Think we were a bit unfair to the MK5 R32? Well, we gave it the redemption that it deserves! Check it out here! th-cam.com/video/OJXGZG4eD3c/w-d-xo.html
I am the original owner of a 2008 R32 which has 38,000 miles on it as of today. With the addition of a turbo, inter-cooler, mass flow air, peloquin differential, upgraded suspension and a APR tune, it is near perfect. Thanks for the video.
Still have my original 2004 R32 Blue - and every time I drive it, the magic I felt in 2004 when driving away from the dealership, is still there. Unbelievable. I live in SoCal - 158k on it now - and I still have folk stop to comment on it - or give the thumbs up on the freeway - motorcyclists , car drivers, truckers. Happens 3-4 times every month. And it's a 20 year old VW ! Magical. It's still hard to get used to. Parked next to a 170k Mercedes and it is the R32 that gets the looks / questions. Heater core leaked after about 14 years and the timing chain replaced after 18 years (That was expensive - had the clutch replaced also whilst in the shop although the clutch was still ok) - New suspension of course. VW got it spot on with the R32. Plenty of cars faster or more exotic...but there is nothing I would want to replace it with. Makes even driving to the dentist a joy !!
The MK1 Audi TT (based on a MK4 Golf Chassis) was available after 2004 with a 3.2 VR6 and was DSG only. The MK2 TT (based on a MK4 Golf chassis) was available with a manual--Basically opposite the VW offering in the US. So to answer your question, the MK1 Audi TT was the first platform in the US to receive the dual-clutch gearbox.
Don't understand why you guys are so under appreciated. I've been a fan since the Audi 4.2 V8 video (Partly because I have an Audi B7 RS4 haha). Still really enjoy all the other videos too! Keep up the good work.
I liked everything the guy in the red car said, but the guy driving the white car to say the R32 isn’t the predecessor to the R models is ridiculous, actually the R32 is still held above the R trim to most people. I’ve owned them all. Also a MK5 GTI and a MK5 R32 do not drive similar
@YTC377, you're spot on that the GTi doesn't drive as well or close to the R32, which has 4Motion - unless the R32 shipped to USA didn't get that option. 😅
As mentioned in the comments, the MK1 Audi TT 3.2 (the MKIV R32s stable mate) came to the U.S./North America only with DSG, the New Beetle also had the option for DSG in 2004. Also worth mentioning DSG was immediately available in the MKV Golf/GTI lineup in the U.S. in 2005. Something about the way the 2.0T in the GTI delivered its fuel, allowed VW/Audi (the TT and the A3 also had the transmission/engine combo) to fine tune that delivery to work better with the DSG. The 3.2 VR6 had a different way of fuel delivery which resulted in the slight disconnect mentioned. Another thing about the handling; the MKIV R32 was the only Golf of its generation to go with full Independent Rear Suspension, while the Golf and GTIs were using Torsion beams, you could immediately tell the difference. For the MKV generation the GTI also went IRS, so the handling wasn't going to be much different from the MKV R32 (weight distribution and drive wheels excepted). The MKV was available in other markets with unique seats that unfortunately did not meet U.S. safety standards, for our market they instead went with GTI seats.
As I've said before; your videos/documentaries are amazing. The quality is super and the time and effort you put into your channel should net you WAY more views and attention. Keep doing what you're doing, people (me especially) love what you do.
Thank you so much Deshi! We love hearing this from our audience and want to keep pushing to get better as creators. We have some updates coming to the channel so stick around for those in the coming weeks.
For anyone wondering about turbo tuning: Reputable German company HGP made turbo kits for both the 4 and 5 series R32. If you invested enough money, both 3.2l engines made 400-500hp, reliably. There were required upgrades of brakes, clutch, transmission and suspension for official German road approval (traditionally known as being picky), which made it very costy, talking about at least 20-30k moneys here, but very much worth it. To be clear, we're talking about a good 300 km/h or 185 mph road-approved in a Golf here. There are still a few 500+ hp turbo R32 specimen that are perfectly road legal in Germany today.
Great vid! I’m the original owner of my MK4 R32. You posted 2004-2005. The MK4 R32 was never produced in 2005 in the United States. The MK4 R32 technically has 250 hp same as the MK1 Audi TT 3.2. From what I gathered. Volkswagen marketed the MK4 R32 at 241 hp on paper, as to not to take away sales from the MK1 Audi TT 3.2. The MK4 R32 sold out all 5,000 in just one year. Not taking anything away from the MKV R32 it didn’t sell as well, it took just about twice as long to sell. Enthusiasts such as my self weren’t keen on the DSG at the time. The rumors were going around on VWVORTEX That the MKV R32 would be equipped with the 3.6 VR6 and would be dubbed the R36. My friends have the MKV R32 and I’ve driven them and it does NOT drive like a MKV GTI which I’ve also driven. By the way. The MKV R32 has vw 2nd generation DSG. The MKV R32 had in ( Europe) nice seats which were Recaro’s and we never got in the States.
I haven't driven a Mk5 GTI in probably 6 or 7 years so I honestly couldn't tell ya. By my estimates, probably pretty similar to the 6, but with more squeaks and rattles. -Gavin
Of course! Yes, the R32 feels heavier and more substantial (for better or worse). My best side-by-side comparo was with the R32 and my Fiesta ST. Sure the R32 sounded nice, but when I got back on my car on the same squiggly road, I immediately felt more connected and a part of the car, and could also drive quicker right away.
Mk4 didn't come with DSG. Also they didn't just bore the Mk3 2.8 VR6 engine, they increased the stroke as well. Mk5 came with DSG as an option and a slight difference in the engine build in some way(not sure what) but it changed the music from the rear end! Mk4 is ever so slightly raspy and raw! Mega review. Nice one (I'm in the UK)
Owner of a 2009 dsg in the uk. My opinion on some of your points. For me the mk5 is the better car im almost everyway as an all round offering. It not 'disjointed' imo but like any cars you need to figure out what its about. Really the mk5 is a gt car in a golf chassis. Its a 7/10ths car and this is where it shines. The dsg is sublime if you know how to drive it. It doesnt like nervous indecisive inputs as its guessing what you are going to do next. Its not meant for ultimate performance but delivers good performance and comfort with state of the art technology and options at the time. Back to back the mk4 may be more 'fun' but use the mk5 as an all weather daily commuter and it should all start to make sense. The only thing i can criticise is that they are some nvh in the plastics and also the macphersons strut setup doesnt feel tight enough despite the additional rigidity. Also the sport mode is very good.
Okay.... A few things here. It's not like DSG is like BMW SMG/Ferrai F1 gearboxes where you have to learn it. I approached the car from an objective POV and the Mk5 was totally dull from my perspective. We don't post videos just to kiss ass and tell you something that we don't fundamentally agree with. Dude, I've worked in and around a bunch of VW products from being a content creator at Integrated Engineering. I'm aware of how a DSG is supposed to drive and behave, and I was both disappointed in the experience, and also wanted to showcase how far we have come with the technology in almost 20 years. Thanks for watching. -Gavin
When this video came up I was excited to finally watch an honest, well thought out review of each of these cars. That's exactly what I got for the first 13(ish) minutes. You gave a brief history of engines from the very start to the VR6 (very well done btw), a pretty good and well thought out review of the Mk4 R32 and then just mindlessly shit on the Mk5 R32 for about 24 straight minutes, not by providing ANY of the content that was included in the Mk4 R32's review, but by talking about the DSG and your obvious distain for it. This was like watching two entirely different videos that were poorly mashed together. Clearly you CAN do better. (Please reference the first 13 minutes of your video) So please, do better.
Greetings Great Kazoo. So just some thoughts here. The "shitting" on the Mk5 R32 wasn't exactly mindless. I had driven the car for the whole day and in comparison to the Mk4, the car didn't feel like it had that much personality. The appearance of the exterior and interior were both very much in-line with a standard GTI, and the driving dynamics never really stood out to me. The attributes that the car provided me in the moment were really just the sound of the VR6, and an antiquated gearbox. While the Mk4 was a solid 7-8/10 experience, the Mk5 felt like a strong 6/10. We enjoy making these films and I had really high hopes for this car. It just didn't live up to my preconceived thoughts on it. Another thought as well, I don't want to sound like this an excuse, but the behind the scenes for this film were a massive shitshow and I personally let that affect me and my review once the GoPro turned on (and restarted 3 more times due to camera overheating problems). I fully admit that this is a "me problem" and not a "car problem" and take full responsibility for that part. I appreciate your thoughts and insights into the video and I will do my absolute best to negate my attitude in the future. Hopefully we haven't lost you as a viewer quite yet and you stick around to enjoy the other exciting content we have planned to release this year. Thanks for watching, Gavin
Good video. The beginning music was a bit too loud though, Was wondering if the focus was on the speaking or the music? Y'alls voice audio overall is much better (on headphone listening there is some blow out though and more confident/consistent.
The paint wasn't perfect, but the car was so great mechanically, and came with a recent service with a box full of other parts, and was sold at frankly a steal of a price. Should have easily been sold for 30-40% more. I don't slight the owner for pursuing this car in the slightest.
Perhaps. And that is something that could be said about any kind of issue with any car. "Oh, X Car isn't fast/efficient enough? Buy this tune/part from Y Company to solve Problem Z." We always try to get cars on camera that are as close to original as possible, so we can showcase the purest experience and find the essence of what each car is. We can't deny that there is a joy and a fantasy of solving problems, and in some cases, reverse engineering a car into something new. Unless we state otherwise, that's not really what we are after. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great video! My 2006 Audi A3 is DSG. Mine is a 2.0T but the following year it was offered with the 3.2 VR6 and haldex quattro (basically the MK5 Golf R with a better interior)
I have a 06 a3 with the vr... its a mk5 r32 in a different shell and interior. And you dont have to pay the R tax. They were offered from 06-09. The facelift ones are ultra rare. The 06-08 are still super rare. Way less of them around then the mk5 r32s even with all the years combined.
The 05-06 beetle TDIs had a dsg option. 05-06 Jetta TDIs also had a dsg option. Honestly for as new of tech as it was it's still a decent transmission 15+ years later.
The transmission 15+ years later is without a question of a doubt, a tall class of meh. Interesting to find out about the super niche options on non-performance based cars though. Thanks for watching!
Thanks Izzy! The exhaust is a Neuspeed with removable inserts, which make a world of difference. Stay tuned for a new redemption video on this same car coming VERY soon. You're gonna want to subscribe for that one. Cheers!
Being these are both NA and stock minus the exhaust and intake on the MK5, tuning doesn't do too much. Turboing these motors is a common occurrence as they are quite stout and naturally at that point it makes a big difference!
I think you are driving the cars completely differently. You drove the MKV in D… and let the computer choose. How about driving the DSG in manual and comparing to the MKIV? Even in sport mode, the DSG is amazing how it picks the proper shift points. Come over to my house - or, Wookies In The Woods in 2 weeks and take my MKV with 400whp for a ride. It’s a LOT of fun to drive! You will love it,
You think you knew how I drove the car all day from the other side of the screen? That would be Impressive if you were actually right. I drove the car in Drive, Sport, and "full Manual" throughout the day. Good news for you though, the car is getting redeemed in a future video we just filmed a couple weeks ago (the one you watched is now over a year old). Thanks for watching!
Looks like Justin comments before I saw this. It's not as doom and gloom as most enthusiasts make it out to be. There are still great ICE cars being made RIGHT NOW. Maybe we, as a collective, can work on not being as defeatist and enjoy current cars and vintage cars that we can still enjoy. Thanks for watching! -Gavin
Great video! The DSG isn't that bad! You need to use it in tiptronic mode, the paddles are clumsy when cornering, and also, it takes a few weeks for the our brain to adjust to the feel. D mode is just for cruising, it needs to be in S for fun. Suspension on the mk5 is softer , that's why it feels less raw.They should have made the R36 golf!
Sooooooo I've driven number dual clutch cars from this R32, E92 M3, F82 M4, 981 and 718 Cayman, many other Mk6 and M7 GTIs and Golf Rs, and also multiple 991 GT3s. It just.... wasn't good and made the car feel disjointed compared to the Mk4. I drove it all day in various modes and it just wasn't as concise and predictably good like the other dual clutches are. And outside of the drivetrain, the car still felt very much like MK5 Rabbit/Jetta, as opposed to how different the Mk4 R32 feels compared to other Mk4s. It wasn't a BAD car. I was just hoping for better. Hope this helps explain myself a little better. Thanks for watching! -Gavin
@@ExhibitionofSpeed interesting. I had a mk6 GTI and loved the dsg in that, and now I'm considering a r32 but haven't been able to drive one yet. Appreciate the quick response.
MK4 R32 The original R all day long! Had one wish I still had my DEEP BLUE PEARL R32 VR6 with a stage 2 VF ENGINEERING SUPER CHARGER unfortunately 😢 lost her to SUPER STORM SANDY only 24k miles on it.
Personally, I don't get the criticism of the DSG. If you want to drop a gear in a hurry, that's what the flappy paddle is for, I don't just bury the peddle in the carpet and hope for the best.
If you've driven old DSG (Mk5 era) vs the current crop of dual clutches, you'd be able to tell how antiquated the older units are to what's considered decent in 2022. Thanks for watching!
@@ExhibitionofSpeed agreed, i found that in my r32 the dsg tends to be clunky when cruising around town , but under heavy driving conditions thats where the dsg is designed to be proper under load.....i think its by design., sport mode is where its at.
Sport mode didn't do much for me in the moment, plus Haldex tunes can only really do so much compared to a better AWD setup out of the box. Higher OEM quality gets you further than most aftermarket solutions due to starting at a higher point.
I had a 2011 audi a3 with a s-tronic box and now own a mk5 r32, weirdly the mk5 dsg feels way better.. i thought itd be sluggish in comparison but its not
It's a GT car in a hatch body. Every blogger compares it to a hot hatch which it isn't. The gearbox is fine when you know how it works and makes decisions. Anyone who drives like a moron will confuse it. It drops to 6 quickly in drive to save fuel. Stick it in sport if you don't want that. Drive smoothly and the dsg is still world class. I've driven more modern dual clutches that are much worse.
HOOO HOO HOO BOY. Let's unpack this one. To be completely candid here, calling ANY Mk5 Volkswagen a GT-Car is outrageous and trying to call one that is honestly a joke.. Not even the Mk7 or Mk8 have gotten there yet (really). They may not have been going for the same demographic as people who wanted the smallest and most nimble and chuck-able hatch, but if they weren't trying to make a hot hatch, then why would they literally integrate a checkered flag into the logo of the model? I don't know what you call driving like a moron, but when I shift up or down, I would like a new gear, and I want it now, please and thank you.
It's hard not to feel backed up into a corner when the people that are tuned into this video are also die-hard fans that have such a locked in perspective (comment, after comment, after comment). We try to engage as much as we can (sometimes, YT doesn't notify us) and enjoy it much, much more when the engagement is positive (such is life sometimes). I appreciate the comment, and we strive to improve our video quality, presentation, and post-production. Hopefully we haven't lost you quite yet. But if we have, I apologize, and thank you for at least watching. -Gavin
No one arguably buys a R32 with the thought process of rear seat legroom, if it sees groceries bags or a happy dog that'll be the exent of its use, Lol.
Considering the MK5 R32 is supposed to be such a hot and enthusiast's car, it was a tall glass of meh. It was FINE trundling around, but was lackluster once you try to find a rhythm.
I wasn't vibing. Starting in April, we're kicking off our weekly content and I aim to snag the same car again and hit up a different road that may be more suitable for the car. SO STAY TUNED! -Gavin
HOW DARE YOU COMPARE A GTI TO A MKV R32? no clue what you're talking about. I have owned both the mk5 r32 and gti at the same time and they are not even close to being the same car. funny how when you where trying to talk shit about the dsg it prooved you wrong. mk4 r32 is a awsome car, but im sorry to say mk5 is such a better car. looks and drive. mk4 feels old and clunky. I feel your one sided opinion was awful.
Think we were a bit unfair to the MK5 R32? Well, we gave it the redemption that it deserves! Check it out here!
th-cam.com/video/OJXGZG4eD3c/w-d-xo.html
I am the original owner of a 2008 R32 which has 38,000 miles on it as of today. With the addition of a turbo, inter-cooler, mass flow air, peloquin differential, upgraded suspension and a APR tune, it is near perfect. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for watching! And that sounds amazing!
Amazing low mileage for a car that age.
Still have my original 2004 R32 Blue - and every time I drive it, the magic I felt in 2004 when driving away from the dealership, is still there. Unbelievable. I live in SoCal - 158k on it now - and I still have folk stop to comment on it - or give the thumbs up on the freeway - motorcyclists , car drivers, truckers. Happens 3-4 times every month. And it's a 20 year old VW ! Magical. It's still hard to get used to. Parked next to a 170k Mercedes and it is the R32 that gets the looks / questions. Heater core leaked after about 14 years and the timing chain replaced after 18 years (That was expensive - had the clutch replaced also whilst in the shop although the clutch was still ok) - New suspension of course. VW got it spot on with the R32. Plenty of cars faster or more exotic...but there is nothing I would want to replace it with. Makes even driving to the dentist a joy !!
Hands down this is the best 32 video there is on YT
Dawwww thanks!
Love them both, but the MK V is my all time favorite, amazing dream car!
Lucky for you, Mk4s will command more of a collector premium! Thanks for watching.
The MK1 Audi TT (based on a MK4 Golf Chassis) was available after 2004 with a 3.2 VR6 and was DSG only. The MK2 TT (based on a MK4 Golf chassis) was available with a manual--Basically opposite the VW offering in the US. So to answer your question, the MK1 Audi TT was the first platform in the US to receive the dual-clutch gearbox.
The MK2 TT is Based on the MK5 golf platform but modified with more aluminium and 200 pound lighter..😊
I love the mk4s, that r32 is beautiful. I'm surprised you dont have more views
Thank you James! We appreciate it and are trying to get there. Hopefully you stick around to see what else we have in store this year.
Cheers!
As an owner of one finally this video is amazing to see, I love that people share this passion, it’s been a dream car of mine for so long!
Congratulations! Glad you like your car! It's really what matters in the end.
Thanks for watching!
danmttttt niceeee !!
Don't understand why you guys are so under appreciated. I've been a fan since the Audi 4.2 V8 video (Partly because I have an Audi B7 RS4 haha). Still really enjoy all the other videos too! Keep up the good work.
Thank you so much! We truly all the kind words, and are also always trying to improve ourselves. Stay tuned for more!
I liked everything the guy in the red car said, but the guy driving the white car to say the R32 isn’t the predecessor to the R models is ridiculous, actually the R32 is still held above the R trim to most people. I’ve owned them all. Also a MK5 GTI and a MK5 R32 do not drive similar
Thanks for watching!
@YTC377, you're spot on that the GTi doesn't drive as well or close to the R32, which has 4Motion - unless the R32 shipped to USA didn't get that option. 😅
As mentioned in the comments, the MK1 Audi TT 3.2 (the MKIV R32s stable mate) came to the U.S./North America only with DSG, the New Beetle also had the option for DSG in 2004.
Also worth mentioning DSG was immediately available in the MKV Golf/GTI lineup in the U.S. in 2005. Something about the way the 2.0T in the GTI delivered its fuel, allowed VW/Audi (the TT and the A3 also had the transmission/engine combo) to fine tune that delivery to work better with the DSG. The 3.2 VR6 had a different way of fuel delivery which resulted in the slight disconnect mentioned.
Another thing about the handling; the MKIV R32 was the only Golf of its generation to go with full Independent Rear Suspension, while the Golf and GTIs were using Torsion beams, you could immediately tell the difference. For the MKV generation the GTI also went IRS, so the handling wasn't going to be much different from the MKV R32 (weight distribution and drive wheels excepted).
The MKV was available in other markets with unique seats that unfortunately did not meet U.S. safety standards, for our market they instead went with GTI seats.
Thanks for the info! Ya learn something new everyday. And thanks for watching!
As I've said before; your videos/documentaries are amazing. The quality is super and the time and effort you put into your channel should net you WAY more views and attention. Keep doing what you're doing, people (me especially) love what you do.
Thank you so much Deshi! We love hearing this from our audience and want to keep pushing to get better as creators. We have some updates coming to the channel so stick around for those in the coming weeks.
Best one to date you guys. Informational, fun, concise
Stoked to see the next one
Thanks Derek! Much appreciated 🙏
Like them both but that Mk4 R32 was one of my childhood dream cars.
It's also a better car.
Thanks for watching!
Best R32 review so far.
Hey thanks!
From one VERY content Mk4 Black r32 owner...THANK YOU 🙏🙏
Thanks for watching David!
For anyone wondering about turbo tuning:
Reputable German company HGP made turbo kits for both the 4 and 5 series R32. If you invested enough money, both 3.2l engines made 400-500hp, reliably. There were required upgrades of brakes, clutch, transmission and suspension for official German road approval (traditionally known as being picky), which made it very costy, talking about at least 20-30k moneys here, but very much worth it.
To be clear, we're talking about a good 300 km/h or 185 mph road-approved in a Golf here. There are still a few 500+ hp turbo R32 specimen that are perfectly road legal in Germany today.
There are a couple examples of boosted Mk4 R32s here locally in Utah. Would be interesting to see what those are like to drive
amazing video really one of best presentations i got from r32s really good job guys keep it up !
Thanks for watching Kole! Stick around because we have more coming this year.
I had a MK6 Golf R and it was amazing. So much more fun than my old WRX.
Those turbo motors make great power, especially for the engine size
We need to get you in that Mk4 though. Just for the experience alone.
Finally a channel that got the history right. A lot of reviews classify the Mk5 as the first DSG when in fact it was introduced in Mk4.
Kiiiiinda. We in the US never got Mk4s of any kind with DSG. Crazy to to think about how long it's been around. Thanks for watching!
The 04 and 05 Tdi PD Beetles had DSG in the US, pretty much a Mk4
That was cleared up with another comment.
Thanks for watching!
Great vid! I’m the original owner of my MK4 R32. You posted 2004-2005. The MK4 R32 was never produced in 2005 in the United States. The MK4 R32 technically has 250 hp same as the MK1 Audi TT 3.2. From what I gathered. Volkswagen marketed the MK4 R32 at 241 hp on paper, as to not to take away sales from the MK1 Audi TT 3.2.
The MK4 R32 sold out all 5,000 in just one year. Not taking anything away from the MKV R32 it didn’t sell as well, it took just about twice as long to sell. Enthusiasts such as my self weren’t keen on the DSG at the time. The rumors were going around on VWVORTEX That the MKV R32 would be equipped with the 3.6 VR6 and would be dubbed the R36.
My friends have the MKV R32 and I’ve driven them and it does NOT drive like a MKV GTI which I’ve also driven.
By the way. The MKV R32 has vw 2nd generation DSG. The MKV R32 had in ( Europe) nice seats which were Recaro’s and we never got in the States.
Thanks for watching!
I’ve driven both the Mk5 gti and r32. I seemed to have enjoyed the gti more. How about you? Which one did you like better?
I haven't driven a Mk5 GTI in probably 6 or 7 years so I honestly couldn't tell ya. By my estimates, probably pretty similar to the 6, but with more squeaks and rattles.
-Gavin
@@ExhibitionofSpeed Right… thanks Gavin! I feel the R32 to feel more heavy than the Gti but the handling of the R32 is so much better
Of course! Yes, the R32 feels heavier and more substantial (for better or worse). My best side-by-side comparo was with the R32 and my Fiesta ST. Sure the R32 sounded nice, but when I got back on my car on the same squiggly road, I immediately felt more connected and a part of the car, and could also drive quicker right away.
Mk4 didn't come with DSG. Also they didn't just bore the Mk3 2.8 VR6 engine, they increased the stroke as well. Mk5 came with DSG as an option and a slight difference in the engine build in some way(not sure what) but it changed the music from the rear end! Mk4 is ever so slightly raspy and raw! Mega review. Nice one (I'm in the UK)
The mk4 was the first car to get dsg
And the mk4 has a stronger engine , thats why there easy to boost
They got 750 prototype mk4 DSG cars in Europe.
The mk4 r32 was the first car to get the dsg box
Owner of a 2009 dsg in the uk. My opinion on some of your points. For me the mk5 is the better car im almost everyway as an all round offering. It not 'disjointed' imo but like any cars you need to figure out what its about. Really the mk5 is a gt car in a golf chassis. Its a 7/10ths car and this is where it shines. The dsg is sublime if you know how to drive it. It doesnt like nervous indecisive inputs as its guessing what you are going to do next. Its not meant for ultimate performance but delivers good performance and comfort with state of the art technology and options at the time. Back to back the mk4 may be more 'fun' but use the mk5 as an all weather daily commuter and it should all start to make sense. The only thing i can criticise is that they are some nvh in the plastics and also the macphersons strut setup doesnt feel tight enough despite the additional rigidity. Also the sport mode is very good.
Okay.... A few things here.
It's not like DSG is like BMW SMG/Ferrai F1 gearboxes where you have to learn it. I approached the car from an objective POV and the Mk5 was totally dull from my perspective. We don't post videos just to kiss ass and tell you something that we don't fundamentally agree with.
Dude, I've worked in and around a bunch of VW products from being a content creator at Integrated Engineering. I'm aware of how a DSG is supposed to drive and behave, and I was both disappointed in the experience, and also wanted to showcase how far we have come with the technology in almost 20 years.
Thanks for watching.
-Gavin
I’m looking at a mk4 r32 right now in the process of getting it in the U.S for an unreal price and mileage 1 older owner wish me luck guys haha
Best of luck!
When this video came up I was excited to finally watch an honest, well thought out review of each of these cars. That's exactly what I got for the first 13(ish) minutes. You gave a brief history of engines from the very start to the VR6 (very well done btw), a pretty good and well thought out review of the Mk4 R32 and then just mindlessly shit on the Mk5 R32 for about 24 straight minutes, not by providing ANY of the content that was included in the Mk4 R32's review, but by talking about the DSG and your obvious distain for it. This was like watching two entirely different videos that were poorly mashed together. Clearly you CAN do better. (Please reference the first 13 minutes of your video) So please, do better.
Greetings Great Kazoo. So just some thoughts here.
The "shitting" on the Mk5 R32 wasn't exactly mindless. I had driven the car for the whole day and in comparison to the Mk4, the car didn't feel like it had that much personality. The appearance of the exterior and interior were both very much in-line with a standard GTI, and the driving dynamics never really stood out to me. The attributes that the car provided me in the moment were really just the sound of the VR6, and an antiquated gearbox. While the Mk4 was a solid 7-8/10 experience, the Mk5 felt like a strong 6/10.
We enjoy making these films and I had really high hopes for this car. It just didn't live up to my preconceived thoughts on it.
Another thought as well, I don't want to sound like this an excuse, but the behind the scenes for this film were a massive shitshow and I personally let that affect me and my review once the GoPro turned on (and restarted 3 more times due to camera overheating problems). I fully admit that this is a "me problem" and not a "car problem" and take full responsibility for that part.
I appreciate your thoughts and insights into the video and I will do my absolute best to negate my attitude in the future. Hopefully we haven't lost you as a viewer quite yet and you stick around to enjoy the other exciting content we have planned to release this year.
Thanks for watching,
Gavin
Background music way too loud
agreed I was nearly wondering why they have the music most of the time!!!
Because we are incredibly uninteresting otherwise. Thankfully, we now have better-tuned ears for things like this.
Thanks for watching!
First VAG car in NA with a DSG was the 2004 MK1 TT with the VR6. It was the sister car to the 04 R32 with a manual.
Oh no! You're too late! The video is already produced!
I love how you explain this car amazing job .I hope you could get a toyota aristo jzs161 to do a video on
Oooooh THAT'D be an interesting video!
Good video. The beginning music was a bit too loud though, Was wondering if the focus was on the speaking or the music?
Y'alls voice audio overall is much better (on headphone listening there is some blow out though and more confident/consistent.
Interesting. We've listened to it on our editing rig, a television, and phones and sounded fine
Whats your setup for those killer rolling shots in front of the car?
Carbon tripod, shooting out of the trunk of a Forester/Sequoia with the hatch open, wide lens on a DSLR. Boom.
Good video. Always the red peeling the clear
The paint wasn't perfect, but the car was so great mechanically, and came with a recent service with a box full of other parts, and was sold at frankly a steal of a price. Should have easily been sold for 30-40% more. I don't slight the owner for pursuing this car in the slightest.
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I live in the uk and im lucky enough to have a mk5 R32 in a 6 speed manual.
Sounds lovely 😍
can we convert in the states?
like what do the parts cost?
United Motorsports flashes the engine, the DSG & the Haldex...perceptions & conversations may change!
Perhaps. And that is something that could be said about any kind of issue with any car.
"Oh, X Car isn't fast/efficient enough? Buy this tune/part from Y Company to solve Problem Z."
We always try to get cars on camera that are as close to original as possible, so we can showcase the purest experience and find the essence of what each car is.
We can't deny that there is a joy and a fantasy of solving problems, and in some cases, reverse engineering a car into something new. Unless we state otherwise, that's not really what we are after.
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Great video! My 2006 Audi A3 is DSG. Mine is a 2.0T but the following year it was offered with the 3.2 VR6 and haldex quattro (basically the MK5 Golf R with a better interior)
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Actually, I have a 2006MY A3 3.2 S-line, maybe it's 2006 1/2 onward?
I have a 06 a3 with the vr... its a mk5 r32 in a different shell and interior. And you dont have to pay the R tax. They were offered from 06-09. The facelift ones are ultra rare. The 06-08 are still super rare. Way less of them around then the mk5 r32s even with all the years combined.
The 05-06 beetle TDIs had a dsg option. 05-06 Jetta TDIs also had a dsg option. Honestly for as new of tech as it was it's still a decent transmission 15+ years later.
The transmission 15+ years later is without a question of a doubt, a tall class of meh. Interesting to find out about the super niche options on non-performance based cars though.
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Is there any way you guys would know the exhaust setup of the Mk5 R32? Great video, keep up the good work!
Thanks Izzy! The exhaust is a Neuspeed with removable inserts, which make a world of difference.
Stay tuned for a new redemption video on this same car coming VERY soon. You're gonna want to subscribe for that one.
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@@ExhibitionofSpeed removable inserts? What are those? Yeah, I subscribed, looking forward to the video.
Love them both
I keep watching this video. It's good. But I gotta tell ya the fenders aren't flared , they are the same as any Mark 4 Golf/gti
Love it boys. 🤩 well done.
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Nice video!
Thank you so much!
Nice. What exhaust is on the Mk5?
This one is a Neuspeed with removable inserts. Naturally, for the review we had them taken out.
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Very good video
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Just found this channel 👍👌👌👌
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Any info on the tuning of these would help out I’m sure that also makes a huge difference.
Being these are both NA and stock minus the exhaust and intake on the MK5, tuning doesn't do too much. Turboing these motors is a common occurrence as they are quite stout and naturally at that point it makes a big difference!
United motorsports is the only 3.2 tune you want.
what the exhaust setup on the MK5 ? Thanks for your help
It's a Neuspeed exhaust! It can be pretty droney but luckily it has bolt in rear silencers that quiet it down a lot for daily use! - Justin
@@ExhibitionofSpeed no aftermarket downpipe still OEM ?
Hey guys, do shorts. IT WILL BOOST YOUR CHANNEL!
Definitely looking into doing more of this in the new year!
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It's why I have a 6sp manual MK5 R32
Did you swap yours?
I think you are driving the cars completely differently. You drove the MKV in D… and let the computer choose. How about driving the DSG in manual and comparing to the MKIV? Even in sport mode, the DSG is amazing how it picks the proper shift points.
Come over to my house - or, Wookies In The Woods in 2 weeks and take my MKV with 400whp for a ride. It’s a LOT of fun to drive! You will love it,
You think you knew how I drove the car all day from the other side of the screen? That would be Impressive if you were actually right. I drove the car in Drive, Sport, and "full Manual" throughout the day.
Good news for you though, the car is getting redeemed in a future video we just filmed a couple weeks ago (the one you watched is now over a year old).
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ICE days are numbered! But good video.
Sad but true. Turbos can be fun as well but there's something nice and special about an all engine car!
-Justin
Looks like Justin comments before I saw this. It's not as doom and gloom as most enthusiasts make it out to be. There are still great ICE cars being made RIGHT NOW.
Maybe we, as a collective, can work on not being as defeatist and enjoy current cars and vintage cars that we can still enjoy.
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-Gavin
Got a jdm ep3 type had it for 9 months but im leaning towards the mk5 r32 but in manual obviously the sound alone is selling it to me
The VR6 will do that to ya!
Great video! The DSG isn't that bad! You need to use it in tiptronic mode, the paddles are clumsy when cornering, and also, it takes a few weeks for the our brain to adjust to the feel. D mode is just for cruising, it needs to be in S for fun. Suspension on the mk5 is softer , that's why it feels less raw.They should have made the R36 golf!
Sooooooo I've driven number dual clutch cars from this R32, E92 M3, F82 M4, 981 and 718 Cayman, many other Mk6 and M7 GTIs and Golf Rs, and also multiple 991 GT3s. It just.... wasn't good and made the car feel disjointed compared to the Mk4. I drove it all day in various modes and it just wasn't as concise and predictably good like the other dual clutches are. And outside of the drivetrain, the car still felt very much like MK5 Rabbit/Jetta, as opposed to how different the Mk4 R32 feels compared to other Mk4s. It wasn't a BAD car. I was just hoping for better. Hope this helps explain myself a little better.
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-Gavin
@@ExhibitionofSpeed how does this dual clutch compare to a mk6 GTI?
The MK6 DSG is leaps and bounds ahead of the MK5
@@ExhibitionofSpeed interesting. I had a mk6 GTI and loved the dsg in that, and now I'm considering a r32 but haven't been able to drive one yet. Appreciate the quick response.
All good! I 100% recommend driving one regardless, but if you're spending money for a driving experience, get yourself a MK4 R32.
Can you do the same comparison with the MK1 Audi TT 2006 3.2 and 2009 Audi TT 3.2 ?
We have a full video on the generations of Acura NSX coming. Will you watch that?
What if the MK5 had a manual transmission?
Would have made the experience less frustrating for sure.
@@ExhibitionofSpeed But how would it compare to the MK4 if the MK5 had a manual?
great video but music too loud
Thanks for the input
Mk2 vr6 tt manual 125000 miles lol 😂 and still going 😊
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I loved this vid, my wallet hated this vid, im deff buying one now if i can find a clean one
We're expensive friends to have.
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2008 with dsg much better all around car in my opinion except the face
We (Gavin) gave the MK5 a redemption. Feel free to check it out!
MK4 R32 The original R all day long! Had one wish I still had my DEEP BLUE PEARL R32 VR6 with a stage 2 VF ENGINEERING SUPER CHARGER unfortunately 😢 lost her to SUPER STORM SANDY only 24k miles on it.
Fs in the chat for the fallen lad. How did your insurance assess the damage/loss?
@@ExhibitionofSpeed let's leave it to they SCREWED me good! How I wish I still had mine.
So sorry to hear that 😞
I'd take the mk4 manual over the mk5. Id rather the 8p A3 vr6 with the DSG if i went auto. Or get the mk2 TT VR6 manual
Finally! Someone with some sense has entered the chat!
Personally, I don't get the criticism of the DSG. If you want to drop a gear in a hurry, that's what the flappy paddle is for, I don't just bury the peddle in the carpet and hope for the best.
If you've driven old DSG (Mk5 era) vs the current crop of dual clutches, you'd be able to tell how antiquated the older units are to what's considered decent in 2022.
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this dude doesnt realize that in the mk5 it isnt the gearbox....ITS THE SOFTWARE....
CAN REMAP THE HALDEX AND DSG YOUR GOOD TO GO...
Yea well it didn't have that. It's also refreshing to see how far we've come in 15 years of technological advancement.
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@@ExhibitionofSpeed agreed, i found that in my r32 the dsg tends to be clunky when cruising around town , but under heavy driving conditions thats where the dsg is designed to be proper under load.....i think its by design., sport mode is where its at.
Sport mode didn't do much for me in the moment, plus Haldex tunes can only really do so much compared to a better AWD setup out of the box. Higher OEM quality gets you further than most aftermarket solutions due to starting at a higher point.
I had a 2011 audi a3 with a s-tronic box and now own a mk5 r32, weirdly the mk5 dsg feels way better.. i thought itd be sluggish in comparison but its not
It's a GT car in a hatch body. Every blogger compares it to a hot hatch which it isn't. The gearbox is fine when you know how it works and makes decisions. Anyone who drives like a moron will confuse it. It drops to 6 quickly in drive to save fuel. Stick it in sport if you don't want that. Drive smoothly and the dsg is still world class. I've driven more modern dual clutches that are much worse.
HOOO HOO HOO BOY. Let's unpack this one.
To be completely candid here, calling ANY Mk5 Volkswagen a GT-Car is outrageous and trying to call one that is honestly a joke.. Not even the Mk7 or Mk8 have gotten there yet (really).
They may not have been going for the same demographic as people who wanted the smallest and most nimble and chuck-able hatch, but if they weren't trying to make a hot hatch, then why would they literally integrate a checkered flag into the logo of the model?
I don't know what you call driving like a moron, but when I shift up or down, I would like a new gear, and I want it now, please and thank you.
I love both of I had the cash I would bye both and hook them up ....💪👍😎
Hook them up?
Newer clutch is more refined. Unheard of.
Was about to subscribe until I scrolled through the comments and saw the attitude in some of the responses regarding the DSG :( Good video nonetheless
It's hard not to feel backed up into a corner when the people that are tuned into this video are also die-hard fans that have such a locked in perspective (comment, after comment, after comment).
We try to engage as much as we can (sometimes, YT doesn't notify us) and enjoy it much, much more when the engagement is positive (such is life sometimes).
I appreciate the comment, and we strive to improve our video quality, presentation, and post-production. Hopefully we haven't lost you quite yet. But if we have, I apologize, and thank you for at least watching.
-Gavin
@@ExhibitionofSpeed Fine I subscribed but no more snappy comments! Keep up the good work I know a lot of effort went into this video.
ditch the music. catch more sound of the cars
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No one arguably buys a R32 with the thought process of rear seat legroom, if it sees groceries bags or a happy dog that'll be the exent of its use, Lol.
You're watching a car review?
My wife’s mom had some year of VW new beetle that had a DSG. It was not good and wanted to kill itself.
Considering the MK5 R32 is supposed to be such a hot and enthusiast's car, it was a tall glass of meh. It was FINE trundling around, but was lackluster once you try to find a rhythm.
06 gli and gti were dsg
Idk what flared arches he’s talking about lol
My guy is picking Holes in the DSG 🤦🏼♂️
Darn tootin!
Damn he kinda ripped the MKV R32 and that sucks...
I wasn't vibing. Starting in April, we're kicking off our weekly content and I aim to snag the same car again and hit up a different road that may be more suitable for the car. SO STAY TUNED!
-Gavin
Good video apart from the crap music all the way through it !! Why ????
Interesting take lmao
MKV in manual 👌
We didn't get them here.
HOW DARE YOU COMPARE A GTI TO A MKV R32? no clue what you're talking about. I have owned both the mk5 r32 and gti at the same time and they are not even close to being the same car. funny how when you where trying to talk shit about the dsg it prooved you wrong. mk4 r32 is a awsome car, but im sorry to say mk5 is such a better car. looks and drive. mk4 feels old and clunky. I feel your one sided opinion was awful.
LOL okay go make a better video then. Thanks for watching.
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@@ExhibitionofSpeed this proves how much of a tool you are. Can't take the truth? Stop making videos you panzy.
We actually are going to make more videos than ever this year. Hope you're okay with that. 😉
I have one for sale ,if any one is interested to buy or looking for one with 50k miles
That's low-miles by comparison!
Nice audi tt,🫢
BUT are cats tasty?
Their slow unless turboed
Do you think speed is the only attribute a car can have?
Also, not really true.
I love the sound of them. I driven a few of them. But try the turbo one is well more exciting @@ExhibitionofSpeed
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That is certainly an opinion.
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