The Father of Modern Comedy
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- Obviously, comedy is all derivative from some point in the past, but I believe the recent surge in Post-Ironic Meta-Humor is due to the influence of Tim Heidecker. Don't believe me? Well, that sucks, because I just asked my mom and she said I'm right, sorry!
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Man it's weird for someone to frame Tim Heidecker as someone you "might not know". I'm having a very hard time coping with being old. 😔
I'm terrible sorry! One day I'll probably have the same feeling with John Mulaney or Bo Burnham or something!
Lmao same tho
yeah, I have a hard time coping with you being old too :(
@@cameronvanhook7388 it sucks, right!?
I'm a tad bit younger than Tim, the fact he's being revered as the father of a style of comedy indeed makes me feel fcking ancient lol
I’m still on the jury for the Tim Hydecker trial, 6 yrs and counting
use cinco e-trial
Tim and Eric along with the rest of the Adult Swim lineup shaped my taste in comedy to what it is today.
100% agree. Ebaumsworld too
isn't adult swim outstanding ? it's awesome.
same here and i dont know if thats a good thing lol
@@orugnet hey O, glad you replied. Im very ill but AS still tickles my sense of humor. A sense of humor is vitally important in this shitty post trump world. Much love from western ny usa.
Congratulations your taste in comedy is Reddit.
'On Cinema at the Cinema' might be my vote for funniest Internet series of all time
Tim and Eric is the only true way to find out if they're a keeper
happy birthday, spray, i'm disappointed in you
I also believe that a really big component of Heideckers comedy is his editing (Dougs) and mise-en-scene and cinematography. His productions consistently nail the feeling of each skit he tries to convey, like a rad tv show from late 90s mtv, or a Carl Sagan like documentary, or myriad of infomertials, and the list goes on. The fact that his productions nail those various formats so good elevates his jokes exponentially, in my opinion.
exponential myriad of mise-en-scene
8 minutes into this and no mention of Douggpound. He’s as much t&e as tim is and arguably more responsible for what’s currently funny in the realm of tv and video. See Eric Andre and half of what’s popular on yt
Came here to praise Doug too. He’s the best.
Yeah, his comedy has always been about A) amazing editing B) good line delivery
Came here to say this.
The 1st time i was introduced to Tim and Eric i was on mushrooms. We had just taken them and only watched 2 episodes becase i was having trouble breathing and to this day i have never laughed so hard in my life.
I can’t even imagine that! Their content already makes you feel high!
Yeah.. 1st time I saw it was like 4am at an after party... It's like the best stuff to put on if u want ppl to go home.
Oh man, there's nothing like being higher than you've ever been in your life, watching something more bizarre than you've ever seen in your life, going, am I high or is this high??
@@mcharbo8726 i've always found thus spake zarathustra will clear a room as quick as the bible
@@davidg11235 maybe you kids are ready to step up to the hard spit. you ever watch a blood fart? pffr! the darkest of all adult animation (that doesn't suck): wondershowzen, xavier renegade angel and the shivering truth. squares have told me it makes 'em feel like they're going insane. if you don't know, you'll see
With comedies like Tim Heidecker in them, you can’t lose.
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As a Hobbit-head I have to disagree
And a miniature Pair of Ray Ban Sunglasses in honor of that real American hero, Decker! @@Parrotchuter
I think Tim Heidecker can be very funny, but the overwhelming majority of people influenced by the Tim & Eric style are embarrassingly unfunny. The major difference being that Tim's humor most often has many layers and intentions behind it, and the imitators generally just do surface-level "random/awkward" nonsense because they can't actually think of anything funny to do, say or write.
Yeah I bet there’s a lot of truth to that
Exactly. I see people dismiss Tim and Eric as just being random humor, but it's incredibly hard to replicate that style.
Didn’t they have an episode spoofing these types? The “g4” network guys with goatees?
yep I totally agree with this
@@alexrangel5614Jim and Derrick?
I was born in 1984 and done stand up. Which means I’m qualified to say that Elder Millennial joke made a part of me die.
I'm a smack dab in the middle of the millennial generation and I still died
I'm old enough to remember finding Tom Goes to the Mayor airing on Adult Swim back in '04. So glad younger generations are finding T&E. Long live the number one handsome boys
kid, i'm old enough i watched the simpsons when it was still on tracy ullmann and beavis and butthead on liquid television
you're welcome, btw
@@intellectually_lazyCool story, bro
@@intellectually_lazyWelcome for?
I actually died laughing at that 'liberal store' joke.
r.i.p.
I loved that one too. I chuckled
No lie
I just keep trying to picture what kind of haircut it even is 🤣
This is a beautiful homage to such a brilliant creator. I still wear my "rats of to ya" shirt from Tom Goes to The Mayor. Great video buddy.
Oh man now I gotta find some Tim and Eric merch brb
Glad you liked the video!
it's too bad that that Awesome Muffin killed him........tsk tsk
_Who's there please?_
Uhh.. it's Tom Peters
_Hey Tom_
real mfers know Tom Goes to The Mayor
Holy isht I forgot about that show
I hated Tim and Eric when it was relevant. Then one day it just clicked with me and I binged the shit out of it. Good stuff.
yep except I haven’t really binged it per se. but once it clicked for me I definitely was more prone to laugh because I understood the goal of the way they were doing it a little bit better and I watched it slightly more often than before.
Same. I loved watching AS when I was young but hated T & E. I always turned the channel when it came on. But I gave it another chance a few years ago and my opinion completely changed. I don’t think my mind was jaded and cynical enough to appreciate the genius of T & E when I was kid.
i didn't really like tom goes to the mayors, but you know, when a show is new and you see the first ep a million times. the first time i saw t&easgj! it was the hamburger ep (my second favorite 'til this day. number one is, obviously, breadheads) so freaking awesome. so stupid, and yet, the pinnacle of evolution in comedy. sometimes i wonder what aristophanes would think
@@jdailey01230 ja, i was simultaneously too old and too young for pee wee's playhouse, i still can't stand it, but pee wee's big adventure was good, but that's probably the tim burton in it. well, off topic, but kinda analogous
As much as I love Tim and Eric, Bob Odenkirk is really the Father of Modern comedy. If you go back and look at Mr. Show, quite literally EVERYTHING that Mr. Show did that was absolutely outrageous for the time has now come true.
facts
That one sketch where David is Tatiana, the weather hermaphrodite. Or Bob is Terry Twillsdine, (British accent) "I videotape coppers arresting roustabouts!" God that show is incredible.
the Tom Green Show came before Mr. Show.
@@tappajavittu Yes it aired one year earlier, but Mr show was straight sketch comedy whereas the Tom Green show was a talk show hybrid.
Bob is also friends with Tim and Eric, and has been for years. David Cross too. They are in the Tim and Eric productions often, because of this.
Tim’s “7th annual on cinema at the cinema Oscar special” might be one of the funniest things I’ve very seen I encourage everyone to watch.
THE JOKER STRIKES AGAIN!
I'm a 5th Annual On Cinema at the Cinema Oscar Special kinda gal myself.
On Cinema At The Cinema is the most brilliant comedic project maybe of all time...but it feels kind of impossible to introduce anyone to it at this point. Hard to tell any of my other friends in their mid 30s to watch like 13 years of various content spread all over different mediums
@@andrewd3707 then your friends suck. i guess, mine do too. one referredto monty python as, "those foreign films you're always watching," oi!
I had this feeling that that Tim and Eric skit about the universe might've been about failing to find the right words in order to explain a drug induced epiphany on how the universe works but they're sober now and it all makes no sense.
That... that is very possible and I hope accurate
@@MisterSweetProductions The post you replied to, and your reply both made a wonderful comedy sandwich
No it’s definitely poking fun at Carl Sagan’s Cosmos. They even have the damn turtlenecks lol
@@Cegros there's no denying on that, I just thought there might be some additional layer to it. ;)
@@christophewells3918 care to explain?
As soon as I saw a single "Casey and his brother / Uncle Muscle's Hour" sketch back in 07, there was no going back.
Norm Macdonald was another master of this style of comedy
Absolutely!!
I see Bob Newhart and Monty python
Edit: and Andy Kauffman
Id compare him more to eric andre, but ive only seen the absurd shit idk if hes got another style
"Meta humor, i hate meta" -Norm MacDonald
So meta that he wasn't meta because he was meta.
Norm’s moth joke is probably the funniest thing I’ve ever heard. Just putting together a sappy Chekhov story with a stupid punchline won me over.
It's weird watching this stuff get analyzed in-depth. I've always used Tim & Eric's comedy as a measuring stick for new people that come into my life. You either love it, hate it, or simply don't understand it. I can still be friends with people that don't like it, but I usually don't have anything in common with people who don't understand it, and it's pretty rare if I end up good friends with that person. Call me judgmental or whatever, but that's the way it is.
That’s a fact.
Judgmental Babb
I think my best friendships are with people that I’ve slowly gotten into Tim and Eric’s stuff. I think most people have capacity to “get it,” but it just takes a few reps for it to click. The litmus test should be “are they open minded enough for you to show them more.” Agreed on people who flat out reject it, usually not much in common with those people…
This is so unironically true it's not even funny.
I suspect that the people who “don’t understand it” actually come to the table acting superior. You can say “this is surface layer dumb jokes but there’s a lot of satire going on. Give it like ten seconds before you draw judgement”. Then they’ll give you two seconds and start talking about how unphased they are by whatever goofy surface-level shit they saw in those two seconds
We GenXers are represented by Timothy Richard Heidecker, who is One Of Us.
Tim's brand of comedy is extremely unique and legendary. A lot of people say comedy has become stagnant with the same formula being used by most comics. But Tim has already shown us the way forward. You gotta get weird and ironic with it
I found Tim and Eric when I was like 10 and it shaped me as a human being
Tim is also a phenomenal comedic actor. This is often overlooked. Another important factor is Doug’s editing skills. Tim (Tim & Eric) is just a perfect storm of talent.
In regards to Tim's ventures into post-irony, it's also worth mentioning a lesser-known film he starred in and helped produce, directed by Rick Alverson called "The Comedy". It's a fantastic, yet painful, cautionary tale about the dangers of "overindulging" in a post-ironic lifestyle.
In his work, Heidecker uses his post-ironic humour carefully and professionally. He knows what he's doing. Post-irony really is a "don't try this at home" approach to comedy, and while it may seem like goofy fun to deliberately blur the line between funny and not funny, if you go too deep you may lose that line and end up not valuing anything. The film is absolutely brilliant and does a much better job at explaining this idea than I have here. Also, despite the title, it is very much NOT a comedic film.
I think it's also important to mention that for years Tim and Eric seemingly had no footage of them behind the scenes where they weren't in character. Every interview was either clearly an insane bit from them or just when it starts getting 'serious' they would say something stupid to show that they're still just fucking with everyone.
For years even huge fans of their work didn't have a good idea of what these guys were actually like in real life which sort of helped hold the glue of all their works together and make even the most mundane, seemingly 'real' videos of them seem hilarious. Tim only started presenting as the real Tim Heidecker around 5 years ago and Eric has only recently appeared as the real Eric Wareheim a few times on Tim's podcast.
@@cake1661 I seriously think Sam Hyde using post-irony as a cover for his white nationalist bullshit was Tim’s breaking point. Since then he’s made a very clear delineation between him and “Tim Heidecker”
@@Garbageman28 Yeah I think in recent years a lot of shitty people including Hyde have used these sort of 'silly half-real ironic personalities' to push some terrible beliefs. Which has sort of ruined that method of comedy a bit.
@@cake1661 There's footage of them not in character trying to come up with bits at like 2 or 3 in the morning on one of the Tim and Eric season DVDs. Probably season 1. So I'm not sure that it was entirely hidden what they were like
@@Garbageman28 seems like a major over simplification and flat out misinformed interpretation
Huge fan of Tim Heidecker since Tom Goes to the Mayor - it’s both funny and strange to see the Tim and Eric style of editing and humor in such a wide spectrum of the media . I saw an insurance commercial just the other day that was obviously a nod to Awesome Show, Great Job! …weird. You def nailed it with this video , Great Job!
His Coke and Pepsi routine is the best
this video was sponsored by pitzman's mustard
It really brings out the flavor!
They're not paying him, theyre just giving him lots of mustard
My first time seeing this guy was watching Decker unclassified on adult swim
lol someone brought up this video in a recent office hours episode
WHAT EPISODE??? That’s crazy!!
@@MisterSweetProductions idk, i'm stuck in classic yt too, along with classic cable, so i'm thinking after hours, you know, the diner
Tim and Eric absolutely defined my sense of humor in my adult life
When you got comedy like Tim Heidecker in them, you can't lose.
Tim and Eric blew my mind when I was in high school. It was the kind of comedy I knew existed but didn’t know I needed in my life.
Tim Heidecker, Eric Andre, Tim Robinson are all my brand of comedy. I remember watching Tim & Eric for the first time in 2007 and I started laughing until I couldn’t breathe and didn’t even know why. Some people laugh uncontrollably when their dog chases it’s tail. I need a little more absurdity.
Check out Connor O'Malley dude, you'll enjoy his stuff for sure.
@@gabrielrodriguez2999 I’ve seen him too. I love his Howard Schultz bits. And he was good on I Think You Should Leave
This is a good summary of Tim’s work. Hard for a lot of people to appreciate it all
Good humour is universal. I'm 45 and I've been cracking up at Tim and Eric for years.
Right? I'm 33 and my mom is 57. We're both huge fans who have been to their live show multiple times. If anything, she's an even bigger fan than I am.
52 here. Been a fan of T & E from the beginning.
Same, I’m also 45 and love Tim Heidecker. It makes sense really, since he’s the same age as us.
It sometimes takes several years for people to learn that there is nothing new under the sun. Tim and Eric are absolute masters of their art, but we are all standing on someone's shoulders
Hey good video. I think sometimes the humour you attribute to Gen Z is actually pretty quintessential millennial as well - but regardless still cool to see some conversation around Tim and Eric. They pretty much were the zeitgeist for at least 5 years there
Yeah very strange to call it gen z humor
Yeah I'd say this is firmly millennial humor
“Fathered“ by a Gen X-er.
Hiedecker is Gen X so I'm not sure how this millennial or Gen Z.
I've been thinking this the last few years when I see gen Zers railing on unfunny millennial humor. How different is it really?
On Cinema got me through the hardest times in my life. One of the most funny shows ever and definitely not for everyone. The character development and even the Oscar Specials are some of the most genius things any comedian/person has done for entertainment.
I love small content creators like this, gives me hope for the future of TH-cam
You just explained how my better halve understands humor.
On Cinema is Tim’s masterpiece
Tim and Eric is basically half of Adult Swim
I will forever regret being too young to understand, or want to watch them on adult swim while the awesome show was still on when I was a little kid.
I’m a Major fan of Tim and Eric both. I still randomly think about their skits to this day and crack up.
On cinema episodes along with the dekkar spy stuff and the long episode/movie with dracula is freaking hilarious.best Tim project connection wackjob show tie in of his ever.
I'm super excited to see where your channel goes after having a viral video
Ahhhh me too!
4:31 Okay, can we all just stop here for a second, and just admire how good that dudes joker impression was. Like guys laugh was ON POINT!!!
"On Cinema at the Cinema" is a comedic genius
The On Cinema Oscar specials are some of the funniest things you can find on the internet. That show does a genius job at editing. You get the sense that the in-character editors of this show absolutely hate Tim Heidecker, and the out-of-character editors are trying as hard as they fucking can to make Tim break.
"I don't want anymore minions on my show!" *editors proceed to put every minions screenshot ever on the tv*
I'm ... I ... don't really have words... Just want to say, ... You get it, lol...
Never really had an idea about Tim Heidecker(except the memes ofc), was laughing all the way along the skits you played haha, legend
Also your Research and analysis is top notch... Glad to have discovered the channel.
Hey thank you! I’m glad you liked it!
Was watching an Elder Millenial play Elden Ring, while she talked about being an Elder Millenial... and I called her "the elden millenial" and I think it was the best joke I've made in my entire 28 years of life.
the hotdog line was my yearbook quote
He's also an exceptional songwriter.
Every clip of Tim you showed I've seen a million times before but i still laughed my ass off every time.
Also where he says, "hundreds of stars in the universe" 😂
I've always enjoyed ridiculous humor ("Stella" is my all-time favorite), so Tim and Eric have a special place in my heart, especially when they team up with Zach G. The endless terrible evolution of Tim's "On Cinema" character is a real treat to behold!
Funk rock.
Having Tim and Eric debut while I was in high school will forever be a treasure
That thud sound of the bread falling over forces me to laugh. I do not understand but I must laugh. I am powerless to stop it. There is no denying the inevitability of gravity screwing with all of us.
I agree with everything that guy with the cardigan just said
Thank you! That's me! I'm the cardigan guy!
That bread falling was hilarious.
the trial of tim heidecker is his magnum opus in my opinion.
12:40 he did an entire hour-long special called An Evening With Tim Heidecker which you can watch in its entirety on TH-cam. It's excellent.
Man you should be friggin stoked with that joker voice. That was deluxe
Ive never seen that universe sketch and i genuinely died laughing when he said little dipster 😂
The fact that he never breaks character once in the hundreds(?) of hours of At The Cinema blows my mind. Also, 5 bags of popcorn on your video.
He genuinly is so impressive! 5 bags of popcorn to your reply and a little hat that says "handsome lad"
@@MisterSweetProductions 5 bags of popcorn on that chair. How comfy is it? Can I sit in it?
@@WR0 it is a very comfortable chair! Typically requires a pillow for lumbar support but aside from that, great chair!
... it's not live... He obviously does sometimes when they're filming. And obviously what we're seeing isn't gonna be having any character breaking in it .. like what? How is that mind-blowing? It would be mind-blowing if it did.
*On Cinema
Just as the video was reaching its conclusion, my computer decided to restart, but I thought it was still part of the video so I laughed at it. My roommate then looked at me and asked me what was so funny, and then I realized that my computer was actually restarting and felt dumb.
Big Tim Hideker Fan.... your right on point here...but Tim would never describe his work this way.
Yeah but I would
Mister Sweet. that sure was sweet, mister.
My office. 5 minutes 😡
Dude I've always thought Tim heavily influenced just about every comedian and tv show. Especially comedy podcasts where they do bits. I'm glad you made this. Tim and Eric essentially invented memes.
It realized how groundbreaking this was when it came out. It was like the punk rock of comedy. It got rid all the production and polish and was unfiltered madness.
I subscribed 1 second after I saw the outfit, mustache & mic. now it's time to binge your whole channel
My comedy hero
Extremely well done, from a long time fan. It’s crazy how much stuff Tim has put out that I genuinely enjoy and love and don’t just give a pass because I like the guy. Like, everything he’s made the last 15 years or so is some of my favorite all time media, let alone comedy.
I love your style and I would love to see your take on Dougpound and his influence. His editing was such an insane part of that show and making something out of nothing, he deserves so much credit. Not to leave Eric out obviously he is the whole aesthetic and look and design of it all. But Doug also was a huge part of Eric Andre and his series Poundhouse is some ahead of its time, cutting edge shit haha. Also 2wetCrew! Also some of my all time favorite stuff.
I’ll have to look into those guys!! I’m glad you enjoyed the video!
@@MisterSweetProductions Cool! Yeah it’s all Doug Lussenhop projects and they have been and are way ahead of their time. 3rd Beatle for sure.
Can second this DJ Dougpound is where it’s at
Could you imagine a world where Tim, Eric, and Andy Kaufman were all alive and doing comedy together?
Why in the unholy name of Hell did I laugh at a damn slice of bread falling over and instantly think "mood"?
It’s weird that an essay on modern comedy never once mentioned the Simpsons, Late Night with Conan O’Brien, MadTV or anything Bob Odenkirk has ever been involved with.
It's an essay on Tim Heidecker, hence the name and thumbnail. My essay on modern humor is called Why is Gen Z Humor So Weird
I’m so glad I live in a lifetime where a Tim Heidecker lives in the same world as me.
criminally underrated channel here, bud! Had me in stitches
The last part of the video discussing standup allowed me to finally figure out why I find the people who got their sense of humor from standup not that funny. It's like their whole idea of irony is contained in either being mean or just saying things with different intonation.
Much of standup is just laughing in an audience at something, doesn't matter what it is or if it is actually funny, it's just laughing as part of a group to feel you belong, many of these shows even have plants who laugh and clap on que to prompt audience to respond. Not entirely different to laughing along to a laugh track, you remove the laughing and you see how unfunny those shows can be.
Their style birthed Eric Andre
If analyzing jokes is equivalent to dissecting frogs, this video had the least possible amount of amphibian casualties. good job Mr. sweet.
i will watching tim and eric as soon as fucking possible thank u sm
I once stole a copy of season one of Tim & Eric Awesome Show Great Job from my college library and it delayed my graduation for 3 years
Great video. I’m glad Tim and Eric’s show gets the recognition it deserves with how it influenced and even shaped newer and more experimental types of comedy by not just including one off jokes of this type but by making it the standard for the entire show. Eric’s role shouldn’t go understated though; if it wasn’t for him, many of my favorite skits would not be nearly as good.
For me the next natural transition from this type of humor was easily the Eric Andre show which in itself takes the concept even further and to new absurdist and nihilistic levels I hadn’t seen before. I mean hell; where Tim’s show deconstructs sketch comedy and more, Eric Andre continues that but brings in subversions of the late night show format which I absolutely love. Speaking of deconstructing, it’s no coincidence the set gets completely obliterated each season for instance. Bird up.
Oh absolutely! Eric Andre is amazing and a terrible personal to poorly imitate! It gets very awkward… speaking from experience here
@@MisterSweetProductions sooo.. Eric andre vid next
@@aadi.p4159 oooo that’s actually very possible! I’ll have to see but for sure at some point!
The Eric Andre bridge is DJ Douggpound editing too
Every time I see that put the stars in a bag bit I laugh out loud. No matter how many times, it’s always funny.
Man I knew I was fucked when the bread fell over and I laughed.
On Cinema at the Cinema is the greatest thing man has created
Adult Swim/cartoon network is my favorite TV channel of all time no competition. Sneaking on adult swim when you were a kid while your parents were asleep was common for me. Tim and Eric are doing a movie with Andrew Callaghan of channel 5 and all gas no breaks.
I had no idea about that movie! Andrew Callaghan is hilarious! I was so bummed to hear he basically got kicked out of his own show!
Did you get permssion from the HEI Network to use these clips? I expect you'll be hearing from Mr. Heideckers Lawyer, Tim Heidecker, very soon!
The genius of Tim Heidecker to me is that he really rides that line where in any group of say 4 or more people, at least one if not most of them aren’t going to understand what’s happening, but for the one person who does the punchline is actually as much about seeing others react and not understand what the hell they’re looking at. Yeah part of it fuels that feeling of superiority like you feel smart enough to “get it” while most people around you are clueless, but I think what sets him apart is that it’s not JUST about getting a weird reaction from people, and it’s not JUST about catering to weirdos and stoners. It’s everything all at the same time and you can tell there’s a ton of thought put into everything he puts out. I don’t want to say better than Kaufman cause that’s just looking for a fight, but certainly equally as innovative.
Waiting for your channel to blow up, you deserve it, good job, insert slightly impressed slow clapping meme 👏
Man, this guy was ahead of his time
I I feel cconfident in saying that this video on that comedy guy who made those videos all those years ago is 100 undoubtably an banger vibe
Hey man, YOUR are a banger vibe!
I've been thinking about tim and eric's lasting impact on comedy for years now, so glad I found a video talking about it. I remember thinking the t&e style old spice commercials were a novelty. I'm still regularly seeing gags and edits and thinking "that's tim and eric".
okay that awful standup clip from Tim was actually hilarious
Tim and Eric was the BLUEPRINT for most of the comedy we have today. They made such an impact that it was seeping into the main stages of commercials with big brands and that was a super weird time in television history and I loved it lol so chaotic
@2:01 the most exposure the University of South Dakota has ever gotten
I'm in my 40s, and every time I see that slice of bread fall over, I die laughing.
Schnooleheletteletto ❤
Another similar person (but with far less notoriety) that this reminds me of is Nathan Barnatt. He's a man who has been in equally as many memes but is way less known. (Do a video on Nathan)