How Super Monkey Ball: Banana Mania Saved The Franchise | A Brief Retrospective
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- Super Monkey Ball: Banana Mania is here to save the day! After years of mediocre titles, things are finally looking up. But...how did we get here? Let's take a look through the entire Super Monkey Ball series!
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The best thing about Kiryu being in Mania is that the creator of the Yakuza franchise started off creating Monkey Ball, so we have come full circle.
He created both franchises actually.
And now he's gone..........
but will never be forgoten o7
@@blitz4506 It really is fitting that a Monkey Ball title would be the last thing before he leaves. Glad he got a sendoff for both of his stuff.
@@Axonn1018 I don’t think he worked on it I think he left monkey ball long ago if I remember correctly
“You like SMB?”
“Yeah, I love Super Mario Bros.!”
Me too
Super Meat Boy? :D
Super Morgana ball
What about SMK?
Super mash bros
"But for 11 of the 12 minigames, they did an excellent job"
Huh, wonder which one is not good.
"Except for monkey target"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
My thoughts exactly!
i dunno man, they really fucked up monkey baseball too
My first one was mania. I cannot figure out how to play target. I just fall.. The wings do nothing almost. I get nowhere NOWHERE close to the target... Like a mile off. What's the deal is it just broken in Mania?
Dude it took me so long to figure out how to play Monkey Target, the controls are just so wonky and my brother still can't figure them out💀
Target feels very different that's for sure.
Honestly I’m just glad Sega is reviving some of their old properties, this game and streets of rage are honestly really cool and I’m just hoping we can see more of the them like jet set radio return as well
Yeah, there's those, Space Channel 5, Valkyria Chronicles, Sakura Wars,Virtua Fighter. They're on a comeback train
Samba de Amigo too
I would also love another Rhythm thief game! Such an underrated 3ds game.
@@wubbin yeah I love it a lot
I'm still hoping for new games of Nights, Samba de Amigo or Space Channel 5 (Maybe my fave SEGA franchises after SMB, Sonic and Project DIVA)
There could've been halfway-decent controls on the GBA if they had given the game one of those cartridges with inbuilt gyro.
Kirby tilt 'n tumble used the idea of rolling around a ball with a gyro cart and i remember not enjoying that game very much
Maybe once the GBA SP was out, but forget tilting on the original model, the screen is hard enough to see even at optimal angles!
I thoroughly enjoyed the GBA version. One of my most played games on that system.
Although I will never forgive Banana Mania for not remastering the Monkey Ball cutscenes, some might have argued they shouldn't have been remastered (no one needed to see Dr Bad Boons body), but its a masterpiece compared to watching the main characters dance REPEATEDLY. After the eighth time they did the same dances, I ended up breaking my Joy Con lol
U can skip them bro
Lmao you really think they had the budget to go in and remaster the cutscenes in HD. This is SEGA we are talking about. Half the games now adays they release they are only publishing not even developing.
Yeah, the cutscenes are ruined in mania, but i like the overall game, best one since 1&2
@@666slateran666 Yeah, but they're still just so incredibly half baked in the current state that it just makes me irrationally mad
@Signup Man please forgive them, for your own good. I know it’s small, and that the cutscenes are much shorter and with less context, but unforgiveness is not good for you. (I love Ephesians 4:32 in reference to forgiveness) This is advice that you may find helpful.
No one is talking about how they removed the stage that’s a literally a GameCube 😢
Well it was removed in deluxe already. Plus playing the game on different consoles and seeing a gamecube level is weird
(I think) I played one of the older games.
GameCube, my favorite ever console I played.
That could only ever be a Switch exclusive, and a mod for other platforms.
It’s not financially feasible to make an additional stage where they’ll only see extra profits for one platform. If it only released on two or three platforms, maybe. But this released on six. (Seven if you count the Xbox Series S as it’s own platform)
@chantellethecool1 I mean that didn’t stop gccs being used for smash or being able to pick GameCube mini games in Mario party.
“Saved”?! Are you serious? Did you play the originals?! The physics in this new game is an absolute disaster
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13:37 say it right here
Man, this game is absolutely perfect.
When you can play as a Sega Dreamcast, you have my attention.
It is not perfect, they messed up the Party Mode games and removed 4-player mode from the main game. When they fix those issues (not optimistic) it will be close to perfect.
perfect @@CrowTRobot
Is bit sad that Amigo isn't there with a lot of character additions, that could help a revival of Samba de Amigo, and I did kinda though Amigo was like from the same game as AiAi when I saw him on Racing Transformed (Amigo is also one of my favs there since I do like trains like a lot).
Yeah a lot of Sega characters I was hoping to see are missing but ah well. Would've loved Amigo, Ulala, one of the Sakura Wars leading ladies, Ristar, Nights the works. Instead we get Hello Kitty, the yellow eyeball thing and the persona 5 cat (I know Sega owns atlus now but they had nothing to do with the legacy of atlus IPs built up before the purchase so I prefer to consider them separate things lol)
wait... YOU LIKE TRAINS?!
*gets hit by a train*
Amigo would be freaking perfect since he’s a monkey and so is AiAi.
Well i think sega try to make a saba de amigo game from the 3ds but in the end become the rhitmyn thief i think this because one of the minigames is a samaba de amgi port but whit 3ds gameplay
@@brexemartinez that mimigame is more of an Easter egg, the rest of the vast majority of Rhythm Thief is way too different to have ever just been a Samba De Amigo turned into something else situation.
Liam triforce explains the control differences perfectly
Og is one to one with the stick movement. Making for some great speedrunning techniques
Mania has some smoothing. Making it easier to move on thin platforms, but some speedrunning techniques are harder to pull off. They might be possible with some practice
The way analog stick deadzones are handled is completely different. The original uses an axial deadzone (meaning the X and Y axes both have deadzones independent of each other), while Banana Mania uses a radial deadzone (meaning there's one circular area in the middle of the stick where inputs are ignored). Because of that, it's easy to go perfectly straight forward in the original, but in Banana Mania, you actually need precision to go perfectly straight.
So you win some you lose some
Banana splitz for the psvita is actually considered a pretty good game since the level design doesn't have stupid barriers most of the time and there was no jump, bosses or weird gimmicks like that, it's not as good as the first two games but it was still pretty good from what i know
Ehh, sounds like people just giving games points for being "not as bad" verses it actually being good. Sorta like how many people where praising Super Mario Party at launch simply because it wasn't like MP 9,10 again... and that game at least got review scores around a 7s and 8s, Banana Splits was getting 4s through 6s.
@@scarffoxandfriends9401 I believe no one has played banana splitz here so I'm just considerating, even as his own thing I think that this game can still be enjoyable even if i know that maybe the level design is not as engaging as the first two games.
Even if I was never into the monkey ball series until the last entry banana splitz still feels like it means a lot to the series simply by being what a normal monkey ball game should be despite not being too great
@@pizzaggio I've played it! got it off the humble store with 3 other games for a dollar.
@@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852 Is it any good?
It IS as good as the first two (at least the first one for sure). It has good level design with a smooth difficulty curve and has amazing worlds and soundtrack (imo). The party games are pretty much as good as those from the first one, and the small missing things like playpoints are compensated with a stage editor that actually works if you know how to use it and leaderboards.
Ah yes Super Monkey Ball, my favorite horror franchise
The game's best feature:
Doctor can have Drip.
I wish Sonic & Tails could wear Drip too.
What about the customization mode in Colo(u)rs Ultimate?
The only major complaint that I have with Banana Mania is that there's no multiplayer for the Main Game mode. I wish to recapture the good feels of playing through the main stages with my siblings, but instead we're stuck playing a below-decent reinterpretation of Monkey Target. I'll always love this franchise, I just hope SEGA will continue to listen to their fans. :1
10:06 Banana Splitz is actually great. The level design is definitely up there with the first 3 games in my opinion. The art style is pretty neat too cause they're in a toy setting this time.
(Yeah, the level editor does suck though.)
Wow, I’m so honored you used my Banana Splitz footage! It was certainly fun playing through that game as well as the rest of the franchise on my channel! (And also fun buying a whole Vita just to play that game, lol)
This was also a fun retrospective to listen to about the series. I love this series with all my heart, and Banana Mania was a breath of fresh air.
"If the world is not sometimes simply really confusing to navigate, it's mostly obnoxious trying to get where you need to go."
Sounds like youre talking about the real world, and not just Super Monkey Ball Adventure. Sage words, man.
19:12 In regards to the dlc it's structured exactly like Sonic Colors Ultimate where if you bought the physical launch edition you got exclusive icons you can't get in the digital deluxe edition. This means that in order to get everything you have to buy the physical copy and buy the dlc separately instead of just getting the digital deluxe edition.
Who would’ve guessed doing remake of the first two titles would make up for the fact they actually thought doing one for Banana blitz was a good idea.
you
i mean banana blitz on switch is much better than the wii version, holy crap lol
That Silent Night revealtion has totally melted my brain
Because of how precise the game can get, I don't think the Super Monkey Ball games are for me, but it is still great that with Banana Mania, the franchise got the second wind it needed for so long.
"I am supposed to review this game, aren't I?"
No, I want a full review of Super Monkey Ball Adventure instead.
_please no_
Yes please
I'm honestly loving the variety of characters in this game. JSR, Yakuza, Monster Rancher, and freaking PERSONA 5? I'm sold.
Banana Mania is such a brilliant remastered collection.
And BTW AntDude, Monkey Ball Adventure was developed by Traveller's Tales Oxford Studios right after Crash Twinsanity.
My first (and so far only) Monkey Ball game was an iOS entry, and it was surprisingly good. There was a set of levels with a sakura background and Japanese music, and it was like the best thing ever.
Ah yes, Sakura Edition. One of the more underrated entries, and ironically, is primarily a remake of stages from across the series.
1:41 Super Monkey Ball, 2 & Deluxe
4:37 Super Monkey Ball Jr.
5:07 Super Monkey Ball: Touch & Roll
5:47 Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz & HD
9:13 Super Monkey Ball: Step & Roll
9:34 Super Monkey Ball 3D
10:06 Super Monkey Ball: Banana Splitz
11:10 Super Monkey Ball Adventure
12:51 Super Monkey Ball Mania
The second I saw this video in my subscriptions, I had to watch what your thoughts were on Monkey Ball's latest release; and it did not disappoint. I was happy to see you cover Banana Mania, but you instead went through the entire Monkey Ball series, all in over twenty minutes. As someone who has played nearly all monkey ball titles - starting with SMB2 - it was awesome to see you go through all these games. What an amazing retrospective, man.
Yoooo thanks ant dude I love how spooky this video is yooo
17:50 It's because the physics are significantly heavier than the first two Super Monkey Ball games. With a game like this, getting the physics right is really important.
Oddly enough, Super Mario Odyssey also has significantly heavier physics than the previous 3D Mario games. Coincidence?
Great video! Always fun to look at the evolution of a series like this.
I noticed that you really quickly glossed over Banana Splitz on Vita, likening it to 3D. I’d definitely give that one another look. It has some pretty interesting level design, at least compared to several of its predecessors, and no annoying gimmicks in its main game. It’s doesn’t match the quality of 1 or 2, but I’d say it’s probably the next best in the series. Worth a look.
Whoa! Didn’t expect Monogram to be here!
About the "DLC": We are talking about a company, which signs up a whopping 100$ for an EMOTE in another of their games, which they unfortunately killed and shot it twice with a shotgun after.
WHAT-
@Wanna Be a Smurt Person Trying Phantasy Star Online 2, they "rereleased" it with new genesis, which is so bland and contentless, all players either left the game or stuck to PSO2 vanilla...
a shame, as this game was quite fun to play
I love watching your videos man. Makes me all nostalgic for the GameCube days or my childhood with crash and Spyro
Its halloween AND Antdude uploaded? What a great day!!
I am really glad I picked this game up, it has a couple flaws like the odd physics that feel like they pull you off ledges when you get close and the fact that Monkey Target is kind of broken, but it's still an incredible game.
Wow, absolutely wild to see myself in an AntDude video. Glad you covered Monkey Ball, and thanks for the inadvertent shoutout!
Great vid! Just got this game last week on my bd and am loving how challenging and fun it is!
I always love not only hearing about black sheep games and what they mean to a franchise, but just the highs and lows of any franchise in general, as I have said in the past. It’s just really interesting to jump between the really good and the really bad, and see what went wrong and right as time has gone on.
I love how Ai-Ai on the thumbnail is just like "Hey, check out this dummy and watch him suffer."
Mona in a ball: JOOOOKEEEEEEER! STOP THIS CRAZY THING!
Joker: You got this, Mona!
Skull: Dude how did we go from fighting gaming legends to watching Mona roll in a ball with a bunch of monkies?
Fox: I do not know but I do know that I must eat every last one of these bananas!
Queen: Please don’t! You’ll get potassium poisoning!
Panther: I do like the girl’s flower accessory for her little hair tuft.
Oracle: OK who let the baby be the techno wizard?!
Noir: Um excuse me but am I the only one who is curious about why these monkies are wearing shirts and skirts?
gross
I will super defend one thing about adventure.... It has one great (but admittedly long) mini game. Monkey tower I think it was called. You all fire cannons at each other trying to knock a tower you've made low enough to make them give up. After a set amount of time goes by you can add special blocks or just make your tower bigger. Did we ever get tower back?
I just got this game and its my first Super Monkey Ball. I love it and choosing Sonic makes it feel like one big special stage. I'm really happy Beat made it into the game. Jet Set Radio is my favorite
This is like the exact same video I just made a few weeks ago... except better. Good job Ant Dude!! 😭 More Retrospectives please!
I so glad I got recommended this video! When I was little I wasn't allowed to play games but my grandma had a game cube some cousin left over and she would play this with me while getting wine drunk and trash talking. Seems like just the nostalgia bomb I need right now.
See, you mentioning Monster Rancher makes me wonder if you'll cover Monster Rancher 1 + 2 DX when it comes out.
...I may be obsessed with the series. Slightly.
If there is an Ai Ai monster in DX, maybe he will.
Super Monkey Ball 3D's menu theme is actually a remix of That's Enough from Jet Set Radio because a few songs are composed by Hideki Naganuma.
Thumbnail is cute as always!
Started with Banana Blitz on Wii happy to see the remaster of that did well enough to warrant Banana Mania. Looking forward to getting it later.
I’d love to see your thoughts on the Space Channel 5 series! I def think Ulala deserves another round in the spotlight 👏💖
Finally getting quick notifications for your videos 🤘
I saw both the HD Blitz and Mania titles on Steam and didn't know which one to get. I now want both! :) Thank you for that.
I got so happy when they included Suezo for DLC, 'cause I love me some Monster Rancher/Farm~! It's also coming out pretty soon on the eshop, so maybe it's also a way to promo the classic two game bundle?
good timing!! i just beat banana mania a few hours ago and had a blast
I definitely can’t wait to get Banana Mania, however finding out that the game doesn’t feature multiplayer in the main game made this no longer a must buy for me.
The party mode games are very bad too. They altered the physics in each of them, Monkey Target and Monkey Bowling got the worst of it. Single player is solid but it's only 1/3rd of a game.
Yeah, I'm also very sad about the lack of main game multiplayer, that was easily my favorite part of MB2
@@webbowser8834 It got removed because it wouldn't work right without a lives system. Which they also removed.
@@Samevi Then make a multiplayer mode with a lives system? Doesn't seem like rocket science to me.
@@webbowser8834 I wish I could and I wish they would...
Thanks for the overview! I really want to pick up this game now
Are we gonna say this. YOU CAN PLAY AS THE DREAMCAST. I love it
I actually had a Super Monkey Ball Ticket Blitz at my local Peter Piper Pizza and it was pretty fun. There was an ending where you had to hit all the boosters and land perfectly in a circle and it was so much fun. WHY DID THEY GET RID OF IT?!
Purchased the game yesterday. Grew up with the series all the way back to GameCube Era. Definitely a good welcome back. The monkey mechanics are a little trickier on some levels that I know I used to ace back in the day. However nothing is perfect so having said that very good game
Anthony knows how to deliver when it comes to good reviews mixed with fantastic humor.
Honestly I like him more than Scott the Woz because sometimes Scott gets too focused on the jokes and stories and forgets to make a good review alongside those parts
Weirdly, analogue issues aside, Banana Splitz is actually considered one of the better post-gamecube games thanks to the levels being more precision-based than those of SnR and 3D, as well as bringing the old difficulty system instead of the worlds. Master difficulty is almost on par with the Master difficulty of 1 and 2, from what I've seen.
It's not... QUITE as good, as certain aspects like the party games took a hit, but it's the closest we ever truly got to a proper Super Monkey Ball 3.
The silent night part gets me coming back to this video constantly oh my god
This video was super fun to watch(I have never played any Super Monkey Ball games myself but it's super fun to see Antdude's genuine feelings about this)!!!
Anyone else want him to review the Jet Set Radio games and Crazy Taxi games now though?!
I love these videos about full series of games.
Honestly the only main thing I don’t like about Banana Mania is the fact that they didn’t include online multiplayer for players where local play isn’t an option. You’d think this game would have online support seeing as it has leaderboards
When I first booted up the game’s story mode I got a really bad first impression for the games performance on Switch. World 1’s FPS was very inconsistent for me, but once I got to World 2 everything was buttery smooth.
I completely forgot touch and roll existed but that was one of my favorite DS games thanks for reminding me
animal crossing wild world
@@gizmoduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu2773 never played it
@@Mman07311 play now
@@gizmoduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu2773 I don't have the game lol
Yes finally here when AntDude uploads 😀
Wow, I played Adventure as a kid. ...like, a literal child. I was SO confused as to what the heck I was supposed to do, and I basically couldn’t do any of the stages either since I was so young, lol. I’m not sure if I’m happy or disappointed to find out that it really *was* that bad and confusing.
Great videos 👍
monster rancher is (supposedly) getting a remake, thats why its in there
getting it in your face before release
I remember playing 2 as one of the first GameCube games I ever played after getting my Wii, and it was a challenge. The party games were a great time with my sister. After that, I was on the monkey bench for a while. I borrowed the Wii games from the library over the years and they were... okay. It wasn't until a couple years ago that I bought my first one years: Super Monkey Ball 3D. I can see why it was so cheap. It had that 3DS launch title feel; it was trying to use all of the features and it didn't work that well. The gyro was more of a hindrance than a feature and the 3D was too "in your face." Gave me a headache. The best parts were honestly the monkey race and monkey fight games. It's a Super Monkey Ball styled Smash clone and it's really fun! I can only hope for an expansion. A really great time in those 2 regards. After that, I got Banana Blitz HD because Sega was holding the series hostage, saw that they cut some of my favorite party games and kept ones I didn't like (I _really_ don't like Hovercraft Race.) and had a bit of fun with it. I especially like the new title theme they made. Great in both languages. Aftee seeing trailer for Banana Mania, I was instantly hyped. The original trilogy coming to modern consoles? Awesome! After getting my hands on it, I had a blast and am still having one. I pre-ordered on the eShop and got early access. I didn't even know that was possible! The game is amazing! The stages feel great, I really like the selection of characters, the party games are back even if they aren't perfect. Plus, no lives! I play the stages as long as I want to whatever cool strategies I think would work. And jumping breaks the game. So silly to think that an action as simple as a jump can utterly destroy the level. So much other stuff like leaderboard and customization are great additions. Though I'm a bit sad that I can't customize the unlockable characters or use them in the party games. I do have to agree with you about the DLC. $5 is _waaay_ too much when there's games in the eShop for less than that. Maybe half that or just $1. All in all, an excellent game and an amazing return to form. Here's hoping for an original game in the near future.
Technically a boss battle would work in a super monkey ball game.
However, if we have to compare this with Bowser, it would have to be something more like the final Bowser fight in Mario 3D world/3D land and not like new super Mario on the DS or the original Mario Bros.
The difference is that if monkey ball is all about momentum, it should use it to it's advantage instead of completely removing it and losing it's pacing.
A cool boss idea would be escaping a volcano and getting to the goal before the lava catches up while avoiding obstacles in the mean time. The lava will provide the quick momentum strategy and the fire balls will serve as precision challenge, just like a normal super monkey ball level, but more challenging, like a boss should do.
Actually, I think it would have to be more like the chase levels from crash bandicoot now starting to think about it.
I gotta say, I think you have the best thumbnails on TH-cam
I loved the original Super Monkey Ball series on the GameCube.
I did hire the first game for a few days, but I knew of the second game only just a year away and I had to wait until early 2003 before I could play this game's sequel.
Got Super Monkey Ball 2 on the same day as Skies of Arcadia Legends, so I got one of the best multiplayer games on the GameCube on the same day I got one of the best JRPGs on the GameCube both published by SEGA
Happy Monke-Ween, Anthony!
The fact that more less known sega IPs are getting more games now like Alex Kidd getting an HD remake, and the recent Super Monkey Ball game, I can only hope that NiGHTS and other sega IPs get more and newer games in the future
monkey target is actually a whole lot easier if you don’t tilt the controller as much and just do it a little bit. me and my friend were playing and couldn’t hit a single target until we figured that out and then had almost no problem after, the controls are just a bit sensitive
I used to play the 3DS game. I mostly played the fighting mode, that was basically a Super Smash. Bros knockoff. I’m somewhat disappointed you didn’t mention that or the Mario Kart mode.
I am a simple man. I see a monster rancher reference in the thumbnail, I start asking for a monster rancher video on every video from now on until it happens. You brought this upon yourself Antdude
2:18 I know it ain't exactly a Monkey Ball game but I immediately thought of Kula World when the word "Marble game" was mentioned.
Good video!
day infinite of me being unhappy that none of the original games are on platforms I can play. This is the best I am going to get.
It bothers me that the only thing keeping me from playing the pure classics in their pure state is the physics being smoother
As hype as it is to see Monkey Ball saved, can we talk about the fact we finally have Kiryu and Sonic in the same official game?
Shoot, I don't even think they exist in the the same fan games...
It’s funny, cause my friends and I decided to try out the party games in banana mania and we had such a hard time learning how to play monkey target, but now it’s all we play in the game!
Step and Roll has some pretty good music. The credits themes (yes, plural) are just... nice. Feel good music. Catchy and fun.
Ok, let me give you some advice on Monkey Target, of you pull the stick all the way back you'll lose speed and air FAST. There's a sweet spot you need to find by pulling the stick back about a third/half for ideal results
I always described it to people as 3d marble madness for an elevator pitch. Stages are hit and miss but the good titles are suoer fun.
SMH could've at least put Adventure in widescreen mode!!!
You are absolutely AntRUDE for this blunder!!!!
grr
Out of the entire series I only played touch and roll. Everything was a blast.
I’ve beaten the main game multiple times, had quite the blast with golf and the fact that it was a ds game I could play with friends without them needing the game.
Between monkey ball and new super Mario bros, I had tons of games I could play with friends
This is good news! I can't believe it has been like 20 years since the original GameCube release! I remember Super Monkey Ball being a pretty noteworthy title back when the Cube launched.
I only really played the first game, but it was fun. It was the kind of game that was easy to pick up and play, but also had a lot of depth!
I'm glad to hear Banana Mania is like a definitive collection of the classic games. It really is a shame that they screwed up Monkey Target, though! That was my absolute favorite mini-game!
I made my friends play this for game night and now harambe balls is an inside joke for me
Pro tip: start select L R resets Touch and Roll to the start screen, so with that logic, you can indeed skip the credits
Swazo was added probably because of monster rancher 1 and 2 dx coming out this winter
4:30 thank you very much!
Súper monkey Adventure was my first monkey ball Game and I love it
There was a Ticket Blitz at the bowling alley my family used to go to do that was all I knew of Super Monkey Ball for years
I never play any Super Monkey Ball games, but this Mania's pattern felt so familiar as a Sonic fan. The mania game felt so good that you become so hopeful for its future, only to find yourself dissapointed so bad with the next release. Hopefully it won't happen, because we just want great games.
11:32 Agreed heck I rented this game as a kid never finished it because I didn’t know what to do
Also it really freaking sucks that it doesn’t offer multiplayer for challenge mode like the other ones did. That’s one of the best things about Monkey Ball! I’m legit questioning if I want it now. I was so psyched to play it with friends and family in solo mode. :(
I was worried you weren't going to mention the banana blitz soundtrack, it's one of my favorite game soundtracks of all time!