The Sonic timeline is crazier than you think
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As a life long sonic fan I can tell that he had to leave out a lot of lore.
Now imagine if he did videos on the spinoffs (comics shows etc.). So much would be cut out .
Now here we see a sonic scholar in its natural enviroment
They even skipped CD.
didnt really HAVE to... i actually really wish he got into more... there isactually a lot of story that happens in for instance advance and rush games...
@@Gear07 They skipped CD, Mania, 2/3 of Sonic 06 (that part he explained why he left out) and Frontiers (and I know Frontiers wasn't out at the time, but what I mean is that the video is outdated now).
Silver deserved better. He's my all time favourite Sonic character, and i wished he had gotten a better introduction game
Plus silver is kinda around for no reason now in games since he's from the future and only went to past to change the future and also isn't having silver a person from the future going to butterfly effect the future of the world.
I’ll be honest, I always thought he was an annoying character shoehorned into the series. He should’ve served his purpose in one game and that’s it.
@@SiebayPlays you are correct but the only other game besides sonic 06 would be sonic generations that would give them the ability to bring back silver for the reason of time being messed with.
Yeah sad for him
He’s better in the comics don’t worry
1:43
The IDW comics actually go into this, and the long and short of it is he believes everyone deserves a chance for redemption, and if they use that to continue being evil, he'll always be there to kick their ass over and over again.
Yes, characters call him out on it and it does come back to bite him repeatedly, but heroes must have their flaws.
Honestly, the thing that makes that philosophy makes sense, is that he's not against imprisonment (he just doesn't think of it as the immediate option) and his forgiving nature has served him and the world well before. So there is precedent.
And for the opposite, why doesn't Eggman just kill Sonic, that's gone over as well. He very easily could if he truly wanted to but he wants to prove that he is superior to Sonic.
Yup
@Kian presumption of innocence
not to mention the writer for those is now writing for Frontiers so
@Kian With Frontiers and its story now around, I came back to this video hoping the timeline video would be updated.
Also yeah...IDW is practically canon now, funny enough
Yeah, this isn't a good timeline... they left out a bunch of games for some reason.
EDIT: Here's a quick list of all the major games they left out
- SegaSonic the Hedgehog (widely theorized to be the first game in the timeline)
- Sonic CD (First appearence of Amy and Metal Sonic)
- Knuckles Chaotix (First appearence of the Chaotix)
- Sonic Mania (Explains why Classic Sonic is in Forces)
- the Sonic Advance games (First appearence of Cream)
- the Sonic Rush games (First appearence of Blaze)
- Sonic Battle
- the Game Gear games (Sonic Chaos, Sonic Triple Trouble, Tails Adventure, etc.)
Yeah, there are some games that are questionably canon like secret rings and black knight, but cd, advanced, and mania should all have been there
I pretty sure the Game Gear games were on a different timeline, considering non of the 8-bit games had any connection with the 16-bit games
This is literally my first time hearing about Segasonic... and I just looked it up and Tails and Mighty are in it so how can it be the beginning of the timeline?
@@priestesslucy3299 that's not tails, that's ray the squirrel
@@priestesslucy3299 The little yellow thing in SegaSonic is not Tails, it's Ray the Flying Squirrel, they are different characters
“Why doesn’t Sonic just kill Robotnik?”
Second Sonic movie, Patterrz.
Fun fact: alongside the 10 endings, Shadow The Hedgehog also has 326 uniquely named paths to get to those ending
In only one he goes to Aldi
there's a couple of details that didn't get included in this timeline. Here's a few:
Sonic CD is... a weird game to not include given it's the first appearance of Amy and Metal Sonic on top of now officially taking place between Sonic 1 and 2.
The GBA games are the most confusing of the bunch. While Advance 1 and 2 could happen just fine (on top of 2 being Cream's first game), Advance 3 is a direct sequel to Sonic Battle. Said game features a Shadow that has no amnesia and has embraced his past as Gerald's creation. My guess is that the timeline splits before converging in 06.
Speaking of 06, despite the disappearing of Solaris, there is some evidence in later games that it wasn't a full reset. Notably, Blaze remembers Crisis City.
The Rivals games reveal that a different version of Iblis now known as Ifrit still exists and that Eggman had a descendant known as Eggman Nega (formerly said to be from an alternate dimension in the Rush games), who became evil because the Robotnik name got sullied by Eggman's many failures, which caused him to be looked down by others. He gets called out by Shadow, who says that's just an excuse (and given Eggman was still evil even after looking up to Gerald, he's not wrong).
And also the handheld version of Sonic 2 which takes place before the console version and is the first appearance of Mecha-Sonic and Tails.
Personally I think the reason why Blaze remembers crisis city is because she was sent to another dimension before the timeline being reset, thus meaning that she would be immune to any changes that happens in sonics world
@@FierceDIO Actually 8-bit Robot Sonic is Silver Sonic. the 16-bit one is called Robo-Sonic according to LEGO Dimensions, and since that was his latest appearence, we have to count that as his new name. Mecha is still the one from 3&K
Also, if Pat has not seen SnapCube’s Sonic dubs in whole, (he made a “piss on the moon” reference, but that joke went viral on its own) then here’s my petition for him to watch them.
Edit: Thinking about it more, if Pat would want to dip his toes in first, then he should watch one of the abundant compilations of the RTFD Sonic series to check if their humor aligns.
YES!
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Funny how Patt is making the connection between Chaos and Cell from Dragonball...
When Chaos' form is basically that of a gigantic biological cell
This timeline is incorrect. Sonic CD is between Sonic & and Sonic 2. If it wasn't already obvious by the fact that it was before sonic and tails were friends, it should be because Sonic Origins doubles down on this by placing Sonic CD between Sonic 1 & 2 with an animated cutscene of Sonic saving Tails from the other foxes who were bullying him for having two tails and learning to spin his tails in order to catch up to Sonic.
this is timeline is missing like 3 games lmao
@@robplaysstuff6029 it’s missing much more than 3
“Sonic noob”
Proceeds to talk about how he has fond memories of playing these games throughout the video
He's more of a Sonic novice
I mean, he never said he was good.
Fun fact about Forces, Super Sonic was for once finally not part of the finale because Super Sonic mode was dlc…I’m not joking…
Super Sonic wasn't present in the final battle of Lost World either.
@Derek Stryder Still wasn’t DLC tho…
A little late to answer, but I have pondered this myself. Aside from “it’s a franchise” reasoning, The reason sonic doesn’t just kill Eggman, it’s because Eggman doesn’t needlessly kill or slaughter, Sonic and friends are constantly at odds with Eggman and his robots so the only times Eggman “kills” is when someone opposing him dies to one of his traps or mechs.
Sonic even Has a line in sonic adventure 2 is response to the gravity of a threat Eggman makes.
Sonic only kills, when it’s absolutely necessary.
i love how pat goes from "yeah, that makes sense" and "that's kinda stupid" to "what?" "what is happening?"
This man went from quoting Sonic adventure 2 fandub dark story to having the exact same reaction to the pyramid rockets as Alfred did in the hero story
I can't believe it, a Sonic video from a non Sonictuber that doesn't excessively mock the series. They also did a pretty good job summarizing the plots of the games discussed in this video (even though I think you could argue for a few games they left out being canon).
Another thing, Sonic Mania and/or the Sonic Mania Adventures mini series take place directly after Sonic Forces.
Seeing the classic Sonic we see in the animation appear out of a "Phantom Ruby bubble" thing with the same pose he made when disappearing at the end of Forces.
Why after? Wouldnt it be before?
@@hendeyjagger7489 no
@@hendeyjagger7489 I'm not sure about the game, but definitely Adventures because of the Phantom Ruby teleport animation that plays and Sonic appears at the center of it.
Now the game? It honestly COULD take place before, but I don't, and not sure if anyone else, has any evidence for that.
To answer your questions
The reason Sonic doesn't kill Eggman is because Eggman is really his only source of entertainment and would be bored if he wasn't around
Eggman gets most of his funds from the casino's he runs as well as selling inventions he made as a boy
Super Sonic was originally going to appear in Sonic 1 with a different design but due to constraints he was scrapped, then in Sonic 2 when he first appeared the creator based his design off Super Saiyan as a homage since he was a huge Dragon Ball fan
While Chaos did take some inspiration from Cell, he was mainly based off the real-life organism known as Chaos Genus
Contrary to popular belief Shadows design is most likely based off a mural depicting Super Sonic instead of Vegeta
Rouge was made to be a rival to Knuckles, her design was to show a more feminine appearance to bounce off of Knuckles fear of women (He's canonically shy)
Sonic Adventure 2 was originally supposed to be the last Sonic game
It's not known if the Shadow the Hedgehog game is canon
The Chaotix actually first debuted in the Knuckles spinoff game "Knuckles Chaotix" as friends of Knuckles
Tails and Knuckles do actually *kinda* have their own super forms in the classic games, Tails fur gets slightly brighter while Knuckles turns pink
Sonic 06 was meant to be a reboot for the franchise
In 06 Silvers file mentions Trunks saying that he was heavily inspired by the character
Did I miss anything?
Super/Hyper Knuckles and Super Tails are So Cool.
Excluding them from the modern timeline is so dumb
@Kian sorry I wasn't aware of that
Sonic 06 was not meant to be a reboot. That's a misinterpreted line from a developer interview that likened it to Batman Arkham Origins (which is why people thought it was reboot) and Spider-Man 2 (which is why it's NOT a reboot). It's actually just meant to be a massive blockbuster story, and you can clearly tell that despite how bad the game itself ended up being, the ambition is very much still there in the released product.
@kian7406which path is a very good question given that there's 326 of them
Came from the stream and not gonna lie, Pat reacted to something interesting and I was in the stream watching too. You should watch it to understand though. Great video btw.
Hold on, since when has there been a classic timeline and a modern timeline? I could have sworn that they're both the same timeline.
Sonic Forces basically wrote in that Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic are from different dimensions and not different points in time. The way Classic comes to Forces after his story in Mania, too, supports the two timelines.
@@myguy4203 sega explained that after the events of Sonic Generations, Classic's timeline was separated and became its own, while Modern Sonic still experienced all of the past games
@@dashromero6615 forces is just dumb like that
2:45 dude... Sonic is Japanese, not American
Oh forget it, someone already told him in the stream (just noticed it was a stream)
i mean he's technically correct as sonic 2 was made by an american team
theres only one timeline by the way, the japanese version of forces uses a word that can mean "dimension" as it was translated in the west but is actually closer to "another place" or "another world" in a broad sense
1:43 That's a plot point in the Comics actually.
Sonic Sees it as HIS values, to not kill unless there's no choice, and there's inherit benefits to robotnic/Eggman being around (Shadow, Blaze and Omega and I bet more would have never met sonic.)
9:10 "how does he have so much money"
It's hinted in that nothing he makes costs anything because it's fully automated and Eggman is broke most of the time
Fun fact: the reason the whole "sonic is confused to be shadow" thing is because, originally, there was going to be a character that looked similar to sonic, taking shadows spot in the story. Buuut they scraped that character and used shadow instead, and for some reason keeping the whole "confuse the two characters as the same person" plot in the original plot even though it doesn't make sense now with shadow taking the scrapped characters place
@@kewpiesensei I think so. Been a bit so I don't quite remember
@@bardofboars7226 to correct you in the Japanese version in the game they didn’t confuse sonic with shadow they arrested sonic because gun wanted project shadow to stay out of the public
@@bardofboars7226 and said shadow was a variation of super sonic that’s why
@@shake1414 huh, so they changed it in the Japanese version but kept the original idea in the English version? Strange
@@bardofboars7226 Well the Japanese ver. is the original, right?
In the old sonic comics it's said that eggman is actually playing with sonic but can actually destroy sonic at any time eggman wants
I really want to see patterz reaction to Splatoon lore while it isn't as dark as Kirby lore it's a pretty close second.
Just wait until you get into the idw comics. Eggman created a virus that turns everyone into zombie robots, and nearly everyone, including sonic, is infected.
The reason sega got away with ripping off super Saiyan is because after sonic 1, sonic team split. Half formed sonic team Japan to work on sonic CD while half formed sonic team USA to develop sonic 2. DBZ hadn’t really gained fame in the US yet, so they used the idea and got away with it.
6:27 BRO THEY SKIPPED SONIC CD
HOW DARR THEY
And same goes to Mania XD
Also skipped Boom, but so did Sonic Team.
It was made before origins
@@Swagpion
But CD is still considered canon before Origins, just some people were confused about when CD happened
I feel like Pat might just give up if he ever tries to understand the lore in the Xenoblade Chronicles games.
or metal gear solid lore.
"THIS ROBOT IS MARY MAGDELENE, Y'KNOW, FROM BIBLE??"
1:41
Plot armor
Eggman survived his death star rippoff blowing up while inside a Giant robot (which is also blowing up seperate to the death star rippoff) falling into orbit, crash landed into an active volcano, and not a single scratch on him (note that all that happened in the same game, in that exact order, back to back)
As a true Sonic scholar I approve of this video
This video reminds me: PLEASE watch the Sonic Fandub
It has a lot of the haha funni
if you play the first Bayonetta you'll see that eventually, in the timeline, sonic kills (well we assume it was sonic) eggman
Eggman just runs a bunch of amusement parks and casinos on the side, that's where he gets his funding
I'd watch a different timeline video because the one you reacted to is missing Sonic Cd, which introduces Metal Sonic and Amy.
Another cool lore video is Badly Explaining the ENTIRE Fate Series in 30 MINUTES.
Loving the timeline videos~
This sure was a pretty cool Patterz reaction
they forgot sonic mania there the plot involves the phatom ruby which is supposed to be like a counter to the chaos emeralds and the new character Sage seems a lot like infinite so there must be a connection to the phatom ruby
Technically, Sonic has regularly tried to defeat Eggman permanently. He regularly destroys robots that Eggman is piloting, making them blow up.
The problem is that Eggman keeps surviving everything (kinda like Bowser).
I know I'm a certified Sonic Scholar because when you mentioned "why are these Americans stealing my stuff" in regards to Super Sonic stealing Super Saiyan, my first thought was "somebody's going to say Sonic is Japanese but technically Sonic 2 was mostly created by SEGA of America" 💀
Bro I just realised that Sonic 2 introduced the death egg in 1972 and the death star was introduced in 1996 ( novelisation )
okay that guy did forget Sonic CD Wich is chronologically for Sonic the Hedgehog 2 where he meets amy first time and did collect time stones instand of the chaos emeralds
and aslo a lot more but i don't know where to put them in the time line
23:12 egg man’s doing the magalor thing
The moment i saw his confused face when learning about 06, i was like 'oh hell nah' 😂😂😂
Team Chaotix has the most relatable story in sonic heroes. They're just trying to pay their rent.
"it's a kid's game"
shadow shoots dr eggman in the face in one game, and it fades to black
When the sonic is sus😳
All right, here's the actual full timeline (note that some of the placements are conjecture on my part, but the games themselves are indeed canon):
Classic:
Sonic 1 (8-bit/16-bit)
Sonic CD
Sonic 2 (16-bit)
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Sonic 2 (8-bit)
SegaSonic
Spinball
Chaos
Drift
Sonic 4
Triple Trouble
Drift 2
Knuckles' Chaotix
Tails' Sky Patrol
Tails' Adventure
Labyrinth
Sonic the Fighters
3D Blast
Blast
R
Mania
IDW Comics (Classic Era)
Superstars
Modern:
Advance
Advance 2
Adventure
Shuffle
Adventure 2
Heroes
Shadow
Battle
Advance 3
Rush
Rush Adventure
'06
Rivals
Rivals 2
Secret Rings
Unleashed
Black Knight
Riders
Riders: Zero Gravity
Free Riders
Colors (Wii/DS)
Generations
Lost World
Prime
Sonic Comic
Team Sonic Racing
Forces
IDW Comics (Modern Era)
TailsTube
Frontiers
The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog
Dream Team
The guys name is Mario-
Mario: E-123 Omega is trying to straight up KILL Eggman.
Patterz: Oh my god! YES!
Me: *contemplating on telling the man he's never actually succeeded in the last 20 years*
Me: Awesome! I love the Sonic fanbase!
Me after 15 seconds: "Sonic scholars"? I forgot the Snapcube Sonic fanbase wasn't the only one.
In my opinion
The original classic sonic games for the megadrive belong to the modern sonic timeline
And the mobile versions to the mania timeline
Why? Because at the end of generations sonic AND tails go to green hill, to sonic 1
In the mobile version you can play with sonic and tails
Sounds like an small change
But remember the butterfly effect
You could step on a bug and change the world's fate
Or also the timeline could change like in dragon ball
In the past where trunks goes, androids 17 and 18 wake up android 16, and they are also much stronger than in trunks's future
Merely by the fact that he TRAVELLED back in time
So, chaning the course of a whole event like sonic 1 was maybe made the timeline shoft and that brought the phantom ruby to existence
Yeah the all dimensions thing got retconned
The shadow story in the cartoon was amazing
Shadow is a hedgehog alien named the black arms hybrid from the 4000 year old leader of said aliens that is baised of the mural of Hyper Sonic in the doomsday zone
1 - sonic 1 came out 1991
2 - sonic is a japanese character
Surely you know, but i wouldnt feel well with myself if i didnt tell this
harvest the wisps?? that's kyuubey talk
Best part: his name is Mario talking about sonic
Super sayain isn’t something Toriyama made, it’s an old Japanese myth that DBZ made popular
We’ll, in the movie sonic literally drops a giant robot on eggman, and that was ok so you are right
1:51 he also tears the earth apart by accident one time
I think you should check out J's Reviews' version of Sonic timeline since it's more complete, including various spin-off games
Bru they totally skipped mania. It takes place both before and after forces
I love that everytime Pat watches a timeline video he's like "Just kill them"
Says the PokeTuber where the heroes never kill the bad guys in the Pokemon series
Comic Drake did a Sonic timeline video too and it included a bunch of games that weren't included like Sonic Rush
If sonic killed robotnik then there wouldn't be any sequels and sonic movies
That perfect chaos/cell comparison was a stretch
I keep coming back to this video, and every time I hear why dosent Sonic just kill robotnic, it makes me think of batman and joker
To the question of murdering Robotnik, it's simple: Kintobor, Robotnik before the Chaos Emeralds corrupted him, was a father figure to Sonic. There's probably some emotional baggage attached to that.
In the Archie comics, that is
@@gogito2379 I swear it was the fleetway comics backstory
Patt's voice is much too high pitched for him to do a proper Shadow impression, but hey, he gave it some good effort.
Soon pat will know all the timelines
I never realized that Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles is the source plot for Sonic 2
If sonic is a hedgehog, the spindash would possibly kill someone so he could’ve just spindashed Dr.Robotnic and killed him just like what Patterz said
“You do murdering in kids games.”
Me when Undertale:
Idk if undertale is a kids game
I mean. Kingdom Hearts is right there
@@hopscotch1049 True. I mean the first game alone had you prevent a Class Z apocalypse but nobody seems to realize that.
Undertale isn’t a kids game
1:37-1:43 They ask and answer this question in the current comic series.
Answer for Sonic not killing Eggman: Sonic thinks everybody should have a chance at freedom, but also thinks everybody shouldn't take away anyone else's freedom.
15:18 in all this they never mention Sonic CD which is metal sonic origin game
THEY SKIPPED SONIC CD AND THAT IS A HUGE MISTAKE
Sonic chooses not to kill Robotnic/Eggman because he has more fun when Robotnic/Eggman is alive and after him even though this puts entire planets in danger quite often.
Sonic outright said he won't kill Eggman/Robotnic because he values freedom and lets people make their mistakes.
Fun fact: before sonic 1, Sega relesed a comic priquel to the game, in the comic you find out that eggman and sonic wer best friends, and eggman create the Chaos emerald to absorb all evil in the world, and becose of an acident that fused eggman whit The evil in the Chaos emerald and an egg, and then sonic 1 happen
False
The "wisps" let's see where else is there wisps....
The creator of DBZ and Sonic are actually friends, which is why they're chill about it.
I just realized something now that I'm much more knowledgeable about Sonic lore.
Sonic Forces could have the resistance be the Freedom Fighters. We could've had Sally since she did appear in a Sonic game once.
This would've been great fanservice (better than allowing you to have your OC in the game) if the writing was good.
As someone who found Shadow a boring and unnecessarily edgy character, I love his story and ended up having a complete change of heart. His game is the pinnacle of all of that. Or should I say All of Me?
Also Sonic 06 is subjectively not a bad game.
Just the Bugs and the Loadtimes
P-06 is making it a good one
They forgot Sonic Mania 😭
The Sonic timeline is indeed true. However it’s so inconsistent, like with the moon exploding. The 2D games make it hard to pin down as well. Like we know Sonic Advance 2 is before Sonic Heroes and Sonic Advance 3 is after Sonic Battle but how does Silver know Blaze when she’s from another dimension from Sonic’s time as shown in Sonic Rush? Thanks to Sonic Rivals his meeting with Sonic in Sonic 2006 never happened so they just retconned that whole game from existence but Sonic 2006 still *shows up later in Sonic Generations!* It’s crazy.
10:13 sound like some lore from some game that starts with k and ends in irby
1:37 as a fan of the idw Sonic comics, I as that question every day
Who else came from the stream
Me
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If their son is a sonic scholar then you should be proud of them. They'll never do harm to anyone.
Eggman made the amusement park to get on Kirby's good side
The cannon fact is that the emeralds absorb themselves into their current holder
Egg man is powerful enough to destroy the moon by pissing on it! 😂
Cant believe they didnt include THE OFFICIAL FUCKING SONIC ROBLOX GAME that definitely isnt pay to win and definitely adds a lot to the story.
8:58
Well at least they could try to freeze chaos
I would throw spongebob at chaos
22:50
Sonic and the secret rings... he turns darkspine there
And in sonic and the black knight, in there he uses excaliburn and makes a golden armor appear
And in the wii version of colors
There theres no final boss super form
There is on the ds version tho