I've just bought a second hand Wilier Cento10. Basically the same bike Francis had. Honestly I am loving it! It feels so bluming nice! My first 'expensive' bike. The quality feels so good. Lightweight doesn't bother me, I weigh 85kg. I just want something that looks 👌, and a red Wilier for me is on par with a Celeste bianchi.
I would have one thanks. It is a “want” thanks Jimmy. It would be closest thing I have an an Italian racing whatever in my garage. It could replace the Centro 10 Air I have.
TDF coming up.... climbing bike..... yeah, green's the one, that's perfect. ...though i'd hardly expect them to release a polka dot bike. Maybe Wilier measure outer to outer like Deda? as opposed to centre to centre. HAH, 5:38 ! they got their punctuation wrong too, so maybe it is very very precisely 1 euro? Love that you guys are comfortable to speak freely about these bikes, great little review. I'd sit that as a proper good too! and it is nice to have a fresh colour for a new bike too.
Or, look at Profile Design's DRV/GMR Gravel bar. Available from 36cm C-to-C, it doesn't flare at the hoods, just the drops so it's excellent as a 'road' bar too (the flare is great for sprinting). It has a modest rise of 9mm (and flat top), so if you're not slammed you can loose a 10mm spacer but get the same fit!
for climbing ill keep my s works sl3 with 50mm deep roval tubs ready to ride with pedals that is and garmin at 6.1 kilo....13.6 lbs...campy super record mech.... and could be made lighter for sure but horrible for maintaing speed on the flats
€9000-13000? LOL. LMAO. Ha ha. The Estana team may be riding the bike, but don’t forget that consumers are covering the expense of swag to teams in the MSRP. But seriously, folks. A person living in the UK would be spending 12% of their net annual income on this bike… assuming that they made £132570 a year. (£12570 personal income exemption, and taxed on £120000 at the net rate of 20%). And we all know most people are making far less than that (mean salary of a full time worker in the UK is £42000). So either this review is for the top 2% or earners or the review should include details on the bike’s packing box… because that’s where many might end up living if they had to buy this bike with after tax income.
I'm liking how you are doing these reviews. It feels transparent and honest. Using house wheels is so important. Would love to see more mid/budget in the future. A mid level bike you can upgrade is the sweet spot for almost everyone
I'll be honest the price kind of surprised me. It just doesn't look like a £9000 bike. If you said £7000, I would have probably nodded, but I was honestly shocked at the price, because it doesn't have that extra panache needed for a hyperbike.
The difference that wheels make to a ride is so huge that your decision to use a set of shop wheels to standardize test rides is sort of genius.. (not sure if that might be a tad hyperbolic...)
House wheels add an interesting perspective, but I'm not sure how much practical use they are at least for high end bikes, since almost no one will be riding those bikes with such wheels in practice. It isn't as if the wheels aren't part of the bike and included in the price.
@@squngy0if they were in-house proprietary wheels only used on the Willier, I think you'd be right. They're comparing the frameset more than anything, so changing the wheels makes perfect sense in my opinion.
I have to agree with Jimmi. I expect more for 10000+ $ at this point. There is just nothing special about the bike. And NO cool green paint job is not worth that much money.
Yeah. It looks extremely underwhelming even compared to any brand new bike in 2024, let alone anything in that price range. I'd much prefer that Van Rysel, much cooler bike for much less money
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Very lightweight climbing specialist competitors would be: • Bianchi Specialissima • Orbea Orca • Factor O2 VAM I quite like the look of the Specialissima, but some people really hate it. Orca is nice and has a lot of lower tier build options, and a cheaper layup frame to bring the cost down further. O2 VAM price is madness, and somehow they managed to make the massive headtube look really ugly as well in the larger sizes. Maybe Canyon Ultimate could be added to the list? but I don't know if it's as light as these newer models. You could also try Yonex from Japan as well, not sure how you would buy and import one though, and they recommend a maximum rider weight of 70kg, but I've heard it said their carbon quality is second only to TIME.
agreed on bars not being flat / parallel to the ground in the drops. definitely a pet peeve of mine too. i don't mind flared bars, but not overly flared. i find ENVE's design cue on that to be a happy medium all around with their 35/40 and 37/42 widths.
@@out_spocken Well, that rules out everyone I know. I suppose I could afford to get one if I wanted but I would then have to question my own sanity. As much as I love to ride, I could get something with a motor in the frame rails for LOT less money.
@@whynotride327 Hear ya. I could travel to europe from Australia and spend half a year riding the alpes for that sort of money. But you asked who buys this stuff...people that can afford it. I can't justify $30 tpu tubes, or $100 tyres...not to say they aren't worth it for people that have a higher income than me. I don't even buy coffee's on group rides because I can't afford them and it's not impoirtant to my cycling....but for others it doesn't even register as a spend.
Given the price I’ve just paid for a super light aero bike from AliExpress, I don’t know if I’ll ever pay for a name brand bike again. These things are way too expensive, and for what?
A sub-7kg bike can probably be made with Aliexpress parts for less than 3000. My frame has 60k on it, a lot of big 2000m descends and bikepacking, has been dropped and crashed numerous times, cost me 250€ and only now shows some bubbling on the top tube. I somehow have headaches when I see such expensives bikes. Same thing with running shoes, most cost a fraction of the price the customer pays, just because of the branding...
Great video, this is how cycling media should be. Climbing focussed bikes with a bit of aero might be an upcoming thing: Orbea Orca. Also for the looks, not everybody likes the massive aero bikes.
I'm with you, I am not a fan of the flared bars, but I did like that paint color. Can't justify that price for that bike though, if I was going to spend that kind of cash, I going with a Moots.
You could really Hulk Smash those hills with that mean green cycling machine 😊 Although the price mark will make me angry,. And you don’t wanna make me angry!😡 😅 I would rather have a Pinarello
I'm interested in this company, as you can seem to get a varient of their previous Gravel bike Jena from Velo-build, the GF-003. Curious on their new frames and how they stacked up. Nice video!
It looks beautiful and by all means I love Wilier Bikes. But I don't see why anyone would not go for the cheaper O SLR. My fully built 0slr weights 7.1kg with pedals,50mm carbon rims and all mounts, so I don't really think there is a world of a difference .
"You probably need to spend an other 800 € for these handlebars" - Greedflation hits → 1000 € 😄 💁♂For someone who's willing to spend this amount of cash on a bike it won't change the world anyway.
I'm afraid my cool wall is way narrower and limited by prices. 😉(and it is reserved for gravel bikes in reality, but don't tell anyone 😉). Anyway, the bike looks great, and while I would like something more endurance/allroad-oriented for myself, I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to ride such a bike. I'm getting old I guess... So what bikes are ridden now?
Unless I'm mistaken, not so long ago weren't Jimmy and Francis criticising other media outlets for being out of touch by featuring ridiculously overpriced bikes? And now in the past week we've had this and the new Dogma.
I think you are being very honest in your assessments, which is a good thing IMHO, but some brands may be wary about having such things said about their shiny (“snot”, “Hulk” green) new products. There were several times in this vid where I might, if I was a bike brand marketing manager, wince.
These rotors are way too small for normal people. weight weenie-ing over a bike's rotors that's meant to be ridden down long alpine descents is really silly, going 160 on the back and 180 front wouldn't add a lot and would help stave off pad glazing to no end
Great video, guys. To answer your question,I think this bike does fit within the Aethos market - I.e., a bike for those who’ve been riding a while, holding on to their rim brake rides, and waiting for a disc brake bike that maintained the lightweight ethos of yesteryear, but with all the modern developments in bike and component design. That said, to really compete with the Aethos market, I think Willier would have done better were it to aim for the (upper) mid-range price wise.
How is bottom bracket stiffness for this bike? I've seen some criticism of Aethos for being flexy, and that's a potential drawback of ultralight frames.
Yep, reminds me of the recent orbea climbing bike in the same way. Interesting trend in the market, would be nicer to have those designs at a lower price point as well 😂 will be cool to see if any pros use it and how well it sells
Nice but not perfect and hilariously expensive but that's normal. The seatpost design and integrated light is nonsense, that would be enough for me to look elsewhere. I don't like the colour either.
I love the idealology of bikes like this... but find it hard to get excited about them as I'd never be able to afford one... in fact... who does buy bikes like this... anyone?
Cool wall... All we need next is a different pro to turn up weekly and set a best time round the local motor racing circuit. Then introduce an anonymous ex-pro always wearing the lastest Giro tt helmet to set times for the bikes on test...😅
The fact that Francis and Jimmi disagree on the intangible aspect of this bike, proves that those opinions don't belong in reviews. Impressions are so personal and mostly irrational and biases unrelated to the actual ride quality can play a huge part in those Impressions
Loving your approach to these reviews . You guys are nearly as cool as the mint green paint job on that Wilier. I would be interested to hear what you make of the Basso diamante. Keep up the excellent work and looking forward to the next episode
A 6,8 kg discbrakebike that rides really good. Sounds like the perfect bike to me.... If it was quite a bit less expensive.
And without the disc brakes 😂
Well, if it was aero that would be the dream
@@okantichrist literally the opposite of what the original comment said
Crazy over priced. Looks cool tho. Stick with the polaroid's for the board.
In a sea or black, white, red and blue bikes, I appreciate green. Well done, Wilier
There's also the white, red and blue Groupama-FDJ variant, though :D
@@derfx89 I swear those are BMW colours
I've just bought a second hand Wilier Cento10. Basically the same bike Francis had.
Honestly I am loving it! It feels so bluming nice! My first 'expensive' bike. The quality feels so good. Lightweight doesn't bother me, I weigh 85kg. I just want something that looks 👌, and a red Wilier for me is on par with a Celeste bianchi.
AstanaQazTeam have clearly chosen this 'long' bike to assit Cav over the finish line with the extra length.😛
I would have one thanks. It is a “want” thanks Jimmy. It would be closest thing I have an an Italian racing whatever in my garage. It could replace the Centro 10 Air I have.
Thanks Francis and Jimmi , looks nice from here too ... and all of my walls are cool !
TDF coming up.... climbing bike..... yeah, green's the one, that's perfect.
...though i'd hardly expect them to release a polka dot bike.
Maybe Wilier measure outer to outer like Deda? as opposed to centre to centre.
HAH, 5:38 ! they got their punctuation wrong too, so maybe it is very very precisely 1 euro?
Love that you guys are comfortable to speak freely about these bikes, great little review. I'd sit that as a proper good too!
and it is nice to have a fresh colour for a new bike too.
I flaired my 38cm alloy bars because my knees hit the drops on steep climbs, that may be the reason for those…
Or, look at Profile Design's DRV/GMR Gravel bar. Available from 36cm C-to-C, it doesn't flare at the hoods, just the drops so it's excellent as a 'road' bar too (the flare is great for sprinting). It has a modest rise of 9mm (and flat top), so if you're not slammed you can loose a 10mm spacer but get the same fit!
Love the look and the color, but not the price tag haha! But anyway not a bike for me going slow - but it is nice to look at.
Yeah proper good sounds about right.
Stick with the Polaroids for the wall!
had exactly the same problems with my Jena paint job, olive green one
Have a look at a sarto venito sl disc, cheaper and it's a custom hand built frameset. 👍
Love the channel. Two cents: Too many cool wall categories. I think I heard 6 total. Just my opinion though, keep up the great content.
for climbing ill keep my s works sl3 with 50mm deep roval tubs ready to ride with pedals that is and garmin at 6.1 kilo....13.6 lbs...campy super record mech.... and could be made lighter for sure but horrible for maintaing speed on the flats
5:01 Wilier FINALLY make a real NARROW Handlebar!!!
😂😂😂13,400 Euros! For that color! NO EFFIN WAY!!! 😂😂😂
Lets go to work for 3 months to be barely able to afford that.
Stick to the Polaroids, it fits the vibe. Fujifilm has a digital Polaroid camera that can print photos from other sources.
I would still get the Scott Addict RC pro with Dura Ace and save a few grand
Direkt competitor to the factor o2 vam, canyon ultimate, scott addict
which DT Swiss Wheelset are you using here?
Wilier make a super light bike for climbing and then have to add 0.5kg of paint to make it UCI compliant 😊
Heavy Price !!!
Min.1:38...brilliant 😂😂
ypu should make a video where you rank viewer's bikes.
What are the house wheels and tires? I'm looking to upgrade my topstone to a better set without spending crazy money
I have the same question, please spec up the house wheels?
Ha! My first thought was it looks cheap, wrong! Who the hell buys them?
Maybe it’s just me, but when bicycle prices get up in motorcycle territory I’d be buying a motorcycle or a nice used car instead of the bike.
It doesn't feel fast. Sir Cavendish would disagree. Hopefully.
Will Jimmi love a test bike again after riding the Pinarello?
Who buys these bikes? 🤯 An industry complaining about slow sales yet prices keep going up and the second hand market is a bust!
Not a fan of the colour or the matchy-matchy cockpit. Bike itself appeals.
Start of review............ "I really like this bike" ...............Rest of review ................"i don't like this bike"..................😁
€9000-13000? LOL. LMAO. Ha ha.
The Estana team may be riding the bike, but don’t forget that consumers are covering the expense of swag to teams in the MSRP.
But seriously, folks. A person living in the UK would be spending 12% of their net annual income on this bike… assuming that they made £132570 a year. (£12570 personal income exemption, and taxed on £120000 at the net rate of 20%). And we all know most people are making far less than that (mean salary of a full time worker in the UK is £42000).
So either this review is for the top 2% or earners or the review should include details on the bike’s packing box… because that’s where many might end up living if they had to buy this bike with after tax income.
10000 € bike can be "flawless"
I'm liking how you are doing these reviews. It feels transparent and honest. Using house wheels is so important. Would love to see more mid/budget in the future. A mid level bike you can upgrade is the sweet spot for almost everyone
Its not honest thats the problem with getting payed to make reviews....
I'll be honest the price kind of surprised me. It just doesn't look like a £9000 bike. If you said £7000, I would have probably nodded, but I was honestly shocked at the price, because it doesn't have that extra panache needed for a hyperbike.
I think it is the green color on the frame. If you check the gloss red one on their website it looks super expensive
The difference that wheels make to a ride is so huge that your decision to use a set of shop wheels to standardize test rides is sort of genius.. (not sure if that might be a tad hyperbolic...)
House wheels add an interesting perspective, but I'm not sure how much practical use they are at least for high end bikes, since almost no one will be riding those bikes with such wheels in practice.
It isn't as if the wheels aren't part of the bike and included in the price.
@@squngy0if they were in-house proprietary wheels only used on the Willier, I think you'd be right. They're comparing the frameset more than anything, so changing the wheels makes perfect sense in my opinion.
I have to agree with Jimmi. I expect more for 10000+ $ at this point. There is just nothing special about the bike. And NO cool green paint job is not worth that much money.
Yeah. It looks extremely underwhelming even compared to any brand new bike in 2024, let alone anything in that price range. I'd much prefer that Van Rysel, much cooler bike for much less money
You guys really upped your game lately in your videos. Hats off. Love how you categorize the bikes (remortgage your house is spot on).
There are a lot of people who wouldn’t need to remortgage their house.
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Surely the new TCR is a competitor?
Very lightweight climbing specialist competitors would be:
• Bianchi Specialissima
• Orbea Orca
• Factor O2 VAM
I quite like the look of the Specialissima, but some people really hate it. Orca is nice and has a lot of lower tier build options, and a cheaper layup frame to bring the cost down further. O2 VAM price is madness, and somehow they managed to make the massive headtube look really ugly as well in the larger sizes.
Maybe Canyon Ultimate could be added to the list? but I don't know if it's as light as these newer models. You could also try Yonex from Japan as well, not sure how you would buy and import one though, and they recommend a maximum rider weight of 70kg, but I've heard it said their carbon quality is second only to TIME.
agreed on bars not being flat / parallel to the ground in the drops. definitely a pet peeve of mine too. i don't mind flared bars, but not overly flared. i find ENVE's design cue on that to be a happy medium all around with their 35/40 and 37/42 widths.
please don't weigh bikes w/o pedals - you can't ride a bike without them. it simply doesn't make sense.
This is giving me old top gear vibe. I love their cool wall. You need a mini freezer for the super cooooooool. I love it.
BTW, what's the DT Swiss "standard" that you're using for comparison purposes? PR1400?
That price is beyond stupid. WTH buys stuff like this??
People with beyond stupid wages! Which seemingly, there are a lot of in a world full with cost of living crisis's.
@@out_spocken Well, that rules out everyone I know. I suppose I could afford to get one if I wanted but I would then have to question my own sanity. As much as I love to ride, I could get something with a motor in the frame rails for LOT less money.
@@whynotride327 Hear ya. I could travel to europe from Australia and spend half a year riding the alpes for that sort of money.
But you asked who buys this stuff...people that can afford it. I can't justify $30 tpu tubes, or $100 tyres...not to say they aren't worth it for people that have a higher income than me. I don't even buy coffee's on group rides because I can't afford them and it's not impoirtant to my cycling....but for others it doesn't even register as a spend.
I have a candy apple green Cove stiffee retro MTB. Everyone remarks on the colour, how nice it is and how it "pops" with its black accessories
£9k 🤪🤪. I’ll buy a car instead
Many years ago.....lol, whatever's happened to Daisy??
Given the price I’ve just paid for a super light aero bike from AliExpress, I don’t know if I’ll ever pay for a name brand bike again. These things are way too expensive, and for what?
What did you buy?
@@gmivisualsjason3729 I’m more talking about bikes generally. Sava has some good value bikes. The one I purchased was from BXT.
Personally I’d take the aethos with a traditional 27.2mm seat post and no faff bar and stem
2:18 That's where you lost me!
What did you imagine a top-line bike decked with top-line components would cost?
@@br5380 Ha'penny and a conker!
13400 euro 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
'coz it'll be lighter' GOLD! #respect! lol
A sub-7kg bike can probably be made with Aliexpress parts for less than 3000. My frame has 60k on it, a lot of big 2000m descends and bikepacking, has been dropped and crashed numerous times, cost me 250€ and only now shows some bubbling on the top tube. I somehow have headaches when I see such expensives bikes. Same thing with running shoes, most cost a fraction of the price the customer pays, just because of the branding...
Great video, this is how cycling media should be. Climbing focussed bikes with a bit of aero might be an upcoming thing: Orbea Orca. Also for the looks, not everybody likes the massive aero bikes.
I'm with you, I am not a fan of the flared bars, but I did like that paint color. Can't justify that price for that bike though, if I was going to spend that kind of cash, I going with a Moots.
Extra points for not dropping the seat stays
You could really Hulk Smash those hills with that mean green cycling machine 😊
Although the price mark will make me angry,. And you don’t wanna make me angry!😡 😅
I would rather have a Pinarello
I'm interested in this company, as you can seem to get a varient of their previous Gravel bike Jena from Velo-build, the GF-003. Curious on their new frames and how they stacked up. Nice video!
its meh
It looks beautiful and by all means I love Wilier Bikes. But I don't see why anyone would not go for the cheaper O SLR. My fully built 0slr weights 7.1kg with pedals,50mm carbon rims and all mounts, so I don't really think there is a world of a difference .
"You probably need to spend an other 800 € for these handlebars" - Greedflation hits → 1000 € 😄
💁♂For someone who's willing to spend this amount of cash on a bike it won't change the world anyway.
I'm afraid my cool wall is way narrower and limited by prices. 😉(and it is reserved for gravel bikes in reality, but don't tell anyone 😉). Anyway, the bike looks great, and while I would like something more endurance/allroad-oriented for myself, I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to ride such a bike. I'm getting old I guess... So what bikes are ridden now?
Unless I'm mistaken, not so long ago weren't Jimmy and Francis criticising other media outlets for being out of touch by featuring ridiculously overpriced bikes? And now in the past week we've had this and the new Dogma.
I think you are being very honest in your assessments, which is a good thing IMHO, but some brands may be wary about having such things said about their shiny (“snot”, “Hulk” green) new products. There were several times in this vid where I might, if I was a bike brand marketing manager, wince.
I would like to see what you think about Tarmac SL8 vs Wilier Verticale SLR. Do same kind of video but wit SL8. Thanks
Nice but not 12k nice, maybe you should have Jimmi's Cool Wall and Francis Cool Wall to save arguments.
Seems this would be a competitor to the Orbea Orca, which I would choose over this.
At that price I'll stick with my trusty ol' Willier GTR, which allows for easy handlebar adjustments : D .
Dream bike for alpine climbs and descents? (light + discs) Would probably buy something more aero and half a kg heavier anyway if i had the cash.
Keep the polaroids, could you look at comparing to the orbea orca climbing bike?
Which wheels you have used? Are they DT Swiss PRC 1100 Mont Chasseral?
Does look like a lovely bike and colour gorgeous but the price it just doesn't look a 9 grand bike bottom build, more like £6000 good review though.
These rotors are way too small for normal people. weight weenie-ing over a bike's rotors that's meant to be ridden down long alpine descents is really silly, going 160 on the back and 180 front wouldn't add a lot and would help stave off pad glazing to no end
Great video, guys. To answer your question,I think this bike does fit within the Aethos market - I.e., a bike for those who’ve been riding a while, holding on to their rim brake rides, and waiting for a disc brake bike that maintained the lightweight ethos of yesteryear, but with all the modern developments in bike and component design. That said, to really compete with the Aethos market, I think Willier would have done better were it to aim for the (upper) mid-range price wise.
How is bottom bracket stiffness for this bike? I've seen some criticism of Aethos for being flexy, and that's a potential drawback of ultralight frames.
Yep, reminds me of the recent orbea climbing bike in the same way. Interesting trend in the market, would be nicer to have those designs at a lower price point as well 😂 will be cool to see if any pros use it and how well it sells
the polaroid pic was actually a nice touch. I vote for to continue to use them for the cool wall!
Nice but not perfect and hilariously expensive but that's normal. The seatpost design and integrated light is nonsense, that would be enough for me to look elsewhere. I don't like the colour either.
I love the idealology of bikes like this... but find it hard to get excited about them as I'd never be able to afford one... in fact... who does buy bikes like this... anyone?
All the decals on the bike make it look like something from 2012. Can't even tell it's new. Try again Wilier.
I would put it in the useless category. For this amount of money there is no way you give away, even for testing, a product like this. No way Wilier!
Cool wall... All we need next is a different pro to turn up weekly and set a best time round the local motor racing circuit. Then introduce an anonymous ex-pro always wearing the lastest Giro tt helmet to set times for the bikes on test...😅
Don’t have comparable - but here’s a request. Would be cool to hear your guys views on the Pina Dogma X!
The fact that Francis and Jimmi disagree on the intangible aspect of this bike, proves that those opinions don't belong in reviews. Impressions are so personal and mostly irrational and biases unrelated to the actual ride quality can play a huge part in those Impressions
Loving your approach to these reviews . You guys are nearly as cool as the mint green paint job on that Wilier. I would be interested to hear what you make of the Basso diamante. Keep up the excellent work and looking forward to the next episode
Hey Wilier, you what you can do with bike don't you? I can't say it on TH-cam but it involves some potty mouth.
10:18 Get Wilier to send their frames to Martin Grey at ETOE for a proper paint job.
Cool wall. Just no. An idea that was flesh crawlingly awful when Top Gear did it nearly two hundred years ago.
A bit TopGear(ish) in format - Think the presenters are great and have a strong symbiosis that works well .
Listening and reading the reviews it seems like the Aethos is indeed the main competitor. But I wouldn’t trade my Aethos for anything
Love the content but would like to know has Jimmy always been an angry little fellow? Keep up the great work team.
I call BS on that explanation for the paint, massively overpriced regardless of how well it rides.
Who spends that much for a Wilier?...A WILIER!?
So you just need a half decent bike but get yourself some top quality wheels for it...
Ouchy price. I can get an aprillia rs 250 for that, with cash spare for the restoration.
nope, my CAAD10 size 54 with power meter is 6,8kg
Please do polaroids of all the bikes for they cool wall thats so fucking dumb I love it
changing the wheels out only seems relevant if you are doing a like for like comparison