Hey everyone! Be sure to check out @gakuSSB's wonderful compilation of ridiculous Pyra tech: twitter.com/search?q=from%3Agakussb%20%23ssbu_myran Also, here's the original Pyra sideB Tweet! twitter.com/gakuSSB/status/1369903422242193408 ...and the original Mythra upB Tweet! twitter.com/WDBTHtGP/status/1368717791432425474 *Update: it's been brought to my attention that xRed posted an earlier version of this tech - Gaku just brought it to the ledge & optimized it! Here's the original Tweet, give them a follow: twitter.com/xRed_ssb/status/1369847812771446785
Quick comment regarding pyra's hitstun in specific: If you can cancel it with a wall, couldn't you cancel it on one of steve's blocks? Could be a fun doubles tech, call it the "DLC Privilege" combo, or at least something that could potentially be used in the matchup against steve in certain situations
"That's right, the only way to escape that combo is to knock the controller out of my hands, which I can actually frame trap into a destruction of property lawsuit" Bloody genius! That joke alone guaranteed a like from me.
I definitely felt it was really weird how Mythra's up b was a true combo, so seeing that mechanic get applied in a semi-practical manner like this is hysterical lmfao DLC privilege is crazy
a true combo where they VISIBLY STAND THERE for people who don't look at the replies like Jason M, I understand it's a true combo. I am simply pointing out that it looks off.
@@supremechaosbeing2696 It literally combos on the combo meter. He explains that the additional hitstun added to the moves prevent the opponent from acting even when they should be able to.
@@superal68 People usually mean both characters when they talk about "Pyra". Unless you just want to hear cursed words like Pythra or Myra to refer to both characters.
I don't know how many people are here to implement this move for their benefit, but I appreciate you making this so I can know to avoid this at all costs
They'll probably fix this so that the modifier is nullified when the opponent touches the ground, but that still leaves a bunch of nutty combos untouched.
Thank you for explaining. I knew that these specials (mostly pyra side-b) had stupid hitstun but I didn't think to try to combo out of them. They went super overboard though.
thank you for teaching me more about hitstun. i've mained pretty much nothing but mythra/pyra since her release and im on a break rn. so this was pretty cool. nice combo
"Frame trap into a destruction of property lawsuit." You forget the mixup options of either disconnecting the controller via the cords or detaching the switch from the dock, thus removing your visual aid.
Yoooo I knew i could bonk the sword against the wall and not lose it but this is an entire other level! WHAT IN THE WORLD! Pyra seriously might be my new main, I never even learned a footstool combo for Kirby but when I have the time I'm absolutely gonna lab this one out. As not-terrible as Head-On Assault is, they should definitely give it a hitstun modifier to make it a bit more reliable, so it goes from mediocre to solid. Especially with its annoying competition in Flip Jump. ...Oh, so the side special trick only works if the foe is hanging on ledge? I mean I guess I can practice that later but if that's the case, yeah, prolly not gonna memorize it like I expected to. Might memorize Mythra's version since her whole point is to recover and to KO late so that could actually work out, buuut I dunno, she's a rare sight. Thanks for revealing an important Twitter page, though! And great vid! So Mythra's is the Frozen Mountain Dew, and Pyra's is the Spicy Coca Cola? Are those good names?
Pyra/mythra: jiggle physics, overpowered with broken mechanics, multiple forms, tons of kill moves and kills very early. Me: So it's basically the definition of fan service
100% agree that this doesn't make them "broken", since these hitstun modifiers only matter when you can cancel a move it's never gonna happen in neutral and only in very specific ledge situations
1:09 XDXDXDXD Imagine saying that the mechanics of a character are better done because it is a DLC, as if Pyra's UpB don't be make like one of his principal ways to kill, not counting that other characters don't kill with it because the moveset are focused in another way, and putting the Mii as an example, and without having consider characters like Ike or Chrom, that have the same idea.
yes. let's give this character gigantic hitboxes, a fast kill move, a fast move with 54 frames of hitstun that combos into literally anything, a massive spike hitbox, a panic button and a whole extra set of special moves just for shits and giggles. what you said literally doesn't make sense
@@TempestKrimps Well, me speaking because don’t have makes no sense to say that the UpB is consistent because she is a DLC, and you complaining about the character in general as if he haI said she are amaizing or something, but nevermind. Ok, “gigantic hitboxes””, to start they have swords, that is something, if we compare it with other swords this is smaller than most, Mythra compensates for this an aberrational speed, for combos, Pyra instead puts flames on his attacks, to extend the range, but of course you are a Ganondorf, every time you attack to wait for a day of endlag, you will not tell me that other characters are not like that, Side B of byleth, Cloud Smashses, Bayo Smashes, I think you dilike DK too, literally Smash of Pyra but better ... A fast kill move, well, Mythra of course don’t have this, or you have 180%, or she land on you the Neutral B, of course is you problem, Pyra is clearly once again the stereotype of a slow but strong character, if you see him like that, no problems, you will not complain to me about this, of course, the smashes are not especially slow, until you see how you she fail, and yes, when Up B fails once again you can do whatever you want, the 54 frames no idea what you are talking about, if it is the spike I will touch it now, the Spike of course is incredible, now there are the two glorious situations when you hit someone, when she land the 2 frames, this is no complaint , any other character will punish the 2 frames with their tools to kill, or you throw yourself with your horrible recovery and if you are not a little mac, you do a reverse, it is also normal that she have that powerful and big spike, you only have 3 opcion for edguard, b neutral throwing you, again risking, use a air move, the best is the spike, risky, or side b, the other way would be spike on the ground on combo, which like all the characters do a combo with their spike, Lucas, finish with upair, C. Falcon with frametraps, Falco incredible aerials combos, Marth to upsmash ... “Panic button”, I have no idea what you are talking about, all I think is the Side B of Mythra, the truth is if it is annoying and takes up a lot, but it's just that, annoying, shield and punishment, and now the special, Neutral Bl is not big problem, with Side B you are right, Mythra's is super annoying, and Pyra Side B too, but you are literally left without any way to attack, which is a very high price, and Up B, Mythra is damage, a lot of characters have this, Mario, Cloud ... and if you get creative, you do edguard, but the truth is, there are many better projectiles than this to do that, and Pyra is a Smash, land the first part of the attack? You die, This don’t happen? Use your smash she dies. If you answer me, I hope you take this as a pleasant conversation and not like a discussion.
@@sal_8 first off: you are completely wrong about their swords being "smaller compared to the others". the fact that they even have a sword and fast moves in the first place is already a big advantage that most characters can only dream of having, but when you throw in aerials that can cover every single angle around the character (which, if not counting neutral airs, only shulk and a handful of others can accomplish), that's already a much stronger start than half the cast. second, yes they are gigantic hitboxes. take a look at rekzius' video dissecting them if you want to take a better look. third, 54 frames of hitstun is unheard of, sure it's limited to ledges, but it's still a massively powerful option when you take into account that it combos into any move, such as a combo starter, or a kill move, or even a grab in some cases, and it's an option that a sword character definitely does not need. also, not only did you miss the point of what i was trying to say, but you also pulled the worst possible examples to combat what i meant. you somehow compared the forward smash of a *_sword character_* to donkey kong's, which can be cancelled out by just poking his hand hurtbox with a move of high enough priority. you also used ganondorf, the prime example of a character that suffers because of endlag, to explain why their moves are "not really that fast". not to mention the character swapping, it's like pokemon trainer if they had a big disjointed hitbox on every move. struggling to get in? choose mythra, struggling to kill? choose pyra, struggling to play the game? no problem, just wall them out with aerials. it's way too many options for a character that would have already been good enough with half of them.
Little Mac can actually do the same thing with his upb at ledge. On characters heavier than cloud it true combos into another upb, up air and even sideb. I’ve never seen it done personally in tournament but I’m sure if situation is present and is able to be done you can get a kill confirm off of it.
Yeah, I was looking through Pyra's data and just saw this: AttackModule::set_add_reaction_frame(ID=0, Frames=40, Unk=false) In layman's terms, her side b is programmed to have 40 frames of hitstun, minimum. Then her up b: AttackModule::set_add_reaction_frame(ID=0, Frames=10, Unk=false) Then Mythra's up b: AttackModule::set_add_reaction_frame(ID=0, Frames=15, Unk=false) That's DLC for you
Its almost as if Pyra *Break* s her opponents defences, then *Topple* s them, *Launch* es them, then *Smash* es em... Pretty sneaky Sakurai, I love it.
I haven't read the thing thing where you specifically said not to hit the subscribe button by a number divisible by 2, so I'll press it a second time! (Don't worry I jest, have great good day also this looks really funny)
I do remember people complaining about the lack of hitstun for characters, should prob add more of it to other characters to make more strings true and create more di mixups. Sure some stuff could get broken but since they know how these modifiers work they could patch out things that become visibly broken at tournament usage. I think the tradeoff for that work would be worth expanded combo variety for the cast.
I was quick to call them "obviously the best character, and most interesting DLC". However, after the 3 day hype, playing them against other characters I realize that the horrible recovery does balance them pretty well. Could still be the best, but not so obviously.
That's actually kinda what they've been doing. A lot of random multihits got hitstun modifiers in the patches, some weaker moves like young link zair too. Even a couple of combo starters like dr. mario dtilt and falcon's raptor boost!
Really great video on this tech, but now I have another concern: how many distinct combinations of characters on the Switch keyboard can spell out "fortnite"???
Throwback to when I thought I was high for putting 25 frames of hitstun on Dedede’s landing Up B stars just to make it safe on hit (and even now it’s like -3)
Also I remember getting home like an hour after the dlc came out and playing some WiFi friendlies and when I got hit by Mythra Up B and realized that was a true combo, my immediate thought was “oh this is gonna be STUPID stupid”
While it's definitely unintentional, it actually has some similarities to the concept of Art Cancelling in Xenoblade 2/3. Which, as the name implies allows you to cancel an Art's duration on hit to link into another Art, usually a Blade Art (Which is what the Aegis's movesets are entirely based off). I think that's really silly in Smash, but it's neat :)
Fun fact, samus' upair has a NEGATIVE hitstun multiplier on the bottom part of her body, the spot that's supposed to push you into the foot hitbox which is the autolink angle. Because of this, falling downward with samus upair pops the opponent up in a super favorable position for her... but she can't get any move off in time, making it exclusively a read option or resetting neutral kind of poorly. They did this I assume because of smash 4 samus upair being very good at landing and using up b out of it, and they said "lol nope don't want that." I believe it is the only move in the game with a negative hitstun modifier, or if there's more there are VERY few
Hey everyone! Be sure to check out @gakuSSB's wonderful compilation of ridiculous Pyra tech: twitter.com/search?q=from%3Agakussb%20%23ssbu_myran
Also, here's the original Pyra sideB Tweet! twitter.com/gakuSSB/status/1369903422242193408
...and the original Mythra upB Tweet! twitter.com/WDBTHtGP/status/1368717791432425474
*Update: it's been brought to my attention that xRed posted an earlier version of this tech - Gaku just brought it to the ledge & optimized it! Here's the original Tweet, give them a follow: twitter.com/xRed_ssb/status/1369847812771446785
pyra is the better character.
Quick comment regarding pyra's hitstun in specific:
If you can cancel it with a wall, couldn't you cancel it on one of steve's blocks? Could be a fun doubles tech, call it the "DLC Privilege" combo, or at least something that could potentially be used in the matchup against steve in certain situations
Yo that's my life!!
I am.stupid and omfgs was that maple story ?
It fucking is! Omfgs. I need the name of the track they use for the loop please!
Pls don’t let this vid blow up
Of course a shulk main found this.
Exactly what I said to myself when I heard it. Too Shulk mains have astounding l labbing abilities - they have to.
Shulk mains aren't bound by the rules of the game. That's why they can find this stuff
@@sohn7767 insert xbc plot
Both Xenoblade reps
Why?
"That's right, the only way to escape that combo is to knock the controller out of my hands, which I can actually frame trap into a destruction of property lawsuit" Bloody genius! That joke alone guaranteed a like from me.
bro i did not expect that shit , had me laughing out loud
OWAHH XD
@DanGanGalaxy 2 that's a 15.layers deep joke
Enjoy
😂
Leave it to a shulk main to find out new ways to cheat
Hasn’t there been about 8 unique shulk glitches over the course of ultimate?
me as a mii brawler with shulk secondary: >_>
@@lhr9scout10 I like the super sayin one with k rools final smash
@@Luaporleafcutterant That's my second favorite glitch in the game
He's really feeling it
Pyra: Touches Mario one time with her sword
Mario: *has a heart attack*
Well, Jin did kinda give Rex a sort of heart attack for him touching Pyra's sword, so that's perfectly in character.
So turns out what really happens is pyra throws her sword and now that her hands are free she can write Mario's name in the Deathnote.
Smash 64 Hitstun the Character
This aged poorly with Kazuya's EWGF hitstun
Cool. Another character with footstool mechanics.
*I can’t footstool* _on purpose_
then practice until you can!
That's what I used to think too, but with just 10-15 minutes of practice, you can get the gist of it
I would recommend practicing then cus pyra side B footstool combos are FUN to land when fighting heavys.
Sup Robert
"If it looks stupid, I'm a fan"
That one-liner should be iconic
Somehow I read this comment in my head at almost the exact time he said this in the video.
I'd rather be an air conditioner.
Well, that’s not even what he said.
“The stupider a technique looks, the more I like it.”
I definitely felt it was really weird how Mythra's up b was a true combo, so seeing that mechanic get applied in a semi-practical manner like this is hysterical lmfao
DLC privilege is crazy
Hey look it's the PkBeats guy. Hello there.
Holy shit PKBeats from TH-cam.com!! Hi!!
DLC: Definitely Lots (of) Cheese
Deliberately Large Cheese
"I can frametrap into a *Destruction of property lawsuit* ."
Sir I've been laid out.
a true combo where they VISIBLY STAND THERE
for people who don't look at the replies like Jason M, I understand it's a true combo. I am simply pointing out that it looks off.
Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing
You clearly did not watch entire video.
Gorilla glue hitstun
@@jackwei7785 what do you mean? i did watch the whole video, and i was talking about 4:15.
@@supremechaosbeing2696 It literally combos on the combo meter. He explains that the additional hitstun added to the moves prevent the opponent from acting even when they should be able to.
I feel like this character has some of the nastiest frame data in ultimate I can't believe they gave us Byleth and Sephiroth and then gave us Pyra
Are you implying Pyra has good frame data? because lol. Even Mythra's frame data ain't that great other than ground moves.
Mythra seems way better than Pyra.
@@superal68 People usually mean both characters when they talk about "Pyra". Unless you just want to hear cursed words like Pythra or Myra to refer to both characters.
@@mathunit1 pythra
@1998SIMOMEGA you mean to say ganondorf isnt rule 34 ready?
FINALLY SOMEONE IS TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH HITSTUN IS ON PYRAS SIDE B AND MYTHRAS UP B
"If it looks stupid, I like it more." I'm with you there bro
*”The stupider a technique looks, the more I like it.”
Me, a Ganondorf main who needs 6 frames to wind up a jab attack with mediocre hitstun:
"God I wish that were me"
But at least you can stomp and freeze them for the rest of their natural lifespan.
Pyra legit just being better gannondorf:
This character is funky af. Hate em, but i love em.
"multihits that need to work properly"
*shows jr downtilt*
I always wondered why when I got hit by Pyra Side-B, it felt like my controller died.
3:30
Mario's just standing there having a fucking stroke lmaaooo
I don't know how many people are here to implement this move for their benefit, but I appreciate you making this so I can know to avoid this at all costs
Perfect to pull out against a friend that mildly rages when jigglypuff drill rest is hit and kills early... I want to see him ragequit
“Which I can frame trap into a destruction of property lawsuit”
After I watched this video, I saw that one of the suggested video tags is “Bayonetta” 🤔
WhyDo, found your channel around a month ago and I love your content! They have a lot of effort in them and I can tell you are a quality TH-camr!
Yoo, really happy to hear it! Thanks for supporting me on my TH-cam™ Journey™!
@@WhyDo No problem! Keep up the good work!
If Pyra side B cancels when it hits a wall, could a Pyra+Steve team infinite 2 people at once then?
Pretty sure her side b would break blocs Maubeuge not iron tough
@@robinlefebvre4816 good point
@@robinlefebvre4816 I tried it, and you might be able to place another block once pyra breaks it, so I think this might work
Wot that looks so whack I love it
“Which I can frame trap on reaction... to a destruction of property lawsuit”
😂😂 I’m dead
Can't spell DLC without the Ls they hand out like hot dogs in a baseball game.
D elivering
L osses
C asually
As a piranha plant main, the term "DLC privilege" has a painful sting :(
They'll probably fix this so that the modifier is nullified when the opponent touches the ground, but that still leaves a bunch of nutty combos untouched.
Surprsingly (or not), forward air can actually true combo into SideB. Fair has to hit very late.
Hmm that's funny, I'll have to try this. I need to mess with Pyra at low percent more honestly, I'm always just ZOOMING with Mythra!
can't wait to see the shenanigans this character can do when it's developed more
Imagine having hitstun on your up b when you could play Luigi.
"If it looks stupid, im a fan of it". Nice to see some self confidence
This may be the only time goomba stomp would be part of a true combo
I didn't expect a true combo into photon edge to ever exist.
Dang that lawsuit mixup is too op
This is perfect for when your opponent goes critically braindead while hanging from the ledge and picks no options
This. Everyone is out here acting like an opponent wont react to you JUMPING OVER THEM ON LEDGE with any other option then "guess ill die"
HOLY CRAP, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THIS!
I’ve been wondering why the hell I would be standing still during those weird stunlock.
Thank you for explaining. I knew that these specials (mostly pyra side-b) had stupid hitstun but I didn't think to try to combo out of them. They went super overboard though.
Finally, I can combo into warlock punch
thank you for teaching me more about hitstun. i've mained pretty much nothing but mythra/pyra since her release and im on a break rn. so this was pretty cool. nice combo
"Frame trap into a destruction of property lawsuit." You forget the mixup options of either disconnecting the controller via the cords or detaching the switch from the dock, thus removing your visual aid.
Mario: Wahoo!
*After getting hit by Blazing Edge, causing him to die for exactly one second*
Mario: Mama Mia...
1:55 a man with a haku profile picture? A man of class, that one
3:45 Super Mario Cardiac Arrest
I knew there was something off with their specials, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Until now, thanks for sharing!
Me who doesn't own a switch:
Interesting
This was me a while ago, dont give up buddy!
@@stomnenth Thanks bud I'm still trying to save as much money probably about the end of the year I'll get one
Wow, a new Smash 64 character.
Okay that intro sealed my fate of watching this video to the end
The hitstun that lasts for Aegis
This was painful to read... I LOVE IT
A true combo that gives you a second to scratch your nose in a match.
"destruction of property lawsuit" turn you into a quick 187 case.
Bro the smacking controller out of my hand shit was hilarious
IMO it’s not going to make her a truly broken character, but it’s still way better than it has any right being
More like a slightly less oppressive version of Smash 4 Cloud tbh.
@WILLIAM MOEN niche* but yeah it should be able to be used to 2-frame which would be a pretty broken edgeguarding tool
But in doubles though, goddamn.
She was already broken before this was discovered. WYM? LOL
@Kirby lover Damn bro. Did Pyra and Mythra kill ur parents lol?
pyra side b is the jankiest multihit in this game by far, who tf coded this
Yoooo I knew i could bonk the sword against the wall and not lose it but this is an entire other level! WHAT IN THE WORLD! Pyra seriously might be my new main, I never even learned a footstool combo for Kirby but when I have the time I'm absolutely gonna lab this one out.
As not-terrible as Head-On Assault is, they should definitely give it a hitstun modifier to make it a bit more reliable, so it goes from mediocre to solid. Especially with its annoying competition in Flip Jump.
...Oh, so the side special trick only works if the foe is hanging on ledge? I mean I guess I can practice that later but if that's the case, yeah, prolly not gonna memorize it like I expected to. Might memorize Mythra's version since her whole point is to recover and to KO late so that could actually work out, buuut I dunno, she's a rare sight. Thanks for revealing an important Twitter page, though! And great vid! So Mythra's is the Frozen Mountain Dew, and Pyra's is the Spicy Coca Cola? Are those good names?
Pyra/mythra: jiggle physics, overpowered with broken mechanics, multiple forms, tons of kill moves and kills very early.
Me: So it's basically the definition of fan service
And that's why I'm getting the DLC now
And it's for pedos...
@@ddraven3180 huh?
@@number1sleeper925 the fanservice, the character in general is made for pedos
@@ddraven3180 But they are over 100 years old and they don’t even look like children in the universe of Xenoblade 2.
THAT JOKE AT THE BEGINNING WAS SO BASED I CRIED
mythra and pyra are the edge guarding/trapping masters now
That intro was hilarious 😂. I really enjoyed that
100% agree that this doesn't make them "broken", since these hitstun modifiers only matter when you can cancel a move it's never gonna happen in neutral and only in very specific ledge situations
1:09 XDXDXDXD
Imagine saying that the mechanics of a character are better done because it is a DLC, as if Pyra's UpB don't be make like one of his principal ways to kill, not counting that other characters don't kill with it because the moveset are focused in another way, and putting the Mii as an example, and without having consider characters like Ike or Chrom, that have the same idea.
(The same idea for Mythra, in this case don't kill but the moves are make with concrete ideas).
yes. let's give this character gigantic hitboxes, a fast kill move, a fast move with 54 frames of hitstun that combos into literally anything, a massive spike hitbox, a panic button and a whole extra set of special moves just for shits and giggles.
what you said literally doesn't make sense
@@TempestKrimps Well, me speaking because don’t have makes no sense to say that the UpB is consistent because she is a DLC, and you complaining about the character in general as if he haI said she are amaizing or something, but nevermind. Ok, “gigantic hitboxes””, to start they have swords, that is something, if we compare it with other swords this is smaller than most, Mythra compensates for this an aberrational speed, for combos, Pyra instead puts flames on his attacks, to extend the range, but of course you are a Ganondorf, every time you attack to wait for a day of endlag, you will not tell me that other characters are not like that, Side B of byleth, Cloud Smashses, Bayo Smashes, I think you dilike DK too, literally Smash of Pyra but better ... A fast kill move, well, Mythra of course don’t have this, or you have 180%, or she land on you the Neutral B, of course is you problem, Pyra is clearly once again the stereotype of a slow but strong character, if you see him like that, no problems, you will not complain to me about this, of course, the smashes are not especially slow, until you see how you she fail, and yes, when Up B fails once again you can do whatever you want, the 54 frames no idea what you are talking about, if it is the spike I will touch it now, the Spike of course is incredible, now there are the two glorious situations when you hit someone, when she land the 2 frames, this is no complaint , any other character will punish the 2 frames with their tools to kill, or you throw yourself with your horrible recovery and if you are not a little mac, you do a reverse, it is also normal that she have that powerful and big spike, you only have 3 opcion for edguard, b neutral throwing you, again risking, use a air move, the best is the spike, risky, or side b, the other way would be spike on the ground on combo, which like all the characters do a combo with their spike, Lucas, finish with upair, C. Falcon with frametraps, Falco incredible aerials combos, Marth to upsmash ... “Panic button”, I have no idea what you are talking about, all I think is the Side B of Mythra, the truth is if it is annoying and takes up a lot, but it's just that, annoying, shield and punishment, and now the special, Neutral Bl is not big problem, with Side B you are right, Mythra's is super annoying, and Pyra Side B too, but you are literally left without any way to attack, which is a very high price, and Up B, Mythra is damage, a lot of characters have this, Mario, Cloud ... and if you get creative, you do edguard, but the truth is, there are many better projectiles than this to do that, and Pyra is a Smash, land the first part of the attack? You die, This don’t happen? Use your smash she dies. If you answer me, I hope you take this as a pleasant conversation and not like a discussion.
@@sal_8 first off: you are completely wrong about their swords being "smaller compared to the others". the fact that they even have a sword and fast moves in the first place is already a big advantage that most characters can only dream of having, but when you throw in aerials that can cover every single angle around the character (which, if not counting neutral airs, only shulk and a handful of others can accomplish), that's already a much stronger start than half the cast. second, yes they are gigantic hitboxes. take a look at rekzius' video dissecting them if you want to take a better look. third, 54 frames of hitstun is unheard of, sure it's limited to ledges, but it's still a massively powerful option when you take into account that it combos into any move, such as a combo starter, or a kill move, or even a grab in some cases, and it's an option that a sword character definitely does not need.
also, not only did you miss the point of what i was trying to say, but you also pulled the worst possible examples to combat what i meant. you somehow compared the forward smash of a *_sword character_* to donkey kong's, which can be cancelled out by just poking his hand hurtbox with a move of high enough priority. you also used ganondorf, the prime example of a character that suffers because of endlag, to explain why their moves are "not really that fast".
not to mention the character swapping, it's like pokemon trainer if they had a big disjointed hitbox on every move. struggling to get in? choose mythra, struggling to kill? choose pyra, struggling to play the game? no problem, just wall them out with aerials. it's way too many options for a character that would have already been good enough with half of them.
@@sal_8 bro did you have a stroke writing your comment
Little Mac can actually do the same thing with his upb at ledge. On characters heavier than cloud it true combos into another upb, up air and even sideb. I’ve never seen it done personally in tournament but I’m sure if situation is present and is able to be done you can get a kill confirm off of it.
Like he needs more bullshit.
Alpharad is going to have erectile dysfunction from how much stuff he can do and all the wacky stuff he can do.
Bottle of mountain Dew that's absolutely genius
You, sir, just earned a like and subscribe
Honestly you had me at the lawsuit joke I'm subscribed now
I am 37 seconds into this video and you already earned a sub due to your flawless commentary xD
Imagine if the base characters had the same effort put as the dlc characters
I thought he was going to talk about the jiggle physics
Using the Torigoth Day music as your background music...one of my favorite tracks of XBC2
Yeah, I was looking through Pyra's data and just saw this:
AttackModule::set_add_reaction_frame(ID=0, Frames=40, Unk=false)
In layman's terms, her side b is programmed to have 40 frames of hitstun, minimum.
Then her up b:
AttackModule::set_add_reaction_frame(ID=0, Frames=10, Unk=false)
Then Mythra's up b:
AttackModule::set_add_reaction_frame(ID=0, Frames=15, Unk=false)
That's DLC for you
I can't wait to see this hitstun abused in doubles
Finally getting the subs you deserve! More to come!
I love your rules ayyye ..im.with "jooking" the mechanics
0:16 Karens when you draw on the sidewalk with chalk
They give Pyra and Mythra this stuff and some characters still have useless moves.
Some characters are useless as a whole
Air mac
Yoshi side b
well to be fair, pyra have prominence revolt which is useless
@@victorpena8356 probably the worst move in the game as a whole. I mean, what do you use it for?
omg the maplestory music at the end hit hard
Its almost as if Pyra *Break* s her opponents defences, then *Topple* s them, *Launch* es them, then *Smash* es em... Pretty sneaky Sakurai, I love it.
a year later and the destruction of property lawsuit joke had me dead
As long as an option exists, it causes people to be wary and scared of if, making them do all sorts of crazy shit to avoid it.
So yeah.
I feel like this trick with her sword coming back prematurely would be a decent recovery gimmick. Threaten ledge trap with the sword throw into up B.
I haven't read the thing thing where you specifically said not to hit the subscribe button by a number divisible by 2, so I'll press it a second time! (Don't worry I jest, have great good day also this looks really funny)
One whole fuckin second of hitstun. Aight.
God I love playing these characters
I do remember people complaining about the lack of hitstun for characters, should prob add more of it to other characters to make more strings true and create more di mixups. Sure some stuff could get broken but since they know how these modifiers work they could patch out things that become visibly broken at tournament usage. I think the tradeoff for that work would be worth expanded combo variety for the cast.
If this means we finally have a good DLC character on the tier list I'm all for it.
"if it looks stupid, im a fan"
well you did win a tournament as Guy Fieri
Honestly wish more characters had cool tech like this
Which I can frame trap on reaction to a destruction of property lawsuit
Got me good
The question is, is that enough hitstun to change characters, and if so just how stupid can this get
I was quick to call them "obviously the best character, and most interesting DLC". However, after the 3 day hype, playing them against other characters I realize that the horrible recovery does balance them pretty well. Could still be the best, but not so obviously.
If this ever gets patched, I hope they go the complete opposite direction and make every multihit move work like that
That's actually kinda what they've been doing. A lot of random multihits got hitstun modifiers in the patches, some weaker moves like young link zair too. Even a couple of combo starters like dr. mario dtilt and falcon's raptor boost!
Really great video on this tech, but now I have another concern: how many distinct combinations of characters on the Switch keyboard can spell out "fortnite"???
Throwback to when I thought I was high for putting 25 frames of hitstun on Dedede’s landing Up B stars just to make it safe on hit (and even now it’s like -3)
Also I remember getting home like an hour after the dlc came out and playing some WiFi friendlies and when I got hit by Mythra Up B and realized that was a true combo, my immediate thought was “oh this is gonna be STUPID stupid”
While it's definitely unintentional, it actually has some similarities to the concept of Art Cancelling in Xenoblade 2/3. Which, as the name implies allows you to cancel an Art's duration on hit to link into another Art, usually a Blade Art (Which is what the Aegis's movesets are entirely based off).
I think that's really silly in Smash, but it's neat :)
Fun fact, samus' upair has a NEGATIVE hitstun multiplier on the bottom part of her body, the spot that's supposed to push you into the foot hitbox which is the autolink angle. Because of this, falling downward with samus upair pops the opponent up in a super favorable position for her... but she can't get any move off in time, making it exclusively a read option or resetting neutral kind of poorly. They did this I assume because of smash 4 samus upair being very good at landing and using up b out of it, and they said "lol nope don't want that." I believe it is the only move in the game with a negative hitstun modifier, or if there's more there are VERY few
Thanks for sharing, that's so wack LOL. Such an oddly specific thing to nerf.
halfway through and I noticed your name
Finally, a way to cheese people on ledge with Pyra.
Bruh just dash back fsmash 😂