I just wanna say I love watching your videos no matter what they are. My favorite tech channel by far. You guys will become one of the biggest channels I'm sure of it!
Get 3200 mhz cl14 G. Skill TridentZ as those are samsung b-die. They can be overclocked to 3600 cl16 fairly easily. My rule of thumb is, if you are going with a >$400 GPU with a high end i7 CPU / Ryzen 7 (>$300) cpu, might as well pair at least 3200 mhz ram. Open world games nowadays need fairly high speed ram. You pretty much at least buy the ram speed in the middle of the lowest and highest speeds (2133 - 4600), so 3200 - 3600 mhz ram.
After watching the full video I'm really glad I snagged a 32gb 3400mhz memory kit for about $100 less than regular pricing. It's worth it for maximum FPS in CPU limited stuff, but I was borking at the over $400 AUD regular price.
Hey Steve, love what you're doing with the channel. Just letting you know that now that the pentium kaby lake processors have hyper-threading, pentiums vs. an i3 is a must make video. Please, I beg of you, do a video on that. Thanks mate, and keep up the good content.
Great videos as always! But could you guys please make a DDR4 memory guide for the most common GPU price bracket (GTX 1060/ RX480)? I have seen plenty of videos like yours showing performance advantages of higher frequency memory especially when the GPU and CPU are both already top of the line, but I have heard on channels such as DigitalFoundry that the performance advantage of higher frequency DDR4 is much more limited when using a more common setup (e.g; midrange i5 +1060 or 480) It would be interesting to see if spending say.... $10 more to get 2666Mhz instead of 2133Mhz on a midrange build would be worthwhile. Keep up the good work!
I agree on the 16gb comment of 'should be the new standard'. The majority of everyone thinks I'm nuts, but I legitimately saw a gaming boost in all my games across the board switching from 8gb to 16gb. And no I don't have 4,000 programs running in the background, I'm very stingy with how much I have installed.. It is DDR3 though, I imagine 8gb of DDR4 is better then the DDR3 alternative :p
thank you for this, I spent way too much time researching if I should go from ddr4-2400 to 3000. I found out that my i7-7700k only supports 2400 anyway unless I overclock. Im still going to get 3000 and just overclock the memory.
I found that my G.Skill Ripjaws memory overclocks quite well. I have a mixture of the 2133 and 2400mhz and it all overclocks to 3000mhz when I up the voltage to 1.31V and loosen the timing from 15 to 17 and 1T to 2T. I haven't seen or felt any difference, whatsoever in gaming, but in synthetic benchmarks, and using my ramdisk (about 40% faster), it makes a noticeable difference. If you're a gamer, get whatever is cheap. If you're doing video editing or something that's more memory-intensive, it might pay to get faster memory, or you can take your chances with overclocking.
I have corsair 2133 stock with 3000 XMP profile, but I manually overclocked to 3200mhZ. Did make a framerate difference on Fallout 4 with my X99 build.
Please do a set of benchmarks with both dual and quad channel. I'd love to know if you could run a slower frequency with quad channel and still see greater benefits.
Memory frequency only helps increasing FPS counter when your CPU+RAM combo are limiting factor. Let's say, you pair i5 6600k clocked at 4.0GHz and GTX 1070 ( overclocked ) and you will start play very CPU demanding games ( Watch Dogs 2 fo instance ) you will notice that majority of playing time your GPU isn't fully utilized ( it's loaded less than 99% of this potential ). You can solve that CPU+RAM "bottleneck" by overclocking CPU and pairing it with higher frequency RAM. Other example: overclocked i7 ( 4, 6, 8 cores etc. ) with GTX 1070- here you will see constant and full GPU load at 99-100% and therefore further CPU+RAM boost will have no effect whatsoever, because GPU already giving everything it has to. P.S. Steve, would be interesting to see tests where we could see that thin line when we are ok with i5 k-series and where we start needing stronger i7's to fully utilize graphics adapter.
It is interesting that the RAM speed influences the performance in 1080p quite a bit (Depending on the game) but in 4k gaming there is almost no difference. So if you are planning to play in 4k you don't really have to bother about the RAM speed (yet. Maybe that will change with new graphics cards, maybe not).
So the conclusion is, i still dont know which RAM i should buy because you didnt said anything about dual-ranked vs single-ranked or single sided vs dual sided or chip quality. What if i want to play the real games where FPS matter? In other words games where RAM does a huge difference in performance, f.e. all those Source engine games like CSGO (which is even mostly played on resolutions like 1024x768) or Dota2 or other Heavy CPU bound games like H1Z1, World of Warcraft, Starcraft2? All those competitive games that matter and do benefit from buying a higher tier RAM werent even mentioned. Its good to know that people playing AAA titles on 4k resolutions doesnt have to care about RAM at all and can basically pick that stuff randomly, but that doesnt help me. I want the highest minimum FPS for games that people are actually playing over a longer period of time. So that i can theoretically play csgo with a 240 FPS monitor at the highest possible/affordable smoothness.
yeah i just got a "deal" on 3200mhz for 134. what cpu is he using for the benchmarks? i know 4 core cpus gain more with fast ram. ive seen in one of his videos a 4 thread cpu gaining around 10 fps in bf1. its because the threads have to swap in and out of memery so fast. what cpu is this i wonder?
lol are you trolling me. a 6400 doesnt get 160 fps in bf1 even with a titan x, does it? i thought maybe 7700k or 6700k. maybe im wrong though. is there a particular reason you think so?
yeah i just checked a 7700k video thats showing similar numbers so i think its an i7. one of his videos shows the difference with a 4 core/4thread chip. i think it was the i3 8100 which is the same exact chip basically as an i5 6500. it got like 10 or 12 fps just going from 2400 to 3200 i think. its one of the coffeelake videos recently. its comparing using a locked b or h board compared to an unlocked z series board. the b and h only go to 2133 or 2400, i think 2400, with the i3's. so he compares that speed with 3200 on the z board and it does like 12 fps more. i7's dont get much help from fast memory but i5's definitely do in any heavily threaded game. basically any game where an i7 does a lot better than an i5. when they preform about the same the i5 doesnt gain as much from fast ram
If you play at 144hz monitor and you like competetive FPS games memory speed is very important! Minimum FPS is what you need playing at 100+ FPS. Overclocking CPU and Memory (i7 6700k@ 4.5ghz and ddr4 3400mhz for example) will give u highest possible minimum FPS on 1080p resolution. But only if you have R9 Fury - Fury x, Gtx 980ti, GTX 1070, gtx1080, Titan X you will se 5-10% boost in FPS, slower gpus will give you less boost and makes no sense to buy fast ram for example for rx470 or gtx 1060 ...The same thing is playing at higher resolutions, you dont need fast memory for 4k gaming...
"The impact timings have on bandwidth isn't nearly as significant as frequency". When it comes to primary timings, that may be true, but tertiary timings and RTL/IO-L offsets drastically impact bandwidth, far more than the raw clock speed. With 3600 C14-14-14-28-2, my current ram setup handily beats a 4000 C18 XMP kit with relative ease in both raw bandwidth and latency. This is completely ignoring rank interleaving. Any who, as your tests have concluded, memory speed only aids in gaming performance in situations with high CPU overhead. As CPU overhead becomes less of an issue (such as higher resolutions) memory speed helps less. As you also said, high refresh rate gaming (especially those high-end variable refresh monitors) benefit greatly from faster ram as it helps determine exactly how low your framerates dip. Faster ram can help you stay within that freesync minimum refresh window, making it a nice investment given how easy it is to overclock even the worst Micron IC's to 3000mhz on the cheapest Z170 boards.
for future videos could you use games and software which would better represent performance. See games likes ashes of the singularity or the total war series and maybe some examples of practical software like how much faster or slower these RAM kits help or hinder rendering.
I've seen a few 6700k vs 7700k framerate comparisons and I noticed that the Kaby Lake CPUs use more memory than Sky Lake. Have you heard anything about why that is?
+Hardware Unboxed Is there a way to quickly and efficiently find out Amazon pricing in Australia including shipping and currency conversion? Kind regards, someone from the technological backwater otherwise known as Perth, WA
Hardware Unboxed can you do the same testings with the mid range gpus like the rx 480 and gtx 1060 does memory scaling make a difference at theese card levels? i would really love to see that video and your findings.
ipadize out come would be very similar in high refresh rate gaming there can be some gain but in gpu limited double digit fps there is just margin of error
hmm.. a bit of an odd video to be honest. Surely it would of made more sense checking out dual channel vs quad channel (because of Ryzen, 8 cores). Does it have any impact on performance, since the X99 boards are all quads. As you said, I think most people are waiting to see what happens with Ryzen now. Maybe you have already covered this issue? thanks.
I’m confused, why does Ryzen have anything to do with Kaby Lakes memory controller? Also how does testing Intel memory performance tell us anything about Ryzen performance. Finally, quad-channel vs. dual-channel performance on the X99 platform was tested to death over a year ago, quad-channel makes little difference for the most part.
I thought you said in another video that you were check the difference between them (to see if that would impact on performance). I did a quick look on your channel and didnt find a video. I found it strange you wanted to talk about Kaby lake with regards of memory, since nothing much as changed since the past few generations. I thought this might be a question that comes up because of Ryzen. Anyway Steve, thanks for replying, keep up the great work.
Gandhabba I just ordered the same ram but the RGB version after doing a ton of reasearch. You made a good choice. Nothing to worry about unless your going for world record overclocking with liquid nitrogen or something.
When you did the timings did you change all of the timings of the memory or just the cl? I have found changing the command rate from 2t to 1t can make the pc boot faster and lower loading times by a few seconds.
Hi I know this video is a little older but hoping you can help. I currently have 2 x 16gb Corsair LPX memory modules. Am I better off using all the slots as there is room for 2 more modules ie 4 slots or just sticking to 2 slots?
hey Steve, this is an interesting video review, and made me wonder if i shouldve gone for a z170 instead of my gigabyte g1 sniper b7 (b150 chipset), my cpu is a 6700 non k, ram is corsair vengeance led 16gb 2666 cl16 running at 2133, gpu is a 1070 oced to 2050 mhz and 8500 mhz vram, resolution is 2560*1080p, i know that the titan XP will push the cpu at 1080p, my question is, will i get significant performance improvement from upgrading my motherboard to a z170 which will then run my memory at 2666 in battlefield 1? i hope you get what im saying, typing from a tablet is quite cumbersome
or maybe get an i7 7700 and ram will run at 2400mhz without changing the motherboard? im really confused at what to do coz i dont have a lot of money to spend on upgrades.. z170 or 7700..aarghh.. either way, ill have to sell either my cpu or my motherboard
No, imo you would not get a significant improvement by going from 2133 to 2666 MHz memory. Even CPU bound the Titan only gained 2-3% in BF1 at 1080p. Therefore, you would get about the same or less improvement with a 1070 driving slightly more pixels, which would not be worth the cost of a z170 mobo imo for the performance gained. Just save your $ for the next PC or upgrade. Maybe if you got a mobo that would allow you to overclock your non K CPU via base clock you could increase the memory speed at the same time, but even then it still may not be worth it considering the cost to performance ratio.
Hm yes but you said "sounds like" so I used those examples as they sound similar (but not the same) - of course they are pronounced differently. Okay if you pronounce Z like C then I get it now. So when you say "zebra" you say "see-bra", exactly like 'see'? I would understand if similarly but exactly the same?
Faster GPU? This is Titan XP. But going back: the impact is the greatest when CPU is under pressure, e.g. an i3 6100 in a CPU intensive game or section; then the high frequency RAM can compensate quite considerably for its limited performance. See some vids done last year by Digital Foundry.
Just bought some 3200 MHz memory, but that was before this video. I wish I waited, could have saved around $15. Oh well, to be honest, it doesn't bother me.
Hi I have a issue with my DDR3 ram, I have just got the FM2+ Asus ROG Crossblade Ranger for my A10 7870k, I have 2 sets of ram that I could possibly use with the mobo or so I thought. I have 16gb ( 4x 4gb) of HyperX Fury DDR3 @1866mhz with no XMP profiles so its just PnP, but I also have 16gb (2x 8gb) of corsair Vengeance Pro Series with a xmp profile of 2400mhz and they oc rather well.. When I install all 4 sticks of the HyperX fury @1866 the debug always displays a 32 error code, but if I use just 2 sticks in A2 and B2 Dimm slots it boots up fine but only shows 4gb in Bios when there is 8gb installed and obviously in single channel , and one on its own in A2 Dimm slot wont work at all just error code 32, but my corsair ram works fine with both sticks but wont boot with just one. Is my ram defunked or is the Dimm slot defunked or bios just don't like them I don't know or it could be that this mobo only likes ram that has xmp profiles to boot. I have updated the Bios to the most recent version. I'm on windows 10 64bit, have no gpu at the moment for this particular build. So to cap off I have 4 sticks that wont work together, one on its own wont boot in any slot, 2 in Dimms A2 and B2 work but only half of ram shows, and 3 sticks don't work in any config. Am I only to use recommended ram for this mobo.
So here's my problem, according to my calculations, ddr4 3400 cas16 is slower than ddr4 2400 cas10. So while the 3400 is out-performing everything here, it is beaten by a significantly lower mhz chip, with a much lower latency. So I am wondering what you have to say about that? Thanks. And wouldn't it be better in principle, to buy ram with the lowest stock latency you can get, and then overclock the frequency? Or am I missing something?
DDR4 isn't that timing sensitive, nor are the CPUs that use it. For example the difference between DDR4-3200 using CL14 and CL20 timings on Ryzen in a CPU intensive game with a seriously high-end GPU is next to nothing... th-cam.com/video/XOsYOASddeo/w-d-xo.htmlm16s
Correct me if im wrong, but can't you just buy the cheapest 2133mhz ram and overclock it to 3000mhz with a z170/z270 mobo and overclockable cpu? Assuming that you don't care about aesthetics of the ram.
Those cheapest 2133mhz ram often have worse heatsinks and dont overclock well, arent that stable with hefty oc, ofc u might get lucky but its not sure 100% thing on every cheap ram stick. Better pay that silly 5$ more and not worry about anything xD
INTEL HAVE GONE TOO FAR first of refresh haswell and shrinking Haswell and name it Broadwell rename Broadwell , make it main stream and name it Skylake , Refresh Skylake add some exclusive feature and name it Kaby lake! and i most hated thing is limit ram speed through chip set
i have a h110m msi mobo and i want an i5 7500. keep in mind this is my first build ever and i dont have another cpu to update the bios. does anyone know if i throw the 7500 in will it work or do i have to go with a 6500
Really though, since so many mobos use only ddr4 2133mhz, it will not be much faster if at all than ddr3 running at it's max speed of 2133 mhz ( can reach 2400 mhz when overclocked.)
So i have : intel core i7-7700 kaby lake 3.60GHz 3.60GHz DDR4 8GB Crucial 2166Mhz RAM and what ram i should use Kingston HyperX FURY (2x16) 32GB 2666MHz or Patriot Viper Steel 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3200MHz are this good for my PC or i should upgrade ram i want to upgrade but i dont know what to use .You can give me and another RAM card models thx
It's quite CPU intensive, so yes, depending on your processor. You will get a proportionately greater improvement if you have an i3 than if you have an i7 processor.
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Don't go with the crowd Steve!
It's okay if you say 'Zed' ;)
1:44 the reason for the DRAM shortage.
Memory Jenja, the new game for the whole family.
I just wanna say I love watching your videos no matter what they are. My favorite tech channel by far. You guys will become one of the biggest channels I'm sure of it!
your videos continue to impress me with how helpful they are in deciding what products to go with. bravo sir!
This channel seriously seriously deserves more subs and more views.. steve and matt do so well for the PC space
that memory jenga is now worth a small fortune
The RAM Jenga was awesome :D Please stick to your Aussie pronunciation, I always cop it for the way I say "Cache", but it's also our signature :D
Zed is perfectly acceptable. This was a great video. Thank you for making it.
Thank you for making this video Steve!
You're very welcome mate!
Nice guide man. And a coffee lake guide like this one?
Get 3200 mhz cl14 G. Skill TridentZ as those are samsung b-die. They can be overclocked to 3600 cl16 fairly easily. My rule of thumb is, if you are going with a >$400 GPU with a high end i7 CPU / Ryzen 7 (>$300) cpu, might as well pair at least 3200 mhz ram. Open world games nowadays need fairly high speed ram. You pretty much at least buy the ram speed in the middle of the lowest and highest speeds (2133 - 4600), so 3200 - 3600 mhz ram.
growing faster now great video :)
Great video! I can't wait for that g skill rgb ram definitely gunna buy it!
I just ordered an I5 7600K for my first gaming PC this video was very informative and helpful.
After watching the full video I'm really glad I snagged a 32gb 3400mhz memory kit for about $100 less than regular pricing. It's worth it for maximum FPS in CPU limited stuff, but I was borking at the over $400 AUD regular price.
Ooo pre ram apocalypse how I miss you x.x
Hey Steve, love what you're doing with the channel. Just letting you know that now that the pentium kaby lake processors have hyper-threading, pentiums vs. an i3 is a must make video. Please, I beg of you, do a video on that. Thanks mate, and keep up the good content.
Exactly the questions I wanted answered. Thank you for this video :-)
Great videos as always!
But could you guys please make a DDR4 memory guide for the most common GPU price bracket (GTX 1060/ RX480)? I have seen plenty of videos like yours showing performance advantages of higher frequency memory especially when the GPU and CPU are both already top of the line, but I have heard on channels such as DigitalFoundry that the performance advantage of higher frequency DDR4 is much more limited when using a more common setup (e.g; midrange i5 +1060 or 480)
It would be interesting to see if spending say.... $10 more to get 2666Mhz instead of 2133Mhz on a midrange build would be worthwhile.
Keep up the good work!
Great videos going up on this channel, keep it up!
PS I'm waiting for Ryzen.
You guys are the best.
I agree on the 16gb comment of 'should be the new standard'. The majority of everyone thinks I'm nuts, but I legitimately saw a gaming boost in all my games across the board switching from 8gb to 16gb. And no I don't have 4,000 programs running in the background, I'm very stingy with how much I have installed.. It is DDR3 though, I imagine 8gb of DDR4 is better then the DDR3 alternative :p
I also went with 16gb but that was mainly because I am a hoarder of browser tabs. As I type this, I have 23 active.
Had 6 gb of ram and recently went up to 12 gb. Friend kept telling me it would make no difference. Boy was he wrong.
alot of games from 2015 and up recomends 16 gig . the world is changing
WTF ? what u r doin with the 23 tabs? lol
Well as I write this I only have ten open but it's the weekend. When I'm working I usually have 10-12 more open.
Local pricing has gone crazy around here. 16GB of 2666mhz is around 160 USD as of this comment, yet just year ago it was 80-90 dollars.
Lmao... That 125fps cap bit gave me a good chuckle :-P
thank you for this, I spent way too much time researching if I should go from ddr4-2400 to 3000. I found out that my i7-7700k only supports 2400 anyway unless I overclock. Im still going to get 3000 and just overclock the memory.
I found that my G.Skill Ripjaws memory overclocks quite well. I have a mixture of the 2133 and 2400mhz and it all overclocks to 3000mhz when I up the voltage to 1.31V and loosen the timing from 15 to 17 and 1T to 2T. I haven't seen or felt any difference, whatsoever in gaming, but in synthetic benchmarks, and using my ramdisk (about 40% faster), it makes a noticeable difference. If you're a gamer, get whatever is cheap. If you're doing video editing or something that's more memory-intensive, it might pay to get faster memory, or you can take your chances with overclocking.
I have corsair 2133 stock with 3000 XMP profile, but I manually overclocked to 3200mhZ. Did make a framerate difference on Fallout 4 with my X99 build.
Please do a set of benchmarks with both dual and quad channel. I'd love to know if you could run a slower frequency with quad channel and still see greater benefits.
Memory frequency only helps increasing FPS counter when your CPU+RAM combo are limiting factor. Let's say, you pair i5 6600k clocked at 4.0GHz and GTX 1070 ( overclocked ) and you will start play very CPU demanding games ( Watch Dogs 2 fo instance ) you will notice that majority of playing time your GPU isn't fully utilized ( it's loaded less than 99% of this potential ). You can solve that CPU+RAM "bottleneck" by overclocking CPU and pairing it with higher frequency RAM.
Other example: overclocked i7 ( 4, 6, 8 cores etc. ) with GTX 1070- here you will see constant and full GPU load at 99-100% and therefore further CPU+RAM boost will have no effect whatsoever, because GPU already giving everything it has to.
P.S. Steve, would be interesting to see tests where we could see that thin line when we are ok with i5 k-series and where we start needing stronger i7's to fully utilize graphics adapter.
It would be interesting to see single channel and dual channel performance comparison.
It is interesting that the RAM speed influences the performance in 1080p quite a bit (Depending on the game) but in 4k gaming there is almost no difference. So if you are planning to play in 4k you don't really have to bother about the RAM speed (yet. Maybe that will change with new graphics cards, maybe not).
Udo der Unförmige
should change when GPUs are enough good to actually run games in 4K without being bottleneck.
So the conclusion is, i still dont know which RAM i should buy because you didnt said anything about dual-ranked vs single-ranked or single sided vs dual sided or chip quality. What if i want to play the real games where FPS matter? In other words games where RAM does a huge difference in performance, f.e. all those Source engine games like CSGO (which is even mostly played on resolutions like 1024x768) or Dota2 or other Heavy CPU bound games like H1Z1, World of Warcraft, Starcraft2? All those competitive games that matter and do benefit from buying a higher tier RAM werent even mentioned. Its good to know that people playing AAA titles on 4k resolutions doesnt have to care about RAM at all and can basically pick that stuff randomly, but that doesnt help me. I want the highest minimum FPS for games that people are actually playing over a longer period of time. So that i can theoretically play csgo with a 240 FPS monitor at the highest possible/affordable smoothness.
I will remember this video
Seeing those memory prices in late 2017 :( feelsbadman
yeah i just got a "deal" on 3200mhz for 134. what cpu is he using for the benchmarks? i know 4 core cpus gain more with fast ram. ive seen in one of his videos a 4 thread cpu gaining around 10 fps in bf1. its because the threads have to swap in and out of memery so fast. what cpu is this i wonder?
I'm pretty sure he's running an i5 6400 for all these benchmarks
lol are you trolling me. a 6400 doesnt get 160 fps in bf1 even with a titan x, does it? i thought maybe 7700k or 6700k. maybe im wrong though. is there a particular reason you think so?
yeah i just checked a 7700k video thats showing similar numbers so i think its an i7. one of his videos shows the difference with a 4 core/4thread chip. i think it was the i3 8100 which is the same exact chip basically as an i5 6500. it got like 10 or 12 fps just going from 2400 to 3200 i think. its one of the coffeelake videos recently. its comparing using a locked b or h board compared to an unlocked z series board. the b and h only go to 2133 or 2400, i think 2400, with the i3's. so he compares that speed with 3200 on the z board and it does like 12 fps more. i7's dont get much help from fast memory but i5's definitely do in any heavily threaded game. basically any game where an i7 does a lot better than an i5. when they preform about the same the i5 doesnt gain as much from fast ram
Consider testing whether dual channel is still relevant with such high clocked memory modules. Rumour has it that it doesn't!
great video steve. I do alot of CAD and simulation.. how does memory amount and frequency affect that?
Thanks for the video, I am about to buy a new PC with RAM very soon!
funny how digitalfoundry has a completely different view on things and shows really nice gains in most games with faster memory.
What conditions were they testing under?
If you play at 144hz monitor and you like competetive FPS games memory speed is very important! Minimum FPS is what you need playing at 100+ FPS. Overclocking CPU and Memory (i7 6700k@ 4.5ghz and ddr4 3400mhz for example) will give u highest possible minimum FPS on 1080p resolution. But only if you have R9 Fury - Fury x, Gtx 980ti, GTX 1070, gtx1080, Titan X you will se 5-10% boost in FPS, slower gpus will give you less boost and makes no sense to buy fast ram for example for rx470 or gtx 1060 ...The same thing is playing at higher resolutions, you dont need fast memory for 4k gaming...
"The impact timings have on bandwidth isn't nearly as significant as frequency". When it comes to primary timings, that may be true, but tertiary timings and RTL/IO-L offsets drastically impact bandwidth, far more than the raw clock speed. With 3600 C14-14-14-28-2, my current ram setup handily beats a 4000 C18 XMP kit with relative ease in both raw bandwidth and latency. This is completely ignoring rank interleaving.
Any who, as your tests have concluded, memory speed only aids in gaming performance in situations with high CPU overhead. As CPU overhead becomes less of an issue (such as higher resolutions) memory speed helps less. As you also said, high refresh rate gaming (especially those high-end variable refresh monitors) benefit greatly from faster ram as it helps determine exactly how low your framerates dip. Faster ram can help you stay within that freesync minimum refresh window, making it a nice investment given how easy it is to overclock even the worst Micron IC's to 3000mhz on the cheapest Z170 boards.
Really ticked off that no reviewer ever adds Overwatch to memory tests. It's one of the rare games that actually benefit from faster Ram speeds.
for future videos could you use games and software which would better represent performance. See games likes ashes of the singularity or the total war series and maybe some examples of practical software like how much faster or slower these RAM kits help or hinder rendering.
7:10 Holy smokes, amazon.es is like double the cost, forcing me to go premium.
Ended up getting deal on 3600Mhz, since similar price to 3000Mhz.
.. and you hold it in your hands and touch all the pins too ...
now all the ram price is 2x or up ......................
I bought G.Skill Ripjaws4 DDR4-3000 C15 QC - 16GB, only ones I could find with c15 at 3000 mhz
I've seen a few 6700k vs 7700k framerate comparisons and I noticed that the Kaby Lake CPUs use more memory than Sky Lake. Have you heard anything about why that is?
_"I'm going to assume you've taken the plunge and decided to buy an Kaby Lake processor"_
haha what, *hell no*!
Your comment was 6 months early... until now the Ryzen 3 wasn't release. How much time should i wait? hell no!
This test will be interesting on AMD Ryzen.
stick with Zed. I'm from us, and it just sounds better, I wish everyone used Zed
Assimilate ;)
But zed sounds like someones name.
You watched too much power rangers as a kid!
Shawn of the dead "Dont say... the Zed word"
everyone already does, its only north America that says zee
2:52 made my day
+Hardware Unboxed Is there a way to quickly and efficiently find out Amazon pricing in Australia including shipping and currency conversion?
Kind regards, someone from the technological backwater otherwise known as Perth, WA
Hardware Unboxed can you do the same testings with the mid range gpus like the rx 480 and gtx 1060 does memory scaling make a difference at theese card levels? i would really love to see that video and your findings.
Nash B
the weaker GPU, the smaller impact. CPU and RAM speed comes in play when your GPU is enough good to make the CPU side as a bottleneck.
LOL $89 for DDR4 3000, that same kit is now $194
Watching this video today is depressing, where that "outrageous" $130 kit is actually a bargain by todays RAM standards. :(
WholeGrainGoldfish yeah it's almost $100 for 8gb
:( yup
Please another video with Coffee Lake!
ipadize out come would be very similar in high refresh rate gaming there can be some gain but in gpu limited double digit fps there is just margin of error
hmm.. a bit of an odd video to be honest. Surely it would of made more sense checking out dual channel vs quad channel (because of Ryzen, 8 cores). Does it have any impact on performance, since the X99 boards are all quads. As you said, I think most people are waiting to see what happens with Ryzen now. Maybe you have already covered this issue? thanks.
I’m confused, why does Ryzen have anything to do with Kaby Lakes memory controller? Also how does testing Intel memory performance tell us anything about Ryzen performance. Finally, quad-channel vs. dual-channel performance on the X99 platform was tested to death over a year ago, quad-channel makes little difference for the most part.
I thought you said in another video that you were check the difference between them (to see if that would impact on performance). I did a quick look on your channel and didnt find a video.
I found it strange you wanted to talk about Kaby lake with regards of memory, since nothing much as changed since the past few generations. I thought this might be a question that comes up because of Ryzen.
Anyway Steve, thanks for replying, keep up the great work.
Since you mentioned Zed and Zee please notice its Gigabytes per second and not Gigabyte's per second
zalman should send this guy all their coolers for review. lol
Maybe You are coming form Sandy Bridge... Damn, I'm coming from Lynnfield :D
Steve, where is the big benchmark video XD ? Its almost mid of January 2017.. You said you'll upload it by this time at max.
This is where I am at this week... instagram.com/p/BPBKRAZBFrL/
Benchmark video is done though. It's mid-Jan in 5 days mate! :)
Ohh Alright xD I really wanted to watch the video before I move to a new place on 15th Jan. Alright, take your time and enjoy XD
2X8gig 2400 is the best deal from G skill at microcenter
i bought the gskill trident z 3200mhz cl16 ddr4.. would i see any big diference if i went with the cl14?
Gandhabba I just ordered the same ram but the RGB version after doing a ton of reasearch. You made a good choice. Nothing to worry about unless your going for world record overclocking with liquid nitrogen or something.
Grizzly Bear great thanks i got the silver black version is so beutifull and is a great match with the z270-e board
When you did the timings did you change all of the timings of the memory or just the cl? I have found changing the command rate from 2t to 1t can make the pc boot faster and lower loading times by a few seconds.
Also alot of auto memory settings n boards will set the trfc way too high meaning changing the primary timings gives little or no improvement.
He did not tweak RAM timings properly and only changed CL.
Hi I know this video is a little older but hoping you can help. I currently have 2 x 16gb Corsair LPX memory modules. Am I better off using all the slots as there is room for 2 more modules ie 4 slots or just sticking to 2 slots?
What is better to get - 4x8gb Quad core memory sticks or 4x8gb Dual Channel memory sticks ?
Would be great to se scaling DDR3L with i5/i7 5X75c - CPUs that have L4.
Is there a vid like this about Ryzen Processor/s yet?
nice
hey Steve, this is an interesting video review, and made me wonder if i shouldve gone for a z170 instead of my gigabyte g1 sniper b7 (b150 chipset), my cpu is a 6700 non k, ram is corsair vengeance led 16gb 2666 cl16 running at 2133, gpu is a 1070 oced to 2050 mhz and 8500 mhz vram, resolution is 2560*1080p, i know that the titan XP will push the cpu at 1080p, my question is, will i get significant performance improvement from upgrading my motherboard to a z170 which will then run my memory at 2666 in battlefield 1? i hope you get what im saying, typing from a tablet is quite cumbersome
or maybe get an i7 7700 and ram will run at 2400mhz without changing the motherboard? im really confused at what to do coz i dont have a lot of money to spend on upgrades.. z170 or 7700..aarghh.. either way, ill have to sell either my cpu or my motherboard
No, imo you would not get a significant improvement by going from 2133 to 2666 MHz memory. Even CPU bound the Titan only gained 2-3% in BF1 at 1080p. Therefore, you would get about the same or less improvement with a 1070 driving slightly more pixels, which would not be worth the cost of a z170 mobo imo for the performance gained. Just save your $ for the next PC or upgrade. Maybe if you got a mobo that would allow you to overclock your non K CPU via base clock you could increase the memory speed at the same time, but even then it still may not be worth it considering the cost to performance ratio.
sweet spot
ddr3 = 1600 cas 8 or 1866 cas 10 ~42$ for 8gb 1x8GbRam
ddr4 = 3000 cas 15 or 2800 cas 15 ~85$ for 16gb 2x4GbRam
Hey should i upgrade my old amd fx 6100? my gpu is the gtx 1050ti? do those two components bottleneck? should i get zen?
Nice vid!
interesting that "z" hurts your brain, "zed" hurts mine, it makes no sense, to make up a whole word for a single letter.
True, but so do B,P,D,T all in one
Hm yes but you said "sounds like" so I used those examples as they sound similar (but not the same) - of course they are pronounced differently.
Okay if you pronounce Z like C then I get it now. So when you say "zebra" you say "see-bra", exactly like 'see'?
I would understand if similarly but exactly the same?
Wow, I never knew memory speed had that much of an impact on gaming, it may be small but None the less I didnt know that!
Luka L Even more if you get even faster GPU and test other games.
Faster GPU? This is Titan XP. But going back: the impact is the greatest when CPU is under pressure, e.g. an i3 6100 in a CPU intensive game or section; then the high frequency RAM can compensate quite considerably for its limited performance. See some vids done last year by Digital Foundry.
Just bought some 3200 MHz memory, but that was before this video. I wish I waited, could have saved around $15. Oh well, to be honest, it doesn't bother me.
Hi I have a issue with my DDR3 ram, I have just got the FM2+ Asus ROG Crossblade Ranger for my A10 7870k, I have 2 sets of ram that I could possibly use with the mobo or so I thought. I have 16gb ( 4x 4gb) of HyperX Fury DDR3 @1866mhz with no XMP profiles so its just PnP, but I also have 16gb (2x 8gb) of corsair Vengeance Pro Series with a xmp profile of 2400mhz and they oc rather well..
When I install all 4 sticks of the HyperX fury @1866 the debug always displays a 32 error code, but if I use just 2 sticks in A2 and B2 Dimm slots it boots up fine but only shows 4gb in Bios when there is 8gb installed and obviously in single channel , and one on its own in A2 Dimm slot wont work at all just error code 32, but my corsair ram works fine with both sticks but wont boot with just one. Is my ram defunked or is the Dimm slot defunked or bios just don't like them I don't know or it could be that this mobo only likes ram that has xmp profiles to boot.
I have updated the Bios to the most recent version. I'm on windows 10 64bit, have no gpu at the moment for this particular build. So to cap off I have 4 sticks that wont work together, one on its own wont boot in any slot, 2 in Dimms A2 and B2 work but only half of ram shows, and 3 sticks don't work in any config. Am I only to use recommended ram for this mobo.
So here's my problem, according to my calculations, ddr4 3400 cas16 is slower than ddr4 2400 cas10. So while the 3400 is out-performing everything here, it is beaten by a significantly lower mhz chip, with a much lower latency. So I am wondering what you have to say about that? Thanks. And wouldn't it be better in principle, to buy ram with the lowest stock latency you can get, and then overclock the frequency? Or am I missing something?
DDR4 isn't that timing sensitive, nor are the CPUs that use it. For example the difference between DDR4-3200 using CL14 and CL20 timings on Ryzen in a CPU intensive game with a seriously high-end GPU is next to nothing...
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if our cpu cannot doesn't support above 2133mhz then how does ddr4 3200 mhz benefits us?
and why cpus didn't support above that?
plz answer;-)
when ram prices weren't gold cost
Can someone explain me into Serial ATA -VS- Molex for powering things like fan and lights
that was the dumbest, yet greatest intro ever.
just waiting to ser APUs benchmarks with this memory
AMD 200 series video?
watching in feb 2018 its like $300. that jenga mem lol
You must use i3 6100 for memory test.
Im buying g3900 or g3930/50 for gaming :)
Correct me if im wrong, but can't you just buy the cheapest 2133mhz ram and overclock it to 3000mhz with a z170/z270 mobo and overclockable cpu? Assuming that you don't care about aesthetics of the ram.
R.T.
Depends but in general yes
Those cheapest 2133mhz ram often have worse heatsinks and dont overclock well, arent that stable with hefty oc, ofc u might get lucky but its not sure 100% thing on every cheap ram stick.
Better pay that silly 5$ more and not worry about anything xD
INTEL HAVE GONE TOO FAR
first of refresh haswell and shrinking Haswell and name it Broadwell rename Broadwell , make it main stream and name it Skylake , Refresh Skylake add some exclusive feature and name it Kaby lake!
and i most hated thing is limit ram speed through chip set
When is Kaby Lake Pentium G4620 2/4 Thread review ? Or G4560 ?
ark.intel.com/products/97143/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4560-3M-Cache-3_50-GHz
is a 8*2 ram 3200mhz ddr4 compatible with an i5 7600k?
I have a i7 6700k and ballistix tactical ddr4 3000
Are you able to run your memory at full speed while your cpu is overclocked?
I have a Corsair 16gb kit at 2400MHz, is it possible to overclock it (I have z170 mobo) and do you recommend it?
Watchmen22 2400 is just fine, you wouldn't notice the difference if you did OC.
i have a h110m msi mobo and i want an i5 7500. keep in mind this is my first build ever and i dont have another cpu to update the bios. does anyone know if i throw the 7500 in will it work or do i have to go with a 6500
Really though, since so many mobos use only ddr4 2133mhz, it will not be much faster if at all than ddr3 running at it's max speed of 2133 mhz ( can reach 2400 mhz when overclocked.)
however I do see that in your benchmarks, you are able to get it to 3600 mhz.
Thelango99
DDR4 2133 is as fast as DDR3 CL9 1600
6St6Jimmy6 Wow, really, then what is the point of DDR4 then, when it won't be that beneficial to use DDR4 over DDR3 anyway?
I am still wondering why tech channels talks about DDR4 like it will be such an amazing upgrade over DDR3 when it's not.
So i have : intel core i7-7700 kaby lake 3.60GHz 3.60GHz
DDR4 8GB Crucial 2166Mhz RAM
and what ram i should use
Kingston HyperX FURY (2x16) 32GB 2666MHz
or
Patriot Viper Steel 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3200MHz
are this good for my PC or i should upgrade ram i want to upgrade but i dont know what to use .You can give me and another RAM card models thx
we are the same proce.. i want also upgrade my ram.. i hope we have answer for this
would a faster ddr4 have a bigger effect on city skylines?
It's quite CPU intensive, so yes, depending on your processor. You will get a proportionately greater improvement if you have an i3 than if you have an i7 processor.
Did Matt quit?
please do a test with ddr3 please
Zed > Zee in the UK bro :P