@@Mad_scientist_huburis Yes….there is an actual cult in Russia that worships her. And much like the Snapewives it’s partially because she their “waifu” so to speak, although I haven’t found anything on how sexual it went
4:42 I love how this feels like internet archaeology. "We don't know what they called themselves in their own language, but contemporaneous cultures knew them as 'Snapewives'."
same and I am far from sane but like I have some weird kind of abstract awe for the level of reality distortion and the power of the coping mechanisms, that the thread of sanity I hold on to and prevents this kind of dissociation feels burdensome, as you say
@@joleneonyoutube same, all this childhood trauma and i still can't dissociate hard enough to marry a jkr character and copulate with them on the astral plane. the threads are thin but at least they're there.
god, me too. i have plenty of fictional husbands but sadly i don’t have the capability to dissociate to the point where i truly believe they’re real and that we’re married 😣
Hell, I am one lol. I just think they don't find the real ones appealing and as simping worthy as a character they know all story of and can symphatize and project onto
Imagine being the husband of one of these women and slowly realizing that her obsession with Snape isn't just weird, but is getting *religious,* and then realizing **you're stuck here**
Honestly, I think this is obviously a little questionable about whether it's healthy and certainly not factual, but my mom got heavy duty into evangelical Christianity in *her* 40s, so you can really do worse. Now that I'm in my 40s, I don't think I'm inclined to go religious, but I think I feel more able to have pretendy fun on the internet without needing to make it Seriously Meaningful, which helps.
@@raydgreenwald7788 Why does it always have to be a competition between gross people and other gross people? Even in the video, Teya compares these people to sports bros, saying she would party with the Snape wives long before she would party with sportsers. You don't have to party with either of these people. You can shun sportsers and nazi sympathizers in equal measure. Imagine someone trying to defend frat douche's hazing behaviors with "well, at least they're not mass murderers. I would way rather party with frat bros than a school shooter or a car bomber." I encourage you to consider that you can just hate them all.
There is so much here to boggle the mind, but the standout for me is why anyone would think "Snapists" sounds better than the wonderfully druidic "Snape Wives."
It makes me think of that Whitest Kids U Know sketch with the grape soda mascot, The Grapist. But these people actually went with the ridiculous comedy concept for real. Humans are fascinating.
I think it's fascinating how, even as these women were founding a new religion, they were carrying into it the baggage of existing cultures and religions. They formed a community entirely of women, and yet they carried into it patriarchal and monogamist expectations and roles when there was no corporeal man to benefit from their subservience and insecurity. It's like they built a new cage for themselves based on the ones they knew, and there was no warden but themselves, and yet they didn't even make the cage a little more comfortable by allowing themselves guilt-free crushes
Somewhere out there Ms. Scribe's adult daughter will eventually learn that her mom tore apart the Harry Potter fan fiction culture and was the undisputed queen of sock puppet drama of early 00's message boards.
I'm laughing at the idea of this poor womans husband pulling out all the stops in bed, and her being like "oh that could NEVER be my husband, he's been taken over by Snape, my husband could NEVER do anything like that"
SNAPE WIDOWER: I know how to break her obsession with Snape! I will be porn incarnate! I will be an inexhaustible font of pleasure! SNAPEWIFE: My husband isn’t this good in bed! He’s possessed by Snape!
I had the beautiful privilege of quoting the Regina George of Snape Erotica to a discord server and it fueled me for weeks. I come back to this video when I need a laugh on the way she phrases stuff
Long before the Snapewives, this happened with Jareth from Labyrinth on two email lists in the 1990s, Labyfic and LabyficRP. Two women were spiritually married to Jareth and would argue over which one was his REAL wife, with one demanding that any fic featuring Jareth had to feature her, his queen, as a character or else she would throw the most ungodly, weird tantrums.
And also while I don’t think it’s like “wrong” to have a thing for Jareth (I mean I’d be a hypocrite in that aspect 😏), at the end of the day it’s kind of ironic considering Sarah in the movie rejects his temptation since in the sort of adolescence metaphor it’s her maturing enough to realize that kind of fantasy isn’t what she should aspire to. Granted before you take me out of context, I’m not one of those assholes that’s worships “maturity/adulthood” I kind of interpret the ending as Sarah letting the fantasy element in a little bit but now she’s at least had the coming of age narrative to achieve balance, I’m just saying the media literacy doesn’t seem to be particularly high with this example
Holy crap I had never heard of this one! I was in original Final Fantasy 7 fandom and saw posts by The Woman That Married Sephiroth On The Astral Plane back in the late 90s though. (I remember the Darth Maul Estrogen Brigade being featured on the news, though. I don't know that anyone there was Getting Married On The Astral Plane but it was a big enough fangroup to generate attention.)
Snape didn't call Lily a slur because she was going out with James, he called her a slur 2 years before she went out with James after she stood up for him and yelled at James for bullying him. Before that, he and Lily had already been fighting for a while over the fact that Snape kept hanging out with other would-be death eaters, and this was the final straw that ended their friendship. Even before they went to Hogwarts, Sirius says that Snape came in already obsessed with the dark arts and when Lily asks him if it matters that her parents aren't wizards, he hesitates before saying no. Snape doesn't turn to the dark side because Lily rejected him, if anything, she rejected him because he turned to the dark side. Which is not to say that it would be Lily's fault if he did, obviously it isn't, but I really don't see how anyone could read Lily as the bad guy here.
I mean yeah. That’s what his arc is all about. True he was abused as a child, and true he was in Slyhterine at a bad time, with people from his own house also victimizing him, but ultimately he is the cause of his own misery. He drove his only friend away, he chose to nurture resentment against James, and to lose himself in the dark arts, and eventually delivering the intel that got Lilly and her family killed. Part of his character, and what is a real caution to the reader is how his resentment caused him to hurt others, and in turn himself. He stands as a mirror to Harry who was also neglected and abused, but who reached out to find friends. Harry rejected Draco as a Friend even before Hogwarts because he was mean and talked badly about other people. Harry has shown he can forgive people, and as a result he is happier, and his mercy has ended up coming back around to save him later. Naming his child after Snape isn’t the redemption of Snape as much as it’s showing the strength of forgiveness that Harry has. The empathy, and understanding, that but for a few choices Harry could be in the same place. It’s also about healing the rift between the people of the wizarding world, which was split and hurting from the first war. A promis that this time they will do better. The idea that Lilly somehow could have prevented any of this all by herself is so dumb.
@@emmas.m Snape fans specialize in victim blaming; since he was a victim to the Marauders he could never victimize anyone else. So whatever happened to Lily, his students, his coworkers etc was not his fault and he did nothing wrong.
important confession: my mom was one of these snape appreciators in like....2009 maybe....she wrote nsfw snape fanfiction and i never knew about it until a few years ago when i was checking her email for her and saw some recent comment on an old fanfiction in her email feed💀 she wasnt popular or anything just some mid 40s lady writing harry potter fanfic like thousands of others but damn finding that was lifechanging
@@MuntsonWeekdays there definitely were, i remember she wrote long form stuff but i could not handle going in and reading it😭 wish i remembered the name or could ask her bc now i'm kinda interested
the way this would be a common occurance to the current generation's children in the near future only that the child would be finding a 63 chapter, gut-wrenching Larry smut from AO3
It's incredible with the Conchita stuff how the sneligion (Snape religion) independently evolved a snatholic (Snape Catholic) and snotestant (Snape Protestant) schism, complete with it's own snartin snuther (Snape Martin Snape Luther) figure
The idea that the centuries of arguing over which version of Christianity is correct and fandom discourse both boil down to the human tendency to think your interpretation is right and the other guy is a moron just hit me like a semi truck full of bricks.
YES!!! The amount of arguing that would have occurred between them and people in the marauders fandom- shifting would definitely be a big part of their religious practices and if you couldn’t do it well you weren’t doing it right and snape is mad
it has and is still going. theres a whole shift community. i dont know where it went as ive deleted my account but with tiktok, instead of snape, they attached themselves to malfoy. insane
Love the fact that I can ask people “what do Severus Snape and Gadget from Chip and Dale have in common” and the answer would be: a literal cult following
@@insertnamehere6227 I’ve heard that her 4chan following was upset that she married the fly character bc in their minds she is a pure and innocent figure or something. Also the fly was voiced by a black man so you know they had something to say about that😅
@@sugar-rice No one thought she was particularly pure or anything. It was a kids show. Aside from deviants making furry porn, no one was thinking anything particularly sexual. Because its a kids show. Then the movie goes "Btw she basically ****** her dog, except her dog is a fly, repeaedly, over and over again and had dozens of weird chipmunk fly maggot babies", in a kids show. Out of nowhere. Seemingly purely for the negative press. If you can't see why this is weird without thinking it comes down to 'purity symbolism' or 'his voice actors color', I don't know what to say to you. I sincerely doubt 99% even knew or cared he was black. I didn't. Who stops watching a movie to google voice actor ethinicity?
Even as a Snape "fan" growing up, I've always been like "oh this character did not unravel the way I expected him to" and never did I once think "I'd love to marry someone who is obsessive and uses his obsessions as an excuse to abuse children".
I liked Snape because of Alan Rickman and the movies. However, I was able to figure out he was a "good guy" by his reactions to Harry being bullied in the mind battles (I forget what they called their Chi Battles)
i love the consistently observable phenomenon of "if you leave a group of people alone they will spontaneously form a religious framework and burn through it without prompting"
Imagine being an academic and saying "I'm going to write a paper on the Snape Wives" Imagine being that same academic, going to your peers and asking them to review your paper on the Snape Wives. Imagine being an academic and being asked to review a paper on the Snape Wives. idk the whole situation is just so wild to me
I promise being me is generally pretty boring! I didn’t get to pick the reviewers myself because they had to be anonymous. But I could work out who a few of them were - including one poor person who also had to real my paper on Momo.
@@ekuude”can be” because they lowkey formed a religion and there’s no saying that there won’t be future groups like them that will form seeing the stage of social media
@@Ca11mewhatever no sorry, I agree with you. I was just saying that this is literally how real world religions were formed and how some religious people act
@@Ca11mewhateverIt makes me wonder if that's how *all* religions were formed, ngl. Well... some of them probably also involved drugs. But seriously, a lot of religious metaphysics sounds straight up like facets of psychosis. Stuff like "possessions" sounds exactly like the kind of paranoid delusions people can have about other people they know having been "replaced" with perfect lookalikes.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302just a bunch of people with shared psychosis and delusions forming religion. That's why I'm no longer religious. But my parents are fanatics of it and they seem schizophrenic when it comes to religion
Ok, but... Snape isn't "borderline" abusive, he's just full-on abusive. He bullied children, he threatened the life of one of their pets, ridiculed Hermione when she was under the effect of a spell and desperately needed medical attention, and was committed to sentence an innocent man to a fate worse than death over their bad history. What books have those Snape simps been reading to perceive him as an appealing brooding bad boy with a heart of gold?
Well obviously that was JK Rowling’s unreliable narration s/. Though I do think it’s notable that that quote from a snapewife said that she understood him because she also had an abusive childhood, and that they sort of congratulated themselves on being able to “withstand his temper” so I think there’s possibly an element of trauma/normalized abuse leaking in from their own pasts at play here, which is sad. They may not have considered that an especially abnormal or unjustifiable way for adults to treat children.
Exactly. Snape is a bully, and incel, a racist, and overall an egocentric asshole. JK Rowling is once again at fault for romanticizing him and giving him this anti hero image
@@camille1324 I was going to poke fun with a comment about nutty people not needing a reason to do nutty things. Then saw your comment and yeah, it's actually pretty profound how that community decided to connect with this character. It's just very sad when you think about it.
I never was a Snape wife and never liked him as a character because he's a pathetic little man and I don't vibe with those. But in the early 2010s I wanted to join a text based rp community and rp as someone interesting. I had my eyes on Remus Lupin as any self respecting person with father issues would, but he was already taken. So, I took the one that would be the most fun and challenging: Severus Snape. Game admins wanted to weed out weak players, so they kept making the minimum post length longer, we ended up writing paragraphs and paragraphs just to keep a dialogue going. I dove deep into Snape angst, it was great playing him as I could interact almost with anyone, it was also hard to balance playing an asshole without ruining relationships with other players. I had fans, I had haters, it was awesome. Then I cosplayed Snape and started really living with it. I became a Snape connoisseur. I didn't like him or found him hot, but I loved him as an actor loves his part or as one might love a character they deeply understand, but in a bad way. So, yeah, I'm ready to watch this video and die a thousand deaths.
You gave me so many Proboards and vBulletin flashbacks. Used to love text Harry Potter RP on those kinds of forums. Never got into the Tumblr and Instagram RP, much preferred the old style how you were basically writing novels back and forth with your friends.
i think its interesting that that one woman says "As someone who comes from an abusive household as well, you can either continue the cycle or do what you can to break it" except that. Snape didnt break it? he did continue the cycle? he was very abusive to his students? literally he threatened to kill eleven or twelve year old Neville's pet just bc he could. Snape literally is a racist and abusive bully.
@@causticwit Adding fuel to the fire, it was also noted that before Neville entered Hogwarts, his relatives put him in life threatening situations every other day. The fact that he's scared of Snape even more says something.
If you look into women who fall in love with actual serial killers, many of them were abused previously, sometimes horrifically. The best theory I’ve heard about that is that they’re “in love” with an incredibly dangerous man who can’t hurt them (because they’re either in prison or dead) so it’s safe to idealize them. Snape is one step better because he never existed at all.
Snape as alpha? He spends his life being bullied by rich kids, exploited by rich kids, enslaved by the Dark Lord, forced into a job he hates so he can spy for Dumbledore, tortured and used by the Dark Lord, and then forced to murder Dumbledore for political reasons, regardless of his own wishes. All while taking his impotent rage out on small children. That these women perceive him as alpha tells me they see themselves as the children... i.e. the only characters he actually has power over.
Wait, huh. Snape abuses his teaching position (and his students) because he lacks power and autonomy anywhere else in his life? I hadn't thought about it that way. He really is a bully, plain and simple.
Yeah I heard about the self-shipping thing (nothing wrong with that part in moderation) and maybe the “reality shifting” thing but then I was like “oh….we’re in a cult now….cool I guess?”
I thought she was gonna talk about those silly “reality shifter” people. I mean they think they can marry Draco why wouldn’t a few think they can marry Snape 🤷♀️
i was a huge snape fangirl in like 2014 when i was 12 and i found a website they had and i was so confused and TERRIFIED EDIT: also as a snape fan i just wanna say i'm insanely uncomfortable with other fans' treatment of lily. that girl owed him nothing and was right to cut him off after what he did to her. i do not claim them lmfao.
There's an alternate universe where Conchita split off into her own sect of Snapism (ala Protestant reformation) and the whole religion continued into the modern day, with these two warring factions fueling the whole thing through discourse instead of falling apart. After all, having an enemy to fight against, a FALSE PROPHET no less, could've made people even MORE devoted to Snape. There's another alternate universe where the whole phenomenon was Snape HUSBANDS, but that's almost too powerful to even consider
@@ButterflyScarlet “Not a suitable snubby in the whole lot. Does that fucking twink have a _lightning bolt tattoo_ on his forehead‽” The Alpha Snubby looked over the group of wannabe replacements with sneering contempt. “Severus save me,” he sighed. As he exhaled, he caught a brief glimpse of his reflection in one of the beta snubbys' glasses. The hooked nose, the fleshy jowls, the sad, play-dohy eyes...he was looking more and more like the human actor Alan Rickman each day. He knew his time to find a replacement was running short. Scanning over the young crowd wriggling with anticipation, he breathed another sigh, this one one of determined resignation: one of these boys would have to be the next Alpha Snubby.
When I was a kid, I thought the Valar, the godlike beings from The Silmarillion, were communicating through me. It was very silly, but it did help me to stop self-harming. Specifically Nienna, the Vala of cathartic weeping, was really meaningful to me.
The thing about the Valar is that they're at least set up as godlike beings within a mythological framework for our own world. It makes as much sense as other mythologies, and people tend to use this framework for their own wellbeing rather than for...bullying people on the internet and writing self-insert erotica. 😅
Since the Valar are meant to be basically angels-gods. This would be more like believing that Samwise was talking to you in your dreams, and saying how in love with you he us
as a big lotr fan that made me tear up. I don't judge anyone's fan behavior as long as it isn't hurting ppl (like bullying etc). I think fantasy worlds can be very healing depending on how they are experienced or incorporated into our lives. I often say I'm living hobbit life! that's so beautiful that it helped you. ❤
I always wondered if part of the appeal of Snape wives is how loyal he is to Lily. Snape is the ultimate example of the guy who hates everyone except the woman he loves, the woman he literally lived and died for, the woman who had a son that wasn't his but that he was willing to care (well, make sure he wouldn't die) for. He's basically a gothic romantic hero except middle aged, greasy, and extremely unlikable to the main cast of children. These same behaviors make Snape appear very incel-y (basically stalking a woman for her whole life) but it fits into the romance genre fantasy really well. Women who felt neglected, who always wanted a man to love them in that way would be drawn to any mainstream figure that has the combo of tropes and traits they like best.
It has to be that they want that obsessive love for themselves! :D It's not as if living with him would be pleasant. The descriptions of his home, office and classrooms are all horrifying.. Let's live with the guy who keeps pickled dead stuff everywhere...
I’m not at all a Snape-Liker, but That’d be a plus for me? who wouldn’t want to date someone who keeps jars full of picked organs? The aesthetic would be mindblowing. Maybe it’s down to personal taste.
The best thing about fictional lovers is that they will never hurt you or break your trust! Is that because they have no agency? Yes. Is that a sign of a deeper problem with people? Also yes (probably).
I've always thought about that maybe some ppl just are scared of being abandoned and snape is a character that no matter what never "abandons" the woman he loves
@@miajajajajajajajajajoyeah, I get the feelings their husbands played along with it because they loved them and thought “well she embraces my fetishes, so I’ll do the same.” However, starting to become a polycule probably would have been a step too far.
If I had a nickle for every time someone had channelled the spirit of a fictional man to have sexual relationships with women in a way that allowed them to validate their identity and desires without, within its own logic, counting as 'homosexual behavior'; I'd have three nickles (the Bit Of Earth cult, if that's what it's called, that one dedicated to The Hobbit and Lord of The Rings books; the SnapeWives; and that one nun that claimed to have married Jesus Christ and that he possessed her)
@@miajajajajajajajajajo4 nickels, which still isn't a lot, but it's even weirder it happened 4 times. (Referring to the Jareth cult in the Labyrinth fandom that precursored Snapewives)
I was big into the Harry Potter fandom on Livejournal back in the day. I was never involved with the Snapewives, I only knew about them very vaguely, they were considered fringe even in the crazier parts of the fandom but one of my closest internet friends at the time was a woman who literally believed she was Snape. She dressed like him and spoke like him and viewed him as a religious figure who she channeled to become a better person. And honestly, in all my years of being involved with various fandoms, she was one of the nicest people I've ever encountered. Fandom is notoriously overdramatic and toxic, and this woman was the opposite of that despite being very far removed from reality. I hope she's doing well wherever she is.
It's really common among lesbians/trans men to do such things to be with other women in a way their internalized misogyny can tolerate. I hope she's happy, too.
@@RobinTheBot ...I think I know what you mean, but the wording here makes it seem like you think trans men are a) "other women" and b) always attracted to women
@@cam4636 Yeah, the implication that trans men are really just women who are suffering with internalized misogyny is a very common TERF take, unfortunately.
I'm glad that you brought up that their image of Snape is specifically the Alan Rickman incarnation of him. I've never seen one of the edits with an illustration from the books. Makes you wonder.
A lot of people were thirsty for Snape Alan Rickman. In some cases though I think the Snapewives used his picture simply because it feels much more real when you're looking at an actual person rather than a drawing, even if you know it's just an actor portraying them. One of the original Snapewives said she had been obsessed with Snape since the year 2000 which was before the release of the first movie. She must have been a...true Snape believer
@@sarahwarnock2707 When i was younger I watched everything he was in. He was in music video or dance video. So sexy. But i just get sad if I watch anything with Alan Rickman in it.
I'll say this about the Snape Wives: They were sexualizing a character who was a grown ass adult instead of the children. 2000's HP fandom scarred kid me fr with how many adults were writing erotica about 13 year olds.
This is the one thing I am an anti about. There’s no reason for adults to be writing anything erotic involving kids under 18. yet “people” get so hurt when you call it out. disgusting. sorry I know this comment is almost a year old but I was inspired.
Well the people obsessed with the child characters were probably also children when the obsession started. Just see how many drarry fanfics that are made nowadays that depict them as adults. The potterheads just grew up.
@@AifosViruset nah dude, there was a shitload of child smut written by adults it was incredibly prolific and you'd be called out a lot less for it back then
I grew up evangelical and way too much of this feels familiar. Being a member that can’t trick yourself into thinking you’re literally hearing the voice of god and feeling like you’re not doing your religion hard enough because of it. Looking to interpret normal occurrences as coming from god. Hell, the church is even supposed to be “the bride of Christ” lol
The whole Snapewife concept is facinating to me because I knew a person that fit the bill perfectly- she wasn't a Snapewife but she would get fixated on a character and then base her whole religion at the time on them. In the time I knew her she went from thinking Khan from Star Trek was her guardian angel watching over her since childhood to being sure that Loki from the Avengers was appearing to her in the form of melted cheese on a burger wrapper. I later learned that before that she was in an astral plane relationship with Jareth from Labyrinth and she would comsummate their love via a homemade sex doll. That person in question was actually pretty awful and manipulative, but people like that in general are goddamn wild. I love hearing about them so much.
One time I had a psychotic break and thought I was fucking widowmaker from overwatch through another persons body. I am not admiring it, can be manipulative too and have a lot of personality issues. I had voices tell me they would dissolve people in acid in hell I kept drinking water, and would hear the sounds in music. I didn’t stop drinking water because I wanted to pretend it wasn’t real, that it couldn’t be possible, because I felt it would happen no matter what. It made me a dark person.
I’m in a long distance relationship, and the way these women write about an entirely fictional character with as much passion and longing as I feel for my girlfriend is the most surreal shit ever.
i knew a Heathenist irl (reconstructed Norse neopagans who worship the quirky gods) who was a Godspouse (astrally married to one of the gods) and was also a "pop culture pagan" who saw her chosen god (Loki) embodied (astrally, through the power of collective belief, like an egregore) by characters like Snape & the Joker, so she was technically indirectly a Snape Wife
Back in the 90s I had a friend who believed she was having a romantic relationship with Trent Reznor on the astral plane. This went far beyond a crush and became a severe mental health issue that required extensive hospitalization. I can't help but see the parallels and wonder if this phenomenon has been going on longer than we thought, but just didn't have the appropriate platform to publicize it (ie the internet). Maybe the Snapewives are just the latest wave of something far bigger.
Jesus. That makes me glad my mental illness is relatively normal. I can't imagine your friends asking you why you had to be hospitalized and you having to go "well, it all started with my astral plane relationship with Trent Reznor..." Just saying it out loud would make me question whether I dreamed it
back in 2016 i had a friend who believed she was danganronpa characters in past lives, and even believed she was dating one of my fictional characters? (i have a bunch that i told and wrote to her about. it devolved into her asking me to write them being together and her doing it herself too. it was weird.) she also ended up going to a mental hospital, though i think it was for bigger, different reasons. it’s insane how frequent this stuff is if you get dragged into looking at it. there’s kinning and people devoting shrines and believing they’re dating fictional characters, getting mad when that character dates someone else constantly on the internet. im glad i don’t know anyone like that now and got out of those circles, though tbh now im worried i’ll attract more crazies if i ever put my stories out into the world loooool
Interesting that Reznor is a similar archetype as Snape too, the sort of brooding sadboy with a dark aesthetic who's been through so many struggles but seems fixable and has a sensitive and delicate side as well. A lot of early NIN has religious motives too, "Sanctified" comes to mind.
My university uses 'Snapewives and Snapeism' as the example text in our referencing guide. It even has quotes from it to show how to do in-text citations. Sometimes life is good.
@@vandypox imagine a distressed uni student that does not understand how to reference come to the realisation that there is an academic text on snape religion. it was confronting (in a weirdly good way)
I had such a weird relationship with Snape's character in high school, I read the books, but I held the movie / fandom interpretation of him in way higher regard and it pretty much replaced the book version in my head. I was totally a person (not in the snape wives community) who thought Lily chose wrong, she should have dated snape, loved all the art of Lily marrying him instead. As an adult I reread the books (before we knew JK was a massive terf) and was so shocked by how utterly horrible Snape was in the books. This man was a child abuser, literally attempted to get Harry to drink poison in class, and literally a wizard na/zi. Any of his redemption scenes were of him still hating other people and non purebloods but being like, I guess I'll do things for Lily's sake and that's it but I'm still racist. Like, she didn't even bother to be like, oh he didn't actually believe any of that, but he has a weird creepy obsession with this woman that he will do certain things for. I still cannot believe how Alan Rickman just injected so much charm into the character that it entirely replaced how I even read the book.
@@thewitchbasket Harry Potter movies weren't a complete flop or mess because someone other than JKR had creative input (even then they still had in alot of the antisemitic, bigoted themes). Fantastic Beasts is what happens when JKR has more impute than she should, and it's just an incoherent, over detailed mess with no continuity.
It's funny because I didn't see the movies until I was a few books into the series. I felt a lot of cognitive dissonance as a kid because I hated Snape in the books but found myself loving his character in the films. It wasn't until I saw Die Hard that I realized that I just really liked Alan Rickman not necessarily the character of Snape. He was fantastic at making unlikable characters likable.
I have known multiple sapphic couples who started out as very intense and sexual roleplay partners for multiple years before they finally accepted they were gay and could fuck as themselves. At least three couples, who do not know each other and are from different places.
This was SUCH a common thing in the 2000s! I knew a couple of Jrock cosplayers (cosplaying Malice Mizer's Mana and Gackt if that tells you anything) and they were in a defacto lesbian relationship BUT only as these very much real life musicians they were roleplaying and cosplaying as. I think the Gackt cosplayer was also possibly transmasc. I hope they're doing well. But oh boy was the 2000s a WILD fucking time to be 15 and in possession of fully unrestricted internet access. Also, i don't want to pretend i wasn't weird af. I was also cosplaying and roleplaying as the musicians of another japanese band (dir en grey) with my defacto girlfriend. But only by pretending to be band members in a gay relationship for some reason. Like. Roleplaying as gay men was ok but being bi or lesbian was "weird". Like. Almost 20 years later i am amazed by the mental gymnastics i was capable of xD
@@erylaria398 I was also in one of those, but in my defense, I was 13. Two of the three other couples I know were in college at the time. I thankfully realized it was okay for me to just be bisexual for real by the time I was 16.
I was part of a Livejournal role playing group where all of us were pretty boys and men from things like CLAMP series, Kingdom Hearts, FFVII, etc and it ALWAYS developed into M/M smut… and I’m pretty sure ALL of us were teenage girls.
Starting at 0:26 those vows got super chilling really quickly. The next minute made me imagine you snapping awake, eyes wide, going "Snape...to the sacrifiicial altar I must go..." and just levitating out of bed while still horizontal and floating out of the room in which you slept. ...I think I need more sleep.
She didn’t even read the whole vow: “I solemnly promise all of this to you, Severus Snape, my only love. May these words create a strong loving bond, which can only be broken by death. If I break the promises made, or treat you not in the manner I should be, I'll make sure I'll die. May all the good forces and spirits bless our love eternally…. So it will be done...”
I think that a huge part of the answer to the "why him??" question here is definitely the Alan Rickman of it all. I don't think he's handsome as Snape, but I can get why other people might feel that way. His voice and all of the good looking normal pictures of Rickman add to it. I think if the movies never got made, this would never have been a thing at all.
That is so true! So...Hear me out...I am a lesbian. However, I went through the most bizarre phase after watching HP. I had developed this obsession with Snape, and then realized that I loved the actor, himself, and I began seeking out any and everything that he played in. I felt like I was in love with the man. It feels so strange to revisit those memories. Perhaps, those inexplicable feelings were simply enhanced with me going through puberty at the time? Haha. Anyway. Big yikes. Imma shut up, now.
"Tanya is the Regina George of Snapewives" is such a goddamn fever dream of a sentence. Edit: "She does not resume her erotic dancing for Snape until her husband leaves for a walk" made my brain hurt. Edit 2: "If your husband doesn't think you're sexy anymore maybe Severus Snape will...on the astral plane" MY SOUL IS LEAVING MY BODY!
I definitely can give the more religious aspect of it the benefit of the doubt- as a kid, I was obsessed with the Warriors books, to the point where as an elementary schooler I 100% believed that I was a cat in a past life, accidentally born into the wrong body as a human, StarClan was real and powerful and they sent me prophetic dreams. Any doubts made me anxious that I was doing something wrong and so I self-reinforced my beliefs. For the SnapeWives, having people around you also claim it's real, that if you try harder you'll get these visions and revelations, be worthy, admired, accepted, etc. is very powerful, so I'm not surprised it got to the fervor that it was. It's so easy to trick your brain (or someone else's) into believing in something.
I mean, kids acting like this isn't really rare or that worrying. Kids do that. But when it's grown adults, who are married and have children themselves, that's the point where they should be... gently nudged towards therapy.
You mentioning Warriors resurfaced a primordial memory for me. I used to pretend to be a fan character named Starlight (don't even get me started) who was from Starclan, destined to lead Riverclan one day. There were three other cats: Moonsong for Thunderclan, Fallenmoon for Shadowclan, and Firetail for Windclan. I played as this imaginary character with my cousin as a wolf named, cleverly, Wolfy. She was a dire wolf cousin of Star?? Oh, and they both had wings, and Starlight had a unicorn horn and could use magic because the Starclan chosen four were Alicats. I could write a novel on the details of this story. A novel that would be quickly banned from every country for how absurd it is, lmao
I might have nearly died when the erotic dance was brought up. I can't help but imagine George settling in for an afternoon nap, only to be stirred from sleep by the first few notes of Usher's Yeah!. Turning over, he's met with the sight of his wife gyrating aggressively over a dining chair. A closer inspection reveals a picture of Snape taped to the backrest. Looking back, he'd recall this as the moment he realized being married wasn't for him-followed shortly by an admittance that his wife repurposing his office into a shrine for Snape should have been confirmation enough.
Imagine if they made a season 4 of American Gods but instead of focusing on any of the main gods or minor gods it's just a biopic of Snapewives and their history
Shadow meets Snape and he's SO UNCOMFORTABLE with being a god, refuses to discuss his worshippers, joins Wednesday's war in hopes of dying for good this time...
23:19 It just hit me how much this religion resembles early Mormonism. From the discourse about prophets/mediums specifically who they are and are not, the polygamy, disagreement with original text the religion stems from (Joseph Smith made several "corrections" to the king james bible), and the practice of writing new scripture and having revelations from their god.
I remember stumbling onto something similar during quarantine. Basically, Shen from Kung Fu Panda 2 has a small fandom surrounding him called Shenistria. The wiki page for this fandom has since been deleted, so you're really just gonna have to trust my word on this, but I sh*t you not, these people had come up with their own languages and political alignments that existed neither in real life nor any existing piece of media. All for the peacock from Kung Fu Panda. It was wild. The guy who created the fandom still has a TH-cam channel called GreatestShenFan where he makes like, national anthems for the fandom and stuff.
Gotta love extremely small but extremely deep rabbit holes like these. A lot of the more dangerous/risqué parts of these fandoms only come when they get blown out of proportion, reaching people without the initial context. Them staying small makes it more likely that it stays as harmless fun.
imagine talking to someone about how much you both hate jkr and you think you’re on the same page but then they reveal that they only hate her because she ‘misrepresented’ snape
This man outed Lupin as a werewolf out of spite. Chose Lilly over her baby. Destroyed kids with insults to the point of becoming one's boggart. Unforgivable. And I am not even counting joining the death eaters or guilt-tripping Sirius into leaving the safety of his hiding place (who is an adult and should have known better).
@@janerecluse4344 I think too many people confuse Alan Rickman and how calm he is in the films and book Snape who actually acts quite infantile so many times in the books. In the films he acts sharp only when it is that the trio actually could have gotten hurt. If someone watched only the film I doubt they could even understand how much of a bully Snape is. He threatened to poison Nevile's frog. He broke Harry's assignment potion. HE OUTED LUPIN AS A WEREWOLF!!! Leaving someone in such state that based on prejudice they might never again be able to be employed could literally be a death sentence...
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 Yeah, watching people who had actually read the books coo over a sadistic child abuser who should never ever EVER have been employed by a school makes me physically ill. Movie Snape is much more tolerable.
When I was in college, I knew a girl who was unhealthily obsessed with David Bowie (who was still alive at the time), and she was very active in his Tumblr fandom. At some point, one of her friends made up a fictional David Bowie character, who started sending her anonymous affirmations in her inbox, until it escalated to the point where she was convinced that he was not only real but also her boyfriend. Anyway, I can’t believe there are multiple communities of people like this.
That friend did it to cheer up her or just hurt her? Did she had a real boyfriend or she was lonely? Maybe all that David Bowie crush was scapism. I do that. Not in that extreme just crushes or daydreaming
i saw something similar on Tumblr with someone i follow for their writings, someone is sending them anonymous asks pretending to be a character they are extremely attached to and they're answering like "i'll see you soon" and other stuff like that and it's both sad and concerning
“Does this mean Jesus is a polygamist?” is not something I expected to think today, but now I’m wondering it. Thanks, internet. Also for the curious - there’s a cool article called “Fictosexuality, Fictoromance, and Fictophilia: A Qualitative Study of Love and Desire for Fictional Characters” by Veli-Matti Karhulathi and Tanja Valisalo that looks at the uh… more sensible (and common) version of what’s going on here.
IIRC Fictosexual and fictoromantic are on the asexual and aromantic spectrums respectively. However the majority of them I’ve met are nooooowhere near this uhm.. obsessed. Definitely plan on giving that article a read later today to see what it says.
As far back as middle school in 1990 - so as far back as I was writing - I realized that if there was a world-wide culture-stopping catastrophe at that point, a post apocalyptic society hundreds of years later could easily interpret archaeological evidence to mean that our gods were Leonardo, Donatello, Michaelangelo, and Raphael.
When shit hit the fan with jkr and some fans were very disillusioned with her I read an article that got big on twitter from a fan of the book. An open letter to jkr. But the thing is, halfway through the article the author said, unprompted, that one time when she gave birth she found solace in imagining snape was in the room giving her potions to ease her pain. Like, she just dropped that casually like this wasn't a huge tell that she had been a snapewife to everyone reading it. They're still out there. (EDIT: to be clear, I'm not judging that she did that. I'm just saying that she said it like it wasn't a tell lol.)
Not me at the beginning of this video assuming snapewives were just people who were attracted to snape. Oh god the first two minutes really ruined my last speck of hope for humanity
As Death said: HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE. "Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little-" YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES. "So we can believe the big ones?" YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
Even AO3 contains the remnants of self-insert marysue snapewives. The fact that, even with my strong NZ accent, the Google speech-to-text engine picked up on "snapewives" as a word (that I have never used till now) is utterly hilarious and slightly terrifying. Somehow both Samsung and Google know more than I do about niche HP fandom/fanfic/fanfail events I barely know or remember myself. *_Please imagine my haunted expression as I stare into the void_*
I was part of an adult harry potter discord, adult as in SFW just no kids. but what got me was how many women (my age 30+) were referring themselves to Snape's sister wives. I found it odd, and I've never heard about snapewives. I don't think they took it to such a religious fanatic level, however.
I love the idea of people who jokingly calling them and their friends "sister wives", running into actually snapewives and the slow realization that neither are on the same page. lol
From the thumbnail I thought this was gonna be about the "shifting" community on tictok that revolves around (if I understand this properly?) using self hypnosis to "manifest" travelling to an alternate reality where you get to live in your fandom and then eventually travel back to your original reality to recount your story, which you assert to be factually true. I'm 27 and mostly know about this through my boyfriend's sister explaining it to me, so I'm not sure about the scale of this exactly, but it definitely feels like a modern spiritual successor to the snapewives phenomenon.
i hope aeons makes a video about that because it truly was a whole thing on tiktok. also most "shifters" believed you could receive signs from your other realities in your current reality, to the point that some claimed to have vivid visions of, say Harry Potter characters standing in a corner of their room or right in front of them, and they would take that as a good sign. wild stuff.
I was going to say the exact same thing. And this feels a little like a successor even of early 20th century spiritualist movement. Particularly of women seeking power and validation within a community
I mean I expect the weird reality shifting from like teen girls maybe early 20’s because hey we’ve all done cringy things in our past, there’s truth in Turning Red. But I was really surprised to learn they were middle age women, not there’s anything wrong with it in theory but it’s pretty obvious they took their obsession too far. Then again the more I researched turns out reality shifting was always a thing because I was reading a excellent character analysis on Charles Offdensen from Metalocalypse and I got whiplashed when it went into reality shifting like halfway through 😂
To be honest I respect any spiritual and non-spiritual belief (if it doesn't harm anyone). From the creators I've seen and interacted within the Shifting Community, they seem all pretty chill. The community has its more... Toxic sides, but I guess is a curse of every community lol.
Id respect it if not for the adults telling teens that it’s healthy to be that obsessed with “experiencing alternative realities” because a lot of people experienced a lot of dissociative issues because of the trend
During the first two-thirds of this, I kept going "Schism! Schism!" at my screen. Then, when the (spoilers) schism actually happened, I squealed with joy.
I feel really bad for these women. It is hilarious and I find it funny in a similar way men dedicated to their waifus are funny, but it also speaks of a profound romantic loneliness they must have had if they truly attached themselves to Snape as thoroughly as they said.
plus the fact that the two most prominent in their community were married? idk i dont wanna speak on their personal lives in 2007 but it feels like they just didnt get any satisfaction out of their relationships at that time
@@aquabluerose7734 I mean the community, Conchita in particular but the others like Rose as well, had some very femcel-ish stances. And despite hating each other with a passion, incels and femcels are VERY similar, one could say almost identical. As for this little situation in particular, Imagine being the husband of some of these girls and your only value in her eyes is being an object to chanel Snape. Your own sexuality being taken away as belonging to a character of fiction. YOU are not enough. It has an additional layer of very culty codes. Extremely toxic for women on the "lower ranks" of that troup, and for the husbands/boyfriends who lost a partner to it.
@@k.v.7681 I think the reason why femcels and incels are so similar is that they both feel they are owed something romantically (whether it is love or sex) combined with the feeling that they are not "whole" people if they do not have these things. Its why it's so tragic to see people fall into these communities because its very much an inherently dislikeable belief ("I am owed this to the detriment of other people") with a sad and sympathetic core ("I am not a whole person if I am not loved").
Modern religions be WILD, man. Their drama 100% parallels the reasons Christianity separated into so many sects???? Wild Also, I really appreciated the tangent into questioning the tastes and (more or less) harmless activities of women of all ages. Happiness is already hard enough to find in this silly universe
I get what she means, and making fun of people for liking something is pretty stupid. At the same time, starting/joining a delusional cult of any type should probably be discouraged regardless of who's doing it. Even seemingly harmless cults that are centered around popular fictional characters. Ignore one group of people who think they're being spiritually contacted by Severus Snape and it only takes a couple bad turns for them to Heaven's Gate themselves because they saw Snape's Doe patronus in the stars or something.
I dont know man, that one lady psychosexual proyection of Snape into her husband as a vessell during sex (this sentence has never been said before) seems pretty damaging and not at all above critisism
Oh, no - I very much agree that criticism is warranted in these circumstances. But making fun of things solely because girly-types like them is something that is unfortunately extremely normalized, so it's just nice to hear someone talk about it :)
I know fandom has a tendency to twist characters around, but how on earth did these women take the pathetic, abusive sadboy Snape and turn him into this daddy dom bad boy raw force of sexual energy
Personally, I don't see him as pathetic. He was full of love, but he was hurt repeatedly and clung to the only person who showed him kindness. But others lied to him (Lucius and Tom Riddle), and they used him. It's no wonder he was so bitter. Everyone used him, even Dumbledor. And he blamed himself for the murder of his only friend. It's tragic. No, he wasn't perfect, not even close. But there's so much man under all that pain and fear. It's no wonder so many of us feel that if we could just show him love, he would let us in. It's not about changing him, it's about opening him up and tending to his wounds. Plus it doesn't hurt that Alan Rickman is dead sexy.
@@sarahwarnock2707 Idk how to tell you this, but the idea that "uwu if I love him enough, I can fix him!" is absolute bullshit. There is nothing wrong with being kind to someone though, but wtf where in the books does it show that he was oh so full of love? Was it when he called Lily a slur? Was it when he joined the in-universe fascist group after high school because a woman said no to him? Was it when he stepped over her husband's corpse to cradle said woman's dead body after he pretty much got her killed?
22:18 "Someone's pajamas were not sexy enough to attrackt Snape into their dream" is a sentence I didn't expect to hear in my life. And right after a story about imaginary Snape helping a woman roast a turkey...
snapes story could be fixed by taking lily out. snape was bullied viciously by potter and gang, and a kid from a death eater family protected him from bullying and let him join their group. then instead of a gross incel story, it could be a look into how people get into the mindset of thinking these groups are "good" or "right" just because people outside that group are behaving poorly themselves.
It would also mirror how many end up joining things like Nazis and gangs, it starts out small like protection or feeling accepting and suddenly you start believing in what they believe. After a while; even if you disagree or even hate what they are doing, due to the fact that you only know them, you stay because change is scary.
To be fair, Snape actually never confirmed if his love for Lily was romantic, that was just fandom interpretation. In my opinion he just loved her because she was the only kindness he experienced in an otherwise difficult and depressing life. If you look at it in the same way people look at how Sirius loved James, it makes more sense.
I don't think "marginalized people are responsible for their own marginalization by 'behaving poorly'" is the theme you wanna incorporate here. If anything, it's par for the course with the kind of stuff that makes HP so thematically gross
My grandmother is a huge Snape fan, speaks praise, all of this, she said she could ditch everything and everyone to date Snape she would at the speed of light. She had his picture everywhere when possible
I think objectively the funniest thing about the snapewives is how old they were on average. You’d think that this stuff would be like teens or 20 smthns but no. Middle aged moms and people’s grandmas were part of the erotic snape cult
@@Anindeterminateamountofbees I'm actually way more comfortable with this than the student/teacher fanfiction where they are literally MINORS. I think they fancy the movie-style Snape (Alan) and that would be no weird at all considered the age 🤔 It's when I see 13 year olds wanting said character to take their virginity I'm a bit concerned.
Back in high school, my friend group started worshipping the gods of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. We were serious about it too. I have a distinct memory of us all joining hands and praying aloud to Hermaeus Mora the Daedric Prince of knowledge before a pre-calc test. No lie, it was a religious experience, that being the sensation of having the test answers enter my head in a way that felt as if I had no control over it? I even officiated a wedding between a couple of my friends in the name of Mara the Divine of love. I have since discovered that this sort of thing is known as "Pop culture magic/witchcraft"
ah yeah i remember being a teen and wanting to worship the skyrim gods. im glad i matured and changed my mind, no shackles to hold me down, fortunately. kinda cool, something embarrassing i wanted to do as a kid someone actually experienced, just a bit bizarre hah.
This video really has some choice lines 🤣 "Tonya is by far the top bitch when it comes to channeling the spirit of Snape." "For Thanksgiving Snape helps Rose to thaw and tenderize her turkey and gives Tonya inspiration with seasoning." "The physical bodies of these husbands do have benefits." "Tonya's husband offended him by saying he's not real. Now George is not invited to be part of her sexual adventures with Snape." "If your husband doesn't think you're hot anymore, maybe Severus Snape will. On the astral plane." "At some point you've gotta ask yourself, is the Snape cult *really* worth it?"
Snapewives is one of those things that I had heard namedropped a handful of times and brought up in tumblr discussions of times when fandom has gotten truly weird even by, like, tumblr standards, but I don't think anyone had ever actually properly explained it to me, and holy shit Just what the absolute fuck?
Man I was never in the Harry Potter circles, but I had friends who were and watched a lot of this unfold in real time. MsScribe might be fun to look into, as it is not as buckwild as SnapeWives in like a "we started a cult around romancing Snape" kind of way, but is an ABSOLUTELY wild tale of one woman driving the course of the HP fanfic community into the ground and basically changed the entire landscape of fanfiction in general in the 2000's. Like I said, I was not in the HP fandom, but it's ripples were felt all through out Livejournal and FFnet
I crumple to the floor thinking how easily and how fast I was sucked into being a snapewife. I was one at the final screening. And then 4 years later I reread HP and had a crisis of faith that led me to be like 'Bye Snape, bye JK'
Idk what it was. I never liked snape but as soon as an unrequited love story was introduced I was HOOOOKED. Line and sinker included. Ugh I'm disgusted with myself. Like, baby girl while you may be 17 this isn't it. Get. Better. Idols.
@@MellSayzHi don't be disgusted with yourself. Be compassionate with the teenager that wasn't yet old enough to understand how society glorifies abusive relationships. The founders of this religion were middle-aged women who were willing to throw away their lives over a fictional character, and even if he was somehow real, an a******. We all do fabulously cringe-tastic stuff (like use the words fabulously cringe-tastic) and you at least had the excuse that your brain was still forming. You are now mature enough to realize what you were caught up in. Meanwhile, there are probably women twice your age still out there building a shrine to Snape like Helga did to Arnold in hey Arnold. It doesn't matter whether the relationship you are forming is one with a deity, a fictional character, or a garden variety human. You have to look at the relationship and the effect that it has on your life. It sounds like you were able to do that and decide to give it up. Good for you :-)
@@vlatstrapes3931 If she was 17 at the time I don't know if it fully counts. That's too young to be anyone's wife and we all did ridiculous fandom stuff at some point as kids and believed in stupid shit. It sounds like the main people behind the Snapewives were grown women who were more than old enough to know better
@@nowandaround312 what do you mean she was too young to be anyone's wife? I'm pretty sure snapewives have their own rules of what counts and what doesn't and in some places you can get officialy married way younger than 17.
this is so random but when you mentioned 50 shades of grey i thought of it- i was like 11 when that book came out and i was obsessed with the color grey and i heard my stepmom and stepsister mention the book and got excited because i literally thought it was just something to do with 50 different shades of the color grey
None of you will be laughing when the Snapture happens and you're left behind with Harry
God, please! Not _Harry!_
SNAPTURE💀
my timbers have been thoroughly shivered
Good thing I joined the SNURCH in preparation.
But according to Snevelations, the Snurch takes all.
The amount of willpower it probably took to not name this video “Snapewives And Their Snapelives”
The Snapewive's Lives Of LiveJournal
The Snepford Wives
snesperate housewives
The Real Snapewives of LiveJournal
Like sands through an hourglass, these are the Snapes of our Lives.
The fact that a fictional character was able to lead a cult without even physically existing shows you the power and weakness of the human mind
Oh have you heard about the Gadget cult in Russia? 😂
@SiRenfield Gadget as in the rat from chip n dale?
Creativity is a double-edged sword.
@@Mad_scientist_huburis yes.
@@Mad_scientist_huburis Yes….there is an actual cult in Russia that worships her. And much like the Snapewives it’s partially because she their “waifu” so to speak, although I haven’t found anything on how sexual it went
This just goes to show that not everyone peaks in their 20s. These ladies were living their best lives in their 40s.
Worshipping a religon based on the fictional character in the book series that you believe to be real is your idea of best life?
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 Better than marrying a deadbeat drunk I guess
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457y opinions are not universal, and neither are yours lmao
@@elliewellie_TH-cam Of course, it isn't, when have I claimed otherwise.
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 it was a joke 😂😂
4:42 I love how this feels like internet archaeology. "We don't know what they called themselves in their own language, but contemporaneous cultures knew them as 'Snapewives'."
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Aliens will have FUN checking out our culture…
Early Internet is really gonna be the future subject of Archeology...
Why did I read this in the ancient aliens narrator voice?
@@windowcreeperbird9669 "To communicate with telepathy to his adepts, Snape must have been an alien."
I do have to wonder if they ever collected together their writings about Snape into some sort of religious compendium, a Snospel if you will-
Delete this comment right now
Snurch (snape church)
*Screams*
@@gregjayonnaise8314 you mean Snreams
Please open your Snospels to chapter 4, verse 15: the letter of Severus to the Malfoys.
God I wish I could dissociate hard enough to legitimately believe I was married to a fiction character. I feel burdened with normalcy
same and I am far from sane but like I have some weird kind of abstract awe for the level of reality distortion and the power of the coping mechanisms, that the thread of sanity I hold on to and prevents this kind of dissociation feels burdensome, as you say
reality is a prison of tormentous normalcy. Oh to be so free from its oppressive mundanity as these loopy women
@@joleneonyoutube same, all this childhood trauma and i still can't dissociate hard enough to marry a jkr character and copulate with them on the astral plane. the threads are thin but at least they're there.
god, me too. i have plenty of fictional husbands but sadly i don’t have the capability to dissociate to the point where i truly believe they’re real and that we’re married 😣
You can get there! With hard work, anything is possible and I believe in you!
Do these girls know how easy it is to find a grumpy emotionally broken man irl
women^^^ they’re 40 plus.
Lmao, fr
@@juwebles4352 assa dude
Frfr
Hell, I am one lol. I just think they don't find the real ones appealing and as simping worthy as a character they know all story of and can symphatize and project onto
Imagine being the husband of one of these women and slowly realizing that her obsession with Snape isn't just weird, but is getting *religious,* and then realizing **you're stuck here**
imagine being the husband and having to roleplay snape in bed 😭
@@yt_commenter this comment made my face shrivel up into itself. thanks
@@x1390 u don't snapeplay? cringe lol
this sounds like a new arthouse indie horror movie
@@brooke-qk7fg SNAPEPLAY im going to cry
Imagine being a living, breathing 60 year old, who wrote a LiveJournal about how you married Snape in your 40s
Snape is like 40, so it's not as creepy as 14 year old girls
Yeah but mad props if they stayed committed and never dated or married (again) between that time. 🤣
That...sounds uncomfortably close to something my mom would do.
Honestly, I think this is obviously a little questionable about whether it's healthy and certainly not factual, but my mom got heavy duty into evangelical Christianity in *her* 40s, so you can really do worse.
Now that I'm in my 40s, I don't think I'm inclined to go religious, but I think I feel more able to have pretendy fun on the internet without needing to make it Seriously Meaningful, which helps.
@@raydgreenwald7788 Why does it always have to be a competition between gross people and other gross people? Even in the video, Teya compares these people to sports bros, saying she would party with the Snape wives long before she would party with sportsers. You don't have to party with either of these people. You can shun sportsers and nazi sympathizers in equal measure.
Imagine someone trying to defend frat douche's hazing behaviors with "well, at least they're not mass murderers. I would way rather party with frat bros than a school shooter or a car bomber."
I encourage you to consider that you can just hate them all.
honestly the idea of a writer as a scribe for a real being and then betraying them with their writing is a fascinating story concept in an if itself
but how omnipotent is snape if he can be defied
The Satanic (Snapetanic) Verses?
unreliable narrator, but not for any of the usual reasons
@@catfan913 I mean, there's omnipotent and then there's just controlling...
This is basically the position of the liberal branch of any religion.
There is so much here to boggle the mind, but the standout for me is why anyone would think "Snapists" sounds better than the wonderfully druidic "Snape Wives."
It makes me think of that Whitest Kids U Know sketch with the grape soda mascot, The Grapist. But these people actually went with the ridiculous comedy concept for real. Humans are fascinating.
Take the Sn from the snapist and replace it with R.
@@diehounderdoggenalt"he said he's going to what them?"
@@Ironbattlemacethat is literally the point of the comment you replied to
"Snapist" has the religious sound to it. "Snapism"
I think it's fascinating how, even as these women were founding a new religion, they were carrying into it the baggage of existing cultures and religions. They formed a community entirely of women, and yet they carried into it patriarchal and monogamist expectations and roles when there was no corporeal man to benefit from their subservience and insecurity. It's like they built a new cage for themselves based on the ones they knew, and there was no warden but themselves, and yet they didn't even make the cage a little more comfortable by allowing themselves guilt-free crushes
This is so profound lol
I was thinking the exact same thing. If there's any proof of internalized misogyny, this is a prime example funnily enough.
foucault would be proud
So what you're saying is they built their own Panopticon
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Imagine your mom being one of the snapewives and having snape be the reason for your parents divorce
I would use to as a party story for sure and use humor as my therapy for dealing with that!
Or, let's be honest, the reason for your conception.
then your own kid decades later discovers HP novels and becomes a fan....
Somewhere out there Ms. Scribe's adult daughter will eventually learn that her mom tore apart the Harry Potter fan fiction culture and was the undisputed queen of sock puppet drama of early 00's message boards.
honestly iconic mom behaviour
I'm laughing at the idea of this poor womans husband pulling out all the stops in bed, and her being like "oh that could NEVER be my husband, he's been taken over by Snape, my husband could NEVER do anything like that"
SNAPE WIDOWER: I know how to break her obsession with Snape! I will be porn incarnate! I will be an inexhaustible font of pleasure!
SNAPEWIFE: My husband isn’t this good in bed! He’s possessed by Snape!
I’m facepalming too hard to laugh tbh. That poor man.
When George’s preforming his heart out but she’s still screaming for Severus 💀
Women☕️
yeah buddy i really don’t think that’s the takeaway from this video.
Hearing the phrase "But yes, they were married to Snape on the astral plane" cooked my brain a little.
I had the beautiful privilege of quoting the Regina George of Snape Erotica to a discord server and it fueled me for weeks. I come back to this video when I need a laugh on the way she phrases stuff
This whole incident was just one massive brain fry tbh.
A little?
@@sammieegoldwand Okay a lot. Like at least 62%.
For me it was "snapewives, also known as snapists"
Long before the Snapewives, this happened with Jareth from Labyrinth on two email lists in the 1990s, Labyfic and LabyficRP. Two women were spiritually married to Jareth and would argue over which one was his REAL wife, with one demanding that any fic featuring Jareth had to feature her, his queen, as a character or else she would throw the most ungodly, weird tantrums.
That's hilarious! Internet drama from those early days feels so lost now.
And also while I don’t think it’s like “wrong” to have a thing for Jareth (I mean I’d be a hypocrite in that aspect 😏), at the end of the day it’s kind of ironic considering Sarah in the movie rejects his temptation since in the sort of adolescence metaphor it’s her maturing enough to realize that kind of fantasy isn’t what she should aspire to. Granted before you take me out of context, I’m not one of those assholes that’s worships “maturity/adulthood” I kind of interpret the ending as Sarah letting the fantasy element in a little bit but now she’s at least had the coming of age narrative to achieve balance, I’m just saying the media literacy doesn’t seem to be particularly high with this example
Holy crap I had never heard of this one!
I was in original Final Fantasy 7 fandom and saw posts by The Woman That Married Sephiroth On The Astral Plane back in the late 90s though.
(I remember the Darth Maul Estrogen Brigade being featured on the news, though. I don't know that anyone there was Getting Married On The Astral Plane but it was a big enough fangroup to generate attention.)
this one's understandable
please tell me we also had spockwives on this timeline
"erotic dancing for Snape" is just the most sentence of all time
Is also a death sentenced for us sane people
truly one of the sentences
memetic hazard
It is words that shouldn't
I'm imagining the erotic dancing in What We Do In The Shadows (the movie)
Snape didn't call Lily a slur because she was going out with James, he called her a slur 2 years before she went out with James after she stood up for him and yelled at James for bullying him. Before that, he and Lily had already been fighting for a while over the fact that Snape kept hanging out with other would-be death eaters, and this was the final straw that ended their friendship. Even before they went to Hogwarts, Sirius says that Snape came in already obsessed with the dark arts and when Lily asks him if it matters that her parents aren't wizards, he hesitates before saying no. Snape doesn't turn to the dark side because Lily rejected him, if anything, she rejected him because he turned to the dark side. Which is not to say that it would be Lily's fault if he did, obviously it isn't, but I really don't see how anyone could read Lily as the bad guy here.
THANK YOU! People miss that so much
LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!!! This is the take I was missing!!!!!!
people really need text interpretation classes. Like all people. Ever.
I mean yeah. That’s what his arc is all about. True he was abused as a child, and true he was in Slyhterine at a bad time, with people from his own house also victimizing him, but ultimately he is the cause of his own misery. He drove his only friend away, he chose to nurture resentment against James, and to lose himself in the dark arts, and eventually delivering the intel that got Lilly and her family killed. Part of his character, and what is a real caution to the reader is how his resentment caused him to hurt others, and in turn himself. He stands as a mirror to Harry who was also neglected and abused, but who reached out to find friends. Harry rejected Draco as a Friend even before Hogwarts because he was mean and talked badly about other people. Harry has shown he can forgive people, and as a result he is happier, and his mercy has ended up coming back around to save him later. Naming his child after Snape isn’t the redemption of Snape as much as it’s showing the strength of forgiveness that Harry has. The empathy, and understanding, that but for a few choices Harry could be in the same place. It’s also about healing the rift between the people of the wizarding world, which was split and hurting from the first war. A promis that this time they will do better.
The idea that Lilly somehow could have prevented any of this all by herself is so dumb.
Yeah. And the fact that people think that Lily could have done something is just stupid. Like, that's low key victim blaming there.
@@emmas.m Snape fans specialize in victim blaming; since he was a victim to the Marauders he could never victimize anyone else. So whatever happened to Lily, his students, his coworkers etc was not his fault and he did nothing wrong.
Honestly, the idea of a being or force that possesses an artist in order to force themselves into existence is pretty rad. Very Stephen King.
@cosmicpigeonjanitor7939 You’re speaking of the King in yellow, he whose name none shall speak
here comes the walkin’ dude
it's not a terrible idea, but it also isn't original, and… christ, if you _were_ a deity, why would you ever pick _j.k. rowling_ to be your writer?
@@soupalexwell, if Jesus Christ did it, why not Snape?, and yeah, J.K. wasn't the best option considering she betrayed Him, allegedly
This is the plot of Wes Craven's New Nightmare and it is rad
this video made me realise that 'snape' is an incredibly funny collection of sounds and it deserves the morbius treatment
What is morbius treatment?
Stand back! I am beginning to snape!
I loved it when he said “it’s snaping time!” and proceeded to snape all over the bad guys
snorbius
Snape. Snape. Severus Snape. Dumbledore! Snape. Snape. Severus Snape. Dumbledore! ⏰
Your thumbnails and titles invoke a visceral fear and sadness in the pits of my soul, like I've heard a lover's name from a past life
I saw this thumbnail and it brought me ptsd flashbacks from my tumblr era. thank u from the depths of my heart for this video
Was that love Snape?
Poetic
It’s kinda the opposite for me
snapewives was like the predecessor to draco malfoy reality shifters
Omg ur onto smth
there are WHAT
That sounds fascinating and horrifying all at once.
@@Tareltonlives in 2020 people ‘shifted realities’ to the harry potter universe so they could date draco malfoy
@@gloomybear.420 I'm not surprised. Just dissappointed
important confession: my mom was one of these snape appreciators in like....2009 maybe....she wrote nsfw snape fanfiction and i never knew about it until a few years ago when i was checking her email for her and saw some recent comment on an old fanfiction in her email feed💀 she wasnt popular or anything just some mid 40s lady writing harry potter fanfic like thousands of others but damn finding that was lifechanging
hahahahaha that's wild man I know for a fact that my life would never be the same again if I found that out about my mum
She wrote WHAT
@@MuntsonWeekdays there definitely were, i remember she wrote long form stuff but i could not handle going in and reading it😭 wish i remembered the name or could ask her bc now i'm kinda interested
the way this would be a common occurance to the current generation's children in the near future only that the child would be finding a 63 chapter, gut-wrenching Larry smut from AO3
Can't wait for my future children to find remnants of my fucked up fanfics in AO3
The "Oh, it's an actual cult" moment really sneaked up on me.
lol, same XD
Excuse me sir, the past tense of 'sneak' is _snuck_ not 'sneaked' :)
But yeah lol wtf
@@idontwantahandlethough Sneaked is also correct, you can use both :)
OML YOU ARE RIGHT! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Cyanide_wild it doesn't really sound right though, does it?
It's incredible with the Conchita stuff how the sneligion (Snape religion) independently evolved a snatholic (Snape Catholic) and snotestant (Snape Protestant) schism, complete with it's own snartin snuther (Snape Martin Snape Luther) figure
dear god, this comment made me laugh way too much, holy shit
This is a very cursed comment and I regret having read it. Still funny though, good job.
snult (snape cult)
The idea that the centuries of arguing over which version of Christianity is correct and fandom discourse both boil down to the human tendency to think your interpretation is right and the other guy is a moron just hit me like a semi truck full of bricks.
I greatly appreciate you 💜
Rose’s son needs to write a memoir. We need to know what it was like to have your mom be the OG snapewife
Yes and their IRL husbands also!
The husband who woke up to his wife dancing for Snape, then she made him leave the house before she started again. LMFAO!
these people would be SO into reality shifting if this had all happened in the tiktok era
YES!!! The amount of arguing that would have occurred between them and people in the marauders fandom- shifting would definitely be a big part of their religious practices and if you couldn’t do it well you weren’t doing it right and snape is mad
it has and is still going. theres a whole shift community. i dont know where it went as ive deleted my account but with tiktok, instead of snape, they attached themselves to malfoy. insane
@@nahfam7735they’re still here …. it’s mostly marvel fans
Do i even wanna know what that is?
@@kellylyons1038no you don't
Love the fact that I can ask people “what do Severus Snape and Gadget from Chip and Dale have in common” and the answer would be: a literal cult following
WHaT? What does the Gadget cult think of the new rescue ranger movie? Is it blasphemy?
@@insertnamehere6227 I’m actually not sure but based off what I read about the group, I’m gonna guess they probably didn’t like it lmao
@@insertnamehere6227 I’ve heard that her 4chan following was upset that she married the fly character bc in their minds she is a pure and innocent figure or something. Also the fly was voiced by a black man so you know they had something to say about that😅
@@sugar-rice Meh, it was more so because the fly was like their pet in the actual show and they had like 200 disgusting mouse fly hybrid babies.
@@sugar-rice No one thought she was particularly pure or anything. It was a kids show. Aside from deviants making furry porn, no one was thinking anything particularly sexual. Because its a kids show. Then the movie goes "Btw she basically ****** her dog, except her dog is a fly, repeaedly, over and over again and had dozens of weird chipmunk fly maggot babies", in a kids show. Out of nowhere. Seemingly purely for the negative press.
If you can't see why this is weird without thinking it comes down to 'purity symbolism' or 'his voice actors color', I don't know what to say to you. I sincerely doubt 99% even knew or cared he was black. I didn't. Who stops watching a movie to google voice actor ethinicity?
honestly, the fact that the oncler fangirls _didn't_ turn into this is a miracle, but i'm glad because can you imagine?
Horrifying concept (affectionate)
Honestly I would rather join a onceler religion than a severus snape religion
Ironically for shiggles mostly but still
Even as a Snape "fan" growing up, I've always been like "oh this character did not unravel the way I expected him to" and never did I once think "I'd love to marry someone who is obsessive and uses his obsessions as an excuse to abuse children".
EXACTLY LMAO
this XD
I liked Snape because of Alan Rickman and the movies. However, I was able to figure out he was a "good guy" by his reactions to Harry being bullied in the mind battles (I forget what they called their Chi Battles)
i love the consistently observable phenomenon of "if you leave a group of people alone they will spontaneously form a religious framework and burn through it without prompting"
born too late to be a snape wife born too early to witness The Snape Resurgence Of 2109
The teens shifting to Hogwarts to shag Draco are the next generation of Snapewives.
that's okay you can still hang out with the reality shifters
@Linda Les 2109
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I vow to live to be 101 years old to witness the prophesied Snape Resurgence of 2109
Full props for reading that entire vow all the way through without hysterically laughing 😂
I think there might have been edits at 19 and 34 seconds. Almost certainly because of unavoidable hilarity.
Imagine being an academic and saying "I'm going to write a paper on the Snape Wives"
Imagine being that same academic, going to your peers and asking them to review your paper on the Snape Wives.
Imagine being an academic and being asked to review a paper on the Snape Wives.
idk the whole situation is just so wild to me
Oh no, there have been multiple papers that talk about snapewives, not just the one. Ive read them...
I mean... someone had to do it.
I think i personally would be delighted to review it... but maybe a little horrified
I promise being me is generally pretty boring! I didn’t get to pick the reviewers myself because they had to be anonymous. But I could work out who a few of them were - including one poor person who also had to real my paper on Momo.
I've reviewed weirder papers and also subjected people to weirder papers
they’re literally a case study of how religion can be formed
Can be? You mean were formed 😅
@@ekuude”can be” because they lowkey formed a religion and there’s no saying that there won’t be future groups like them that will form seeing the stage of social media
@@Ca11mewhatever no sorry, I agree with you. I was just saying that this is literally how real world religions were formed and how some religious people act
@@Ca11mewhateverIt makes me wonder if that's how *all* religions were formed, ngl. Well... some of them probably also involved drugs.
But seriously, a lot of religious metaphysics sounds straight up like facets of psychosis. Stuff like "possessions" sounds exactly like the kind of paranoid delusions people can have about other people they know having been "replaced" with perfect lookalikes.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302just a bunch of people with shared psychosis and delusions forming religion. That's why I'm no longer religious. But my parents are fanatics of it and they seem schizophrenic when it comes to religion
Ok, but... Snape isn't "borderline" abusive, he's just full-on abusive. He bullied children, he threatened the life of one of their pets, ridiculed Hermione when she was under the effect of a spell and desperately needed medical attention, and was committed to sentence an innocent man to a fate worse than death over their bad history.
What books have those Snape simps been reading to perceive him as an appealing brooding bad boy with a heart of gold?
Well obviously that was JK Rowling’s unreliable narration s/. Though I do think it’s notable that that quote from a snapewife said that she understood him because she also had an abusive childhood, and that they sort of congratulated themselves on being able to “withstand his temper” so I think there’s possibly an element of trauma/normalized abuse leaking in from their own pasts at play here, which is sad. They may not have considered that an especially abnormal or unjustifiable way for adults to treat children.
Exactly. Snape is a bully, and incel, a racist, and overall an egocentric asshole. JK Rowling is once again at fault for romanticizing him and giving him this anti hero image
Alan Rickman's face
He also was an unrepentant wizard Nazi who only changed sides because the girl he stalked in high school became a target BECAUSE OF HIS OWN ACTIONS.
@@camille1324 I was going to poke fun with a comment about nutty people not needing a reason to do nutty things. Then saw your comment and yeah, it's actually pretty profound how that community decided to connect with this character. It's just very sad when you think about it.
I never was a Snape wife and never liked him as a character because he's a pathetic little man and I don't vibe with those. But in the early 2010s I wanted to join a text based rp community and rp as someone interesting. I had my eyes on Remus Lupin as any self respecting person with father issues would, but he was already taken. So, I took the one that would be the most fun and challenging: Severus Snape. Game admins wanted to weed out weak players, so they kept making the minimum post length longer, we ended up writing paragraphs and paragraphs just to keep a dialogue going. I dove deep into Snape angst, it was great playing him as I could interact almost with anyone, it was also hard to balance playing an asshole without ruining relationships with other players. I had fans, I had haters, it was awesome. Then I cosplayed Snape and started really living with it. I became a Snape connoisseur. I didn't like him or found him hot, but I loved him as an actor loves his part or as one might love a character they deeply understand, but in a bad way.
So, yeah, I'm ready to watch this video and die a thousand deaths.
You gave me so many Proboards and vBulletin flashbacks. Used to love text Harry Potter RP on those kinds of forums. Never got into the Tumblr and Instagram RP, much preferred the old style how you were basically writing novels back and forth with your friends.
@@BlueHazyDreams I also loved how there would be dozens of people participating and it was normal
That sounds like fun times haha.
i like to think of this as like snapewives version of people dressing up as jesus to attend pride parades or smth
Your story is fascinating 😮😂
i think its interesting that that one woman says "As someone who comes from an abusive household as well, you can either continue the cycle or do what you can to break it" except that. Snape didnt break it? he did continue the cycle? he was very abusive to his students? literally he threatened to kill eleven or twelve year old Neville's pet just bc he could. Snape literally is a racist and abusive bully.
He also terrified Neville so much that he became his worst nightmare personified.
I suppose this lines up with how his wives could have broken the cycle of misogyny in their community, but instead they continued it.
@@causticwit And so cross-dressed Snape was born.....
@@causticwit Adding fuel to the fire, it was also noted that before Neville entered Hogwarts, his relatives put him in life threatening situations every other day. The fact that he's scared of Snape even more says something.
If you look into women who fall in love with actual serial killers, many of them were abused previously, sometimes horrifically. The best theory I’ve heard about that is that they’re “in love” with an incredibly dangerous man who can’t hurt them (because they’re either in prison or dead) so it’s safe to idealize them. Snape is one step better because he never existed at all.
Snape as alpha? He spends his life being bullied by rich kids, exploited by rich kids, enslaved by the Dark Lord, forced into a job he hates so he can spy for Dumbledore, tortured and used by the Dark Lord, and then forced to murder Dumbledore for political reasons, regardless of his own wishes. All while taking his impotent rage out on small children. That these women perceive him as alpha tells me they see themselves as the children... i.e. the only characters he actually has power over.
exactly. exactly this!!!!
Snape is Omega confirmed
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Wait, huh. Snape abuses his teaching position (and his students) because he lacks power and autonomy anywhere else in his life?
I hadn't thought about it that way. He really is a bully, plain and simple.
@@livliveart 3/4 of the faculty in hogwarts can be classified as bullies imho
I feel like I've heard the term "snapewives" many years ago, but i never knew it went beyond thinking they were married to Snape
Yeah I heard about the self-shipping thing (nothing wrong with that part in moderation) and maybe the “reality shifting” thing but then I was like “oh….we’re in a cult now….cool I guess?”
Yeah I thought it was just a silly nickname for people who thought Snape was hot. I had no idea how literal the name would turn out to be
I thought she was gonna talk about those silly “reality shifter” people. I mean they think they can marry Draco why wouldn’t a few think they can marry Snape 🤷♀️
I thought they were just huge fans of snape, not that they were a whole religion
I'm going to keep calling them Snapists, because they won't stop snaping my eyes. They've snaped me repeatedly.
i was a huge snape fangirl in like 2014 when i was 12 and i found a website they had and i was so confused and TERRIFIED
EDIT: also as a snape fan i just wanna say i'm insanely uncomfortable with other fans' treatment of lily. that girl owed him nothing and was right to cut him off after what he did to her. i do not claim them lmfao.
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Pls poor girl 😭
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Honestly I think even Snape would be uncomfortable. He clearly felt bad about the incident later in his life.
There's an alternate universe where Conchita split off into her own sect of Snapism (ala Protestant reformation) and the whole religion continued into the modern day, with these two warring factions fueling the whole thing through discourse instead of falling apart. After all, having an enemy to fight against, a FALSE PROPHET no less, could've made people even MORE devoted to Snape.
There's another alternate universe where the whole phenomenon was Snape HUSBANDS, but that's almost too powerful to even consider
I really respect/admire Conchita's devotion
Snubbys?
I'm glad I'm not the only one who basically saw Conchita as the Martin Luther of this group
@@user-sf4fy8bq1h I wish i was illiterate, pls
@@ButterflyScarlet “Not a suitable snubby in the whole lot. Does that fucking twink have a _lightning bolt tattoo_ on his forehead‽” The Alpha Snubby looked over the group of wannabe replacements with sneering contempt. “Severus save me,” he sighed. As he exhaled, he caught a brief glimpse of his reflection in one of the beta snubbys' glasses. The hooked nose, the fleshy jowls, the sad, play-dohy eyes...he was looking more and more like the human actor Alan Rickman each day. He knew his time to find a replacement was running short. Scanning over the young crowd wriggling with anticipation, he breathed another sigh, this one one of determined resignation: one of these boys would have to be the next Alpha Snubby.
When I was a kid, I thought the Valar, the godlike beings from The Silmarillion, were communicating through me. It was very silly, but it did help me to stop self-harming. Specifically Nienna, the Vala of cathartic weeping, was really meaningful to me.
I sang to Elbereth growing up whenever I saw the stars. I still do sometimes. Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
That's really beautiful tbh.
The thing about the Valar is that they're at least set up as godlike beings within a mythological framework for our own world. It makes as much sense as other mythologies, and people tend to use this framework for their own wellbeing rather than for...bullying people on the internet and writing self-insert erotica. 😅
Since the Valar are meant to be basically angels-gods.
This would be more like believing that Samwise was talking to you in your dreams, and saying how in love with you he us
as a big lotr fan that made me tear up. I don't judge anyone's fan behavior as long as it isn't hurting ppl (like bullying etc).
I think fantasy worlds can be very healing depending on how they are experienced or incorporated into our lives. I often say I'm living hobbit life!
that's so beautiful that it helped you. ❤
I always wondered if part of the appeal of Snape wives is how loyal he is to Lily. Snape is the ultimate example of the guy who hates everyone except the woman he loves, the woman he literally lived and died for, the woman who had a son that wasn't his but that he was willing to care (well, make sure he wouldn't die) for. He's basically a gothic romantic hero except middle aged, greasy, and extremely unlikable to the main cast of children.
These same behaviors make Snape appear very incel-y (basically stalking a woman for her whole life) but it fits into the romance genre fantasy really well. Women who felt neglected, who always wanted a man to love them in that way would be drawn to any mainstream figure that has the combo of tropes and traits they like best.
It has to be that they want that obsessive love for themselves! :D
It's not as if living with him would be pleasant.
The descriptions of his home, office and classrooms are all horrifying..
Let's live with the guy who keeps pickled dead stuff everywhere...
I’m not at all a Snape-Liker, but That’d be a plus for me? who wouldn’t want to date someone who keeps jars full of picked organs? The aesthetic would be mindblowing. Maybe it’s down to personal taste.
The best thing about fictional lovers is that they will never hurt you or break your trust! Is that because they have no agency? Yes. Is that a sign of a deeper problem with people? Also yes (probably).
I've always thought about that maybe some ppl just are scared of being abandoned and snape is a character that no matter what never "abandons" the woman he loves
Dale: "Excuse me, are y'all with the cult?"
Snapewives: "We're not a cult. We're just channeling daddy Snape on an astral-"
Hank: "Yep this is it."
LMAO!!!!
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i feel like this all couldve been avoided if rose and tanya fused their marriages into a polycule
Or divorced their respective husbands and married each other, something tells me that they (husbands) maybe weren't into the polyamorous thing
@@miajajajajajajajajajoyeah, I get the feelings their husbands played along with it because they loved them and thought “well she embraces my fetishes, so I’ll do the same.” However, starting to become a polycule probably would have been a step too far.
Snapewives, aka “A housewife realizes she’s polyamorous and possibly queer, but can’t fully process it, so she starts a cult with her crush instead.”
If I had a nickle for every time someone had channelled the spirit of a fictional man to have sexual relationships with women in a way that allowed them to validate their identity and desires without, within its own logic, counting as 'homosexual behavior'; I'd have three nickles (the Bit Of Earth cult, if that's what it's called, that one dedicated to The Hobbit and Lord of The Rings books; the SnapeWives; and that one nun that claimed to have married Jesus Christ and that he possessed her)
@@miajajajajajajajajajowhich isn't a lot but it's weird it happened three times
that nun (benedetta carlini) gets mentioned in this video!@@miajajajajajajajajajo
I use to have a big crush on snape when I was 12 it was before discovering that I was a lesbian 😭😭
@@miajajajajajajajajajo4 nickels, which still isn't a lot, but it's even weirder it happened 4 times. (Referring to the Jareth cult in the Labyrinth fandom that precursored Snapewives)
I was big into the Harry Potter fandom on Livejournal back in the day. I was never involved with the Snapewives, I only knew about them very vaguely, they were considered fringe even in the crazier parts of the fandom but one of my closest internet friends at the time was a woman who literally believed she was Snape. She dressed like him and spoke like him and viewed him as a religious figure who she channeled to become a better person. And honestly, in all my years of being involved with various fandoms, she was one of the nicest people I've ever encountered. Fandom is notoriously overdramatic and toxic, and this woman was the opposite of that despite being very far removed from reality. I hope she's doing well wherever she is.
It's really common among lesbians/trans men to do such things to be with other women in a way their internalized misogyny can tolerate. I hope she's happy, too.
@@RobinTheBot ...I think I know what you mean, but the wording here makes it seem like you think trans men are a) "other women" and b) always attracted to women
@@cam4636 Yeah, the implication that trans men are really just women who are suffering with internalized misogyny is a very common TERF take, unfortunately.
She is the definition of never judge a book (or person in a fandom) by their cover. And that warms my heart.
I'm glad that you brought up that their image of Snape is specifically the Alan Rickman incarnation of him. I've never seen one of the edits with an illustration from the books. Makes you wonder.
The films gave us Alan Rickman, who put a lot of nuance and emotion into his performance, and cut out all of Snape's most cruel and horrifying moments
To be fair, every character in the book illustrations, includding harry, is ugly
I was around LJ around this time and a lot of this was just lusting around Alan Rickman himself. Not exclusively but definitely there
@@Tareltonlives like the times he uses his class to poison his students or their pets
A lot of people were thirsty for Snape Alan Rickman. In some cases though I think the Snapewives used his picture simply because it feels much more real when you're looking at an actual person rather than a drawing, even if you know it's just an actor portraying them. One of the original Snapewives said she had been obsessed with Snape since the year 2000 which was before the release of the first movie. She must have been a...true Snape believer
Alan Rickman absolutely rocked the role, bringing just the right amount of charisma and pathos. RIP, gone far too soon.
I do wonder if he had any idea that he helped start a religion, albeit a thankfully short-lived one. For his sake, I kind of hope not.
Yes, he was so beautiful❤️
He was the reason why I liked Snape. One of my first crushes. Always watched his movies. Loved him in Die Hard and Robin Hood.
@@Carebear401 yes he's gorgeous. Have you seen him in Blow Dry? What a hunk!
@@sarahwarnock2707 When i was younger I watched everything he was in. He was in music video or dance video. So sexy. But i just get sad if I watch anything with Alan Rickman in it.
I'll say this about the Snape Wives: They were sexualizing a character who was a grown ass adult instead of the children. 2000's HP fandom scarred kid me fr with how many adults were writing erotica about 13 year olds.
It's annoying when that's the fucking low-bar.
This is the one thing I am an anti about. There’s no reason for adults to be writing anything erotic involving kids under 18. yet “people” get so hurt when you call it out. disgusting. sorry I know this comment is almost a year old but I was inspired.
At least it’s better than the women obsessed with Draco.
Well the people obsessed with the child characters were probably also children when the obsession started. Just see how many drarry fanfics that are made nowadays that depict them as adults. The potterheads just grew up.
@@AifosViruset nah dude, there was a shitload of child smut written by adults it was incredibly prolific and you'd be called out a lot less for it back then
I grew up evangelical and way too much of this feels familiar. Being a member that can’t trick yourself into thinking you’re literally hearing the voice of god and feeling like you’re not doing your religion hard enough because of it. Looking to interpret normal occurrences as coming from god. Hell, the church is even supposed to be “the bride of Christ” lol
The whole Snapewife concept is facinating to me because I knew a person that fit the bill perfectly- she wasn't a Snapewife but she would get fixated on a character and then base her whole religion at the time on them. In the time I knew her she went from thinking Khan from Star Trek was her guardian angel watching over her since childhood to being sure that Loki from the Avengers was appearing to her in the form of melted cheese on a burger wrapper. I later learned that before that she was in an astral plane relationship with Jareth from Labyrinth and she would comsummate their love via a homemade sex doll. That person in question was actually pretty awful and manipulative, but people like that in general are goddamn wild. I love hearing about them so much.
*Sad Kylo Ren Noises*
One time I had a psychotic break and thought I was fucking widowmaker from overwatch through another persons body. I am not admiring it, can be manipulative too and have a lot of personality issues. I had voices tell me they would dissolve people in acid in hell I kept drinking water, and would hear the sounds in music. I didn’t stop drinking water because I wanted to pretend it wasn’t real, that it couldn’t be possible, because I felt it would happen no matter what. It made me a dark person.
Concerned david bowie noises
I’m in a long distance relationship, and the way these women write about an entirely fictional character with as much passion and longing as I feel for my girlfriend is the most surreal shit ever.
it’s so sad because instead of going outside and finding someone who makes them feel that passion, they do…this
Are you sure you’re not dating a fictional character, too? /j
Plot twist: your girlfriend was Severus Snape all along 😱 /j
put him back :o)
We broke up, so who got the last laugh, really?
i knew a Heathenist irl (reconstructed Norse neopagans who worship the quirky gods) who was a Godspouse (astrally married to one of the gods) and was also a "pop culture pagan" who saw her chosen god (Loki) embodied (astrally, through the power of collective belief, like an egregore) by characters like Snape & the Joker, so she was technically indirectly a Snape Wife
That sounds FASCINATING as a very different kind of pagan I did not know “pop culture paganism” was a thing but that is super cool
Sounds like a pure crazy person.
of course it was loki. OF COURSE IT WAS LOKI
Back in the 90s I had a friend who believed she was having a romantic relationship with Trent Reznor on the astral plane. This went far beyond a crush and became a severe mental health issue that required extensive hospitalization. I can't help but see the parallels and wonder if this phenomenon has been going on longer than we thought, but just didn't have the appropriate platform to publicize it (ie the internet). Maybe the Snapewives are just the latest wave of something far bigger.
Jesus. That makes me glad my mental illness is relatively normal. I can't imagine your friends asking you why you had to be hospitalized and you having to go "well, it all started with my astral plane relationship with Trent Reznor..." Just saying it out loud would make me question whether I dreamed it
back in 2016 i had a friend who believed she was danganronpa characters in past lives, and even believed she was dating one of my fictional characters? (i have a bunch that i told and wrote to her about. it devolved into her asking me to write them being together and her doing it herself too. it was weird.) she also ended up going to a mental hospital, though i think it was for bigger, different reasons. it’s insane how frequent this stuff is if you get dragged into looking at it. there’s kinning and people devoting shrines and believing they’re dating fictional characters, getting mad when that character dates someone else constantly on the internet. im glad i don’t know anyone like that now and got out of those circles, though tbh now im worried i’ll attract more crazies if i ever put my stories out into the world loooool
Interesting that Reznor is a similar archetype as Snape too, the sort of brooding sadboy with a dark aesthetic who's been through so many struggles but seems fixable and has a sensitive and delicate side as well. A lot of early NIN has religious motives too, "Sanctified" comes to mind.
@@Valerie-nm1gr I think you're on to something here!
i guess she took the song closer too literally
My university uses 'Snapewives and Snapeism' as the example text in our referencing guide. It even has quotes from it to show how to do in-text citations. Sometimes life is good.
That's wonderful
What.
(but i do love)
@@vandypox imagine a distressed uni student that does not understand how to reference come to the realisation that there is an academic text on snape religion. it was confronting (in a weirdly good way)
This is the best news I’ve had all day! Which uni is this?
I had such a weird relationship with Snape's character in high school, I read the books, but I held the movie / fandom interpretation of him in way higher regard and it pretty much replaced the book version in my head. I was totally a person (not in the snape wives community) who thought Lily chose wrong, she should have dated snape, loved all the art of Lily marrying him instead. As an adult I reread the books (before we knew JK was a massive terf) and was so shocked by how utterly horrible Snape was in the books. This man was a child abuser, literally attempted to get Harry to drink poison in class, and literally a wizard na/zi.
Any of his redemption scenes were of him still hating other people and non purebloods but being like, I guess I'll do things for Lily's sake and that's it but I'm still racist.
Like, she didn't even bother to be like, oh he didn't actually believe any of that, but he has a weird creepy obsession with this woman that he will do certain things for.
I still cannot believe how Alan Rickman just injected so much charm into the character that it entirely replaced how I even read the book.
This. The books and the films are an entirely different beast and kind of need to be considered separately. Kinda like Jurassic Park lol
@@thewitchbasket Harry Potter movies weren't a complete flop or mess because someone other than JKR had creative input (even then they still had in alot of the antisemitic, bigoted themes). Fantastic Beasts is what happens when JKR has more impute than she should, and it's just an incoherent, over detailed mess with no continuity.
@@thewitchbasket he was still very much an abusive asshole in the movies lol
It's funny because I didn't see the movies until I was a few books into the series. I felt a lot of cognitive dissonance as a kid because I hated Snape in the books but found myself loving his character in the films. It wasn't until I saw Die Hard that I realized that I just really liked Alan Rickman not necessarily the character of Snape. He was fantastic at making unlikable characters likable.
Exactly! Snape is such a perfect example of the Fake Nice Guy it's almost not even funny.
I have known multiple sapphic couples who started out as very intense and sexual roleplay partners for multiple years before they finally accepted they were gay and could fuck as themselves. At least three couples, who do not know each other and are from different places.
This was SUCH a common thing in the 2000s! I knew a couple of Jrock cosplayers (cosplaying Malice Mizer's Mana and Gackt if that tells you anything) and they were in a defacto lesbian relationship BUT only as these very much real life musicians they were roleplaying and cosplaying as. I think the Gackt cosplayer was also possibly transmasc. I hope they're doing well. But oh boy was the 2000s a WILD fucking time to be 15 and in possession of fully unrestricted internet access.
Also, i don't want to pretend i wasn't weird af. I was also cosplaying and roleplaying as the musicians of another japanese band (dir en grey) with my defacto girlfriend. But only by pretending to be band members in a gay relationship for some reason. Like. Roleplaying as gay men was ok but being bi or lesbian was "weird". Like. Almost 20 years later i am amazed by the mental gymnastics i was capable of xD
YEP. I also have seen this a lot.
That really was SUCH a thing for awhile lol
@@erylaria398 I was also in one of those, but in my defense, I was 13. Two of the three other couples I know were in college at the time. I thankfully realized it was okay for me to just be bisexual for real by the time I was 16.
I was part of a Livejournal role playing group where all of us were pretty boys and men from things like CLAMP series, Kingdom Hearts, FFVII, etc and it ALWAYS developed into M/M smut… and I’m pretty sure ALL of us were teenage girls.
Starting at 0:26 those vows got super chilling really quickly. The next minute made me imagine you snapping awake, eyes wide, going "Snape...to the sacrifiicial altar I must go..." and just levitating out of bed while still horizontal and floating out of the room in which you slept.
...I think I need more sleep.
Don't you mean "Snaping" awake.
" The Snapping "
She didn’t even read the whole vow:
“I solemnly promise all of this to you, Severus Snape, my only love. May these words create a strong loving bond, which can only be broken by death. If I break the promises made, or treat you not in the manner I should be, I'll make sure I'll die. May all the good forces and spirits bless our love eternally…. So it will be done...”
It baffles me that they chose Snape specifically. He's just so.. weird?
Sirius is right there lmao
LITERALLYYYY
Sirusliy
Lupin's also a hell of a catch
Everyone was busy shipping Sirius/Lupin.
@@ItsAsparageese true
I think that a huge part of the answer to the "why him??" question here is definitely the Alan Rickman of it all. I don't think he's handsome as Snape, but I can get why other people might feel that way. His voice and all of the good looking normal pictures of Rickman add to it. I think if the movies never got made, this would never have been a thing at all.
Or maybe if people didn't have such bizarre fetishes, it would never have happened.
That is so true!
So...Hear me out...I am a lesbian. However, I went through the most bizarre phase after watching HP. I had developed this obsession with Snape, and then realized that I loved the actor, himself, and I began seeking out any and everything that he played in. I felt like I was in love with the man.
It feels so strange to revisit those memories. Perhaps, those inexplicable feelings were simply enhanced with me going through puberty at the time? Haha. Anyway. Big yikes. Imma shut up, now.
True true.
I remember watching him in Sense and Sensibility as Col. Brandon. With Kate Winslet as Marianne.
"Tanya is the Regina George of Snapewives" is such a goddamn fever dream of a sentence.
Edit: "She does not resume her erotic dancing for Snape until her husband leaves for a walk" made my brain hurt.
Edit 2: "If your husband doesn't think you're sexy anymore maybe Severus Snape will...on the astral plane" MY SOUL IS LEAVING MY BODY!
Leaving your body to go to him? The snaster
I definitely can give the more religious aspect of it the benefit of the doubt- as a kid, I was obsessed with the Warriors books, to the point where as an elementary schooler I 100% believed that I was a cat in a past life, accidentally born into the wrong body as a human, StarClan was real and powerful and they sent me prophetic dreams. Any doubts made me anxious that I was doing something wrong and so I self-reinforced my beliefs.
For the SnapeWives, having people around you also claim it's real, that if you try harder you'll get these visions and revelations, be worthy, admired, accepted, etc. is very powerful, so I'm not surprised it got to the fervor that it was. It's so easy to trick your brain (or someone else's) into believing in something.
I mean, kids acting like this isn't really rare or that worrying. Kids do that.
But when it's grown adults, who are married and have children themselves, that's the point where they should be... gently nudged towards therapy.
I love warriors. XD
You mentioning Warriors resurfaced a primordial memory for me. I used to pretend to be a fan character named Starlight (don't even get me started) who was from Starclan, destined to lead Riverclan one day. There were three other cats: Moonsong for Thunderclan, Fallenmoon for Shadowclan, and Firetail for Windclan. I played as this imaginary character with my cousin as a wolf named, cleverly, Wolfy. She was a dire wolf cousin of Star?? Oh, and they both had wings, and Starlight had a unicorn horn and could use magic because the Starclan chosen four were Alicats.
I could write a novel on the details of this story. A novel that would be quickly banned from every country for how absurd it is, lmao
You know I did something similar in my freshman year of high school ,but with pigeons.
@@veravucic3182 care to share?
I might have nearly died when the erotic dance was brought up. I can't help but imagine George settling in for an afternoon nap, only to be stirred from sleep by the first few notes of Usher's Yeah!. Turning over, he's met with the sight of his wife gyrating aggressively over a dining chair. A closer inspection reveals a picture of Snape taped to the backrest. Looking back, he'd recall this as the moment he realized being married wasn't for him-followed shortly by an admittance that his wife repurposing his office into a shrine for Snape should have been confirmation enough.
Imagine if they made a season 4 of American Gods but instead of focusing on any of the main gods or minor gods it's just a biopic of Snapewives and their history
Shadow meets Snape and he's SO UNCOMFORTABLE with being a god, refuses to discuss his worshippers, joins Wednesday's war in hopes of dying for good this time...
Rose's husband, busting out the black Party City wig: "I feel the Snirit comin' over me!!"
23:19 It just hit me how much this religion resembles early Mormonism. From the discourse about prophets/mediums specifically who they are and are not, the polygamy, disagreement with original text the religion stems from (Joseph Smith made several "corrections" to the king james bible), and the practice of writing new scripture and having revelations from their god.
this shit is so scary but hilarious at the same timen
I remember stumbling onto something similar during quarantine. Basically, Shen from Kung Fu Panda 2 has a small fandom surrounding him called Shenistria.
The wiki page for this fandom has since been deleted, so you're really just gonna have to trust my word on this, but I sh*t you not, these people had come up with their own languages and political alignments that existed neither in real life nor any existing piece of media. All for the peacock from Kung Fu Panda. It was wild.
The guy who created the fandom still has a TH-cam channel called GreatestShenFan where he makes like, national anthems for the fandom and stuff.
Jesus
The look on my face when my eyes scrolled past "Shen from Kung Fu Panda 2". People really will latch onto anything. Even the most obscure stuff
It's a cult 😂
Gotta love extremely small but extremely deep rabbit holes like these. A lot of the more dangerous/risqué parts of these fandoms only come when they get blown out of proportion, reaching people without the initial context. Them staying small makes it more likely that it stays as harmless fun.
😟
Not just any peacock, but a peacock who commited literal genoсide.
imagine talking to someone about how much you both hate jkr and you think you’re on the same page but then they reveal that they only hate her because she ‘misrepresented’ snape
Joanne the false prophet 😂
I love it
O_o
This feels like the exact reverse of men who collect figurines of one “waifu” and has a pillow 😭
This man outed Lupin as a werewolf out of spite. Chose Lilly over her baby. Destroyed kids with insults to the point of becoming one's boggart. Unforgivable. And I am not even counting joining the death eaters or guilt-tripping Sirius into leaving the safety of his hiding place (who is an adult and should have known better).
unrelated but BADASS username
Seriously. He is ABSOLUTELY repeating the cycle.
@@yaelmorin9017 Thank you so much, I try to honour my childhood heroes
@@janerecluse4344 I think too many people confuse Alan Rickman and how calm he is in the films and book Snape who actually acts quite infantile so many times in the books. In the films he acts sharp only when it is that the trio actually could have gotten hurt. If someone watched only the film I doubt they could even understand how much of a bully Snape is. He threatened to poison Nevile's frog. He broke Harry's assignment potion. HE OUTED LUPIN AS A WEREWOLF!!! Leaving someone in such state that based on prejudice they might never again be able to be employed could literally be a death sentence...
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 Yeah, watching people who had actually read the books coo over a sadistic child abuser who should never ever EVER have been employed by a school makes me physically ill. Movie Snape is much more tolerable.
When I was in college, I knew a girl who was unhealthily obsessed with David Bowie (who was still alive at the time), and she was very active in his Tumblr fandom. At some point, one of her friends made up a fictional David Bowie character, who started sending her anonymous affirmations in her inbox, until it escalated to the point where she was convinced that he was not only real but also her boyfriend. Anyway, I can’t believe there are multiple communities of people like this.
That's messed up.
That friend did it to cheer up her or just hurt her? Did she had a real boyfriend or she was lonely? Maybe all that David Bowie crush was scapism. I do that. Not in that extreme just crushes or daydreaming
I think it’s some sort of incredibly complex coping mechanism
i saw something similar on Tumblr with someone i follow for their writings, someone is sending them anonymous asks pretending to be a character they are extremely attached to and they're answering like "i'll see you soon" and other stuff like that and it's both sad and concerning
“Does this mean Jesus is a polygamist?” is not something I expected to think today, but now I’m wondering it. Thanks, internet.
Also for the curious - there’s a cool article called “Fictosexuality, Fictoromance, and Fictophilia: A Qualitative Study of Love and Desire for Fictional Characters” by Veli-Matti Karhulathi and Tanja Valisalo that looks at the uh… more sensible (and common) version of what’s going on here.
Hey could I get a link please :)
IIRC Fictosexual and fictoromantic are on the asexual and aromantic spectrums respectively. However the majority of them I’ve met are nooooowhere near this uhm.. obsessed.
Definitely plan on giving that article a read later today to see what it says.
Huh, did not know there were actual terms for being into fictional characters. Will give the article a read.
interesting
Jesus literally preached against polygamy and divorce so nope.
As far back as middle school in 1990 - so as far back as I was writing - I realized that if there was a world-wide culture-stopping catastrophe at that point, a post apocalyptic society hundreds of years later could easily interpret archaeological evidence to mean that our gods were Leonardo, Donatello, Michaelangelo, and Raphael.
I always think abt what future ppl will think when they find the remains of disney world. "They worshipped a rat god on 2 coasts and france"
When shit hit the fan with jkr and some fans were very disillusioned with her I read an article that got big on twitter from a fan of the book. An open letter to jkr.
But the thing is, halfway through the article the author said, unprompted, that one time when she gave birth she found solace in imagining snape was in the room giving her potions to ease her pain. Like, she just dropped that casually like this wasn't a huge tell that she had been a snapewife to everyone reading it. They're still out there.
(EDIT: to be clear, I'm not judging that she did that. I'm just saying that she said it like it wasn't a tell lol.)
Honestly childbirth fuckin sucks so do what you gotta do to get through it. If it's Snape than good for her
@@necrodeus6811 if that's the thing that keeps you from being overwhelmed by contractions (which is easy to do), then you do you.
Edited do to you
@@necrodeus6811 yeah I hear ya, but it was the way she tried to be covert about it that was funny to me
Sounds like someone slipped her a bit of Veritaserum while she was writing the article.
Everyone showed up to remind us how awful childbirth is 😂
Not me at the beginning of this video assuming snapewives were just people who were attracted to snape. Oh god the first two minutes really ruined my last speck of hope for humanity
As Death said: HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.
"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little-"
YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
Even AO3 contains the remnants of self-insert marysue snapewives. The fact that, even with my strong NZ accent, the Google speech-to-text engine picked up on "snapewives" as a word (that I have never used till now) is utterly hilarious and slightly terrifying. Somehow both Samsung and Google know more than I do about niche HP fandom/fanfic/fanfail events I barely know or remember myself. *_Please imagine my haunted expression as I stare into the void_*
I feel so bad for Lily (in the books/movies/fanfic snapewives narrative) she didn't deserve that at all.
I was part of an adult harry potter discord, adult as in SFW just no kids. but what got me was how many women (my age 30+) were referring themselves to Snape's sister wives. I found it odd, and I've never heard about snapewives. I don't think they took it to such a religious fanatic level, however.
I love the idea of people who jokingly calling them and their friends "sister wives", running into actually snapewives and the slow realization that neither are on the same page. lol
"The physical bodies of these husbands do have benefits" needs to be part of all cishet marriage ceremonies from now on.
Saying this to my girlfriend now hold up
@@rustyshackle8000 Good on you, too many people get jealous of their girlfriend's husbands
@@cam4636 "My wife's extradimensional god husband said I can stay up till nine."
That made me laugh out loud, thank you 😂😂
Cishet = normal
From the thumbnail I thought this was gonna be about the "shifting" community on tictok that revolves around (if I understand this properly?) using self hypnosis to "manifest" travelling to an alternate reality where you get to live in your fandom and then eventually travel back to your original reality to recount your story, which you assert to be factually true. I'm 27 and mostly know about this through my boyfriend's sister explaining it to me, so I'm not sure about the scale of this exactly, but it definitely feels like a modern spiritual successor to the snapewives phenomenon.
i hope aeons makes a video about that because it truly was a whole thing on tiktok. also most "shifters" believed you could receive signs from your other realities in your current reality, to the point that some claimed to have vivid visions of, say Harry Potter characters standing in a corner of their room or right in front of them, and they would take that as a good sign. wild stuff.
I was going to say the exact same thing. And this feels a little like a successor even of early 20th century spiritualist movement. Particularly of women seeking power and validation within a community
I mean I expect the weird reality shifting from like teen girls maybe early 20’s because hey we’ve all done cringy things in our past, there’s truth in Turning Red. But I was really surprised to learn they were middle age women, not there’s anything wrong with it in theory but it’s pretty obvious they took their obsession too far.
Then again the more I researched turns out reality shifting was always a thing because I was reading a excellent character analysis on Charles Offdensen from Metalocalypse and I got whiplashed when it went into reality shifting like halfway through 😂
To be honest I respect any spiritual and non-spiritual belief (if it doesn't harm anyone).
From the creators I've seen and interacted within the Shifting Community, they seem all pretty chill. The community has its more... Toxic sides, but I guess is a curse of every community lol.
Id respect it if not for the adults telling teens that it’s healthy to be that obsessed with “experiencing alternative realities” because a lot of people experienced a lot of dissociative issues because of the trend
During the first two-thirds of this, I kept going "Schism! Schism!" at my screen. Then, when the (spoilers) schism actually happened, I squealed with joy.
Snism.
I feel really bad for these women. It is hilarious and I find it funny in a similar way men dedicated to their waifus are funny, but it also speaks of a profound romantic loneliness they must have had if they truly attached themselves to Snape as thoroughly as they said.
loving unavailable people is super common when you're lonely
@@dickottel also since Snape is basically an incel, and being lonely is a big part of inceldom, perhaps the snapewives kinda relate to him?
plus the fact that the two most prominent in their community were married? idk i dont wanna speak on their personal lives in 2007 but it feels like they just didnt get any satisfaction out of their relationships at that time
@@aquabluerose7734 I mean the community, Conchita in particular but the others like Rose as well, had some very femcel-ish stances. And despite hating each other with a passion, incels and femcels are VERY similar, one could say almost identical. As for this little situation in particular, Imagine being the husband of some of these girls and your only value in her eyes is being an object to chanel Snape. Your own sexuality being taken away as belonging to a character of fiction. YOU are not enough. It has an additional layer of very culty codes. Extremely toxic for women on the "lower ranks" of that troup, and for the husbands/boyfriends who lost a partner to it.
@@k.v.7681 I think the reason why femcels and incels are so similar is that they both feel they are owed something romantically (whether it is love or sex) combined with the feeling that they are not "whole" people if they do not have these things. Its why it's so tragic to see people fall into these communities because its very much an inherently dislikeable belief ("I am owed this to the detriment of other people") with a sad and sympathetic core ("I am not a whole person if I am not loved").
Modern religions be WILD, man. Their drama 100% parallels the reasons Christianity separated into so many sects???? Wild
Also, I really appreciated the tangent into questioning the tastes and (more or less) harmless activities of women of all ages. Happiness is already hard enough to find in this silly universe
I get what she means, and making fun of people for liking something is pretty stupid. At the same time, starting/joining a delusional cult of any type should probably be discouraged regardless of who's doing it. Even seemingly harmless cults that are centered around popular fictional characters.
Ignore one group of people who think they're being spiritually contacted by Severus Snape and it only takes a couple bad turns for them to Heaven's Gate themselves because they saw Snape's Doe patronus in the stars or something.
I was thinking the exact same thing, I wonder if Conchita (spelling??) served as a Martin Luther figure lmao
@@TheAmberh44 Nailing her conviction that Snape is not polygamous to the message board door
I dont know man, that one lady psychosexual proyection of Snape into her husband as a vessell during sex (this sentence has never been said before) seems pretty damaging and not at all above critisism
Oh, no - I very much agree that criticism is warranted in these circumstances. But making fun of things solely because girly-types like them is something that is unfortunately extremely normalized, so it's just nice to hear someone talk about it :)
I know fandom has a tendency to twist characters around, but how on earth did these women take the pathetic, abusive sadboy Snape and turn him into this daddy dom bad boy raw force of sexual energy
because they think the love of a good woman can fix him and then all of his passion belongs to them
because that's most men? and how most men want their wives to perceive them
Personally, I don't see him as pathetic. He was full of love, but he was hurt repeatedly and clung to the only person who showed him kindness. But others lied to him (Lucius and Tom Riddle), and they used him. It's no wonder he was so bitter. Everyone used him, even Dumbledor. And he blamed himself for the murder of his only friend. It's tragic.
No, he wasn't perfect, not even close. But there's so much man under all that pain and fear. It's no wonder so many of us feel that if we could just show him love, he would let us in. It's not about changing him, it's about opening him up and tending to his wounds.
Plus it doesn't hurt that Alan Rickman is dead sexy.
@@sarahwarnock2707 Nah, snape is most definitely a pathetic character.
@@sarahwarnock2707 Idk how to tell you this, but the idea that "uwu if I love him enough, I can fix him!" is absolute bullshit. There is nothing wrong with being kind to someone though, but wtf where in the books does it show that he was oh so full of love? Was it when he called Lily a slur? Was it when he joined the in-universe fascist group after high school because a woman said no to him? Was it when he stepped over her husband's corpse to cradle said woman's dead body after he pretty much got her killed?
22:18 "Someone's pajamas were not sexy enough to attrackt Snape into their dream" is a sentence I didn't expect to hear in my life. And right after a story about imaginary Snape helping a woman roast a turkey...
🤣 🤣 🤣
snapes story could be fixed by taking lily out. snape was bullied viciously by potter and gang, and a kid from a death eater family protected him from bullying and let him join their group. then instead of a gross incel story, it could be a look into how people get into the mindset of thinking these groups are "good" or "right" just because people outside that group are behaving poorly themselves.
That is a level of writing beyond Rowling. She literally handwaved elf slaves away as being ok with "But they like it"
It would also mirror how many end up joining things like Nazis and gangs, it starts out small like protection or feeling accepting and suddenly you start believing in what they believe. After a while; even if you disagree or even hate what they are doing, due to the fact that you only know them, you stay because change is scary.
To be fair, Snape actually never confirmed if his love for Lily was romantic, that was just fandom interpretation. In my opinion he just loved her because she was the only kindness he experienced in an otherwise difficult and depressing life. If you look at it in the same way people look at how Sirius loved James, it makes more sense.
They could have even leave Lilly in - telling a story of how friends sometimes can just drift apart.
I don't think "marginalized people are responsible for their own marginalization by 'behaving poorly'" is the theme you wanna incorporate here. If anything, it's par for the course with the kind of stuff that makes HP so thematically gross
At some point the cult stopped being about Snape the character and started being about this collective OC named “Snape”
It's too bad that after Snape stopped possessing JKR she got taken over by the TERF demon instead. Should've stayed in there Snape!
Any Idea to make him come back in there ?
LMAO
My grandmother is a huge Snape fan, speaks praise, all of this, she said she could ditch everything and everyone to date Snape she would at the speed of light. She had his picture everywhere when possible
I'm sorry WHAT
Snapewives still somewhere out there
Uh oh 🤯
I think objectively the funniest thing about the snapewives is how old they were on average. You’d think that this stuff would be like teens or 20 smthns but no. Middle aged moms and people’s grandmas were part of the erotic snape cult
@@Anindeterminateamountofbees I'm actually way more comfortable with this than the student/teacher fanfiction where they are literally MINORS.
I think they fancy the movie-style Snape (Alan) and that would be no weird at all considered the age 🤔
It's when I see 13 year olds wanting said character to take their virginity I'm a bit concerned.
Back in high school, my friend group started worshipping the gods of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. We were serious about it too. I have a distinct memory of us all joining hands and praying aloud to Hermaeus Mora the Daedric Prince of knowledge before a pre-calc test. No lie, it was a religious experience, that being the sensation of having the test answers enter my head in a way that felt as if I had no control over it? I even officiated a wedding between a couple of my friends in the name of Mara the Divine of love.
I have since discovered that this sort of thing is known as "Pop culture magic/witchcraft"
Always nice to see another pop pagan out in tge world
Thats kinda cool.
ah yeah i remember being a teen and wanting to worship the skyrim gods. im glad i matured and changed my mind, no shackles to hold me down, fortunately. kinda cool, something embarrassing i wanted to do as a kid someone actually experienced, just a bit bizarre hah.
Okay but did you pass the test tho??
@@123EmoLoveStar123 by the skin of my teeth
I know being black makes me grow up with different stuff and all that but I have not heard 90% of the stuff you talk about and I love it
I'm white and same
I think it has to do with where on the internet you spend your time and when
@@NoiseDay and probably how old you are since most of this is from the 2000s and many people watching this video were children at the time
@@NoiseDay I didn't have internet till I was like 14 😭😭
@@yourbestam Same.
I generally love stumbling upon other cultures weird ass discourse and drama. I'm such a sucker for these things
I think waifu culture would be a better male equivalent to Snape Wives than sports bros
This video really has some choice lines 🤣
"Tonya is by far the top bitch when it comes to channeling the spirit of Snape."
"For Thanksgiving Snape helps Rose to thaw and tenderize her turkey and gives Tonya inspiration with seasoning."
"The physical bodies of these husbands do have benefits."
"Tonya's husband offended him by saying he's not real. Now George is not invited to be part of her sexual adventures with Snape."
"If your husband doesn't think you're hot anymore, maybe Severus Snape will. On the astral plane."
"At some point you've gotta ask yourself, is the Snape cult *really* worth it?"
I love the part about Snape giving these women COOKING advice. It’s The Great American Snaping Show.
Snapewives is one of those things that I had heard namedropped a handful of times and brought up in tumblr discussions of times when fandom has gotten truly weird even by, like, tumblr standards, but I don't think anyone had ever actually properly explained it to me, and holy shit
Just what the absolute fuck?
Honestly it's not that weird or different from Christianity, Islam
@@MoonchildDontCry It really is 💀
Man I was never in the Harry Potter circles, but I had friends who were and watched a lot of this unfold in real time. MsScribe might be fun to look into, as it is not as buckwild as SnapeWives in like a "we started a cult around romancing Snape" kind of way, but is an ABSOLUTELY wild tale of one woman driving the course of the HP fanfic community into the ground and basically changed the entire landscape of fanfiction in general in the 2000's. Like I said, I was not in the HP fandom, but it's ripples were felt all through out Livejournal and FFnet
Eldena Doubleca5t has an amazing hour long video on MsScribe
@@virmaspice4482 I've watched that one and it's good, but is mostly just a dramatic reading of Charlotte Lennox's write-up.
I crumple to the floor thinking how easily and how fast I was sucked into being a snapewife. I was one at the final screening. And then 4 years later I reread HP and had a crisis of faith that led me to be like 'Bye Snape, bye JK'
Idk what it was. I never liked snape but as soon as an unrequited love story was introduced I was HOOOOKED. Line and sinker included. Ugh I'm disgusted with myself. Like, baby girl while you may be 17 this isn't it. Get. Better. Idols.
@@MellSayzHi don't be disgusted with yourself. Be compassionate with the teenager that wasn't yet old enough to understand how society glorifies abusive relationships. The founders of this religion were middle-aged women who were willing to throw away their lives over a fictional character, and even if he was somehow real, an a******.
We all do fabulously cringe-tastic stuff (like use the words fabulously cringe-tastic) and you at least had the excuse that your brain was still forming. You are now mature enough to realize what you were caught up in. Meanwhile, there are probably women twice your age still out there building a shrine to Snape like Helga did to Arnold in hey Arnold.
It doesn't matter whether the relationship you are forming is one with a deity, a fictional character, or a garden variety human. You have to look at the relationship and the effect that it has on your life. It sounds like you were able to do that and decide to give it up. Good for you :-)
Omg a real snapewife.
@@vlatstrapes3931 If she was 17 at the time I don't know if it fully counts. That's too young to be anyone's wife and we all did ridiculous fandom stuff at some point as kids and believed in stupid shit. It sounds like the main people behind the Snapewives were grown women who were more than old enough to know better
@@nowandaround312 what do you mean she was too young to be anyone's wife? I'm pretty sure snapewives have their own rules of what counts and what doesn't and in some places you can get officialy married way younger than 17.
this is so random but when you mentioned 50 shades of grey i thought of it- i was like 11 when that book came out and i was obsessed with the color grey and i heard my stepmom and stepsister mention the book and got excited because i literally thought it was just something to do with 50 different shades of the color grey
Brooo that is so adorable 😭
Alas, that's 50 Shades of Gray (with an A) but that's banned for copyright reasons