+Pow3rus LOL! No need to, nothing has changed! As per EVERY release of new memory technology, they have always sacrificed latency for bandwidth, has always meant no need to upgrade for gamers and desktop users. Once you get really fast memories with low latency at reasonable price for newest memory platform is there an incentive to change. I just sold my DDR 2 Quadcore rig with a reasonable gfx that is still able to churn new games at decent frame rates
@@Graphics_Card DDR is best. Remember running 2.2.2.5 x 4... Don't care what anyone says about speed, those latencies were instant from a user experience.
Still using a single channeled 1333mhz ddr3 4gb stick The sad thing is that the ram is starting to fail now..that ram is around 12 years..and has run all the operating systems after windows xp(except vista and 8.1)
It still works great! I have 2x16gb RAM Sticks (32gb) total on a Dell Optiplex Desktop, and still have 2 empty slots. Perhaps I will be upgrading in the coming years, but for now, they work great on all my applications, love them!
@@krasi_rkkrtabakov4953 well the power consumption on ddr4 is about 40% lower and about a 50% increase in performance overall. i switched to ddr4 because i needed a new cpu and motherboard but i dont see a huge difference.
+домино™ ok let me explain this to you. The original comment says ddr4 gives 1fps more than ddr3. Which is true. But the skylake cpu can give you another 20fps than last gen i7 in some games. I saw a benchmark with it on witcher 3. To use that cpu and get those extra fps you have to get ddr4. Making ddr4 worth getting in that situation and therefore more than 1fps with that set up.
DDR3's highest speed? No Linus, Adata and Avexir both make DDR3 at 2400Mhz stock even on single 8Gig sticks for up to 32Gb DDR3 @ 2400Mhz no overclocking. Avexir even makes some DDR3 at 3000Mhz. EDIT: Linus explained JDEC standard.
blackice11z JDEC is the standard (or rather, the organization that sets the standard). Being over the standard doesn't mean its overclocked. By definition being overclocked means running at a higher clock than factory designed. If Adata or whoever makes them by factory to run at 2400mhz, the memory isn't overclocked but is over the standard. Any memory will be initially detected in a motherboard using a standard JDEC profile. That's why if you install a memory in a motherboard it will most likely start as 1333mhz CL9. (unless XMP is supported by both the motherboard and the ram and stuff but ignore that because thats non-standard JDEC stuff) The JDEC standards exists basically to tell memory designers how to expect a motherboard to try to use the memory, and motherboard designers how to expect a memory to be and how to use it. (imagine a motherboard trying to guess memory settings until it boots up, that would suck) sorry long shit post :E
I tried to do the same, but I didn't have the right sleeving on my power cables, so my 24pin kept disconnecting itself to prevent overheating :/ I've got a water block for my PSU coming in the mail, so that should help. I need to learn the proper "tap water-to-algae" ratio first, as I've never water cooled a PSU before. Should be pretty straightforward, though.
*If you want to skip the video:* - You cannot use DDR3 ram, motherboards, and processors with DDR4, DDR2 or DDR ram. - DDR4 reads faster - DDR4 has worse write and latency results than DDR3 - DDR3 is cheaper - The only point in getting DDR4, is to use the newer processors, motherboards and ram that have already come out, or will be coming out in the future (supports the future pc platform)
SMC Doesn't make that much of a difference. Logical cores switch between multiple tasks to give an illusion of having more cores,but then a switching process is needed to do this. That is why, 4 Actual physical cores will outperform 4 logical cores easily.
Wouldn't work. Many of these benchmark results would be affected by CPU performance, so we needed cores that performed (outside of memory) exactly equally. Hence the decision to go ahead with two Haswell based chips.
I understand the idea but both should have been considered. Especially with memory benchmarks raw CPU performance could be compensated for by adjusting clock based on known IPC differences. You could make the argument about memory controller and cache but that already varies in your current tests. It wouldn't make much of a difference though. They (DDR3 vs DDR4) perform similarly at the same speeds (slight edge to DDR4), but DDR4 clocks higher so it has the edge. The extra bandwidth of quad channel is pretty notable over dual channel, obviously. That's the only reason I dislike seeing only that case shown. I certainly understand why you guys did what you did, it just would have been nice to see x79 added in there, since it's not really apples vs apples anyhow given the platform changes.
Cole Markusen It's MUCH closer to apples to apples this way. X79 with an IVY-E processor "fudged" to compensate for IPC differences is not scientific at all...Besides, to drive home the point here I *DID* include quad channel DDR4 3000MHz results... The performance is pretty much the same as the slowest dual channel in real world applications, so I don't really see how providing another whack load of DDR4 quad channel results or DDR3 quad channel results would change the conclusion.
LinusTechTips It's definitely closer to apples to apples, but not exactly, but I also understand that you won't be able to get a true apples to apples comparison. The biggest difference is the cores and application. Games won't notice a difference, I don't think anyone was expecting it to. Your results are by no means inaccurate, they are spot on. But you're also not exactly doing anything memory intensive in terms or raw CPU horsepower (4 cores/8 threads) and memory intensive programs. When you start adding more cores, the benefit of DDR4 does start to show it's benefit. Granted, when you start truly noticing it you'll be in more server-grade applications. It's similar to DDR2 to DDR3. Similar performance at the same speeds but the newer variant can clock higher (let's blindly ignore timings for the time being, lol). I guess the main point was that there is a big difference between quad vs dual channel in terms of bandwidth and overall performance when you have the CPU grunt to use it. Not trying to challenge what you guys tested or your conclusions. Just that DDR3 Quad Channel and DDR4 Quad channel, at similar clocks, will perform similarly.
Cole Markusen Oh there's no doubt that DDR4 will show its true colours when you throw more cores at it. I just don't think that 6 or even 8 cores will make a difference. I guess that could be a whole separate video. Single vs dual vs triple vs quad channel on the 5960X at 4.4GHz...
Adding 1% and 0.1% testing has really shown us what we were missing in the old days of 2014. Minimum frame rates and frame times were likely boosted in this testing.
Diaconu Florin X99 is the enthusiast platform, if you can afford it, you'd should be able to afford DDR4. It makes sense to introduce DDR4 at this time so that the price of DIMMS will drop come next year when Intel introduces a new chipset for more mainstream boards.
Yeah but is it 1866mhz DDR3? The amd fx DDR3 memory controllers beat both of these in dual channel configs. Of course I just built someone a budget 2600mhz DDR4 system & thats not pushing it either. The intel budget system its replacing had 1333mhz dd3 dualcore haswell that couldnt beat a amd DDR2 phenom1 system from 13 years ago So ya, some DDR3 is totally relevant & some stuggles to play this video haha
Dagoth Ur Pretty much. That's why people don't necessarily worry about RAM types unless they want to squeeze every bit of performance out of their pc. CPU and GPU are definitely way more important
Maybe it'd be good for reducing stutter on a cheaper computer that (for whatever reason) supports DDR4, but generally speaking unless you don't mind the price it's really not worth it.
Bandwidth is a fact, but if this gives you nothing... Maybe in future they will be use it, but for now is useless. Sorry, it gives you an average on 1fps with a video card, great emprovement :D
+Jman 5820 = DDR4 / 4770K = DDR3. LONGER bars means BETTER performances. DDR4 is barely better and not worth the price increase. I only went with 2x4 GB DDR4 @2400 MHz cause I went with a Z70 motherboard for the new i5 6600k CPU (and 980 Ti )...
What is the real-time data-transfer requirement (GB/sec) for games and other modern software. Compare that to the RAM you are using. There is your answer why on this and your other videos, the real-world benchmarks keep telling you RAM speed and generation don't seem to matter. Even the lowliest DDR3-800 can transfer multiple GB of data per-second (up to 6 GB). What real-world application needs even that?
FL STUDIO by Image-Line Software it speeds up loading of games though. Models and textures are loaded into the system RAM and then, when it's fully loaded, transferred to the GPU. So in some games you might cut loading time by a bit. But it's just like half a second or so Also some stuff like AI or such can benefit from faster RAM speeds. Up to a certain point of course
i was a little surprised by how close they actually were, especially considering quad channel ops. but also, 2133 ddr3 is a very high clock that most mainstream boards will not run without overclocking setups (most will use 1600 or 1866 natively), and the 2400 speed ddr4 is a very LOW speed when compared with currently available sticks, upwards of 4000 speed (in 2017). i think if you were to do this very same test over with the same ddr3 but with the highest clock ddr4 out, we'd see some bigger gaps between the two
Alban Veshti i heard that a lot of these "agressive" looking ram heatsink come unstuck over time as they are not pressed down mechanically and just glue on, so when the thermo glue breaks the bond and doesn't transfer heat as well the headsink becomes more of a liability because it traps heat onto the ram stick.
@@vulcan2019 you don't need faster ram speeds for gaming right now, and I don't see it happening in the next ~5 years. 16gigs of ddr3 is completely fine for all games. Not speaking of video rendering etc, of course.
TheLordOfWar Even if you could, I don't think it's going to matter. It's the least effective most effective rule. The least effective piece of hardware ends up having the most effect on your performance. If your ram is overclocked to 3000, it doesn't matter how many millions of clock cycles a second the information is being processed if the timings delay the information on the back-end. I'm pretty sure Linus already did a test of various DDR3 sticks, and the higher speed ram performed almost exactly the same as lower speed ram and in some cases slower, because the latency was higher.
Dialectical Materialism The higher speed ram performed almost exactly the same as lower speed ram and in some cases slower? He said that? Unfortunately, both lost your bets there! You're totally wrong there, and yes I know what's CAS is all about and I use terabyte-scale DDR3 RAMs in various machines (over 300).
I know this video is old, but is DDR4 really worth it? I'm building a new PC for gaming and video editing for my channel, but have a strict budget of around £850-900 and adding DDR4 takes the price up to £1k. Should I wait until I can afford DDR4 or just go with my original build?
abdulaziz almubailesh This is my original build: uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/7NM9FT I already have a 290x and a 750w XFX power supply. Paints are for the case and 290x so I can get a nice black/white theme going. Cables are to improve aesthetics.
KinglyMuch nice build but instead of the 290x i would go with an gtx970. The i7 works better with nvidia gpus :) But at all nice build, could tell me smth about the liquid cooler u choosed? I dont know if I should go with the Corsair 105t or with your nxzt
EPICZ Do people really still believe this old myth? There is no genuine evidence that Intel CPUs work better with Nvidia GPUs, or that AMD GPUs work worse with Intel CPUs.
that’s like saying you have a sandwich but it doesn’t have the ingredients of another sandwich. Ddr3 and Ddr4 are both architectures for motherboards. Just like it doesn’t make sense to say “My maxwell gtx card doesn’t support pascal”
In real life, i think the capacity of RAM matters much more than the speed and bandwidth in Gaming. 4GB and 8GB will be a big difference for recent Hard Core games.
+Cheng Guo Yeah, one of my RAM chips broke a while back, so I was down to 4GB instead of 8GB until the replacement arrived. The difference was noticable right away, especially in games like Borderlands, which started stuttering like crazy.
+acalarmarrrr I wouldent preferr that. 2000+ Mhz ram does throw away Lantacy in order to get more hertz witch is not worth it!! 1866mhz ram is the sweet spot u will get, 1600-1866 is the best speed of ram u can get at the moment (for gaming)
Some individuals focus on the speed- like 1866 mhz is better than 1600 mhz. You must factor the latency in as well. (CAS/frequency) x 2000 gives you a number in nanoseconds for comparing speeds. Say you see a 1600 kit at 7-8-7-20 and a 1866 kit at 9-10-9-28 which is faster? Well 7/1600 x 2000 = 8.75 nanoseconds; 9/1866 x 2000 = 9.646 so the 1600 kit actually looks quicker Some basic gamers just think "bigger and more is better"- but you must research and crunch numbers - especially when calculating the specs for your machine. Are you not worth taking the time to get the most performance at the most reasonable cost?
+Cheng Guo I think the same. It actually bugs me that there's no big improvement. I would actually like to see increase in performance. The same goes for the new Skylake cpu's, also no big improvement in performance.
Well, the i7 4790k is way better when it comes to overclocking and heatdisapation. Even at stock this thing runs at 4.0ghz and with turboboost even 4.4ghz. And it got a little bit more cache. i would go with the i7 4790k especially since the temperatures are way more tameable which is pretty important when you overclock it, which you surely will do if you buy an unlocked processor.
Ranziel1 They benefit from it tho. Most games these days support 8 threads. Since games only utilize about 30% of each thread you will notice an difference, especialy in games with alot of physics or AI. Depending on the games it can make a bigger or smaller impact on the performance.
Vandré Borba Trevisan Ferreira money isnt really the issue but i obviously dont want to spend more than i need to, especially when as far as i was aware the i7 wasnt a whole lot better for gaming (i do some video rendering too, but thats not a big deal really)
So DDR4 is mainstream now. i know DDR2 is starting to become ridiculously expensive due to low supply - should i snatch up some DDR3 now, or is it still lowering in price?
It really depends on how much of it you're getting and if you plan on upgrading your CPU (and in extension, your motherboard) soon or not. My Intel i5 4460 and ASRock H97M PRO4 (combined with my GTX 950) give me a better gaming experience than any console I could buy (which was pretty much the goal of my build in the first place), and my 8GB stick of DDR3 RAM is working well, although I might get another stick due to requirements for newer games coming out. If you're just planning on keeping hardware for a while (and if your current CPU/Motherboard combo supports DDR3 RAM), I would snatch up a bit more DDR3. No need to go overboard and buy 64GBs of it, though (also double check how much RAM your motherboard can handle).
I'm confused. Are you still running DDR2? Because DDR2 has been obsolete since 2007 so idk why you're mentioning it. And frankly if you're still running DDR2 it's about time to upgrade. Actually it was about time to upgrade 10 years ago.
if i'm asking about buying DDR3, i've obviously got a machine that utilizes it. I was using DDR2, DDR3's predecessor, as an example as to what's going to happen to DDR3 if i wait too long.
matt lam Even then there are limitations. If you are lacking in RAM, you will experience performance drops, but it seems as if, based off Linus' other benchmarks, having MORE than enough RAM doesnt do anything for performance compared to having enough. Less = shit fps enough = fine fps more than enough = exactly the same as enough
matt lam 8gb is enough in most cases. 16gb is safe, whereas anything above that is kinda just burning money This is about gaming strictly though. Other applications are a different story
Liber Tar well... the game i play (kerbal space program) eats a lot of ram cos i have quite a few mods installed... it preloads everything into the ram 8G isnt enough for me but yes i agree 8g is enough in most cases
@1:00 - skylake CPUs support both DDR3 and DDR4. Some manufacturers like Asrock have Skylake Z170 motherboards that require DDR3 and even boards that support BOTH (Asrock H170 COMBO)
@@gerardonavarro3400 Here th-cam.com/users/LinusTechTipsmembership There are different badges depending on how long you've been a member up to 24 months, I'm 19 days from the 24 month one.
Linus, you under stated the importance of cache size. a small cache size can have drastic effects on process that can easily mask the ram! mishandling cache can cause processes that normally take fractions of seconds to last for minutes. (my personal tests shows a simple square root that takes usually about 350 cycles can slow down to 300k cycles delay easily
I personally think DDR4 is not needed at all. Only for those who truly need it making movies, rendering, but more than that it is not needed for normal consumers.
***** DDR4 will be always useless if you ask me, not cuz of price. It is not a big deal in mhz since there are some limitations on the computer. As for the rendering thing, i just have heard about it so i think i might be mistaken when i wrote the comment. Now I wouldnt even switch to ddr4 for free.
***** I want to tell you something. I switched from ddr1 to ddr3 and the differences weren't that big. The biggest differences were when I switched cpu and gpu. Mobo switches, ram switches, sound card switches i saw a difference of near zero. The biggest problem with ddr4 is that you have to switch entire PC, same thing i did with ddr1 to ddr3. (from single core to quad and it wasn't so big because i switched from xp to windows 7 and things got way more demanding.)
overlord580 Can you provide a link to where it says it can use 24GB ram? I sincerely don't think that any of them would ever need this much of ram, maybe 3ds Max would be amazing, but when even games don't use this much, it would make no sense. (Watch Dogs does use more than 4GB ram though)
If you can get a good deal on a ddr3 motherboard with a good processor in late 2018 go for it if you’re on a budget it will save you $$$$ if you just want something to game on that’s better than a console
I would also like to add that this was supposed to be an apples to apples comparison but using different frequencies or latencies is NOT apples to apples. Linus: Which is faster... DDR3 1600Mhz vs DDR4 1600Mhz (or any frequency) both with the same latency. Its that simple. Please answer that question.
I just built a computer for my wife a couple of weeks ago (march 2019). As she does play the latest AAA titles but mostly MMOs like Guild Wars 2 I dicided to go with last gen hardware completely. I got her an MSI Z97 gaming 3, 16 GB of G.Skill RipjawsX DDR3 2133 Mhz, an i7-4790k and an MSI GTX 1660ti gaming X (granted that one is new but it is cheap enough that there was no need for an older card in my opinion). And I can safely say that the system runs really well. It even runs games like Star Citizen on high details without breaking asweat. And I didn't even overclock it, but just went with the XMP profile for the RAM and the standard boost for the CPU. I bought everything but the GPU used so the complete system (other than the PSU and the case which I had laying around) for around 550,- €. Edit: And the 550,-€ even include me fucking up royaly by buying the wrong RAM first. I first got HyperX Savage not realizing that it needs 1,6V... stupid me.
He makes 'other' vids (wink) in between computer tech vids, hence the green screen to cover the mess. I think even his shirt could be digitally applied.
So basically... We just spend more money for the high frequenzy and the DDR4 branding but we ain't getting any performance increases. Only difference from DDR3 is that it draws less volts. What a complete waste in my opinion! I ain't going to switch to DDR4 untill there's some decently priced CPU's available on the market, which is the only thing that would increase performance but that would've happened without DDR4 anyway. Seems like introducing DDR4 was just a way for RAM manufacturers to raise their prices.
Your really comparing apples to apples. But this memory enables the new choice of CPU. With their specs and their memory bandwith. So it is comparing apples with bananas saying the banana is a apple. Now i am hungry, just eat the apples, until the banana is sweater.... Or just wait until they made pineapple memory... Jummie... But this is somehow serious
This video confirms my assumption, that still today in 2019 my DD3-Triple Channel Ram @1600MHz is in most cases still ok. And yes, I am a nostalgic fanboy of old X58 systems :-)).
Agreed, I still use DDR3 system with Dual Channel support at 1600 and it can still deliver great performance for my gaming. Not worth to upgrade system when there is only 1 or 3 fps gains. 🤔
Ddr 4 is a new technology.My old laptop Acer core 2 p8700 cpu 512 mb gpu and 8 gb ddr3 1066-1333 mhz ram supported.İm buying Dell inspiron 3593 i3 1005g1 laptop and upgrading ram 4 gb to 16 gb ram.İ feel the power of newer technology.
I bought an AMD FX9550 back in 2013. My power cpu power cord melted, into the motherboard last week, which happened right after a big windows update to 1909. Right after that update my computer began crashing a lot, I'm not 100% saying it was the update, but very odd timing. I kept turning it back on, but was struggling to uninstall the update, and then I smelt that burning smell, and saw the browness, and a bubble in the power cord right where it plugs into the motherboard. I had already placed an order for a new Ryzen 9 3900x, and was planning to upgrade. I would already have been gaming on that machine, but I realized I needed DDR4 memory, and I couldn't simply use the memory I already had. I thought this was brand new, but here's this video from 6 years ago. That machine seems to have really lasted. Now I need a new power supply just to be safe, while I wait for my parts to arrive, I'm back on a AMD Phenom II x6 1090T, that I built in 2010. I threw in my GTX 1060 graphics card, and my additional 4 usb 3.0 pci card, but due to lacking instruction sets, I can't seem to play COD Warzone, or VR Pokwer Stars, though I think my rig could manage power wise.
I was thinking about building a new machine, just so I could get the new Flight Simulator 2020. After pricing out all of the new components, it hit me that I have perfectly good lGA 1150 and lga 1155 socket computers both with core i7 processors, 16gigs of ram and ssd drives. My concern was whether the ddr3 in both my machines would hold me back significantly. But based on what you demonstrated, I just decided my machines would do fine. I'm just going to put an SSD with Windows 10 on it, next to the hard drive with windows 7, then shift back and forth. Thanks for doing this report.
Just brought new life to my 8gb ddr3 2nd gen Sandy Bridge 2320 by changing the HSF (the stock HSF was so clogged up after 6 years it overheated under the lightest load) also added a RX 560 video card, should be good for another 5 years - maybe I should add another 8gb ram
I'm still kickin' it with an FX-8350, 16g Gskill RipjawX DDR3 , and a GTX1060 SSC 6g. No fumbles here. As much as I'm chomping at the bit to go ahead and get the 1800X I've been drooling over, with the ASUS Crosshair VI Hero MB, I want to see some pricing stability? Could be a long wait.
Absolutely Braggadocious ***** OminousPineapple www.staples.ca/en/Zotac-ZT-70605-10H-GeForce-GTX-750-Ti-Graphics-Card-2GB-DDR5/product_1385644_1-CA_1_20001 go to that link i didnt know DDR5 exsisted either but it does.
"Uhhh there is DDR4 now???"
"oh the video is more than 1 year old"
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time to get out of my cave
+Pow3rus LOL! No need to, nothing has changed! As per EVERY release of new memory technology, they have always sacrificed latency for bandwidth, has always meant no need to upgrade for gamers and desktop users. Once you get really fast memories with low latency at reasonable price for newest memory platform is there an incentive to change. I just sold my DDR 2 Quadcore rig with a reasonable gfx that is still able to churn new games at decent frame rates
+Pow3rus dude ddr4 has been around for a few months
+Pow3rus just had a similar experience with 1tb ssds
+Pow3rus I had the exact same experience researching parts for my upgrade a month ago
+Pow3rus i had ddr4 over a year ago, actually when this video came out, i have that same cpu, 5820k
6 years later I am still using DDR3.
Ddr3 will always be best!
@@Graphics_Card DDR is best. Remember running 2.2.2.5 x 4... Don't care what anyone says about speed, those latencies were instant from a user experience.
Still using a single channeled 1333mhz ddr3 4gb stick
The sad thing is that the ram is starting to fail now..that ram is around 12 years..and has run all the operating systems after windows xp(except vista and 8.1)
@Angelo Marcyne Canillas DDR4 is cheaper than DDR3 my dude
same here, about to pick up a ryzen 3600 though, my 4th gen i5 really deserves some rest
this was completely misleading. I was expecting a comparison of apples!
this is as close as he could compare.
m`think he meant Mac computers.. :)
+Amit Raam he meant actual literal apples ... That's the joke
lol
He couldn't afford apples, he had to go for motherboards that support DDR3 and DDR4 ram. Maybe next time he'll remember to shop within a budget.
7 years later DDR5 has released and i still use DDR3
It still works great! I have 2x16gb RAM Sticks (32gb) total on a Dell Optiplex Desktop, and still have 2 empty slots. Perhaps I will be upgrading in the coming years, but for now, they work great on all my applications, love them!
@@UnregisteredSkeptic the problem is that is sdram. 800 mhz of pure performance. i discovered it yesterday. only 8 gb ..
Same
Me too . And ddr3 is fine . I dont know what is the purpose of ddr4
@@krasi_rkkrtabakov4953 well the power consumption on ddr4 is about 40% lower and about a 50% increase in performance overall. i switched to ddr4 because i needed a new cpu and motherboard but i dont see a huge difference.
i will wait for ddr 10
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+Jake Rg ok....
ddr 4 gives 1fps more than dd3, you re welcome!
Except if you use the ddr4 Intel i7 6700k. You get 20 fps more on some games like witcher 3
but thats because of the skylake cpu...
+домино™ you can't use skylake with ddr3 is my point. That's the reason I went to a ddr4 set up
+scrubslover9 i know but the 20 fps is because of the CPU and not the RAM ...
+домино™ ok let me explain this to you. The original comment says ddr4 gives 1fps more than ddr3. Which is true. But the skylake cpu can give you another 20fps than last gen i7 in some games. I saw a benchmark with it on witcher 3. To use that cpu and get those extra fps you have to get ddr4. Making ddr4 worth getting in that situation and therefore more than 1fps with that set up.
Anyone getting this in their recommended right before the switch to DDR5?
lol yes weird
I was also taken aback by the old intro
only in graphics for now
"The switch" is going to be in 2022 and it's going to be out of stock and not worth the upgrade performance-wise either.
Ddr5 released?!
I watch things that I can't afford, this life is so mean.
Rams are cheap AF how broke are you
+Alaa Afara Sure thing, come to Argentina will see what it's cheap for you.
Giovanni Pascucci Aw, I'm sorry
We must all move to Star Trek economics and abandon this capitalism that promotes class differences, jealousies, hate and wars.
+kedwa30 +1
Problem solved I just wrote ddr4 over my ddr3 sticks :P
also crossed out the i5 and labeled it i7
put a 750w sticker over my 500w psu now I feel fancy
so cute..
+mrsnoo86 and if a guy said that you would of called him a moron
+Nick Abbott lmao 😂
my thoughts exactly
LMAO XD
i7 can be cheaper than a i5
DDR3's highest speed? No Linus, Adata and Avexir both make DDR3 at 2400Mhz stock even on single 8Gig sticks for up to 32Gb DDR3 @ 2400Mhz no overclocking. Avexir even makes some DDR3 at 3000Mhz.
EDIT: Linus explained JDEC standard.
I said JDEC speed. There are overclocked speeds available.
LinusTechTips Oh is Jdec the highest and the higher speed ones are just factory OCd. So XPG V2 2400 is OCd?
blackice11z JDEC speeds are "official" speeds, but many kits go beyond it.
LinusTechTips Tried benching 64 Bit games linus.? Think the RAM freq' might have a bigger impact on that front than 32 bit..
blackice11z JDEC is the standard (or rather, the organization that sets the standard). Being over the standard doesn't mean its overclocked.
By definition being overclocked means running at a higher clock than factory designed.
If Adata or whoever makes them by factory to run at 2400mhz, the memory isn't overclocked but is over the standard.
Any memory will be initially detected in a motherboard using a standard JDEC profile.
That's why if you install a memory in a motherboard it will most likely start as 1333mhz CL9.
(unless XMP is supported by both the motherboard and the ram and stuff but ignore that because thats non-standard JDEC stuff)
The JDEC standards exists basically to tell memory designers how to expect a motherboard to try to use the memory, and motherboard designers how to expect a memory to be and how to use it.
(imagine a motherboard trying to guess memory settings until it boots up, that would suck)
sorry long shit post :E
just downloaded some ddr4, gud choice r8/gr8
Agent Dale I downloaded 384 petabytes of ddr4 ram.
Now my computer goes to eleven.
zyrgle I guess that's still on the clock.
***** as long as you have a huge drive and don't mind having the biggest pagefile in the universe
I tried to do the same, but I didn't have the right sleeving on my power cables, so my 24pin kept disconnecting itself to prevent overheating :/
I've got a water block for my PSU coming in the mail, so that should help. I need to learn the proper "tap water-to-algae" ratio first, as I've never water cooled a PSU before. Should be pretty straightforward, though.
+pustulio81 I've water cooled my Mainboard and now it's 60% cooler :D
I would love to see this redone now, at the end of DDR4's life cycle. Ryzen is certainly more memory timing reliant.
Viewing this video in late 2017 having a great , slightly painful laugh at ram going expensive as all get out.
texasdee slinglead xD
Also viewing this in 2017 and seeing the "rumored" DDR4 on mainstream Broadwell makes me laugh a bit.
Yup! I'm waiting for prices to hopefully drop back down so I can buy another 8GB stick of DDR4 before I get a 1070 (or better) next year.
Tennis Ball my 8 gigs I'm running currently are nearly swamped when I go on steam .
It hurts my wallet so much I might cry
As soon as you choose DDR4, DDR5 will happen.
hahahahahahahaha nice one
+kuinks Literally my pain right now , about to blow 400$ (AUD) on 32GB of corsair dominators , knowing my luck , DDR5 will drop tomorrow
That's why I am still using DDR2. My socket 775 is so old :(
+Asentrix lol ， I bought 32gb ddr 4 3200 , yesterday for $290
+Sinister Steel Same here. fuck.
*If you want to skip the video:*
- You cannot use DDR3 ram, motherboards, and processors with DDR4, DDR2 or DDR ram.
- DDR4 reads faster
- DDR4 has worse write and latency results than DDR3
- DDR3 is cheaper
- The only point in getting DDR4, is to use the newer processors, motherboards and ram that have already come out, or will be coming out in the future (supports the future pc platform)
Thanks lmao see you in another 3 years when DDR5 comes out.
ddr4 has wordr write and latency beacause of ecc support
Thanks for the TLDW.
@@dude3278 hey ddr5 is out
@@burner2894 Lol
I may not know a lot about computers but why the hell is everyone talking about Dance Dance Revolution?!
boo.
hehehee
because the better you dance the better the performance is going to be.
lol
but I don't have legs :'(
DDR4 = No performance advantage in Gaming. All I need to know :)
Nitro192 *if you have 4 cores only.
efdeecue what about 8 logical threads/cores?
SMC Doesn't make that much of a difference. Logical cores switch between multiple tasks to give an illusion of having more cores,but then a switching process is needed to do this. That is why, 4 Actual physical cores will outperform 4 logical cores easily.
Nishant Sukharia Seems only logical.
+SMC it must be something psychological
it may be something very physical...
The black and red makes it go faster.
TGGeko and if you put flame stickers on it, it will be faster than the speed of sound.
And cheaper because AMD
xd
Green and black is even faster..
With my luck it would take it as a challenge and actually catch fire.
Should have added quad channel vs quad channel.
Wouldn't work. Many of these benchmark results would be affected by CPU performance, so we needed cores that performed (outside of memory) exactly equally. Hence the decision to go ahead with two Haswell based chips.
I understand the idea but both should have been considered. Especially with memory benchmarks raw CPU performance could be compensated for by adjusting clock based on known IPC differences. You could make the argument about memory controller and cache but that already varies in your current tests.
It wouldn't make much of a difference though. They (DDR3 vs DDR4) perform similarly at the same speeds (slight edge to DDR4), but DDR4 clocks higher so it has the edge. The extra bandwidth of quad channel is pretty notable over dual channel, obviously. That's the only reason I dislike seeing only that case shown. I certainly understand why you guys did what you did, it just would have been nice to see x79 added in there, since it's not really apples vs apples anyhow given the platform changes.
Cole Markusen It's MUCH closer to apples to apples this way. X79 with an IVY-E processor "fudged" to compensate for IPC differences is not scientific at all...Besides, to drive home the point here I *DID* include quad channel DDR4 3000MHz results... The performance is pretty much the same as the slowest dual channel in real world applications, so I don't really see how providing another whack load of DDR4 quad channel results or DDR3 quad channel results would change the conclusion.
LinusTechTips It's definitely closer to apples to apples, but not exactly, but I also understand that you won't be able to get a true apples to apples comparison. The biggest difference is the cores and application. Games won't notice a difference, I don't think anyone was expecting it to.
Your results are by no means inaccurate, they are spot on. But you're also not exactly doing anything memory intensive in terms or raw CPU horsepower (4 cores/8 threads) and memory intensive programs. When you start adding more cores, the benefit of DDR4 does start to show it's benefit. Granted, when you start truly noticing it you'll be in more server-grade applications. It's similar to DDR2 to DDR3. Similar performance at the same speeds but the newer variant can clock higher (let's blindly ignore timings for the time being, lol).
I guess the main point was that there is a big difference between quad vs dual channel in terms of bandwidth and overall performance when you have the CPU grunt to use it.
Not trying to challenge what you guys tested or your conclusions. Just that DDR3 Quad Channel and DDR4 Quad channel, at similar clocks, will perform similarly.
Cole Markusen Oh there's no doubt that DDR4 will show its true colours when you throw more cores at it. I just don't think that 6 or even 8 cores will make a difference. I guess that could be a whole separate video. Single vs dual vs triple vs quad channel on the 5960X at 4.4GHz...
Adding 1% and 0.1% testing has really shown us what we were missing in the old days of 2014. Minimum frame rates and frame times were likely boosted in this testing.
I wrote to Intel's FB page to ask them to tune the X99 Chips to take DDR3 RAM, I don't have enough for new RAM.
MusicHaven2012 Good luck, but unfortunately that ain't gonna happen.
LinusTechTips You think that they force us to ddr4 because it will become better we just don't know it yet? Or just making money?
LinusTechTips Aw man.... DDR4 is priced too high right now....
Wait for prices to go down I hope.... at least within a year.
LinusTechTips Nice one Linus.You made my day :DDD
Diaconu Florin X99 is the enthusiast platform, if you can afford it, you'd should be able to afford DDR4. It makes sense to introduce DDR4 at this time so that the price of DIMMS will drop come next year when Intel introduces a new chipset for more mainstream boards.
Nice graphs that don't clearly label DDR3 or DDR4.
They are colour coded for your convenience :)
LinusTechTips graph at 6:05 is not correct
Surely you are smart enough to match the ram to its CPU and know which is which.
themcdvideo Or he could label his graphs.
LinusTechTips What is the ISO standard color for DDR3 and DDR4?
Watching this in November 2019😂 almost 6 years later
How is it anywhere near 6 years? That's september 2020
Still running DDR3... 6 years later
Yeah but is it 1866mhz DDR3? The amd fx DDR3 memory controllers beat both of these in dual channel configs.
Of course I just built someone a budget 2600mhz DDR4 system & thats not pushing it either.
The intel budget system its replacing had 1333mhz dd3 dualcore haswell that couldnt beat a amd DDR2 phenom1 system from 13 years ago
So ya, some DDR3 is totally relevant & some stuggles to play this video haha
wassup)
DDR5 is here now!
Basically, DDR4 = 1-3 FPS gain in games, and slightly less power draw over DDR3.
Dagoth Ur Pretty much. That's why people don't necessarily worry about RAM types unless they want to squeeze every bit of performance out of their pc. CPU and GPU are definitely way more important
Maybe it'd be good for reducing stutter on a cheaper computer that (for whatever reason) supports DDR4, but generally speaking unless you don't mind the price it's really not worth it.
Dagoth Ur yeah
Dagoth Ur DDR4 also produces less heat. But then it would be the same as the DDR3L
Then you can just go for DDR3L (lower voltage).
Real life results show it all. Ddr4 so far is just overhyped.
As most of things. Look at PCIe 2.0 and PCIe 3.0, same results in real life.
Synthetic tests are trying to fool us again, or justify not needed expenditure.
Bandwidth is a fact, but if this gives you nothing... Maybe in future they will be use it, but for now is useless. Sorry, it gives you an average on 1fps with a video card, great emprovement :D
DDR4 is a god send for server grade applications. But yes for us, humans, means jack shit.
SuperStareGry Well, x99 CPU's are not, DDR4 is required for them , Wish they would work on both
no clue what the graphs mean
+Jman 5820 = DDR4 / 4770K = DDR3. LONGER bars means BETTER performances. DDR4 is barely better and not worth the price increase. I only went with 2x4 GB DDR4 @2400 MHz cause I went with a Z70 motherboard for the new i5 6600k CPU (and 980 Ti )...
+Jman oh thank god, i thought i was the only one that saw just gibberish.
+Jman i feel u
+Seby Trofin *wipes sweat from forehead* Same here! I was like.. "uhh wut? Linus, so many words yet saying so little!"
+Hyunckel why a monster gcard with a middle range processor
DDR4 looks promising however I think I'll just stick to DDR3 for another year. Also, so much Apples. =)
Good to see you here Lo! :D
ddr3 aint that bad.. 16gb+ for editors and 8gb for gamers should be fine
ITXCrow 4gb is enough for gaming imho
CorsaiRazer Welcome to 2014 mate!
CorsaiRazer The days of 4GB is enough is long gone :/ quite a few games recommend 8GB such as Watch Dogs
2023 And I am still rocking my DDR3 and my PC is still fast as always. Everything is still pretty close to instant thankfully.
What is the real-time data-transfer requirement (GB/sec) for games and other modern software. Compare that to the RAM you are using. There is your answer why on this and your other videos, the real-world benchmarks keep telling you RAM speed and generation don't seem to matter. Even the lowliest DDR3-800 can transfer multiple GB of data per-second (up to 6 GB). What real-world application needs even that?
FL STUDIO by Image-Line Software it speeds up loading of games though. Models and textures are loaded into the system RAM and then, when it's fully loaded, transferred to the GPU. So in some games you might cut loading time by a bit. But it's just like half a second or so
Also some stuff like AI or such can benefit from faster RAM speeds. Up to a certain point of course
When you accidentally join a chess club.
The official fl studio TH-cam account commented on a Linus video
Wow
I'd love for this to be revisited today (May 2016) ...
Dario D'Aversa watching in January 2019
i was a little surprised by how close they actually were, especially considering quad channel ops. but also, 2133 ddr3 is a very high clock that most mainstream boards will not run without overclocking setups (most will use 1600 or 1866 natively), and the 2400 speed ddr4 is a very LOW speed when compared with currently available sticks, upwards of 4000 speed (in 2017). i think if you were to do this very same test over with the same ddr3 but with the highest clock ddr4 out, we'd see some bigger gaps between the two
2019, last time I was in the market for a computer, I was looking between DDR3 and DDR2... Still have the laptop, it’s rocking Windows vista...
x79 Quad channel DDR3 and x99 Quad channel DDR4 would have been a better comparison IMO.
no shit. this is not apples to apples at all
Actually it wouldn't have. Ivy-e CPUs on x79 are too different from HSW-E CPUs on x99
LinusTechTips
Ah point taken. Anyway, carry on :)
LinusTechTips sebasaus REKT
***** he r3k7 'em
Call me crazy if you want, but i prefer the "ugly" ram without heatspeader than those sexy agressive ram D:
Alban Veshti i heard that a lot of these "agressive" looking ram heatsink come unstuck over time as they are not pressed down mechanically and just glue on, so when the thermo glue breaks the bond and doesn't transfer heat as well the headsink becomes more of a liability because it traps heat onto the ram stick.
OnlineBackupServices Wow, i'm really satisfacted for owning ugly ram sticks :D
Alban Veshti You can always remove the aluminium covering the stick
***** Yeah, but i don't have the screwdriver to remove the heatsink D:
+Alban Veshti Kingston Value Ram has no heatsink!
when you realise you are watching this video on a PC using ddr2 ram
Bro are you still on that ddr2 ? i hope you upgraded
@@vulcan2019 😭 bro i thought no one would ever ask. And yes i finally upgraded to DDR3
@@xiaora866 ddr3 is definitely nicer but in 2020 even ddr3 is kind of outdated considering the fact almost all modern mother boards use ddr4
@@vulcan2019 considering the fact i have a graphics card from a decade ago, i think it won't bottleneck anything 🤡
@@vulcan2019 you don't need faster ram speeds for gaming right now, and I don't see it happening in the next ~5 years. 16gigs of ddr3 is completely fine for all games. Not speaking of video rendering etc, of course.
now we have ddr5 kits priced at $399... the tech companies' planned obsolescence is getting out of hand. I'm still using a DDR3 system in 2022.
Watching this video in 2018, its pretty damn cool to see your progress from then to now. Linus your the man!
Jesus christ I felt all sorts of emotions seeing '4 yr ago' on a 2018 post, time flies too quick.
@@mr.donaldduckblowstrumpet6053 hahaha yeah man it sure does fly by. Good news though, we're all still above ground😂
Nothing earth-shattering here. Once again, if you're gaming, DDR3 RAM with a low CAS latency at 1600 is still pretty much ideal.
and for overclocking your cpu you cant use extremly overclocked ram anyway.
TheLordOfWar Unless you hit the jackpot
TheLordOfWar Even if you could, I don't think it's going to matter. It's the least effective most effective rule. The least effective piece of hardware ends up having the most effect on your performance. If your ram is overclocked to 3000, it doesn't matter how many millions of clock cycles a second the information is being processed if the timings delay the information on the back-end.
I'm pretty sure Linus already did a test of various DDR3 sticks, and the higher speed ram performed almost exactly the same as lower speed ram and in some cases slower, because the latency was higher.
Dialectical Materialism The higher speed ram performed almost exactly the same as lower speed ram and in some cases slower?
He said that? Unfortunately, both lost your bets there! You're totally wrong there, and yes I know what's CAS is all about and I use terabyte-scale DDR3 RAMs in various machines (over 300).
I know this video is old, but is DDR4 really worth it? I'm building a new PC for gaming and video editing for my channel, but have a strict budget of around £850-900 and adding DDR4 takes the price up to £1k. Should I wait until I can afford DDR4 or just go with my original build?
Go with your original build. From what I've been seeing, DDR4 won't be worth it for at least another year. By the way, what is your original build ?
abdulaziz almubailesh This is my original build: uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/7NM9FT
I already have a 290x and a 750w XFX power supply. Paints are for the case and 290x so I can get a nice black/white theme going. Cables are to improve aesthetics.
Looks well thought out. I sincerely don't have anything to add. Have fun putting it together, and post some screenshots if you can. :)
KinglyMuch nice build but instead of the 290x i would go with an gtx970. The i7 works better with nvidia gpus :) But at all nice build, could tell me smth about the liquid cooler u choosed? I dont know if I should go with the Corsair 105t or with your nxzt
EPICZ
Do people really still believe this old myth? There is no genuine evidence that Intel CPUs work better with Nvidia GPUs, or that AMD GPUs work worse with Intel CPUs.
Nobody:
TH-cam recommendations in 2020: *YEET*
YEET
Yeet
Nah i looked this up but YEET anyways
@@xXNeganSmithXx yes, i use ddr3
I'm happy that I could still use DDR3 since my motherboard doesn't support DDR4.
that’s like saying you have a sandwich but it doesn’t have the ingredients of another sandwich. Ddr3 and Ddr4 are both architectures for motherboards. Just like it doesn’t make sense to say “My maxwell gtx card doesn’t support pascal”
@@bakenbacongaming4255 except ram and sandwiches are two different things 😉
In real life, i think the capacity of RAM matters much more than the speed and bandwidth in Gaming. 4GB and 8GB will be a big difference for recent Hard Core games.
+Cheng Guo I'd prefer 8GB of 2100Mhz RAM than 16GB of 1333MHZ (for gaming)
+Cheng Guo Yeah, one of my RAM chips broke a while back, so I was down to 4GB instead of 8GB until the replacement arrived. The difference was noticable right away, especially in games like Borderlands, which started stuttering like crazy.
+acalarmarrrr I wouldent preferr that.
2000+ Mhz ram does throw away Lantacy in order to get more hertz witch is not worth it!! 1866mhz ram is the sweet spot u will get, 1600-1866 is the best speed of ram u can get at the moment (for gaming)
Some individuals focus on the speed- like 1866 mhz is better than 1600 mhz.
You must factor the latency in as well. (CAS/frequency) x 2000 gives you a number in nanoseconds for comparing speeds.
Say you see a 1600 kit at 7-8-7-20 and a 1866 kit at 9-10-9-28 which is faster?
Well 7/1600 x 2000 = 8.75 nanoseconds; 9/1866 x 2000 = 9.646 so the 1600 kit actually looks quicker
Some basic gamers just think "bigger and more is better"- but you must research and crunch numbers - especially when calculating the specs for your machine. Are you not worth taking the time to get the most performance at the most reasonable cost?
+Cheng Guo I think the same. It actually bugs me that there's no big improvement. I would actually like to see increase in performance. The same goes for the new Skylake cpu's, also no big improvement in performance.
I need to update my computer. When I do it will be like going from a Model A to a spaceship.
JLConawayII just go here www.downloadmoreram.com/
you'll find what u need
That intro is old it has gone through a lotta changes which finally get us to the latest 3d rendered intro
I'm from 2020 now that the opening music is dope, but this one wasn't really that bad 👀
if im prettymuch only gaming is it worth it to spend the extra $100 on an i7 4790k, or would it be fine to go with the i5 4690k?
Well, the i7 4790k is way better when it comes to overclocking and heatdisapation. Even at stock this thing runs at 4.0ghz and with turboboost even 4.4ghz. And it got a little bit more cache. i would go with the i7 4790k especially since the temperatures are way more tameable which is pretty important when you overclock it, which you surely will do if you buy an unlocked processor.
No. Games don't need hyperthreading.
Ranziel1 They benefit from it tho. Most games these days support 8 threads. Since games only utilize about 30% of each thread you will notice an difference, especialy in games with alot of physics or AI. Depending on the games it can make a bigger or smaller impact on the performance.
Depends on your money. But... I would go with i5. Even with i3... if you don`t get a gtx 780. (And you are short on money).
Vandré Borba Trevisan Ferreira money isnt really the issue but i obviously dont want to spend more than i need to, especially when as far as i was aware the i7 wasnt a whole lot better for gaming (i do some video rendering too, but thats not a big deal really)
Im still using ddr3 ram this 2019
Me too
Same, but not for long lol
Me too
Same
ddr3 (16gb) today, dont feel a need to upgrade my mobo/ram/cpu to watch pretty graphics when it's all about storyline or to watch movies
So DDR4 is mainstream now. i know DDR2 is starting to become ridiculously expensive due to low supply - should i snatch up some DDR3 now, or is it still lowering in price?
Several thousand Bees yeah
Aidan Kozak
"should i do this thing or the other thing"
"yes"
ok
It really depends on how much of it you're getting and if you plan on upgrading your CPU (and in extension, your motherboard) soon or not. My Intel i5 4460 and ASRock H97M PRO4 (combined with my GTX 950) give me a better gaming experience than any console I could buy (which was pretty much the goal of my build in the first place), and my 8GB stick of DDR3 RAM is working well, although I might get another stick due to requirements for newer games coming out. If you're just planning on keeping hardware for a while (and if your current CPU/Motherboard combo supports DDR3 RAM), I would snatch up a bit more DDR3. No need to go overboard and buy 64GBs of it, though (also double check how much RAM your motherboard can handle).
I'm confused. Are you still running DDR2? Because DDR2 has been obsolete since 2007 so idk why you're mentioning it.
And frankly if you're still running DDR2 it's about time to upgrade.
Actually it was about time to upgrade 10 years ago.
if i'm asking about buying DDR3, i've obviously got a machine that utilizes it. I was using DDR2, DDR3's predecessor, as an example as to what's going to happen to DDR3 if i wait too long.
ram speed is never the performance bottleneck.
it is the size that matters.
matt lam Even then there are limitations. If you are lacking in RAM, you will experience performance drops, but it seems as if, based off Linus' other benchmarks, having MORE than enough RAM doesnt do anything for performance compared to having enough.
Less = shit fps
enough = fine fps
more than enough = exactly the same as enough
Liber Tar exactly.
that's why not many people go 64G or 128G these days.
32G is enough in most of the cases
matt lam 8gb is enough in most cases. 16gb is safe, whereas anything above that is kinda just burning money
This is about gaming strictly though. Other applications are a different story
Liber Tar well...
the game i play (kerbal space program) eats a lot of ram cos i have quite a few mods installed... it preloads everything into the ram
8G isnt enough for me
but yes i agree 8g is enough in most cases
matt lam NO! TODAY YOU NEED MAX.. (gb RAM )
Who else is watching this after DDR5 coverage by Linus ?
Same lol
your mom
Same lol
In recommendations after 6 years...
Same here 😅
Nope building a optiplex 3020
@1:00 - skylake CPUs support both DDR3 and DDR4. Some manufacturers like Asrock have Skylake Z170 motherboards that require DDR3 and even boards that support BOTH (Asrock H170 COMBO)
Once again, Linus teaches us that numbers sometimes mean nothing in real world performance.
I miss that intro and these kinds of videos
How do you have the ltt logo?
@@gerardonavarro3400 it's a paid subscription perk let me see if I can find a link
@@gerardonavarro3400 Here th-cam.com/users/LinusTechTipsmembership There are different badges depending on how long you've been a member up to 24 months, I'm 19 days from the 24 month one.
@@nekogod oh cool
anyone watching this after the DDR5 video? :P
Linus, you under stated the importance of cache size. a small cache size can have drastic effects on process that can easily mask the ram! mishandling cache can cause processes that normally take fractions of seconds to last for minutes. (my personal tests shows a simple square root that takes usually about 350 cycles can slow down to 300k cycles delay easily
You need to make some more dumber version videos so I can understand this
i read your comment in patrick stars voice
I would like but it’s 69 so there
I personally think DDR4 is not needed at all. Only for those who truly need it making movies, rendering, but more than that it is not needed for normal consumers.
***** DDR4 will be always useless if you ask me, not cuz of price. It is not a big deal in mhz since there are some limitations on the computer. As for the rendering thing, i just have heard about it so i think i might be mistaken when i wrote the comment. Now I wouldnt even switch to ddr4 for free.
***** I want to tell you something. I switched from ddr1 to ddr3 and the differences weren't that big. The biggest differences were when I switched cpu and gpu. Mobo switches, ram switches, sound card switches i saw a difference of near zero. The biggest problem with ddr4 is that you have to switch entire PC, same thing i did with ddr1 to ddr3. (from single core to quad and it wasn't so big because i switched from xp to windows 7 and things got way more demanding.)
***** Adobe programs can use 24GB RAMM!
overlord580 Can you provide a link to where it says it can use 24GB ram?
I sincerely don't think that any of them would ever need this much of ram, maybe 3ds Max would be amazing, but when even games don't use this much, it would make no sense. (Watch Dogs does use more than 4GB ram though)
Another Games When you need more prog. running at the same time, ...
cant wait till this comes out
Nice graphs. Maybe it would have ben convenient to write out which one is DDR3 and which one is DDR4
I have 24 gigs of DDR3 ram, hoping to stick with them for a long time.
fausto412 you will
@@Alex420DT 24gb here on ddr3
24GB of DDR3 should last you atleast until DDR5, and maybe DDR6
DDR4 has 33% more gen than DDR3. That's all you need to know!
I want this guy to build my next PC
"up to 4 way SLI support"
Oh man... those were the days...
This was 6 years ago.... So this is what getting old feels like.
Working 9 till 5 what a way to make a living!
How do we sell more shit
“. Drop the voltage and name it ddr4”
But I really like to compare apples and oranges. It's much more fun.
If you can get a good deal on a ddr3 motherboard with a good processor in late 2018 go for it if you’re on a budget it will save you $$$$ if you just want something to game on that’s better than a console
How come you didn't use X79 so you could run quad channel DDR3?
So he could used the same cpu architecture. With both chips being based on haswell, it eliminates another variable in testing.
So DDR5 gonna take time to settle atleast for a few more years to come and maybe I'll come here again after 5 years when ddr6 releases:)
So equal frequency and latency DDR3 compared to DDR4 will perform the exact same?
I would also like to add that this was supposed to be an apples to apples comparison but using different frequencies or latencies is NOT apples to apples.
Linus: Which is faster... DDR3 1600Mhz vs DDR4 1600Mhz (or any frequency) both with the same latency. Its that simple. Please answer that question.
At the same frequency DDR3 is faster but they dont have the same frequency. Thats the point. You cant compare them by that.
DDR3 2400mhz+ is still fast... and a lot of the latencies are still pretty good and about the same it's the some and major Bandwidth differences.
I just built a computer for my wife a couple of weeks ago (march 2019). As she does play the latest AAA titles but mostly MMOs like Guild Wars 2 I dicided to go with last gen hardware completely. I got her an MSI Z97 gaming 3, 16 GB of G.Skill RipjawsX DDR3 2133 Mhz, an i7-4790k and an MSI GTX 1660ti gaming X (granted that one is new but it is cheap enough that there was no need for an older card in my opinion). And I can safely say that the system runs really well. It even runs games like Star Citizen on high details without breaking asweat. And I didn't even overclock it, but just went with the XMP profile for the RAM and the standard boost for the CPU. I bought everything but the GPU used so the complete system (other than the PSU and the case which I had laying around) for around 550,- €. Edit: And the 550,-€ even include me fucking up royaly by buying the wrong RAM first. I first got HyperX Savage not realizing that it needs 1,6V... stupid me.
What is better gtx 745 and i 5 4660 or r7 265 fx 6350??
i would think it would be the i5.
***** can you explain how (my friend says alienware x51 is better than my pc build)
***** I would say 4660 and R7 265
rcflyer182 Well i only had 800 dollars
You realise that alienware is overpriced, underpowered bullshit for what you pay
prices have evened out
Now we have DDR5...
Linus please revisit this topic in a new video comparing DDR4 to DDR5
i7 4790k MASTER RACE
Yup that's the processor I got and it's a beast
Alan Naranjo you should be good with an i5 I got an i7 because I wanted to go all out but not too much..
preach up nigga
Core 2 duo e6300
***** Same with my 980ti's
Edit: oh wait... X? gg
did he say "quallcum" insteal of "Quallcom"?
He makes 'other' vids (wink) in between computer tech vids, hence the green screen to cover the mess. I think even his shirt could be digitally applied.
King SHIIFT oh sweet jesus, or on his keyboard, you'll see strange splotches 😂
He isn’t in front of a green screen... it’s a set
DDR4 vs DDR3 and I’m watching this on a computer with DDR2 ram
Deutsche Demokratische Republik
@@Beaks-gw2iz Wir hatten nur eine. Ich weiß nicht woher die Idee kommt, wir hätten 4 davon ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Same here today.
immediate question: How much of a difference does the CPU cache size make? Is there an apples to apples comparison for that?
So basically... We just spend more money for the high frequenzy and the DDR4 branding but we ain't getting any performance increases. Only difference from DDR3 is that it draws less volts.
What a complete waste in my opinion! I ain't going to switch to DDR4 untill there's some decently priced CPU's available on the market, which is the only thing that would increase performance but that would've happened without DDR4 anyway.
Seems like introducing DDR4 was just a way for RAM manufacturers to raise their prices.
I saw a bunch of pretty colored bars,
Your really comparing apples to apples. But this memory enables the new choice of CPU. With their specs and their memory bandwith. So it is comparing apples with bananas saying the banana is a apple. Now i am hungry, just eat the apples, until the banana is sweater.... Or just wait until they made pineapple memory... Jummie... But this is somehow serious
This video confirms my assumption, that still today in 2019 my DD3-Triple Channel Ram @1600MHz is in most cases still ok. And yes, I am a nostalgic fanboy of old X58 systems :-)).
Agreed, I still use DDR3 system with Dual Channel support at 1600 and it can still deliver great performance for my gaming. Not worth to upgrade system when there is only 1 or 3 fps gains. 🤔
If the AMD APUs support DDR4
There will be a huge peeformance boost by about 25%+
AMD will not use DDR4 memories until 2016-17, according to their roadmap.
megaspeed2v2 Common Sense
Diego Carrasco Until this day...I think it's a lie
megaspeed2v2 Plus..APU isnt that strong as dedicated gpu so expect that performance
***** They must produce it by next year before APU is just a waste..they should rebrand the Kaveri with DDR4
Try ddr3 vs ddr4 vs ddr5 ?
today in my country ddr4 is cheaper that ddr3
Ddr 4 is a new technology.My old laptop Acer core 2 p8700 cpu 512 mb gpu and 8 gb ddr3 1066-1333 mhz ram supported.İm buying Dell inspiron 3593 i3 1005g1 laptop and upgrading ram 4 gb to 16 gb ram.İ feel the power of newer technology.
I bought an AMD FX9550 back in 2013. My power cpu power cord melted, into the motherboard last week, which happened right after a big windows update to 1909. Right after that update my computer began crashing a lot, I'm not 100% saying it was the update, but very odd timing. I kept turning it back on, but was struggling to uninstall the update, and then I smelt that burning smell, and saw the browness, and a bubble in the power cord right where it plugs into the motherboard. I had already placed an order for a new Ryzen 9 3900x, and was planning to upgrade. I would already have been gaming on that machine, but I realized I needed DDR4 memory, and I couldn't simply use the memory I already had. I thought this was brand new, but here's this video from 6 years ago. That machine seems to have really lasted. Now I need a new power supply just to be safe, while I wait for my parts to arrive, I'm back on a AMD Phenom II x6 1090T, that I built in 2010. I threw in my GTX 1060 graphics card, and my additional 4 usb 3.0 pci card, but due to lacking instruction sets, I can't seem to play COD Warzone, or VR Pokwer Stars, though I think my rig could manage power wise.
I was thinking about building a new machine, just so I could get the new Flight Simulator 2020. After pricing out all of the new components, it hit me that I have perfectly good lGA 1150 and lga 1155 socket computers both with core i7 processors, 16gigs of ram and ssd drives. My concern was whether the ddr3 in both my machines would hold me back significantly. But based on what you demonstrated, I just decided my machines would do fine. I'm just going to put an SSD with Windows 10 on it, next to the hard drive with windows 7, then shift back and forth. Thanks for doing this report.
black PCB- +5% overclock
Oh lol nowadays it's RGB +10% performance
this is a clickbait i thought this is apple comparison video :/
i have 16gb ddr3 and i5 4690 ang gtx 1060, still works really well in modern games
Well, I wouldn't stick with it any longer than another year and a half unless you do only light gaming
I have ddr2… still.
My best computer has ddr3
Now in 2018...
Still running DDR3 RAM.
And I thought I was alone
Ddr4 doesn't justify it's price
Not alone brother
Just brought new life to my 8gb ddr3 2nd gen Sandy Bridge 2320 by changing the HSF (the stock HSF was so clogged up after 6 years it overheated under the lightest load) also added a RX 560 video card, should be good for another 5 years - maybe I should add another 8gb ram
It's 2020 and I'm still using DDR3 😢
just bought another 8gb ddr3 stick lol, lets wait for ddr5 :D.
Just purchased a new pc...
Its ddr3
(I feel like Its a meme..)
@@pyrofania Dude, anything with DDR3 prob is an office PC, might wanna wait for DDR5 at this point in time though.
I'm still kickin' it with an FX-8350, 16g Gskill RipjawX DDR3 , and a GTX1060 SSC 6g. No fumbles here. As much as I'm chomping at the bit to go ahead and get the 1800X I've been drooling over, with the ASUS Crosshair VI Hero MB, I want to see some pricing stability? Could be a long wait.
I have a question whats better 2GB of DDR5 or 2GB of GDDR5
DDR5 doesn't even exist yet and GDDR5 is graphics memory
Absolutely Braggadocious Um well i found a graphics card with 2GB DDR5 i was gonna buy but i also found a GDDR5 so it exsist.
Graphics cards have graphics memory on them.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Research first.
Absolutely Braggadocious ***** OminousPineapple www.staples.ca/en/Zotac-ZT-70605-10H-GeForce-GTX-750-Ti-Graphics-Card-2GB-DDR5/product_1385644_1-CA_1_20001
go to that link i didnt know DDR5 exsisted either but it does.
DDR3 was a minor improvement over DDR2, and DDR4 seems to be the same story.
damn ddr4 was already used 6yrs ago , and me 2020 still using ddr3!! ughhh
It's 2019 and I'm still rocking an Intel 4790K with G.Skill RipjawsX 2133 ram.. paired with a GTX 1080
Same. I'll probably upgrade for ddr5.