I think that he more wants the game to be a game for all to play and not just for children. Even though the games look whimsical, they’re hardly just experiences for children
@@slickl9608 Which is a decision I can respect, I just don't see why out of all the ways you can push for that vision, he'd have such an issue with the peace sign. Especially next to his insistence that character/story isn't important, Miyamoto didn't really leave much room to change the more kid-focused impression the series was growing.
Back in grade school, my friends and I were playing "Mario" in real life by throwing mud balls pretending they were fireballs. It turned into a mud ball fight involving 20 kids, and we all got sent to the office. We got released shortly, because there was too many people.
So to sum up this video, “Miyamoto got so pissed that Mario became an icon for kids that he banned the peace sign from Mario games to let out his anger”
Oh okay. I really thought it was going to be because of the adult entertainment industry, how they do the ✌️ while covered in ...shall we say... white face paint. Yeah. With the way Nintendo and especially Mario want to be known for being as safe and friendly as possible I honestly thought that was going to be it.
I feel like that won’t be marketed, and no one will know about the game for at least a year minimum, maybe even longer The reason is because I doubt they will do such a thing, but will it be wierd, cool, and awesome? Yes, yes it will
3AM that’s not what I said at all and you know it. He literally makes the music childlike. Hell, even the dark gritty castle themes are still relatively happy-go-lucky.
@@pumpkinbrain8952 Man, Nintendo music Is awesome man, i really don't know where you see "childlike" music, new Mario music Is Always orchestral, and the "jolly" thing Is the atmosphere of Mario. A lot of youtubers use Nintendo soundtracks, even KIRBY...AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN *KIRBY* have epic music. Koji kondo Is talented
3AM I never said it wasn’t awesome. And are you seriously trying to convince me that Mario isn’t a childish game? THE WHOLE VIDEO EXPLAINED THAT IT WAS AND THAT MIYAMOTO DIDN’T LIKE IT! And Mario music is childish. Listen to this dude: th-cam.com/video/wLg8oUE4H9E/w-d-xo.html
Ah yes world peace and victory.....the most dangerous and worrysome thing _________ Kids: *do drugs* The school: I'm gonna pretend I don't see that Kids: ✌ The school system: *REAL SHIT????*
Nintendo in the 80’s: “Too childish, try and make it more appealing to adults.” Nintendo now: “What’s that?? Blood??? Get that stuff out of here, make it more childish.”
I guess culturally speaking, it made sense for Miyamoto to do that back then because (from my very limited knowledge) Japanese anime and manga usually represent the “peace/victory” sign as a childish/silly gesture. So I just assume with Mario becoming more kid oriented plus doing the peace sign was the final straw he had with his character being too silly/childish at the time.
It kinda makes sense, but even Richter, protagonist of Castlevania: Rondo of Blood, did a peace sign around that era, so if a non-kid friendly character can do that sign, why a family-friendly character wouldn't be allowed.
Yeah it sounds like a cultural difference we don't really understand outside Japan. I can understand why he never considered Mario a childrens character. The games aren't always easy and his original intent wasn't to aim them at children but older people with complex thinking and timing. Personally though I think it's good that Mario has become so vast because we get such a wide array of game types so there's something for everyone.
I just don't get it how he came up with Mario in the first place, a midget middle aged italian plumber, like what the hell? It's so random, Mario looks more like a shtpost than a hero character
Yes, it‘s considered as „hornes of a bull“ in some mediterran cultures but the palm faces the other direction as in the „Victory/Peace“-sign I think. It‘s like a raised middlefinger.
Isn't the symbol reversed means "up your *ss"? The hand sign obviously being flipped as being seen from the opposite side (where you do not see any fingers, similar to the middle finger). Hand symbols are strange.
@@1un4cy Gestures aren't universal throughout all countries. In fact, what's appropriate can get very different. It might seem strange to you or me (since I live in a central european country), but it's true that we can't understand other cultures until or unless we live by them ourselves, which usually means growing up or living in another country for a long time. This comment was unnecessary long plus English is not my 1st language!
It’s funny because I feel like Mario has been around enough that the kids he was marketed to are all in their 30’s and 40’s now. As one of those former kids, I still love the little guy.
this is an important point which people all too often forget. it seems like a lot of people simply don't understand the passage of time and don't realise that a massive chunk of Nintendo's original fan base are now adults with their own children.
You know, it's really interesting. I was watching a bunch of kids play Mario Kart, and several of them were talking about the different Koopalings they liked. IIRC, lots of fans don't like the Koopalings for taking up so much of the roster. But from what I observed, it seems that the younger audience actually does like them. It really made me think.
@@Mady0 ye bcz how da hell r they'll gonna get new fans if they dont conquer today's kids, they will be 40 year olds in 2050, and the cicle just goes on and on, that's how the world works man, if they just made games for the 80's kids, they would be kinda ruined when the 80's kids get really really old and they wouldn't have any public anymore when the 80's and 90's kids die in 2100. sry if my english is bad im not a native speaker.
I'm guessing he was just so mad that he wanted to do something little to tell himself "he's not a character for kids", the peace sign is usually a pose done to be cute so he decided to target that lol
@@zjzr08 But Shigeru never wanted it to be for kids, he made the game with young adults in mind, which is why he was so mad that Nintendo started marketing it to kids
@Gabriel 2020 Which game does a Goomba say that? Cause I've played most of the M&L RPG series, never beat any of them but the original Bowser's Inside Story, and only because I had a classmate to mash a specific button faster than I can even with my good buttonmashing hand (that being my left hand oddly enough, despite me being Right-handed like most humans), and the reward was nothing. We see Bowser about to fight the Mario Brothers, but it's all handled in the ending credits. Anyways, I'd like to hear what game and which Goomba says that Mario stomped on him again? If it's in the Paper Mario games I never played (anything after Super Paper Mario), I'd like to inform you, that the Paper Mario games takes place in a fictional story in the Mushroom Kingdom.
Not everything you see on the internet is true, it's like when they say that Miyamoto hates DK Country and he came out to deny that it wasn't true. It has also happened to Akira Toriyama that they say things about him that are not true and to others.
Miyamoto: My game character is made for people that have the age of 18+! His game character: a nice and wholesome plumber coming to save a princess from a big bad turtle.
He takes hallucinogenic mushrooms to make himself more powerful and murders Bowser’s army of actual turtles . . . and I guess he did enslave Donkey Kong
So... Miyamoto isn't okay with Mario doing the v-sign but he's completely okay with Mario wearing cute animal suits and overall running through these colorful and happy cartoony worlds? ... okay
Miyamoto: "Mario isn't a kids game. It's supposed to be something 18 year old guys can enjoy." Also Miyamoto: And then Paper Mario pulls out confetti and finds the funny toad while collecting stickers
He also apparently thought Super Paper Mario was too dark for the series. It's his series, and I can respect that, but he's a bit contradictory sometimes.
J. Barrett though he is the alleged reason that Sticker Star had no original characters other than Kersti, and why it had no story at all. Then again, Tanabe may just be pushing the blame away from himself
@@Aleks-hp8pr Miyamoto made some suggestions to tone that stuff down a fair bit in Sticker Star and wanted it to not be too similar to TTYD in his eyes, however he did not say to make everyone a generic toad and make everything around disposable stickers and completely throw out RPG stuff, that was Tanabe as far as I'm aware. Heck, from what I heard Miyamoto thought the final version of Sticker Star we got was boring lol.
@@Matsubusa69 He really needs to check that shit first.. but by now he should know this kind of info talking about these games so much. I barely keep up with game history and I can remember that. .. and I don't think Pauline was a princess at first either...
He was supposed to be named Mr.Video unless I'm mistaken only in the english localization he is referred to as Jumpman But also this is still Mario, everyone knows this fact but it's pretty irrelevant to the subject I guess
@@Igneeka Damn, I forgot about Mr. Video. That's more obscure for sure since I only knew about Jump Man the most. I'm just saying that if he was trying to get all old names right while trying to show it's who Mario was 'at that time' he could've gotten it right at least to further show the change he went through. I think they added a reference to it in a later game with a song. .. I just haven't played a lot of the more recent Mario games since these tend to make me feel sick trying to play them. x_x I'll stick to just 2D
No it was "Mr Video", Jumpman came later, but it was more of a nickname until they decided to call him Mario. And Pauline was called simply "Lady", and I don't think she was a princess.
I had a weird feeling when you said the V finger pose had been used for the last time in Super Mario 64, so I went to check, and Mario also does the classic twirl into V-shaped fingers towards the screen when you complete a level in singleplayer mode of Dr. Mario 64, a game released in April 2001.
Yeah, there have been several comments pointing out other games since SM64 where Mario can be seen using the gesture. Funny how they haven't been challenged though...
@@jeff_fafa Luigi,s Mansion and TTYD also have the peace sign with Luigi and Koops doing the signs in those games and they came out in 2001 and 2004 respectively, enough said.
Deshra Dine It was actually Mr. Video. It was supposed to be a character that would be featured in every Miyamoto game. Thankfully it was changed to Jumpman pretty soon after
Odyssey wasn’t the first comeback of the peace sign in a “Mario game”. Luigi does a peace sign in Luigi’s Mansion when he gets a key for a room I believe.
Ironically, the peace sign returned in a game where Mario can literally become a tank and fire missiles at enemies, other tanks and innocent bystanders.
@@gamerpigeonakafbi8210 And that is why Peach being possible to possess by Mario and in another idea, Bowser being able to too, was scrapped from Mario Odyssey.
I mean, it looks like it, but i dont think it came from that reason. But the no original characters rule was actually more like a thought shigeru gave to the PM game director, but he decided to follow it. And tbh, as a game director, the one to blame is him, if he wants to do Original characters, he can
And the reason doesn't even make sense. He thought it was becoming too childish so he banned one particularly gesture which doesn't even have childish associations? Something is missing. I just realized this is the same guy who made the fifteen-minute "Why Chain Chomps Bark" video (answer: they're like dogs. Duh.)
I feel bad for Miyamoto, i can relate to how he feels lots of times when i see franchises i love like pokemon or star wars constantly dumbed down more and more to cater to small kids and the modern sensibilities of their parents
Hm, I don't know. I never thought Mario's hand gesture when collecting a moon was references to the previous Mario games. I thought he was just playing Rock Paper Scissors. ... Ok, it makes less sens. But if you take into the account the ban, I can imagine Koizumi pitching Miyamoto about adding Rock Paper Scissors to make a fun little game in Odyssey, as a way to put the V sign back. Come on, I can't be the only one playing Rock Paper Scissors against Mario every time I collected a moon, right ?
If he wanted to game to be more directed towards adults why not just have the mountains be giant tits or something? Or at least some cus words in the dialogue.
Funny how the same man is the one that suggested Paper Mario be dumbed down and kiddiefied, lacking any of the seriousness and darkness the previous games, namely TTYD and SPM, had. NOOOOOOO PEACE SIGN, but repeated paper puns and 4th Wall Breaks? HELL YEAH!
To be fair, he has reasons for doing so, those suit powerup series have powers tied to them. No idea why Raccoon and Tanuki Mario can fly after max P Speed though...
@@tigerosu2070 Actually if they are anthropomorphic animals, then they are part of the fandom like it or not. Nobody has a right to kick people out of that fandom for being attractive to non-human beings that thinks human-like, even if they are zoophilia (though, I do hope those who has urges after real-world non-human animals do get help to lower the urges)...
I think the first example of Mario giving the "peace" sign was on the cover of the Famicom version of Super Mario 2 (the "Lost Levels" in America), where it doesn't mean "peace" or "victory" but, you know, "two"
To be fair, Luigi when he is without a Mushroom originally sort of put up a gesture that looked like he was flipping you in Super Mario World, but this was changed to do the same thing as Mario in Super Mario Maker 2.
Personally, I don't like the look of the Modern Mario-Peace Sign. When chunky little 16-bit or low-poly Mario does it, the peace sign looks cute at the end of his stubby little arms. But it feels kind of unnatural, almost uncanny on a modern and more realistic Mario. The complicated movement of outstretched arm, flipped wrist, two out of five fingers extending feels too complex on a character like Mario. Mario is simple, he runs and jumps and spins and punches and throws things. When he looks this real and does a motion that nuanced, it looks uncomfortable. Mario's body isn't normally articulated so specifically. I think Miyamoto and Tezuka might BOTH be wrong here. Mario is not a real person, he's a cute character. But in the current generation of graphics, "a peace sign" feels TOO realistic to look natural at the end of Mario's arm.
While this video is 3 years old, Super Mario RPG just came out with its remake and Mario and Mallow's peace sign victory was changed. Mario just takes off his hat. Mallow just raises his hands. The ban is still in effect 😂
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Peace was never an option
-Shigeru Miyamoto
Lol that’s pretty funny! xD
ahahahaha lol
Omg that's great 😂
That was a brilliant pun
Lmao that's hilarious xD
Tezuka: “Lets have Mario give the peace sign.”
Miyamoto: “Peace was never an option.”
Miyamoto is a goose confirmed
@@superkitten950inactivewont6 :o
Quite literally. lol
Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS returns this banned sign
Lol
Wario still does it a lot. But I’ve heard Miyamoto hates Wario.
And waluigi
Luigi does it in Luigi’s Mansion, as well, when getting keys and power ups and such.
No wario does that weird w thing with his 3 innermost fingers
Wario actually signs a W. Which is actually the legitimate sign for "W" in ASL funnily enough.
Where did you hear that from?
its funny because mario has become even more family friendly over the years but somehow the peace sign is the line not to be crossed
I think that he more wants the game to be a game for all to play and not just for children. Even though the games look whimsical, they’re hardly just experiences for children
@@slickl9608 you think that Nintendo would make a game like Mario strikers now lol
I call it ironic. :3
@@slickl9608 Which is a decision I can respect, I just don't see why out of all the ways you can push for that vision, he'd have such an issue with the peace sign. Especially next to his insistence that character/story isn't important, Miyamoto didn't really leave much room to change the more kid-focused impression the series was growing.
The v sing is in mario maker
“Could it be the bright colors, happy go lucky attitude, and cutesy character designs?”
“No. It’s the peace sign that makes Mario a baby game.”
_"Booty, why you only play baby game? Play more schüt game."_
@@VolatileViolet "Booty plae DeEmCee Too, Pls itz bes Gaem"
@@VolatileViolet
B I N N N Y
Y do y liek the things that I don't like
that's why Odyssey was less cartoony
welp
You’re totally wrong, Mario just wanted to play Rock Paper Scissors
All he just did was scissors
Makes sense! Good joke lol
ITYOURBOIKEVIN :D Ik thats why i always had the advantage of beating him
I feel like Shigeru lost one too many times due to scissors and hit his ticking point.
lol that's what I first though when I saw a 👊, a ✋, and ✂️.
The in no way age restricted peace sign makes Mario too kid friendly. Let's put him in a kitty suit instead.
ikr
lol
*furry suit
Stjurgeon 3D world in a nutshell.
Let's have him as a baby in some games also
Makes me think there was some mistranslation there, it doesn't seem to correlate at all
Those small designs such as the eyes 👀 on random landscapes is what makes Mario unique it wouldn’t be the same without really
I had the same thought.
Hard to tell if it would have had the same charme because we wouldn't have known it any different.
I also wonder who made those landscape items (eg mountain/hill) dance, because that's super adorable, too.
ok bud
The hills have eyes
Developers: Lets put the peace sign in Mario Oddysey!
Shigeru: *Heavy Breathing*
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@@KokoroKatsura ???
@@kuroneco-j4n *S H I N O B U*
Bring out dark Vader of Nintendo
Shigeru: ...Ah, what the hell, the ban was stupid, anyway!
"The peace sign is banned from all Mario games from now on!"
Luigi's Mansion: nah m8
"Well, I'm a Luigi game. So there."
Hi
Umm, hi?
all _mario_ games
I thought tje same thing lol
Odyssey's randomness makes a Rock, Paper, and Scissors...
Wait, so am I the only one who thought that it was referencing Super Mario 64 (scissors), Super Mario Sunshine (paper), Super Mario Galaxy (rock)?
@@MegaPie no,others also thought that
@@MegaPie other people thought that too, he's saying that you could technically play rock paper scissors with the animations
Did you watch the video
@@scriptedspaghetti good question
Back in grade school, my friends and I were playing "Mario" in real life by throwing mud balls pretending they were fireballs. It turned into a mud ball fight involving 20 kids, and we all got sent to the office. We got released shortly, because there was too many people.
Do it again.
I love this haha 😆
I find it funny even after years of being banned, this is the first pose I imagine him in.
True
I did too
same
I had a Mandela effect type thing going on because I swear I can remember him doing the peace sign in Galaxy...
Aspen Leef I swear he did it in new super Mario bros ds and 2.
So to sum up this video, “Miyamoto got so pissed that Mario became an icon for kids that he banned the peace sign from Mario games to let out his anger”
something i would do tbh xD
Oh okay. I really thought it was going to be because of the adult entertainment industry, how they do the ✌️ while covered in ...shall we say... white face paint. Yeah.
With the way Nintendo and especially Mario want to be known for being as safe and friendly as possible I honestly thought that was going to be it.
Miyamoto have show to be very childish over the years.
yet still cashed his checks.
@@dsandoval9396 I see you're a man of culture as well.
“Mario is not a kids character” Shigeru says, as he is appointed as producer for the Illumination film adaptation
Gabriel 2020 one joke
At this point, I think he realized it's too late.
Because Mario is clearly linked to Illumination
@@299-j6f *please be irony*
@@rodrigomorales563 That what I thought. He's resigned to it.
Can’t wait for when he really snaps and we get our first M rated Mario game lmao
Mario spends Five Nights at Freddy’s? LOL!
I feel like that won’t be marketed, and no one will know about the game for at least a year minimum, maybe even longer
The reason is because I doubt they will do such a thing, but will it be wierd, cool, and awesome? Yes, yes it will
Rated M for Mario.
Sex, all kinds.
@@celestia.5758 LMAO YES- Foursome between Mario, Peach, Luigi and Daisy
Shigeru: “Mario isn’t a game for kids”. Nintendo:Marks all Mario videos as made for kids and disabled comments. Me: ah yes, such a mature game
@@lol-ih1tl Yeah, that makes sense. Just a joke, but yeh
Shigeru: Am I a joke to you?
And all the UK ads for the mario games show kids playing the games
Where is the adult stuff in Mario games?
@@lol-ih1tl No, that is not adultness,,, I never felt any adultness in any Mario game ever
“Mario isn’t a kids’ character” Miyamoto says as he asks the music director to make the song more jolly
So a adult game MUST contain Blood and gore
3AM that’s not what I said at all and you know it. He literally makes the music childlike. Hell, even the dark gritty castle themes are still relatively happy-go-lucky.
@@pumpkinbrain8952
Man, Nintendo music Is awesome man, i really don't know where you see "childlike" music, new Mario music Is Always orchestral, and the "jolly" thing Is the atmosphere of Mario.
A lot of youtubers use Nintendo soundtracks, even KIRBY...AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN *KIRBY* have epic music.
Koji kondo Is talented
3AM I never said it wasn’t awesome. And are you seriously trying to convince me that Mario isn’t a childish game?
THE WHOLE VIDEO EXPLAINED THAT IT WAS AND THAT MIYAMOTO DIDN’T LIKE IT!
And Mario music is childish. Listen to this dude: th-cam.com/video/wLg8oUE4H9E/w-d-xo.html
@@pumpkinbrain8952
Holy, i forgot that
Man, Memories...
But, i'm i childish fucker if at least i Say the track Is enjoyable?
I feel like nowadays Mario is a character for everyone, and his games are for everyone too.
RedPenguin rated E for everyone
@legohead • 90 years ago why do I like this reply more than the comment
legohead • 90 years ago okay!
Rated R for Raptors
remember family friendly eel?
My highschool banned the peace sign because it was a “gang sign”
Ah yes world peace and victory.....the most dangerous and worrysome thing
_________
Kids: *do drugs*
The school: I'm gonna pretend I don't see that
Kids: ✌
The school system: *REAL SHIT????*
Oh my god seriously?
@@LuckyLittleLoki see
The believed it stands for Vlood.
That doesnt even make sense
The peace sign is about peace
Not about violence
Nintendo in the 80’s: “Too childish, try and make it more appealing to adults.”
Nintendo now: “What’s that?? Blood??? Get that stuff out of here, make it more childish.”
Nintendo was against blood in the 80’s too
Also Nintendo now: We need more lewd games!
@@TheMich0 Mario dating sim
@@TheMich0 I mean even if they're available on the eshop nintendo itself doesn't make any lewd or m-rated games.
Also Nintendo in 2017: (Adds DOOM to the Nintendo Switch)
"Mario is not a baby game!"
Yoshi's Island: ._.
Get to the final boss on Yoshi's Island, baby game my ass!
Dippadoot he’s missing the joke, but he’s not wrong either.
(*baby crying flashbacks*)
Yoshi's island is definitely too difficult for babies
@@TheDuckyDino ikr
Miyamoto: I don't want Mario to be kid friendly!
Also miyamoto: *(puts Mario in a cat costume and makes him hang out with rabbits)*
Because children prompt their parents to purchase these games, therefore they make them more targeting to children than adults.
I mean furries exist Sooooooooo
@@maxi979 *no*
@@Roseymazin ok :'(
@@maxi979 *ok fine*
I guess culturally speaking, it made sense for Miyamoto to do that back then because (from my very limited knowledge) Japanese anime and manga usually represent the “peace/victory” sign as a childish/silly gesture. So I just assume with Mario becoming more kid oriented plus doing the peace sign was the final straw he had with his character being too silly/childish at the time.
It kinda makes sense, but even Richter, protagonist of Castlevania: Rondo of Blood, did a peace sign around that era, so if a non-kid friendly character can do that sign, why a family-friendly character wouldn't be allowed.
I thought the "peace sign" is pretty common Japanese, especially if you are taking a picture. Kawaii characters tend to do that a lot.
Thanks for this angle, I was honestly confused about that aspect of this story and that clears it up. I felt like I'd missed something haha
Yeah it sounds like a cultural difference we don't really understand outside Japan. I can understand why he never considered Mario a childrens character. The games aren't always easy and his original intent wasn't to aim them at children but older people with complex thinking and timing. Personally though I think it's good that Mario has become so vast because we get such a wide array of game types so there's something for everyone.
I just don't get it how he came up with Mario in the first place, a midget middle aged italian plumber, like what the hell? It's so random, Mario looks more like a shtpost than a hero character
And I thought it was offensive in some countries.
Or in a Test Build he fliped the middle finger like Luigi on the Render96/SGI Graphics Beta version from Super Mario 64 PC Port.
Yes, it‘s considered as „hornes of a bull“ in some mediterran cultures but the palm faces the other direction as in the „Victory/Peace“-sign I think. It‘s like a raised middlefinger.
Isn't the symbol reversed means "up your *ss"? The hand sign obviously being flipped as being seen from the opposite side (where you do not see any fingers, similar to the middle finger). Hand symbols are strange.
Who would think "Peace" and "Victory" is offensive?
@@1un4cy Gestures aren't universal throughout all countries. In fact, what's appropriate can get very different. It might seem strange to you or me (since I live in a central european country), but it's true that we can't understand other cultures until or unless we live by them ourselves, which usually means growing up or living in another country for a long time. This comment was unnecessary long plus English is not my 1st language!
NOO TEZUKA DONT TURN ME INTO MARKETABLE PLUSHIES NOOOOO
Underrated
Haha stonks go brrr
AAA
IM CARRYING YOU TO BRAZIL
It’s funny because I feel like Mario has been around enough that the kids he was marketed to are all in their 30’s and 40’s now. As one of those former kids, I still love the little guy.
this is an important point which people all too often forget. it seems like a lot of people simply don't understand the passage of time and don't realise that a massive chunk of Nintendo's original fan base are now adults with their own children.
It's more like the kids Mario was originally marketed to are in their 30s and 40s. They're stilling marketing Mario to kids.
You know, it's really interesting. I was watching a bunch of kids play Mario Kart, and several of them were talking about the different Koopalings they liked.
IIRC, lots of fans don't like the Koopalings for taking up so much of the roster. But from what I observed, it seems that the younger audience actually does like them. It really made me think.
@@Mady0 ye bcz how da hell r they'll gonna get new fans if they dont conquer today's kids, they will be 40 year olds in 2050, and the cicle just goes on and on, that's how the world works man, if they just made games for the 80's kids, they would be kinda ruined when the 80's kids get really really old and they wouldn't have any public anymore when the 80's and 90's kids die in 2100.
sry if my english is bad im not a native speaker.
So, does this mean Miyamoto considers Sakurai's serious and intense depiction of Mario more accurate??? 🤯
I don't quite see the connection between "Mario becoming too kid-friendly" and the banning of the peace-sign...
I'm guessing he was just so mad that he wanted to do something little to tell himself "he's not a character for kids", the peace sign is usually a pose done to be cute so he decided to target that lol
@@taoxi3807 But it's confusing as they seem to be targeting the younger demographic...
In Japan peace sign is child/girl type of thing
The peace sign over in Japan represents love or a heart, so that's primarily the reason why that gesture got banned.
@@zjzr08 But Shigeru never wanted it to be for kids, he made the game with young adults in mind, which is why he was so mad that Nintendo started marketing it to kids
I thought he was going to refer to the “Up Your’s” jester found in the original Mario RPG.
Shigeru Miyamoto: Nooo you can’t just ruin my character!
Nintendo: Haha Mario become plushie.
Haha marketing machine go brrr
Nintendo: Nooooo you cant just take our peace sign out of spite for us ruining your character!
Shigeru Miyamato: Ha ha peace sign ban goes brrr
The same guy who forbids the Paper Mario team from doing anything interesting.
Isn't this basically Brawl's story
Miyamoto: the donkey kong game is a 18+ game.
* Donkey Kong has a baby *
Then that baby disappears and never shows up in a game ever again
Bye bye Donkey Kong Jr
Donkey Kong Lore: Donkey Kong Jr is Donkey Kong from Donkey Kong Country.
Mario wasn’t that peaceful for the last 20 years, was he?
@Gabriel 2020 And to kill the monsters!
@Gabriel 2020 I don't think that's what Miyamoto was thinking. Slightly less peaceful, to say the least.
@Gabriel 2020 Which game does a Goomba say that? Cause I've played most of the M&L RPG series, never beat any of them but the original Bowser's Inside Story, and only because I had a classmate to mash a specific button faster than I can even with my good buttonmashing hand (that being my left hand oddly enough, despite me being Right-handed like most humans), and the reward was nothing. We see Bowser about to fight the Mario Brothers, but it's all handled in the ending credits. Anyways, I'd like to hear what game and which Goomba says that Mario stomped on him again? If it's in the Paper Mario games I never played (anything after Super Paper Mario), I'd like to inform you, that the Paper Mario games takes place in a fictional story in the Mushroom Kingdom.
@@zigazav1 well they got lazy at writing as alot of unique characters got replaced with toads
@Gabriel 2020
Exactly!!! Mario is a good person, who despite his flaws and mistakes, still tries his best to do good things!
i just woke up 5 seconds ago and i read "NINTENDO BANNED MARIO GAMES" lmao.
I wouldn’t be surprised at this point it would just add to the 2020 chaos
*SUPER MARIO SPIKERS*
That'd be a massive sign the world is at its end.
It's the ultimate personalized Mario 64 copy
I read it as "Nintendo bans Mario from Mario"
The title made me think Mario had a swastika in one of his games
did you just read my mind?
At least I'm not the only one
I thought exactly this since the first Zelda game kinda had one
holy shit same
I mean, he is Italian. He definitely did talk to some -Nazis- *WWII GERMAN PEOPLE*
It’s sad that that’s how he felt about it. His character created so many memories for multiple generations.
Not everything you see on the internet is true, it's like when they say that Miyamoto hates DK Country and he came out to deny that it wasn't true. It has also happened to Akira Toriyama that they say things about him that are not true and to others.
@@DequerkYeah but they have censored this gesture. The new Mario RPG doesn't even have him make the gesture on victory anymore.
Miyamoto: My game character is made for people that have the age of 18+!
His game character: a nice and wholesome plumber coming to save a princess from a big bad turtle.
He takes hallucinogenic mushrooms to make himself more powerful and murders Bowser’s army of actual turtles . . . and I guess he did enslave Donkey Kong
*O H*
@@originalbestdadofgaming I see you've watched that Game Theory hack.
Are you implying that adults aren't allowed to enjoy wholesome wahoo plumbers
No, i'm just joking about how Miyamoto wanted mario to be only made for adults and later on became a character made for everyone of any age
So... Miyamoto isn't okay with Mario doing the v-sign but he's completely okay with Mario wearing cute animal suits and overall running through these colorful and happy cartoony worlds? ... okay
Animal suits aren't just for kids. Just ask furries.
@@psuedonym9999 AND WE'RE DONE HERE, MOVING ON!
@@shadowsnake5133 why?
Miyamoto is a furry, confirmed.
Yes yes this is good yes yes
Thanks for giving me something to watch at 6:30 AM
It's like 12:30PM for me lmao
For me it's 3:31 AM
good thing to wake up to
Its 11:32am for me.
Same
I was actually just playing Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour (2003) and his eagle reaction shows him actually giving the peace sign at the end of it!
Someone went rogue and against the ban :O
Not a "Super Mario" game. It's a spin-off.
I believe this doesn't hold true for some spin-offs, I distinctly remember him giving the V-sign in stuff like Mario Golf.
@Gabriel 2020 Well, he doesn't make the main Mario games either. He's been mostly producing them since the late 90s.
And Luigi’s mansion
Miyamoto: "Mario isn't a kids game. It's supposed to be something 18 year old guys can enjoy."
Also Miyamoto: And then Paper Mario pulls out confetti and finds the funny toad while collecting stickers
He also apparently thought Super Paper Mario was too dark for the series. It's his series, and I can respect that, but he's a bit contradictory sometimes.
@@aspenleef I mean, with how many people die in Origami king...it's honestly a bit darker.
@@aspenleef Paper Mario isn't really Miyamoto's, though.
J. Barrett though he is the alleged reason that Sticker Star had no original characters other than Kersti, and why it had no story at all. Then again, Tanabe may just be pushing the blame away from himself
@@Aleks-hp8pr Miyamoto made some suggestions to tone that stuff down a fair bit in Sticker Star and wanted it to not be too similar to TTYD in his eyes, however he did not say to make everyone a generic toad and make everything around disposable stickers and completely throw out RPG stuff, that was Tanabe as far as I'm aware. Heck, from what I heard Miyamoto thought the final version of Sticker Star we got was boring lol.
Waiting for everyone to comment "but it's in Mario Odyssey!" before watching the video
You're welcome
also in SMM and SMM2
And Luigi mansion
you just predicted my comment, now i feel bad
But it's in Oddysey
2:40 The original art/design for Mario looks like it should be voiced by Captain Lou Albano, the voice of Mario in the American Mario cartoons.
Captain Lou wasn't the voice actor, he was Mario's actor in the live action segments of the show
DO THE MARIO! SWING YOUR ARMS FROM SIDE TO SIDE COME ON IT'S TIME TO GO DO THE MARIO!
5:04 ah yes my favorite Mario character: *eggman*
Yup I see it
And fahst foud chains
Lmao
No He Is Form Sonic.............
@Kristen R/wooosh
Wait. Hooold up. Paused to say this. ... I could've sworn Mario's name during the first DK game was 'Jump Man', not Mario.
Sinistar Aries Yeah, it was. It wasn’t until the next installment that it would be Mario.
@@Matsubusa69 He really needs to check that shit first.. but by now he should know this kind of info talking about these games so much. I barely keep up with game history and I can remember that. .. and I don't think Pauline was a princess at first either...
He was supposed to be named Mr.Video unless I'm mistaken only in the english localization he is referred to as Jumpman
But also this is still Mario, everyone knows this fact but it's pretty irrelevant to the subject I guess
@@Igneeka Damn, I forgot about Mr. Video. That's more obscure for sure since I only knew about Jump Man the most. I'm just saying that if he was trying to get all old names right while trying to show it's who Mario was 'at that time' he could've gotten it right at least to further show the change he went through. I think they added a reference to it in a later game with a song. .. I just haven't played a lot of the more recent Mario games since these tend to make me feel sick trying to play them. x_x I'll stick to just 2D
No it was "Mr Video", Jumpman came later, but it was more of a nickname until they decided to call him Mario.
And Pauline was called simply "Lady", and I don't think she was a princess.
I know I'm that one annoying guy, but Mario's name was named "Jumpman" in Donkey Kong.
That's Mario's dad I think
And Pauline (the damsel in distress in Donkey Kong) isn’t a princess.
Emma Utterback Someone has watched the full timeline on Mario... I remember the Game theorists covered this so you are right.
In smash melee it states that Mario's first video game apperince was donkey Kong.
your comment actually wouldn't have been annoying if you didn't write "name was named."
I had a weird feeling when you said the V finger pose had been used for the last time in Super Mario 64, so I went to check, and Mario also does the classic twirl into V-shaped fingers towards the screen when you complete a level in singleplayer mode of Dr. Mario 64, a game released in April 2001.
Yeah, there have been several comments pointing out other games since SM64 where Mario can be seen using the gesture. Funny how they haven't been challenged though...
@@jeff_fafa Luigi,s Mansion and TTYD also have the peace sign with Luigi and Koops doing the signs in those games and they came out in 2001 and 2004 respectively, enough said.
Your origin of Mario is incorrect on one aspect. His original name wasn’t “Mario” it was “Jumpman”.
Wow 😯
I forgot about that
Actually it was Mr. Video lol
Deshra Dine It was actually Mr. Video. It was supposed to be a character that would be featured in every Miyamoto game. Thankfully it was changed to Jumpman pretty soon after
IceBlueLugia he was never actually called “mr. video” miyamoto decided against it and never used it. Jumpman was actually used.
Odyssey wasn’t the first comeback of the peace sign in a “Mario game”. Luigi does a peace sign in Luigi’s Mansion when he gets a key for a room I believe.
That's a luigi game tho
luigi's mansion is a luigi game,so it technically is not a mario game.
@M.L. 'BEWMIE' Wolff Yes, but that doesn't make it a mario game
Bring in peace from all evil
I have the the third luigi's mansion
Ironically, the peace sign returned in a game where Mario can literally become a tank and fire missiles at enemies, other tanks and innocent bystanders.
I guess Miyamoto was reading _War and Peace_ as he was developing the game?
He can also become a hyper realistic T-rex and possess hyper realistic people
@@gamerpigeonakafbi8210 And that is why Peach being possible to possess by Mario and in another idea, Bowser being able to too, was scrapped from Mario Odyssey.
6:40 Tezuka thoughts: wtf dude, where do this came from?
Imagine if Miyamoto GOT the rights to make a Popeye game
Well then maybe we would have Bluto 64 instead.
Nintendo got license for Popeye in 1982 and made the arcade game and ported it to Famicom year later.
damn
@@brunokornatowski3712 ?
Man I love Super Popeye Odyssey, such a good game
On the box art it almost looks like a peace sign with the way he's throwing the hat
So someone else watching this video has a brain. Good to know.
"I am banning the peace sign, the victory sign from the mario series" doesn't this sound like the no adding new characters to paper mario rule...
Ironically, Paper Mario games were a lot more mature before Miyamoto’s interference
@@Cinnuhminn Damn straight.
I mean, it looks like it, but i dont think it came from that reason. But the no original characters rule was actually more like a thought shigeru gave to the PM game director, but he decided to follow it. And tbh, as a game director, the one to blame is him, if he wants to do Original characters, he can
@@Cinnuhminn still are
I really hope that someday that ban will be lifted. Getting real sick of Generic Toad #29894 making some sarcastic social commentary.
What if they replaced the peace sign with a middle finger
shigeru would then fire everyone from nintendo 😂
This video feels like it's desperately trying to reach a word limit.
Me 1/3 in the video:
"This is a lot of information."
My god, It's all fluff and repetition, it feels like he never really got to the point.
It just hurts to watch, lol
And the reason doesn't even make sense. He thought it was becoming too childish so he banned one particularly gesture which doesn't even have childish associations? Something is missing.
I just realized this is the same guy who made the fifteen-minute "Why Chain Chomps Bark" video (answer: they're like dogs. Duh.)
@@Marshtard he was tryna get the video to ten minutes. Da big sad.
meme_man_53's memes *_9:24_*
I'm gonna add this to my "useless knowledge" notebook.
So *that’s* why Mario is really stern and fierce in Smash Bros.
Mario's persona in Smash is the real Mario Miyamoto had envisioned
@@Dash120z
It's all so clear now...
I feel bad for Miyamoto, i can relate to how he feels lots of times when i see franchises i love like pokemon or star wars constantly dumbed down more and more to cater to small kids and the modern sensibilities of their parents
I know Luigi’s Mansion isn’t really a Mario game, but Luigi makes the peace sign when he gets an item, I still think it’s worth to mention though.
not really. the peace sign ban was exclusive to marios character. not nintendo as a whole.
@@ah7027 Mario does the peace sign in Mario Golf Toadstool Tour (Hole-in-One animation)
To be fair Luigi does commit ghost genocide.
Luigi is supposed to be a little more of a goofball than Mario
I can imagine how frustrating it would be for Miyamoto. Having your idea changed so much.
This just seems so childish and petty to me, it makes me laugh and scratch my head.
I can only imagine that it was a message understood by those it was meant for. Maybe it was a topic he had brought up before.
Respect the creator
Miyamoto: “peace signs are childish!!”
Mario 3D world: “miaaaaooow”
-Mario toys in fast food chains
Shows a picture of Dr. Robotnik
One of these things is not like the others.
*_There is 1 Impostor Among us_*
@@OGuiBlindao XD
y'know, from mario
Name a pokemon....
...... Uhhhh...... Luigi?
Hm, I don't know. I never thought Mario's hand gesture when collecting a moon was references to the previous Mario games. I thought he was just playing Rock Paper Scissors.
... Ok, it makes less sens. But if you take into the account the ban, I can imagine Koizumi pitching Miyamoto about adding Rock Paper Scissors to make a fun little game in Odyssey, as a way to put the V sign back.
Come on, I can't be the only one playing Rock Paper Scissors against Mario every time I collected a moon, right ?
nope, you were not
That's genius, wow! XD I think I'll do that from now on, thanks a ton~!
Miyamoto: "Why does he always do Scissors?"
Tezuka: heavy sweat
Holy shit, this guy actually took the time to explain to us who Mario is, like someone clicking on this wouldn't already know.
So if Mario was meant for adults, does that mean the hills having eyes is a reference to the movie?
If he wanted to game to be more directed towards adults why not just have the mountains be giant tits or something? Or at least some cus words in the dialogue.
@@katylepetsos7512 so really there has to be sex and cussing for a game to be enjoyable for adults? LMAO
@@katylepetsos7512 not all adult games have to have sex or violence
Obsidia yes thats what adults love
@@survivalhh2995 more like edgy highschoolers amirite
Miyamoto: wants to make mario not as kid friendly
Also Miyamoto: *takes away any of the complexity the paper mario games could ever have*
What about Origami King?
@Some characters aren't allowed Isn't that game more complex than the previous ones?
Nintendo showed origami as zombie form of residents who apocalypse world and showed black paint as a soul posseser
Have you EVER played Super Paper Mario? Have you EVER listened to the OST's from that game?
@@uxie4327 Yeah, when someone says "Miyamoto turned Paper Mario into a baby series", they usually mean from Sticker Star onwards, not Mariovania.
Mario golf 64 had the peace sign if we are also talking about side games. And that came out in 1999.
Peace sign: _"GET THAT EMBARRASSING KIDDIE STUFF OUT OF THERE!"_
Bright yellow cat suit Mario verbally says "meow" in: _"Ah finally, a MAN'S game!"_
lol yeah, ironic isn't it?
Ayyy Silo!
And yeah, my thoughts exactly xD
Funny how the same man is the one that suggested Paper Mario be dumbed down and kiddiefied, lacking any of the seriousness and darkness the previous games, namely TTYD and SPM, had. NOOOOOOO PEACE SIGN, but repeated paper puns and 4th Wall Breaks? HELL YEAH!
@@espurrseyes42 Miyamoto did not restrict PM that is false.
"Mario is not a kid game" -Miyamoto
Soooo, Mario x Sonic.gif is canon and truly what Miyamoto intended.
🌝🌝🌝
So he wanted Bowsette to happen?
*NO*
*YES*
Please don't get near me
8:17
“It picks a random animation”
How did I not ever notice that?
Not only that, he's basically playing Rock Paper Scissors with those animations.
Nintendo: peace sign is banned in Mario games
Also Nintendo: Let’s make Mario a furry
To be fair, he has reasons for doing so, those suit powerup series have powers tied to them. No idea why Raccoon and Tanuki Mario can fly after max P Speed though...
Tomo Saki I don’t know
TigerOsu I know, I'm a furry myself and I was making a joke, I’m aware of zoophiles and that other stuff, which I’m not a part of.
TigerOsu no worries!
@@tigerosu2070 Actually if they are anthropomorphic animals, then they are part of the fandom like it or not. Nobody has a right to kick people out of that fandom for being attractive to non-human beings that thinks human-like, even if they are zoophilia (though, I do hope those who has urges after real-world non-human animals do get help to lower the urges)...
8:32
*Nice framerate ya got there.*
"Mario isn't a kid's game"
Literally every Mario game: Are you sure about that?
The games can be enjoyed by all ages
@@fungusmeister259 true
@SonicChasoZero lmaoo 😂🤣 I can imagine him saying " u stupid bitch" or something like that
Rammy it doesn’t change the fact it’s meant for kids
Rammy yes, but the target audience is children.
"Mario's not for kids"
Mario today: ✂️✏
producers: hm
*types emojis including 🎸❤️💃🎙*
producers *new boss?*
That one rock paper siccors boss fight in paper mario origami king
@@Chungle-nx3nt Handaconda has a name...
Ah yes, the Dual-Bladed Duelist and the Missile Maestro
@@shardtheduraludon the only name i remember is the disco devil lol
omg mario is too childish!
*Lets remove the peace sign, thats what makes him childish*
Logic
@Gabriel 2020 dude piranha plant? Those arent eyes lol they are spots. Piranha plants are real iconic as well so dat ain't happenin anytime soon
What is a god doing on the comments?
@@kirin1230 I gotta keep myself entertained, just like everyone
@@pedronovais4130 I hope our lowly human entertainment is enough to satiate you, ohh, snomly one.
@@kirin1230 It is indeed enough to satify me
I think the first example of Mario giving the "peace" sign was on the cover of the Famicom version of Super Mario 2 (the "Lost Levels" in America), where it doesn't mean "peace" or "victory" but, you know, "two"
What if Miyamoto asked them to replace the peace sign with the middle finger?
Y E S
N O
Y E E E E S S
N O O O O
To be fair, Luigi when he is without a Mushroom originally sort of put up a gesture that looked like he was flipping you in Super Mario World, but this was changed to do the same thing as Mario in Super Mario Maker 2.
Imagine assuming kids get attracted to peace signs. The question is how and why would they? :/
In Japan it's a thing done by kids
@@MoronBoshi Kids in America do it too.
@@ElectroBlastLuigi Yes but in Japan it's much bigger
By playing Mario they do.
...
Come on don't tell me that's just a me thing!
It’s just seen as a cute symbol people like to do. Especially in animes you’ll see that a lot.
in the 90's this was Mario's go to Victory Pose, I have found it weird that I hadn't seen it in so long
1:23 "back in the 1980s" (shows footage with a 90s game in the background)
Miyamoto: Peace Sign was never an option.
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Meanwhile Yoshi has never stopped making the peace sign.
Yes but Yoshi _is_ supposed to be cutesy.
Nintendo: we gonna ban this gesture from every mario game
Luigi’s mansion: heh..
Edit:wow this has alot of likes
Firework Freddy
They said *mario* not Luigi 😏
Luigi's mansion is like 1/3 horror game and still managed to get that in the game
Wario Land 4: *laughs in double peace sign*
The peace sign was also in super Mario maker 2 the super Mario world theme he does the peace sign
Bro, they removed it from the Super Mario RPG remake trailer 💀💀💀
I got a Mario ad just now...
They're on to us
"the gesture is not sseen on [Super Mario Odyssey's boxart]
mario: *holding two fingers up*
me:.....wat?
Thumb is included, not the real peace sign.
It is the Peace Sign. It's because Miyamoto wanted Mario to be for "older audiences" but it was already too late
Wow. It's almost as if we watched the same video.
Ragamuffin Skullman just a TL;DR
Honestly, I thought all of Mario’s victory animations when grabbing a moon was just a random “Rock, Paper, Scissors” thing
Personally, I don't like the look of the Modern Mario-Peace Sign.
When chunky little 16-bit or low-poly Mario does it, the peace sign looks cute at the end of his stubby little arms. But it feels kind of unnatural, almost uncanny on a modern and more realistic Mario. The complicated movement of outstretched arm, flipped wrist, two out of five fingers extending feels too complex on a character like Mario.
Mario is simple, he runs and jumps and spins and punches and throws things. When he looks this real and does a motion that nuanced, it looks uncomfortable. Mario's body isn't normally articulated so specifically.
I think Miyamoto and Tezuka might BOTH be wrong here. Mario is not a real person, he's a cute character. But in the current generation of graphics, "a peace sign" feels TOO realistic to look natural at the end of Mario's arm.
He was doing the peace sign in artwork that was more detailed than any of the games at the time. I'm used to it, it never seemed out of place.
Seriously nobody here is gonna mention he called Pauline a "PRINCESS"?!
@MoronicArts Those are definitely more excusable than calling Pauline a princess but sure.
I dont think Pauline is an Alicorn....
Oh sorry wrong series lol...Heheh...
@@LexiLunarpaw Oh Lol.
Change peace sign to flipping the bird sign, that will fix it.
I feel for miyamoto. It's sad that his carpenter uncle mario became 'wahoo' kids hero
Mario is not just an uncle, but a Grandpa. He’s an Uncle Grandpa!
I feel as though it's bittersweet, because Mario is still universally charming, at least to me
Ever seen Mario’s victory move on Mario Golf Toadstool Tour on Game Cube? Mario did a ✌🏻 peace sign hand!
That game wasn't developed by Nintendo. It was by Hudson Soft, if I recall correctly.
That explain way he was against giving Luigi the peace sign in Luigi Mansion
your vids are always so interesting :))
thank you!! i appreciate that :)))
While this video is 3 years old, Super Mario RPG just came out with its remake and Mario and Mallow's peace sign victory was changed. Mario just takes off his hat. Mallow just raises his hands. The ban is still in effect 😂