until others came out, she would have "defamed" her right after her bad experience. I'd argue that Lindsey was defaming Ri by sharing her personal info and LYING that she didn't pay, with the intent of causing her trouble. Hopefully the suit is dropped (if it's even real, can't trust a shady person), but if not, Ri should countersue as it seems she's the one with an actual case!
I don't know about Canadian law but I know here in the US a letter is sent through the mail (usually certified) and you have the opportunity to contact your own attorney to discuss. Emails seem fishy to me. She should contact an attorney regardless and yes, i agree, a countersuit should be filed since her private and personal information, including her home address, was posted online. Without her permission. Anybody could have gone to her home and broken in or kidnapped her kids or whatever. That is scary af and Rhi should have sued her months ago.
Always pay with a credit card, if she has no quoted price documented she has no case
Most studios take cash only, but confirmation in messages should be fine. I would ask via DM anyway because id forget what I was quoted on the phone 😂
She has a GO FUND ME up right now guys! She's had enough to cover the retainer but it's being LEGALLY dealt with. Can't believe she's doing this
I may be wrong but my history with courts and the legal system (divorce and custody stuff) is that in order for a case to begin she (Ri) would have to be served and sign for the documents. It can’t just be a letter in the mail or email etc. or did I miss that part of the story? I truly think Ri should countersue and maybe even have Courtney there to sue her also.
She needs to get in contact with the police officer who made her pay. He'd be a great witness
you should listen to Teresa Sharpe’s podcast - the Tattoo Hotline. She and her cohost are amazingly talented, and it’s super insightful to hear from women who have been in the industry for so long.
I don't know how it works in Canada, but in the US it is really hard to prove defamation. Also if you are running a business and providing a service you are going to have bad reviews and opinions about your services.
Can't believe this isn't over 😂
A few things: first, check with the attorney who contacted you. Did she actually pay them to send that, or is she stealing their name? Happens often. Also, look into the attorney. Are they known for being "all talk", mostly a cheap office whose work is mostly empty threats intended to intimidate people into silence (á là Blair "Illuminaughtii" with, er, the American one, ex-friend & editor, had a dog, spacing his name). Also, it's not defamation if what they did is _fact,_ ofc! Also, if isn't basically what people expect of the person, their reputation. As in, she's already known as a duplicitous scammer and this is how she's been with many, many people. Second, the tattooer has been abusive and defamatory herself, and the doxxing is mental.
Also, on the first TTok clip, the victim cites the cop telling her "the law says you have to pay her whatever she says", but don't rely on their knowledge of the law! Especially in that situation, where she spoke with the cop & he said she has to pay. She doesn't, cos contracts are a thing, and you cannot just "[post hoc] charge whatever [amount] you want". You need to speak to a lawyer! If you have a few thousand to pay for sunk-cost, then you can afford a [often free] consult with an attorney who specialises in this sort of thing, which is primarily a civil matter, not a legal one. And if it is re criminal offence, you have a right to a defence attorney if you can't afford it, and if you don't qualify, there are options like sans interest payment plans.
And always remember that the police are not your friend and they don't care about you or your situation. And even by law they're not obligated to help you if they "feel threatened or unsafe" and often just don't want to and so they don't. Never trust a copper.
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I am wondering if that really was a cop. She said he called her and told her she had to pay whatever the artist decided to charge. I know in the states, if there was such a dispute, the cop would just tell you to take it to small claims court. There’s no way he’d call someone’s customer and tell them they had to pay. Just doesn’t ring true to me
Does Canada have SLAP laws, because that is 100% what this is.
I’m not gonna be satisfied until the shady tattoo artist has to pick up a ukulele and sing an apology to the people she has scammed.
I’m not a tattoo enthusiast and I know very little about the process and the industry. However, I think this tattoo is absolutely beautiful. Like someone else pointed out it looks like something out of an old storybook. The art style is unique compared to what tattoos commonly look like. People are being quite harsh it’s a beautiful work of art and she seems very happy.
I have had friends who have gotten tattoos. They had consultations and quoted a price. Got it in writing. And that was the price. I hope this educates people that when you work with independent contractors. You need to negotiate a fee upfront get it in writing and there is no wiggle room. Whether it's a flat fee. Or if they structure it by the hour. So you make an informed choice if you choose them as an artist. That it can get very expensive, very fast. It's a shame hearing if there are artists (allegedly) violating the trust between artist and client stringing them along and up charging at every turn. Personally, I have no problem with artists charging for a consultation or design time. As time is money, and if they are in high demand they don't want to waste time on someone that might ghost them. And not get the tattoo. Losing income. After taking time to design a tattoo But I would want it in writing what their fees are for it before I put down a deposit and what that covers.
Consulting/sketch fees for a tattoo should not exceed more than 10% of the estimated tattoo total cost. Lawsuit? That's like sueing someone for saying you stink after you fart, she is seriously deluded. Her lawers should change the defamation suit to the 'you smelt it, you dealt' suit.
us law is so crazy. in austria, if someone charges unreasonable prices for a service (e.g. from someone in a vulnerable position), that's something you can go to court with.
also, why was there no written contract? how is that sort of scam even possible under the law??
I don't know Canadian law, but in the US there is no way a lawyer would actually take this case against Ri. That is so baffling! The fact that this "artist" is only going after Ri when Courtney's video about the fox sparked Ri to come forward shows right there that this lawsuit is absolutely bonkers! And you know this is just her way of continuing to scam, because she's trying to scare Ri into paying her even MORE money! Like you said, there's no way Ri can scrub the internet, but that's the point! Because she can't do that the letter states Ri would have to pay compensation instead, so it's just one big new scam for Lindsay to try out!
The only lawyers that would take this case are those paid up front and those who were dumb enough to be fooled.
Idk if i missed it but didnt she not even name the artist in her tiktok posts?? How do you defame someone if you dont even mention their name?
I mean as long as ri did not mention Lindsey's name in her initial tik toks they can't even PROVE that ri was talking about Lindsey. Honestly that just proves the guilt right there LMAO
As someone currently studying law for my certification exam in Ontario, I am extremely curious to see what the end result of all this is!!! The clients in my opinion have been wronged and I can see this being an incredibly interesting civil case in Ontario... I hope things work out well for both of the clients. Especially with the sharing of personal private information..... Holy hell.
Ri should press charges and sue her for sharing and posting private informations without Ri’s consent… WTF… There is her private address, her full name… on the driver’s license…
“Scam artist” is now a searchable tag for google reviews of her business because of how often it’s been mentioned… she dug her grave
Lolololol oh man that tickles me 😂
she should double down and take the scammer to small claims court for scamming her
I’d verify the “letter” came from a real lawyer before I did anything else. This woman is they type who sends fake cease and desist letters “from her law firm” and uses random attorney names found online to name as her attorney. I had it happen to a legal aid client of mine years ago, where the “opposing counsel” didn’t have a clue what the case was and wasn’t representing a party in it. At that point I reported the wannabe plaintiff to the state for engaging in the unauthorized practice of law. That’s a crime in all 50 US states. For clarity, I’ve been an attorney for 26 years so I’ve seen this nonsense a lot where people pretend to be lawyers in emails and letters (where the named counsel don’t even exist as licensed attorneys).
This tattoo "artist" is beyond predatory. I hope she gets laughed out of court.
It is astonishing to me that this woman absolutely cannot admit she did anything wrong. Her career could have survived if she'd been nice and changed her practices. She was so greedy she destroyed her own business. That takes real talent.
omg this is so embarrassing! she couldn't just take the L and apologize lol. at this point i'm hoping ri countersues her for all she's worth and she has to leave the industry with her tail between her legs and find a new job. imagine this person tattooing you! good lord
In Canada we have the better business bureau, if you look up Lindsay on it you see she’s had complaints against her. The ones that are public are similar to both women’s stories & Lindsay’s counter arguments are picking apart the language of the complaints & saying that obviously these people don’t know what they’re talking about.
If there is more than one person with proof can't they come together to sue her class action law suit style?????
I really wish people understood the law more. That phone call where both parties (who were of legal age and sound mind) constitutes a verbal contract (because one party made an offer, the second party either agreed right away or negotiated until both parties came to an agreement). The fact, and I don't write fact offhandedly, the FACT that they sent her $850 which is magically half of $1700 and not $1900, backs up the defendants claim, not the tattoo artist's. Getting all the complaints from the police against her to show her pattern of behavior as evidence that you are telling the truth backs up the defendant's claim and not the tattoo artist's. Everyone else's TikToks with receipts, talking about their own experiences with that particular person, backs up the defendant's claim and not the artist's. I don't understand why people insist on insane lies and truly believe they can beat them!!! I REALLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYY hope she decides to countersue and finally put her in her place!