“Just kill him” Killing Ganon just reincarnates him in the next generation. Sealing him holds him off for as long as the seal holds, which tends to be for quite a while.
Obviously. But looks like there is really dumb people , and those People are suppose to "explain " the timeline to other without knowing something as obvious as That...sad
@@RikThunder33 but if nobody knows about the curse, why aren't they killing him? like, to argue that you can't kill him cuz he'll reincarnate you should first know that he'll reincarnate?
@@capsey_ there is a difference. I'm sure they know that he always seems to come back when killed. But they would not necessarily know that bloodlines were cursed. It makes sense to seal him, even if the seal will weaken because it seems to at least buy some time of peace. Arguably longer than after his death. But I'm not sure.
The timeline makes sense to me but I completely understand how people could be confused. They make the games while jumping around places in the timeline so it’s not as simple as release order.
I remain convinced they had at best a couple of direct sequels but they were their own universes until fans kept saying there's a timeline enough they decided to make one up to get them to stop. Oh, and also to help sell a 30 dollar book. That I have. It was on sale.
And then after they made the timeline they were like “fuck how do we keep making games without contradicting ourselves?” And so after a few games they decided “fuck it this game takes place so far in the future nothing else matters”
Nah, I think 50's about right. There's all the people with stalls at the Bazaar plus their family, the knights, the knight apprentices, the academy staff, and the ordinary residents (and one not-so-ordinary resident). The ordinary residents probably total close to 20.
Owlan Horwell Gaepora Link Zelda Groose Cawlin Stritch Pipit Pipit's Mom Kukiel Kukiel's mom Kukiel's Dad, Batreaux Karane Old lady in the academy Gondo Gondo's mom/wife Mr Skyloft Item Check Girl Bertie (Potion guy) Luv (Potion mom) the baby (Potion son) Beedle Piper (the kid who rolls into the tree) Piper's mom Orielle Parrow Sparrot (Fortune teller) Kina (pumpkin daughter) Pumpkin guy Keet (Pumpkin young boy) Pumpkin Old Man Beedle two other guys chillin in the bazaar Eagus Fledge the 3 knights who save u when u fall and fart gas in the beginning of the ceremony Total: 40
@@kokijjijktfgdhjw3576 Carpenter guy? You mean the guy with the big nose? I thought he was Kukiel's father? Maybe I've got things mixed up. And why isn't Gondo on your list? How did you forget the Scrap Shop tinkerer of all characters? He has a mother, too, who complains about always having to wash his clothes. So aren't there 42 people on Skyloft?
I think the idea is that what we see of Skyloft is just the Knight's Academy and Temple area, and there are more lands with way more people out there in the sky somewhere that we don't see, because none of the important stuff happens there.
The Zelda in Twilight Princess was honestly very epic on her own right. Probably the first canon Zelda to carry a sword. The one in Spirit Tracks was a very delicate flower who was afraid of everything, but she's also the Zelda who does the most in her game, actively being a playable character and hard-carrying plenty.
She carries a lot of burdens. Most of the time she sets things in motion to allow Link to even start his quest like with splitting the Triforce, telepathy, generally getting him where he needs to go while she handles things behind the scenes. Also The Wind Waker is the first time we see her with a sword (the Master Sword no less) and even before then as Tetra she carried a dagger and saved Link’s life. Ocarina of Time is a little hard to tell probably due to the limitations but Sheik is shown with a knife fighting alongside Link in official artwork and the skills he does have suggests a lot of combat training under Impa.
Genuinely the funniest thing to me about the Zelda timeline is a) one time I'm pretty sure Nintendo went on record to outright state that Breath of the Wild *was* all three of the timelines at once, without explaining it, and b) having a Zelda spin-off game that wasn't mentioned here whose plot _literally revolves around all of the Zelda timelines merging,_ that they're going to slightly too much length to actively exclude from canon.
but seriously, dont even tell me that Hyrule Warriors cant be canon because it wasnt made by Nintendo Minish Cap, and borh four swords games were made by Capcom. no excuse make ot canon cmon it fixed everything so perfectly-
@@MikaylaZa also the Oracle games. Yep, Nintendo's fuck-up on the original timeline regarding the placement of those games was _Capcom's_ fault. But no, the reason it can't be canon is because Nintendo doesn't want it to be (and also cuz, like, Hyrule Warriors isn't actually _in_ any of the regular timelines, to begin with. Like, where would you even place it, when elements of all three timelines are treated as alternate universes)
@@RabblesTheBinx actually, the original timeline for Hyrule Warriors would be somewhere after Spirit Tracks. At least as far as I would guess. Because one of the early stages of the game takes place in the Hero of Times era and in the beginning cut scene impa is said to ‘Recognize it from the era of the Hero of Time’. Meaning, in this case, they didn’t switch dimensions, they went back in time. In the Downfall Timeline, the Hero of Time is called The Fallen Hero. In the Child timeline, as far as the rest of the world is concern, there is quite literally never been such thing as a ‘Hero of Time’. So the most likely timeline is the adult timeline, the only one that remembers and would actively care about The Hero of Time. Put that at the end of the timeline, and-
Between Majora's mask and Twilight Princess, there was another war. The Hylian Gerudo War. The Hero of Time fights in the war and curses himself to train the next generation. Which means he has to come back to help a lad out
In regards to the Curse. It's never actually stated but it's implied that the details of demise's curse were lost to time. A really really long time passes between Skyward Sword and Ocarina of Time countless generations pass. Most people don't even remember that Zelda is the reincarnation of the Goddess much less that there's a huge generational curse. And even if they did remember there's a good possibility that that information was lost when Ganondorf wiped out the royal family in the adult and downfall timelines. Demise is never really brought up ever again even in Link Between Worlds and Breath of the Wild which were released after Skyward sword first brought him up, even though there are still other references to that game.
Truth be told only Link, who isn't the best at talkin, was an witness to the curse. And thanks to how things went in Skyward sword nobody in his time suffered thanks to demise and as such, probably not taking it that seriously. Not to mention that most of the games have such a huge timegap between that they are just legends.
Fun Fact: Twilight Princess is the only Zelda game with a T rating and shirtless women. It’s considered the darkest game but since Majora’s Mask has stuff like for example, *transformation masks made by the faces of the dead that melds to your face* it’s a debated topic.
@@pokeymaster9415 Secret dungeon underneath that bridge piece in Gerudo Desert. Depending on the version it’s also the only way to get the green potion from the beta build due to a programming oversight.
The back of my copy of MM says 11+. That's pretty much the equivalent to a T-rating. I would argue that TWW and BotW ties as the darkest, since they are both post-apocalyptic. MM gets close, but you ultimately stop the apocalypse. They are all leagues darker than TP, though.
@@Aewon84 Post apocalyptic doesn’t instantly mean darker. They have darker *backstories* but that’s it. We don’t get to see how people react to the horrors around them or the emotional struggles and trauma of everyone besides a few select NPCs in The Wind Waker and even then they are pretty happy after a little bit of work. Breath of the Wild while worse off in comparison they still manage to do well for themselves after a century building up stable communities with people happy. Majora’s Mask revolves around the lives of these people and their existential dread as they try to make the best of things not knowing whether or not they’ll even see past the third day and Twilight Princess has people living in fear of a growing invasion where no one is safe with children being taken in broad daylight and the tortured, brainwashed citizens of another realm are forced to kill whoever gets caught in the growing expanse of their fusing worlds.
The Master Swords got a sword in the stone thing going on. On the worthy can pull it and it deflects evil so there's basically no risk in leaving it around. In fact one time it straight up regenerated from being left in it's pedestal. Also the didn't explain this well but the master sword IS more than capable of killing evil, Demise is actually killed in Skyward Sword he remains being slowly destroyed from within the master sword, but it kind of doesn't matter because reincarnation ensures that evil will rise again. The curse is less of a "haha because I have cursed you you're aways going to have a version of me after you" and more "so long as hatred exists in this world, in any form, I'm coming for that ass, and you just gotta deal with it". Seal or no Seal some form of evil will exist.
One thing: Zelda and Link aren't aware that they're part of a never-ending cycle. To put it in a way, they're reincarnated everytime with no memories of their past lives, so in-game they don't actually *know* about the curse, you get me?
Similar to Seven deadly sins where Elizabeth doesn't know about the curse on both of them to constantly be reincarnated and killed to then repeat later
Link’s not five in The Minish Cap. Youngest he’s ever been in the series is 9. His age does fluctuate though with the oldest appearing 17 but actually being 117.
I mean, it does make sense that they won’t guard the master sword that much… because they would kinda want it to be stolen, since if you’re ABLE to grab hold of and steal it, that means you’re literally destined to save the entire kingdom
We’ve seen in teaser trailers for BotW 2 that the Ganon you fight in BotW seems to be just his malice incarnate while Ganondorf’s rotting corpse is under Hyrule somewhere being held down by a glowing green hand thing while Malice spills from his chest…you should watch the first big BotW 2 trailer cause it’s actually really good if you ask me.
A few notes: Leaving the Master Sword unattended is fine because it's enchanted in such a way that evil can never touch it. Four Sword and Four Sword Adventure were multiplayer games. Link separated into four parts, which could then be controlled by four different players. The Deku Tree is sentient spirit, not just a tree. Wolf Link. Normally, human cannot enter the Twilight; those that do become formless spirits. Because TP!Link had the Trifoce of Courage, though, he became a beast instead. Link became trapped in the dream of the Windfish, which was being besieged by Nightmares (which may or may not have been yet another incarnation of Demise's hatred). He had to wake it to escape. The trailer for BOTW shows the mummified corpse of Ganondorff's human form moving. Whether he's actually being revived or someone/something else is simply puppeting his body we don't know yet.
"There are so many goddesses-" he repeats over and over. By this point four have been named. Four. Three created the world and entrusted the Triforce to the fourth, Hylia. From that point up to when he kept exclaiming about how many goddesses there are, the narrator is only talking about Hylia. Where are all these other goddesses he's on about?!
I dunno, there are for sure other types of deities. We have the Three Creator Goddesses , one Patreon Goddess and a bunch of other Gods like the God of Wind and God of Storms in Wind Waker or the Dragons of Skyward Sword or the Light Spirits in Twilight Princess, or the Great Deku Tree and so on which are worshipped as powerful Spirits or as minor Gods at least. And then we have the opposing Demon Tribe which is made of Monsters and Minor Demons trying to bring Darkness into the world. These demons are usually under the comand of "Master-Demons" which are Demons on a very high power-level that they could actually challenge the Gods or even be titled as Dark Gods, like Demise for Example, even the Lynels, which are in BotW the most powerful Non-Boss-Enemy, these are referred in the Manual of the first Zelda game as Mountaib Deities. If you look at Hyrule's Pantheon and count every type of minor or major type supernatural being, it's quiet impressive how many Deities this Pantheon has and that it isnt just made out of Big Gods but made out of Whole Tribes
There's not that many goddesses, there's only four - Din, Nayru, Farore, and Hylia. Also, this video is the only time I've ever heard anyone pronounce Ganondorf the way you say it. You even said it that way seconds after the narrator in the video pronounced it differently.
There's also the fifth, unnamed goddess of time referenced in SS, OoT and MM. Hylia made the Goddess Sword, but SS Link had to imbue it with the power of the goddess of time in her temple to turn it into the Master Sword. The Temple of Time and Ocarina of Time both borrow the goddess's power to allow time travel; in OoT, the Master Sword lets Link travel 7 years into the past/future, and in MM, the Ocarina takes him back to the morning he first arrived in Clock Town.
For Botw 2, the reason Ganon returns is because the being they killed was Calamity Ganon, the beast, and considered not to be the actual Ganon itself, you know, the one with intelligence. Botw is popularly theorized to take place so far into the future that it’s impossible to distinguish which timeline is true or which legend is accurate anymore. Here, they’re all technically true. Which begs to reason that no matter which timeline, Botw will always be the end result.
1:24 Actually, the way I understand it, if you value one trait above all others, the Triforce responds to that. Say you have someone who prefers brains over brawn touch the Triforce, all they will be left with is the Triforce of Wisdom. Whereas you have someone who's brave as hell and tries to balance both brains and brawn touch it, they may gain the full Triforce.
You don't see it in these summaries but Zelda carries more often than not. A lot of Zelda game plots can be summed up as "Zelda is busy fighting on the front line waiting on Link to get his shit together to give her some backup."
One small correction: Zelda in OoT didn't return the Master Sword to the temple because it was sent back with Link, so the sword and spirit of the reincarnating hero no longer exists. They instead build a new master sword powered by 2 sages praying instead of being permanently embued with the goddess's power, and they desperately look for Link's reincarnates not knowing none exist, but they get lucky with a random kid being a fitting replacement who does a frontflip stabbing Ganondorf in the face, where he gets stoned
Vaati is not reincarnated but he was corrupted. Really sad in all honesty as he was just a child that was possessed by dark powers. The fact he even appeared in Four Swords implies he relapsed after the events of The Minish Cap.
Vaati wasn't possessed by anything. He was power-hungry and decided to use his powers for evil. I know he's redeemed in the manga, but that's not canon.
Fi is not a goddess, just a weapon spirit. At most we only have four that were confirmed. It’s possible different realms and continents have their own gods as seen with the Lokomo tribe but that’s about it.
As I huge zelda fan, I love watching this reaction. Haha, if only he knew it was actually waaaaay more complicated than this when you get into the knitty gritty
Ok, tbf about termina. Link goes to some woods, a couple of fairies steal his ocarina, he then jumps inside a tree and basically Alice in wonderland happens.
This video didn't really explained Wind Waker very well. The Link of that game is not a reincarnation of the previous heroes like the Links in the two other timelines. The Hero of Wind is basically just a random kid who got so pissed off that Ganondorf kidnapped his sister that he forced the gods to make him the new hero so he could go kick his ass.
@@Aewon84 Except it make complete sense with everything we know that Wind Waker Link would have no connection with the other heroes. If anything the only unreliable narrator in Wind Waker is Ganondorf who does confuse Link as someone connected to the past heroes.
Yes, Link, the Hero of Winds, whose just some random kid on an island who got pissed that Shrek’s cousin and some oversized chicken kidnapped his sister, so he forced the gods to make him the new hero so he could go and make mincemeat out of the last member of an extinct race of desert women.
I think it's implied that Oracle of Ages/Seasons happen shortly after A Link to the Past, and Link's Awakening happens as he's sailing home after those adventures. Not the other way around as presented here. But that's a relatively minor detail in the broad scheme of things.
That was retconned in one of the other books. Now I believe he's an entirely new Link who lives between ALttP and ALBW. It could have been to explain how the Triforce split again after ALttP.
aLttP-ooa/oos-LA: is the order most fans agree with. Nintendo changed it for some reason and so makes a little less sense. this video went with what is canon by nintendo, but imo it doesnt work
Back when Awakening first came out, before the Oracle games existed, Awakening was presented as a sequel to LttP, happening soon afterward, with the same Link. Obviously the timeline shifts as new games are added, but that was the original intention.
@@AllenMS828 I think people are saying they are all the same Link. LA's backstory is that after restoring the Triforce Link goes on adventures in other countries, but is lost at sea on his way home to Hyrule. In the Oracle games the restored Triforce sends Link on adventures in other countries and at the end Link leaves to return to Hyrule by sea.
Demises curse will last forever as long as zelda and link keep resurrecting. So unless hylia herself removes the resurrection ganondorf will always be there, regardless of death or sealing
I remember watching a reaction to the BoTW sequel trailer once (I think it was DeeBeeGeek?) and he basically said he'd avoided watching the trailer because he hadn't beaten BoTW yet and didn't want to be spoiled. The first BoTW2 trailer doesn't really spoil anything from BoTW...UNLESS you've played other Zeldas before. That corpse's reveal is huge if you know who that is, but if you started with BoTW you'd have no idea. I can't think of any other series where you can get that effect...it's really something. Oh also, as a Zelda and Elder Scrolls fan, our timeline woes could all be solved by two words: Dragon. Break.
Mario Lore: Pretty much the same plot of Mario trying to save a Princess from Bowser. Zelda Lore: Has Time traveling and sometimes have the games timeline mixed. Kirby Lore: Characters are cute, music is a banger, and final boss lore is deep and dark. Pokemon Lore: POKEDEX
the newer the game the more it actually fits into the timeline since they actually already started a timeline, the older the game the less it makes any sense
2:12 what is showed in the game is the bare minimum of what we are told. every towns in the games have like 5 to 20 people living there, but in reality they are hundreds of people. same for most video games actually. skyrim, for exemple. you go to what is supposed to be the capital of the country, but there's only a few houses. in the lore they are thousands of people living in that city
Game theory actually made a video on the Zelda timeline a few years back, and i believe it still holds up, it also makes some things clearer and understandable
Would absolutely recommend playing breath of the wild. It is an absolute gem, and now Would be the perfect time since the sequel is just around the corner!
You posted this shortly after I finished MM3D. And speaking of MM, I could've sworn I saw you in the comments of one of chuggaaconroy's videos of his LP of it. I later saw RabbidLuigi but that was more expected as I already knew he liked Chugga and Zelda.
From my limited understanding, the Master Sword is supposed to consume away the evil that is sealed within it. Which might also be the reason why the Master Sword weakens over time, hence why it needs to be charged in some of the titles. Ganon(dorf) having the triforce of power probably prolongs it just a tiny bit.
Nintendo NEVER could have imagined or planned that they would still make "The Legend of Zelda" entries to this day, so the "complete timeline", characters and events obviously cant make sense in every way, ! BUT ! the "complete history" spans over thousands, ten thousands, maybe hundred thousands of years, and like in our real world history, some informtion about specific happenings just got lost to time or were passed down in a slightly exaggerated or wrong way, and this kinda is what makes the "complete timeline" so intriguing. there is a great sense of mystery JUST BECAUSE you cant explain everything! but of course, its so much fun and so interessting, trying to wrap your head around on what and how things happened in this universe.
i imagine having a baby with all ganondorfs memories would be terrifying > Dr "Mrs Johnson Congratulation, hes a boy." > Hands baby to mom > Mrs Johnson "I want to name him after your late grandfather dear, he meant so much to you." > Mr Johnson "Ahh, I love you so much, thank you. > Baby "You Will Name Me Ganondorf" *EVERYONE TURNS TO LOOK AT THE BABY IN SILENCE*
Not surprising, when the first games were made I doubt they thought it would go this far or need a story, you couldn't really tell a good one with the limitations of the hardware at the time so they didn't put much effort into it. Now that it's pretty much required to have a big story they had to retroactively connect some plot points that just don't make sense. Personally I think they've done a decent job of fitting them together.
"there's a lot of goddesses running around." no, there are four in existence, and zero fully active ones. also, you kept saying that "why don't they just break the curse?" and the answer is very simple: they don't know they're cursed. the curse just makes them reincarnate with the same characteristics, not the same memories.
11:55 I think it's worth mentioning that when HoT went back to the child timeline he took the triforce of courage with him. Or rather it stayed but for some reason broke into pieces like in windwaker (Adult timeline) but he still had it as a child because "bringing it with him" caused the triforce in the past to automatically scatter to their chosen bearers so it's not even in the sacred realm. This is What we see in Twilight Princess when they try to execute Ganondorf and he randomly gets the triforce of power (Child timeline)
There’s a running theory that the Zelda timeline can only end if Zelda dies, thus ending Demise’s curse. The only reason Ganondorf keeps returning is because of Demise’s hatred for Zelda/the Goddess’ Bloodline still persisting. If she’s killed however, then Ganondorf wouldn’t be fueled by his ancestor’s desires, and the perpetual cycle of misery that Hyrule faces should end. BoTW2 might explore that concept, as there’s apparently been interviews with Nintendo, stating they want to make BoTW2 pretty dark, almost like Majora’s Mask. What’s darker than the titular princess being killed with no future heir in her bloodline, (since BoTW Zelda’s life was put on pause for a century, after anyone she would’ve been proposed with marrying had died out by the Calamity)? No one who shares her blood destroys any incentive for Ganon/Ganondorf to come back to kill them.
So I don't know how popular this fan theory is, but there is a fan Theory that Hyrule Warriors is where the timelines merged to possibly create Breath of the Wild's Hyrule. However, since Hyrule Warriors was made by Koei Tecmo, Team Ninja, and Omega Force instead of Nintendo, it is not officially considered Canon to the Zelda timeline.
~12:55~ Fun fact: Majora's Mask was created because a dev challenged another dev to make a zelda game in a year. If you play Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time, you'll notice there's a lot of model and prop recycling.
Not entirely true... we don’t know who named him. Then again Ganondorf may be the only male Gerudo name since they are only born every hundred years. Going on a tangent here, the Gerudo rely on finding boyfriends with the Hylians in neighboring lands to reproduce... which I believe is just the series way of saying these warrior women rely on prostitution to survive. They even have a religion that forbids men (besides their king) from entering their lands unless they have permission.
Breath of the Wild's Zelda is highkey just as strong, if not stronger, than Link. Honestly, that's probably why Gannon takes her all the time instead of link.
"What dictates Wisdom?" ...the Goddesses, obviously. "Oooohhhhh! THIS Zelda came from the original Zelda whose actually a Goddess!" Yeah, it's called "Reincarnation." Each Zelda, Link, and Ganon are reincarnations of The Goddess who took on a mortal form, The first Hero, and The Demon King.
BotW has many traits that seem to indicate it could be any timeline or perhaps some sort of united timeline. This could be explained by one of two theories: 1)All the Legend of Zelda games are exactly that, Legends. Stories told across generations that historians are trying to piece together, but can't settle on one historically accurate explanation, unsure of what is true or myth. This could also explain why the same characters like Tingle and Beedle keep appearing in various games separated by hundreds or even thousands of years. And 2)the non-canon spinoff game Hyrule Warriors, which pulls events and characters from all three timelines, pulled all of them into one unified timeline, thus ending the split. Game Theory has two episodes examining the Zelda timeline. Whatever it is, it's all so Nintendo don't use the timeline anymore.
Also Link has never been and adult, the oldest he's technically ever gotten is 17 or 117 if you count botw's 100 years. Also most Zelda games start with Link sleeping.
Sir, first KH, then Kirby, and now this..... You now have an enthusiastic sub lol I know it's probably been said to you, but there's only 4 Goddesses in Total. The 3 Golden Goddesses: Din of Power, Nayru of Wisdom, and Farore of Courage. And then Hylia, who is the Goddess of Time (usually.) Hylia creates the Goddess Sword, and then chooses to be reborn as a Hylian (Human) to be able to use the Triforces power. (Edit) The king's name is Daphnes. Not Daftness. But, y'know, captions...
The video skipped something important about the Adult Timeline. Link's spirit no longer existed in that timeline. The new Link in Wind Waker is someone completely disconnected from the curse and the past, and the game itself is about this new person forging their own path as a brand new hero.
@@calebgoodman3028 Are you replying to the right person? I mentioned the spirit being missing from the timeline. This video is the one going on about blood relatives. The TH-camr was getting that mixed up.
@@ytmikelol I was under the impression you meant that Link from The Wind Waker would be unbound by the cycle since he wasn’t related however as long as he still has a heroic spirit, even if it’s his own, it would still count. You’re right that he isn’t related but the curse would still be tied by association.
@@calebgoodman3028 Oh, I see. It's not about relations. The curse is about the "spirit of the hero" and the "blood of the goddess." Only the Zelda line is connected through lineage. There is little to do with blood relations for Link. The Links are not all descended from each other like the Zeldas are. It's more like a reincarnation for the hero's spirit, I believe. That spirit is what no longer exists in that timeline, and therefore cannot reincarnate. Wind Waker Link is about someone new.
There were some mistakes in the timeline video like how they say the Master Sword was unmoved from the Era of the Sky to the Era of the Hero of Time. The Forgotten Temple/ Sealed Temple is different from the Temple of Time, so the Master Sword must have been moved.
24:21 To be fair, only Ganondorf (btw, you say his name wrong. Gan-nun-dorf. Hard name.) remembers his past lives, since Demise is a part of him. It would never cross Link and Zelda's minds to wish away a curse they know nothing about. Every time they reincarnate, they are basically going in blind.
Link turns into a pink bunny when he enters the Sacred Realm because entering the Realm causes people to assume a form that reflects what's in their hearts. Since most people who enter the Realm are either greedy or power hungry seeking the triforce for selfish gains they end up as monsters. The Triforce might be able to break the curse if someone wished for it but that would require the wielder to actually know the curse is in place. Sealing actually works pretty well, when your enemies constantly reincarnate sealing them away is more effective than just killing them. That's why they only had to deal with Ganon a few times per timeline rathe than every few decades.
32:30 i havent thought of that yet. that botw 2 villain isnt just again ganondorf, because botw 1 was just ganon, so it makes sence that botw 2 has ganondorf as villain
There’s a few game theory episode that talk about the Zelda timeline and there’s one you should watch where they talks about how a non cannon game should be cannon to the timeline cause it links all the timelines together before Breath of the wild happens in the timeline It’s called “Game Theory Dear Nintendo i fixed your timeline”
So my theory as to where BotW falls on the timeline is that it's in a 4th timeline created from the Ocarina of Time ending where you defeat Ganondorf, but in this 4th timeline Zelda doesn't send Link back into the past instead he ends up staying and living his life in the adult timeline as the Hero of Time. This could potentially explain why all the references to the downfall and adult timeline are, but also why the kingdom hasn't outright fallen apart.
3:45 No, that's how they _explain_ having made all these games with the same central cast, although it's never explained how there are _other_ characters that seemingly reincarnate over and over again, like Impa and Dampé. Skyward Sword may be the first in the timeline, but it's nowhere near the first game they made in the series.
It's pretty much accepted at this point that Breath of the Wild is so far in the future all the timelines have converged back into one...a "Dragon Break" situation, the term taken from the lore of Elder Scrolls where a similar divergent timeline situation happened and the "Dragon Break" brought them back together with elements of the split timelines in the new one. Also a fun fact that many fans likely know but those not heavy in to LoZ might not. Robin Williams was such a big fan of the series he named his daughter Zelda...yes that is her real name and she was named after Zelda from Legend of Zelda...who HERSELF was named after Zelda Fitzgerald the famous author.
20:20, no, _Hyrule_ was washed away. When Hyrule was flooded in the backstory, there was a little bubble of the land that was preserved, intact and unflooded, which is where the final battle with Ganondorf took place.
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“Just kill him”
Killing Ganon just reincarnates him in the next generation. Sealing him holds him off for as long as the seal holds, which tends to be for quite a while.
Obviously.
But looks like there is really dumb people , and those People are suppose to "explain " the timeline to other without knowing something as obvious as That...sad
also doesnt help that nobody really knows about the curse. been too long.
@@RikThunder33 but if nobody knows about the curse, why aren't they killing him? like, to argue that you can't kill him cuz he'll reincarnate you should first know that he'll reincarnate?
@@capsey_ there is a difference. I'm sure they know that he always seems to come back when killed. But they would not necessarily know that bloodlines were cursed.
It makes sense to seal him, even if the seal will weaken because it seems to at least buy some time of peace. Arguably longer than after his death. But I'm not sure.
@@capsey_ all lot of Ganons have the triforce of power which means they can't kill him I think
This whole time I was just trying to comprehend how he pronounces Ganondorf
Ga-NON-dorf
Yea, just heard him say it for the first time seconds before this comment appeared.
@@anthonycurby4606 same hahaha
Bruh my heart.
For your safety, he does it as a joke
"Is this real, is this canon?"
"Yes, this is real, and yes, this is canon." That was perfect.
Yep
Just a perfect 4th wall break.
That was crazy
This was perfection 🤣🤣🤣
Yoooooo another lions exist
The timeline makes sense to me but I completely understand how people could be confused. They make the games while jumping around places in the timeline so it’s not as simple as release order.
I remain convinced they had at best a couple of direct sequels but they were their own universes until fans kept saying there's a timeline enough they decided to make one up to get them to stop. Oh, and also to help sell a 30 dollar book. That I have. It was on sale.
@@Yakshimara I would believe that if the boxes that have the games didn’t say otherwise. 😂
And then after they made the timeline they were like “fuck how do we keep making games without contradicting ourselves?” And so after a few games they decided “fuck it this game takes place so far in the future nothing else matters”
@@sailorgallifrey1365 They did promote BotW as a soft reboot after all. Even based its concept on the first game’s theme of exploration.
@@sailorgallifrey1365 thought link reincarnated?
“That Skyloft area looks like it could house like 50 people.”
Heck, I can’t remember there being more than 15 people on there.
Nah, I think 50's about right. There's all the people with stalls at the Bazaar plus their family, the knights, the knight apprentices, the academy staff, and the ordinary residents (and one not-so-ordinary resident). The ordinary residents probably total close to 20.
Owlan
Horwell
Gaepora
Link
Zelda
Groose
Cawlin
Stritch
Pipit
Pipit's Mom
Kukiel
Kukiel's mom
Kukiel's Dad,
Batreaux
Karane
Old lady in the academy
Gondo
Gondo's mom/wife
Mr Skyloft
Item Check Girl
Bertie (Potion guy)
Luv (Potion mom)
the baby (Potion son)
Beedle
Piper (the kid who rolls into the tree)
Piper's mom
Orielle
Parrow
Sparrot (Fortune teller)
Kina (pumpkin daughter)
Pumpkin guy
Keet (Pumpkin young boy)
Pumpkin Old Man
Beedle
two other guys chillin in the bazaar
Eagus
Fledge
the 3 knights who save u when u fall and fart gas in the beginning of the ceremony
Total: 40
@@kokijjijktfgdhjw3576 Carpenter guy? You mean the guy with the big nose? I thought he was Kukiel's father? Maybe I've got things mixed up. And why isn't Gondo on your list? How did you forget the Scrap Shop tinkerer of all characters? He has a mother, too, who complains about always having to wash his clothes. So aren't there 42 people on Skyloft?
@@devonm042690 Carpenter guy meant Gondo my bad and the tinkerer is his wife/mom. I forgot their names, Ima just edit the comment
I think the idea is that what we see of Skyloft is just the Knight's Academy and Temple area, and there are more lands with way more people out there in the sky somewhere that we don't see, because none of the important stuff happens there.
They’re skipping a lot, obviously due to spoilers, but I really like this video. Really helps get a general idea of what happened.
I don't think they are worrying about spoilers, it is probably just because of time restraints.
@@gradypharr1300 Maybe.
@@calebgoodman3028 well technically the video spoils the end of some of the games and characters in it but I get what you mean
The Zelda in Twilight Princess was honestly very epic on her own right. Probably the first canon Zelda to carry a sword. The one in Spirit Tracks was a very delicate flower who was afraid of everything, but she's also the Zelda who does the most in her game, actively being a playable character and hard-carrying plenty.
She carries a lot of burdens. Most of the time she sets things in motion to allow Link to even start his quest like with splitting the Triforce, telepathy, generally getting him where he needs to go while she handles things behind the scenes. Also The Wind Waker is the first time we see her with a sword (the Master Sword no less) and even before then as Tetra she carried a dagger and saved Link’s life. Ocarina of Time is a little hard to tell probably due to the limitations but Sheik is shown with a knife fighting alongside Link in official artwork and the skills he does have suggests a lot of combat training under Impa.
Genuinely the funniest thing to me about the Zelda timeline is a) one time I'm pretty sure Nintendo went on record to outright state that Breath of the Wild *was* all three of the timelines at once, without explaining it, and b) having a Zelda spin-off game that wasn't mentioned here whose plot _literally revolves around all of the Zelda timelines merging,_ that they're going to slightly too much length to actively exclude from canon.
but seriously, dont even tell me that Hyrule Warriors cant be canon because it wasnt made by Nintendo
Minish Cap, and borh four swords games were made by Capcom. no excuse
make ot canon cmon it fixed everything so perfectly-
@@MikaylaZa also the Oracle games. Yep, Nintendo's fuck-up on the original timeline regarding the placement of those games was _Capcom's_ fault.
But no, the reason it can't be canon is because Nintendo doesn't want it to be (and also cuz, like, Hyrule Warriors isn't actually _in_ any of the regular timelines, to begin with. Like, where would you even place it, when elements of all three timelines are treated as alternate universes)
@@RabblesTheBinx actually, the original timeline for Hyrule Warriors would be somewhere after Spirit Tracks. At least as far as I would guess.
Because one of the early stages of the game takes place in the Hero of Times era and in the beginning cut scene impa is said to ‘Recognize it from the era of the Hero of Time’. Meaning, in this case, they didn’t switch dimensions, they went back in time.
In the Downfall Timeline, the Hero of Time is called The Fallen Hero. In the Child timeline, as far as the rest of the world is concern, there is quite literally never been such thing as a ‘Hero of Time’.
So the most likely timeline is the adult timeline, the only one that remembers and would actively care about The Hero of Time.
Put that at the end of the timeline, and-
breath of the wild is not all three timelines at once
@@spatzzzle Then which one is it?
Between Majora's mask and Twilight Princess, there was another war. The Hylian Gerudo War. The Hero of Time fights in the war and curses himself to train the next generation. Which means he has to come back to help a lad out
In regards to the Curse. It's never actually stated but it's implied that the details of demise's curse were lost to time. A really really long time passes between Skyward Sword and Ocarina of Time countless generations pass. Most people don't even remember that Zelda is the reincarnation of the Goddess much less that there's a huge generational curse. And even if they did remember there's a good possibility that that information was lost when Ganondorf wiped out the royal family in the adult and downfall timelines. Demise is never really brought up ever again even in Link Between Worlds and Breath of the Wild which were released after Skyward sword first brought him up, even though there are still other references to that game.
Truth be told only Link, who isn't the best at talkin, was an witness to the curse. And thanks to how things went in Skyward sword nobody in his time suffered thanks to demise and as such, probably not taking it that seriously.
Not to mention that most of the games have such a huge timegap between that they are just legends.
Fun Fact: Twilight Princess is the only Zelda game with a T rating and shirtless women. It’s considered the darkest game but since Majora’s Mask has stuff like for example, *transformation masks made by the faces of the dead that melds to your face* it’s a debated topic.
Shirtless women?!?! WHERE?
@@pokeymaster9415 Secret dungeon underneath that bridge piece in Gerudo Desert. Depending on the version it’s also the only way to get the green potion from the beta build due to a programming oversight.
Majora's Mask is dark and creepy while Twilight Princess is mostly only dark apart from that one cutscene.
The back of my copy of MM says 11+. That's pretty much the equivalent to a T-rating. I would argue that TWW and BotW ties as the darkest, since they are both post-apocalyptic. MM gets close, but you ultimately stop the apocalypse. They are all leagues darker than TP, though.
@@Aewon84 Post apocalyptic doesn’t instantly mean darker. They have darker *backstories* but that’s it. We don’t get to see how people react to the horrors around them or the emotional struggles and trauma of everyone besides a few select NPCs in The Wind Waker and even then they are pretty happy after a little bit of work. Breath of the Wild while worse off in comparison they still manage to do well for themselves after a century building up stable communities with people happy. Majora’s Mask revolves around the lives of these people and their existential dread as they try to make the best of things not knowing whether or not they’ll even see past the third day and Twilight Princess has people living in fear of a growing invasion where no one is safe with children being taken in broad daylight and the tortured, brainwashed citizens of another realm are forced to kill whoever gets caught in the growing expanse of their fusing worlds.
The Master Swords got a sword in the stone thing going on. On the worthy can pull it and it deflects evil so there's basically no risk in leaving it around. In fact one time it straight up regenerated from being left in it's pedestal.
Also the didn't explain this well but the master sword IS more than capable of killing evil, Demise is actually killed in Skyward Sword he remains being slowly destroyed from within the master sword, but it kind of doesn't matter because reincarnation ensures that evil will rise again. The curse is less of a "haha because I have cursed you you're aways going to have a version of me after you" and more "so long as hatred exists in this world, in any form, I'm coming for that ass, and you just gotta deal with it". Seal or no Seal some form of evil will exist.
One thing: Zelda and Link aren't aware that they're part of a never-ending cycle. To put it in a way, they're reincarnated everytime with no memories of their past lives, so in-game they don't actually *know* about the curse, you get me?
Yep, That's also how Buddhist and Hinduist forms of Rebirth work, they become new persons with no memories
Similar to Seven deadly sins where Elizabeth doesn't know about the curse on both of them to constantly be reincarnated and killed to then repeat later
To be fair the sealing bad guys into swords happens over 100s of generations. Like it works for a VEEEERY long time.
Can't forget about the 4th timeline. You got Adult, Child, Basketball, and the *TIMEBREAK*
Unraveled reference
the 4th timeline is the Age of Calamity timeline
@@danielburgess5864 it's an Unraveled reference, it's called *THE TIMEBREAK*
@@jacobwright9351 That doesn't mean anything.
@@killernyancat8193 yeah it does, it means the *TIMEBREAK*
Link’s not five in The Minish Cap. Youngest he’s ever been in the series is 9. His age does fluctuate though with the oldest appearing 17 but actually being 117.
Just a joke mate
@@FrankyIrony True but you can never be too sure.
wasn't link 19 in one game
It kinda bugs me when people say oot link is like 6 or 8 when he is clearly between 11 and 13 since in mm he sounds like he is going through puberty.
@@That_Epseon99 Miyamoto himself said he was 9 in an interview for Ocarina of Time so do with that as you will.
I mean, it does make sense that they won’t guard the master sword that much… because they would kinda want it to be stolen, since if you’re ABLE to grab hold of and steal it, that means you’re literally destined to save the entire kingdom
Wow at 28:07 He literally said "Is this real, Is this canon" And a video told him "Yes this is Real and yes this is Canon" 😂😂
We’ve seen in teaser trailers for BotW 2 that the Ganon you fight in BotW seems to be just his malice incarnate while Ganondorf’s rotting corpse is under Hyrule somewhere being held down by a glowing green hand thing while Malice spills from his chest…you should watch the first big BotW 2 trailer cause it’s actually really good if you ask me.
A few notes:
Leaving the Master Sword unattended is fine because it's enchanted in such a way that evil can never touch it.
Four Sword and Four Sword Adventure were multiplayer games. Link separated into four parts, which could then be controlled by four different players.
The Deku Tree is sentient spirit, not just a tree.
Wolf Link. Normally, human cannot enter the Twilight; those that do become formless spirits. Because TP!Link had the Trifoce of Courage, though, he became a beast instead.
Link became trapped in the dream of the Windfish, which was being besieged by Nightmares (which may or may not have been yet another incarnation of Demise's hatred). He had to wake it to escape.
The trailer for BOTW shows the mummified corpse of Ganondorff's human form moving. Whether he's actually being revived or someone/something else is simply puppeting his body we don't know yet.
This dude can't pronounce Ganondorf's name correctly, despite clearly hearing it spelled out several times.
His accent makes it so he only hears his pronunciation, duhhhh
british people be like
"There are so many goddesses-" he repeats over and over. By this point four have been named. Four. Three created the world and entrusted the Triforce to the fourth, Hylia. From that point up to when he kept exclaiming about how many goddesses there are, the narrator is only talking about Hylia. Where are all these other goddesses he's on about?!
I dunno, there are for sure other types of deities.
We have the Three Creator Goddesses , one Patreon Goddess and a bunch of other Gods like the God of Wind and God of Storms in Wind Waker or the Dragons of Skyward Sword or the Light Spirits in Twilight Princess, or the Great Deku Tree and so on which are worshipped as powerful Spirits or as minor Gods at least.
And then we have the opposing Demon Tribe which is made of Monsters and Minor Demons trying to bring Darkness into the world.
These demons are usually under the comand of "Master-Demons" which are Demons on a very high power-level that they could actually challenge the Gods or even be titled as Dark Gods, like Demise for Example, even the Lynels, which are in BotW the most powerful Non-Boss-Enemy, these are referred in the Manual of the first Zelda game as Mountaib Deities.
If you look at Hyrule's Pantheon and count every type of minor or major type supernatural being, it's quiet impressive how many Deities this Pantheon has and that it isnt just made out of Big Gods but made out of Whole Tribes
@@Chris-gx1ei I'll be honest with you, you're replying to something I wrote eight months ago and I have no idea what any of this is about :)
There's not that many goddesses, there's only four - Din, Nayru, Farore, and Hylia.
Also, this video is the only time I've ever heard anyone pronounce Ganondorf the way you say it. You even said it that way seconds after the narrator in the video pronounced it differently.
There's also the fifth, unnamed goddess of time referenced in SS, OoT and MM.
Hylia made the Goddess Sword, but SS Link had to imbue it with the power of the goddess of time in her temple to turn it into the Master Sword.
The Temple of Time and Ocarina of Time both borrow the goddess's power to allow time travel; in OoT, the Master Sword lets Link travel 7 years into the past/future, and in MM, the Ocarina takes him back to the morning he first arrived in Clock Town.
@@OcarinaT1 Isn't Hylia also the goddess of time?
*Nayru.
@@savvythedivineyethuggable7493 No but the Goddess of Time might be an unnamed Terminian goddess.
@@calebgoodman3028 oh yeah, I didn't notice that spelling error, thank you
For Botw 2, the reason Ganon returns is because the being they killed was Calamity Ganon, the beast, and considered not to be the actual Ganon itself, you know, the one with intelligence.
Botw is popularly theorized to take place so far into the future that it’s impossible to distinguish which timeline is true or which legend is accurate anymore. Here, they’re all technically true. Which begs to reason that no matter which timeline, Botw will always be the end result.
1:24
Actually, the way I understand it, if you value one trait above all others, the Triforce responds to that. Say you have someone who prefers brains over brawn touch the Triforce, all they will be left with is the Triforce of Wisdom. Whereas you have someone who's brave as hell and tries to balance both brains and brawn touch it, they may gain the full Triforce.
You don't see it in these summaries but Zelda carries more often than not. A lot of Zelda game plots can be summed up as "Zelda is busy fighting on the front line waiting on Link to get his shit together to give her some backup."
One small correction: Zelda in OoT didn't return the Master Sword to the temple because it was sent back with Link, so the sword and spirit of the reincarnating hero no longer exists. They instead build a new master sword powered by 2 sages praying instead of being permanently embued with the goddess's power, and they desperately look for Link's reincarnates not knowing none exist, but they get lucky with a random kid being a fitting replacement who does a frontflip stabbing Ganondorf in the face, where he gets stoned
Vaati is not reincarnated but he was corrupted. Really sad in all honesty as he was just a child that was possessed by dark powers. The fact he even appeared in Four Swords implies he relapsed after the events of The Minish Cap.
Vaati wasn't possessed by anything. He was power-hungry and decided to use his powers for evil. I know he's redeemed in the manga, but that's not canon.
@@Aewon84 yeah. Vaati was jealous of the hylians I think.
The Zelda timeline is a perfect example of “the overarching plot doesn’t matter as long as the individual games are great”
Fi is not a goddess, just a weapon spirit. At most we only have four that were confirmed. It’s possible different realms and continents have their own gods as seen with the Lokomo tribe but that’s about it.
As I huge zelda fan, I love watching this reaction. Haha, if only he knew it was actually waaaaay more complicated than this when you get into the knitty gritty
Zelda Fans: "Ok, so what's the Zelda timeline again?"
Nintendo: (lights up crack pipe) "Well, you see..."
Ok, tbf about termina. Link goes to some woods, a couple of fairies steal his ocarina, he then jumps inside a tree and basically Alice in wonderland happens.
Personally my favorite interpretation is that Hyrule Warriors caused the Timelines to merge back together and then Botw takes place
This video didn't really explained Wind Waker very well. The Link of that game is not a reincarnation of the previous heroes like the Links in the two other timelines. The Hero of Wind is basically just a random kid who got so pissed off that Ganondorf kidnapped his sister that he forced the gods to make him the new hero so he could go kick his ass.
Ever heard of the unreliable narrator? Just because a character says something doesn't make it true.
@@Aewon84 Except it make complete sense with everything we know that Wind Waker Link would have no connection with the other heroes. If anything the only unreliable narrator in Wind Waker is Ganondorf who does confuse Link as someone connected to the past heroes.
Yes, Link, the Hero of Winds, whose just some random kid on an island who got pissed that Shrek’s cousin and some oversized chicken kidnapped his sister, so he forced the gods to make him the new hero so he could go and make mincemeat out of the last member of an extinct race of desert women.
I think it's implied that Oracle of Ages/Seasons happen shortly after A Link to the Past, and Link's Awakening happens as he's sailing home after those adventures. Not the other way around as presented here. But that's a relatively minor detail in the broad scheme of things.
That was retconned in one of the other books. Now I believe he's an entirely new Link who lives between ALttP and ALBW. It could have been to explain how the Triforce split again after ALttP.
aLttP-ooa/oos-LA: is the order most fans agree with. Nintendo changed it for some reason and so makes a little less sense. this video went with what is canon by nintendo, but imo it doesnt work
Back when Awakening first came out, before the Oracle games existed, Awakening was presented as a sequel to LttP, happening soon afterward, with the same Link. Obviously the timeline shifts as new games are added, but that was the original intention.
@@AllenMS828 I think people are saying they are all the same Link. LA's backstory is that after restoring the Triforce Link goes on adventures in other countries, but is lost at sea on his way home to Hyrule. In the Oracle games the restored Triforce sends Link on adventures in other countries and at the end Link leaves to return to Hyrule by sea.
Demises curse will last forever as long as zelda and link keep resurrecting. So unless hylia herself removes the resurrection ganondorf will always be there, regardless of death or sealing
34:18 “Zelda’s kinda hard carrying in this”
Ghost Zelda and Tetra:……
I remember watching a reaction to the BoTW sequel trailer once (I think it was DeeBeeGeek?) and he basically said he'd avoided watching the trailer because he hadn't beaten BoTW yet and didn't want to be spoiled. The first BoTW2 trailer doesn't really spoil anything from BoTW...UNLESS you've played other Zeldas before. That corpse's reveal is huge if you know who that is, but if you started with BoTW you'd have no idea. I can't think of any other series where you can get that effect...it's really something.
Oh also, as a Zelda and Elder Scrolls fan, our timeline woes could all be solved by two words: Dragon. Break.
You know what needs to be the follow up?
Unraveled - Solving the Zelda Timeline in 15 minutes
Mario Lore: Pretty much the same plot of Mario trying to save a Princess from Bowser.
Zelda Lore: Has Time traveling and sometimes have the games timeline mixed.
Kirby Lore: Characters are cute, music is a banger, and final boss lore is deep and dark.
Pokemon Lore: POKEDEX
calling Majora's Mask filler is something I never heard someone say but is so true at the same time lmfao
Badly Explaining the ENTIRE Fate Series in 30 MINUTES is a fun lore video I'd like to see a reaction to.
the newer the game the more it actually fits into the timeline since they actually already started a timeline, the older the game the less it makes any sense
2:12
what is showed in the game is the bare minimum of what we are told. every towns in the games have like 5 to 20 people living there, but in reality they are hundreds of people. same for most video games actually. skyrim, for exemple. you go to what is supposed to be the capital of the country, but there's only a few houses. in the lore they are thousands of people living in that city
Game theory actually made a video on the Zelda timeline a few years back, and i believe it still holds up, it also makes some things clearer and understandable
Eh. There’s better theorists out there now who’ve done the same thing.
Would absolutely recommend playing breath of the wild. It is an absolute gem, and now Would be the perfect time since the sequel is just around the corner!
The Zelda series is by far my favorite video game series. 12:06 never underestimate the power of the Lost Woods.
"wish to the curse to be broken" brother most links and zeldas don't know the curse even exists
You posted this shortly after I finished MM3D. And speaking of MM, I could've sworn I saw you in the comments of one of chuggaaconroy's videos of his LP of it. I later saw RabbidLuigi but that was more expected as I already knew he liked Chugga and Zelda.
"There are five people there"
Link doesn't count, he doesn't control a Divine Beast
From my limited understanding, the Master Sword is supposed to consume away the evil that is sealed within it.
Which might also be the reason why the Master Sword weakens over time, hence why it needs to be charged in some of the titles.
Ganon(dorf) having the triforce of power probably prolongs it just a tiny bit.
Nintendo NEVER could have imagined or planned that they would still make "The Legend of Zelda" entries to this day,
so the "complete timeline", characters and events obviously cant make sense in every way,
! BUT ! the "complete history" spans over thousands, ten thousands, maybe hundred thousands of years,
and like in our real world history, some informtion about specific happenings just got lost to time
or were passed down in a slightly exaggerated or wrong way, and this kinda is what makes the "complete timeline" so intriguing.
there is a great sense of mystery JUST BECAUSE you cant explain everything!
but of course, its so much fun and so interessting, trying to wrap your head around on what and how things happened in this universe.
24:29 link did not know there was a curse 🐵🐵🐵
i imagine having a baby with all ganondorfs memories would be terrifying
> Dr "Mrs Johnson Congratulation, hes a boy."
> Hands baby to mom
> Mrs Johnson "I want to name him after your late grandfather dear, he meant so much to you."
> Mr Johnson "Ahh, I love you so much, thank you.
> Baby "You Will Name Me Ganondorf"
*EVERYONE TURNS TO LOOK AT THE BABY IN SILENCE*
I’m using all my Zelda knowledge and I’m 99% sure that the creators of Zelda didn’t even think when they made the games.
Not surprising, when the first games were made I doubt they thought it would go this far or need a story, you couldn't really tell a good one with the limitations of the hardware at the time so they didn't put much effort into it. Now that it's pretty much required to have a big story they had to retroactively connect some plot points that just don't make sense. Personally I think they've done a decent job of fitting them together.
A Link Between Worlds was the First Zelda game that I played and is one of my favourites, beside Majorca’s Mask and Ocarina of Time
I have spent hours of my life memorising this timeline. Seeing this video again makes me gag from how much I've watched.
"there's a lot of goddesses running around." no, there are four in existence, and zero fully active ones. also, you kept saying that "why don't they just break the curse?" and the answer is very simple: they don't know they're cursed. the curse just makes them reincarnate with the same characteristics, not the same memories.
I would love to see this kind of reaction to the Metroid Timeline. Its not as convoluted but its still interesting.
11:55 I think it's worth mentioning that when HoT went back to the child timeline he took the triforce of courage with him. Or rather it stayed but for some reason broke into pieces like in windwaker (Adult timeline) but he still had it as a child because "bringing it with him" caused the triforce in the past to automatically scatter to their chosen bearers so it's not even in the sacred realm. This is What we see in Twilight Princess when they try to execute Ganondorf and he randomly gets the triforce of power (Child timeline)
Subnoodle just sits there...menacingly
Honestly I spend too much time learning the lore of video games just so I can laugh at people who get confused by it. From zelda to kingdom hearts
My guy assumes link and zelda even know about the curse in the first place.
Zelda didn't put him in the shrine of resurrection Purah did
There’s a running theory that the Zelda timeline can only end if Zelda dies, thus ending Demise’s curse. The only reason Ganondorf keeps returning is because of Demise’s hatred for Zelda/the Goddess’ Bloodline still persisting. If she’s killed however, then Ganondorf wouldn’t be fueled by his ancestor’s desires, and the perpetual cycle of misery that Hyrule faces should end. BoTW2 might explore that concept, as there’s apparently been interviews with Nintendo, stating they want to make BoTW2 pretty dark, almost like Majora’s Mask. What’s darker than the titular princess being killed with no future heir in her bloodline, (since BoTW Zelda’s life was put on pause for a century, after anyone she would’ve been proposed with marrying had died out by the Calamity)? No one who shares her blood destroys any incentive for Ganon/Ganondorf to come back to kill them.
This theory doesn't make any sense
So I don't know how popular this fan theory is, but there is a fan Theory that Hyrule Warriors is where the timelines merged to possibly create Breath of the Wild's Hyrule. However, since Hyrule Warriors was made by Koei Tecmo, Team Ninja, and Omega Force instead of Nintendo, it is not officially considered Canon to the Zelda timeline.
Majora’s mask as really good “filler” is so accurate 😂
~12:55~
Fun fact: Majora's Mask was created because a dev challenged another dev to make a zelda game in a year. If you play Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time, you'll notice there's a lot of model and prop recycling.
15:10 I don't have knowledge about the Zelda lore and timeline, however I've heard that Ganondorf names himself
Not entirely true... we don’t know who named him. Then again Ganondorf may be the only male Gerudo name since they are only born every hundred years. Going on a tangent here, the Gerudo rely on finding boyfriends with the Hylians in neighboring lands to reproduce... which I believe is just the series way of saying these warrior women rely on prostitution to survive. They even have a religion that forbids men (besides their king) from entering their lands unless they have permission.
Breath of the Wild's Zelda is highkey just as strong, if not stronger, than Link. Honestly, that's probably why Gannon takes her all the time instead of link.
Well she still has the blood of the goddess so that’s probably why.
Not untrue
"What dictates Wisdom?"
...the Goddesses, obviously.
"Oooohhhhh! THIS Zelda came from the original Zelda whose actually a Goddess!"
Yeah, it's called "Reincarnation." Each Zelda, Link, and Ganon are reincarnations of The Goddess who took on a mortal form, The first Hero, and The Demon King.
Gorons are indeed a force of nature
My dad was working at walmart and he met a guy named gannondorf the guy's dad was a zelda fan (when my dad said it i thought: crap
BotW has many traits that seem to indicate it could be any timeline or perhaps some sort of united timeline. This could be explained by one of two theories: 1)All the Legend of Zelda games are exactly that, Legends. Stories told across generations that historians are trying to piece together, but can't settle on one historically accurate explanation, unsure of what is true or myth. This could also explain why the same characters like Tingle and Beedle keep appearing in various games separated by hundreds or even thousands of years. And 2)the non-canon spinoff game Hyrule Warriors, which pulls events and characters from all three timelines, pulled all of them into one unified timeline, thus ending the split. Game Theory has two episodes examining the Zelda timeline. Whatever it is, it's all so Nintendo don't use the timeline anymore.
Personal theory? Some combination of the two.
Also Link has never been and adult, the oldest he's technically ever gotten is 17 or 117 if you count botw's 100 years.
Also most Zelda games start with Link sleeping.
Sir, first KH, then Kirby, and now this..... You now have an enthusiastic sub lol
I know it's probably been said to you, but there's only 4 Goddesses in Total. The 3 Golden Goddesses: Din of Power, Nayru of Wisdom, and Farore of Courage. And then Hylia, who is the Goddess of Time (usually.) Hylia creates the Goddess Sword, and then chooses to be reborn as a Hylian (Human) to be able to use the Triforces power.
(Edit) The king's name is Daphnes. Not Daftness. But, y'know, captions...
All these pronunciations of my childhood villain names will give me a hernia I swear
Oh hey, I edited this video for The Leaderboard! I hope you enjoyed it!
The video skipped something important about the Adult Timeline. Link's spirit no longer existed in that timeline. The new Link in Wind Waker is someone completely disconnected from the curse and the past, and the game itself is about this new person forging their own path as a brand new hero.
Untrue as the hero merely needs to have the spirit. Not a blood relative.
@@calebgoodman3028 Are you replying to the right person? I mentioned the spirit being missing from the timeline. This video is the one going on about blood relatives. The TH-camr was getting that mixed up.
@@ytmikelol I was under the impression you meant that Link from The Wind Waker would be unbound by the cycle since he wasn’t related however as long as he still has a heroic spirit, even if it’s his own, it would still count. You’re right that he isn’t related but the curse would still be tied by association.
@@calebgoodman3028 Oh, I see. It's not about relations. The curse is about the "spirit of the hero" and the "blood of the goddess." Only the Zelda line is connected through lineage. There is little to do with blood relations for Link. The Links are not all descended from each other like the Zeldas are. It's more like a reincarnation for the hero's spirit, I believe. That spirit is what no longer exists in that timeline, and therefore cannot reincarnate. Wind Waker Link is about someone new.
There were some mistakes in the timeline video like how they say the Master Sword was unmoved from the Era of the Sky to the Era of the Hero of Time. The Forgotten Temple/ Sealed Temple is different from the Temple of Time, so the Master Sword must have been moved.
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To be fair, only Ganondorf (btw, you say his name wrong. Gan-nun-dorf. Hard name.) remembers his past lives, since Demise is a part of him. It would never cross Link and Zelda's minds to wish away a curse they know nothing about. Every time they reincarnate, they are basically going in blind.
Link turns into a pink bunny when he enters the Sacred Realm because entering the Realm causes people to assume a form that reflects what's in their hearts. Since most people who enter the Realm are either greedy or power hungry seeking the triforce for selfish gains they end up as monsters.
The Triforce might be able to break the curse if someone wished for it but that would require the wielder to actually know the curse is in place.
Sealing actually works pretty well, when your enemies constantly reincarnate sealing them away is more effective than just killing them. That's why they only had to deal with Ganon a few times per timeline rathe than every few decades.
32:30 i havent thought of that yet. that botw 2 villain isnt just again ganondorf, because botw 1 was just ganon, so it makes sence that botw 2 has ganondorf as villain
Love how Patterz can think of the knowledge of the curse being lost through thousands and thousands of years
The timeline is actually very easy to understand if you play the games
You should definitely stream some Zelda games, it’s a fun time without back seating that is
11:17 wait.....Pat kinda speaking some facts right here.
There’s a few game theory episode that talk about the Zelda timeline and there’s one you should watch where they talks about how a non cannon game should be cannon to the timeline cause it links all the timelines together before Breath of the wild happens in the timeline
It’s called “Game Theory Dear Nintendo i fixed your timeline”
So my theory as to where BotW falls on the timeline is that it's in a 4th timeline created from the Ocarina of Time ending where you defeat Ganondorf, but in this 4th timeline Zelda doesn't send Link back into the past instead he ends up staying and living his life in the adult timeline as the Hero of Time.
This could potentially explain why all the references to the downfall and adult timeline are, but also why the kingdom hasn't outright fallen apart.
Everyone: GAN-on-dorf
Patterrz: Ga-NON-dorf
"I've only played one Zelda game in my life." Ah, you poor soul.
can't wait to seal an evil demon king in a sword again
To be fair sealing them has the better chance of working than just offing them.
Patterrz you need to review more games timelines of the leaderboards channel this was hilariously awesome 🤣
Are you joking?!?!
"Guh-Non-Dorf"
3:45 No, that's how they _explain_ having made all these games with the same central cast, although it's never explained how there are _other_ characters that seemingly reincarnate over and over again, like Impa and Dampé. Skyward Sword may be the first in the timeline, but it's nowhere near the first game they made in the series.
It's pretty much accepted at this point that Breath of the Wild is so far in the future all the timelines have converged back into one...a "Dragon Break" situation, the term taken from the lore of Elder Scrolls where a similar divergent timeline situation happened and the "Dragon Break" brought them back together with elements of the split timelines in the new one. Also a fun fact that many fans likely know but those not heavy in to LoZ might not. Robin Williams was such a big fan of the series he named his daughter Zelda...yes that is her real name and she was named after Zelda from Legend of Zelda...who HERSELF was named after Zelda Fitzgerald the famous author.
20:20, no, _Hyrule_ was washed away. When Hyrule was flooded in the backstory, there was a little bubble of the land that was preserved, intact and unflooded, which is where the final battle with Ganondorf took place.
It's actually been confirmed that breath of the wild is the last in the time-line so far and connects all three routes.
While yes it's confirmed that BOTW is at the end, it's not confirmed that it links everything.