This was a very insightful and helpful video. These are the kinds of videos that I like to see because I think building can be rather easy but it's the fine tuning after the the build when I find videos like these helpful.
My advice (if you want to save headache like me) is get 2 ram sticks (2 x 48gb) to give you 96gb ram with high speeds and xmp. It's a shame that Intel and the motherboard manufacturers don't address this issue but I stick to 2 ram sticks to avoid all the problems with 4 sticks and xmp.
Good to see more videos coming out on the trials of running 4 dimm kits. For the longest time all I could find out was that xmp only worked on 2dimm. (Which obviously would have swayed my purchase decisions had I know up front). But just recently found another video explaining how to get xmp to work with 4 dimm. The only other difference on that one was to slightly bump the voltage settings to increase stability. Was able to get my 5600 dominator kits to run stable at 5200 on a 12700k and z690 strix board.
So funny coincidence , I'm basically 90% done with building that nearly identical rig and totally had questions about whether or not i should buy another 2 sticks of RAM and how to set them up in the bios, etc.... then I found this helpful video! (Fractal north, I91400K, 2X32 GIG T CREATE, Proart z790, NZXT Kraken, GPU to be ordered next week)
New build and still went with DDR4. 2x16MB CL16 3200Mhz for $52 (pre-black friday 2023).... $20 US for an extra 16GB made the decision to go 32GB easy... Was able to o/c... and create separate o/c profiles in the bios. One for 3600 CL 16 and the other 4100 CL18. Tried CL 14 but no go... The extra ram on intel helps with 1% and 01% lows. Combined it with a $120 refurbished MSI Z790 Wifi MB, went Z790 due to better memory traces on the MB.
Mostly I just wanted to see what I could achieve at different speeds. Some apps like higher speed, while others prefer lower latency. In all reality, mostly I just use this computer to play games @1440p w/7800XT, but it was fun seeing what a $50 pair of cheap rams sticks could do. I use CL16 3600 for day to day, my 12600KF P cores (all core) @5.0 and E cores 4.0. It's all one really needs for gaming. I was originally going to build via AMD 5600 but when I found a really good MSI Z790 refurbished for $120 I switched over to intel. @@Y0_ltr
Yes, never be a fan boy. If you get the right deal, go Intel, and vise a versa. For 2 laptops I tried to go AMD, but my last one is an intel, but my creator PC, that ended up AMD. @@toddwerther188
I have an i9 13900 KS, with 128 GB of RAM at 5,600 mhz. I was getting blue screen on some boots, but then I enabled "Windows fast start up", and I have never gotten another blue screen. It saves the settings, so the RAM doesn't have to "retrain" every boot. Am I going to hard on my RAM? (MSI z790 Carbon motherboard)
@@white_lizard I still didn't like how I had to do a work around, just to make it stable, so I just changed to 5,000 mhz, because I have 4 sticks of 128 GB of RAM. Only time will tell if this fixes it.
Should probably explain abit more about motherboards. From recent experience of buying an Aorus Z790 elite, and thru several crashes and research, I've found out that the motherboard makers these days overoptimise their overclocking profiles and remove certain voltage and power limits when you overclock the CPU and/or RAMs. This causes instability at high clock speeds on both sides and may even end up damagit components. I"ve had to spend several hours reading up on motherboards, cpus and ram and tweaking bios settings in order to find a somewhat stable compromise in the bios settings where i can overclock the CPU(14900kf) and get my RAM (2x32GB at 6000mhz) speed up to 80% of its overclocking potential (any higher and I end up crashing whatever games im playing).
Great video! The bots in the comments section are crazy nowadays. At least make sense of what you said. The comment isn’t applicable to the video… whatsoever.
Thank you for these RAM videos :D I wish this had been released a few weeks ago before I picked up 4x24GB RAM instead of 2x48GB... But despite this, I've managed 6600MHz and XMP timings so it's not bad.
i reused my old ddr4 ram in my new budget workstation and the only thing that matters for rendering is the amount of ram (64gb). This way i saved tons of money for no real speed gain and silly blinking RGB ram.
My advice is: Check every time the motherboard's QLF RAM List. Vendors ask you which OS , which CPU , Which RAM Speed, how RAM capacity and Which RAM vendor you want to use and then present a full list with compatible modules you can use. Is so simple to avoid any issuewith RAM setup.
Where was this video when I knew way less, lol. (Teasing, learned a lot from your vids when I was in the, what's bios group? Teasing, It was the 80's when I didn't know that much, if they had bios then. LOL, but I never tried tweaking a system until late last year. Your interview with JJ was HUGE for me getting a few bits deeper into the "black arts" of memory OC. Maybe I tuned out, but I like to undervolt the memory if it can handle it, but sometimes it needs more voltage to handle more Mhz... not sure if you covered that, have a great one!) It's alright, you were entertaining even if I'm acting like a know it all now. LOL
Hmm, (relatively) faster ram usually impacts performance very little, plus 2 or 4 sticks is not that problem with modern hw/sw as long as you're not pushing it (which again makes little sense), some scenarios even favor more memory ranks. What causes most crashes in my experience is heavy pagefile use, so more RAM is always better.
The best video explaining the problems we all find with 128Gb (4x32Gb sticks). The next questions is, which are the real performance difference between 96Gb at higher speed vs 128Gb at lower speeds. Which one worth it more? One much speed is needed in 96Gb config to see a difference in perfoemance? Thanks!
The "Official support" is 5600. It doesn't mean that the CPU could not possible run it faster. If it does let's say 6400. Then you're lucky you got a nice silicon. If it doesn't then you can't complaint because "officially" only 5600 is supported.
Great topic. Useful tips when running 4 sticks and if they don't. Somewhere I saw that when running ram too much faster than what system can handle like for 7000 series AM5 6000Mhz with CL 30 is fully ok, but going over this the system and ram ratio of performance shifts from 1:1 to 2:1 more towards ram than cpu I don't know what this topic is. Where do find these data like best Mhz + CL combo for each generations of systems. Also Mr Tech Notice I know you mention the effect components in your videos through numbers, percentages. Can you upload small clip showing playbacks, multiple asset load(effects + layers), Max vid quality(resolution) editing such to the point that it starts to lag or something like that ? Like a real world performance scenario for Processors, RAMs, SSDs etc or comparison with one generation below to show the real world improvements. It would be very helpful for all of us 😅. I know its a tall order a small clip would suffice if possible on such new performance uplifting components videos.
Such damn god videos. First came by ur channel now but great kontent and probly one of the best people out there explaing things in a way everybody might understand
The DDR5 data is already gathered by ram overlockers. It is complicated and unfortunately this video only covers a small portion of DDR5 problems. 0) Don't buy the stupid 2x8 GB DDR5 ram kits. Waste of money. 16 GB sticks or higher. 1) Advertised max ddr5 ram speeds in motherboard specs are just BS. They are manual overlocks with best ram and cpu with pathetic level of stability testing. You will never get such speeds unless you know how to overclock ram manualy. You see 8000 Mhz in specs - expect 7000 AT BEST with xmp and 13-14 gen cpu. 2) Never go 4 sticks of ddr5 unless you need it. Do not expect the same speeds, do not expect XMP to work, do not expect anything good. 8 layer PCB motherboard required for 4 sticks. 3) There are 3 generations of Intel motehrboards and they run DDR5 VERY differently. 600 series, 700 series and 14th gen 700 series. The last category are boards like Asrock Z790 Nova\Riptide Wifi or Gigabyte new X series and they can run 7600-7800 stable manual overlock with 2x16\24 sricks or 7200 xmp. I would never buy anything above 6800 xmp for older boards with 13-14 gen. 4) 12th gen CPU run DDR5 worse that 13-14 Gen. Never buy anything above 6400 Mhs for 12th gen CPU oif you are not capable of overclocking your ram manualy. 5) And if you are on team red - the best memory for Ryzen is just 6000 CL30. No need to bother buying enything else.
On Ryzen 7000 I see no performance scaling (except minimum FPS in games) from going DDR5 4800 to 6000. Better timings does improve performance, but what about stability? How can be 100% sure you are using a stable system for working that should not crash? I am more concerned about stability than performance nowadays. EDIT: For granted stability the best bet is using JEDEC specifications. That way your RAM would have a hefty extra margin for working reliably, as doing RAM overclocking is like going to the edge without falling and satay there.
You check if it's stable really quickly using OCCT and a couple other software tools, really easy. You can't be lazy about it and need to put in the work. If i stuck to JDEC standards i would be losing about 10% performance or more.
For guaranteed stability without stress testing, use DDR5-5200 which is Ryzen 7000's default speed. AMD recommends DDR5-6000 as the sweet spot that every system with 2 sticks of RAM and a decent motherboard with an up to date BIOS should be able to hit at this point without any problems. As with any overclock, even at the sweet spot company-recommended speed, you should run a few stress tests to make sure it is stable. Buildzoid usually starts with Geekbench (6 was the latest as of last year when I built my PC and 5 was the previous one but still supported and usable), then a memory specific test such as Y-Cruncher and AIDA 64 Extreme. I used his Zen 4 Hynix RAM timings with manual overclock to 6000 MT/s and tested with Geekbench 6 then AIDA 64 Extreme and Y-Cruncher (Multi-core memory test with 5 billion decimals of Pi and no errors). I also tested with Geekbench 5 just to compare it to my old Geekbench tests with the Ryzen 5 2600 and Ryzen 7 3700X. Once all that is done the next thing to go about your normal routine. RAM overclocks (and CPU overclocks) should not only be stable during benchmarks and games but also when your PC is idle.
The MC isn't the core issue with DDR 5 ram speed support, it's on the motherboard design. The faster the ram the more interference on the socket is picked up creating instability. Technically consumer boards should have 2 sockets not 4 with DDR 5, and if you look up boards that have 2 sockets you will see them run 8000 mhz without issue.
Great series of Videos, subscribed to your channel and great content that I will use going forward, hope you don't mind that you are very kind, explain things easy especially for me being bit of Villager / Dunce and you do remind me that you look like German F1 driver Mick Scumacher
Asus Z790 MoBo´s have 2 XMP profiles, XMP 1 & XMP 2. My 6000Mhz CL30 2x16GB kit worked on both XMP profiles but on XMP 1 profile I notice stuttering in games. When I changed it to XMP 2 profile the stutter disappeared. XMP 1 profile is an Asus tweaked profile and XMP 2 profile is the RAM manufacturer profile. I advise you to go first for the XMP 2 profile.
I posses almost an identical setup. It's definitely the most optimal for gaming at 6,000 CL30 32GB DDR5 (on our specific setups). We could get away with 7,200 CL34 but I have never heard of anyone not having stability issues. I cannot wrap my head around why anyone would try to load a 4 stick ram kit trying to achieve the highest amount of ram without understanding how it affects performance.
Build a machine with a AMD 7700, needed 192Gb and had to be uATX board due to space limitations. So i had no choice in faster ram or better board. I just did buy something that was vendor checked to get a stable system. But indeed if you need less and can do it with only 2 sticks then you can get more speed easy.
You've probably changed it by now, but your cpu cooler seems to be installed on the bottom rather then the top. I wonder if that would cause improper cooling for the cpu?
So I got the Gigabyte Pro X motherboard when it was first released, my first DDR5 board, so I got the Corsair Dominator 2x48 96gb 6600mhz. I had to update the bios to run XMP and it ran great for months. Now I’m getting the BSOD, and if I turn off XMP it doesn’t crash. Therefore I’m thinking the sticks are bad but they both pass tests with windows memory diagnostics and memtest64. I also thought my CPU is degraded but it also passed using Intels Processor Diagnostic Tool (IPDT) Any thoughts? I don’t have any other sticks to test as my others are DDR4
So many boards will set horrible settings when allowed to manage ram as "auto" even though you are hitting higher MHz, latency may even decrease with loose settings! Always good to use CPU-Z to check how your ram is actually running versus the XMP setting options listed in the SPD tab. To calculate RAM latency, multiply the CAS latency by 2000 then divide by the data rate.
There is no such thing like 10k 6k or 3k mhz DRAM. If you have cpu 5gh and ram 5 ghz then there won't be any delays to get to the memory like in old days when cas, or cl if you like, was 0 because both ram and cpu had the same mhz speed, but nowadays there is lots of delays because ram mhz won't much cpu mhz.
Careful..even if ur motherboard allows 4 sticks of ram...on ddr5 you can use max 2 sticks..otherwise you won't be able to activate xmp..thats how ddr5 works..i have 14900k with 2×48 6800 t create expert..and it works great ( did some tweaking in bios for undervolting)
I have a i5 14600KF and an MSI Z790-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI, and I just selected similar XMP profile like you, with 2x16GB 6.000Mhz and CL32 and working without any problem.
11:20 Does the ASUS motherboards that bad? On my ASRock motherboard if the RAM changes does not work it just automatically resets bios settings and put a warning which then loads bios. The same was with MSI motherboard
I don't bother with the CMOS on my Asus board, if you press reset 3 or 4 times it will start with default settings to let you change it and if that doesn't work turning it off and on a couple of times brings it back to a default state. My CMOS jumper is hidden by my GPU's heatsink so it's handy to know this.
Hello Sir, I have two questions for you: I would like to know whether to put in a mobo that has a DDR5 6000mhz RAM limit, inserting a pair of 7200mhz RAM and setting it for example to 5800 with the XMP profile from the BIOS; this Motherboard is about to start. I definitely have to set the Timings different from the default ones. Or would you boot the operating system in SPD and that's it? Second question: in an Asus B660M motherboard prepared with DDR5 RAM and with Intel 12th gen. CPU, Can it work with a pair of Cas type RAMs with 30cl latency? Or the Timing must be reset if bios doesn't detect them? Not all brands should work, even Non-QVL. Those who can try various types of kits know this. I hope you answer me. Advice? Thanks and have a good day
I am lucky, after buying 4x16gb 6ghz sticks, my motherboard and CPU taking it like champs and going with 6ghz with no issues or crashes. Well, at least for now... I didn't even know 4 dimms are not a good idea. Glad I got suggested this video!
I have a question. I have the msi z790 gaming plus wifi that supports up to 7200mhz ram. I have the 7200mhz corsair dominator but the xmp boosts it to 7400mhz while my motherboard supporte 7200mhz ? Is this ok?
I accidentally bought a 7600 mhz set of ram for my MSI z790 and 13900k, when I xmp them I get blue screen, when I manually set the ram to 7000mhz no more blue screen, but I didn't change the timings or voltage when I did this but bios shows it running at 7000mhz, my question is am I still getting more performance than my old 5600mhz set that was running xmp?
I have an 8600g and probably only enable xmp when playing heavy games. Does the processor and mother suffer more if I activate and deactivate xmp often or would it suffer more if I leave it activated all the time?
If your motherboard vrms/mosfets aren't overheating (no AM5 should be with an 8600G imho) then turning it off isn't necessary. I'd keep it on unless you are getting a lot of crashes with it on.
Fantastic explainer and great video! Good stuff. Personally, I've built my own PCs and have gone through 4 generations of CPUs/Memory with DDR4->5->6 and have never been able to just click apply XMP and it works. I always have to configure it myself and lower the RAM speed by 200-400 mhz to get it stable, but it's fine because it's less than a 1% performance difference. If you want the smoothest editing experience: proxy your clips. You'll be able to edit FAST even on 10 year old hardware. I'm always stunned when video editors tell me they don't bother to proxy.
yes but even with proxies, if you use a lot of sound design, VFX and titles it will struggle with a 10 year old computer. But yeah for basic edits you'll be fine ;)
on my new amd ryzen 9 9900x and ram 6000 64gb 2x . i was having 4800 speed . i did what you said and now i am running 5600 just fine . wow .. wish many people know about this and save some money
Interesting information. I just upgraded my memory to four sticks of CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 RAM 64GB (4x16GB) 5600MHz CL36 Intel XMP . I searched the ASUS support page to find a compatible memory kit with four sticks to run in my ASUS ROG Strix Z-690 E Wi-Fi motherboard. I have an updated BIOS to support the i9 13900K CPU I recently got. The system reports it's running at the advertised speed and there really have been no hiccups. I kind of held my breath at start-up but it booted right into Windows the first time and I have run a few stressor benchmarks with no issues. It helps to consult your motherboard support page to find compatible RAM but maybe I also got lucky.
I'm planning an upgrade to a z890 mb and it will support up to 9000MT, but the highest I can find on Amazon is 8000 (DDR5). I've noticed that the latency is much higher with these sticks, does it matter anymore? Is the highest you can find always the best idea? I've also noticed that many are only available is 32GB size making a pair 48GB. Why the unusual configuration? Planning intel 285k cpu. Thanks for the assist.
Hi, I have a question about which motherboard is better for my brother. (Unfortunately, he does have a budget limit) My brother is a video editor like you, and he wants to buy a new PC for himself. He wants to get the Asus ProArt B760 WIFI DDR5 with an i5 13400. But my question is, which motherboard do you suggest for him: 1. PROART B760 Wi-Fi DDR5 2. Prime Z790-P Wi-Fi DDR5 Which one offers greater reliability for the future and more potential for future upgrades?
Hi, but my question is: how can I know that the ram speed I'm setting is better than the one that the bios says is better in default? There is a software where I can test default and expo and how to read to understand if I am having a better result for real? Thanks, and finally a great video explanation of what we are doing
Your looking for latency 6000mhz cl30 has a ram latency of 10ns 6000mhz cl28 has a ram latency of 9.33ns latency says the second is better due to lower ns AIDA64 has ram benchmarks which gives you a lot of information but they have significant variables, you can get wide swings just at random. That said lower latency is best when it comes to ram, 2500mhz cl10 has a ram latency of 8ns and it would beat 6000mhz cl28 just due to the latency alone even tho 2500mhz cl10 would be DDR3 speeds (though those times are not possible) but my point is speed matters as much as ram latency. CAS latency is not ram latency however ram speed plus CAS determines ram latency.
I build a system with one stick of DDR5 32gb ram on 5600mts with timings of cl36-38-38. friends gifted me second stick of 32gb 5600mts ram but have different timings of cl40-40-40. because of different timings i can't overclock ram more than 5200mts (or it becames unstable), and also if i undervolt my cpu(13900k), it will became unstable. i don't understand which ram timings are better, and what timings should i aim for future ram upgrade? (meaning adding 2more sticks of 32gb)
Smaller number = betterer timings. Every 200mhz of speed increase is proportional to 1 'ticks' on the timings. eg. 3000CL15 and has the same latency as 3200CL16. 3200CL14 has a FASTER latency than 3600CL18 (however 3600mhz has a faster raw bandwidth). Choosing lower latency or higher bandwidth RAM is very application specific.
Thanks for another great video - will observe / absorb this info before building my M2 I7 G14 Machine - especially on XMP on/off and selecting appropriate / Max stable Memory speed. I7 G14 Up to 5600 Mhz Native but my motherboard can address more / less depending on ram used and how many memory channels I used up. For me will use 2 x 32 Gb one per channel, = 64 Gb
Getting 128gb of ram to work was pretty much impossible. 2 years ago I built a new computer for a graphic design shop. My 3rd one for them at the time. They said they wanted to best of the best this time around. I used a ryzen 5950x (best at the time) and a gigabyte 3080 oc with 128gb of ram. It took a lot of research to even find ram that was “comparable”. The good thing is that the ram capacity was far more important than its speed. In the end. I had to run the 4 sticks of 32gb ram at bone stock speeds. It worked out very well in the end. This shop does a lot of multitasking with high end graphic software and they use many programs loaded up at the same time. Peeking at the computer from time to time, I could see that they were regularly using well over the 64gb of ram that most high end computers would be built with. They also told me that rendering was getting finished up to 4 times faster than the computer with 64gb of ram.
Tech Notice, I have seen everywhere people saying that you should only run 2 sticks because quad channel is a thing of the past and you can hurt the performance of your ram by adding another kit of ram into your pc, utilizing all of your slots? It's also been stated more over that using 2 kits can cause instability (i had wondered if tinkering meant you could bypass this instability of 2 "same" but not same kits installed into your pc. You may go over this point in your video). I do video and design work and i'd love a 2nd kit in my PC but these statements always stopped me from getting another kit. What do you say to this? (I'll continue watching and if you address them/answer them and I understand, i'll delete this comment)
Hmmmmmmmmm. I'd still like to know why you think it's still OKAY to run more than 2 sticks, like what use cases. Clearly you're doing it and it's "creator" based but you would thing if there's issues doing it that creators wouldn't want to risk having a worse time "creating" on their system and therefore avoid 4 sticks anyway. Also still curious what you think when people (and manufacturers) state that two kits of the same model is a bad idea. You've clearly done it, what are your thoughts?
2 questions: 1-On a z790 mobo with a 13700k or 13900k can you run 2 (2x32g) kits of ram for a total of 128gb? On older gen mobos companies like Corsair said you couldn't. You had to get 1 (4x32gb) kit. 2-Will premiere pro and davinci benefit from a raise of ram from 128gb to 192gb? Is it worth the Xtra $ if you can afford it or is it overkill.
great vid as always! personally i use i9 13900 non k ver. along with kingston fury beast ddr5 5600 mhz running at stock 4800mhz and gigabyte b760 gaming x mobo. xmp always have a risk for blue screen or black screen, for stability i dont even set it. For gaming it is fine, but when you work on large files like me and you cpu and ram do alot work long time (for me like 3 to 5 hours workload on single project) its just not worth the effort. About timings and voltage dont even touch it, its relic of the past and you will loose more time and nerve setuping than profit and performance. Thanks again for great vid. Please do vid about multiple gpu for projects on one platform.
QVL is a nice guide to know what RAM kits have been tested at certain speeds AND work with that motherboard. Non-QVL kits might work but it's not guaranteed and you may be stuck with slower RAM than you anticipated. I have an Asus B650E-F Gaming Wifi and I chose a QVL compatible DDR5-5600 32GB kit with Hynix M-die so I could easily overclock it to 6000MT/s for my Ryzen 7 7700X (and possibly faster speeds when the BIOS updates are available). Hynix has the fastest and most stable DDR5 (they were the first to release DDR5 RAM too) so I knew I needed their M-die when faster RAM speeds are made available to motherboards later into the AM5 cycle and for when I upgrade my CPU to Zen 5 or 6. If you watch Buildzoid of Actually Hardcore Overclocking, he stability tests motherboards, CPUs, and RAM and he tested my current MB with a 7950X months before I bought it so I knew it could handle a high end CPU when I buy one in the future. Have you bought your motherboard yet and what kit are looking to buy?
@@vigilant_1934 I have x570 creative WiFi board 5900x and currently I have two sticks of Gskill ripjaw 3600 ddr 32gb ram So when I want to upgrade to 128 should sell them and buy a new one (without checking) or there is some way to check if these will be compatible in 128gb usage ?
No wonder my Ryzen 5 2600 crash from time to time i thought my PSU(520w bronze) pair with RX 480 can't keep up that time i was running the RAM at 3200MHz when it should be only at 2933MHz. Now my PC doesnt crash anymore i upgraded to Ryzen 7 5700X3D where it max out at 3200MHz and RX 6600 running smoothly now i did'nt experience the sudden crash/black screen before so it pretty much confirm that's the case. I have a Asus ROG Strix X370-F Motherboard which support 64GB at 3200MHz, was planning to get 2x16GB of 3200MHz and later on will get another set of RAM to 4x16GB 3200MHz am i expecting too much that the motherboard will handle this specs or will it have a set of other problem?
I'm waiting for someone like you to do some speed tests for code development. Everyone does gaming and creating. I want the most killer system I can afford to compile c# in visual studio community for windows development. So much so, I don't even want to add discrete graphics because I spent all my money on CPU, motherboard, and ram.
If you have enough Ram overall, increasing a DDR5 kit from 4800Mhz to the XMP/EXPO profile 6000 speed will not create a noticeable difference in gaming workloads.
I wish I had know this before. However I bought DDR 4 ram and I don't think they had high capacity sticks at that time. Side note, can one put DDR 4 ram in a newer machine? Would it run the ram faster without compromising the stability?
Hi, how are you? I have question please. I saw that the 2x48gb sticks are only most of all XMP Intel. I have a Ryzen 7900 is it possible to use them on Ryzen 7900? or must i buy a EXPO compatible ones? Or this thing on RAM about XMP and EXPO are just marketing and royalties thing? Thank you. :) Very nice content.
If you are willing to do some manual set up, it will probably work. I have an AMD CPU and I use it with 'Intel XMP' DDR4 ram at a faster speed than it said on the box. If you want one-click no worries easy peasy set up though, you should just get a kit with AMD EXPO.
1. Windows 11 with 4 banks of 16GB each will use only 32GB most of the time. 2. 64GB assures that there is free memory available which does help. 3. The memory controller will only feel stressed if it's maximum speed and voltage are exceeded. 4. Faster memory uses less voltage and provides more bandwidth.
I can run my 13700k with 6800mhz + gtx 1060. As soon as i plug in a new gpu (rx 7900 xtx) i get black screens. I assume it's not due to ram if it worked with a different gpu right?
I had a weird thing happen on a PC I just built. Its an MSI Z790, i5 12600k, 32GB DDR5 T Force Delta 6400mhz 16x2, RTX 4070. I set the XMP to what I now know is the wrong speed, I had it set to 6000mhz, but never had any kind of problem at all. No crashes, no failures to post, nothing out of the ordinary. I went into the MSI Center app to overclock through the MSI Creator APP and not through the BIOS. I can see the specs of each individual RAM stick. 1 was running at the proper 6000mhz, the second, according to MSI Creator, was running at 200 mhz. I went into the BIOS and set the XMP to the proper 6400mhz and turned on RAM performance mode. Now Creator says both sticks are running at the proper 6400mhz. IDK what that was about?? I had benchmarked it before changing the XMP, but didn't record the scores, so I cant really tell if one stick was actually running at 200mhz, or if something was just bugged in the MSI overclocking software, I do know how many FPS I was getting in some games I play, I can ck to see if that has improved. I thought 2 mismatched RAM sticks would run at the rated speed of the slowest stick, in which case both my RAM sticks would have been running at 200mhz, which does not seem to be the case. When I did benchmark the system the ranking of the score was right where I would have expected it to be, say a bit slower than a 13th gen i5. Very odd. The ASUS BIOS looks so much nicer than the MSI BIOS. I'm sure most of the options are the same, just looking at yours the options are presented in a much clearer fashion. On MSI BIOS you really have to dig through the settings to find anything.
192 GB man,... What are you doing with such a monster PC? My best guess is that you also have 2x NVIDIA 4900 RTX and a i9 14k or latest KS proccesor! It's overkill for gaming so I guess you do video editing 😊.
@@CountPorcula yeah my last computer was for 4K editing... I was hoping to be able to edit 8K no problem but it does have a 4090 I literally just got it last month because micro center offered me a return on all my computer parts and a 10% discount if I bought a GPU.
i have the same memory Ram pair with the Ryzen 7800X3D AND GIGABYTE X670 AORUS Motherboard the Ram was running at MHz 4800 I was about to return these rams when i found your video thanks to you my Rams is running at MHz6000.
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Thank you! I found this video to be very informative, clear, and easy to follow.
You're very welcome!
My PC is not crashing, it's crushing!
Lucky you! ;)
@@theTechNotice buying too much ram since 1999 and it’s always paid off
This was a very insightful and helpful video. These are the kinds of videos that I like to see because I think building can be rather easy but it's the fine tuning after the the build when I find videos like these helpful.
My advice (if you want to save headache like me) is get 2 ram sticks (2 x 48gb) to give you 96gb ram with high speeds and xmp. It's a shame that Intel and the motherboard manufacturers don't address this issue but I stick to 2 ram sticks to avoid all the problems with 4 sticks and xmp.
Thanks for INFO and to OP as well; something that me being a newbie / builder didn't take much thought of to be honest.
This is what I have as well, did you get single or dual rank?
Good to see more videos coming out on the trials of running 4 dimm kits. For the longest time all I could find out was that xmp only worked on 2dimm. (Which obviously would have swayed my purchase decisions had I know up front). But just recently found another video explaining how to get xmp to work with 4 dimm. The only other difference on that one was to slightly bump the voltage settings to increase stability. Was able to get my 5600 dominator kits to run stable at 5200 on a 12700k and z690 strix board.
So funny coincidence , I'm basically 90% done with building that nearly identical rig and totally had questions about whether or not i should buy another 2 sticks of RAM and how to set them up in the bios, etc.... then I found this helpful video! (Fractal north, I91400K, 2X32 GIG T CREATE, Proart z790, NZXT Kraken, GPU to be ordered next week)
90% same as me. GPU ordering later aswell
Don't buy "another 2 sticks". Only run 2 in dual channel and buy those 2 together in a dual channel pack.
Dont even buy them. x2 is enough. DDR5 is sensitive on the memory channels
New build and still went with DDR4. 2x16MB CL16 3200Mhz for $52 (pre-black friday 2023).... $20 US for an extra 16GB made the decision to go 32GB easy... Was able to o/c... and create separate o/c profiles in the bios. One for 3600 CL 16 and the other 4100 CL18. Tried CL 14 but no go... The extra ram on intel helps with 1% and 01% lows. Combined it with a $120 refurbished MSI Z790 Wifi MB, went Z790 due to better memory traces on the MB.
The beautiful clickyclack of delete mashing ❤
@toddwerther188 what are the advantages of having different o/c profiles? 🤔
Mostly I just wanted to see what I could achieve at different speeds. Some apps like higher speed, while others prefer lower latency. In all reality, mostly I just use this computer to play games @1440p w/7800XT, but it was fun seeing what a $50 pair of cheap rams sticks could do. I use CL16 3600 for day to day, my 12600KF P cores (all core) @5.0 and E cores 4.0. It's all one really needs for gaming. I was originally going to build via AMD 5600 but when I found a really good MSI Z790 refurbished for $120 I switched over to intel. @@Y0_ltr
Yes, never be a fan boy. If you get the right deal, go Intel, and vise a versa. For 2 laptops I tried to go AMD, but my last one is an intel, but my creator PC, that ended up AMD. @@toddwerther188
Also consider some MBs have lower overall ram limits, for instance having a limit of 128gb as opposed to 192 gb. Or even 96 as opposed to 128.
Any board with 4 slots can run 192 GB with updated bios. Any.
what a time to be alive. great content, bro
Running 2x48GB Corsair 6400 CL32 on a B660-I strix board feels so good. Crazy to think we can have 96gb high speed ram on a 2-ram slot B660 board
The thought alone makes me so hard.
@@funbucket09you meant to say think so hard..right..
@@Shake_Well_Before_Use sure why not :)
I have an i9 13900 KS, with 128 GB of RAM at 5,600 mhz. I was getting blue screen on some boots, but then I enabled "Windows fast start up", and I have never gotten another blue screen. It saves the settings, so the RAM doesn't have to "retrain" every boot.
Am I going to hard on my RAM? (MSI z790 Carbon motherboard)
Nice! Haven't tried this method yet!
@@white_lizard I still didn't like how I had to do a work around, just to make it stable, so I just changed to 5,000 mhz, because I have 4 sticks of 128 GB of RAM. Only time will tell if this fixes it.
@4 × 32 GB modules u mean right? Wait are there 128 GB consumer grade modules ?chrispridemore5562
Should probably explain abit more about motherboards. From recent experience of buying an Aorus Z790 elite, and thru several crashes and research, I've found out that the motherboard makers these days overoptimise their overclocking profiles and remove certain voltage and power limits when you overclock the CPU and/or RAMs. This causes instability at high clock speeds on both sides and may even end up damagit components.
I"ve had to spend several hours reading up on motherboards, cpus and ram and tweaking bios settings in order to find a somewhat stable compromise in the bios settings where i can overclock the CPU(14900kf) and get my RAM (2x32GB at 6000mhz) speed up to 80% of its overclocking potential (any higher and I end up crashing whatever games im playing).
What did u clock ur cpu @‘? I’m interested 👀
This is the best tech channel by a wide margin. He has improved my life immensely with his help.
Great video!
The bots in the comments section are crazy nowadays. At least make sense of what you said. The comment isn’t applicable to the video… whatsoever.
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Thank you for these RAM videos :D I wish this had been released a few weeks ago before I picked up 4x24GB RAM instead of 2x48GB... But despite this, I've managed 6600MHz and XMP timings so it's not bad.
for me you are making the most pleasing videos for pc tech i know
Another useful video.
Thank you my friend.
I've tried a ton of ram on my 9800x3d and X870 MB. 7200MT 2x16 Gskill running at 6200 has been by far the most stable and best performance
Lauri, please ban that bot.
It's gone now, right?
@@theTechNotice Alhamdulillah, yes
@@theTechNoticewhich graphics card is good for video editing 4060 or 6750 GRE....???
There's no such thing as 6750 gre@@kindhuman4198
@@kindhuman41984060 💀💀💀 bro did you even does 3sec of research
i reused my old ddr4 ram in my new budget workstation and the only thing that matters for rendering is the amount of ram (64gb). This way i saved tons of money for no real speed gain and silly blinking RGB ram.
My advice is: Check every time the motherboard's QLF RAM List. Vendors ask you which OS , which CPU , Which RAM Speed, how RAM capacity and Which RAM vendor you want to use and then present a full list with compatible modules you can use.
Is so simple to avoid any issuewith RAM setup.
Thanks dude! Worked the first time.
Where was this video when I knew way less, lol. (Teasing, learned a lot from your vids when I was in the, what's bios group? Teasing, It was the 80's when I didn't know that much, if they had bios then. LOL, but I never tried tweaking a system until late last year. Your interview with JJ was HUGE for me getting a few bits deeper into the "black arts" of memory OC. Maybe I tuned out, but I like to undervolt the memory if it can handle it, but sometimes it needs more voltage to handle more Mhz... not sure if you covered that, have a great one!)
It's alright, you were entertaining even if I'm acting like a know it all now. LOL
Hmm, (relatively) faster ram usually impacts performance very little, plus 2 or 4 sticks is not that problem with modern hw/sw as long as you're not pushing it (which again makes little sense), some scenarios even favor more memory ranks.
What causes most crashes in my experience is heavy pagefile use, so more RAM is always better.
The best video explaining the problems we all find with 128Gb (4x32Gb sticks).
The next questions is, which are the real performance difference between 96Gb at higher speed vs 128Gb at lower speeds.
Which one worth it more? One much speed is needed in 96Gb config to see a difference in perfoemance?
Thanks!
cpu max support is 5600 and there why option of 6000? i dont understand?
The "Official support" is 5600. It doesn't mean that the CPU could not possible run it faster. If it does let's say 6400. Then you're lucky you got a nice silicon. If it doesn't then you can't complaint because "officially" only 5600 is supported.
Great topic. Useful tips when running 4 sticks and if they don't.
Somewhere I saw that when running ram too much faster than what system can handle like for 7000 series AM5 6000Mhz with CL 30 is fully ok, but going over this the system and ram ratio of performance shifts from 1:1 to 2:1 more towards ram than cpu I don't know what this topic is. Where do find these data like best Mhz + CL combo for each generations of systems.
Also Mr Tech Notice I know you mention the effect components in your videos through numbers, percentages.
Can you upload small clip showing playbacks, multiple asset load(effects + layers), Max vid quality(resolution) editing such to the point that it starts to lag or something like that ? Like a real world performance scenario for Processors, RAMs, SSDs etc or comparison with one generation below to show the real world improvements. It would be very helpful for all of us 😅. I know its a tall order a small clip would suffice if possible on such new performance uplifting components videos.
Good job explaining such a complex concept in such a short time duder
Such damn god videos. First came by ur channel now but great kontent and probly one of the best people out there explaing things in a way everybody might understand
god level!
Dear Lauri, what would you recommend for creators, 96gb with 2 48gb sticks and 6000mts or 192gb 4 sticks of 48gb but 5600mts?
Thanks
Neither might work. Especially 192gb of 5600, most likely 4800 and 5000max ;)
Please recommend what's the max and best DDR5 to get for photo/video creator. CPU 14900k, Proart Z790.
The DDR5 data is already gathered by ram overlockers. It is complicated and unfortunately this video only covers a small portion of DDR5 problems.
0) Don't buy the stupid 2x8 GB DDR5 ram kits. Waste of money. 16 GB sticks or higher.
1) Advertised max ddr5 ram speeds in motherboard specs are just BS. They are manual overlocks with best ram and cpu with pathetic level of stability testing. You will never get such speeds unless you know how to overclock ram manualy. You see 8000 Mhz in specs - expect 7000 AT BEST with xmp and 13-14 gen cpu.
2) Never go 4 sticks of ddr5 unless you need it. Do not expect the same speeds, do not expect XMP to work, do not expect anything good. 8 layer PCB motherboard required for 4 sticks.
3) There are 3 generations of Intel motehrboards and they run DDR5 VERY differently. 600 series, 700 series and 14th gen 700 series. The last category are boards like Asrock Z790 Nova\Riptide Wifi or Gigabyte new X series and they can run 7600-7800 stable manual overlock with 2x16\24 sricks or 7200 xmp. I would never buy anything above 6800 xmp for older boards with 13-14 gen.
4) 12th gen CPU run DDR5 worse that 13-14 Gen. Never buy anything above 6400 Mhs for 12th gen CPU oif you are not capable of overclocking your ram manualy.
5) And if you are on team red - the best memory for Ryzen is just 6000 CL30. No need to bother buying enything else.
On Ryzen 7000 I see no performance scaling (except minimum FPS in games) from going DDR5 4800 to 6000.
Better timings does improve performance, but what about stability? How can be 100% sure you are using a stable system for working that should not crash?
I am more concerned about stability than performance nowadays.
EDIT: For granted stability the best bet is using JEDEC specifications. That way your RAM would have a hefty extra margin for working reliably, as doing RAM overclocking is like going to the edge without falling and satay there.
You check if it's stable really quickly using OCCT and a couple other software tools, really easy. You can't be lazy about it and need to put in the work. If i stuck to JDEC standards i would be losing about 10% performance or more.
@@SpectrophiaExactly JEDEC is like 4800 MT/s. Ryzen still likes fast RAM to this day.
For guaranteed stability without stress testing, use DDR5-5200 which is Ryzen 7000's default speed. AMD recommends DDR5-6000 as the sweet spot that every system with 2 sticks of RAM and a decent motherboard with an up to date BIOS should be able to hit at this point without any problems. As with any overclock, even at the sweet spot company-recommended speed, you should run a few stress tests to make sure it is stable.
Buildzoid usually starts with Geekbench (6 was the latest as of last year when I built my PC and 5 was the previous one but still supported and usable), then a memory specific test such as Y-Cruncher and AIDA 64 Extreme. I used his Zen 4 Hynix RAM timings with manual overclock to 6000 MT/s and tested with Geekbench 6 then AIDA 64 Extreme and Y-Cruncher (Multi-core memory test with 5 billion decimals of Pi and no errors). I also tested with Geekbench 5 just to compare it to my old Geekbench tests with the Ryzen 5 2600 and Ryzen 7 3700X. Once all that is done the next thing to go about your normal routine. RAM overclocks (and CPU overclocks) should not only be stable during benchmarks and games but also when your PC is idle.
Excellent video💯
This video is amazing and very detailed. I have a gigabyte z690 board and was able to follow along
The MC isn't the core issue with DDR 5 ram speed support, it's on the motherboard design. The faster the ram the more interference on the socket is picked up creating instability. Technically consumer boards should have 2 sockets not 4 with DDR 5, and if you look up boards that have 2 sockets you will see them run 8000 mhz without issue.
dude it worked on my first try, thank you
Thank you for this info man!!
Great series of Videos, subscribed to your channel and great content that I will use going forward, hope you don't mind that you are very kind, explain things easy especially for me being bit of Villager / Dunce and you do remind me that you look like German F1 driver Mick Scumacher
Asus Z790 MoBo´s have 2 XMP profiles, XMP 1 & XMP 2. My 6000Mhz CL30 2x16GB kit worked on both XMP profiles but on XMP 1 profile I notice stuttering in games. When I changed it to XMP 2 profile the stutter disappeared. XMP 1 profile is an Asus tweaked profile and XMP 2 profile is the RAM manufacturer profile. I advise you to go first for the XMP 2 profile.
I posses almost an identical setup. It's definitely the most optimal for gaming at 6,000 CL30 32GB DDR5 (on our specific setups). We could get away with 7,200 CL34 but I have never heard of anyone not having stability issues. I cannot wrap my head around why anyone would try to load a 4 stick ram kit trying to achieve the highest amount of ram without understanding how it affects performance.
Build a machine with a AMD 7700, needed 192Gb and had to be uATX board due to space limitations. So i had no choice in faster ram or better board. I just did buy something that was vendor checked to get a stable system. But indeed if you need less and can do it with only 2 sticks then you can get more speed easy.
You've probably changed it by now, but your cpu cooler seems to be installed on the bottom rather then the top. I wonder if that would cause improper cooling for the cpu?
So I got the Gigabyte Pro X motherboard when it was first released, my first DDR5 board, so I got the Corsair Dominator 2x48 96gb 6600mhz. I had to update the bios to run XMP and it ran great for months. Now I’m getting the BSOD, and if I turn off XMP it doesn’t crash. Therefore I’m thinking the sticks are bad but they both pass tests with windows memory diagnostics and memtest64. I also thought my CPU is degraded but it also passed using Intels Processor Diagnostic Tool (IPDT)
Any thoughts? I don’t have any other sticks to test as my others are DDR4
Clear and easy to understand. Thank you!
You are welcome!
The gold & black makes this entire build look like a luxury object. Then the white & colorful keyboard looks way out of place
Yeah, the PC looks absolutely amazing!
So many boards will set horrible settings when allowed to manage ram as "auto" even though you are hitting higher MHz, latency may even decrease with loose settings! Always good to use CPU-Z to check how your ram is actually running versus the XMP setting options listed in the SPD tab. To calculate RAM latency, multiply the CAS latency by 2000 then divide by the data rate.
There is no such thing like 10k 6k or 3k mhz DRAM. If you have cpu 5gh and ram 5 ghz then there won't be any delays to get to the memory like in old days when cas, or cl if you like, was 0 because both ram and cpu had the same mhz speed, but nowadays there is lots of delays because ram mhz won't much cpu mhz.
Has anyone tried out 14900k with 2 set of t-create expert 48x2 6800, which is total of 192gb, on ASUS Proart z790?
Careful..even if ur motherboard allows 4 sticks of ram...on ddr5 you can use max 2 sticks..otherwise you won't be able to activate xmp..thats how ddr5 works..i have 14900k with 2×48 6800 t create expert..and it works great ( did some tweaking in bios for undervolting)
I have a i5 14600KF and an MSI Z790-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI, and I just selected similar XMP profile like you, with 2x16GB 6.000Mhz and CL32 and working without any problem.
11:20 Does the ASUS motherboards that bad? On my ASRock motherboard if the RAM changes does not work it just automatically resets bios settings and put a warning which then loads bios. The same was with MSI motherboard
I don't bother with the CMOS on my Asus board, if you press reset 3 or 4 times it will start with default settings to let you change it and if that doesn't work turning it off and on a couple of times brings it back to a default state. My CMOS jumper is hidden by my GPU's heatsink so it's handy to know this.
Hello Sir, I have two questions for you: I would like to know whether to put in a mobo that has a DDR5 6000mhz RAM limit, inserting a pair of 7200mhz RAM and setting it for example to 5800 with the XMP profile from the BIOS; this Motherboard is about to start. I definitely have to set the Timings different from the default ones. Or would you boot the operating system in SPD and that's it? Second question: in an Asus B660M motherboard prepared with DDR5 RAM and with Intel 12th gen. CPU, Can it work with a pair of Cas type RAMs with 30cl latency? Or the Timing must be reset if bios doesn't detect them? Not all brands should work, even Non-QVL. Those who can try various types of kits know this. I hope you answer me. Advice? Thanks and have a good day
I am lucky, after buying 4x16gb 6ghz sticks, my motherboard and CPU taking it like champs and going with 6ghz with no issues or crashes. Well, at least for now...
I didn't even know 4 dimms are not a good idea. Glad I got suggested this video!
I have a question. I have the msi z790 gaming plus wifi that supports up to 7200mhz ram. I have the 7200mhz corsair dominator but the xmp boosts it to 7400mhz while my motherboard supporte 7200mhz ? Is this ok?
I accidentally bought a 7600 mhz set of ram for my MSI z790 and 13900k, when I xmp them I get blue screen, when I manually set the ram to 7000mhz no more blue screen, but I didn't change the timings or voltage when I did this but bios shows it running at 7000mhz, my question is am I still getting more performance than my old 5600mhz set that was running xmp?
I have an 8600g and probably only enable xmp when playing heavy games. Does the processor and mother suffer more if I activate and deactivate xmp often or would it suffer more if I leave it activated all the time?
Just leave it on mate, its not gonna do any harm. Its meant to be left on at all times.
If your motherboard vrms/mosfets aren't overheating (no AM5 should be with an 8600G imho) then turning it off isn't necessary. I'd keep it on unless you are getting a lot of crashes with it on.
Fantastic explainer and great video! Good stuff.
Personally, I've built my own PCs and have gone through 4 generations of CPUs/Memory with DDR4->5->6 and have never been able to just click apply XMP and it works. I always have to configure it myself and lower the RAM speed by 200-400 mhz to get it stable, but it's fine because it's less than a 1% performance difference.
If you want the smoothest editing experience: proxy your clips. You'll be able to edit FAST even on 10 year old hardware. I'm always stunned when video editors tell me they don't bother to proxy.
yes but even with proxies, if you use a lot of sound design, VFX and titles it will struggle with a 10 year old computer. But yeah for basic edits you'll be fine ;)
Thank you sir, very helpful. I have the Strix Z790.
on my new amd ryzen 9 9900x and ram 6000 64gb 2x . i was having 4800 speed . i did what you said and now i am running 5600 just fine . wow .. wish many people know about this and save some money
Even xmp has problems always validate your ram with something like karhu
Interesting information. I just upgraded my memory to four sticks of CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 RAM 64GB (4x16GB) 5600MHz CL36 Intel XMP . I searched the ASUS support page to find a compatible memory kit with four sticks to run in my ASUS ROG Strix Z-690 E Wi-Fi motherboard. I have an updated BIOS to support the i9 13900K CPU I recently got. The system reports it's running at the advertised speed and there really have been no hiccups. I kind of held my breath at start-up but it booted right into Windows the first time and I have run a few stressor benchmarks with no issues. It helps to consult your motherboard support page to find compatible RAM but maybe I also got lucky.
I'm planning an upgrade to a z890 mb and it will support up to 9000MT, but the highest I can find on Amazon is 8000 (DDR5). I've noticed that the latency is much higher with these sticks, does it matter anymore? Is the highest you can find always the best idea? I've also noticed that many are only available is 32GB size making a pair 48GB. Why the unusual configuration? Planning intel 285k cpu. Thanks for the assist.
What are those extension cables? Going for a similar aesthetic
Hi, I have a question about which motherboard is better for my brother. (Unfortunately, he does have a budget limit)
My brother is a video editor like you, and he wants to buy a new PC for himself.
He wants to get the Asus ProArt B760 WIFI DDR5 with an i5 13400.
But my question is, which motherboard do you suggest for him:
1. PROART B760 Wi-Fi DDR5
2. Prime Z790-P Wi-Fi DDR5
Which one offers greater reliability for the future and more potential for future upgrades?
Hi, but my question is: how can I know that the ram speed I'm setting is better than the one that the bios says is better in default? There is a software where I can test default and expo and how to read to understand if I am having a better result for real? Thanks, and finally a great video explanation of what we are doing
Your looking for latency
6000mhz cl30 has a ram latency of 10ns
6000mhz cl28 has a ram latency of 9.33ns
latency says the second is better due to lower ns
AIDA64 has ram benchmarks which gives you a lot of information but they have significant variables, you can get wide swings just at random. That said lower latency is best when it comes to ram, 2500mhz cl10 has a ram latency of 8ns and it would beat 6000mhz cl28 just due to the latency alone even tho 2500mhz cl10 would be DDR3 speeds (though those times are not possible) but my point is speed matters as much as ram latency.
CAS latency is not ram latency however ram speed plus CAS determines ram latency.
Nicely described,very informative. U just got a new subscriber. Carry on bro❤️🔥🔥
I build a system with one stick of DDR5 32gb ram on 5600mts with timings of cl36-38-38. friends gifted me second stick of 32gb 5600mts ram but have different timings of cl40-40-40. because of different timings i can't overclock ram more than 5200mts (or it becames unstable), and also if i undervolt my cpu(13900k), it will became unstable.
i don't understand which ram timings are better, and what timings should i aim for future ram upgrade? (meaning adding 2more sticks of 32gb)
Smaller number = betterer timings. Every 200mhz of speed increase is proportional to 1 'ticks' on the timings. eg. 3000CL15 and has the same latency as 3200CL16. 3200CL14 has a FASTER latency than 3600CL18 (however 3600mhz has a faster raw bandwidth). Choosing lower latency or higher bandwidth RAM is very application specific.
@@funbucket09 thank you for answer. looks like my cl36-38-38 have better timings
Thanks for another great video - will observe / absorb this info before building my M2 I7 G14 Machine - especially on XMP on/off and selecting appropriate / Max stable Memory speed. I7 G14 Up to 5600 Mhz Native but my motherboard can address more / less depending on ram used and how many memory channels I used up. For me will use 2 x 32 Gb one per channel, = 64 Gb
Getting 128gb of ram to work was pretty much impossible. 2 years ago I built a new computer for a graphic design shop. My 3rd one for them at the time. They said they wanted to best of the best this time around. I used a ryzen 5950x (best at the time) and a gigabyte 3080 oc with 128gb of ram. It took a lot of research to even find ram that was “comparable”. The good thing is that the ram capacity was far more important than its speed. In the end. I had to run the 4 sticks of 32gb ram at bone stock speeds. It worked out very well in the end. This shop does a lot of multitasking with high end graphic software and they use many programs loaded up at the same time. Peeking at the computer from time to time, I could see that they were regularly using well over the 64gb of ram that most high end computers would be built with. They also told me that rendering was getting finished up to 4 times faster than the computer with 64gb of ram.
very handy tutorial )
"upgraded" my PC for free by +10% of RAM speed
Tech Notice, I have seen everywhere people saying that you should only run 2 sticks because quad channel is a thing of the past and you can hurt the performance of your ram by adding another kit of ram into your pc, utilizing all of your slots? It's also been stated more over that using 2 kits can cause instability (i had wondered if tinkering meant you could bypass this instability of 2 "same" but not same kits installed into your pc. You may go over this point in your video).
I do video and design work and i'd love a 2nd kit in my PC but these statements always stopped me from getting another kit. What do you say to this? (I'll continue watching and if you address them/answer them and I understand, i'll delete this comment)
Hmmmmmmmmm. I'd still like to know why you think it's still OKAY to run more than 2 sticks, like what use cases. Clearly you're doing it and it's "creator" based but you would thing if there's issues doing it that creators wouldn't want to risk having a worse time "creating" on their system and therefore avoid 4 sticks anyway.
Also still curious what you think when people (and manufacturers) state that two kits of the same model is a bad idea. You've clearly done it, what are your thoughts?
2 questions:
1-On a z790 mobo with a 13700k or 13900k can you run 2 (2x32g) kits of ram for a total of 128gb? On older gen mobos companies like Corsair said you couldn't. You had to get 1 (4x32gb) kit.
2-Will premiere pro and davinci benefit from a raise of ram from 128gb to 192gb? Is it worth the Xtra $ if you can afford it or is it overkill.
wich case is shown @19:41 the one with orange strip ontop & vertical gpu ? i couldn't find it in your build guide :D
great vid as always! personally i use i9 13900 non k ver. along with kingston fury beast ddr5 5600 mhz running at stock 4800mhz and gigabyte b760 gaming x mobo. xmp always have a risk for blue screen or black screen, for stability i dont even set it. For gaming it is fine, but when you work on large files like me and you cpu and ram do alot work long time (for me like 3 to 5 hours workload on single project) its just not worth the effort. About timings and voltage dont even touch it, its relic of the past and you will loose more time and nerve setuping than profit and performance. Thanks again for great vid. Please do vid about multiple gpu for projects on one platform.
Go into bios from an admin command prompt with
shutdown /fw /r
How much does QVL matter?? Should i change the RAM as per ASUS QVL list or having a non QVL will be fine for enabling XPO for DDR4??
QVL is a nice guide to know what RAM kits have been tested at certain speeds AND work with that motherboard. Non-QVL kits might work but it's not guaranteed and you may be stuck with slower RAM than you anticipated. I have an Asus B650E-F Gaming Wifi and I chose a QVL compatible DDR5-5600 32GB kit with Hynix M-die so I could easily overclock it to 6000MT/s for my Ryzen 7 7700X (and possibly faster speeds when the BIOS updates are available). Hynix has the fastest and most stable DDR5 (they were the first to release DDR5 RAM too) so I knew I needed their M-die when faster RAM speeds are made available to motherboards later into the AM5 cycle and for when I upgrade my CPU to Zen 5 or 6. If you watch Buildzoid of Actually Hardcore Overclocking, he stability tests motherboards, CPUs, and RAM and he tested my current MB with a 7950X months before I bought it so I knew it could handle a high end CPU when I buy one in the future. Have you bought your motherboard yet and what kit are looking to buy?
@@vigilant_1934 I have x570 creative WiFi board 5900x and currently I have two sticks of Gskill ripjaw 3600 ddr 32gb ram
So when I want to upgrade to 128 should sell them and buy a new one (without checking) or there is some way to check if these will be compatible in 128gb usage ?
My memory usage is high but nothing much is running. Is that causing my PC lagging or slow ?
No wonder my Ryzen 5 2600 crash from time to time i thought my PSU(520w bronze) pair with RX 480 can't keep up that time i was running the RAM at 3200MHz when it should be only at 2933MHz. Now my PC doesnt crash anymore i upgraded to Ryzen 7 5700X3D where it max out at 3200MHz and RX 6600 running smoothly now i did'nt experience the sudden crash/black screen before so it pretty much confirm that's the case.
I have a Asus ROG Strix X370-F Motherboard which support 64GB at 3200MHz, was planning to get 2x16GB of 3200MHz and later on will get another set of RAM to 4x16GB 3200MHz am i expecting too much that the motherboard will handle this specs or will it have a set of other problem?
I'm waiting for someone like you to do some speed tests for code development. Everyone does gaming and creating. I want the most killer system I can afford to compile c# in visual studio community for windows development. So much so, I don't even want to add discrete graphics because I spent all my money on CPU, motherboard, and ram.
The no RGB setup is 11/10 . A M A Z I N G .
Which keyboard do you have , dont you have the logitech mx anymore?
if im right ofc
I noticed I get the best results in terms of perfomance when I run my cpu at rated speeds with the rams than when I overclock the ram.
jaytwocent say that you have to update your bios before you enable to XMP.
If you have enough Ram overall, increasing a DDR5 kit from 4800Mhz to the XMP/EXPO profile 6000 speed will not create a noticeable difference in gaming workloads.
Yep, you've seen Jayz video, wait for creator workloads ;)
now i have 13600k with z790 asus tuf ddr4 and i was willing to upgrade to 14900k am i gonna lose alot for staying with ddr4
I wish I had know this before. However I bought DDR 4 ram and I don't think they had high capacity sticks at that time.
Side note, can one put DDR 4 ram in a newer machine? Would it run the ram faster without compromising the stability?
Hi, how are you? I have question please. I saw that the 2x48gb sticks are only most of all XMP Intel. I have a Ryzen 7900 is it possible to use them on Ryzen 7900? or must i buy a EXPO compatible ones? Or this thing on RAM about XMP and EXPO are just marketing and royalties thing? Thank you. :) Very nice content.
If you are willing to do some manual set up, it will probably work. I have an AMD CPU and I use it with 'Intel XMP' DDR4 ram at a faster speed than it said on the box. If you want one-click no worries easy peasy set up though, you should just get a kit with AMD EXPO.
1. Windows 11 with 4 banks of 16GB each will use only 32GB most of the time.
2. 64GB assures that there is free memory available which does help.
3. The memory controller will only feel stressed if it's maximum speed and voltage are exceeded.
4. Faster memory uses less voltage and provides more bandwidth.
unless you have a workstation motherboard (HP) that does not let you tweak things like XMP profiles...
I can run my 13700k with 6800mhz + gtx 1060. As soon as i plug in a new gpu (rx 7900 xtx) i get black screens. I assume it's not due to ram if it worked with a different gpu right?
PSU?
In my case xmp on, i turn the pc on, then it quickly goes off and on again. But. NO crashes… cant figure it out..
I have 2x48 6800 t-create expert on 14900k cpu, works smooth as butter
Hey bro if 12th gen says 4800mts can we go for 5600? Or not,also if cpu is F varient i7 12700F ??? Thanks
I got the 9800X3D and I want to run 128GB of RAM at 6400MT/s but unfortunately I'm stuck at running at crappy 6000MT/s with a X870 motherboard.
I had a weird thing happen on a PC I just built. Its an MSI Z790, i5 12600k, 32GB DDR5 T Force Delta 6400mhz 16x2, RTX 4070. I set the XMP to what I now know is the wrong speed, I had it set to 6000mhz, but never had any kind of problem at all. No crashes, no failures to post, nothing out of the ordinary. I went into the MSI Center app to overclock through the MSI Creator APP and not through the BIOS. I can see the specs of each individual RAM stick. 1 was running at the proper 6000mhz, the second, according to MSI Creator, was running at 200 mhz. I went into the BIOS and set the XMP to the proper 6400mhz and turned on RAM performance mode. Now Creator says both sticks are running at the proper 6400mhz. IDK what that was about?? I had benchmarked it before changing the XMP, but didn't record the scores, so I cant really tell if one stick was actually running at 200mhz, or if something was just bugged in the MSI overclocking software, I do know how many FPS I was getting in some games I play, I can ck to see if that has improved. I thought 2 mismatched RAM sticks would run at the rated speed of the slowest stick, in which case both my RAM sticks would have been running at 200mhz, which does not seem to be the case. When I did benchmark the system the ranking of the score was right where I would have expected it to be, say a bit slower than a 13th gen i5. Very odd. The ASUS BIOS looks so much nicer than the MSI BIOS. I'm sure most of the options are the same, just looking at yours the options are presented in a much clearer fashion. On MSI BIOS you really have to dig through the settings to find anything.
very beautiful color scheme internal
I've been trying to find the t create ram, but anywhere that ships to where I live has prices through the roof :(
Great video
Should i get normal performance 5200 DDR5 or higher performance DDR5 6000 for video editing Premiere, AE, and occasional gaming? 32 or 64? thanks
I'm at 5000 MHz 192 GB DDR5 four dims
192 GB man,... What are you doing with such a monster PC? My best guess is that you also have 2x NVIDIA 4900 RTX and a i9 14k or latest KS proccesor! It's overkill for gaming so I guess you do video editing 😊.
@@CountPorcula yeah my last computer was for 4K editing... I was hoping to be able to edit 8K no problem but it does have a 4090 I literally just got it last month because micro center offered me a return on all my computer parts and a 10% discount if I bought a GPU.
i have the same memory Ram pair with the Ryzen 7800X3D AND GIGABYTE X670 AORUS Motherboard the Ram was running at MHz 4800 I was about to return these rams when i found your video thanks to you my Rams is running at MHz6000.
You missed a few things like dual rank and 2 slots vs 4.