I’m hoping you both continue to showcase decent bikes that are $1000 or less for those of us who enjoy the hobby, but don’t have the cash to sink thousands into a new bike.
Buy a frame and build it up.. create time.. some bike we buy for the logo and branding..... u realise most gey their the frames from same manufacturers on China and other Asian countries. Same design.. shop around for a good frame then get good components and u hv what not everyone is riding. 🎉
We need to talk more about getting people on used bikes. Most normal™ people will get a lot more value by buying second hand or having someone fix up or upgrade their existing bike. Folks like Craig from Save old bikes or Monkeyshred and Toasty Rides really are doing God’s work. ❤
Watching smiling with the mention of Moss. Andy Jones, a great bike builder, and also a brilliant and inspirational DT teacher who took frame building into schools. Legend
I live in the French alps. In a town called Briançon, at the foot of a few famous climbs like the Galibier, the Izoard and the Granon. We have 2 very popular hill climbs events each summer. The 'Defi du Granon" and the "Defi du Galibier". These races are extremely different that the UK hill climbs, they are mass start and require a long sustained effort. The fastest guys usually finishing just under 40 minutes for either race. It's extremely competitive and a LOT of fun!
On the second day of a massive supported ride from Seattle to Portland, I noticed the front QR lever was open on a fellow rider. We happened to be just starting a descent. It would have been irresponsible not to tell him. On that same ride over the years I have helped change several tires typically asking if they need a hand seems to work fine.
I'd rather ride a top end road frame from over a decade ago than anything currently pushed by the bike industry, even if its bought second hand. I have friends who have acquired nice Colnago's etc, worth 4-5k framest for under 1k, then you can build up a sweet riding competitive weighing bike for little outlay. Of course these bikes have rim brakes but then you really don't need discs on a road bike, what was fine for a hundred years is still fine to ride now at any level. This is a big problem for the bike industry at the moment as riders like me have stopped buying their bikes, whereas in the past I'd always be jumping on the latest things.
The biggest issue I had with the Hover bar was it kept your hands really far away from the bar controls (brakes and shifters) so at the point when you want the most vibration damping (going fast) you couldn't cover the brakes! EEK!!! 😬
As one of those Commuter cyclists who don't own a bike that cost me over 150£, i like the fact that you recognise the pricing perception problem in the sport. Recently i was looking into getting a serious bike to train. My dad, who is a cyclist since ever, couldn't understand why i want an alloy bike for 1.5k (very expensive for a bike) and not spend more (2.5k) for the carbon version of the same bike. So for 1k more, i would shed 1.5 kilo from the bike and not much more. I reckon i would lost the same weight from all the money i'd spend on the bike.
Such a good episode. As a bloke who has spent 50 yrs riding, racing, wrenching, etc., I managed to guilt myself over not having spent enough $$ when I made the change this year from steel/cables/rim brakes, etc. to carbon/electric/disc. With pedals and cages, I spent nearly $7K. Yup, I actually thought to myself how dare I spend so LITTLE on something so important. Absolutely INSANE. I came to my senses relatively quickly. The new bike is fab. I still ride the old one, but yup, the industry can guilt even the most experienced of us with this insanity. Keep up the good work, all. Cheers!
The ‘23 emonda alr with 105 can be found new for less than 1800, even closer to 1600 in some places. With some new wheels you’ll get close to 8kg for 2500.
I for one, would love to see the 7.5 kg bike on the cheap, although TraceVelo has done it for pretty reasonable amounts, and so has GCN. I am struggling to see how to get my two decent, relatively new, ally bikes below 9.5 at the moment - lighter parts won't add up to 2 kg, beyond what I have already done (carbon post, carbon seat, carbon 38mm deep rims on Novatecs, road pedals). Bar, cranks, shifters, with titanium bolts, carbon post clamp, carbon steerer cap, and carbon cages won't do it. So good luck!
A $3k cf bike will have crap wheels/tire, handlebar, saddle, and 105 groupset. It's really crazy how expensive bikes have become, and how much less you receive in return.
17:51 I had 10 speed Tiagra 2600 for ages. Loved it. Bit ugly on the shifters. I know ride Ltwoo 10 speed becuase I liked the looks. Loving that too! I dont race and just enjoy being out.
Looking for recommendations for switching my daily commute tyres for winter. I ride is a Diverge E5 with 38 mil stock tyres. However, I've noticed that the stopping power is considerably reduced when I'm riding in the rain on them. I'm 6'1" and 94kgs(yes, I'm fat...lol!) hence looking to change them out for the winter to ensure that it's safer for me to ride daily. My daily commute is about 20km each way, mainly on roads but I do like to take the gravel path at times and on weekends. I have looked at the 700x43C Panaracer Gravel King SK but would like to go for a 45 or a 47mm(max tyre clearance of the bike) if possible. I'm looking for suggestions as this will be my first winter ride in the UK. Cheers! love the content you guys make and it's helped me become much better in my rides!
I decided to build a gravel bike versus buying a full built bike and having to remove and replace parts I did not want eed. I wanted a mullet setup, so I decided to buy the frame through my local shop and then ended up purchasing about 75% of the parts needed from the local shop, as the pricing was the same or close to it. Since I did that, they offered to put it together for me and not charge me for doing that. I ended up saving almost $2k overall and even got new wheels and got a fantastic build. Was still pricey but worth it. Living in Florida, I am tell you, there are no hill climb competitions :)
Got two single speed track bikes both under 500$ aero frame characteristics and as long as you're not dealing with extreme climbs, they're speed monsters, out run Tarmacs aeroroads all the time, can easily throw on deep dishes wheels. An excellent budget option on flatter terrains for those who want 14k worth of speed or cross training, or interested in owning a well rounded stable without braking the bank
Midwest USA chiming in, never seen a hill climb event in my life. Been racing on the road for about 8 years Would love to see it here in the states some day
I’m not one to defend canyon but that sounds like something up with the frame or wheels. I have a grail with these bars and I’ve done 50+ mph descents plenty of times on this bike and it’s fine. Perhaps loading it up with bike packing gear and barreling down unfamiliar roads and riding no handed caused the speed wobbles?
Individual cans of Branston beans have the ring pull. You're all missing the crucial ingredient/condiment, Henderson's Relish (and no Worcestershire sauce is not an acceptable substitution). On bikes we've both bought used and for £2k I have an Ultegra Cannondale SSE with loads of Knott finishing stuff (2020) and my wife has a 105 Liv Langma Advanced which was £1600. If you want to be horrified take a look at what Planet X are asking for their new EC-30!
"We want that 10k pound bike, but we don't really need it" No words ever so true. The bike companies get you with their slightly better models. Hey if I spend 1k more, I can get Ultegra. If I spend 2k more I can get Di2, but it's 105, so I have to spend 3k more to get the Ultegra Di2. Before you know it, the bike is 9k and you probably only saved yourself a few seconds on that KOM.
Baked Bean followup: How about natto? Lots of folks can't stand the texture, but I love it and it's allegedly S tier healthy. Pet followup: Can someone who likes pet tarantulas explain why?
The sticker shock when it comes to bike prices has hit a bit of a tipping point for me lately. I had a Raleigh Elan in the mid-90s which cost 300 quid. That was replaced by a LeMond which cost $750 (I moved to the US) in the early-2000's. I switched to a CAAD 9 in 2009 for $1,500. Then switched to a Tarmac SL4 for $3,600 in 2013. A truck hit me last year and to get the same spec Tarmac, it's $8,000+. Admittedly cycling is my main hobby, but I can't justify that kind of spend. I ended up buying a 2nd hand barely ridden Tarmac SL6 for a fraction the cost. It's a cracking bike and as a side note, the difference between an SL4 and an SL6 is big. The tech has come a long way...but so has the price.
Cycling is a very expensive past time. I have a rather moderately priced bike (for serious cyclists). A £1,500 Genesis Croix de fer. However for anyone that isn’t a cyclist hearing I spent 1.5k on a bike is met with pure shock. It’s only in comparison to my more competitive cycling friends bikes that it seems not as bad. I know multiple people with a 2k mountain bike, a 6k road bike and a 10k trial bike. But for them cycling is their entire lives. I think the biggest issue is that the base prices are getting higher and higher and people don’t realise that often spending £300 is going to get you a pretty crap bike you’ll likely want to upgrade if you carry on cycling longer than a few months. For new cyclists that £300 is already a lot of money for a bike. For it then to be replaced so soon is an even bigger waste.
It is a matter of perspective. Cycling might be expensive compared to some other past times, but compared to any auto sport for example it is very cheap. Some other past times can also be surprisingly expansive, like table top games, I am constantly shocked what people will spend on WH40k and MTG stuff.
9:00 I was saving up to buy a Vitus Venon EVO-GR in the US, too 😭 Relevant to the later conversation, I now need someone to talk me out of dropping an irresponsible amount of money on an Allied Echo instead.
Quality bikes have always been highly priced imo . As a kid I always wanted a Colnago Pinarello etc. Later as a teenager still the same. Then in 1996 I went with a few mates to watch the Tour in the Alps so I bit the bullet and brought the cheapest Bianchi ML3 alloy to ride. That cost £1000 so still a lot of money to me. Now as an old man what I regard as prestigious are still too expensive for me. So nothings changed really. Re Emily's Capitalism point she is totally right but sad to say that whilst Marx was rightly critical of it neither he or anyone else has come up with a decent alternative to it.
I think there is a hill climb scene in the states. Pretty sure I've seen a Vegan cyclist video or two on hill climb TT's, and I think Phil Gaimon was US national hill climb champion at one point
I think the pricing and cost increases have taken the avg joe out of it. You figure that if the avg kid wants to get into cycling you are looking at spending thousands just to get into the sport. In my area 25 years ago there were races every weekend but now there are only a handful thru out the cycling months. Many are gone due to lack of participation. The groups that I cycle with are old men now and we rarely see youngsters getting into the sport and frankly even if they do they are quickly out of it due to the fact there are hardly and races and anyone in their age range to ride with.
Chain Reaction Cycles and Wiggle have allegedly paused invoice payments and cancelled new stock orders according to a report from Cycling Weekly. As a rider on a tight budget I hope they survive in some form like Planet X did. Last new frameset I bought was £150 (Planet X RT-58), just hope the bike industry doesn't price out new cyclists.
EMILY..... Store your tins of beans upside down. When you come to open them, turn them right way round and the beans are all on top and all come out with no issues. It's my #1 life hack
3 things: - yes there are hillclimb bikes elsewhere, I've seen some in several european countries, France, Switzerland, Italy, Spain... - you guys have either a very small memory or you were bike snobs back in the days. Shimano 105, and even Tiagra/RX100 and Sora/RSX, were already great affordable groupsets 10, 20 or even 30 years ago. I used to have a mix of RX100/RSX on a cyclocross bike that I took to win early into the road season while waiting for my sponsored bike back in the days just by switching the crank to have standard chainrings. The thing is, more often than not sub 105 groupsets were sold by brands with shitty unbranded cable kits that used to hurt their functionnality. - Cats are great and they don't run after cyclists.
Bike industry make 15% more than other niches. And you guys that work and have a brand on it, know this more than anyone 105 mechanical 12 speed, if frames have good integration, it's more than enough for 95% of people
The problem is that American baked beans are much sweeter than british baked beans. Its odd that it feels wrong to americans as most of our breakfasts are very sweet. Regarding the cost of bike products increasing, I've watched the same panaracer gravel tires go from being $40 in 2020 to costing $75 in 2023. I am not happy about this. At least my local bike shop gives me the frequent flyer discount whenever I'm in
Cycling is to expensive…if you let it be! Which is why a Rolex is to expensive for a watch, there’s plenty of better brands at a fraction of the price but people like the kudos/snobbery call it what you like …same with cycling brands! Personally love Aldi baked beans…105 group sets and hyd/disc brakes as I remember chrome plated rims and a single shifter on the down tube😂! Oh bought a Rolex (pre loved) which cost more than the 2k value of my car at the time …my decision my money …!!
As an American who loves beans on toast, can confirm I get all sorts of comments and reactions when I eat it lol. Most Americans dont get that Heinz tomato style beans are different than American baked beans
Yup way too expensive, I commented this on another video but I find it absolutely absurd that bike companies are selling bikes for £10k plus now - that is the absolute epitome of overpriced. I just can’t get my head around bike companies charging the same amount of money for a push bike that you could buy a high end motorbike with and then people actually paying the price, it’s insane. This whole bike industry is just a blatant scam.
BTW, larger cyclists are ALSO badly catered for. There aren't that many bikes that are properly sized for riders over 190cm (says the 195cm guy). And worse, the industry thinks that all cyclists MUST be under 100kg and preferably less than that. Fine for the ultra lightweight gear given engineering tradeoffs. But even adventure, touring and MTB bikes and components (wheels) list max weights at or below 100kg. Guess, what, there are real humans who weigh more than that.
I'm swimming in the convoluted bull..If you're a pro or serious bike head..yes knock your socks off..but to the novice who just wants to ride..it's crap..e.g. saddles, why so many
how can you possibly say that 10 years ago, 105 was rubbish? I have two bikes that were purchased 15 years ago. One came with 105, apart from chains and cassettes of course, the derailleurs and even the the chainrings work very well and change well; OK I wax so the chain rings last forever. the one that came with Dura Ace had all the gear replaced with 105 and I did 10. years one that one and then recently gave it an update to Ultegra and wheels and an integrated set of bars, because the bike is still fast. The point is the manual Ultegra is great but not hugely better Than the 15 year old 105. so it works, lasts a very long time and until recently cost MUCH less. this next bit is a raspberry being blown lat you... PZZZPPHt.
Brown's comments on pricing are spot on. There are now countless options to spend more. The bigger problem is perhaps the press and marketing etc pushing the idea of us (riders) 'needing' the snazziest bits all the time to be 'better' or 'enjoy things more'. I'm so happy to hear you guys talk openly and honestly about the cost of things in bikes. The joy of the simple, cheapest bikes are not spoken about enough. Great episode team 🙌🙌🙌
I don’t wish for Wiggle to go bust. It’s a pipe dream to think this will mean people go back to buying from their LBS. Online and DTC is here to stay, all you’re doing is asking for Amazon to fill the gap. There’s an irreplaceable market for being able to order an exact part number online and have it delivered in a few days. That’s not going away.
Agreed. If I have a specific part I need, I first would need to go to the LBS during their hours, explain what I need, which may require a discussion (more time). Then they have to find a distributer with that part and order it (which, ime as a former LBS mechanic, doesn't happen everyday - orders are usually placed only a few times a week). Then I wait for them to tell me it arrived (and since receiving takes time might be a day or two after it actually arrived). THEN I have to go pick it up on their hours. All in that could be 1-2 weeks. OR I have order it online and have it by the weekend. If its a critical part keeping me from riding, the choice is obvious. If you need a shop to install it, it's still probably faster to get it yourself and bring it in.
Most LBS I have dealt with over the past 20 or so years have been shit to say the least. Half of them don't know what they are doing, they are massively overpriced a lot of the time and don't hold products that I want to buy. If you have a good LBS then treasure it but lets not pretend that most of them aren't just there to make money first and foremost.
@@mctrials23absolutely right. Not all LBS's are equal. My local keeps stock of nothing and takes weeks to order stuff in. I can get it sooner and cheaper online and fix or fit it myself.
My way of getting a good bang for the buck bike is that I got a late 80s steel bike (real proper frameset, Columbus SLX) and replaced the entire drivetrain and wheels. Now with all the upgrades I have a 1300 euro bike, it's set up exactly the way I like, it's 8.7kg, fastest bike I've ever had and I love it! the frame surprisingly feels properly stiff and light too.
Canyon is several thousand dollars cheaper than their competitors. The rest of the industry is absurd. I wanted the new Defy but got an Endurace CF SLX with the same components for $3k less
I agree, I only have a Grand Canyon 8 but even at that price range I would have paid about 300€ more for a bike with the same components if it would be a different brand.
While the Tech improved in some ways, it is still kinda ridiculous that less than 15 years ago you could get full carbon leightweight bikes with a full dura ace/sram red/Campagnolo Super Record groupset for the price tag that is now on bikes with 105 Di2, while the bike in whole got heavier. Of course there was infaltion in that timeframe, but not 150% to 200%, it is bonkers.
And let's not pretend like bikes were slow in 2010. This is why I believe the best option is to get an older bike, give it a good service and put some modern wheels on it.
On the subject on the cost of cycling, I myself believe it has gotten out of hand. I have to agree with Brown (aka Mark) that your riding experience doesn't have to cost a fortune to be enjoyable. I myself have a full carbon frame with full Shimano Ultegra kit and carbon cranks. After several mechanical failures I am now riding an old 1986 Specialized Allez steel frame built up with a Tiagra/Sora mix, old Profile carbon fork, a set of aluminum Reynolds wheels (bought from Merlin Cycles for $140), and my pedals and saddle from my carbon bike. My recent rides have been more enjoyable, relaxed, and not any slower, even with the bike weighing an extra 4-5 lbs.
This is one of my favorite episodes so far, partly due to Bella crashing the party. But it really is great to hear your ongoing discussion about value.
1000000% agree LOL, our expectations are wacked at this point. Now saying a $7000 (canadian) bike is reasonable? wtf we've all gone mad LOL but yes we like what we like, biking is basically a way of life for many of us, if you can afford it, and you use it a lot, then justifying is easier. Agreed, real people want $10k but not a single one of us need it.... Yes, new bike ordered is Di2 again... I couldn't stomach downgrading LOL keep up the great works dudes
Cycling has been expensive for numerous years my dad had been working with carbon as a raw material for years all the bikes are over priced even when a bike is in a sale . Plus disc brakes has now been introduced to road bikes that a further cost to the average consumer.
When I raced back in late 80's early 90's, I could afford to build a good, new, race spec, custom bike with what I earned as a student working part time in a pub. Campagnolo Chorus groupset, hubs built into Mavic Mach 2CD2 rims with DT Swiss spokes, made to measure Reynolds 753 frameset, Cinelli bars and stem, Selle italia saddle, Vittoria tubs. You can't put together a similar level, brand new bike today, working three nights a week, pulling pints in a North East pub. It would cost what, seven, eight, nine grand? It took me just over a year to save for that bike. How many years would it take today? You'd be finishing your Phd before you got to turn a crank in anger.
I walked into the new Trek showroom to check out some bikes and they had a Madone with a 105 groupset going for $9000 CAD!!! (+/- 5500 GBP!!!) I won't even pay that much for a damn car!!!
No. There are plenty of ≈ $1,000 entry-level road bikes and $500 singlespeed commuters. They just don’t get any attention. The superbikes do. Saying bikes are too expensive based on the price of superbikes is like saying cars are too expensive because Ferraris cost a lot.
When I bought my Trek 7.2 hybrid in 2014, it was under $500. The entry level road bike from Trek was about $30 more at that time. Average people are being priced out of road biking.
100% agree with the prices of bikes. Got my Trek Emonda sl5, 105 R7000 with upgraded Bontrager carbon 50mm wheels for £3000 all in. I’m genuinely so impressed with the latest 105 groupset, coming from an older Ultegra Di2 setup
Don’t feel sorry for “poor” local bike shops or Wiggle. If businesses don’t evolve and adapt to changing needs, they become extinct - that’s life. Most of my local bike shops are arrogant, overpriced and unfriendly, but are still booming because most people who buy bikes here in Germany can’t even change a tire. Most people who are really into bikes, including the people who watch this channel, are well able to service their own bikes, often have more than one bike and are mostly happy to fix their bikes themselves. I couldn’t afford to bring my bikes to the local bike shop every time I need a new chain, cassette, etc.
Yes, I have been cycling road and mountain since the early 1990s and some of the equipment is insanely expensive and hard to maintain unlike my retro bike which I can fully strip, overhaul and service myself with basic tools and a few special ones
Well I´m not sure really. Take the top of the range models are insanely expensive. But there are a lot more options on absolutely everything today. But you also get quite desenct bikes for not that much money. I started riding road bikes in 1996 and my first bike was about 1500 gbp.. In todays money that would actually be almost 3000 gbp. And the bike I can get for 3000 today is a lot better in every way possible than the bike I got back then. So inflation since I started riding has been doubling the prices. And then you have all the modern tech and materials plus windtunneltesting and marketing that cost money. All that makes the prices higher.
As Jimmi, I didn't tell my wife about the cost of her bike because the most important thing in my head was to show her the beauty of cycling which in fact, happened.
I have the Grail from the first generation (still with Ultegra). Yes, the vibration damping is just marketing. I also get it, that the look of it is controversial, but nonetheless I actually like it. The bars give you a quite relaxed position on top, while providing you with a pretty aggressive position in the drops. I simply enjoy the flexibility from that. And hooking in the thumbs feels also pretty secure if the terrain gets rougher.
You guys definitely need to find the sweet spot on bikes please 👍 1.5k to 3k More realistic prices like most cycle to work schemes are 2k ? I find it hard to find a 2k bike when I like the 3-4K ones ??? Many thanks and great work guys 👍
I have mixed feelings. An LBS sounds like the most practical way of dealing with maintenance and repairs. I also get their value in selling second hand bikes. For new bikes, it seems like they would make sense combined with a "bike fit first" approach. For components, perhaps it would make sense to separate the "expert service to help you find the component that suits you best" from the "selling it to you" part of it. Then again, I'm just a consumer who knows nothing about the reality of running a business. I would happily pay for the services above, but when it comes to actually ordering a new item, I would rather do it online and have it delivered at home. I enjoy tinkering on my bike on my own schedule.
The problem with the cycling industry is that they are constantly finding a solution looking for a problem, instead of the other way around, and they call it innovation. When really it’s just expensive additions that don’t really improve riding experience. Electronic shifting is a prime example of this.
There must be tonnes and tonnes of virtually obsolete NOS parts going to waste while the bike industry pushes the latest "must have" tech. Feel sorry for all the overstocked bike shops.
@@Frostbiker None really, I have a bike I paid $550 US, 15 years ago, that I love. I’ve used it to race, commute, and tow my kids around the neighborhood. I really have no need or desire for upgrades or a new bike.
@@draugmithrin Carbon bike parts/frames will never be anything other than waste in a landfill after CF is no longer in vogue and bike consumers move on to the next big thing.
I've also encountered the person Francis was talking about with the shortest cranks, iirc he replied to a comment that all his cranks were custom built only measuring about 130mm or so(I could be wrong but it really is short). He'd rather spend more on having them custom-built because he has some type of injury on his Knee, and requires minimum movement or bend, thus the shortest cranks ever.
Wiggle did itself over with the website change. Just became absolutely useless at trying to find anything. Used Merlin, Sigma Sports and my LBS way more since the rebrand. With regards to bike prices, I’m now in no hurry to ‘upgrade’ to a new bike. On the flip side shops may benefit from more repairs/servicing as people use their bikes for longer.
Absoluttely when a so called entry level bike is nearly a months wage for me in norway its crazy... Im gonna buy a Ridley grifn allroad with aluminium frame and 105 thats 15 thousand Norwegian and its insane...
Your comments about small people not being catered to is spot on. My wife is 160cm and has short legs for her height and so many bikes don’t come in an appropriate size for her.
Our local shops would not order a small size to the test fit. We had to buy sight unseen. DTC companies did offer a “satification guaranteed” return period. We went with a DTC bike.
Would not buy anything but hydraulic disc brake bikes now. The security that it adds is worth the extra cost many times over. For me, it was an absolute revelation to switch. For my kids' bikes as they finally moved onto full size ones, it was just the same. For safety more than anything, they had to have hydraulic discs.
I live in Perth australia and loved the segment. It seems that Perth is becoming the most bike friendly city outside of Europe. The whole story about bike prices was so balanced, I just loved it. Got a very good idea what we SHOULD want. But I am unfit and only started cycling at 62, so I prefer a more upright position of a flat bar. Can you do a review of entry level specialized and Trek hybrids please? Thanks so much for such an informative video
I’m hoping you both continue to showcase decent bikes that are $1000 or less for those of us who enjoy the hobby, but don’t have the cash to sink thousands into a new bike.
Buy a frame and build it up.. create time.. some bike we buy for the logo and branding..... u realise most gey their the frames from same manufacturers on China and other Asian countries. Same design.. shop around for a good frame then get good components and u hv what not everyone is riding. 🎉
I have the cash. I wouldn't pay those ridiculous prices for rather simplistic tech at all.
We need to talk more about getting people on used bikes. Most normal™ people will get a lot more value by buying second hand or having someone fix up or upgrade their existing bike. Folks like Craig from Save old bikes or Monkeyshred and Toasty Rides really are doing God’s work. ❤
Watching smiling with the mention of Moss. Andy Jones, a great bike builder, and also a brilliant and inspirational DT teacher who took frame building into schools. Legend
I live in the French alps. In a town called Briançon, at the foot of a few famous climbs like the Galibier, the Izoard and the Granon. We have 2 very popular hill climbs events each summer.
The 'Defi du Granon" and the "Defi du Galibier". These races are extremely different that the UK hill climbs, they are mass start and require a long sustained effort. The fastest guys usually finishing just under 40 minutes for either race.
It's extremely competitive and a LOT of fun!
Anyone else want to see Jimmy’s press up technique that makes it a full body workout? 😂
On the second day of a massive supported ride from Seattle to Portland, I noticed the front QR lever was open on a fellow rider. We happened to be just starting a descent. It would have been irresponsible not to tell him. On that same ride over the years I have helped change several tires typically asking if they need a hand seems to work fine.
Excellent work.
I'd rather ride a top end road frame from over a decade ago than anything currently pushed by the bike industry, even if its bought second hand. I have friends who have acquired nice Colnago's etc, worth 4-5k framest for under 1k, then you can build up a sweet riding competitive weighing bike for little outlay. Of course these bikes have rim brakes but then you really don't need discs on a road bike, what was fine for a hundred years is still fine to ride now at any level. This is a big problem for the bike industry at the moment as riders like me have stopped buying their bikes, whereas in the past I'd always be jumping on the latest things.
The biggest issue I had with the Hover bar was it kept your hands really far away from the bar controls (brakes and shifters) so at the point when you want the most vibration damping (going fast) you couldn't cover the brakes! EEK!!! 😬
We never have hillclimb events here in the Netherlands and I can't for the life of me understand why
I’ve seen a Dutch guy get a nosebleed on an escalator
As one of those Commuter cyclists who don't own a bike that cost me over 150£, i like the fact that you recognise the pricing perception problem in the sport. Recently i was looking into getting a serious bike to train. My dad, who is a cyclist since ever, couldn't understand why i want an alloy bike for 1.5k (very expensive for a bike) and not spend more (2.5k) for the carbon version of the same bike. So for 1k more, i would shed 1.5 kilo from the bike and not much more. I reckon i would lost the same weight from all the money i'd spend on the bike.
Such a good episode. As a bloke who has spent 50 yrs riding, racing, wrenching, etc., I managed to guilt myself over not having spent enough $$ when I made the change this year from steel/cables/rim brakes, etc. to carbon/electric/disc. With pedals and cages, I spent nearly $7K. Yup, I actually thought to myself how dare I spend so LITTLE on something so important. Absolutely INSANE. I came to my senses relatively quickly. The new bike is fab. I still ride the old one, but yup, the industry can guilt even the most experienced of us with this insanity. Keep up the good work, all. Cheers!
And btw, the $7K was all I could afford.
The ‘23 emonda alr with 105 can be found new for less than 1800, even closer to 1600 in some places. With some new wheels you’ll get close to 8kg for 2500.
I for one, would love to see the 7.5 kg bike on the cheap, although TraceVelo has done it for pretty reasonable amounts, and so has GCN. I am struggling to see how to get my two decent, relatively new, ally bikes below 9.5 at the moment - lighter parts won't add up to 2 kg, beyond what I have already done (carbon post, carbon seat, carbon 38mm deep rims on Novatecs, road pedals). Bar, cranks, shifters, with titanium bolts, carbon post clamp, carbon steerer cap, and carbon cages won't do it. So good luck!
Very funny banter 😂 that is well presented. The timing of the camera changes is spot on. Love the side comments of Emily
Get a Look Ergo stem. Really helped me out when I used to get more regular back issues.
A $3k cf bike will have crap wheels/tire, handlebar, saddle, and 105 groupset. It's really crazy how expensive bikes have become, and how much less you receive in return.
haha you guys cracked me up with the beans section. Great episode btw.
17:51 I had 10 speed Tiagra 2600 for ages. Loved it. Bit ugly on the shifters. I know ride Ltwoo 10 speed becuase I liked the looks. Loving that too! I dont race and just enjoy being out.
Looking for recommendations for switching my daily commute tyres for winter.
I ride is a Diverge E5 with 38 mil stock tyres. However, I've noticed that the stopping power is considerably reduced when I'm riding in the rain on them. I'm 6'1" and 94kgs(yes, I'm fat...lol!) hence looking to change them out for the winter to ensure that it's safer for me to ride daily.
My daily commute is about 20km each way, mainly on roads but I do like to take the gravel path at times and on weekends. I have looked at the 700x43C Panaracer Gravel King SK but would like to go for a 45 or a 47mm(max tyre clearance of the bike) if possible. I'm looking for suggestions as this will be my first winter ride in the UK. Cheers! love the content you guys make and it's helped me become much better in my rides!
I decided to build a gravel bike versus buying a full built bike and having to remove and replace parts I did not want
eed. I wanted a mullet setup, so I decided to buy the frame through my local shop and then ended up purchasing about 75% of the parts needed from the local shop, as the pricing was the same or close to it. Since I did that, they offered to put it together for me and not charge me for doing that. I ended up saving almost $2k overall and even got new wheels and got a fantastic build. Was still pricey but worth it. Living in Florida, I am tell you, there are no hill climb competitions :)
I KNEW IT. Jimmy's opinion on baked beans was brilliant
Next: Marmite!
Got two single speed track bikes both under 500$ aero frame characteristics and as long as you're not dealing with extreme climbs, they're speed monsters, out run Tarmacs aeroroads all the time, can easily throw on deep dishes wheels. An excellent budget option on flatter terrains for those who want 14k worth of speed or cross training, or interested in owning a well rounded stable without braking the bank
Midwest USA chiming in, never seen a hill climb event in my life. Been racing on the road for about 8 years
Would love to see it here in the states some day
I’m not one to defend canyon but that sounds like something up with the frame or wheels. I have a grail with these bars and I’ve done 50+ mph descents plenty of times on this bike and it’s fine. Perhaps loading it up with bike packing gear and barreling down unfamiliar roads and riding no handed caused the speed wobbles?
With a loaded front you can get into resonance frequency and the bike becomes unridable. With the hands on the drops you dampen that resonance.
Individual cans of Branston beans have the ring pull. You're all missing the crucial ingredient/condiment, Henderson's Relish (and no Worcestershire sauce is not an acceptable substitution).
On bikes we've both bought used and for £2k I have an Ultegra Cannondale SSE with loads of Knott finishing stuff (2020) and my wife has a 105 Liv Langma Advanced which was £1600. If you want to be horrified take a look at what Planet X are asking for their new EC-30!
"We want that 10k pound bike, but we don't really need it" No words ever so true. The bike companies get you with their slightly better models. Hey if I spend 1k more, I can get Ultegra. If I spend 2k more I can get Di2, but it's 105, so I have to spend 3k more to get the Ultegra Di2. Before you know it, the bike is 9k and you probably only saved yourself a few seconds on that KOM.
Baked Bean followup: How about natto? Lots of folks can't stand the texture, but I love it and it's allegedly S tier healthy.
Pet followup: Can someone who likes pet tarantulas explain why?
Well San Fran has some wacky competitions up some of their really hilly roads.
The sticker shock when it comes to bike prices has hit a bit of a tipping point for me lately. I had a Raleigh Elan in the mid-90s which cost 300 quid. That was replaced by a LeMond which cost $750 (I moved to the US) in the early-2000's. I switched to a CAAD 9 in 2009 for $1,500. Then switched to a Tarmac SL4 for $3,600 in 2013. A truck hit me last year and to get the same spec Tarmac, it's $8,000+. Admittedly cycling is my main hobby, but I can't justify that kind of spend. I ended up buying a 2nd hand barely ridden Tarmac SL6 for a fraction the cost. It's a cracking bike and as a side note, the difference between an SL4 and an SL6 is big. The tech has come a long way...but so has the price.
Cycling is full of people who "need" a rolex. When a sun dial can get the job done.
Mt Wellington TT in Tasmania is one of the best hill climb events on the planet. KOM currently held by Team Sky's Nathan Earle.
Cycling is a very expensive past time. I have a rather moderately priced bike (for serious cyclists). A £1,500 Genesis Croix de fer. However for anyone that isn’t a cyclist hearing I spent 1.5k on a bike is met with pure shock. It’s only in comparison to my more competitive cycling friends bikes that it seems not as bad. I know multiple people with a 2k mountain bike, a 6k road bike and a 10k trial bike. But for them cycling is their entire lives.
I think the biggest issue is that the base prices are getting higher and higher and people don’t realise that often spending £300 is going to get you a pretty crap bike you’ll likely want to upgrade if you carry on cycling longer than a few months. For new cyclists that £300 is already a lot of money for a bike. For it then to be replaced so soon is an even bigger waste.
It is a matter of perspective.
Cycling might be expensive compared to some other past times, but compared to any auto sport for example it is very cheap.
Some other past times can also be surprisingly expansive, like table top games, I am constantly shocked what people will spend on WH40k and MTG stuff.
The Mt Washington hill climb in the state of New Hampshire has been an annual event for the past 50 years.
Thanks guys, great episode ❤
I just bought a Seven Alaris SG with 11speed Ultegra for $1100 USD. It's a great bike. Just recently started riding bikes again.
Rose Xlite06 with mechanical Ultegra Disc brake is under 7,5 kg for 3.6 k €.
Why not buy a second hand 10.000 pound bike for 3000 pounds from someone who wants to buy a 12.000 pond bike? I did.
9:00 I was saving up to buy a Vitus Venon EVO-GR in the US, too 😭
Relevant to the later conversation, I now need someone to talk me out of dropping an irresponsible amount of money on an Allied Echo instead.
Quality bikes have always been highly priced imo . As a kid I always wanted a Colnago Pinarello etc. Later as a teenager still the same. Then in 1996 I went with a few mates to watch the Tour in the Alps so I bit the bullet and brought the cheapest Bianchi ML3 alloy to ride. That cost £1000 so still a lot of money to me. Now as an old man what I regard as prestigious are still too expensive for me. So nothings changed really. Re Emily's Capitalism point she is totally right but sad to say that whilst Marx was rightly critical of it neither he or anyone else has come up with a decent alternative to it.
I think there is a hill climb scene in the states. Pretty sure I've seen a Vegan cyclist video or two on hill climb TT's, and I think Phil Gaimon was US national hill climb champion at one point
I think the pricing and cost increases have taken the avg joe out of it. You figure that if the avg kid wants to get into cycling you are looking at spending thousands just to get into the sport. In my area 25 years ago there were races every weekend but now there are only a handful thru out the cycling months. Many are gone due to lack of participation. The groups that I cycle with are old men now and we rarely see youngsters getting into the sport and frankly even if they do they are quickly out of it due to the fact there are hardly and races and anyone in their age range to ride with.
The Joseph Joseph bog brush is objectively better than the average bog brush 🧹
Chain Reaction Cycles and Wiggle have allegedly paused invoice payments and cancelled new stock orders according to a report from Cycling Weekly. As a rider on a tight budget I hope they survive in some form like Planet X did. Last new frameset I bought was £150 (Planet X RT-58), just hope the bike industry doesn't price out new cyclists.
EMILY..... Store your tins of beans upside down. When you come to open them, turn them right way round and the beans are all on top and all come out with no issues.
It's my #1 life hack
3 things:
- yes there are hillclimb bikes elsewhere, I've seen some in several european countries, France, Switzerland, Italy, Spain...
- you guys have either a very small memory or you were bike snobs back in the days. Shimano 105, and even Tiagra/RX100 and Sora/RSX, were already great affordable groupsets 10, 20 or even 30 years ago. I used to have a mix of RX100/RSX on a cyclocross bike that I took to win early into the road season while waiting for my sponsored bike back in the days just by switching the crank to have standard chainrings. The thing is, more often than not sub 105 groupsets were sold by brands with shitty unbranded cable kits that used to hurt their functionnality.
- Cats are great and they don't run after cyclists.
Bike industry make 15% more than other niches. And you guys that work and have a brand on it, know this more than anyone
105 mechanical 12 speed, if frames have good integration, it's more than enough for 95% of people
Sounds like we need a 3 way budget bike battle.
The problem is that American baked beans are much sweeter than british baked beans. Its odd that it feels wrong to americans as most of our breakfasts are very sweet. Regarding the cost of bike products increasing, I've watched the same panaracer gravel tires go from being $40 in 2020 to costing $75 in 2023. I am not happy about this. At least my local bike shop gives me the frequent flyer discount whenever I'm in
The 2nd hand lightweight bike under 1k needs to be a thing!
Cycling is to expensive…if you let it be!
Which is why a Rolex is to expensive for a watch, there’s plenty of better brands at a fraction of the price but people like the kudos/snobbery call it what you like …same with cycling brands!
Personally love Aldi baked beans…105 group sets and hyd/disc brakes as I remember chrome plated rims and a single shifter on the down tube😂!
Oh bought a Rolex (pre loved) which cost more than the 2k value of my car at the time …my decision my money …!!
As an American who loves beans on toast, can confirm I get all sorts of comments and reactions when I eat it lol. Most Americans dont get that Heinz tomato style beans are different than American baked beans
Jimmy, how much was your steel custom bike?
NOOOOOO!!!!! Wrong seats! Cat Hate!! But still love the podcast!
Yup way too expensive, I commented this on another video but I find it absolutely absurd that bike companies are selling bikes for £10k plus now - that is the absolute epitome of overpriced. I just can’t get my head around bike companies charging the same amount of money for a push bike that you could buy a high end motorbike with and then people actually paying the price, it’s insane. This whole bike industry is just a blatant scam.
And Haricot Bean is correct #BeanzMeanzPodcast
CRC/Wiggle no longer ships overseas. *sigh*
BTW, larger cyclists are ALSO badly catered for. There aren't that many bikes that are properly sized for riders over 190cm (says the 195cm guy). And worse, the industry thinks that all cyclists MUST be under 100kg and preferably less than that. Fine for the ultra lightweight gear given engineering tradeoffs. But even adventure, touring and MTB bikes and components (wheels) list max weights at or below 100kg. Guess, what, there are real humans who weigh more than that.
On the plus side the used market prices have come right down. #BuyUsed
I like my hover bar 😊
Isn’t a flat bar gravel bike a mountain bike?
I'm swimming in the convoluted bull..If you're a pro or serious bike head..yes knock your socks off..but to the novice who just wants to ride..it's crap..e.g. saddles, why so many
how can you possibly say that 10 years ago, 105 was rubbish? I have two bikes that were purchased 15 years ago. One came with 105, apart from chains and cassettes of course, the derailleurs and even the the chainrings work very well and change well; OK I wax so the chain rings last forever. the one that came with Dura Ace had all the gear replaced with 105 and I did 10. years one that one and then recently gave it an update to Ultegra and wheels and an integrated set of bars, because the bike is still fast. The point is the manual Ultegra is great but not hugely better Than the 15 year old 105.
so it works, lasts a very long time and until recently cost MUCH less. this next bit is a raspberry being blown lat you... PZZZPPHt.
Brown's comments on pricing are spot on. There are now countless options to spend more. The bigger problem is perhaps the press and marketing etc pushing the idea of us (riders) 'needing' the snazziest bits all the time to be 'better' or 'enjoy things more'. I'm so happy to hear you guys talk openly and honestly about the cost of things in bikes. The joy of the simple, cheapest bikes are not spoken about enough. Great episode team 🙌🙌🙌
I don’t wish for Wiggle to go bust. It’s a pipe dream to think this will mean people go back to buying from their LBS. Online and DTC is here to stay, all you’re doing is asking for Amazon to fill the gap. There’s an irreplaceable market for being able to order an exact part number online and have it delivered in a few days. That’s not going away.
Agreed. If I have a specific part I need, I first would need to go to the LBS during their hours, explain what I need, which may require a discussion (more time). Then they have to find a distributer with that part and order it (which, ime as a former LBS mechanic, doesn't happen everyday - orders are usually placed only a few times a week). Then I wait for them to tell me it arrived (and since receiving takes time might be a day or two after it actually arrived). THEN I have to go pick it up on their hours. All in that could be 1-2 weeks.
OR I have order it online and have it by the weekend.
If its a critical part keeping me from riding, the choice is obvious. If you need a shop to install it, it's still probably faster to get it yourself and bring it in.
Most LBS I have dealt with over the past 20 or so years have been shit to say the least. Half of them don't know what they are doing, they are massively overpriced a lot of the time and don't hold products that I want to buy. If you have a good LBS then treasure it but lets not pretend that most of them aren't just there to make money first and foremost.
@@mctrials23absolutely right. Not all LBS's are equal. My local keeps stock of nothing and takes weeks to order stuff in. I can get it sooner and cheaper online and fix or fit it myself.
Please go back to sitting the other way round. It's all a bit much for my OCD.
Can we just have the camera on Emily please😊
Hahaha! Yeah was strange for me too.
@@MTBryanHand Jimmy wearing a cap while Francis wasn't. It's all gone wonky 😂
@@virtualmartijn Just like the mirror Universe in Star Trek…
I m guessing you would not be a fan of a 12 speed front mech even if all mechanical studies clearly demonstrated its superiority
My way of getting a good bang for the buck bike is that I got a late 80s steel bike (real proper frameset, Columbus SLX) and replaced the entire drivetrain and wheels. Now with all the upgrades I have a 1300 euro bike, it's set up exactly the way I like, it's 8.7kg, fastest bike I've ever had and I love it! the frame surprisingly feels properly stiff and light too.
This show elevates every time Emily gets to chime in.
Canyon is several thousand dollars cheaper than their competitors. The rest of the industry is absurd. I wanted the new Defy but got an Endurace CF SLX with the same components for $3k less
I agree, I only have a Grand Canyon 8 but even at that price range I would have paid about 300€ more for a bike with the same components if it would be a different brand.
There are some gold in German brands, like Cube and Rose are at par with canyon on value, and the new decathlon van rysel bikes are such a great deal
I built my Elves Falath with 12 speed Ltwoo and Elite wheels for 2k. Very pleased with it.
While the Tech improved in some ways, it is still kinda ridiculous that less than 15 years ago you could get full carbon leightweight bikes with a full dura ace/sram red/Campagnolo Super Record groupset for the price tag that is now on bikes with 105 Di2, while the bike in whole got heavier.
Of course there was infaltion in that timeframe, but not 150% to 200%, it is bonkers.
And let's not pretend like bikes were slow in 2010. This is why I believe the best option is to get an older bike, give it a good service and put some modern wheels on it.
On the subject on the cost of cycling, I myself believe it has gotten out of hand. I have to agree with Brown (aka Mark) that your riding experience doesn't have to cost a fortune to be enjoyable. I myself have a full carbon frame with full Shimano Ultegra kit and carbon cranks. After several mechanical failures I am now riding an old 1986 Specialized Allez steel frame built up with a Tiagra/Sora mix, old Profile carbon fork, a set of aluminum Reynolds wheels (bought from Merlin Cycles for $140), and my pedals and saddle from my carbon bike. My recent rides have been more enjoyable, relaxed, and not any slower, even with the bike weighing an extra 4-5 lbs.
This is one of my favorite episodes so far, partly due to Bella crashing the party. But it really is great to hear your ongoing discussion about value.
1000000% agree LOL, our expectations are wacked at this point. Now saying a $7000 (canadian) bike is reasonable? wtf we've all gone mad LOL but yes we like what we like, biking is basically a way of life for many of us, if you can afford it, and you use it a lot, then justifying is easier. Agreed, real people want $10k but not a single one of us need it.... Yes, new bike ordered is Di2 again... I couldn't stomach downgrading LOL keep up the great works dudes
Cycling has been expensive for numerous years my dad had been working with carbon as a raw material for years all the bikes are over priced even when a bike is in a sale . Plus disc brakes has now been introduced to road bikes that a further cost to the average consumer.
When I raced back in late 80's early 90's, I could afford to build a good, new, race spec, custom bike with what I earned as a student working part time in a pub. Campagnolo Chorus groupset, hubs built into Mavic Mach 2CD2 rims with DT Swiss spokes, made to measure Reynolds 753 frameset, Cinelli bars and stem, Selle italia saddle, Vittoria tubs.
You can't put together a similar level, brand new bike today, working three nights a week, pulling pints in a North East pub. It would cost what, seven, eight, nine grand? It took me just over a year to save for that bike. How many years would it take today?
You'd be finishing your Phd before you got to turn a crank in anger.
I walked into the new Trek showroom to check out some bikes and they had a Madone with a 105 groupset going for $9000 CAD!!! (+/- 5500 GBP!!!) I won't even pay that much for a damn car!!!
No. There are plenty of ≈ $1,000 entry-level road bikes and $500 singlespeed commuters. They just don’t get any attention. The superbikes do.
Saying bikes are too expensive based on the price of superbikes is like saying cars are too expensive because Ferraris cost a lot.
~$1,000 dollars for an entry level bike isn't expensive?
When I bought my Trek 7.2 hybrid in 2014, it was under $500. The entry level road bike from Trek was about $30 more at that time. Average people are being priced out of road biking.
100% agree with the prices of bikes. Got my Trek Emonda sl5, 105 R7000 with upgraded Bontrager carbon 50mm wheels for £3000 all in. I’m genuinely so impressed with the latest 105 groupset, coming from an older Ultegra Di2 setup
I agree. I have the Emonda. I also had the crank changed to a 52 tooth ring. Very nice bike.😊
Don’t feel sorry for “poor” local bike shops or Wiggle. If businesses don’t evolve and adapt to changing needs, they become extinct - that’s life. Most of my local bike shops are arrogant, overpriced and unfriendly, but are still booming because most people who buy bikes here in Germany can’t even change a tire. Most people who are really into bikes, including the people who watch this channel, are well able to service their own bikes, often have more than one bike and are mostly happy to fix their bikes themselves. I couldn’t afford to bring my bikes to the local bike shop every time I need a new chain, cassette, etc.
Yes, I have been cycling road and mountain since the early 1990s and some of the equipment is insanely expensive and hard to maintain unlike my retro bike which I can fully strip, overhaul and service myself with basic tools and a few special ones
Completely disagree with bike parts and LBS. due to my local shops are techs are morons.
Cycling is a sport so inclusive and diverse and accessible and equitable you have to make 200k/year to get a good bike. 🤦♂
Lets have Emily joining in more, she's got good stuff to say! And extensively easy on the eyes and ears!!!🙂🙂🙂
Bella MUST make an appearance in all future podcasts.
Well I´m not sure really.
Take the top of the range models are insanely expensive.
But there are a lot more options on absolutely everything today.
But you also get quite desenct bikes for not that much money.
I started riding road bikes in 1996 and my first bike was about 1500 gbp..
In todays money that would actually be almost 3000 gbp.
And the bike I can get for 3000 today is a lot better in every way possible than the bike I got back then.
So inflation since I started riding has been doubling the prices.
And then you have all the modern tech and materials plus windtunneltesting and marketing that cost money.
All that makes the prices higher.
As Jimmi, I didn't tell my wife about the cost of her bike because the most important thing in my head was to show her the beauty of cycling which in fact, happened.
There should be a velominati rule about hiding the true cost of cycling
I have the Grail from the first generation (still with Ultegra). Yes, the vibration damping is just marketing. I also get it, that the look of it is controversial, but nonetheless I actually like it. The bars give you a quite relaxed position on top, while providing you with a pretty aggressive position in the drops. I simply enjoy the flexibility from that. And hooking in the thumbs feels also pretty secure if the terrain gets rougher.
You guys definitely need to find the sweet spot on bikes please 👍 1.5k to 3k
More realistic prices like most cycle to work schemes are 2k ?
I find it hard to find a 2k bike when I like the 3-4K ones ???
Many thanks and great work guys 👍
I have mixed feelings. An LBS sounds like the most practical way of dealing with maintenance and repairs. I also get their value in selling second hand bikes. For new bikes, it seems like they would make sense combined with a "bike fit first" approach. For components, perhaps it would make sense to separate the "expert service to help you find the component that suits you best" from the "selling it to you" part of it.
Then again, I'm just a consumer who knows nothing about the reality of running a business. I would happily pay for the services above, but when it comes to actually ordering a new item, I would rather do it online and have it delivered at home. I enjoy tinkering on my bike on my own schedule.
The problem with the cycling industry is that they are constantly finding a solution looking for a problem, instead of the other way around, and they call it innovation. When really it’s just expensive additions that don’t really improve riding experience. Electronic shifting is a prime example of this.
What sort of bike problems do you have that need solving these days instead?
There must be tonnes and tonnes of virtually obsolete NOS parts going to waste while the bike industry pushes the latest "must have" tech. Feel sorry for all the overstocked bike shops.
@@Frostbiker None really, I have a bike I paid $550 US, 15 years ago, that I love. I’ve used it to race, commute, and tow my kids around the neighborhood. I really have no need or desire for upgrades or a new bike.
@@draugmithrin Carbon bike parts/frames will never be anything other than waste in a landfill after CF is no longer in vogue and bike consumers move on to the next big thing.
I think the manufacturers have done their job with marketing and normalized very high pricing. I don't know if we can ever go back..
Have a look for the „anchoring effect“ …
I've also encountered the person Francis was talking about with the shortest cranks, iirc he replied to a comment that all his cranks were custom built only measuring about 130mm or so(I could be wrong but it really is short).
He'd rather spend more on having them custom-built because he has some type of injury on his Knee, and requires minimum movement or bend, thus the shortest cranks ever.
Upside down bean tin storage in the cupboard is the solution to the sinking juice problem
10 things I wish I knew before I started eating beans
@@Cade_Media Number 3 - always buy from your LBS (local bean shop)
One carbon frame , hydro disc 12 speed 105, 8.5kg, 2000€ is the van rysel NCR 105 (1600€ if you take 10s Tiagra insted )
Wiggle did itself over with the website change. Just became absolutely useless at trying to find anything. Used Merlin, Sigma Sports and my LBS way more since the rebrand.
With regards to bike prices, I’m now in no hurry to ‘upgrade’ to a new bike. On the flip side shops may benefit from more repairs/servicing as people use their bikes for longer.
Absoluttely when a so called entry level bike is nearly a months wage for me in norway its crazy... Im gonna buy a Ridley grifn allroad with aluminium frame and 105 thats 15 thousand Norwegian and its insane...
Your comments about small people not being catered to is spot on. My wife is 160cm and has short legs for her height and so many bikes don’t come in an appropriate size for her.
Our local shops would not order a small size to the test fit. We had to buy sight unseen. DTC companies did offer a “satification guaranteed” return period. We went with a DTC bike.
Cold baked beans? Yes yes yes! Finally someone that gets it!
Would not buy anything but hydraulic disc brake bikes now. The security that it adds is worth the extra cost many times over. For me, it was an absolute revelation to switch. For my kids' bikes as they finally moved onto full size ones, it was just the same. For safety more than anything, they had to have hydraulic discs.
I live in Perth australia and loved the segment. It seems that Perth is becoming the most bike friendly city outside of Europe. The whole story about bike prices was so balanced, I just loved it. Got a very good idea what we SHOULD want. But I am unfit and only started cycling at 62, so I prefer a more upright position of a flat bar. Can you do a review of entry level specialized and Trek hybrids please? Thanks so much for such an informative video