Setting up AS3X and SAFE with Forward Programing-AR631-AR630 by FGFRC
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- Well you installed a new AR630 or a AR631 but how do you set up SAFE and AS3X? How does Forward Programing work? In this video I explain in simple terms how to set up SAFE and AS3X using Forward Programing with my Spektrum NX10.
00:00 intro and scenario
02:23 flight mode
06:04 start forward programing
08:29 set orientation
10:58 flight mode activated
11:48 SAFE is working!
12:04 Just AS3X!
12:34 How to fix the AS3X
16:30 Verify it all!
17:01 Summery
19:27 Factory Reset?
21:10 conclusion!
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I delayed putting this out until I was confident in my procedure of doing it first.
U did just fine sir!👍 Harder to explain than to actually do.
Very good video, I was stuck with no safe select (only as3x). Thank you so much.
Loved it. Best ever slow, and distinct. The repetition is good.
That helped me so much, home built cub now has safe mode! For me, I set it on it's nose but got orientation 5, which confused me for a few till I realized that it was referring to the orientation of the receiver and how it was mounted in my plane. It was fine, I just mounted my receiver in a different orientation than you did. Thanks so much, now I can fly it finally!
SO GLAD YOU DID THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE NOBODY DOES IT BETTER THAN YOU ❤ SAVED MY LIFE 😊
Wow. Well explained. I cant believe Spektrum makes things so complicated. Thanks for the video.
Glad you liked it! I am self taught so I does these from that perspective!
I find myself coming back to this video every time I need to program a receiver. I just programmed an AR631 receiver. I love this video.
Glad I could help
I could never get AS3X set up properly for almost a year. Now I know how. You have the only YT video I have seen that mentions fixed/adjustable gains. Thanks so much. Keep up the good work.
Glad to help, that is one of the reasons for the channel.
OMG. I love your videos. You are one of the most under rated person in the TH-cam RC plane world. Keep on doing your great job. Thank you again for giving us such comprehensible video.
Wow, thanks! My purpose with this channel is to present the hobby from a self taught point of view. And show what I have learned both good and bad so new pilots will not make the same mistakes or spend money unnecessarily.
@@FatGuyFliesRC I have tried this with my Conscendo & my Timber Evo and I just get one option my forward programming. Is it because it was previously bound?
I have watched several videos on setting up 631 and 637T before I did them. Now I know why they were not correctly setup. Thank you for the great video.
All but the 637 are tuff. 637 rx's are best for needing a gyro.
Glad to help
Thanks for a great and easy to understand video. The best one ive seen!! Thank you.
Wonderful, wonderful video!! So very helpful for this newbie trying to set up my first PNP plane from FMS.
Glad it was helpful!
@@FatGuyFliesRC It sure was and I love your channel. Keep up the great work!
This is the best RC instructional video I've seen on TH-cam. I would of never figured this out on my own. Thank you!
Wow, thanks!
Newly back into RC planes after over 10yrs, this video was super helpful, thank you so much for your help, Simon :0)
Glad it helped!
Thank you for putting this together, the other videos didn't have the details you provided for AS3x
Glad it was helpful!
Once again Greg, I use your FWD Pro. guide to check all my settings each time. I just yesterday received the new XFLY TWINLINER. I think I am one of the first to get this great model & have posted an unbox/Assembled video. I just installed the AR630 into it & again following your guide. Looking fwd to flying it as soon as the wind dies down here in our Aussie Autumn. Thank you again Greg.
So glad this video helps !!
Great video. I was about to take ar631 & DX8 back to HobbyTown and pay them to set it up. I was sooo frustrated and mad at Spektrum for not saying a thing about this anywhere. Your video was long enough to cover the subject, not the least boring. Again, Thank You!😊
Glad I could help
Directions are in the receiver packet, this is much easier though.
Just bought an A630 Rx. As always you are the first stop on TH-cam for me. Thanks from the UK for your skill, enthusiasm and just your general way of being - much appreciated!
Thanks so much!!
Thank you for showing the NX10 up close which is what I have as well. I appreciate you helping us out with the set up procedures.
Glad it was helpful!
AIN'T EASY STARTING OUT THESE VIDEOS ARE THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD 😊 MUCH APPRECIATED
You are so welcome
Dozens of videos and yours is the most informative of them all. Thank you!
Glad to help!!
You are the best like always. Have a great day, and thanks for all of your help. Great flying as well.
Thanks, you too!
@FatGuyFliesRC You really help me out. I was having issues with my Ar631 until I watched this video. Well explained and well done. Thx
@@Royshanger Thats why I do it. Thank you1
there are many guys explain as3x and save mode setup but u are my favorite, good job thy
Thanks so much, I try to put it into words from a self taught point of view.
Brilliant - frustration was getting the better of me till I watched this video. All up and running now ready to go !!!
And yet another reason for my channel! So glad I could help you!
Great video! I had issue where SAFE worked, but AS3X did not. Had to change the Adj/Fixed to Fixed. Thanks!!!
Glad it helped!
You are a legend brother! I couldn't get this figured out at all. Definitely subscribing! Thank you so much!
Well thank you! I really appreciate that!
I always refer to this video regarding AS3X and SAFE flight modes set up etc. Very helpful and much appreciated sir! Thank you.
Very welcome
Hugely helpful! Thanks for sharing this insightful video. "Faith, Family and Friends", Agreed!
You are so welcome!
Thank you, sir. You are a very good teacher. Now I’m confident I can do this “before” I start. Respectfully
Glad to help.
Thank you so much for this! You've explained it in a way I can understand and implement that is better than a lot of tutorials out there.
Glad it was helpful! And you are most welcome.
Hi matie great walk through only person who make simple to understand a complex thing to do, cheers be rewatching as I set up👍
Awesome, thank you!
Thank you so much for explaining how to do it and why you did it. Instead of just saying do it this way. It was a way bigger help than any other video that I found so far
Glad it helped!
Great step-by-step. I was able to program my AR630 for both F-modes.
Glad it helped
Wow, I am glad you made this video! Thank you!
That's why I do it. To help others!
You sir are the most helpful flyer on TH-cam.. explained this setup better than anyone over at spektrum 😅
Well thank you!!!!
Thank you sir! This is the most straight forward and understandable step-by-step tutorial I have EVER seen on how to add AS3X to my non E-flite (FMS & Motion RC) planes.
I’ll confidently and economically install a simple AR-630 to every non E-flite plane I own.
Your 20-minute video is more succinct and informative than anyone out there.
God bless you! 😎👍🏼
You have a fan and new subscriber!
Well thank you so much!!!
What a terrific job of explaining and demonstrating forward programing. THANK YOU
Thanks so much. I hope it helped you!
Thank you for this. Helped me out a bunch. Very nice break down and it worked perfectly.
You're welcome!
1. You do not need to use the flight modes in the transmitter to control the flight modes in the receiver. They are not necessarily related. All you need to do is go into "Channel Assign" and assign switch B to AUX2 and it will control the flight modes in the receiver. This will allow you to use the flight modes in the transmitter for other things, such as flight mode trims in each position of the flaps. In that case, you'd assign the flap switch (D) to the flight modes and enable the FM trims for aileron and elevator.
2. You were supposed to select the gain channel in the "First Time AS3X Setup", not the FM switch. If you had set up the gain channel on a knob (you can also use a 3-position switch, but it's more complicated), you would be able to adjust the AS3X gains in-flight. If you don't set up the gain channel then you MUST change the AS3X gains from adjustable to fixed. Otherwise, the AS3X gains will be zero.
3. Flipping the plane upside down and rocking it thru level does not prove AS3X or SAFE will correct in the proper direction. You must actually look at which way the control surfaces move. The ailerons will zip back and forth even if they are reversed. All you need to do is tilt the plane about 45° from upright level in each direction and make sure the ailerons and elevator move in the proper direction to return the plane to level flight. Basically, when you raise a wingtip, the aileron on that tip should deflect upward. And when you raise the tail, the elevator should deflect upward.
4. Run the "Relearn Servo Settings" routine after you make any changes to the servo direction, sub trim, or travel and recheck the control surface movements before flight.
5. Remove the propeller from electric planes until you're done setting them up. It does not hurt a brushless motor to run it without a prop on it.
Now this is EXACTLEY the kind of CONSTRUCTIVE feed back I and we all need! Thanks for the time you took to type this out. My procedure for setting it up this way was just me copying the official Spektrum tutorial on how to do it here or at least how I remember them doing it...lol: th-cam.com/video/R3jLUAd5dVM/w-d-xo.html
@@FatGuyFliesRC I posted a long comment on that video when I saw it 8 months ago. He missed a few things. I’ve been planning on making my own video on Forward Programming. I did make one on the AR636 which I’d like to redo. I’ve also been wanting to make one about the inverted wing-rocking “test”. I did make one once, but I might have deleted it. Spektrum’s AS3X/SAFE system works great, but even with Forward Programming there are many ways to mess up. Once you figure them out, they’re easy. Glad I could help..
I love it
@@brianbroady7539 I made a new video about testing AS3X/SAFE a week or so ago..
Wow... thanks for more explanations ❤❤
That was extremely helpful. I just set up my new Freewing T45 90mm. That was one hurdle you now made easy for me. Thx!!
Glad it helped!
thanks for the info also in your first time safe set up you can enable safe and as3x when you get to the screen that gives u factory safe limits and eliminate those last steps you took. its right above the factory safe limits you can select self leveling
Cool thanks.
Well explained, you simplified something I’ve been struggling with
Glad to help!
Thank you for helping me program my first AR631 receiver!
Glad to help!
Really useful video and my rx now working as I’d hoped, thank you! 😎
Glad it helped!
Thanks for this! Im new to the hobby and this content is extremely helpful
Glad to help!
Very well put together video I think explain and showed to detail exactly to fix I need it for my as3x flight mode to scenario thank you and keep up the good videos Happy flying
Glad to help!!
bought the ar631 yesterday and this vid is a great help, thx
Glad to be of service!
Very nicely done , a “go to “ video . Certainly worth saving Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
I am going to get either 630 or 631. And still can't decide which one to get. Thanks for great video and thanks for great questions, answers. ❤❤❤❤❤
I would get the AR631. I wouldn’t use an AR630 in anything larger than a park flyer.
i agree the AR631.
Complimenti!!! Ottimo video: chiaro, semplice, esaustivo, completo, preciso, educato, gentile, garbato, tecnico al punto giusto! Finalmente un video che ci dice come usare la meglio le nostre riceventi Spektrum! Bravissimo e grazie, grazie davvero! 🙂
Compliments!!! Excellent video: clear, simple, exhaustive, complete, precise, polite, kind, polite, technical at the right point! Finally a video that tells us how to best use our Spektrum receivers! Well done and thank you, thank you so much!
Thanks so much.
I use this video all the time now to set up my planes. Very easy to follow. Thank you.
Thanks that's why I do these kind of videos!
After many failed attempts to set safe and AS3X modes, your explanation was fantastic. You have another confirmed follower.
Awesome, thank you!
@FatGuyFliesRC Except my radio, in forward programming doe not show after select gyro, 1st time set up and I have been unable to get safe or AX3 setting.
Very good explanation that I haven't come across before and filled in some gaps for me. One critique I have is get yourself a clip on mic so we can still hear you properly when your farther than 2 ft away.
My issue with the mic is (i have one) then I cannot plug the phone into the screen (the big TX iI keep looking at) to see if I am in focus or not. so If I use the mic , I have to hope the video does not cut out. i have done entire unbox and assembly videos using the mic then only to find out later that the video cut out right after I started.
Hey Fat Guy, thank you for this video. I'm an old Futaba person that went to Taranis and OpenTx. I've outgrown them both and found my way to a Spektrum NX8 and an AR630. This video provided the stepping stone and the system was installed in my PNP eFlite T-28 1.1m. I followed your video to the tee and maidened my NX8 this morning with zero issues and just a couple of trim changes. Thanks again.
This the reason for the channel. Thanks!
Thank you for this tutorial. I was really struggling just using the supplied manuals (tx and rx) but as soon as I watched your explanation it all made sense. I haven't flown it yet but it all looks good.
I am self taught so I try to explain things they way I learn them..simply! Thanks for stopping by and please ask any question you have!
Golden hands, valuable advice, Thank you!
My pleasure!
Thank you so much!!! I have watched so many videos on the spectrum as3x / safe. You have FINALLY made it understandable! I am hoping this will work for me…several years ago I purchased a trainer with safe and almost immediately crashed it-what I have learned is how to rebuild planes…haha😂. I have lost track of how many planes I have built, or purchased and ended up crashing them. Thanks for your patience, and GREAT video!
Glad it helped!
Great Video! Super helpful! Thank you!
That why I do it! Thanks so much!!
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! First off, God Bless You Sir! After watching Skektrum and other videos and attempting many times over to get the AS3X working I came across your video. NOT ONE OTHER PERSON MENTIONED THE THROTTLE HAD TO BE PUT OVER 25% FOR THE AS3X TO WORK! I've been flying for many years and I'm a Spektrum guy but fairly new to AS3X receivers. I was seriously starting to think something was wrong with my DX9. Your video was incredibly helpful all the way through!
Something to note for more experienced/3D flyers is that if you choose to assign the gain to a rotary knob/slider, you need to make sure you switch the settings from fixed to adjustable in order for the in-flight gain adjustment to work.
Thanks again bud!
Pete
Well thank you! And yes , since I don't use the rotary knob then that is why I did not mention it. If I don't use something and have no experience with it then its not right to talk about it. lol
Wow you've cleared up something that was incredibly confusing for me. Thanks for the great video!
You're very welcome!
Good job thanks a lot, I’m starting to get back to this RC stuff and it’s a lot better where I was 10 years ago. Thanks again.🔧🚀🚀
Glad I could help
Thank you. I am new to the hobby and this video was very helpful!
You are so welcome!
Thank you, brother much, Aloha watched the video 10 times now. I'm doing my receivers like a champ. Thank you and mahalo.❤
Wonderful! You most welcome
Awesome video I've been trying for two days to get safe to work . Followed your video step by step now everything is great .
That is one of my main reasons for the channel to share what I have personally learned.
Hey, greetings from Germany, thanks for the video. It was the only guide I could find to properly program my AR631.
Best regards,
Joerg, Germany
Glad it helped
terrific video. thank you!
Glad it helped!
Hi, I've just followed your video on setting up AS3X and SAFE on my new Trojan T28. It all worked first time!! Many many thanks for explaining, in layman's terms, this somewhat complex procedure. All the vert from England, 🇬🇧 UK
Glad it helped
ThANK YOU so much fore that lesson. Could not have done it without you.
You're very welcome!
Nice vid....able to correct what i thought was wrong with the AS3X. Thanks!
Glad I could help!
This helped a lot! Thanks for the tutorial.
Glad it helped!
Hey fat guy your very informative you've helped me get reverse thust and now I've got asx3 on off setup correctly, many thanks to you. Happy days.
Glad to help and thanks.
Great explanation. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you very much as this was just what I needed for a plane I just acquired. You did well!
Glad I could help!
thank you sir.
very helpful.🇬🇧
Glad it helped
Thank you !! well explained procedure.
Glad you liked it
That was an amazing video. Thanks,
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for showing us the fixed gains solution. I was stuck for hours
I was stuck too until I just started trying to adjust and discovered it.
Thank you I've been trying to figure out my ar630 I bought brand new to put in my flight test scratch built planes and your video helped me to figure out how to get it working perfectly thank you so much 👍 on the replay my video step by step perfectly walked me through it
Glad I could help! That is one of the main reasons for my channel to review planes and pass on what I have learned!
great tutorial. I am waiting for my receiver to arrive next week. I will see if it works as in your video. TKS
For go the f mode setup and do it after you set up the gain channel.
I always refer to you video for a detailed foolproof set up. Many thanks again as i set up a new model today Cj-6
Glad to help
One of the most useful content for me, thx for helping me out.
Greetings from the Netherlands
Glad to hear it!
My brother I don't know what to say, but thank you thank you thank you. The way you explain it was so simple to set up. I did a factory reset cause all I had done was wrong. Thank you again may God Bless and keep you, take care and stay safe brother. Harvey
Thanks and God bless you also! helping others with this hobby is one of the reasons for this channel!
@@FatGuyFliesRC Thank you Bud.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VID !
One of the reasons for my channel. To pass on what I have learned.
Thanki you for the video, I have had to watch a bunch of them but now I think I have it
Glad to help!! Any question just comment in another video and I will do my best to answer!
Nice Job , I use a bubble level set on my battery shelf forward and sideways to be sure my model was spot on before I start my programming. Your video was spot on . Almost wishing I mounted my AR631 on the top side of my FMS SuperCub 1300m . Thinking how much easier it would be to slide those big 3200 mAh 50c packs in it. Mmmmm ?…. I may rethink this. 😊. I may do some fabrication so I can run my SMC racing hi voltage packs as far forward for good CG. They are a bit to fat to slide in and still close the hatch. A hobby that keeps on giving 😊
Yep ideas spawn more ideas!
Good Video, the other thing I do is set the knob to aux3 and use it form dynamic gain adjust while in flight......
Great tip!
You are a life saver for real thank you so much for this
Happy to help!
Great job thank you!
Thank you too!
Thank you so much, my brother much Aloha from Hawaii. I tell you the truth you're like a Big Brother. I wish I could move over there where you're at. I would come to your house every day. You are the kind of guy I like hanging around with, and you're one smart puppy, my name is Dwayne. What state do you live in? Have a great day?
I live in Central Florida. And thank you
Nice job!
it took me a long time to figure out forward programming and you did a nice job explaining it and highlighting the two or three issues that most people get stuck on.
The only thing that was not mention and I assume you purposely left it out because it is challenging was setting the gain which controls the amount of gyro deflection you get in AS3X.
When you set the gains to fixed I’m not sure what it defaults too, maybe the gain settings that are in the SAFE/AS3X mode (your mode one) which appears Ok based on the amount of movement I could see and hear
The way I was taught to set gains was to set the forward programming gain to adjustable then put the “adjustment” on your transmitter slider or knob for each control surface (ailerons, rudder and elevator) fly it with the gain at zero and turn the gain up until the control surfaces start to chatter and then slightly back them off and use that value (there is a feature in forward programming that allows you to lock in that value). Every plane is different and planes with larger control surface, for example a 3D plane, require less gain.
Also the rudder for example can take more gain than the aileron. This can be time consuming, complicated and challenging. Some folks set the gains for a sport plane to 30 and that seems to be a good starting point.
Anyway, you did a nice job and that will get the majority of people flying. Those who want to dial in their plane should look further into settings the gain values for the gyro (AS3X) for each control surface.
I enjoy watching your videos, please keep them rolling!
Tom
Thanks so much and yes you can use the knob to adjust the gains in flight. Lemon rx also supports this in some of there receivers. But my channel I try to appeal to new pilots and on the fly gains adjustments may seem very intimidating to a new pilot.
thanks. i was wondering about this
Glad I could help
Great video.
Thanks!!!!
this is agreat video thanks for making this. I have been wanting to know how to get this working.
Glad it was helpful!
These radios don't seem all that user friendly. I guess, once you spend enough time doing things over and over it will be easier to remember. But I'm sure glad we have you to explain this stuff. I don't think I would have the patience to learn this without being shown. Thank you for the class.
One of the reasons for the channel. Thank you!
nice work. Thank you, bradda, Aloha
Most welcome!
Good video. Next I want to be able to adjust my AS3X gains while in flight. 1st I need to be able to do it on my AR636A . I installed it in my Banshee 64mm after reprogramming it. Maiden flight went well. Now time to fine tune it and mechanically trim it out so it’s spot on without using trim tabs. I do this by trimming in flight . Then at home : power up without bumping throttle, pin all surfaces in place and the unhook each Clevis. Then zero all trims and mechanically adjust push rods to easily fit correctly into pinned in place surfaces. Works great. Next time I fly it may take a few laps for gyro to learn new settings but she won’t or should not need much trim now. 😊
should be very locked in now.
@Fat Guy Flies RC I hope so once I get it fine tuned.
Another thing , I truly appreciate is :Your Using a NX radio . Most of us can't afford that high end 20 channel AND WE DONT do a lot or any mixing. So glad your more down to earth than the other guy or guys that could do this video with their chest puffed out . Oh I forgot your ACTUAL name other then Fat guy. Mmmm. Maybe we brothers from another mother. LOL 👍
LOL, well I try to tell people to put the main investment in this hobby into the transmitter and get the most transmitter can afford. The planes will come and go but the transmitter is your bread and butter. The nx 8, and 10 are about the best as far as I tell with a refurbished or good dx9 being a strong choice also. Anything bigger and your just going for the flashy buttons and bragging. As far as being people of size....well WE EARNED OUR GUTS!!!!!....lol
I will tell you exactly what happened.
First, I used a 6s 3700 mAh batery on my 60 inches plane to make the basic set up of the moving surfaces, control throws, engine, etc., and everthing went perfectly. Then, for security reasons, (big prop on the nose), I decided to unplug this big battery and to use a 2s small lipo battery in order to work with the forward programming. I studied your video first because since several years I have not installed another AR 630 receiver in a plane. So, I turned my NX8 on, and then I inserted in the very first port my 2s battery ( with the proper conector of course). This first port is labeled bind/program.
The receiver started with the blinking orange light. This was what happened. Since then, every time you turn on your tx and then conect the real 6S battery, the ar630 start with the blinking orange light. And keeps this condition. You are forced to go into the binding mode into the tx in order to get the system working. After the flight, when you remove your used battery and install a new, charged battery, the situation is the same. You turn on the NX8, then connect the new 6S battery and the receiver goes inmediatly into blinking light ( bind mode). You need to go into the biding mode in the tx, you press the binding, and the system work again, ready for another flight.
Thank you for your help !!
Mario
In forward programing at the first screen to you see other options at the end of the list. If so this receiver needs a factory reset. Purchase yourself a spektrum programing cable. And with this you can open this option up by updating and spektrum smart receiver that normally has forward programing.
@@FatGuyFliesRC I think that what we're missing here is that he is plugging something into the bind port so yes, the receiver goes into bind mode . He needs his battery power going into any port EXCEPT the bind port. Hint, just take the prop off and work with his 'normal' battery. ??
good job big guy !
Thank you!!
I actually prefer to keep AS3X as adjustable and assign it to a knob. That way you can tune AS3X for that particular plane inflight. Crank it till it oscillates then back down some. Most planes i use 1X AS3X but on one i had to use 4X AS3X because it needed more AS3X. Also i turn AS3X off on flight mode 3. Its more of a safety thing. Incase the gyro starts acting up (maybe receiver got loose) or sometimes i just want to fly without any gyro so just flip to Flight mode 3 and fly old school.
This is an older video I assign it to a knob now also to keep it in flight adjustable also.
BRILLIANT video once again. Really clear thanks for that. Just one thing……… I’ve bought the cirrus sr22t and the nx8, the cirrus is BNF with as3x and optional safe so is all this done already? Or do I still need to do what you just did in your video?
Sorry I’m still learning all this stuff.
No the BNF is ready you will just need to use forward programming to tell the tX where you want SAFE select at.
@@FatGuyFliesRC thanks for that I’ll see if there’s a video on the the difference between BNF and pnp set ups.
Thanks ☺️
You're welcome!
Very good and clear video👌Could you please explain deeper the differences in between Flight mode 1,2 and 3? Following step by step your video, mode 1 is working perfectly but mode 2 and 3 gyro is not working at all🙄: I have an AR630. Where I should look at? Thanks for your help
For flight mode 2 and 3 make sure as3x is set to fixed and that you have run up the throttle to over 25% to activate it.
Thank you!!
You're welcome!